outlaw

[proven ocean]

Can u delete ur rogue

Plz

[vivid vessel]

that would only nerf them above 8

[vapid sundial]

[vivid vessel]

not under

[proven ocean]

Ur gear is not allowed in the game

[vivid vessel]

how do you tune around target cap hm

[proven ocean]

..

[vivid vessel]

still 30 to spend

[proven ocean]

U never

[mellow mica]

[vivid vessel]

will up the shoudlers

[proven ocean]

It was never tuned

Around 9

[vapid sundial]

Zac gonna get called a vault hacker

again

[proven ocean]

Im 109% sure

They just made a minor fk up and its not important

[fathom bramble]

I mean they tune on some level around performance in game

and since 9 targets is making them do more damage and have higher performance

it ends up as part of their tuning considerations intentionally or not

[copper radish]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[copper radish]

ight whose got the WA with the RTB stats tracking

[mighty pivot]

are you renown 18 yet zac

[radiant mural]

why are my dice broken?

[vivid vessel]

wtf

nah you edited the weak aura

there is no way ?

[copper radish]

where the damn WA link for this

[vivid vessel]

oh well

you changed loads conditions @radiant mural

and you arent playing sleight

so no its normal

[mighty pivot]

[vivid vessel]

ye just got it

[mighty pivot]

gz on the true end game then

[copper radish]

can someone link this WA bones counter please

[radiant mural]

nothing edited, switched to sleight yesterday

[mighty pivot]

you did 750 rolls in 1 day?

[toxic gate]

just doing messing around with outlaw, it is not good to macro Vanish + GS correct?

[fathom bramble]

idk the chance of getting only 12 or less 5s from 519 sleight+LD rolls is almost 1 in a million

[toxic gate]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vivid vessel]

You did 700 rolls since then?

You loaded the weak aura with sleight off

And played with it

You aren't unlucky that's just average normal stats

5 buff is 2%

[radiant mural]

Need to clear it and rego for a few days

[stiff vector]

bro what

[radiant mural]

Gotcha

[buoyant cosmos]

no fking way lol

[stiff vector]

I got muted in game for....naming 1 of my hunters pets "fatass"

[buoyant cosmos]

Game is a joke

[sweet iron]

that happened to me too, offensive pet name

[stiff vector]

how is this even real life

are we playing fucking hello kitty island adventure with 8 year olds or....

[buoyant cosmos]

Automod has no sense of humor

[stiff vector]

the email legit says "your fellow players have reported you multiple times for x"

I HAD THE PET NAME FOR LITERALLY LESS THAN 24 HOURS

[buoyant cosmos]

I've seen people with way worse names but I aint a snitch

They can all tell you workout and are butthurt

[vapid sundial]

need to make it chinese pet name

that translates to fat fuck

[stiff vector]

this is actually just comical atp

[vapid sundial]

See my pets names are 'alpha and qt'

[stiff vector]

all im saying is I would have never been on my hunter in the first place if they would simply buff our joke of a spec

[vapid sundial]

but theres a reason behind it

[buoyant cosmos]

realz fault confirmed

@ him to get unmuted

[vapid sundial]

true

[copper radish]

can someone please do a brother a favor and link the weak aura that counts bones rolls so i can see how many 5s im rolling % wise

[misty hawk]

can anyone link the wa totals plain rolls?

[worldly shale]

nice joke

how many 5s

🕉️

[copper radish]

can yall stop trolling and just link the damn weak aura please asked countless times today

[worldly shale]

LINK THE AURA

[mighty pivot]

bruh ok

https://wago.io/I9nB9GUcJ

[copper radish]

is it not a weak aura? w/e the fuck it is please someone link it

thank you christ almighty

[frail veldt]

whats the most low hanging fruit for the renown

I need something to do each week that is the highest RoI on my time

so I can eventually get there

[daring oxide]

weekly dungeon

[frail veldt]

cuz passively im not getting any renown

[daring oxide]

do follower dungeon

[fathom bramble]

solo a normal dungeon for the weekly

just walk in and stealth to each boss

[frail veldt]

oooooooo good comms

ty ty ty ty

[daring oxide]

thank loktark too

he said the same thing at the same time

[frail veldt]

ty lok tark

ogar

[daring oxide]

dont leave a brother hanging

I'm so sad

[mighty pivot]

bountiful delves also give 1250 a week but you might need to do 3-4 before you get kareshi rep (it's random)

[daring oxide]

all the patch notes updates for 11.2.5 are related to some reused content 🙁

[frail veldt]

LOL

oh no

ripppppppp

[daring oxide]

why no retail news

always has to be about remix that

remix this

what about remix outlaw please

[mighty pivot]

they kill DISC belt one patch too late

[daring oxide]

i dont see the point of doing remix if they dont add mage tower

i want to get my rapiers

for artifact

[proven ocean]

I’m excited for legion remix

Rapier wont be added back for sure

Maybe recolors

[daring oxide]

sadge

[proven ocean]

Or maybe they might just pull the trigger

[proper veldt]

asking for a friend anyone know whether the ring recraft free upgrade still works

[proven ocean]

U never know

[quiet root]

what is there to do in legion remix? i didn't play the other remix at all (mop i think?)

[mighty pivot]

the rapiers are comically large anyway

[proven ocean]

I dont think so @vivid vessel

[fathom bramble]

it does not

[proper veldt]

sadge oki ty

[proven ocean]

Otherwise his ring would be 710

[proper veldt]

wait

what

718 ilvl

[fathom bramble]

no delve belt 🤔

[proper veldt]

how's that possible

[proven ocean]

He still didnt spend 30 crests

[proper veldt]

[proven ocean]

And he didnt raid this week yet

[fathom bramble]

717 vault slots are very strong

if you get even remotely lucky

[proven ocean]

It sucks for outlaw

Iirc

Well hes 8/8m

So

[worldly shale]

what doesnt suck for outlaw

[proper veldt]

oh man

[quiet root]

more importantly, disc belt has a lower item level

[proper veldt]

need to find me a 1 day ce guild

[quiet root]

and higher item level = better person

[fathom bramble]

true

[worldly shale]

i joined one

and they disbanded 2 weeks in

XD

so now im puggin

[buoyant cosmos]

idk if you are, but do WA's report data back if you want them to?

[proper veldt]

lmfao

[buoyant cosmos]

like being able to average those odds across a lot of people using the WA

[proper veldt]

I wanna try sub tho but idk if I'll ever touch it if I dont have myth netherprism

I cant stand not having the best cuh

[worldly shale]

im the same with woman

i just dont bother

with adventurer women

or veteran

just myth track u know

[strong halo]

I legit get declined 90% of keys by people with lower io than me

[mighty pivot]

report data back where? The closest thing addons can do is communicate with other users of the same addon but the data cannot go outwards from within the game. But this WA was made just to test things out in case LD and SoH had an unexpected interaction (they don't)

[buoyant cosmos]

Back to a server or something, I don't know anything about how deep WA's can go

[worldly shale]

they were all lower

[buoyant cosmos]

It makes sense that it can't call out of the game though

[mighty pivot]

no, addons cannot save data server side. What you have instead is invisible addon communication but it's not the same

[torpid fiber]

Afaik addons in general can't report data back to a server I don't think (this could be wrong, I'm now unsure how AH data works) because of safety reasons

Oh nvm I see how they'd work

Addons trivially must have some save file they can manipulate

[mighty pivot]

AH addons just use the provided API

[buoyant cosmos]

AH stuff is published

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

I also remembered that immediately after

But stuff like the wowhead client must do what I described

It's been ages since I used the wowhead client, maybe I should do that again.

[buoyant cosmos]

I used to use it all the time

[mighty pivot]

yeah for data from outside they are just imported from outside but it's not done live

[torpid fiber]

I used it for secret hunting and then everyone came together to agree that that was stupid as fuck and ruined it, so I stopped using it

It was stupid as fuck btw.

Good call from everyone.

(The specific use case was that you'd run it, and then just fly around places you thought might have the next step of the secret and watch the tracker it has to see if any weird objects loaded)

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't think you'd need all of the data to get a quick average of the rolls if they can just be sussed out by sims, but it's cool to see the variance different people get

[buoyant cosmos]

that's omega brain dead, poor devs spending weeks hiding stuff for you to just fly past it and the addon goes "hey look"

[fathom bramble]

collecting data or getting told by devs what the odds are is how the sims even know what the roll odds are

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, and they responded by making miserable secrets that you couldn't use it for and it was an arms race and no one liked it

[mighty pivot]

in this case we even knew the odds, we just didn't believe them

[fathom bramble]

yeah always worth a sanity check anyway

loaded dice not effecting 5buff chance went unnoticed for a while

[torpid fiber]

And then they made Jenafur and what a mess that was

[mighty pivot]

especially because this was very difficult to track in logs because combat logs and ingame aura events provide different information

[fathom bramble]

or rather the people who noticed didn't check simc

and the people managing simc didn't notice

[buoyant cosmos]

solo asleep at the wheel smh

lock in buddy

[fathom bramble]

I mean the loaded dice 5 buff chance thing was before solos time

I think

[buoyant cosmos]

fair enough

[mighty pivot]

if only there was a way for this information to be visible in game... like a small popup when you mouseover the spell or something

[mellow mica]

[buoyant cosmos]

nobody ever reads the card(tooltip)

[fathom bramble]

that's a good idea

could let players tell what is going on without going to 3rd party sources

[torpid fiber]

If tool tips worked people would complain about them being too long even if it was optional

They should work

[drowsy ridge]

Reading the tooltip explains the tooltip (Except for AR reducing the GCD, but we don't talk about that)

[fathom bramble]

like half our skill have innacurate or incomplete tooltips

[mighty pivot]

I think having extra information while you are holding a modifier key doesn't have any drawbacks. It's not verbose for a quick glance by default, and it doesn't hide info if you need to know more

[buoyant cosmos]

We can't see the RTB buff info in the spellbook right?

[mighty pivot]

their tooltips regressed over the years imo

[drowsy ridge]

Probably not? I was mostly just doing the Reading the Card Explains the card bit, with the one exception

[mighty pivot]

some abilities are ridiculously vague now

[buoyant cosmos]

for sure, I just wish I could see what each one does to remind myself instead of looking them up

[mighty pivot]

and it's not just tooltips. The game fails to give you information on other important things too. Like what you can dodge, what pierces immunities, what counts as aoe for feint. It's basically "figure it out yourself" and it's not always obvious

[fathom bramble]

gotta check spelldata using 3rd party sources to even have a guess

[buoyant cosmos]

I just stand in it and see if I take less damage 🙂

[mighty pivot]

even that is not always enough

[buoyant cosmos]

5head plays

[fathom bramble]

certain tags could definitely just show when you hold alt

Pierces immunity, magic, attack, cannot miss, Area of effect damage

[mighty pivot]

and they have no flag for aoe spells (except one which basically sets a spell to be treated as AoE, but that's a rare one)

[mighty pivot]

exactly this would've been enough

just like they have dispel icons or tank mechanic etc in the dungeon journal

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[mighty pivot]

they have the data, so this could be automated even if spells are changed in a patch

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[fathom bramble]

it should just feed directly from the relevant flags ideally

and not require any messing with after being setup

[mighty pivot]

yup

[fathom bramble]

as long as they don't change what the flags do or add new flags that do the same thing

[mellow mica]

bro

[vapid sundial]

its still so funny to me

[mellow mica]

This image destroyed me

[torpid fiber]

It's so good

[mellow mica]

what must be going through this monk's head

[wintry gate]

#outlaw message

[buoyant cosmos]

Bros literally an Op he's got the phys buff

[mellow mica]

"outlaw "

[buoyant cosmos]

probably wants a FDK

[torpid fiber]

Presumably they wanted sub/sin

[wintry gate]

um

im being denied

as sin right now

on 10s

[buoyant cosmos]

Ross said something about getting rid of sub, was that just to get a feral instead of something

[wintry gate]

no one wants to dealwith restealth bullshit

[dawn talon]

it should be something you can enable i agree

[buoyant cosmos]

Have you listed a 10 to see how fast things fill up lately?

It's also a crazy numbers game to get picked

[dawn talon]

but i actually think wow's presentation of data should be stripped back by default, a lot of new players get confused by things like spell damage variance (where it still exists), damage types, etc, and it stops them from learning actually important things

[wintry gate]

i do full vaults on 3 toons i week i know how it works

but this is my main and its like

oKAY WE DONT WANT U

[buoyant cosmos]

I just start running my own key

[buoyant cosmos]

You could make it a option to enable

hide it a bit so new people can't accidentally turn it on

[torpid fiber]

I feel like the best solution might be to make it an optional setting that shows icons on castbars corresponding to properties of the spell

[round crypt]

so is antenna sim bait or should i take it over cursed stone idol? assuming keys is my main content. It sims higher but idk

[wintry gate]

cursed idol is okay but it does have a channel, if u want to turn brain off

its not great

[torpid fiber]

iirc zac says sim antenna at 20% orb miss rate

[mellow mica]

[torpid fiber]

but also I believe (?) it's good enough for other specs that you might want to consider it there?

don't quote me on this I'd have to check

[round crypt]

naur im pirate for life

ty tho

[mellow mica]

this icon is perfect

lol

[torpid fiber]

[mighty pivot]

for keys I would expect the real orb miss rate to be less than 20%

[dawn talon]

miss rate on orbs if you play around it is lower than 20% in keys

[forest ember]

would I ever recast Blade Flurry if I already had the buff?? and not within like the last 3 seconds, just refresh it yea?

[dawn talon]

but there's def. value to using idol in certain dungeons over antenna

[buoyant cosmos]

it generates combo points with the talent, you use it over SS with 4 or more targets

[forest ember]

Ooooohhhh yeap, i see, thanks

[mighty pivot]

it's visible in logs as well, from zac's last 3 completed dungeons it was like 1%, 15% and 11% miss rate

[worldly shale]

Araz and reroll sub

Easiest sht ever

[mighty pivot]

with a prism ye

[grim spear]

I’ve got a champion track araz

sub just needs the prism

In M+ it’s prism + araz

there’s not much point I guess?

[buoyant cosmos]

Prism is just fun in keys

[grim spear]

[mellow mica]

[grim spear]

I feel like I should take the shoulder

but we’re doing salhadaar this week and sub doesnt need tier shoulder

pants would probably be the best, but then I’d be losing out on 30 gilded

[buoyant cosmos]

get fed a prism this reclear

and blast

[grim spear]

[red zinc]

Araz on sub?

[grim spear]

sub runs araz+prism in keys

[red zinc]

in raid too

Vrazy

[grim spear]

Yeah, true. I saw them using antenna before.

[quaint mauve]

once i get these trinkets

the reroll will happen ig

[proper veldt]

Yeah man a heroic prism sims a 5% increase in dslice on sub for me over heroic Lily

Kinda crazy

I’m not trying sub unless I get it frfr

[keen belfry]

guys?

momma dps?

wrong spec?

[proper veldt]

Huge wtf

[grim spear]

wtf

[proper veldt]

Shadow priest where wtf

[keen belfry]

climbing surely

[dawn talon]

how to post that i did 50m on big momma

[elder phoenix]

what is this like

160p?

[elder phoenix]

isnt sub the best rogue spec rn

[daring oxide]

@keen belfry

was the outcome of the DPS race

[keen belfry]

nevefr happened yet

[daring oxide]

im praying for your success

dont let me down awang god

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1414665389387812894/Medal_C4Uj07vvCl.gif

dont do this either

you'll lose otherwise

[zinc briar]

dont even want to cap with rogue

[daring oxide]

relax guy

outlaw is fine (needs buffs) but its fine

[zinc briar]

bro i suck i dimensius

[daring oxide]

go play BM or frost dk or fury warrior

[zinc briar]

i suck in st

[daring oxide]

heroic or mythic?

[zinc briar]

heroic reclear

but some day ill have to do it in mm

[daring oxide]

meh

outlaw is dead in heroic tbh

[zinc briar]

and in mm

just 3 aoe bosses

and not the best

[grim spear]

tbh there is only 1 aoe boss in this tier

[mighty pivot]

clicking recap will always be the best part of this 🕉️

[zinc briar]

and soon ill have to do nexus king

how can i do nexus king as outlaw

is the most trolling specc by far

and u said need some buffs hahaha

dont u notice that outlaw is a forgotten clas?

0 prio damage, 0 st damage, 0 big aoe damage

where are we good?¿

[dawn talon]

pirate rp contest

[tender wedge]

World content

Delves

[quaint mauve]

bro

[tender wedge]

Tmog

[quaint mauve]

i hate school

i wish i can play wow all day

and night

24/7

[red zinc]

school?

[quaint mauve]

yeah school

[dawn talon]

well

this is not true either

lol

[red zinc]

oldest outlaw player

[quaint mauve]

[dawn talon]

it's more like

youngest non outlaw player

ngl

[zinc briar]

if u are young, trust me, stop playing outlaw

[tender wedge]

How is outlaw not good for world content 🤔

[quaint mauve]

i love it tho

[zinc briar]

rip

to late

[quaint mauve]

i play warrior and dh to :)

dabbled in priest

even rdruid

heh…

i’ve played like every class except for 3

paladin mage and shaman

are all below 80

[dawn talon]

bf bug makes doing old content ass, having to use vanish at the end of your gcd is annoying tedium nobody else has to deal with, and we're the only melees without relevant sustain built into our kit

i just do world content on my feral druid

[tender wedge]

Ok I’ll buy the vanish thing because I’m sick to death of mobs resetting

[pearl topaz]

Yeah and it's not just in world it's all solo content

[grim spear]

tbh all three specs are terrible

[dawn talon]

sub feels rly good in open world stuff

[grim spear]

we’ve got a designer who asks us for feedback but never actually listens.

[dawn talon]

u should try fire if u like outlaw

not this tier

bc it's ass

but like

any other tier

[tender wedge]

I can’t stand fire tbh dunno why I like outlaw

[tender wedge]

When did this happen

[buoyant cosmos]

Is feral still kinda nuts?

[keen belfry]

something very unlucky has to happen to lose no cap

[grim spear]

this

[keen belfry]

after the #s ive seen on stream

[buoyant cosmos]

she's been sandbagging you

[keen belfry]

we literally already have done a key together 😢

[buoyant cosmos]

all part of the plan

[dawn talon]

feral is rly insane in the spots where it's good

[buoyant cosmos]

I should have said to play, not just it's damage

[dawn talon]

oh, i always think feral is fun

so im probably not the best judge of that

[buoyant cosmos]

It's got a flow

not zzz like assa iirc

[dawn talon]

feral outside of cds is still doing something

and that's fun

[buoyant cosmos]

I think it's just better to take a feral in phys rn than any yellow spec too

[dawn talon]

sub is competitive

[buoyant cosmos]

gotcha

[frail veldt]

Oh yeah what bf bug is this i always forget

[buoyant cosmos]

If you oneshot something it doesn't proc BF

or is it different than that

[fathom bramble]

killing blows are not properly copied by BF ever since they fixed BF hitting corpses

[frail veldt]

Oh so a kill by BF doesn't count as a tag?

[fathom bramble]

no, BF just doesn't happen if you kill something with a hit that should trigger it

so in low content where you oneshot everything BF just never cleaves

[frail veldt]

Aaaaaaaah

That's dumb

[buoyant cosmos]

it's super annoying

but hook is based for getting around as FB

so I just stay outlaw

[tender wedge]

Until you need to hook through a tiny bump

And it fizzles but goes on cd

[buoyant cosmos]

At least you get a pity charge from that talent

I got gripped while hooking in a BG next to a cliff and pulled under the map

I died under the map and kept getting DC'd until the release timer went off

[fathom bramble]

at least they don't make hook snap in instances

they really need to disable that 'feature' everywhere else too though

[buoyant cosmos]

whats the snapping?

I'm sure I've experienced it, just dunno what it is lol

[fathom bramble]

when hook fires and fails to pull you but still goes on CD

[buoyant cosmos]

Ohh

just whiffing

I heard if you jump and do it at the same time it'll always break

[fathom bramble]

it happens only in the open world and only when a piece of terrain or an object blocks the hooks line of sight even when it is an object that does not normally block LOS

[buoyant cosmos]

while you're moving up

vs at or after the apex

[fathom bramble]

jumping or being taller is something that specifically lowers the chance of it snapping

sort of

[buoyant cosmos]

So tauren rogue is the move

[fathom bramble]

yes

tauren hooks won't snap in some situations where something like dwarf or goblin would

the biggest trigger for it is just the normal terrain of the game since it doesn't block normal los, but can snap hooks

[strong halo]

bro last season i was invited all the time

[copper radish]

in a +10 streets and its me a resto sham and 3 wars LOL

[sonic pawn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[stiff vector]

lmao adds die so fucking fast now on soulbinder

[thorny spruce]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/44?boss=3131&class=Rogue

Outlaw on top on loom? I didn't expect to see that haha

[fluid iron]

yeh nerf outlaw

[frail veldt]

Lol I thought you meant on top

Not on top(for rogue)

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf !

[frail veldt]

That is some crazy high roll though

[gaunt phoenix]

no sleight and not even doing the fatebound tech

Big TC is lying to you

[frail veldt]

Truuuu

[frank finch]

looks fishy ?

[torpid fiber]

I think they just got insanely lucky rolls

[tender wedge]

Longer kill time than most of those other top logs so assume extended amp as well

[grim spear]

98.93% RP

[stiff vector]

my rng definitely aint high roll tn thats for sure

[past sky]

i tried out sin on the weekend but i only lasted a couple of hours because i missed grapple too much

im lost without it

[buoyant cosmos]

He posted about it

[quaint mauve]

if you didn’t parse week 1 , gg for you

[junior coral]

were cutting Thief vers for SoH, aye?

if you wanted to try it for keys

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[forest ember]

Cloak doing 7% of the damage! that new rep buff is kinda lit

[frank finch]

that doesnt buff the cloak

[forest ember]

Ooooo yea my bad, read the tooltip wrong

[tight kernel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif?ex=68c318f1&is=68c1c771&hm=f1334483c7b62722908d21bdca0561e3e780a43cf1b2bf78e8cebc826b98e6aa&=

[stiff vector]

my character legit feels bugged on mythic loomithar or something its actually crazy

[torpid heath]

same

[stiff vector]

rng event felt decent and I look up and my boss dmg is just shit somehow like HUH

[torpid heath]

same

[stiff vector]

like something definitely just felt off, any other time my rng is at least decent like that, im doing like 5.5m+

[gaunt phoenix]

There is a bug with fatebound coins a bit

You will see in logs you had like 214 tails buff instances but like 208 hits

seems some tails coins do get lost to the void

assuming the buff log is logged correctly

idk game sucks

[stiff vector]

actually ye now that I look at it, that might be it

I also had like...WAY more heads procs than tails which I feell ike is definitely quite unusual itself too

like my ace rng+buff rng was fairly decent, definitely not high roll or anything but I should have 100% been doing way more damage with that rng from when ive done the b4 boss whether it was heroic o r mythic

[thorny spruce]

hahaha if only

[stiff vector]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pLvRygWhFPxAQr8k?fight=22&type=damage-done&source=136 look how low my coin dmg is lol

shit is 100% bugged af

wtf man

also why does details buffs for the coins look so diff from logs. Like obv details tracks activations+refreshes but theres such a huge diff between # of procs on logs vs details

[gaunt phoenix]

Details is wrong

this particular log just looks like extremely shit tails rng

[stiff vector]

at least to my memory, I have never done anywhere remotely close to that bad of coin dmg

not saying I played like 110% perfectly the whole fight or anything but just played like I normally do and had fairly decent buff/ace rng and I look at the meters and im like ???? wtf

[royal ermine]

bro soh build is 👌

almost perma 5 buff on loom

[gaunt phoenix]

[royal ermine]

I HECKIN LOVE GAMBLING

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe my luck is slightly below par

plain 2 buff looks good though

[stiff vector]

where tf is my rng on loom

[pearl topaz]

has there been a change or something in the past fortnight, because things feel fine with my dmg windows etc but like just WAY down compared to earlier weeks rankwise

[stiff vector]

ur coin dmg on that log is also a bit on the low side too

[gaunt phoenix]

full RP and TB in amp

well full everything in amp

[tight egret]

Solo, what's that WA?

I'm trying the sleight build

[gaunt phoenix]

https://wago.io/I9nB9GUcJ

[tight egret]

Thanks

[dull geyser]

is our ST juts kinda cheeks right now?

[tender wedge]

Depends, did you high roll? :0

But seriously it’s not great

[analog fog]

yea tank dmg is expected

[keen belfry]

gj tn

[stiff vector]

I just hit the dummy for like 20 min to try and bring some of my sanity back

and I think my rng might just be giga cursed tn

holy fuck

[next wedge]

i have felt a little bugged tbh

but i think im washed

ik im fb for araz but still

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/B2vXp3aWhFJC9ztx?fight=8&type=damage-done

my dmg just feels ultra low

[stiff vector]

idk something just deifnitely does not feel right about FB rn

[keen belfry]

bad procs

[stiff vector]

like noticeably compared to raid just like last week

[next wedge]

should i be holding KS for adds drops?

[next wedge]

agreed

[stiff vector]

like I just did a random pug first few heroic bosses I think it was monday or sunday night IIRC because I wanted to test the new spell effect visual aura that like changes the command manually via console command when you enter raid(since apparently thats the only way it works rn) and the group was giga shit and the attempt on Loomithar lasted basically as long as the fight lasts on mythic

and I was doing like 5.5-6m on both pulls

all 3? pulls we did on loom tn on mythic, my damage was legitimately like....20%+ lower than that

[torpid heath]

Same

did 4.7m 🙁

[stiff vector]

I think before wiping on the first 2 attempts I was somewhere around 4.4-4.5 and the kill was 4.8

like im pretty sure I did more dmg week 1

???

[torpid heath]

last week did 5.2

[next wedge]

ok im glad im not insane

[torpid heath]

my coins dmg were low asf

[prisma sapphire]

can you grapple through the black hole on forge

[next wedge]

yes

[prisma sapphire]

thanks

[next wedge]

if u mean the place where u spawn adds

[prisma sapphire]

yea

[next wedge]

yea

[prisma sapphire]

if you have it and you wanna stay on boss til last second

[stiff vector]

ye I mean I cant be going insane here or something, since it was like that on all 3 loom pulls tn and Ive never seen anyone log this tier where coin dmg was THAT far behind BTE on logs whilst abusing the coin tech

[drifting inlet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/YxJaVwftN1KLdvqk/YxJaVwftN1KLdvqk?fight=34&type=damage-done&start=7851185%2C8137523&end=8082843%2C8369482&source=63%2C63

did i just lowroll on the kill vs the previous pull or did i do something wrong i wasnt noticing

[frail veldt]

Did you win @keen belfry

[fathom whale]

whatre peoples overalls lookin like for dawn? its a very stop/start dungeon, not sure if i need to be rolling better or saving rolls between packs/flying around

[stiff vector]

looks mostly just like BS uptime diff leading to more finishers casted in same amount of time on left, and looks like you also had much better Ace rng on left as well

otherwise looks pretty normal, just rng diff

[drifting inlet]

darn

[smoky lotus]

you know its the kill pull when you have bad rng

[buoyant cosmos]

Got to find that .05

[raven sundial]

uh, why is sim doing low combo point coup da grace

[gaunt phoenix]

it sends coup early if you have to press ss

so you dont waste potential unseen blades

[buoyant cosmos]

found it

[raven sundial]

[small crescent]

7m here, yeah the pacing sucks - streets also sucks

Outlaw needs to maintain momentum

[dreamy holly]

outlaw in dawnbreaker is cursed

[frank finch]

can i cloak ghosts on saladking?

[random stirrup]

Nop

[fathom bramble]

most you can do is soak an extra circle with cloak if you gain a stack

[random stirrup]

yea but it needs to be the tank soak second

You’ll die solo soaking with the tank first without external and you’ll die to group soak with the debuff without cloak iirc

[fathom bramble]

if you are running elusiveness(I was) then you live the 2nd one with feint+evasion

since cheat doesn't save you in P1 it is much less valuable imo

live the 2nd one when it is the group one that is

[frail veldt]

so I missed 6 orbs right?

so like an 11% miss rate?

thats not awful

[frank finch]

iirc 10% miss rate is about what u want on last 2 bosses

[buoyant cosmos]

zac shared his uptime on dimi earlier

I think it was like 20% overall uptime for antenna and prism

[frail veldt]

this was a key lol

[frank finch]

should be the same for keys

[hoary wave]

OUTLAW!!!!

[frigid turret]

so like when im on a target dummy i feel like i do things semi correctly

but when im in a key it all goes down the drain and my priority list is on shuffle

by far the hardest thing ive ever done in wow is try and learn this spec

[fallen mural]

ya its tough especially if people in your pug are not prio targeting. Then youll have 1 add left with a Fton of hp.

[quaint mauve]

calm down

breath

[fluid meadow]

any speed enjoyer?

[frail veldt]

then slam a redbull, put on some eurobeat, and blast

[quaint mauve]

you need to hop on smelling salts too

part of my pre-key

hit it right after pressing KS

[keen belfry]

didnt play tn

[frail veldt]

dangt

[safe pasture]

is there a good way to review my logs to see if im like missing globals or something

feel like im missing out on damage really hard and not sure where

[formal veldt]

debating grabbing myth helm with socket over wep upgrade, as the sims are as shown. but even though sims say its better to get the helm from vault, wouldnt weapon be a better choice regardless?

[thin fiber]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[strong halo]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[bright crane]

no i like meth sry

[muted crest]

How do you guys get invited to pugs mythic first2... I feel hopeless as an outlaw

[thorn river]

Apply as sub/assa, change when entered

[muted crest]

Woow h4ckerman

[vivid vessel]

OK

[haughty moat]

OK

[vivid vessel]

-9 we are almost there guys

Buffs in 2 resets

[bright crane]

Naaahhh

Mage rework first

Don’t get it twisted

[vivid vessel]

No!

It's almost outlaw time

Keep going guys

[sand berry]

boomie buff #2 first

[vivid vessel]

Keep going

[bright crane]

Calling it now next rogue related change

Will just be to fix w/e is bugged with sin

Nothing else

Mark my words

[wintry solar]

Id be surprised any rogue spec would get any sort of change

Bug fix maybe

Tuning sure

[desert tendon]

popo is kinda cute

[wintry solar]

Thank youuuu

[desert tendon]

dont u guys agree?

[wintry solar]

Censi is cute too

[solar shell]

What best enchants for raid, with buff now?

[desert tendon]

Popo i 100%'d silksong. The only 2 challenge i miss is finish the game in steel soul mod AND 100% in steel soul mod

i ll do that later

[wintry solar]

My work week ended. I'm at around 67% of the twilight princess rando

The poe soul collecting is crazy

[desert tendon]

Also you like randomizer, you should watch the latest mario odyssey from smallant. He get abilities as he s getting moons. which means he can have no jump or capi at some point in the run. Very fun very softlockable

[wintry solar]

That's pretty wild ngl

Watching rn

[vivid vessel]

For outlaw a 704 socket belt was already better lol idk

[fathom bramble]

wasn't even close last time I simmed it

guess I should check more

[vivid vessel]

I think it just sucks for the law

And I like illvl more even if it's neutral

I feel like a pretty girl

[wintry solar]

Do you feel bonita?

[frigid cloud]

guys dose outlaw better in ST than assassination ?

[agile orchid]

no

[frigid turret]

does it aoe better than assassination?

[agile orchid]

no

[frigid turret]

BOMBOCLAT WELCOME TO OUTLAW

[frigid cloud]

in M+ nope lol

[vivid vessel]

It's like even

If your sin has CDs on pull he will do the same damage on average

If there is 0 funnel

[frigid turret]

i deal such pepega damage for my ilvl, i have semi rainbow stats but i swear it feels like stats mean so much less on outlaw than they do on other specs

[vivid vessel]

If you add funnel you lose

[agile orchid]

but outlaw is op on soul hunters, we can't buff it

[frigid turret]

is there any way for me to sim what damage i would do with different stats without going in and just adding a different piece of gear for every slot im a noob on raidbots

[vivid vessel]

It's not even

Considering our only niche, and consider how strong pc is

It's actually laughable how "bad" we are on soul hunter

[hardy wigeon]

Simmed my gear and it suggests I craft haste/vers ring even though I have 22% haste

What the helly

[torpid fiber]

would it be replacing a ring with more haste?

[hardy wigeon]

Also ST damage feels so low in m+ its criminal

[hardy wigeon]

No that’s the thing lol

[vivid vessel]

You are probably simming wrong

Or looking at your stats in stealth in ho

Or using haste flask in-game but vers in sims

Or whatever the fuck else

[hardy wigeon]

Idk

[agile orchid]

I find it funny how careful they are when tuning rogue to make sure they are not top tier

[hardy wigeon]

I try again later but it’s cooked

[agile orchid]

frost dk getting reworked and being strong? eh

outlaw getting KS reworked? we must nerf the shit out of it before release

we can't have an outlaw meta

[silk stirrup]

Just go for like 17% haste and vers/crit go brrr

Avoid all mastery

That's it

[agile orchid]

we can buff the shit out of ele shaman to make it top tier, but we have to be careful when buffing rogue

[vivid vessel]

I find it funny how much they over nerfed it

[rotund zodiac]

Devs don’t want more players to get carpal tunnel

[vivid vessel]

And then had to buff the spec by like 20 % on ptr

And it was still not enough

Just nuked the spec into oblivion

Nerfed the damage profile twice aswell

Just for added funnsies

[agile orchid]

to be fair I understand them not wanting people having to channel a spell every 12 seconds

on a supposedly fast paced spec

but still

[rotund zodiac]

They care about our health so they keep nerfing it

[silk stirrup]

I hate the new KS btw

Feels so shit to press

[agile orchid]

I didn't even expect them to add a channel to KS to be fair

I thought it would just be a fire and forget button

[rotund zodiac]

Channeling is bad for outlaw

[agile orchid]

eh not always

the new KS gives you a break also is a nice way for you to regain energy

but for how long the channel is it should fucking blast

[frigid turret]

i have like 16k help

[hardy wigeon]

I love channeling abilities so much I got myself a channeling trinket as well

[agile orchid]

I have yet to see that trinket drop for me

[hardy wigeon]

I had insane loot rng on my rogue, but id love to replace that stupid trinket ngl

[frigid turret]

oh how much i would love a weakaura to show like an aura around the middle of my screen for things like FTH procs, BTE resets, coupe de grace etc

my eyes are way too glued to my weakaura to perform well

[quaint mauve]

i really like the sound WAs

[safe pasture]

You can make those really easy

[frigid turret]

bro i found an aura that actually shows the things i need to see but why is it stylized like its 1622 and im about to go drink ale at the local tavern

[frigid turret]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[safe pasture]

Go into weak aura go to create new go to premade then like logo or whatever it is

Then go to buffs find your buff

Click option you want and boom weak aura then move it to where you want

I use it for things like bf coming up , fan procs etc so I ain’t gota be mad distracted and when I use it they go away so it’s like a little mini whack a mole

[torpid fiber]

My trick is I make all my WA glows different colours

[safe pasture]

How do you add the glow ? Never figured that part out for my own

[torpid fiber]

you add triggers and then you set up the conditions and one of the things you can make conditions do is toggle glows, and then you make a custom glow with the colour you want

My pistol shot actually has two different glows, one for "you have stacks" and one for "you should use stacks"

[safe pasture]

I’ll have to mess with it sounds pretty nicr

[torpid fiber]

Imo the easiest way to understand how stuff works is grab a weakaura pack and poke around at the internals

[frigid turret]

iinnnttterresting

[torpid fiber]

also make stuff yourself to understand that! Tinkering around is the best way to learn.

Whenever I get annoyed at my weakauras I fix whatever I was annoyed at

[frigid turret]

bruh ive never done this before this sounds like a whole day of me sitting here trying to figure out the best way to show the information the way my brain notices it the best but lowkey outlaw might propell itself to INSANE levels of fun if i put in the time

[safe pasture]

Ya it will atleast help a lot with the basic stuff

[torpid fiber]

Do you have any prior programming experience? Even if you don't use custom code, ime that helps a bit with logic

[frigid turret]

can either one of you send me theirs to maybe use as comparison a little? the public ones use too many icons i want a bunch of different version of basically this type of aura in different colors and sizes

[torpid fiber]

I use a modified luxthos set which I suspect is very much not what you're looking for lol

I went "what if luxthos was even more visually overwhelming"

[torpid fiber]

oh shit I'll boot up my pc soon then, just got home

[frigid turret]

MY GOAT

i will credit you when i reach the top as outlaw

[torpid fiber]

Fwiw I also won't take any offence if you don't like mine

(oh and they don't support Hidden Opportunity builds properly, I should note that. It'd still work but the pistol shot logic would be borked)

[safe pasture]

I’m in bed but basically I just made a ghetto set up that shows your main builders when available and when you use them they disappear they are central to the screen so you can quickly make a decision on what you want to use based on what’s available

[frigid turret]

i dont play hidden opportunity but if i ever will ill deal with that when it comes to it

[safe pasture]

I put builders on the left side spenders on the right

[frigid turret]

does that include fth procs and stuff?

[safe pasture]

Yes

It will only show if they have procs for fth otherwise nothing

[quaint mauve]

guys 🙂

sub has to be harder than outlaw idk man

i can’t do dmg

[frigid turret]

feels like that snappy decision making needs good information availability but i look at shindig and bro just wings it and does my aoe dps in cleave

[frigid turret]

i crafted a dagger and a sword im commited to playing both until im satisfied with either one being my new love child and then i disregard responibilites until i can call myself the undisputed goat

[torpid fiber]

isn't sub with a sword really bad

[quaint mauve]

can you even play it

with sword

[safe pasture]

Sub is just better I’m pretty sure rn by far but outlaw def more fun

[quaint mauve]

i swear backstab is dagger only

[frigid turret]

the sword is for outlaw

the dagger for sub

[quaint mauve]

there’s nothing fun abt sitting in decline simulator

[safe pasture]

That’s why I just brick my own keys like a chad

[quaint mauve]

i do like 1 key a day and it’s not by choice

[safe pasture]

Nothin like being in a 16 ara getting told how much your damage sucks by some dude who died 4 times

[quaint mauve]

when my tank kites first boss to narnia and asks why it’s taking so long

[torpid fiber]

hopefully this works, i use this + the unseen blade tracker in bot commands
https://wago.io/pUjlmmxNT

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[torpid fiber]

the unseen blade tracker there is p much required to play trickster properly

[safe pasture]

Wait is there like conscious optimization around it ? I’m ngl I haven’t had that at all

I just been sendin shit

[torpid fiber]

yeah

you prio SS over all other gcd builders if you have UB up and coup isn't up

[safe pasture]

Oh sheeeet

[torpid fiber]

being able to properly know when you'll have coup is also really nice

although the 2p fucks with that a tad

[safe pasture]

Is that why mfs have so much more coups than me over dispatched I legit thought I was just cooked and they were spending all their time in stealth windows on god

[torpid fiber]

you don't coup in stealth windows + don't vanish with coup active

there's a bunch of trickster opts

[reef ruin]

I cant see this antenna shit in raid I'm too old to play outlul

[safe pasture]

Ye ye I know but like when I have no stealth no beteeen the eyes and no ks I dispatch as filler so on my breakdowns I got way more disp than most others logs so I figured they just managed their stealth windows way better and never really hit disp lol

Way more disp than coups I should say

[torpid fiber]

yeah that happens

do you have 4p?

[safe pasture]

Yee

[torpid fiber]

idk it's just a play thing at the end of the day

outlaw is hard and the more you play it the more you just enter flow

[safe pasture]

Yaa im just tryna optimize it more like im not total ass but when wox is putting up 9.3 ara and im hitting like 7.2 on a good day something big going wrong I feel so I’m just like tryna crack the code (other than him just being better lol )

Stated good and everything too so in theory I should be able to do closer than what I am I’m pretty sure

[torpid fiber]

do u play with a phys comp

[safe pasture]

Ya I try to as much as I can

At minimum been grabbing a war sham most times

[vivid vessel]

its going down no?

@proven ocean

soon

[cedar kernel]

[vivid vessel]

[cedar kernel]

zac try this

i cast 86 feints in a 10+

feiny issue

[still matrix]

it was actually lower last week

i saw for 2.5

i should have bought

might buy at the end of the month when prices are then ideally lower..

but i reckon it'll stay above 1.5 for a while

my sims tell me to buy the crit/vers belt

[vivid vessel]

Well heroic

The mythic ring has never been 2.5 lol

Or well I'm looking at the full vers one

I want that one for flex points

[still matrix]

only 4.5mil bro just send it

boost some 16 keys and you got it insta lol

[daring oxide]

Is the full vers one going to be worse?

[pearl topaz]

how much difference are people finding going sleight and loaded

[vivid vessel]

Ye seems like it's the one that cost the most for some reason

But well

One stated seems so rare

Idk

There isn't many if any

Don't think the prices will ever go down really

[red zinc]

Bunch of voice actors leaving at blizzard because they apparently have to sign clauses that allows blizzard to use AI to replicate their voices

Great company

“Our models already look uncanny lets make the voices sound fake too”

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble 714 belt is neutral

[worldly shale]

i mean

this kinda banger

[vivid vessel]

Ye not bad

But idk

I want a full vers one

Looks better

It's almost 10k vers bro

Goes crazy

[worldly shale]

:OOOOOOOOOOOOO

[red zinc]

Spending buncha mills to lose to 710 bm hunter

[worldly shale]

GET 2

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

Uh, is that price real or

I'm confused

[worldly shale]

nope

4.5

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[fathom bramble]

do not get 2

[worldly shale]

mby old

[vivid vessel]

Why does tour addon put up random prices

It never was 2.5 mil

[fathom bramble]

the boe is unique equipped

[worldly shale]

auctionator idk

ask him

[vivid vessel]

It's fake idk

Are you eu?

[worldly shale]

yup

kazzak

[vivid vessel]

If you ever see one under 3 mil ping me

Or buy it I will give you a 100k commission no cap

[red zinc]

nah im reselling it to you for 3.2 bud

[fathom bramble]

worth it for the stam

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

But idk lowest I have seen for now is 4.5

[worldly shale]

lemme check

[vivid vessel]

Worth it cause my ilvl goes up

[worldly shale]

undermine

[vivid vessel]

So I feel better

[fathom bramble]

that too

[red zinc]

Bigger number better person

[vivid vessel]

Like I'm about to be 719 soon

[fathom bramble]

I took items specifically for sub so my real ilvl is low now

[vivid vessel]

That will go crazy

I can be 719 this week actually

[fathom bramble]

at least dim isn't an infinite prog boss though so I'm free in like a week

[vivid vessel]

If I get slightly lucky in reclear and get the neck

[red zinc]

I dont even have 1 char above 710

[vivid vessel]

And buy the ring maybe

[red zinc]

Gearing alts too fun

[vivid vessel]

Idk if I need to buy the ring to go 719

Maybe

I'm close I think

Oh ye if I get soul hunter boots also

Which is quite likely to happen tbf

The drop rate on these things is crazy

[worldly shale]

4.44 on tarren mill XD

im going through realms

while drinking tea

its fun

surely someone got juked

by the addon?

no?

like o hey its 2.5

and he puts it for 2.5

[vivid vessel]

Idk I just check wowpay2win from time to time

Never seen it under 4.5

For now

[cinder haven]

Thank God for that though

[red zinc]

Drop rate is crazy and still aint got one on 4 different characters

Those things better be in dinar vendor

[worldly shale]

doesnt seem to be scanning all the realms, im doing it manually and went past like 6 rings

pay2win has like 2

[normal forge]

is this the mythic version?

[vivid vessel]

714 yess

[proven ocean]

Idk

[vivid vessel]

In mythic?

[proven ocean]

Is it avoid or

[worldly shale]

yup

ive seen alot at like 6.5

[proven ocean]

It’ll drop alot imo

[worldly shale]

5

on random realms

im just browsing on undermine exchange

[vivid vessel]

Full vers tho?

[worldly shale]

yuuuuuuuuup

im searching by

[vivid vessel]

Weird

[worldly shale]

name

[vivid vessel]

Wonder why the website isn't catching them

Hmge

[worldly shale]

i mean

it doesnt matter when they are

more expensive

BUT

WHAT IF

here

look

[proven ocean]

Fake info

[worldly shale]

OH WAIT

IM COOKED

FK

i didnt actually check

if its vers

or

is adaptable

always vers?

[vivid vessel]

Ye

That's what I said noob

Can be any stat

And combination of stat

That's why

[worldly shale]

nooo

[vivid vessel]

It's rare type shit

[worldly shale]

thats entropy

[vivid vessel]

Haha

[worldly shale]

every adaptable is vers on kazzak

hmmm

[vivid vessel]

I think they have the same name if they are vers + x no?

Idk

[worldly shale]

nope

they are all raw vers

just checked each one

so like

6

are all full vers

coincidence?

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

Hm

[red zinc]

Ross that is a crazy thing to change pfp to today of all days

no more mouse

[vivid vessel]

Wild day for the world

Average day for the americans

[dense bolt]

imagine being so rich u can buy a ring for half the goldcap

[red zinc]

I bought myth boe in s3 for like 600

never anything else

[vivid vessel]

Ye cuh

That's 2 keys boost

Easy enough

[red zinc]

did you do any title boosting last season

or nah

[vivid vessel]

Ye

We boosted a 21 dfc for 3 mil cut each person

[red zinc]

wtf where was my friend discount

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel you can get 999% vers on legion remix your wet dream

three nines yes

You still take damage though no clue how that works

[proven ocean]

I spent over 15m last season

On boe’s

[vivid vessel]

What de helly

[red zinc]

999 rank talent, 1% vers each

And they got rid of all DR / hard caps

[vivid vessel]

So you take 500% less damage ?

[cedar kernel]

my dmg is very high rn

since solo found my issue

i have confidence to push with outlaw again

and ninjarobotcat

[junior coral]

What was the issue

[cedar kernel]

i forgot theres a thing that i should press bte out of stealth