outlaw

[mossy shell]

But now I have targeting macros thanks to Zac

And focus kick

[proven ocean]

its called skill

[flint pivot]

I mean, I would've 💀

[flint pivot]

Perfectly shadowstep .1s too soon

[keen belfry]

floor pov right??? remembner????

[proven ocean]

nah

[slate forge]

Sandbagging for buffs smh

[proven ocean]

100% would've never happened

[stiff vector]

I remember playing like frogger, backyard baseball, original Runescape and some other hella dumb games on my 1st PC when I was like 10-12(this was pre WoW, upgraded to a IMac when I was playing WoW). But I mean this was like the years 2002-2004 so not like there was really many sick games or computers out there

[proven ocean]

i saw the debuff timer

besides

it also stunned

[daring oxide]

ooo which macros?

[proven ocean]

so u had to pre cloak

door of shadows

on the perfect timer

and instant shadowstep

[flint pivot]

gamer

[mossy shell]

Sorry that’s proprietary

[vivid vessel]

Gg

It's goated right

[daring oxide]

Nessa is paywalling macros you gave to them, take a cut

[slate forge]

Tab kick target last target chat gpt probably can do it tbh

[vivid vessel]

I wish these target macros worked like tab target things

[daring oxide]

what macros, share!

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[vivid vessel]

So you could have a priority system based on order

[daring oxide]

!macros

[vivid vessel]

Unfortunately it doesn't

[mossy shell]

You actually can put tab in a macro

It could be more advanced

@orchid aspen made one for me

[stiff vector]

I guess you could technically make a prio system with a macro and tab if you put it on like a cast sequence or some shit? Idk not sure

[keen belfry]

#showtooltip Kick
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kick
/targetlasttarget

isnt it like, this

[vivid vessel]

Nah but I just mean if you have a
/Target goliath
/Target dude

It will always target goliath even if Goliath is litteraly not on your scrren

Like I wish it could be half smart and pick stuffs in front of you and shit

Would go crazy

[mossy shell]

Similar

Not quite

I don’t have it I’m not at my computer

[arctic hollow]

#showtooltip
/use [@focus,nodead,harm]Kick
/stopmacro [@focus,nodead,harm]
/use [@mouseover,harm]Kick
/stopmacro [@mouseover,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/use Kick
/tar focus
/clearfocus
/startattack

[stiff vector]

I mean there are usually only a small handful of mobs in a dungeon that you would want to prio. I suppose you could make some kind of cast seq macro or something that rotates between the like 3 or 4 mobs in the dungeon you put in it, but you would need a seperate macro for each dungeon I guess

[mossy shell]

I carefully ordered them to work through the dungeon and had some success. Some dungeons are good some are bad. It works perfectly in eco and halls.

[trail cove]

Do we need to have full CP when we use coup de grâce ? Or do I use it on CD ?

[vivid vessel]

Ye but that's cause all the shards are dead after a bit

[keen belfry]

i just set focus ever pull idk

[vivid vessel]

And then you target something else

[mossy shell]

No, you can send coup if you would otherwise use SS.

[gaunt phoenix]

you try to build CPs but you send it early if you have to press SS

[keen belfry]

if my focus isnt casting its not my kick

[mossy shell]

I think there’s something to be said for not building CPs ever for the second coup

To cram more finishers into the damage amp with your proc

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes if vanish is ready then i send it early anyway

[mossy shell]

You wanna get past the coup asap to start stuff

Yea

[gaunt phoenix]

just to get into vanish sooner

[mossy shell]

It gives 12 seconds right?

And coup is how long

1.6 seconds?

[gaunt phoenix]

coup is 1.0s

[mossy shell]

So if you build into second coup you are looking at like 8 seconds maybe a little more

Not long enough for subterfuge and KS

I’d rather send coup and get everything in the amp ya

[keen belfry]

what if u dont have ks up tho

plenty time for subterfuge!

[mossy shell]

If you have nothing after the coup then build.

[keen belfry]

i like pressing BF before 2nd coup cuz u basically jsut get BF back

i also like sending big coups idk

[stiff vector]

ye I will usually press BF for 2nd coup if its up

[strong halo]

Is Subterfuge our highest dps window still?

[stiff vector]

in aoe

[mossy shell]

Damage window?

Outlaw has a damage window?

[strong halo]

Like vs double coup

KEK

[mossy shell]

I think any finisher other than a raw dispatch is the damage window

[quiet root]

same

[quiet root]

and same

[keen belfry]

i do vibes stuff for law sometimes

[quiet root]

so nice to watch the cd on everything go down by that much

[stiff vector]

I am just a dmg bot, idk what these "damage windows" are...you mean some people only do damage in certain windows?

I just hit mob

[keen belfry]

have u guys ever sent a PS at non ps times cuz it was gonna timeout

i have

for vibes

i want my gun shooting

[strong halo]

sometimes i fat finger and send BTE at 2 combo points

[stiff vector]

gotta make sure the gun doesnt build up carbon and have it harden from not shooting it in a while frfr

sometimes you just gotta let that thang go

[keen belfry]

yes

[stiff vector]

even if it isnt time to PS

[cinder haven]

For 2fth apl sends ps if opp is timing out

[keen belfry]

thats sick

apl must be watchaing awang

[cinder haven]

But it doesn’t matter much

[mossy shell]

Blizzard is here for you and instantly refunds you 6 combo points for the mistake ❤️

[cinder haven]

1fth doesn’t like it tho

[quiet root]

just get the ace proc and it was correct

[keen belfry]

i do it 1fth tob

[mossy shell]

1fth is gross

[stiff vector]

it is rly awk when you miss the opp proc by like 0.1s tho and you shoot your gun expecting bang bang bang and then you only get this rly weak ass bang

[strong halo]

HO is gross...

[stiff vector]

and thne I just tell ppl they saw nothing

[mossy shell]

Assa rogue take

[keen belfry]

wait nessa playes 2fth no gs no kir

[mossy shell]

Fake outlaw

[keen belfry]

nessa

are you griefing us

[strong halo]

HO IS LEGIT ASSAS GAMEPLAY

[keen belfry]

wait nvm u might be helping us get a buff

[mossy shell]

Awang just play a key w me and we will see

[stiff vector]

wait should we all start playing HO no gs

[keen belfry]

we did a HOA together nessa

it was gapplebees

[mossy shell]

Sounds fake

[mighty pivot]

this looks like a verbose version of targetlasttarget for the second part (and attempts to kick dead mouseover targets)

[quiet root]

nessa is the most based outlaw i think

[keen belfry]

we legit did hoa with squish group!!!!

[strong halo]

AWANG GAPPED BY HO?

[keen belfry]

i gapped

xd

[strong halo]

proof or it didnt happen

[mossy shell]

Are you online rn awang

[keen belfry]

i think i won by like 1.1mil overall dps xd!

[strong halo]

@mossy shell did 13M overall trust

[quaint wharf]

[keen belfry]

im working for a bit longer

[mossy shell]

Lame

[stiff vector]

nobody ever plays double outlaw keys with me I invited a random 2nd outlaw once to a flood and then I gapped tf out of him

[strong halo]

ok im gearing my mage im getting perma denied from keys as rogue

[mossy shell]

Are you on NA

[strong halo]

Gap hunters not ur brothers

every hunter i get is the LOA OF THE FLOOR

giving me the hard FLOOR POV

[stiff vector]

ye

[keen belfry]

@mossy shell i found proof...

...

[strong halo]

This was M0

DELETE DELETE

[stiff vector]

damn banshers decided to be nice to you guys and play surv

[lucid sandal]

What does simc use by default for outlaw weapon consumables btw

[stiff vector]

he took pity on us

[keen belfry]

this was aug 22nd i found the rio run

bricked 16 hoa

i never lie chat

and i had 2 deaths!!!

[stiff vector]

I mean if awang got beaten by HO

[keen belfry]

i died twice!!

[stiff vector]

that would have been a MASSIVE L

[mossy shell]

so it was bricked

Meaning

Bad things happened

[keen belfry]

to me 🙁

[torpid heath]

2 death as outlaw L

[mossy shell]

This is all very sus let’s run another key with spectators

And we can settle this

The right way

[keen belfry]

itll be gapplebees again

[mossy shell]

Sure bb

[keen belfry]

full menun

[stiff vector]

nessa just got bad rng frfr

[strong halo]

lmk if u need a bad 3rd rogue to have a reference point

[mossy shell]

Ok @keen belfry when do you finish work

@strong halo what is your btag

[keen belfry]

i think id have to actually shit my pants with poop to lose to HO rogue this season no cap

10% is massive

[mossy shell]

You’re gonna need new pants

[strong halo]

Caine#1887

[mighty pivot]

awang will play keyboard-only too right?

[stiff vector]

ngl it would be hilarious if awang loses to HO(even if its because he dies) after saying that, itd be a good meme

[keen belfry]

u guys dont understand

awang

doesnt lose

@honest cape right?

[mossy shell]

Awang is going to need new pants

Do you want to place a bet

[stiff vector]

listen buddy no one is immune to giga lowrolling

[keen belfry]

whats the saying

[strong halo]

@mossy shell (Ill tricks of the trade Awang so he dies more)

[keen belfry]

my valley your peak?

[mossy shell]

What’s the most skillful outlaw key? I’d say dawn. Outlaw is good there and you have to plan.

We will do a dawn

I’ll ante 500k

[stiff vector]

it might only happen once in a blue moon...but if its the one time youre playing against HO,

[keen belfry]

im watching squish vod rn

its like im shopping for clothes at the gap store rn

[granite merlin]

Where do I see adrush uptime in details

[strong halo]

buff uptime

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message

[granite merlin]

Ty

[keen belfry]

xd

check end of run tho i swear!

outlaw top overall in a workshop????

[keen belfry]

ill actually never forget this run, look at kujo dmg

[worldly shale]

new york homeless man type shit

[strong halo]

NGL watching Nessa do Kyvezza was giving me anxiety HOW DO YOU 180 FLICK

[mossy shell]

The gloves are essential I lose control without them

[strong halo]

its like the DBZ training? are they 20 tonne gloves?

[mossy shell]

Kinda, they prevent me from using too much of my power

[strong halo]

are you taking them off to gap Awang?

[frail veldt]

ewwwwwwww

how can you call yourself an outlaw

and suggest

DAWN

[mossy shell]

What’s wrong with dawn

[strong halo]

Dawn is like the worst ngl lmao

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[strong halo]

Between flying around trying not to lose rolls / AR

[worldly shale]

all my HOMIES hate dawn

[gaunt phoenix]

your time in flight can be fairly minimal

[stiff vector]

that is part of the skill in playing the dungeon frfr

[frail veldt]

p much everything? So easy to get really poor timing on cds coming up in phases where you have to move sometimes you can delay easily and sometimes you just lose dps

[strong halo]

Maybe at the speed you fly

[mossy shell]

Dawn is low target count and you have to consider flying/forced downtime to keep up your damage, sounds like a good dungeon for a killing spree-off

[frail veldt]

yeah there is skill in dawn but theres also added uncontrollable dps variance too

[mossy shell]

Skill issue, not being toxic or anything but it is skill.

[frail veldt]

fights with downtime can compound bad proc rng

for sure

[frail veldt]

its both

[mossy shell]

Yea but that’s just outlaw isn’t it

[frail veldt]

depends on the key

that was my point rofl

[strong halo]

man i miss last season where i gapped locks

[frail veldt]

might as well just compete on dimensius rofl

which yeah could be considered a "skillful" outlaw fight

but its also a fight where bad timings/resets can totally fuck you outside of your control

downtime amplifies bad rng

[stiff vector]

like if your tank is a troll and you have to be the one to run out of melee for every tank smash on mini boss and 2nd boss, or do barrels, and perma get mechanics on rash then ye I mean youre gonna have a bad time but

[mossy shell]

I maintain that it’s 80% skill

And a little luck

[frail veldt]

but I guess as HO its easier to recover from bad rng/downtime

so good choice from your end

though i wouldnt say its the most fair

[strong halo]

LMAO

[mossy shell]

If you send AR at 63% and then roll garbage then you might be doomed forever.

[waxen scarab]

how much dps loss if i dont follow the new st fatebound rule?

[mossy shell]

But that’s like

[frail veldt]

yeah so maybe do a key where this isnt a thing

[mossy shell]

The one time

[frail veldt]

thoughts?

[gaunt phoenix]

2% ish?

[strong halo]

I cant believe Nessa said RTB is for Assas enjoyers

almost got baited

[mossy shell]

Ok suggest a key then sir

[frail veldt]

literally any other key but dawn or streets

I personally love floodgate

[mossy shell]

Streets????

[stiff vector]

why not just

repeat the halls

[mossy shell]

I made an amazing outlaw only streets route

Can only be done with outlaw

[frail veldt]

reasonably mechanically intensive fights but lots of momentum and time to shine if you are good at your rotation

[mossy shell]

And I’m not sharing it with you guys

[strong halo]

OK im starting to think Nessa hates outlaw

[mossy shell]

Cause you’re not real outlaws (except for evilshotty)

[strong halo]

❤️

[mighty pivot]

rude

[frail veldt]

the realest outlaw is an HO enjoyer and loves dawnbreaker

[cinder haven]

What’s a real outlaw?

[frail veldt]

idk

apparently someone who loves downtime

[stiff vector]

theres dozens of us real(KIR) outlaw players...dozens!

[leaden hazel]

Aw man, lucky me

[frail veldt]

downtime is for the true outlaw enjoyers

[strong halo]

@mossy shell before we start key we need to do a mog check see who is the real pirate

[frail veldt]

nessa is your favorite boss fight dimensius? lol

[worldly shale]

ye sometimes i just go naked, without AR

makes me feel

[mossy shell]

My favorite boss……

[worldly shale]

so good

[cinder haven]

When you manage to handle downtime perfectly and still perform it feels kinda good

[mossy shell]

I liked queen ansurek, that was a good one.

[cinder haven]

But it shouldn’t be needed

[mighty pivot]

nessa vs awang 1v1 on LFR dimmy

[worldly shale]

did u like tindral?

[stiff vector]

I was playing enhance for queen prog

[mossy shell]

They made me fly the birds on tindral. No. I didn’t like doing that.

[frail veldt]

def does but it feels more bad than it ever feels good to get juts cucked by downtime when you already were low rolling haha

[frail veldt]

but isnt that an opportunity to express your skill

[mossy shell]

So a fake outlaw as suspected

[stiff vector]

ye that was cancer but..I think Dimmy is worse. And when they removed one set of flying I was able to stay down and was actually blasting some pulls(wiped ofc)

[cinder haven]

Outlaw gets many opportunities to express skill if we put it like that

[mossy shell]

It ruined my uptime though. But the pad on the meter made up for it.

[cinder haven]

We just don’t get rewarded

Only punished when we fail

[mellow depot]

are we still aiming for 20% haste for KIR?

[gaunt phoenix]

19% technically

[mossy shell]

It’s always a skill issue, if you ever run out of juice it’s because of you. Every time I’m in the dirt I know it’s because I was a fool.

The rng is just noise

[cinder haven]

So real outlaw enjoyer is probably a bit of a masochist?

[stiff vector]

the reward is not being at the bottom of the meter in raid

[mossy shell]

We would be playing something good if we didn’t hate ourselves

[frail veldt]

even on a petchwerk fight outlaw has plenty of skill expression

[frail veldt]

the rotation is too fun

[mossy shell]

This is the hardest rogue spec by a mile and also the worst rogue spec by two miles.

[frail veldt]

nothing compares

[vivid vessel]

@mossy shell

[strong halo]

Its never my fault. I always play perfect.

[keen belfry]

@mossy shell

[mossy shell]

He is coping

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOL

[stiff vector]

[keen belfry]

[mossy shell]

Copity cope

[strong halo]

Zac who you have your money on

[daring oxide]

nessa plays HO, theres no bad rng

[vivid vessel]

awang lol

[mossy shell]

wtf

[strong halo]

LMAO

no hesitation

[keen belfry]

[mossy shell]

Zac ur ded 2 me

[vivid vessel]

🕉️

wait

bro

this shit

annoys me

[strong halo]

Zac hasnt seen me pump tho

[vivid vessel]

let me omegalul

[frail veldt]

Nessa honestly I really hope you win cuz you are loading up so much ammo for awang to rub in your face if he beats you

[vivid vessel]

in peace

wtf is this om emote

i want omegalul

[mossy shell]

I will win it’s not really a contest

[frail veldt]

LOL

[mossy shell]

I’ve seen awang play he is just a pretend Zac

[frail veldt]

and then if you win

[strong halo]

Evilshotty the dark horse?

[frail veldt]

I can continue to tell all the HO doomers

[mossy shell]

I am not idc what Zac is doing

IM REAL

[frail veldt]

that they need to stop fucking crying

about 4% dps in sims

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean here proof pre gilded

[frail veldt]

so this contest is a win win for me I cant wait

[stiff vector]

wtf zac

save some gear for the rest of us

[vivid vessel]

nah you aint ready

im buying the boe now

one sec

the belt is legit free

[strong halo]

lmao

[keen belfry]

if no deaths i win by 1.4mil

[stiff vector]

I need to get boosting again so I can buy a really nice, really thicc belt and ring w/ avoidance

[mossy shell]

Can we have someone manage bets

[daring oxide]

i mean

isn't this just a case of nessa playing HO which is literally crippled vs KIR?

[cinder haven]

800k for the belts or so?

[worldly shale]

HOLY SHMECKLES

THATS THE BIGGEST GAP

EVER

[waxen scarab]

!log

[worldly shale]

GAP GAP GAP

[mossy shell]

It’s doctored

[daring oxide]

ive looked at warcraft logs dps for log only ones and theres a clear dps gap between Nessas HO logs and other KIR ones by a good margin

[mossy shell]

Out of context even

[daring oxide]

its just spec build difference

[worldly shale]

mouse diff

[strong halo]

VOTE HERE: = Awang Wins = nessa wins = Evilshotty wins (the dark horse)

[vivid vessel]

should i buy socketed tho

eh

[frail veldt]

I mean its 4% in sims and we all know that theres more than a 4% difference even between KiR players so its entirely possible to make that gap up with skill

[daring oxide]

im pretty sure in AOE kir is significantly ahead?

[worldly shale]

i sold a hero antenna today

[mossy shell]

Pin this plz

[worldly shale]

for 500k

very good business

[frail veldt]

4% in dslice

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean it's not 4% in all routes

[frail veldt]

but yeah if its a big pull

it can be more

[daring oxide]

I would much rather see Nessa play KIR against Awang playing KIR

[frail veldt]

but again my point is that theres definitely more than a 4% difference due to player skill

[daring oxide]

otherwise its gonna be so boring to watch

[frail veldt]

so its not like shes mathematically doomed

[keen belfry]

she is

[daring oxide]

i mean HO doesn't really do much rotationally, where KIR has much more going on, so it'd be a better competition to see KIR vs KIR

then its a real competition between skills

[mossy shell]

Uptime will save me awang is slow and cowardly

[frail veldt]

so she inherently gets to be sim perfect

[cinder haven]

Man this channel is always entertaining

[frail veldt]

where you have to work for it

lol

[buoyant cosmos]

@vivid vessel can you cast this for us in French so no one understands whats going on

[craggy barn]

nah real skill is forcing them both on sub and pitting them against eachother

[keen belfry]

i have never been called not greedy before this is kinda sick

[quaint wharf]

i will prime if zac casts in french

[frail veldt]

the generous awang

[daring oxide]

awang if you lose buddy

[frail veldt]

the robin hood of outlaws

[keen belfry]

vai

[daring oxide]

i will prepare a funeral for you

[frail veldt]

vs

[daring oxide]

ive got all my bets on you

[keen belfry]

vai there is literally

no chance

[frail veldt]

Nessa, the lock NESS monster of HO Outlaws

[mossy shell]

There is only one outlaw doing sim damage and he is probably hacking.

[keen belfry]

like no flame to nessa

check da logs too

[worldly shale]

zac?

[keen belfry]

its gapple bees

[worldly shale]

french hacker

[strong halo]

Awang hasnt seen my logs yet.

[mossy shell]

Raid logs? Half of my raid logs I’m in the wrong spec cause idc

[frail veldt]

and you call awang a coper

[mossy shell]

Key logs squish only uploads when I fuck up

[strong halo]

@keen belfry this is me

[mossy shell]

=[

SELECTION BIAS

[keen belfry]

like queen

[vivid vessel]

do i buy

[keen belfry]

no flame again

[vivid vessel]

maybe i should buy with a socket idk

[mossy shell]

You need a new line bb

[keen belfry]

i watch them run in my spare time and i see overalls

[vivid vessel]

it cost so little

[keen belfry]

and im like

[daring oxide]

do you need haste?

[craggy barn]

why not zac

[strong halo]

Im jk no clue who that is

[vivid vessel]

why not

[craggy barn]

theres literally 1 other ring ud want

[cinder haven]

700 is cheap af

[vivid vessel]

ye

ok well there is legit only one socket one

[daring oxide]

what boss is this, plexus?

[keen belfry]

i see squish group run and i see outlaw overall with full raid buffs and im a bit confused!

[vivid vessel]

fuck it

idc about socket

[frail veldt]

yes

[strong halo]

Yeah. Impressed? well its not me

[daring oxide]

no was just wondering based on numbers

[craggy barn]

zac why are u stressing about socket or not, sockets are cheap in comparison

[vivid vessel]

well it cost a vault i guess

[craggy barn]

oh wait

im dumb

[strong halo]

no its 700k for a socket

[craggy barn]

its wasit

[frail veldt]

vault rofl

[craggy barn]

lol

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

wrong slot

[thorn river]

when do we want to use netherprism ? with x amount of stacks or just macro into vanish ?

[craggy barn]

i was thinking ring for some dumb reason

[daring oxide]

maybe worth to wait one more week for prices to drop?

[vivid vessel]

i mean im almost full gear

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[keen belfry]

i kinda wanna buy this

[vivid vessel]

its 700k

[frail veldt]

when you have 4+ buffs I think is the suggestion

[vivid vessel]

how much more can it drop like

[daring oxide]

are you gold capped or

[frail veldt]

going into a vanish

[vivid vessel]

i have like

6mill

[craggy barn]

just buy it

[vivid vessel]

but also i have infinite gold

[cinder haven]

DO NOT MACRO WITH VANISH

[thorn river]

ay thanx !

[frail veldt]

kinda broke

[daring oxide]

yeah then just send it then

[buoyant cosmos]

tobfon has the deets on that, he let me know last night

[vivid vessel]

cause i can just boost r1 keys

[craggy barn]

what else are u gonna getr

[vivid vessel]

and raid

so

gold is infinite

[daring oxide]

i guess you do boosts as well too? raid and high keys

[strong halo]

whats the point of having gold if you dont use it for gear

[daring oxide]

okies

[cinder haven]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[thorn river]

fucks op subterfuge ?

[frail veldt]

gold still costs you time zac

how many minutes does it take to make 700k

[thorn river]

yeh shoulda know that

rookie mistake

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah that happened to me last night

[cinder haven]

Use before vanishing as FB

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/scrooge-mcduck-ducktales-diving-money-coins-gif-7883464

[vivid vessel]

pre gilded

90 to go

[thorn river]

same for M+ or diff rules ?

[buoyant cosmos]

Thought I was crazy

[buoyant cosmos]

unclaimed black market container gambling

[cinder haven]

But is prism even good now?

[thorn river]

idk got nothing better atm

[daring oxide]

fucking hell, you are like 6 ilvls ahead of me

beastmode

[vivid vessel]

haha

bro vurai

[buoyant cosmos]

feels great and our damage is in the dumpster so why not

[vivid vessel]

you dont even know

[cinder haven]

I think apl waits for 4 buffs

[vivid vessel]

look one sec

[mossy shell]

Question actually, KS snapshots haste but does it snapshot other stats

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kXGW36HYhc3pKheLysczZt

[mossy shell]

Like should I pick up my crit balls in KS or after

[vivid vessel]

this is when i spend the crests

its like 718 +

[keen belfry]

717 LMAO

[thorn river]

4 buffs time to pump in M+, FB just with vanish, or vanish with 4 buffs ?

[mossy shell]

You have so much gear ._.

I’m 712

[vivid vessel]

🕉️

712

[strong halo]

Bro i swear to god Zacs guild lives to funnel him

[craggy quiver]

I made a bm alt I have sinned

[vivid vessel]

[quaint wharf]

🕉️

[craggy quiver]

[strong halo]

"WE HAVE TO KILL DEMI TO GEAR ZAC"

[vivid vessel]

bro this week reclear is about to go crazy holy shmoke

[mossy shell]

The weapon won’t drop for him

No way

[stiff vector]

Zac got the gigajuice from his guild

[vivid vessel]

im getting the neck for sure for sure

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel why did u buy verse haste belt not vers crit cuh

[buoyant cosmos]

he got it in vault

ez

[keen belfry]

you have plenty haste lil bro

[vivid vessel]

cause you always need a bit of haste

[mossy shell]

Does anyone know D:

[quaint wharf]

i was actually thinking of gearing my hunter ive never played bm

[daring oxide]

fucking hell, also nice choice of crafting gloves, i honestly never considered that in different gear sims

[vivid vessel]

its easier to just craft crit idk

doesnt matter

[keen belfry]

ye i guess

[vivid vessel]

ideally yuou have as much vers on your gear

and to do that

[cinder haven]

Can wait for 4 buffs with FB too. Or damage amp or whatever. That’s the point of flexible cd trinkets

[vivid vessel]

you need as much haste vers pieces as possible

[stiff vector]

gloves is what I was gonna prob craft next

[keen belfry]

im buying that belt rn, 1mil

[cinder haven]

Use when you want damage

[vivid vessel]

thats the only way to go to maximum vers

[thorn river]

thanx !

[vivid vessel]

bro wiat

[strong halo]

@mossy shell we have our fallback if we lose

[vivid vessel]

dont

[mossy shell]

wtf I fell too much

Need to actually key

Jesus

[ember goblet]

So I’m looking at this and wondering why sims are still telling me to dump more into vers like im 38% 20% haste 19% crit but still telling me to go more into vers it has to stop at some point

[daring oxide]

zac I think you are like 120 crests ahead of me

[long barn]

Why you running so much haste on some of these logs for 18s

[vivid vessel]

nvm NA has 0 belts

[stiff vector]

ye I looked yesterday there was fuck all belts

[long barn]

Just what gear is available?

[craggy barn]

zac

how do i replace ring

[vivid vessel]

im not

i have 20%

[craggy barn]

😠

im stuck with this fucking thing

[mossy shell]

Vers is the only good stat, it will never stop

[vivid vessel]

i have the all stat flask on one sec

[long barn]

I thought 19.05 is the number to hit

[vivid vessel]

ye well ok you cant have all you want right

how imma go to 19.05

you think im a magician or smth

[keen belfry]

??

[proper veldt]

Doesn’t even use haste flask to get vers on tempered pot

[mossy shell]

Nice ring

[strong halo]

recraft ring and use Prio neck?

[long barn]

I was able to make it happen

lol

[ember goblet]

Just weird woulda assumed that at some point i would want to get some more crit or haste

[vivid vessel]

guys

dont worry about it

im getting the raid neck in reclear

[long barn]

But your my hero

[vivid vessel]

then my gear is fixed

[gaunt phoenix]

you could have 0.5% more vers instead of haste

[vivid vessel]

dont even worry about it

[gaunt phoenix]

infinite dps

[daring oxide]

bro if you get ring from raid u gonna be disgusting probably 720

i mean

[stiff vector]

I love having to constantly juggle haste tax

[daring oxide]

NECK

neck from raid

[vivid vessel]

ye

[mossy shell]

Well you don’t need haste anymore if you have enough energy right? And you have crit amps baked into the spec so past a certain point it falls off too. Vers is just better forever.

[gaunt phoenix]

at some point crit and vers are similar

[long barn]

I think maybe I have too much vers

[frail veldt]

It took until like 38% for crit to be even with vers for me

[gaunt phoenix]

i think if you are wondering how to increase your dps, it is not crit vs vers

[mossy shell]

The antenna gives you like 15,000 crit all the time

I don’t think we need more crit

[long barn]

Oh that’s nice to know. I think I’m like 44% or something buffed

[strong halo]

19.12% Haste

[ember goblet]

Now we need the vault to stop trying to make me go Sub… all of it has been Sub based horrible stats for outlaw

[stiff vector]

I used to have too much vers to where it was actually telling me to run crit ring enchants/gems and go crit flask but its better now

[strong halo]

same

[mossy shell]

What if their fix for outlaw was to buff mastery 500%

What would happen

[stiff vector]

mastery would still kinda suck

[frail veldt]

we would run some mastery

nah it would be good

[mossy shell]

Okay, 1000%

[gaunt phoenix]

500% is a lot

[frail veldt]

esp in dslice

at 500%

[stiff vector]

ok 1000%

[frail veldt]

in aoe mastery is already like as good as or better than crit for KiR

[restive obsidian]

Mastery has the worst scaling

[frail veldt]

its really not that bad

[gaunt phoenix]

1000% we would go dagger mainhand

[ember goblet]

Oh I was thinking for a mastery rework instead of main gauche possibly make mastery somehow (not op amounts) but cause you to have better rolls

[vivid vessel]

im doing this, this season, im almost there, just need to get the neck and buy the ring, I complete with double weapons from dimensius after

[long barn]

lol I ran a stat sim the other day and it told me mastery would give me the most dps per point

[strong halo]

Just a reminder if you didnt vote.

[frail veldt]

you might beat your tank soon

[cinder haven]

why does it feel like everyone is drunk today

[daring oxide]

you could literally fucking do this in this reset if lucky

plus mythic cosmic sigil

[long barn]

That gets you around 19.05% haste?

[cinder haven]

sounds like a plan

[daring oxide]

jesus

[frail veldt]

maybe cuz youre drunk

[vivid vessel]

well not enough gilded but ye

[cinder haven]

not yet I'm not

[mossy shell]

Loser is not allowed to push IO for 2 weeks.

[vivid vessel]

i would have like, neck not upgraded, belt not upgraded, only 717 wrist, and 714 ring

[daring oxide]

did you buy a socket belt?

[frail veldt]

lets do an outlaw challenge where whenever you let adr drop you have to take a shot

[vivid vessel]

idk i just figure it out when i get it

[mossy shell]

Yes

[frail veldt]

last one standing wins

[cinder haven]

how much of an upgrade is myth belt over disc thing anyway?

[keen belfry]

@random stirrup @mighty pivot @gaunt phoenix dead to me

[mossy shell]

Belt knock fucking means something.

[frail veldt]

crafted belt was like 0.3% for me so I figure myth belt is like 0.7?

[random stirrup]

I’m ngl I read the instructions wrong

I saw awang win and clicked it

[mossy shell]

BELT KNOCK MATTERS

[frail veldt]

wtf is belt knock

[strong halo]

No If Awang loses he has to play HO for a week.

[frail veldt]

LOOOL

[mossy shell]

Oh hell yea

Ok if I lose I have to play KiR on stream

[frail veldt]

and name change to NessaWins

[mossy shell]

Great deal

[long barn]

But we are confident that 19.05 ish is the best area to be in, no value in after that breakpoint?

[frail veldt]

I think name change is proper punishment

[cinder haven]

how do you do ranged crackshot windows as HO?

[daring oxide]

thats a good deal, loser plays the winners preferred talent build 😄

[vivid vessel]

bro idk its irrelevant you just top gear it haha

[daring oxide]

more humble

[stiff vector]

not rly that bad of punishment tbh, how about you have to play assa for a week and youre not allowed to have any funnel on any boss

[mossy shell]

We have 2fth so we are always full and it’s easy idk what you mean

[frail veldt]

sim yourself dog

[frail veldt]

well 1fth actually has more "cp filling" charges with bs up

[winter cave]

wanted to test some ST to see if I could take outlaw in raid but I must be doing something very wrong -> ST dummy on 3min (simming for 5M https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cuFikz3LiFQxf5RxouM9Sv)

[frail veldt]

cuz you can press it 3 times

[long barn]

Fine fine

[daring oxide]

for one week, until reset

[frail veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/quotation-marks-chris-farley-air-gif-24463963

[mossy shell]

BS not always up

[frail veldt]

haha

not as ho

[winter cave]

Is something obvious there ?

I'll try to get a log that would be better

but so far I'm kinda baffled by the diff

[mossy shell]

Personally I don’t trust any sims, my feelings > math

[daring oxide]

i honestly think HO is gonna get a big buff soon, back from 80 to 100%

[winter cave]

I'm not saying it should match exactly

[daring oxide]

Solo convinced me

[winter cave]

but this kind of difference tends to make think I'm doing something very wrong rotationally

[hybrid crown]

I'm cool with it just being a bit behind kir but less of a difference than now

But I think HO is better for pug keys

Even now

Like vault 10s

[keen belfry]

dispatch that close to BTE is clear sign

of bad play

[hybrid crown]

Esp if the tank pulls weird

[old gull]

I do more overall smh as ho, idk

[mossy shell]

Just play what you think it’s fun if you’re doing vault 10s

Why do people care about builds in 10s

[old gull]

Maybe I just suck at kir

[keen belfry]

this is the answer

[next wedge]

i do too honestly

[hybrid crown]

Ive tried both and see how KIR for sure is better when you can consistently KIR into a fat aoe pull but when shit dies fast HO just plays better

[daring oxide]

i mean HO is entry level and its more fun (easier) to vibe with too

so definitely play HO

[old gull]

Fine with me, ho more fun to me

[hybrid crown]

Yeee

[daring oxide]

for weeklies or if u just wanna have fun

KIR is definitely more sweaty

[winter cave]

Yeah on this 3min run I barely got crackshots refunds

[keen belfry]

its not your ace procs

[mossy shell]

If everyone plays HO we get buffed.

[winter cave]

?

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-supernova-super-truth-nova-true-morgan-freeman-sephiroth-gif-4644219165557616305

[keen belfry]

your dmg meter looking like that isnt because of bad rng

[frail veldt]

@mossy shell do you run no GS for keys?

[mossy shell]

It’s hard to fit GS in so it depends on the key

[winter cave]

Well I'd love to hear more tbh

[strong halo]

Awang finish your work so we can do the Godzilla vs King Kong vs Pikachu

[cinder haven]

you can drop either ace or PC 😛

[winter cave]

I'm sure there's something I'm doing wrong so, just not what

[daring oxide]

pikachu is more OP than godzilla and king kong wdym

[cinder haven]

no ace build is cursed

[frail veldt]

Ho plays so nice without it honestly

[strong halo]

Which is fitting for the dark horse.

[frail veldt]

I was playing that start of s2 it was pretty enjoyable

[daring oxide]

but doesn't HO play well with GS too? since its got really good energy

[frail veldt]

Eh

GS is just a bad button

And not having PC(edited) kinda is meh

[mossy shell]

Yea I don’t really like it and my haste is kinda low cause I have no gear

[daring oxide]

for ST? no way

[hybrid crown]

No GS is like 7% st loss which isn't that bad honestly

Our st kinda bad anyways

[keen belfry]

its impossible to know based off a screenshot, its just very apparent you are making mistakes somewhere. everything thats needed to be known is here #outlaw-faq

[strong halo]

Is this whole HO propaganda only because youre low on haste!?!?!?

i thought you believed in it

[mossy shell]

No im fucking deranged

[daring oxide]

HO doesn't need deft

[mossy shell]

You don’t understand

[buoyant cosmos]

no read, tell me how fix 😠

[daring oxide]

aren't we all, being Outlaw mains

part of the package

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[mossy shell]

People ask why I play the lower simming build

And I’m like

[daring oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[mossy shell]

Why are you playing this low simming spec

Outlaw is so bad

[mossy shell]

Does anyone else LFG as assa and switch specs before the key goes in

I did that in dragonflight LOL

[buoyant cosmos]

certified feral in S2 moment

[strong halo]

I do all 3 specs doesnt change anything imo. no one wants rogues

[long needle]

I get that the spec is undertuned and stuff but like, it feels shit to play? I haven't played since DF and it feels like it doesnt flow as well at all

[frail veldt]

Sorry I meant pc

I drop GS for PC as ho

[daring oxide]

yeah thats fine

i wish trickster ST was tuned higher

[frail veldt]

I don't think playstyle is most people's complaint

[daring oxide]

i really hate this current iteration of Fatebound

[frail veldt]

The people here playing outlaw are playing it for how it feels not how it performs

[strong halo]

tbh the playstyle is one of the most fun ive ever had on any spec

[frail veldt]

If you don't like how outlaw feels then there's really no reason to play it hahaha

[long needle]

For me it doesnt feel as good as it did in DF, maybe its just placebo from looking at details but still

[frail veldt]

I kinda like it hahaha stuff lines up pretty well

[mossy shell]

They just need to buff our prio like 10% and we will all be content and still nowhere close to meta.

Assa and sub would still be better.

[cedar kernel]

solo would u mind helping me check my log

[strong halo]

Frost mage is more fun than assas

[cedar kernel]

i got beaten by a outlaw

[frail veldt]

Could be a combination but yeah I could agree with that in part. Trickster is a lot of added tedium that some people dont like and 1pt fth is pretty rough in st

[hybrid crown]

those macros are like a small optimization right

[cedar kernel]

but i cant see the dmg why hes higher to me

[hybrid crown]

its fun to press them when you line stuff up right

[cedar kernel]

and hes ADR uptime is lower

[long needle]

Yeah when that happens it kinda feels like the spec is working against me

[hybrid crown]

but if you dont press them its not a big deal then it's just playing regular KIR with KS

[cedar kernel]

!log

[old gull]

It’s ruined every other spec for me. I’m new to outlaw via dragon flight

[mossy shell]

Other specs are so slow

[fading vine]

On how many stacks should I use unyielding netherprism?

[twilit sundial]

My rogue is my alt - since I won’t be doings 10s on him for awhile. Would crafting 2 one handers with elemental focusing lens be the best embellishments?

[old gull]

Yea and I just love the whole rotating between slices and swords. Bte into coup de grace just looks awesome to me

[hybrid crown]

even switching to assa its like, I am so slow, shadowstep is worse than grapple hook, sprint has a CD now??, this rotation is borrrinnnggg

[random stirrup]

Both dagger specs are colossally slower

I feel like wheelchair compared to outlaw

[hybrid crown]

also way less tanky

[mossy shell]

Ok ok here is an actual take. Outlaw should not be wielding two one hand weapons. We should be wielding one weapon and a GUN. And our animations can use the gun.

[random stirrup]

Nah sub is tanky

[mossy shell]

Like come on blizz

[random stirrup]

Assa a bit paper sure

[strong halo]

We should be able to Mog daggers into guns IMO

[frail veldt]

Sub is tanky but compared to outlaw it's not that impressive

[mossy shell]

What makes sub tanky?

[frail veldt]

its crazy how I just watch my whole groups hp just suffering and dipping while im at like 80+% with perma feint and evasion and vialing during KS

[mossy shell]

Do they have any vers

[frail veldt]

they do

[hybrid crown]

I think they get an absorb when they finisher

[frail veldt]

they are mastery vers

they also have the vanish heal from dance

[hybrid crown]

just in passing that seems to do a lot of healing for them

seeing that on my healer

[frail veldt]

so every dance is soothing darkness p sure

[random stirrup]

Also play 30% vers, have a healing node and a good passive dr node

[frail veldt]

also they have excess energy

so they can always feint

unlike assa

[mossy shell]

It’s such an edgelord spec

Blech

Ooo look at my funnel wow

[frail veldt]

def not bitter

[random stirrup]

sub funnel is long gone cuh

[frail veldt]

sub has prio but not really any funnel

[random stirrup]

That’s for the assa bozos

[frail veldt]

I Heard assa doesnt even really ahve it now either

due to the bugs

[mossy shell]

Idea, replace greenskin with an uncapped gangplank ultimate finisher

[frail veldt]

and since htey run bleed spec now

[random stirrup]

It still does it’s just not as potent due to the bug

[untold yarrow]

still no HO build

sadge

[random stirrup]

You’re still getting resources and 20% agi, funnel damage (just not from caustic)

[mossy shell]

Why not

[untold yarrow]

no good HO build like before sadge i had hoped something would've been cooked up

back in the sub cuck cage i go

[mossy shell]

Do what you want cause a pirate is free

[craggy barn]

taht means ignore nessa and sucumb to kir

[keen belfry]

isnt it just spatter not working on singular focus?

whiich isnt that even big of a deal? i swear i did the math for one pull and it was like 10mil dmg to your prio mob lost

[sudden fulcrum]

another one falls victim to the clickbait propaganda

[random stirrup]

Well singular focus double dips so gotta account for that

Mastery impacts caustic cleave -> singular focus is also amped by mastery

going back in

[untold yarrow]

kir is honestly

not even that bad on its own

but with the coup mechanic + KS

spec is now annoying to play idk

[mossy shell]

I like weaving them

Last season was best

[untold yarrow]

im just gonna play HO + Fatebound in keys

and have fun

[craggy barn]

just have fun

[keen belfry]

can u math out how much shred dmg i lost on this pull

[craggy barn]

who cares

also

where is my KS badge

[quaint wharf]

[mossy shell]

Can we get an old KS icon too

[untold yarrow]

old KS icon is the old bait icon fro mLOL

[mossy shell]

Who is a nice mod here

[random stirrup]

No

[untold yarrow]

from*

[keen belfry]

yes

or i guess ballpark it, i just do basic math of caustic spatter was 300mil aoe dmg, so 5% of that is what 15mil lost funnel to my prio mob?

[craggy barn]

imma say it

we should all just quit

rogue sucks

its over

[keen belfry]

but youre saying its abit more cuz of stuff that i dont know about

[frail veldt]

I dont know enough about it thats just what all the people I know who play assa tell me

[mossy shell]

This is the outlaw channel

[frail veldt]

I think its a combination of that and the new tier set incentivizing the bleed build which also has less prio/funnel?

[keen belfry]

yeah i would assume my #s are wrong

[keen belfry]

youd think that but no

[mossy shell]

I’m shitposting here until our key awang stop talking this weird fake rogue talk

[frail veldt]

thats just what I was told lol

[keen belfry]

your mass aoe does so much dmg, that singular focus gets buffed by tier and you actually do more funel

[frail veldt]

thats what this discord is for

[frail veldt]

it def doesnt feel that way on stuff like bigmomma haha

[keen belfry]

you are washed nessa its ok

[copper radish]

We should all make 20x posts a day on blizz forums about rogue

[frail veldt]

ive done some keys with assa and it really doesnt feel like it has great funnel

[keen belfry]

yeah in 5 target its less prio id bet

[frail veldt]

yeah

[keen belfry]

but idk i top big momma damage when i play assa tho

[frail veldt]

I top it when I play outlaw but I think my pug groups just suck rofl

[keen belfry]

if u top momma dmg as outlaw you are playing with gooners

[frail veldt]

I did against a dk and arcane mage

was wild

[keen belfry]

yeah

gooners

[copper radish]

Well what if your just good at outlaw

[keen belfry]

my mage will do like 1.4billion to momma

[frail veldt]

I did do 13mil dps on that fight coudl ahve been just high rolling

Yeah I only did like 1 bil but it was only a 14

[copper radish]

A good Outlaw doing 1.5bil

[mossy shell]

Mean

Ur mean

[keen belfry]

i forgot to say noah fence

[frail veldt]

you acnt call wang mean after all that shit talking

[keen belfry]

noah fence nessa ur washed

u had me in DF when i was gooning all tier

long gone are the days of awang gooning

[mossy shell]

I was bad in DF

[copper radish]

What are we all gonna do when outlaw becomes a semi ranged spec in midnight

[frail veldt]

rejoice

imagine

IMAGINE

if ever crackshot

we were 20 yard range

[keen belfry]

6 minute big momma i could see it

[frail veldt]

WOWEEE

[mossy shell]

Don’t talk about reworks please that makes me so uncomfortable

[frail veldt]

its coming

like it or not

[copper radish]

25 yard outlaw range

[mossy shell]

Stop

[copper radish]

Pistol poppin

Pew pew

Jump in do some melee for 10 secs like devourer then run out pew pew some more

[mighty pivot]

another nightfall cloak we go agane next week

[tired rune]

We're gonna get reworked so hard that it won't be outlaw anymore

[strong halo]

When is this duel of the century happening?

[craggy barn]

it will be inlaw

[mossy shell]

he is stalling

[tired rune]

or prelaw

[mossy shell]

at this rate he will win because I've already been awake for uh

a number of hours

[craggy barn]

? just stop needing sleep

[mossy shell]

you are so wise

[quaint wharf]

when is this key going down so i can take my lunch break and watch

[keen belfry]

i may be able to in 20

[quaint wharf]

[mighty pivot]

duel of the fates

[long barn]

So not only do we have to get lucky for the nightfall mace to drop, but also get upgraded?

[mighty pivot]

no you can buy the low ilvl version, and be lucky and get the high ilvl one from the weekly bag

[long barn]

Oh you can buy the one and have it upgrade?!

I got like 3 weeks of tokens

[copper radish]

Damn same here lol

[mighty pivot]

you can buy an adventurer track cudgel

[long barn]

Are we sure in that

Oh I have that

[copper radish]

Can they just add the veteran track cudgel to the vendor for like 5 marks or something

[mighty pivot]

the weekly gives veteran or something

[long barn]

I’m saying can the adventurer go buy get upgraded

Ah then I’m outta luck

[copper radish]

Yeah to 678

[mighty pivot]

it can be upgraded to max adventurer ilvl you cannot change its track

[copper radish]

Need the random drop veteran track for 691 max

[strong halo]

we will be old and he will still have youth at this rate

[sleek thorn]

van queef

[keen belfry]

im the old one arent i

[craggy barn]

nessa for sure wins right

giga keyboard master

[sleek thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[mossy shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1289014322478972931/1379562585837277204/tww-killing-spree.gif

[wintry gate]

my raid leader just asked me to play my warlock on soul hunters over outlaw

[sleek thorn]

walrus

[wintry gate]

when do we get destro level busted?

[mossy shell]

not a single vote for shotty

that is messed up

[strong halo]

They dont believe its fine

[mossy shell]

I vote for you

[strong halo]

❤️

[mossy shell]

you and I will tie

awanga will die

[strong halo]

im about to do a HoA 15 so if Awang becomes avail in next 30 hes trolling

Its gna be real awkward

when Awang has to raid all week using HO

[mossy shell]

tbh if he works normal hours we might have to wait cause I will need sleep

[keen belfry]

i do

[sharp jackal]

I still have my vault from last week because i could not decide between Stone Idol and helmet with socket. What would you guys take?

[keen belfry]

legit in a call rn

[civic zephyr]

just go sub

[mossy shell]

@keen belfry are you free around midnight est

[keen belfry]

if im on, yeah

[mighty pivot]

bruh that's very europe unfriendly you guys should reschedule

[coral onyx]

any difference between wagio or wowup for addon updates?

[keen belfry]

a dps race during sprint planning and refinement doesnt really work for me

[mighty pivot]

dunno sounds ideal to me

[mossy shell]

we can record it

for posterity

[zealous lantern]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[mighty pivot]

not as good as watching awang lose live but it'll do

[keen belfry]

awang hasnt lost yet

ever

(recent memory)

[gaunt phoenix]

you already have M pants?

[sharp jackal]

champ

[gaunt phoenix]

go pants !

[mossy shell]

what is your ilevel @keen belfry

[keen belfry]

i think 713

or 712

[gaunt phoenix]

awanga

did you win

[keen belfry]

win what

[gaunt phoenix]

the game

[keen belfry]

yes

but we havent done our dps thing yet

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

[sharp jackal]

What is the adventage on the pants, i do not see?

[zealous lantern]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[gaunt phoenix]

you convert it to mythic tier

[sharp jackal]

ah right, the charge - thank you!

nvm, i need charge in both cases 😂

so I guess the legs because legs are dropping "late" / hard puggable in raid right?

[gaunt phoenix]

well it's loom'ithar

Idc about mythic so mythic tier is hard to pass

but even then how likely are you to get it from raid

[sharp jackal]

I should just trust, since you are our god emperor. But I would like to understand, what is making the pants better than helmet with extra socket. Mainstat is the same plus 15 crests saved

[civic zephyr]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.