outlaw

[cedar kernel]

[junior coral]

Huh?

[cedar kernel]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1415393546990649458 here

[red zinc]

nah

Idk its strange

You probably dont get 999% vers anyway since the grind takes a lil

but it seems to still have you take damage

Have we ever done vers calculations (it just being additive dr)?

no such thing as additive/multiplicative negative modifiers i guess but still curious

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

Helo

[hasty warren]

yo solo

hry ?

[leaden folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[crystal canopy]

pretty much all percentage modifiers are multiplicative in wow, which works to your advantage for damage increases, but to your disadvantage for personal damage reductions

[worldly shale]

so far

i mean

im cooking

[proven ocean]

Guys we found the secret sauce

[crystal canopy]

in theory going over 200% vers should make you immune to damage, but they removed the hardcap for legion remix specifically so I assume they did something to the damage reduction for legion remix as well

[red zinc]

Yeah

people said they started dying in +40s

with 999 vers

maybe they made it .1% dr per % vers or somethin

[crystal canopy]

I assume they made it more of a logarithmic increase so it still follows the normal scaling early on, but then gets less and less potent as you get more vers

[worldly shale]

biggg

btw

couldve been higher

but

once

it expired

during subterfuge

wtf?

[vivid vessel]

Well

It never stops

Even during adr

It goes down 1000 times slower or smth idk

[worldly shale]

thats kinda dumbo?

[vivid vessel]

If you vanihs under 0.1 you have chances to drop it

[worldly shale]

i thought i was cool for clipping it

at 0.3

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's dumb blizzard has not figured out how to stop buffs yet

You know

Bit hard

[worldly shale]

ye makes sense

very hard

[agile orchid]

they stopped rogue buffs for this reset

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel

can you give me some hope please

what are your feelings that we might get some love this week?

yes, no, nah, maybe, stfu

[agile orchid]

that's a "lmao no"

they just did "tuning"

[daring oxide]

@agile orchid dont forget

this was your fault

you brought hope into this realm

hope laced with despair

[agile orchid]

I only said tuning is coming

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

[agile orchid]

not that rogue would get buffed

[daring oxide]

thats true

[agile orchid]

if anything I was pessimistic about sub getting nerfed

[daring oxide]

you are right

[agile orchid]

because of rwf

[daring oxide]

nah i don't think sub needs a nerf at all lol

its just good at its niche

[agile orchid]

it needs buffs if anything

[daring oxide]

which fits well into where its needed

yup i agree

[quiet root]

rogue dev afk anyway

or perhaps working on midnight rework 👀

[daring oxide]

or they could just be busy with other projects, we literally have midnight on the verge of coming and they are probably busy working on alpha

[vivid vessel]

I think the issue is that ks is not getting fixed

[daring oxide]

and i actually think the rogue tuning/buffs need quite a lot of technical attention (bit more complex than other classes)

[vivid vessel]

So the spec is fucked in keys anyway

[agile orchid]

but I can live without sub buffs, it currently does quite good in m+

but assa and outlaw need God

[vivid vessel]

Niche > best progression spec in the game every tier

Hm okok

[daring oxide]

KS could be bandaided by making it only hit your current target, and that would help a bit, and then it still needs more work, like letting kick during channel too

[vivid vessel]

I'm sorry what

[quiet root]

i mean fair enough but i'll take a simple aura buff even if it doesn't fix the real problems

[vivid vessel]

Sub players are so delusional every tier it's crazy

[daring oxide]

ya but an aura buff wouldn't be the solution here, as blizzard wont like the consequences of doing that

[vivid vessel]

Well that's what I'm talking about tho

That's not coming any time soon

[daring oxide]

maybe 11.2.5?

well for trickster at least

[worldly shale]

maybe 12.0

[proven ocean]

ye thats what im saying

zac

[worldly shale]

maybe 12.0.5

[proven ocean]

u mean what i was saying right

[worldly shale]

maybe

[proven ocean]

when sub is always op start of M+ season

[quiet root]

why not? they do it for other specs (e.g. BM) too without issue

[proven ocean]

then ppl realize they're delusional

and stop playing sub

[vivid vessel]

No

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

I mean sub is mega op in raid every season

[proven ocean]

what then

[vivid vessel]

And sub players

Still cry their spec is bad

[proven ocean]

dude

[vivid vessel]

Because in reclears it does less damage

[proven ocean]

its crazy how its the opposite in M+

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

they think sub is the most op spec in the game

in M+

then

[daring oxide]

because if we get a big aura buff, it doesn't fully solve the problem of why we lose a lot of ST, they need to sorta retune the talents (PC especially) and bring some power back into BF baseline too

[proven ocean]

1-2 months later

0 sub rogues

in M+

[vivid vessel]

I think you underestimate sub in m+ zeross

Cause of S2

[proven ocean]

abit maybe but

its not meta tho

[vivid vessel]

Sub in S3 is so much better than S2 sub

[proven ocean]

ye but its not meta

[vivid vessel]

I think you just are biased cause of it

[agile orchid]

sub has a decent niche in raid

[proven ocean]

u might be right ye

[vivid vessel]

I wish I was non meta like sub is lol

It's one of the best spec in the game

[agile orchid]

I wish assa would be better for fights like fractillus or loomithar

[proven ocean]

it works great with havoc too

without havoc it sucks balls btw

in m+

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

because u have 0 funnel

minibosses live looongy wongy

no cappy

[vivid vessel]

Our comp have 0 funnel

And 0 prio

Good luck to us in high keys

[quiet root]

right it doesn't fix the actual problems obviously, but outlaw is a prime candidate for a big rework in midnight anyway, i think an aura buff to tide us over shouldn't be a problem

[proven ocean]

thats fake tho

cuz

u have brewmaster

it does giga high dps

so its compensated zac

[vivid vessel]

I mean

It doesn't do prio

[agile orchid]

wasn't alpha supposed to start this week or something like that

[proven ocean]

ye but

it does reverse prio

speeds up bosses

[agile orchid]

or is alpha just internal testing

[proven ocean]

and does good overall dps

[vivid vessel]

I mean sure

[proven ocean]

it has its own prio kind of prio

[vivid vessel]

But just like warrior

[inland acorn]

But it is...?

[proven ocean]

warrior is abit worse tho

[agile orchid]

it's bottom 6 on fractillus

all rogue specs are on the bottom

they are only good at padding

[quiet root]

@daring oxide i'm saying this in the context of aura buff vs no changes btw, obviously i'd rather they fix stuff like KS prio and pc instead, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards

[vivid vessel]

Barely

[vivid vessel]

?

Sub is only good at padding?

That's what I mean

With sub players man

[hasty warren]

[vivid vessel]

Sub litteraly top every single thing on the last 2 bosses

Be it add damage, miniboss damage, boss damage

So cringe actually

And sub players will find a way to act as if sub is bad

Liquid would have probably ran 4 sub rogues if they had more than 1 rogue player

[agile orchid]

zac are you just trying to find reasons to cry or something

[proven ocean]

something tells me sub is getting a buff soon

[vivid vessel]

No you said 4 times in 5 min that rogue was bad

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

When it's litteraly the best spec in the game

[hasty warren]

buff outlaw pls

[daring oxide]

maybe im giga cooked but I think just giving us a simple blanket aura buff, would just enhance our current problem of heavy padding and low priority damage and they probably know that, and would rather wait for more technical changes like talent adjustments without overbuffing us

[vivid vessel]

It makes me mad how sub players are like that every season bro that's all

[proven ocean]

thats alot man

[agile orchid]

sub has good niche on a few bosses but it's dogshit on the rest

[proven ocean]

not barely zac

[mighty pivot]

each ability which says that it pauses, actually keeps ticking at 1% the speed. So ADR which lasts 20s will last 2000s instead or 33 and 1/3 minutes. BF has the same rate

[agile orchid]

assa is dogshit everywhere

[proven ocean]

halls i g they got reflect

[agile orchid]

outlaw is only good at soul hunters and dogshit everywhere

[proven ocean]

but

[agile orchid]

how is rogue the best class in the game

[vivid vessel]

Bro

[proven ocean]

also prot pal doesnt count zac

[vivid vessel]

A few bosses

[proven ocean]

cuz its rly bad

[vivid vessel]

The only 3 hard bosses in the raid

[worldly shale]

uber dumb

[vivid vessel]

With last boss being

[vivid vessel]

3 times the pull count

[proven ocean]

diff is above 1m in gambit zac

[vivid vessel]

Of every boss added

Together

[proven ocean]

thats rly op

[vivid vessel]

Like tf you saying

[gaunt phoenix]

[proven ocean]

@agile orchid can u stop typing

im trying to argue with zac

bozo

also sub is op

ok

[vivid vessel]

Sub small niche is being the best spec in the game at end bosses every tier

[daring oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231784709634265128/1375971942720602233/image0.gif

[proven ocean]

true

it was op in fyrakk

and

[quiet root]

i get that but i genuinely think we are not getting any of these more technical changes until midnight, maybe i'm a doomer idk

[vivid vessel]

When every other boss was 1 pull

[proven ocean]

tindral

zac

remmeber on fyrakk

[vivid vessel]

Don't act like sub is bad on half the raid

[proven ocean]

when sub didnt do big numbers

but it nuked shield?

[vivid vessel]

And only good on 2 fights

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

That's crazy cringe bro

[proven ocean]

"OMG SUB IS NOT BIG"

but

it nuked fyrakk shield

and made the phase a joke

same with tindral

nuked shield

[agile orchid]

yeah sub is the best spec in the game because it's good on 3 bosses vs arcane that is good everywhere

[vivid vessel]

Nah you are cooked

Oh no it's only good at 3 bosses

[proven ocean]

ur crazy if u think arcane > sub in raid

ur just hyper coping

[daring oxide]

i don't think blizzard are that ignorant to our current problems to leave it until midnight, i'm quite confident they are actually just currently cooking something now, Assa is also quite dire considering the bugs they have so probably working on fucking rogue stuff all together at the same time

fixing* not fucking

[gaunt phoenix]

Freudian slip

[vivid vessel]

Last boss 400 pulls
Nexus king 250 pulls
Boss 1 to 6: 1/2 pulls per bosses

Oh no

Sub so bad this raid guys

It's only good on 2 fights

3 actually

[proven ocean]

araz

[vivid vessel]

The only 3 hard fight

[proven ocean]

sub carried that shit

[daring oxide]

guys lets have peace

[vivid vessel]

In the raid

You are so stupid

[proven ocean]

the only hard 3 fights

sub carried

LOL

[vivid vessel]

Stop being cringe

I hate sub rogue players

[proven ocean]

its always the same story zac

[quiet root]

we'll see, i hope you are right

[proven ocean]

sub either coping

or hyping it up

[agile orchid]

I am not a sub rogue player

I play all 3 specs

[proven ocean]

zac is not an outlaw player

he plays all 3 specs

same thing dude

[daring oxide]

I also hope so, for our sakes, but trust me being hopeful feels so much better mentally, although the heartbreak can be more painful

[proven ocean]

we all know ur a sub rogue by heart..

@vivid vessel thoughts

[mighty pivot]

sorry you hate everything zac

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-fighting-hose-parenting-hose-off-gif-12003125

[vivid vessel]

Ye I'm a multispeccer freakazoid

I play all 3 spec fr fr

Not an outlaw player btw

I play all 3 specs guys

[proven ocean]

but zac

[vivid vessel]

Ok I go take a nap

[proven ocean]

back to tank topic

[vivid vessel]

Arguing with a sub player made me mad

[proven ocean]

monk kinda way stronger than warr in some keys

[mighty pivot]

fakest outlaw one trick

[agile orchid]

stay mad

[proven ocean]

some keys only warr wins

like 3

[quiet root]

i mean for me it's not that deep, i'm going to play outlaw for fun regardless of tuning anyways, doesn't bother me much if we suck because i don't do the content where it actually matters

[vivid vessel]

It's not way stronger cause the raid buff is useless for normal comps mostly

[proven ocean]

i mean

u guys are full physic no?

[vivid vessel]

Sub need buffs, keep playing the worse rogue spec

[daring oxide]

for me i want outlaw to be good/average in raid, not bottom

[vivid vessel]

Yes

I just mean

It's barely better

[proven ocean]

ye so that statement kinda is irrelevant?

[vivid vessel]

But bring a worse buff

[proven ocean]

i mean

[vivid vessel]

And is squishier

[proven ocean]

i agree squishier

[vivid vessel]

It is for us

[proven ocean]

but if u do that much more dps

it kinda becomes irrelevant

[vivid vessel]

Also you know how logs are irrelevant tho

I bet Kira does more damage

[vivid vessel]

Than these guys

[proven ocean]

well

true

some of those keys are big gaps tho

kinda

[daring oxide]

lol why does everyone want wind zac up everyday

[cinder haven]

What would the comp be without monk?

[proven ocean]

well

prob vdh

[daring oxide]

there is no comp without monk

[vivid vessel]

Wdym

[proven ocean]

cuz funnel

vdh is kinda good with its funnel

[vivid vessel]

Prot pal

[proven ocean]

or maybe prot pal

ye

[vivid vessel]

Ok bb

Fuck you zeross

And fyck you rob

[proven ocean]

Fuck you too zac

[vivid vessel]

Ty

[proven ocean]

np

[daring oxide]

bb zac have a nice day at work

[proven ocean]

hes taking a nap

wait

nap at work or

[mighty pivot]

french taco break

[proven ocean]

based

[daring oxide]

well hes gonna need a nap after that

[proven ocean]

ig

[cinder haven]

Reminds me of Fire ze missiles!

[quiet root]

zac is le tired

[agile orchid]

I hope sub gets a buff before outlaw does xd

jk take care

[cinder haven]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-ze-missiles-missiles-french-gif-18119020

Found it

[daring oxide]

if this actually happens I think Zac might have an meltdown akin to the Removal of Acrobatic Strikes Meltdown 2 years ago

[quiet root]

how old are we btw, we should probably be stopped from playing outlaw for our health's sakes

[cinder haven]

I don’t even know how old this is

[quiet root]

i don't want to know

[cinder haven]

20+ years?

[agile orchid]

if anything outlaw should be good for your health

it keeps you on your toes

[daring oxide]

I was going to say this exact thing

[quiet root]

i will keep telling myself this until my hands start to hurt (they haven't yet luckily)

[daring oxide]

im old enough that playing outlaw like a degen is actually helping me keep my brain alert and react fast

and is good training

[agile orchid]

it's like saying you are too old for cardio

[gaunt phoenix]

somnius banned....

rip the goat

[daring oxide]

well i dont think 34 is too old

what?

[daring oxide]

what happened?1

[cinder haven]

Probably related to politics

[gaunt phoenix]

certain politically charged messages about a certain event that happened in americaland yesterday

[daring oxide]

oh...

[quiet root]

yeah i was going to say

[daring oxide]

where do these things happen

[quiet root]

had to have been some edgy comments about charlie kirk incident

[daring oxide]

i only usually look in Outlaw channel only

and assa to see what the grandpas are up to

[quiet root]

maybe this is where we all eventually end up

[daring oxide]

nah if i get too old for outlaw im going bm hunter

i can chill with me lovely dogs and cats

its a nice retirement home spec to play too

[gaunt phoenix]

you might have to react to black arrow procs

[daring oxide]

I'll play packleader

[gaunt phoenix]

very hard

[daring oxide]

LOL

i mean we can always just make black arrow icon extra big in cooldown manager

hard to miss

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[cinder haven]

I miss aintnoway

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

me too lol

always the best gif

[limpid vortex]

How much versatility is too much? Is there a limit? I know it's a good stat for us.

[quiet root]

there is no limit

[limpid vortex]

I'm at 21,300

[quiet root]

stack more

[limpid vortex]

Hell yeah

[uncut stratus]

where can i view how many reshii wraps currencies i have

not in my bag nor in the currency tab

[tired rune]

In the reshi window

[uncut stratus]

reshii window....

[quiet root]

/run GenericTraitUI_LoadUI() GenericTraitFrame:SetSystemID(29) GenericTraitFrame:SetTreeID(1115) ToggleFrame(GenericTraitFrame)

chinese reshii wrap window hack

[uncut stratus]

which one?

oh, classic

[quiet root]

you're supposed to visit the guy in karesh but you can also just do that command instead

[smoky bloom]

should i count the Supercharger bonus CPoints toward the "5 or more" points for bte in subterfuge? Or just in general

[cinder haven]

No

Ignore supercharges basically

[vivid vessel]

What no way they banned the goat

Actually will be different around here without him

..

[red zinc]

[gaunt phoenix]

we are free

[cinder haven]

From buffs

[vivid vessel]

Wdym free bro ..

Solo you have to protect the outlaw goats more

I think we are being targeted a bit

No cap

[gaunt phoenix]

i cannot defend anything typed in #off-topic

[quiet root]

anti OUTLAW!!! sentiment spilling over into ravenholdt off-topic

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[heady knoll]

for the new vanish/gs FB rules, does it matter at all if you vanish at 7 cp and waste the combo point from gs? should you try to vanish at 5/6 instead?

[cinder haven]

It can be a small gain to take that into account

[cinder haven]

But it’s insignificant

[stiff vector]

I dont feel very free

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-marvel-heavy-toll-gif-14531728

[cinder haven]

Best rule is something like 5-broadside or more CP

[wide orchid]

How much am I going to regret swapping to Outlaw from Assa? Our guild has just begun Myth prog and I need someone to validate my coping

[covert kestrel]

I'm swapping to outlaw for mythic prog is a first

[muted crest]

Some1 in ur guild drunk

[wide orchid]

I just want to feel happy again while playing rogue

[quiet root]

just disable dmg meter and play outlaw then

it's a good time

[covert kestrel]

Sub makes you happy every 90s

[vivid vessel]

Guys

If I get banned

On next outlaw rework

It's solo fault

He didn't defend us enough

The high up are slowly eliminating all of us

[covert kestrel]

Solo only can save us if we stick to #outlaw

[vivid vessel]

One by one

[quiet root]

monka

[stiff vector]

dont venture outside of #outlaw its a very wild world out there

[covert kestrel]

If we leave they take us out like stranded wildebeest from the pack

[stiff vector]

solo is powerless

[cedar kernel]

[hybrid crown]

There's some weird shit that comes from the non spec discussion channels

[granite merlin]

I’m at 44% :0…in raid

[cedar kernel]

[wintry solar]

#outlaw is the only safe place. Else we'll be shot in the street like dogs.

Stray dogs with fleas and such

[covert kestrel]

Phrasing

[wintry solar]

Safe space?

Oh the shot thing

This is totally irrelevant dw

There's a stray that keeps coming by my house and I keep trying to catch it so I can keep it.

Strays make the best pets

[indigo token]

the woke mob..

[wintry solar]

Well they can't ban people asleep

Duh

How would that even work

[indigo token]

ever watched severance

same thing

[lilac topaz]

Possibly stupid question but
In the ST keep it rolling build do you rely on pistol shot for combo points during vanish if you dont get a reset on cp or do you ambush or SS?

[covert kestrel]

That was somnius' favorite show

[limpid vortex]

I was yelled at for ambushing with keep it rolling, so it should be pistol shot

[inland acorn]

Follow builder rules, unbind ambush from keep it rolling build

[wintry solar]

Somnius suggested a band and now I'll never remember what it was

[lilac topaz]

Roger that ty

[lone crow]

@gaunt phoenix

[proven ocean]

Didnt ask but gz

[vivid vessel]

Bro..

I wanna reclear tonight

Why do I have to wait one entire week..

I could be 719 ilvl rn ..

[proven ocean]

Im gonna clear ur…

[vivid vessel]

Helly!

[red zinc]

zac

[vivid vessel]

Tim

[red zinc]

why are you talking about getting eliminated

Who got banned

[vivid vessel]

Somnius ..

The og gooner ..

[red zinc]

he deserved it icl

[proven ocean]

Ehat fid he do

What did

[red zinc]

Weirdo comments on what happened yesterday

[vivid vessel]

He was always tip toeing the line

I think he slipped over it

[proven ocean]

I hy what happened

[vivid vessel]

Fell off

[proven ocean]

Why*

Huh

[vivid vessel]

Not much

Just another day in America

No big deal

[floral compass]

question about the Fatebound opener in raid, Can I just macro RTB in there as well as that's the next button we wanna press next anyways no? or is firering 3 abilities on the same gcd finnicky or smth

[proven ocean]

Ah

[vivid vessel]

The other abilities are off GCD so that's fine

[floral compass]

Thanks ^^

[vivid vessel]

But then you won't be able to vanihs > macro infight

[floral compass]

oh ur right good point

[gaunt phoenix]

[cedar kernel]

does the ban is forever

or

it has time

[vivid vessel]

Bans are forever in here

Until he makes an alt

Like lashga

With his 10 diff accounts

[cedar kernel]

[covert kestrel]

Like they nitpick every message from an #outlaw player, meanwhile lashga literally links his own sims and doesn't get banned

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-not-justice-not-balanced-not-fair-inequality-finding-justice-gif-13865578

[daring oxide]

Weekly bag?!

[jolly geyser]

[daring oxide]

Lmao

Are bans actually perma

[covert kestrel]

yup

[daring oxide]

Damn

I need to be on my best behaviour then

[covert kestrel]

I mean somn did have a few mutes before this perma

[red zinc]

somnius was like 4 mutes deep

You aint getting perma’d for one thing unless its like insanely outrageous

[lone crow]

yea

[cedar kernel]

[strong halo]

Damnnnmmm you are popped off

What key

[cedar kernel]

15 halls

[strong halo]

Without battle shout

Why play rogue at all though when frost does that dmg with 0 effort

Lmao

[cedar kernel]

dream

[gaunt phoenix]

fun

[covert kestrel]

because i like rogue and think its fun and i personally play video games to have fun and not achieve things

[cedar kernel]

i still find a key to time

i do good dmg rn

since the log review

[strong halo]

Fair but like I can’t tell you have many keys I get declined from

[cedar kernel]

but they just discriminate outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[strong halo]

You’re like 10 io higher than me and it’s impossible to get into groups

[cedar kernel]

or rogue

[strong halo]

Even if I apply as sub

[cedar kernel]

bc i didnt time any key since last week

💀

this is my last week score

fishlaw

😛

[strong halo]

Can we ban him too?

[tired rune]

I sat in dungeon finder for 90 min last night trying to get into a 17

[hasty warren]

resi 14

let's goooooooooooooooooooooo

[cedar kernel]

too late

[daring oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[cedar kernel]

5mins again

tank down

even cant beat a fury

[worldly shale]

is it normal to have a lower adr uptime on dawn

like

[wintry solar]

if I didnt I would too icl

[strong halo]

Normal idk, but dawn I’m like 5-10% lower

[worldly shale]

ye

something like that

[strong halo]

I’ve never hit 95% on dawn

[worldly shale]

im at around 88 90

[strong halo]

That’s pretty good

Imo

[worldly shale]

ima do some more

first boss cucks me hard

i just end up staying on her

on first burst

to cdr

[strong halo]

I just save AR if she’s below 55%

Idk if it’s right

But idk what else to do

[hasty warren]

no cuddel this week 🙁

[worldly shale]

i just stay as long as i can to cdr down if adr is loooong

but

is it cloakable?

the burst

like look at casual here https://youtu.be/BWzf4FfoEtM?si=wGyK8PqLW_Oj1n6Q&t=405

literally bricked

[strong halo]

thats crazy

but he has no ADR

[worldly shale]

i mean

atleast he beat the tank

[strong halo]

OK i dont want to sound like im smarter t han cusual

[hasty warren]

dawn as ol 💀

[strong halo]

He sends at 54% and gets it back at 40%

my system would have held at 54% and been up whole time after

[hasty warren]

real

ar below 55% is trolling

[proven ocean]

he was below the tank he had to commit trinket to catch up

which he otherwise wouldn't use and hold for the pack

so

[worldly shale]

damaze is damaze bro

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[ocean lodge]

Can I just have velf racials on a blood elf pls blizzard

[worldly shale]

imagine not being dwarf

[hasty warren]

gob>all

[buoyant cosmos]

It's great

[cedar kernel]

i lost

[hasty warren]

dwarf=ally=cringe

[worldly shale]

imagine living in a mudhut

couldnt be me

[ocean lodge]

Dwarves are uggo

[hasty warren]

i'm living in a scrap house

[ocean lodge]

If your mog sucks you do less dps

It's just math

[cedar kernel]

74% bs 90% ADR

cant win

we need a buff

[hasty warren]

only reason why I don't play daggers

[ocean lodge]

I'm surprised they didn't buff outlaw

[worldly shale]

i cant find good black legs

thats why im getting gapped by tank

[ocean lodge]

Exactly

[hasty warren]

I think it can be because we're not this low in raid cause to SB padders

may be wrong

and in key idk

[hasty warren]

blizz have no idea how outlaw works anyway

[worldly shale]

77 bs!

[ocean lodge]

Still wondering how they plan to simplify a spec that spams two buttons and only really has a tracking issue.

[cedar kernel]

[worldly shale]

uhhhhh

excuse me

2 buttons?

[hasty warren]

BM ?

[worldly shale]

just macro ss to 5 buttons

[ocean lodge]

I'm being reductive

[worldly shale]

and u will hit

6

[ocean lodge]

Lol

[gaunt phoenix]

they better be cooking

[worldly shale]

u know what i hate the most

[ocean lodge]

Like I don't think outlaws rotation needs simplifying

[worldly shale]

idk if this happens to anyone else

BUT

when main target dies

i tab

AND FUCKING COUP

[hasty warren]

nom ore copium solo

[worldly shale]

WITHOUT FAZED

IK GET

SO MAD

[cedar kernel]

human outlaw is the bis

[torpid fiber]

idk, trickster is a bit much at times

[gaunt phoenix]

Coup requiring fazed is so dumb and they don't care

[worldly shale]

exacly

[vivid vessel]

It's peak rogue design imo

[ocean lodge]

Meanwhile they just gave sub blade flurry because why not

[vivid vessel]

Annoying annoyances

That makes no sense

But a dev wanted to prove he could make talents interact with other talents

So he did it

Even tho it's strictly worse for everyone

[strong halo]

agreed

[hasty warren]

so it's cool ? like it negate a negation

[vivid vessel]

But he can add it in his resume

[ocean lodge]

We need a dev like the paladin one

[vivid vessel]

It's like coup being 1.2s long

What purpose does it serve

None

[ocean lodge]

Just unapologetically buffs us whenever they get an excuse

[hasty warren]

we need a dev .

[vivid vessel]

Just annoys people

[cedar kernel]

it got a cool anime

[vivid vessel]

But the dev is so proud of himself

[cedar kernel]

[vivid vessel]

Look at me

I made a GCD longer

[agile orchid]

wait what does this mean

[vivid vessel]

It has more impact

[gaunt phoenix]

what does what mean

[agile orchid]

you can't cast coup if fazed is not on the target?

[vivid vessel]

You can it just does nothing

[gaunt phoenix]

you can but you dont get flawless form

[agile orchid]

wow really

[cedar kernel]

what if they buff the 1.5min KS back

[ocean lodge]

I wish shooting spree didn't random target

[cedar kernel]

i need that

[agile orchid]

then enjoy permachanneling KS

[strong halo]

so how do you get a target fazed if you dont SS or KS and have coup up?

[hasty warren]

if only ks was hitting only main target

[drowsy ridge]

If it focused on my main target, I wouldn't mind that. I think

[hasty warren]

and u spread faze with bf

[strong halo]

Darkest Night feels better than Coup NGL

[gaunt phoenix]

You dont

[agile orchid]

or just make KS do full damage to everything around you

[worldly shale]

are we good here?

[strong halo]

So you just send anyways no? ok i thought iwas doing it wrong

[hasty warren]

real

[ocean lodge]

Why are you the L faction

[hasty warren]

also, more range on KS

[agile orchid]

since you know

it's killing spree

[hasty warren]

we have guns or forks ?

[worldly shale]

dwarf masterrace

[cedar kernel]

u need to be rich to play uh uh uh rogue

[ocean lodge]

Not for another 20 years

[worldly shale]

ima be pushing

40s

by then

tf

[ocean lodge]

Well I guess more like 16

[worldly shale]

goblin for the alliance

[ocean lodge]

A torrent buff would be nice.

At this point lol

[rotund haven]

for those who have the 691 cudgel...are you macroing to the cudgel for 8+ targets or just running it the whole dungeon?

[gaunt phoenix]

you just swap it for trash

not specifically 8 targets

[rotund haven]

ok so basically only swapping off it for bosses/signle target?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[cedar kernel]

i still dont know whether i should use cudgel or ilvl wep in big mom

[gaunt phoenix]

ilvl

[cedar kernel]

🫶

[strong cargo]

Anytime vanish doesn't reset combat : ilvl

[vivid vessel]

Big mom

[craggy quiver]

Good morning fellow outlawers

[hasty warren]

no

[cedar kernel]

[hasty warren]

i'm horde

[worldly shale]

i can smell that

[hasty warren]

took a shower yd

[worldly shale]

yd last year

[hasty warren]

do rain count ?

[cedar kernel]

I CRASHED OUT

THE GOD DIDNT HELP OUTLAW

[craggy quiver]

We need more than God to save outlaw

[worldly shale]

thrall summons rain every year

for u to shower

so ye ig

[tired rune]

no one is saving outlaw its ded

[daring oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[quaint delta]

how does outlaw drop 9 places when it was in last place last week?

[vivid vessel]

Goated

That's all

@fathom bramble imma play fateboudn only from now on, no padding, to bring down the averages

[daring oxide]

poor stat scaling, pad dies faster, less damage, no ST damage, blizzard devs hate us, they hate zac, they dont want to help us, outlaw is spaghetti and has been abandoned, we've become mouldy, they want to avoid us more, decide to make us from scratch in midnight

[vivid vessel]

I encourage everyone to do the same

[frank finch]

this means in m+ to

[vivid vessel]

No

[frank finch]

pussy

[worldly shale]

ok velf kinda hot ngl

[daring oxide]

is it illegal to @ the important people to save outlaw?

[fervent garden]

love the way you snuck in 'they hate zac'

[daring oxide]

dont wanna get perma banned from RH

[daring oxide]

ya ngl this is fcking hot lol

[daring oxide]

really nice mog, can you show from behind? wanna see weapons

i cant wait to go plant people next tier

be a sexy NE looking tree person

[hasty warren]

Is HOA a bad key for us or a good key for others ?

[cedar kernel]

i think its a good key now

[vivid vessel]

Every key is a bad key for us

[craggy quiver]

Hoa has a massive first pull

That is dangerous if you don't kill fast lol

[daring oxide]

are BM hunters sandbagging again

[muted crest]

still archon puts us A tier

[daring oxide]

how are they A tier

[hasty warren]

idk we're toping priory

[vivid vessel]

This website is legit useless data tho

Just the fact most top outlaw rogues log runs

[worldly shale]

carl from shameless lookin ass

[vivid vessel]

While people like casual addict and all the kira team and shit never does

And then it's only low keys

Like it's just useless

[hasty warren]

13-18 is relatively low key

[daring oxide]

What weapons are they?

[hasty warren]

Im ean most players are doing this lvl of key

tryhard ppl

[vivid vessel]

Idj

Idk

You tell me what outlaw is topping

19 and 18 priory

Here lil 20 halls

The outlaw rogue would be behind the mage

Hmge

Crazy or

[hasty warren]

toping in average

in max we're not this high

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's topping 10s maybe

[hasty warren]

it's 13-18

[vivid vessel]

Cause once again cd classes can't send CDs in low keys

[vivid vessel]

Which is heavely biased toward low keys so it's useless

How many 18s you think are done vs 13s

[hasty warren]

but if it's only loged key u're right it's bad data

[hasty warren]

the quarter

or less

idk

[vivid vessel]

Wayyyyy less lol

You probably have like 50 times more 13s than 18s idk

[hasty warren]

i'm trying to find the data

but rio is capped at 15s lol

[vivid vessel]

13s+ vs 15+

already such a huge diff

[olive fog]

https://raider.io/stats/mythic-plus-runs?season=season-tww-3&groupBy=mythic_level

[vivid vessel]

Also then you have to look at logged runs

Which is probably like

10 18s bro

Data

[hasty warren]

they're 35k 18s

approx

ok no mb

[random stirrup]

More key logs would be great

[keen belfry]

wow should just auto log every run

[vivid vessel]

there is 156 logged 18 halls

divided by 5

for the number of run

That's around 30 runs

Big data

Now how many outlaw logs let's see

1

Big data

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel you doing last 2 outlaw this week?

[vivid vessel]

No lol

Nexus king sure

Not dimmy

[keen belfry]

youre probs far away to playing on dimmy still

need raid buff and gear

[vivid vessel]

Idk if I wanna play outlaw on dimmy

[keen belfry]

before u can meme that boss

that too

[vivid vessel]

I never played tindral as outlaw

[keen belfry]

same

[craggy quiver]

Wow

[vivid vessel]

But tindral got excluded from all stars after a bit

[craggy quiver]

It's the best

[vivid vessel]

I wonder if I can get r1 outlaw without dimmy

[cinder relic]

Dimensius is genuinely the worst Outlaw fight of all time

[vivid vessel]

I probably can

[keen belfry]

it comes to a point of if its even fun to play outlaw on a fight like dimmy

[vivid vessel]

I will not play dimmy till I can't keep r1 outlaw without killing it

120 points

[cinder relic]

Between losing subterfuge on pull, between flying, between stop damage, between damage amps, between general uptime

[vivid vessel]

It's a lot

Wil see

[cinder relic]

All the while, sub is thanos

It's like, why bother

[vivid vessel]

[hasty warren]

maybe if we play outlaw on dim blizz can see we need a buff ?

let me copium

[vivid vessel]

Well we only need one guy to sacrifice himself for that I think

[hasty warren]

o7

[fading hatch]

Greatness is often placed upon those who didn't ask for it

You know what u gotta do king

[vivid vessel]

Nah

I think it's gonna be otsdarva guy

Or loktart

Idk If I wanna do that I'm ngl

[polar niche]

🥰

[vivid vessel]

Idk

Maybe you need 50 logs so I have to chim up

[cedar kernel]

i block every one who delicne me

am i right

[vivid vessel]

[cedar kernel]

[hasty warren]

in stats there's a rule that with a least 30 samples u have representative data

50 might be a security for a more accurate sample set

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[hasty warren]

!up

!gear

[proven ocean]

?

it would be behind the dk too

dont make outlaw stronger than it look zac..

@vivid vessel btwbtw

i just ordered pinapple pizza

peperoni pizza*

[tough salmon]

Spicy pepperoni pizza with pineapple goes hard

[cedar kernel]

we have durian pizza

[worldly shale]

is that the stinky icky stuff

[cedar kernel]

ye

[worldly shale]

how is that pizzable

[kind otter]

Can you send a pic of it bac?

[cedar kernel]

yea China secret tech

one sec

[proven ocean]

???

ur omega fried

thats worse than a microwaved steak

[cedar kernel]

my mom and little brother love to have it

but uh my favorite is potato bagen pizza

[opal raven]

we deserve the bm buff

[vivid vessel]

I don't like pizza that much I'm ngl

Do you guys have french pizza

Chèvre miel

[quaint delta]

isn't elio's french bread pizza?

[hardy thicket]

Do the french have their own version of everything or

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's just better usually

[proven ocean]

no i never had that pizza i think

[hardy thicket]

French tacos french pizza

[proven ocean]

Chèvre miel

[vivid vessel]

But ye idk if that's something you guys have

Chèvre miel is uh

Honey

[worldly shale]

that looks good tbh

[vivid vessel]

And

[proven ocean]

oh

[vivid vessel]

Goat cheese?

[proven ocean]

well

i had something similar

we have like

the best honey+brisket pizza ever

in dubai

its like crazy

alot of ppll like it but i dont rly like honey that much ngl

[worldly shale]

dubai

[vivid vessel]

It's probably a french thing tho idk

It's really good tho

[cedar kernel]

honey pizz

[vivid vessel]

The goat of pizzas imo

[cedar kernel]

[proven ocean]

if i eat certain amount of honey

i start to get disgusted

idk why

[worldly shale]

i love honey tbh

[quaint delta]

speaking of brisket, i was at the store yesterday and picked up a bag of smoket brisket flavored potato chips. they're really good, tbh

[worldly shale]

i put honey on chicken

[cedar kernel]

if just for water same as u

but i hardly eat something food with honey bc its too sweat

[proven ocean]

idm goat cheese

[worldly shale]

the cheese is called

buche de chevre

right?

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[worldly shale]

35 euros

for 1kg

ill try it ngl

looks cool

[fast cloak]

Is there any way to mitigate the extreme lack of energy on opening in a fight

I feel like I spend the first 20sec of every fight struggling for energy

[quaint sable]

If u open ADR(/gs) -> roll -> BtE u shouldnt really have that issue

[fast cloak]

That's how I open

And every time I'm waiting on energy

[quaint sable]

u happen to have a log. Cause I don't exp that like ever.

[fast cloak]

I dont. I'll log some stuff and check back in maybe.

[junior coral]

More m+ yall
Macro GS into BTE or men of many bindings?

[quaint sable]

I used to have em macro'd together but this season I made em seperate binds because I hated gsing a target just before it died

[fast cloak]

My GS is macrod into BTE too

[quaint sable]

And after like 10-20 keys this season its become p second nature to just gs manually

[fast cloak]

I'm running 15s and don't have the issue as much but it's consistently an issue in raid I feel like

[quaint sable]

Like heres a log from zac and u can see he only really drops to low energy like a few times way later into the fight

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j7GByTnHX1rtfzRc?fight=4&type=resources&source=13&spell=103

[vivid vessel]

Get luckier

[fast cloak]

Is that all it is? Lmao

Sometimes it's not an issue but most times it is

RIP

[quaint sable]

I mean if its a consistent issue its not luck

[fast cloak]

I open the same way every time.

I parse 93% or higher usually. But frustrating when I open and twiddle my thumbs for first 20sec

[quaint sable]

I guess it can happen if u get like no cto buffs and thus wait a really long time before ur first KiR. But that shouldn't happen all the time

[gaunt phoenix]

if you dont open with lust there is a chance

[vivid vessel]

I mean

I doubt people make mistakes

On the first 5 GCD lol

And doing GS rtb SS already truck your energy to the negatives

If you ain't proccing

It's dire

[keen belfry]

US does hot honey pizzas, actually so good

[fast cloak]

So I'm just not lucky. Lol.

[keen belfry]

this is peak pizza

[dawn talon]

hot honey anything is generational peak

[keen belfry]

mmm

i might get that pizza for lunch today holy it sounds good

and

its right next door

[dawn talon]

i ate 36 wings yesterday i gotta eat air for lunch today bro

HAHAHHA

[keen belfry]

yes u do