outlaw

[keen belfry]

focus up

[dawn talon]

intermittent fasting is the new parsing technique

zone into the raid after eating nothing for ~24 hours -> boss dies

tap in

[vivid vessel]

Ye that looks like a chèvre miel but bad

[keen belfry]

its better

[vivid vessel]

No

Nice try tho

[keen belfry]

im american, your pizza looks not greasy enough

[empty patrol]

how does no sauce work though

actually interested

[keen belfry]

grease and hot honey

[lethal oak]

[random stirrup]

IF kinda goated

[dawn talon]

i can't eat pizza outside of jersey bro

let alone outside the US

[empty patrol]

hmm ill try making one,cool stuff

[dawn talon]

i missed pizza so bad living in korea again it was the first thing i did coming back to the US

[lethal oak]

I can only eat pizza if it comes with a baguette

[keen belfry]

This is the za

Crust needs work but it’s still a 9/10

[cinder haven]

Oh no, they put onions on it

[keen belfry]

pickled red onions

[buoyant cosmos]

next zac is gonna say french burritos are better too

[keen belfry]

actual not red

[buoyant cosmos]

sounds good

[dawn talon]

pickled banana peppers > pickled onions

[keen belfry]

is so good

[dawn talon]

but pickled onions on pizza are good

[keen belfry]

mmmm

im getting this pizza today

ty chat

[cinder haven]

Put on after it’s done I assume?

[keen belfry]

id assume yeah, they aint burnt

[buoyant cosmos]

Even w/ broadside I shouldn't be using BF to generate at <4 targets right?

[buoyant cosmos]

probably the last minute or so to get them warm

[cinder haven]

Ok, I’ll allow it

[keen belfry]

i dont even notice theres no sauce

its that good

[daring oxide]

@keen belfry when is the race

[keen belfry]

no clue!

i have to win the race twice???

[cinder haven]

I made back ribs with green salad and garlic bread

[buoyant cosmos]

two to make it true

[quaint delta]

looks like there's a little bit of sauce in that pizza?

[worldly shale]

bro i love that pickled onion sauce thing

sweet kinda

its bomb

[buoyant cosmos]

My friend was in a key w/ nessa last night, said they all trolled but still timed lol

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix

looking average today

[quaint delta]

huh

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[cinder haven]

Did you reset?

[keen belfry]

i love lfg relationships

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble we need 50 outlaw logs within a 2 week period for dimensius to be included in the all bosses stats

Might be hard

[dawn talon]

i got yelled at by my girlfriend the other day bc someone in lfg said 'omg ily oswalb'

and she wanted to know who it was

[vivid vessel]

Multiple kills count tho

So within 2 weeks it means 25 outlaws killing the boss each week

[dawn talon]

gl w that bro

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw buffs might take longer than expected..

[dawn talon]

i can't even name 25 outlaw players in hof guilds

[vivid vessel]

Ye

It's a bit unfair

Outlaw will legit not have dimensius counter in all bosses fights

For like

1 month onward

And its the worse outlaw boss

Idk

[random stirrup]

Will it even have that later in the tier

[vivid vessel]

And blizzard just open all bosses stats to tune

[dawn talon]

maybe blizzard's internal tools arre better...

[vivid vessel]

Cause they are clueless

[vivid vessel]

Considering recent tuning

They just open wcl

It's pretty clear I'm ngl

[dawn talon]

let me cope dude

[random stirrup]

well i don’t think 50 kills is necessarily a bad thing

[vivid vessel]

Anyone arguing the opposite is fucking clueless

[random stirrup]

It is for statistical power

[dawn talon]

surely someone is going to look at it and go 'man why is nobody killing this boss on outlaw'

at some point

[random stirrup]

but maybe if a spec is not even killing 50 times it means something too

[dawn talon]

ANYBODY

like

[dawn talon]

it's impossible not to right

[spare dome]

blizzard know something we dont

[dawn talon]

u could be getting paid to twiddle ur thumbs

[spare dome]

rogue dev invented new rotation which puts us at the top

[indigo token]

if they buff outlaw, they unleash the demon pazuzu

[spare dome]

and we are yet to discover it

[dawn talon]

and notice this is the ultra outlaw torture boss of doom

[indigo token]

:kekshook:

[spare dome]

solo get to work

[torpid heath]

even if they buff us we'll be bad on that boss

[vivid vessel]

I stand by my words

[slate forge]

I agree I was clowning on the og poster

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Same

[random stirrup]

All percentiles wcl has been a very strong predictor for tuning for like all expac no?

[vivid vessel]

Yep

It's how they tune basically every time there is a tuning pass

You see the top 3/4 bottom spec get some random aura buff

And it's most often flawed

[spare dome]

werent we bottom 4?

or even 3

[vivid vessel]

Nope

Cause we don't have enough data on last 2

And we are padding on 2 boss + one boss is AOE

[spare dome]

oh i meant boss dmg

[vivid vessel]

The padding thing will slowly go away tho

Ye we are dead last on boss damage

[slate forge]

Also the they don’t balance around wowhead article bs when boomy is in the title of the article is better then outlaw in every metric but gets buffed they don’t even buff on the article anymore just the title

[vivid vessel]

But blizzard does not look at that

Very evidently

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

The good news is that if trends continue outlaw will be buffed soon

[spare dome]

surely

[random stirrup]

Falling fast on the all percentiles data

[spare dome]

isnt this the last season of the expansion?

[random stirrup]

All 3 rogue specs are kind of plummeting

[torpid heath]

we need outlaw parse on dimmy

[vivid vessel]

Will be funny when sub and assa get buffed before outlaw

[slate forge]

Or we just use bad builds for a few weeks like bm hunter I hear KIR HO with no fth is really good

[random stirrup]

yep

The sins of 1fth pc

[spare dome]

pc needs to go

it ruined everything

[vivid vessel]

I said it

Last tier

I literally said we will be tuned like shit cause of pc

[thorn river]

pc ?

[random stirrup]

Boomie buffs are insane btw

[vivid vessel]

I expected outlaw to be better on the pc bosses tho

Was overselling outlaw

Unfortunate

[vapid blaze]

idk on araz its not suprising

they arent alive long enough

[vivid vessel]

Yes but again

Looked crazy on ptr

Cause people on ptr

Don't do anything

With their cds

[vapid blaze]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

And outlaw blast everything

Happens litteraly every ptr cycle

[vapid blaze]

soulhunters is also not very friendly to having no cooldowns with 100% uptime

[vivid vessel]

So cringe

[slate forge]

Other specs had to learn the changes on Ptr we never get any changes so we smash them on meters

[vapid blaze]

that they didnt buff outlaw was kinda wild tho

[spare dome]

Do you know if we have pseudo rng on SS?

which increases chance of proccing every time we dont proc?

[dawn talon]

there's no bad luck protection no

idk why

[slate forge]

Devs do the tuning we don’t have a dev how hard to understand??????

[spare dome]

that'd be nice tho

[dawn talon]

arcane has it

and so does destro (but it's a lot less relevant for mayhem)

[vapid blaze]

well putting a 5% aura buff doesnt require a dev

xD

[slate forge]

Who’s going to suggest it????? They won’t know it’s bad without a wowhead article xD

[junior coral]

One of yall just gotta get a kill on dimmy… get it done

[cinder mica]

Guys listen.. I am reading this discord and you scare the shit out of me. i was hyped to play Outlaw as playing sub is draining the literal lifeforce out of me and Assa in pugs is pain. Are you dooming outlaw or is it really as bad as you make it out to be.

[spare dome]

as long as you have fun

[indigo token]

uh

[spare dome]

thats what matters

[cinder haven]

It’s still fun

[indigo token]

outlaw is really fun

[slate forge]

It’s fun spec

[indigo token]

but its ass damage

you can do keys

but its gonna feel rough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[cinder mica]

yeah.. saw that meme and many others here. IF the spec wasn't fun I wouldn' care. it is just so engaging over the others. but if I want to play queue simiulator I could play WW

[lethal oak]

Its fun if you natty 5 roll on the opener

[vapid blaze]

they look at wlogs?

[red zinc]

outlaw is good on overall wlogs

no work needed

[vivid vessel]

It's the worse outlaw raid tier we have had since I started the game in SL

This can't be contested, no one can argue the opposite

It's the worse damage profile outlaw ever had since I started the game in SL

No one can argue that either

[dawn talon]

keys are alright but like u could not make me raid on outlaw rn if u paid me to do it

[slate forge]

Then why did boomy get buffed over outlaw we did less overall and less single target??????

[red zinc]

huh

[vivid vessel]

Its worse than s1 outlaw in m+

[red zinc]

boomie was dogshit

just cause outlaw is bad doesnt mean other classes cant be too

[slate forge]

That wasn’t the point

[cinder mica]

welp that kind of answers my questions. Thanks^^

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

its always funny

[red zinc]

your point was bad anyway, boomie might've honestly been worse than outlaw cause it literally didnt have any even average point

[vivid vessel]

One could argue if delusional and wrong, but in s1 people didn't know phys comps existed so people were natty raw dogging outlaw and obviously it was shit, nowaways people don't even bother playing outlaw in normal comps so it looks slightly better in that sense

[random stirrup]

Boomie is suspiciously good now for only a 5% aura is all I will say

[slate forge]

My point is both clearly should have gotten buffed. It boomy was in the title of the article not that boomy shouldn’t have gotten buffed lmao

[vivid vessel]

Boomie is better on the last 2 than outlaw so idk about that

[random stirrup]

Can’t believe a 5% aura took them from around dead last to having top 10 all specs world fractillus parses

Hmmmm

[vivid vessel]

They optimized the apl

[slate forge]

Classic boomy sandbag

[red zinc]

I mean pure ST in middle is pretty close honestly

5% buff would get you from middle to top 3

cleave / burst whole diffy story

no clue if boomie still has decent variance with the goldrinss stuff

[languid coral]

Is it true we are bugged to fuck my friend told me they fixing some shit but i didnt even know we were bugged in the first place i thought we were just bad

[real flax]

Hey Zac, i've been watching your video on your twitch , the HOA one.. i've got question what do you do when the key start after pressing RTB to get the reduce cooldown, i noticed you have the energy going down but how do you do that /

[vivid vessel]

We aren't really bugged

One of the least bugged outlaw has been in like

Forever

[red zinc]

the more bugs the more meta

[slate forge]

Assa bugged were just shit

[vivid vessel]

!snd

!sndbug

[ornate heath]

There is once again a bug that lets you spam Slice and Dice during downtime for CDR. It works by causing SnD to refund CPs as if it benefits from Supercharger.

To activate the bug have to consume Supercharger once normally with RTB > finisher, and then SnD will bug out until your next damaging finisher, so you can spam a cancelaura macro while it is bugged. From 1CP, SnD will have an 80% chance to refund CPs so you can't spam it forever. To activate it between pulls, you have to delay RTB until towards the end of the pack. This can mean that trying to activate the bug can cost you more dps than it's worth.

The bug is not a secret to 11 million overalls, it can mostly just help you get AR back through periods of forced downtime.

/cast Slice and Dice```

[real flax]

ohhhh i see

thanks a lot

[vivid vessel]

[real flax]

love you bro

[vivid vessel]

Ty cuh

I'm actually so excited to go back to doing keys again

Like a little kid before Christmas

No capo

[spare dome]

yea, show them that we dont need buffs 💪

[gaunt phoenix]

love you bro

[red zinc]

im praying on you depleteing every key

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf

[vivid vessel]

Ok bro

[gaunt phoenix]

no capo depleto

[vivid vessel]

I mean

Impossible to deplete

With the guys I play with

Everyone is on crack perma

[cinder haven]

How are we gonna get buffs then Zac

Take one for the team

[vivid vessel]

I will be last dps

[spare dome]

thats a given

[vivid vessel]

Maybe I don't public log keys anymore

[spare dome]

but you will still time keys

[vivid vessel]

Ye well

You. Can time key with any comp

[red zinc]

why not

[vivid vessel]

Because

[spare dome]

you can

i cant

[vivid vessel]

I'm essentially the only guy logging high keys timmy

When you look at high keys data

It's cringe

Cause it's just me

[red zinc]

i get what you're insinuating

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[red zinc]

my blizzard expectations are not that low

like theyre very low

[vivid vessel]

Like all the good players

[red zinc]

but they are not tuning on archon leaderboards man

[vivid vessel]

Aren't logging

[red zinc]

theres no way

[indigo token]

i have no faith in blizzard

[vivid vessel]

You never see a casualaddict log

Or Kira group log

[obsidian walrus]

/wa

[vivid vessel]

Or sjele group log

[obsidian walrus]

!wa

[vivid vessel]

All the people that do damage

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vivid vessel]

Aren't logging

[red zinc]

If I ever find a serious correlation between archon rankings and blizzard balancing

i will fully quit

[vivid vessel]

It's community perception Timmy

Community perception is important

[cinder haven]

I’m sure they do log, but priv?

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[cedar kernel]

i logged

but i hide myself in rank

stealthed

its been 2 hrs

i havent get into any halls key

or it just 5 mins key

[red zinc]

idk honestly im like

so zoned out of this m+ season

i really only care about the negative design choices more than balancing state

fatebounds entire existence is just ridiculous

[vivid vessel]

Ks rng targeting

[red zinc]

zac lowkey do you think that if they didnt touch anything at all we would've been good

[cedar kernel]

should i sleep

[red zinc]

yes go sleepgy

[vivid vessel]

Bro

Of course lol

Well I guess we would be bad still

Idk how that happened tho

[red zinc]

tier set being meh compared to some goated shit on other classes

[vivid vessel]

Like if you ignore the fact they nerfed trickster by 10 % with trh ks change

[frank finch]

when they nerfed us going into s3

thats when

[slate forge]

New ks is so slow

[vivid vessel]

Ye idk

[dawn talon]

we'd be bad(good) instead of bad(despair)

[vivid vessel]

Idk how we lost so much going to S3 honestly

[frank finch]

double ks kd was a 10% dps loss wasnt it?

[vivid vessel]

We would have a way better damage profile tho

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

Yes but then we got a 20% aura buff kekw

And more stuffs

The bf nerf hurts tho

10% less AOE

[frank finch]

yea so if we didnt get doubled

we would be were we should be rn

[vivid vessel]

We still would be shit

Well no

[slate forge]

Still rng

Targeting

[frank finch]

a 10 % buff would go hard atm

idk

[red zinc]

ye no shit

[frank finch]

the profile would still suckj

but we would do dmg

[red zinc]

as bad as outlaw is you would go to like top 3 st on fractillus with 10%

[vivid vessel]

Well in this scenario you would have the 20% aura or not

Cause like

[vapid blaze]

the bf nerfs were so out of touch

[vivid vessel]

If you just take S2 outlaw in S3

For some reason

We lose

20% damage or so

[slate forge]

Solo wrote the patch notes already for them they just won’t do it

[vivid vessel]

Between 2 season

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk how we needed 48 buffs on ptr to do the same dmg

[vivid vessel]

So idk what happened really

[gaunt phoenix]

weird game

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel outlaw actually lost damage this week

on logs

[vivid vessel]

Well ye

The more you go

The more it will look likehc

[red zinc]

went from 4.95m to 4.87m fractillus

[vivid vessel]

Check hc logs

You will see

What I mean

Pad will start to evaporate

And we will kill the latest bosses

[craggy quiver]

Zac getting too old to play otl

[red zinc]

its just fractilus

what are they padding

air?

[vivid vessel]

You mean average on fract

Or just you

[red zinc]

average

[vivid vessel]

I also did less damage but idk rng

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[red zinc]

more gear less damage

love to see it

[vivid vessel]

Really ?

Like the average went down?

[slate forge]

And the raid buff thing is big no?

[red zinc]

i mean its pretty nitpicky

[vivid vessel]

How do you see that actually

[red zinc]

high percentile 1 day window

vs 2 week window

[random stirrup]

ppl attempting the fatebound cooks perhaps

And failing

[vivid vessel]

Or fatebound not working

Cause like

[random stirrup]

LD soh misplay

[vivid vessel]

This mystery

Has still not been resolved

Kekw

[red zinc]

like

im just lookin at this

[hasty warren]

fb

[red zinc]

got worse

[vivid vessel]

Ye but 1 day data

[gaunt phoenix]

cause fatebound tech and sleight is a lie to drag average down

[vivid vessel]

Maybe do 1 week vs 2 week idk

[red zinc]

(1 log variance pogmann)

[vapid blaze]

its sandbag to get us buffed

[slate forge]

Pog

[vivid vessel]

I mean don't people have 4% raid buff also this week

And the enchant thing

[red zinc]

1%

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

And like 10 more I'll

Wdym 1 %

[red zinc]

they brought the enchant buff back to earth

not 125% anymore

[vivid vessel]

No I mean

[red zinc]

it was 1.3% for assa or something idk what outlaw got going on

[vivid vessel]

The raid buff

[gaunt phoenix]

But the other renown buff is 4% ya

[worldly shale]

Hes talking about the flat 4% buff

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[gaunt phoenix]

ya ye

yo

[red zinc]

huh

what buff is that idek

the behind enemy lines is 3%

[gaunt phoenix]

like undermine?

[vivid vessel]

Renown noob

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

[red zinc]

and that aint this week afaik

i know my raid buff shit man i need to be studied up on this

my heroic raiders need all the damage they can get

losing to soul hunters dps check

[dawn talon]

huh?

like on heroic?

[red zinc]

yes

[dawn talon]

i didn't know that was possible honestly

godspeed to you man

[red zinc]

the group aint all that tryhard so

is what it is

we have fun

[hasty warren]

there's a dps check ? lol

[vivid vessel]

Ye

There is a soft enrage

That is pretty hard

All 3 bosses go in intermission

So you have to soak orbs, dodge the lines and dodge frontsl

So you ded

[red zinc]

ye you dont survive that

maybe they did on mythic for a tiny bit but aint happening with uncoordinated goober gang

[buoyant cosmos]

We are so back

[tight egret]

Feels good to be wanted

[dawn talon]

i saw this group in lfg lol

almost logged into my rogue

almost.

[buoyant cosmos]

Was blasting this 15 Ara, tank panics after second boss because we skipped trash and wipes us 🙁

[quaint sable]

p sure that guys on my friendslist

[safe pasture]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[cedar kernel]

thats uh cringe

[quaint sable]

Ye it is him. Great guy loves playing with outlaws 😄

[cedar kernel]

[frail veldt]

I'm in a physical comp community hahaha it's kinda nice

[cedar kernel]

i love him

[frail veldt]

Bunch of brews and fury wars

[cedar kernel]

he must be a good man

my tank help me to find my issue there and he would like to play with me

goood

we need to find a warrior in our team rn

we only got Brew and outlaw there

the last warrior got banned in game so he left

our feral go for work so we dont have chance to see him

2 healer thought us noob and left

[craggy barn]

L

[frank bane]

Luckily my DK friend is swapping to warrior the phys comp dream is real. My tank is brew and my healer is Rsham. Now I have to find a feral.

[frail veldt]

I'm still yet to see a fury do insane dam though. Invited one to a 15 who had all 99 raid parses and still only did like 8.5 overall

Even in the huge pulls like first pull of eco he did only like 10 mil

Are they more capped than us?

[frail veldt]

I think a hunter is better honestly

3 melee makes life hard

Like first boss dawn breaker

With 3 melee?

Fuck that

[frank bane]

True dat. Also yes, Fury is hard capped at 5.

[frail veldt]

Is it actually actually

Or is it fake capped

Like only some of their abilities

It's so hard to know what to believe

Lol

[proper veldt]

bro's rage baiting cuh

[buoyant cosmos]

P sure it's a hard cap

[proper veldt]

its not

lmao

[buoyant cosmos]

They just blast those 5

[frail veldt]

See they will say "hard capped" but they still hit more than 5 targets

And I'm like

That's not what that means

Like how ww will call themselves hard capped

[proper veldt]

stop yapping

everything is reduced beyond 5

[frail veldt]

LOOOOL

[covert kestrel]

mewo did you see we lost somnius

[frail veldt]

Bro that's soft capped

[proper veldt]

and their best 2 aoe abilities

are soft capped at 8

the two top damage done in m+

is soft capped at 8

rest soft capped at 5

[frail veldt]

OH WHAT

[proper veldt]

actual yap

[covert kestrel]

perma'd

[frail veldt]

Did he goon too hard

What happened

[red zinc]

jokes about yesterday events

[frail veldt]

Anyone got screenshots

[frail veldt]

Oh that's dumb

Cmon somn

[red zinc]

i mean not even jokes afaik

[frail veldt]

You should know better than to comment at all on that in a public disc

[red zinc]

he got insta'd and someone said it was like hataro who made hateful comments about the other shooting before the elections so

[proper veldt]

somnius is gone wtf !?

[red zinc]

probably something very negative

[frail veldt]

Yikes

Reap the storm is their top aoe dam and it's soft capped at 8

[covert kestrel]

i talked to him about it and he said it was a joke, one of his "awang the type of guy" bits

[frail veldt]

How do they seriously say hard capped

[covert kestrel]

but i wasnt there at the time

[frail veldt]

Wild

[manic light]

was the disc nerf this patch or next?

[frail veldt]

0.5

Which we aren't at yet

[proper veldt]

and raging blows is uncapped iirc

their second highest damage

xd

[frail veldt]

Soft capped

It saysb

Reduced beyond 8

[proper veldt]

ah anyway softcap reduced beyond 8

and these warriors out here yapping

holy

[frank bane]

Good to know what now

[hasty warren]

is this damage repartition is good ?

for ST FB

[frail veldt]

That's why I asked haha they always be lying

[brisk canopy]

The relevant part of whirlwind is hard capped

[frail veldt]

What portion of their DPS is that

[brisk canopy]

All the raging blow and rampage comes from that

[frail veldt]

Cuz reaping is always top

When I see them in my groups

[keen belfry]

i have ppl that tell me they are target capped

cuz they are reduced after x

[frail veldt]

Sounds like they're soft capped

Like a shadow priest saying they're capped just cuz shadow crash only hits 8 targets lol

[keen belfry]

arent there like, 2 spells in teh game not soft capped

[royal stump]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
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[keen belfry]

my guild fire mage told me fire mage was target capped

[frail veldt]

Loooooooooooooool

[keen belfry]

by my defintion soft cap isnt even a thing

thats just how wow works

you are either target capped aka your ability doesn hit all mobs in a pull, or youre uncapped

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[frail veldt]

People like to confuse the two

And think soft capped is "capped"

Cuz they don't even realize that outlaw exists

[keen belfry]

thats why i refute its existence

[frail veldt]

Or if a spec has ONE ABILITY that's hard capped

[keen belfry]

people dont know hard caps exist

[frail veldt]

They will call the whole spec hard capped

[keen belfry]

well yeah, even before like in DF fury warriors said they were target capped

[frail veldt]

Outlaws over here literally having to use an adventure track weapon to get any amount of scaling aoe

[keen belfry]

but then their biggest aoe dmg was uncapped xd

[frail veldt]

Like holy shit stfu

[spare dome]

thoughts on chain pulling when 1 mob is 5% hp

[keen belfry]

kill the tank

[spare dome]

yea thats what i thought

[keen belfry]

either go earlier or wait 3 seconds, thanks

[vivid vessel]

30% of their damage is 8 target SOFT capped ..

[frail veldt]

Yeah we went through it haha

[vivid vessel]

People are so fucking clueless when it comes to cap

It makes me mad

[keen belfry]

yeah and so then byu my definiton, this spec is not capped

[frail veldt]

Yes same

[vivid vessel]

It's not capped at all

[keen belfry]

wanna know what spec is actually hard capped

[frail veldt]

It's soft capped like every other spec

[vivid vessel]

And these mfs Perma complain about cap

[keen belfry]

arcane mage

[vivid vessel]

Imagine us

[keen belfry]

actually

[frail veldt]

What

[keen belfry]

arcane mage can get like 15% uncapped dmg

[frail veldt]

Touch isn't capped

[keen belfry]

and your phoenix casts surge/metoeor/flamestrike

[frail veldt]

And magis spark

[keen belfry]

this version of arcane is probs the most uncapped its been

[frail veldt]

Not capped

[keen belfry]

spark doesnt exist rn

[frail veldt]

Arcane is still uncapped

Compared to outlaw

[keen belfry]

its close

but yeah

last season i did a sim where if you went from 5 targets to 10 as arcane, you gained like 12% dmg

thats pretty capped

[frail veldt]

Still uncapped lol

Capped means ZERO damage gained

[keen belfry]

yeah outlaw from 8-10 was 0 gained

[frail veldt]

Past a certain mob count

Exactly

[keen belfry]

basically 0 gained

[strong halo]

Did the clash of titants ever happen

[keen belfry]

but im not a strict as you are mewo

[strong halo]

between AWANG and Nessa?

[keen belfry]

like fury warrior was target capped last season

they had abilities that did uncapped mg

but they did 0 dmg

so to me, they are capped

[vivid vessel]

Ok but half the seasons they aren't hard capped like us

[keen belfry]

i agree

[vivid vessel]

So like

[keen belfry]

i fully agree cuh

[vivid vessel]

Ye every few season they get fucked over

[frail veldt]

I refuse to sympathize

[keen belfry]

im just using them as an example

[vivid vessel]

Andend up hard capped af 5

[frail veldt]

Unless you gain 0 damage

[vivid vessel]

But like

[frail veldt]

Past a certain count

[vivid vessel]

Most often they aren't

[keen belfry]

if your dmg goes up by like 5% in uncapped aoe, you are still kinda capped

[frail veldt]

You're just soft capped shittily

[keen belfry]

too many words

capped

[frail veldt]

Theres hard capped, soft capped, and uncapped

[keen belfry]

nono

[frail veldt]

Outlaw is the Only hard capped spec

[keen belfry]

theres capped and uncapped

[frail veldt]

No

[keen belfry]

mhm

[frail veldt]

Nothing is uncapped so that's useless

[keen belfry]

you sound like my fire mage guildee now meow

[frail veldt]

It's true...

Past 20

[keen belfry]

most every spec is uncapped in the context of wow and the pulls you do

idk abnout soft cap

idc

[vivid vessel]

Soft cap at 5 is poopy tho

But like soft cap at 8

[frail veldt]

No

Lol

[vivid vessel]

You aren't allowed to complain bitch

[frail veldt]

Uncapped means HAS NO CAP

[keen belfry]

enhance was soft capped at 5, and they owned a whole season

[frail veldt]

Soft cap is fine

We love soft cap

[keen belfry]

who has the semantics screenshot

cause yes mewo by definiton u are right

but not in real life

i simplify it as:

first pull gambit has what, 16 mobs? if you are hitting every mob in that pull you are uncapped

idk if its reduced dmg

idc*

[covert kestrel]

somnius would've loved this semantical mewo argument

[strong halo]

this discord is run by assas rogues it aint our home

[covert kestrel]

zac for purple

[vivid vessel]

Tempest wasn't tho

[keen belfry]

yes it was

[covert kestrel]

we demand outlaw representation on the shadows

[vivid vessel]

Nah not in s1 ?

[dawn talon]

tempest was doing 30% past 5

[keen belfry]

it wasnt soft capped at start in season

it was quickly changed no?

[dawn talon]

^

[vivid vessel]

I don't think so idk

[keen belfry]

like, pre m+ even

m0 week nerf

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[wintry solar]

On it

[frail veldt]

So all specs are uncapped

Except outlaw

[keen belfry]

yes

bascially

[frail veldt]

Rofl

[strong halo]

I mean i think its wild zac doesnt have community figure tag and we get accused of culting around him but like i ask a question in assas and i get "just do what Whyspir does"

[keen belfry]

soft capping confuses ppl

people tell me they are capped and they mean soft capped

so i tell them stfu

[dawn talon]

having uncapped damage and excelling at uncapped damage are two different things

[keen belfry]

agreed which was kinda my point with arcane

[dawn talon]

like arcane past ~8t is kinda eh scaling

like, actually pretty bad scaling

[keen belfry]

its 5

[west ridge]

i mean he used to

[dawn talon]

yea

barrage is 5

[keen belfry]

missles 5

[strong halo]

What happened?

[dawn talon]

but ur doing so much at 5 that u are still carrying pulls until ~8

[keen belfry]

agreed

[west ridge]

idk ask him @vivid vessel

[wintry solar]

We lost acro

[keen belfry]

i like to think arcane is pretty capped, but i also understand the argument they arent

[vivid vessel]

Nothing happened

[wintry solar]

And he flipped out

[vivid vessel]

I just crash out whenever outlaw get fucked over

One too many crash out

[covert kestrel]

he cared out*

[vivid vessel]

They need politically correct people

[dawn talon]

but like first pull gambit

[vivid vessel]

That suck off devs

[keen belfry]

zac is a non official community figure

[dawn talon]

i could actually have my spells not hitting anything besides the goliath

and have the same contribution to the key

lol

[covert kestrel]

that unironically are excited about player housing

[vivid vessel]

You are freer as a non community figure dw about it

[keen belfry]

this arcane is weird, cause you actually kinda do aoe now

phoenix, and soul window

[dawn talon]

yea

[keen belfry]

if the mage is good he can keep up in overall

[dawn talon]

if arlo casts surge

more than once

[keen belfry]

yeah

[dawn talon]

u are owning

the variance is rly depressing sometimes tho

[keen belfry]

i hit 29 mil in psf paladin pull, late into pull

[dawn talon]

idk i can't keep up with good fdk players

[keen belfry]

no one can

but somehow

frost dk players suck

??

[dawn talon]

at least it's not a me issue lol

[keen belfry]

isnt taht spec turbo piss mode

[dawn talon]

yea it's actually baby mode

even compared to old iterations of fdk

[keen belfry]

how are people bad at frost i dont udnerstand

[inland cairn]

probably because most of them arent actually dk players

[dawn talon]

ok but

u have mage and dh rerollers

doing damage

they just die to nothing

[keen belfry]

do you need to be one to be a good dk

which is my point

[dawn talon]

i saw a dk in

[inland cairn]

dunno

never played it

[dawn talon]

a 17

[shy pecan]

Are we meta yet?

[dawn talon]

try to ams phys damage

like 5 times in one key

[untold yarrow]

im on my tank, guess we chainpulling every pack 🕶️

[dawn talon]

and say 'why doesnt my ams work'

[buoyant cosmos]

"just play outlaw?"

stop inting the group

[west ridge]

suck on THIS

[covert kestrel]

[red zinc]

is that an assa or an outlaw

[untold yarrow]

assa

[red zinc]

i mean for both tell him to get good honestly

[buoyant cosmos]

I feel like it's assa for sure

[red zinc]

but especially assa

[buoyant cosmos]

sub would just deal with it

[dawn talon]

i haven't had my key roll into a priory all week i just want my resil 15s bro

[buoyant cosmos]

In NA at least, priory groups tend to grab an outlaw

since we're made for that place

[dawn talon]

im playing my mage this tier

[buoyant cosmos]

after t he first pull

Ahhh

🙁

[inland cairn]

i dunno about that

lol

[dawn talon]

mage is hilarious bc i get insta invited on arcane almost always

and then i try to do my vault keys on fire

at 3300 io

and cannot get invited to anything

[strong halo]

same

[keen belfry]

my mag ekeeps getting invited

they know im real mage?

[strong halo]

i wish we had lust

[dawn talon]

apply to +10 ecodome in fire spec

i promise u will be declined

[strong halo]

but thematically lust on rogue is weird

[keen belfry]

im in full azraolon group rn

[dawn talon]

it's some kind of mind control

[buoyant cosmos]

just cat fish them

[dawn talon]

see u in 5 minutes

[buoyant cosmos]

It'll either be a movie or a comedy

[dawn talon]

azralon has to have the highest density of weeb names

[strong halo]

I blacklist LATAM servers, too many d/cs and trolls

[buoyant cosmos]

streaming anime is a huge pasttime lol

[mighty pivot]

@keen belfry was there no duel after all?

[worthy elm]

you play enough, you realize thats just every server..

[buoyant cosmos]

Tons of them moved to other central servers now, so you can't just assume anything anymore.

A52 has a ton of Latin/South american players these days

[dawn talon]

idk it's not like they're toxic bc they're from south america it's just the realm culture, it's the same thing as MG players having weird /say macros

[buoyant cosmos]

"nam nam warm tummy uwu"

"tummy full OwO"

[chilly dagger]

I invite them to spite my guildies that say they're bad even tho they have issues in 12s

[fallen mural]

Do you guys call them Ass Rogues toilet_spin or Sin Rogues (friends were having a debate)?

[shy pecan]

i call them weebs

[vivid vessel]

Is this an assa rogue

Tell him to fuck off

[zinc briar]

its amazing how we still break invi on dim

what a fcking joke

[torpid heath]

🤡

[proper veldt]

@south robin noob

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cheerleader-dance-weeb-weeaboo-gif-16445405

[obsidian walrus]

is it worth playing 2 set 2 set?

or wait for 4 set

[quaint sable]

As fateboud yes as trickster no

[quartz magnet]

if the delve belt is replaced by hc track belts, then why do sims then tell me that a craftet belt is a dps loss?

does sims assume that the belt progs giga much?

[quaint sable]

did u make sure it had the right stats

for me crafted belt was a decent upg over delve belt

[gaunt phoenix]

link sim

[bright crane]

Damn sominus got banned?

Rip in peace

[quartz magnet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mvrMmBJUmPPGQruJT4u38V

[bright crane]

I always miss the juicy stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

the belt is embellished

so it will have to remove your ring or something to equip

[quartz magnet]

xD im just stupid then

[keen belfry]

wanna know whats crazy guys

losing to tank on neophyte dmg, while being last in high priestess aemya dmg

[random stirrup]

i miss somnius

banger poster

[keen belfry]

whered he go

[random stirrup]

executed for his sins

[keen belfry]

for wat

oh he for sure said something about some events from yesterday

surely

xd

[keen belfry]

great minds

think alike

[wintry solar]

Are the great minds in the room with us?

[keen belfry]

sup poopoo

any takes lately?

[bright crane]

Damn bro blaming you

[frail veldt]

I don't think he's blaming

[bright crane]

Oh

Well aren’t I just a stupid idiot then

[frail veldt]

I do think he's coping

[jade abyss]

Why do I lose stealth on Dimensius at pull and not Assa/Sub rogues, am I doing something wrong?

[frail veldt]

Tryna say he just made a lil joke

[frail veldt]

Subterfuge

[random stirrup]

subterfuge

bugs it

[jade abyss]

not cool at all

[bright crane]

Preach kween

[keen belfry]

nono he was doing daily "awang the type of guy" jokes but this one just had some content not for wow discord xd

[frail veldt]

LOL

yeah I can imagine it

not gona type it

[normal forge]

does rank 6 with vandals changes anything? any specifics?

[mighty pivot]

am here

[bright crane]

Joining the ranks of Ryu

Gone, but not forgotten

[mighty pivot]

outlaw tuning tonight (or one of the next 28 days)

[hardy thicket]

Ur enchants get stronger

[normal forge]

yes, but some more than others i believe

[stiff vector]

awang the type of guy to poop his pants

[torpid heath]

stop the 🧢

[stiff vector]

[hardy thicket]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/hotfixed-weapon-enchantment-buff-bigger-than-expected-with-bugged-raid-renown-378456

[bright crane]

You believed right

But now

You believe WRONG

[mighty pivot]

totally uncapped unlike outlaw's aoe

[torpid heath]

I mean every classes is capped

Joke

Ragebaiting

[strong halo]

in a world of frost dks

were never getting invited are we

[bright crane]

Watch it bucko

[mighty pivot]

technically every class is also uncapped if you use the stone idol as trinket

[bright crane]

You’re on thin ice

[torpid heath]

BM needed that buff more than we did

Im about to play fatebound on araz tonight

We should all start this

Im noy gonna press BF once

[strong halo]

I just did floodgate im at 11M overall BM hunter says "low dps"

because hes at 14

i swear to god this patch will give them all egos

for pressing 3 spells

[frail veldt]

I mean

[wintry solar]

I knew I sensed a great mind

[frail veldt]

is he wrong?

your dps is 30% lower than his

[strong halo]

😠

[frail veldt]

and you dont have any big cds or utility to make up for it

or prio damage

14mil overall is pretty wild

Id have an ego too

[west ridge]

ya wait wtf

14 milly

[bright crane]

If BM is so overpowered why do I still see so many MM hunters

I was thinking of using my boost on a hunter just haven’t pulled the trigger

[copper radish]

Brb making BM alt my main

[stiff vector]

way ahead of you guys

taking my hunter thru his first normal rn, already have 2 set

its honestly more braindead than I even thought it would be lul

[red zinc]

i got 4p 30 minutes into the characters existence

(Hc boost)

was a saved boost though rng was crazy

[craggy quiver]

I got soul hunter boots on my boosted run

[stiff vector]

I shall see how my rng is soon

[craggy quiver]

My otl still has normal boots

[stiff vector]

if its bad i can just buy a hc boost

[red zinc]

Just buy mail pants if you need to complete the tier

Its cheap asf

[stiff vector]

ye I bought hero mail legs alrdy

got RF helm w/ a socket

[bright crane]

Damn BM is that easy?

[copper radish]

3 button special class lmao

[bright crane]

I wish hunters had cooler mogs though

Like they actually don’t have cool tier sets

[copper radish]

Ima pretend my hunters an outlaw for the rest of the season 😂

[copper radish]

Maybe 2-3 cool tier sets the rest are straight ass cheeks

[keen belfry]

😄

[bright crane]

I can just buy the base $50 game and then upgrade later if I want to right?

[keen belfry]

poopybutt!!

[copper radish]

Yee

[bright crane]

Nice

[stiff vector]

I mean ive never played BM before, and only played a bit of surv s1 on retail. I think it took me maybe 10 minutes to be like "alright, I think ive mastered the rotation already"

its like

[bright crane]

Jesus

[stiff vector]

so crazy easy compared to playing outlaw that

[bright crane]

Vs like

100 hours and a college course for outlaw

[copper radish]

Barbed shot, barbed, kill commend, kill command**, bestial wrath rinse repeat and that’s like it. Multi shot in there and GG 😂

[frail veldt]

kill command?

lol

[copper radish]

Yeah lmao

[bright crane]

Looool

[stiff vector]

if youre an outlaw main who can does high keys and mythic raids on outlaw, BM hunter will literally take you 1 normal raid run and a key or two to be basically just as good on it as you are on outlaw

[bright crane]

We out

Will boost tonight

[frail veldt]

I mean

its boring af though

who was playing outlaw because it was good

[copper radish]

Same stuff on repeat

Atleast the pets are cool

[bright crane]

Yeha but at this point

Im doing 14-15 keys

[stiff vector]

I mean theres no way I could ever main this spec its way too braindead id fall asleep

[bright crane]

And getting extremely high decline rates

[buoyant cosmos]

nothing wrong with running yours

[bright crane]

And I don’t like arcane. Idk why I don’t find it as fun as fire

I mean true

[buoyant cosmos]

I get that it isn't optimal if you don't need that IO

but you can use it as tryouts to find people who play at the same time and start making a small stack

[bright crane]

But I’m a shy guy 🥰

[stiff vector]

Id also rather actually play the game, rather than get spam declined from 16s/17s all night. You know if I dont get invited to a single key in an hour of trying, at least I can say I tried and then go on my hunter

[quaint mauve]

it’s gotten bad man im literally doing a key a day

getting declined from 15s perma

[bright crane]

There’s also like

Exponentially less keys past 13’s

Which is a major contributing factor

[buoyant cosmos]

I didn't want to make my chat box bigger, this is what it did to me last night lol

[quaint mauve]

yeah and why would you invite an outlaw rogue when you’re getting flooded by dps sign ups

[bright crane]

But that is kinda true for like

[stiff vector]

I mean I cant rly blame people for preferring to play dh/arcane/fdk or playing phys with a BM hunter instead of an outlaw in 16s/17s+

but its just insanely miserable

[rotund token]

Its the same every season man, only s3 df was cool. Dunno before df tho

[bright crane]

Any non-mega meta spec tho

[frail veldt]

Yeah I told my buddy who was complaining about it

I dont invite outlaw rogues

when im on any other spec

hate to say it

[bright crane]

Wow bro

[frail veldt]

but its just not worth inviting

[bright crane]

TRAITOR

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[frail veldt]

im just not dumb lol

[rotund token]

True

[frail veldt]

an outlaw rogue has to be so much better at the game to make up for its deficits

[buoyant cosmos]

Do you expect them to be knuckle draggers?

[frail veldt]

and the chances of that being true

of a rando in lfg

are just so low

[frail veldt]

yes

I expect all players to be

if you dont youre gona suffer

[buoyant cosmos]

true

[frail veldt]

gotta plan for the worst

assume everyone sucks

and set the group up

so that it has teh highest chance of success

[buoyant cosmos]

"all mages between 2800-3200 are bait" saw that a few days ago and it's been true

[frail veldt]

with the lowest expectation of skill

[frail veldt]

100% true

cuz mage is hard

but I will invite a frost dk

[dawn talon]

ngl even above that

[frail veldt]

and BM hunter

cuz