outlaw

[grim spear]

Whether it’s in keys or in raid, there are still plenty of situations where melee cant hit

[quiet root]

workshop you can vanish during phase switch and i forgot if there's even anything else where you lose uptime

[grim spear]

and for us that ends up being twice more painful than it is for others.

[quiet root]

yeah i agree

some encounters feel bad but overall i think it's not a huge issue

in the context of keys

[wintry solar]

It's quite literally its biggest issue

Dmg tuning aside

[quiet root]

i feel like the biggest issue is that we have no redeeming factors

to compensate for our downsides

we offer nothing relevant

[normal forge]

floodgate is the one i hate the most, those pulls, geez

[wintry solar]

Can't imagine why

[stable pivot]

Yeah would like to see 1 reason you'd take an outlaw rogue over something else

Like anything at all

[untold current]

Do we change to mana oil with the renown buff or stone one stays the best?

[quiet root]

idk just make us do more overall dmg than other specs to compensate for having a shit dmg profile

[uncut stratus]

in your opinions whats the quickest way to farm the cloak upgrades?

[untold current]

Delves perhaps?

Guess it depends how quickly you do them.

[wintry solar]

The problem with that is relying on the whim of blizzards tuning decisions

[grim spear]

the uptime thing is bad even in the open world stuffs

[wintry solar]

You ain't lying

[uncut stratus]

it says on WoWhead "Looted from bosses in The War Within Season 3 dungeons" that obviously means from keys too right?

[quiet root]

every spec is always at the mercy of blizzard's tuning and design decisions

[uncut stratus]

just asking because m+ dungeons have a slightly different loot process, than just doing normal/heroic dungeons and looting each boss

[untold current]

I do believe you automatically get it from that aswell yeah. Dunno if it's per boss or per dungeon.

[stable pivot]

Yes, but if the ONLY reason to bring outlaw is numbers, (such as now) you're definitely more so at the mercy

[untold current]

Kinda automatically just got it every reset when it came out so not totally sure on the exacts.

[worldly shale]

what numbers, just bring sub

[wintry solar]

Other specs have CDs

Even the other 2 specs like Outlaw have dmg CDs of some sort

[coral onyx]

inviting an outlaw should give every party member a bonus roll on loot for spec identity reasons

[wintry solar]

I love it

Make it happen

[untold current]

That sounds amazing

Totally balanced

[quiet root]

yeah so you're essentially saying other specs have better dmg profiles

which is true

[stable pivot]

What 2 specs are most similar? Had my head in the sand towards everyone else

[quiet root]

that's why outlaw needs to offer something that makes them worthwhile despite the profile

if we're flat but high overall, that's a decently useful niche

you can do something with that

but right now we're flat and overall is mid

singletarget shit

[wintry solar]

Bm and fury

[quiet root]

what else is there to do other than tune the dmg? complete rework into another cd spec? give us a better raid buff or more cc tools? make shroud great again?

idk i'd rather have the dmg

[untold current]

Easiest solution is rework, no? Also like the worst solution though.

[quiet root]

giving outlaw a huge aura buff is definitely the easiest 🙂

[untold current]

I am new to Rogue and Outlaw this season but it's not only a Outlaw number issue but also Rogues are in general in a pretty meh spot?

[pearl topaz]

time to go do an event from last season in the hope of a low chance drop

[untold current]

I gave up on that after i got the dagger from it so i just crafted dagger offhand xd

[swift hedge]

i think most if not all classes are getting a rework for midnight

[quiet root]

many people dislike current design of rogue in general yeah, but sub at least is putting up great numbers in m+

[vivid vessel]

The 2 other specs are very good if you mean tuning wise

[stable pivot]

Outlaw definitely needs something in terms of utility imo, the profile being flat is a niche I enjoy, but at least in terms of m+ we really don't bring a hole lot, ST stuns are pretty meh now, AoE blind being on such a long CD is meh, and a 3% dr isn't much to shout about

[vivid vessel]

Sin as well

Sin players are just crying they went from the best spec in the game

To just one of the best spec in the game

[wintry solar]

We can have a CD off of restless blades atp tbh

[vivid vessel]

[untold current]

Was more thinking beside the numbers. Aren't Rogues in a position where you only really bring them for the numbers they pull or damage profile (Which is a fucking thing in 10-12's these days yeez). While other specs get taken for a buff or similar stuff.

[wintry solar]

2 charges of some little shitter cd

[quiet root]

only reason i didn't say sin as well is because i've heard it's giga bugged or something (i don't keep up with sin)

[glacial shore]

Give outlaw the brwmaster melee debuff and can't be parried I'd be happy

[swift hedge]

the rogue class in general seems to just be a collection of bugs

[untold current]

So unless they pump the numbers up enough for Rogues to be taken is there any other reason to take them?

Shroud is borderline uselss aswell right?

[stable pivot]

Shroud is pretty useless, imo you take an Assa rogue maybe for iron wire? That's probably the best thing a rogue can bring

Other than that, I can't think of anything besides numbers

[untold current]

There is such a loud group of people talking about DK raid buff and i've been sitting here thinking if Rogues bring something i don't know about xd

[quiet root]

we bring atrophic/numbing

that's our raid buff

which is okay but it doesn't exactly pump the numbers up

[untold current]

But yeah only time i ever got asked about shroud was on Fractilus for pull but i thought guildie was reminding me to stealth lmao

[untold current]

oh yeah no shit!

[vivid vessel]

Ye so, the bug is basically a 10% nerf

But assa was so ahead

It can handle that

[quiet root]

ah it just turned them normal

[vivid vessel]

Better than normal ye

[rustic lotus]

Imagine blind being on restless blades.

[vivid vessel]

It's clearly one of the good specs

[vivid vessel]

Ye no buff, no utility

Outlaw damage profile is kinda bad rn

Sin has funnel but bad st

Sub is very cd focused

[rustic lotus]

Put kick and blind on restless blades 🙂 DO IT COWARDS! bring me back Kyrian dust build from shadowlands

[gaunt phoenix]

i'd settle to kick during ks

[stable pivot]

I'd settle for 0 ks and blind being a hard stun rather than incap

[vivid vessel]

I prefer blind being a stop

It's not on dr

[untold current]

I for one love aoe blind

[gaunt phoenix]

zac is typing....

this layout seems worse

[untold current]

It looks awkward

Like the chat box is way too thick

[slate forge]

We all know if they make kidney aoe they would cap it at 8 targets lmao

[stable pivot]

That would be nice

[stable pivot]

True I take back what I said

[vivid vessel]

It take the same amount of space as before

[quiet root]

would still be crazy, flurried kidney

full cp kidney stuns for an eternity

[vivid vessel]

Target capped ccs are so bad ..

[untold current]

My blind eyes disagree

[rustic lotus]

Yo that’s true why aren’t we able to kick during ks lmao

[vivid vessel]

Cause it's a channel and devs forgot you need to kick in m+

I'm ngl in this game it seems that m+ is always an afterthought

[rustic lotus]

Also give rogues AoE Interrupt. A real one. Give us something since Shroud is useless now

[vivid vessel]

Like you can defs during it

[quiet root]

they also forgot you need to prio dmg in m+ i think 🙂

[vivid vessel]

Which make sense you need to be able to in raid

But not kick??

[rustic lotus]

I remember when I was brought to keys cuz of shroud 🙂

[quiet root]

yeah and people would always say rogues would permanently be meta because of it

[stable pivot]

Yeah, they made rogues niche useless with 0 compensation

[daring oxide]

hopefully we'll see something for rogues around friday time

i think they are catching up on fixing our bugs and get to tuning us soon

[rustic lotus]

That’s what I’m sayin bro. Making blind refresh thru restless blades would be pretty cash. Also kick.

[daring oxide]

probably a lot of work to do especially regarding the jungle of bugs for assa too

[cinder haven]

nice to see you back on the hopium !

[vale portal]

I just feel like having any downtime is really punishing.

[proper bear]

Your feelings are valid

[hybrid crown]

If we got kick and blind from rb that would be busted

Op

[vale portal]

what would be a good fix for outlaw?

[long needle]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-shake-stewie-gif-5450737313358591447

[agile orchid]

lmao no

[fallow fractal]

guess tahts my vault than

[agile orchid]

you will see class tuning in 2-3 weeks at best

[stark viper]

is it just me or is fatebound not working right or something?

i swear its a wet noodle randomly in raid

[vale portal]

is anything on rogue working right?

[stark viper]

i feel like the only way to force it to kind of work is to hold vanish for gs all the time

and the dmg difference should not be as big as it is

double jeopardy is totally broken it seems like

the trickster m+ build is fun too its a shame fb st is so wildly variable

[slate forge]

Be lucky if we’re In the patch notes for midnight they’ll probably forget to make us apex talents and pick some half baked old tier set to put In last minute

[wintry solar]

Blizz had to add an affix so people would stop bringing a rogue in every party

I forgot what it was called

In bfa

[grim spear]

Awakened

[hasty warren]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim spear]

and in sl we have encrypted

[leaden sonnet]

Yeah but since then theyve made sure every single pack has truesight

So you can never shroud anything ever again

[pearl topaz]

Pocket Sand Outlaw Cone-based AoE interrupt

[quiet root]

blind is already pocket sand

[leaden sonnet]

And instead they have to be skipped with meld by pulling the mobs away so we can run past

Because thats way better and easier than allowing shroud and invis pots to run through

[stiff vector]

ye it is actually like...insanely cringe hhow badly theyve fucked shroud value deliberately by making every 2nd mob have truesight(or at least every relevant mob, in areas you would want to skip)

or they discouraged shroud use by simply making count values strict where you cant really skip anything, or youre forced into a linear route by the dungeon design

[strong cargo]

with 2 FTH since we break KS, should we avoid to supercharge it if possible ? Like not roll if I should do it but I'll press KS anyway right after it

[daring oxide]

this is your fault, you did this to me

[gentle sky]

where do i find the WA i sen posted here showing now many rolls you have done and now many 2 and 5 rolls you hade ?

[gentle sky]

ty

[daring oxide]

game is scamming me, why is it not 7%

low roller life

[gaunt phoenix]

skill issued

[stiff vector]

welcome your hunter(and mage ofc) overlords. BM prob only going to climb higher once a weeks worth of logs are in tbh

[hollow maple]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper radish]

Why is outlaw always dead last 😭

Can we just get one season outlaw is S+ tier please god

[stiff vector]

there will never be a raid tier where outlaw is s+ tier, unless the entire tier is like...either every boss is 5t cleave, and/or basically patchwerk fight and we are tuned like the highest ST spec in the game. Straight up truth.

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw is fundamentally flawed to be S tier in raid and will always clash with more fanciful boss encounters

[stray star]

Hey, can anyone help me with my FB log? I feel like I'm doing something really wrong, because there are tries where I'm above 5m and other times I fight to not go below 4m ST.
this is my loomithar log, if anyone can help me
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WThGLxJMfatdzBCH?fight=1&type=damage-done

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

guys ..

i need to play wow

im addicted

i havent done a key in like a month ..

[stiff vector]

Amirdrasil was prob like the best tier Outlaw will ever have, even though it was basically just a pad fest and boss dmg wise we werent very good and both of the other rogue specs were much better. And they nerfed us that tier btw

sad but like...its just true

[vivid vessel]

thats not true

we had good boss damage

we were basically topping boss damage

outlaw was just good

tindral was a thing

thats all

[vale portal]

I felt really good in Legion. Emerald Nightmare specifically

[coral onyx]

feels like higher uptime ADR this patch

[stiff vector]

we were basically like average/slightly above average boss dmg in amirdrasil in 10.2 and then it got worse in 10.2.5 cuz we were nerfed and they buffed other specs

[vivid vessel]

Maybe

But we basically were doing our top st damage while in AOE build

So

It was good

[stiff vector]

but like that is basically the best kind of tier I would ever expect outlaw to have at this point

[vivid vessel]

It's like if you could play fateboudn build, that doesn't lose damage in AOE, and is mid/top pack on fractilus

[stiff vector]

ye I mean if fatebound wasnt designed like complete ass, and we werent tuned like complete ass...maybe this tier could have been good

[copper radish]

I like the seasons where it doesn’t matter if I’m ST or aoe build for raid

[stiff vector]

its ok though, in 5? 6? months our midnight rework will be here(if we are actually getting a rework, not like its been confirmed) and SURELY s1 of midnight will be an outlaw tier/season...surely!

[copper radish]

Surely…. Week 1 of midnight gonna be blasting then we wake up to the blue post 😂

[stiff vector]

surely we dont get nerfed for being good within the first 2 weeks, I mean they didnt do that for any turbo strong specs this season so surely they wouldnt do it to us right

[copper radish]

Yall remember running fang embelish on weps? That was a fun time

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[copper radish]

25 min in LFG last night for 10s and not one invite I gave up 😂

[daring oxide]

This will be us next reset after our buffs and fixes on friday, outlaw back to the top

also

Looking good???

[manic light]

finally got 4p, you never use SS between the Coups right?
you only use BF or PS and if you cant you just send a back to back coups?

[copper radish]

Buffs??

[gaunt phoenix]

Your ratio of plain and LD rolls is weird

[daring oxide]

ya theres always a chance

[daring oxide]

really what you mean?

[daring oxide]

oh right

i mean i roll aggressively sometimes if i keep getting shit like buried treasure

ive had badluck with getting 5 natties

but rolling aggressively in the last few keys has helped bring that up from like 4% to 7%

[timid portal]

im like this rn

[daring oxide]

in plain rolls

[copper radish]

What weak aura is that

[timid portal]

the 5 went lower

[daring oxide]

does that make sense @gaunt phoenix

or do you think im plain rolling too much?

cos i get BT so much, its fucking unreal

[gaunt phoenix]

it depends

[daring oxide]

like almost every 2 roll i do has BT

must be bugged

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean sleight does roll over 2 buffs

[daring oxide]

i wish i could prove it to you

like if there was a buff counter

my BT would be basically 99.9%

BS would be 69%

game wants to fucking bury me at this rate

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel do you have a buff counter? (number of times we get rtb buffs, so can compare)

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-conspiracy-time-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017112

[daring oxide]

instead of using aura details

[daring oxide]

no conspiracy m8, its just feelssss

feels and vibes is the outlaw way

[stiff vector]

I was rolling pretty aggressively in one of the keys yesterday because I was just getting shitty roll rng and ace rng, only problem was that I was chain rolling into shit buffs

guess that is just

part of the gamba

[daring oxide]

i mean yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean i try to roll over 2 buffs but your number of plain rolls is still really high

[daring oxide]

if you are having a bad day and just getting shit 2 buff combos

you are always compelled to roll plains more

well at least i feel that way

i get frustrated and press rtb more

until i hit 5 natty

[gaunt phoenix]

it feels like you are rolling over more than just 2 buffs

[daring oxide]

or something like BS + TB

or BS + RIP

RP*

no i swear

[stiff vector]

if you are low rolling buffs and ace rng, the spec feels so unbelievably bad man

[daring oxide]

im literally just rolling over two garbage 2 buffs

[mighty pivot]

time to give up and equip s2 set again vai

[daring oxide]

maybe its just a bad day

[stiff vector]

like it might honestly be the outright worst spec in the game in keys when you are lowrolling

[daring oxide]

nah the thing is

even if u are low rolling RTB

you can make up for it with SC a bit

SC is a lot of damage and CDR

so thats why i spam RTB sometimes when buffs are shit

[gaunt phoenix]

you are cursed cause i have over 100 more LD rolls in the same amount of plain rolls as you

[daring oxide]

also CTO sometimes is really dry and i cant fish cos it doesn't proc

[vivid vessel]

Solo washed up

Doesn't reroll enough

[stiff vector]

I deadass didnt get an ace proc in like 15 BTEs yesterday and pretty sure at least a few of those were SC

[gaunt phoenix]

[daring oxide]

tbh last night I had a good day and I didn't have to reroll as much, I'd get a ton of CTO procs when opening, fishing was so easy there were so many good fish in the sea biting fast

[stiff vector]

I was about to end it all

[daring oxide]

so my LD rolls were way higher

it really just depends

my vibes today are bad

no outlaw buff

im angry

i see BT

RTB!!!!!!!!!

they need to delete BT

or fucking buff it

my god getting it feels like popping a testicle

the pain

[mighty pivot]

solo BT into solo GM into solo TB but you don't proc FF to be able to get any good cdr out of it

[daring oxide]

just buff SOH to 40%

to match s2 4p

then we talking

[stiff vector]

im ngl im gonna crashout if they dont buff fatal flourish or something

[mighty pivot]

even at 30% it would make it more likely to get 2 buffs instead of 1. Unlike now. But imo they should rework rtb entirely anyway, why bother playing with percentages

[stiff vector]

there is legit 0 reason why I should be starving for energy with ADR up because I rolled BS+GM and im just spamming SS and getting fuck all opp procs

[cinder relic]

U mean the yellow quests?

Like 250-400 for each one

+dmf buff

[stiff vector]

and FF is just not proccing and giving me enough energy

[torpid fiber]

3% damage buff, 3% bf nerf

Eventually if they nerf blade flurry enough we'll have prio damage again

[mighty pivot]

eventually BF will heal surrounding enemy mobs

[zinc briar]

Still talking about buffs?

Blizz ignores outlaw

Stop dreaming

We dont exist for them

Just play subt/assa if u want a buff

Or play outlaw for fun being so useless

[thorn river]

tried that not really liking it so far

rather go fury warr route i guess

but outlaw so fun 🙂

[copper radish]

What buffs

[vivid vessel]

The ones we didn't get this reset

[copper radish]

I’m convinced they throw a dart at a board on who gets buffs and they have outlaw the smallest space on the board

[agile orchid]

they probably used chatgpt

[cinder haven]

can you turn of sound effects for other players skills somehow?

[copper radish]

“Chat gpt analyze wowhead raid overalls and boss ST and determine who needs buffs”

[copper radish]

Not sure if you can in wow settings. There may be an addon that could do it? I have one that replaces gun sounds with classic gun sounds

[cinder haven]

idk if something changed recently

feels like I hear sound effects from other players skills a lot more now

[mighty pivot]

someone ask grok which spec it would buff

[kind frost]

What is the absolute minimum haste u should have for raids? I have 2 options haste neck gives me up to 24% or versa main neck which puts me at 15% haste, what would be better?

[mighty pivot]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[gaunt phoenix]

neither. you want 19% haste and then it falls off hard

[last veldt]

Hi, I have been using Devlin's WA pack and really enjoying it, but does anyone know if its possible to have the icons do the GCD animation? I know it has a little bar that reflects the GCD but its a bit hard to see for me

[gaunt phoenix]

24% is technically better as you have crossed the 19% breakpoint

[hallow crow]

How much vers woud be Good on keys

[mighty pivot]

for cooldown icons go to the Trigger tab and Cooldown/Charges trigger, and in Extra Options there is a tickbox "Show Global Cooldown"

[gaunt phoenix]

as much as you can. most geared outlaws have like 28000 vers

[hallow crow]

I have like 35

[gaunt phoenix]

but there is not a magic number

[hallow crow]

All g

[last veldt]

Ah this is perfect, thank you!

[tired rune]

[plush cloak]

is a myth cursed stone idol better than sacbrood on champion? it sims lower

[gaunt phoenix]

in keys yes, but you need to make up the haste

you need 19% haste so if you just remove the sacbrood then you are below your haste req

[plush cloak]

So i need to make up my haste before using the idol

[inland acorn]

Are u sure we're even on the board ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[plush cloak]

okay got it thanks

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel dont go too crazy on outlaw this week, sandbag a little so buffs come in first ye

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[vivid vessel]

No

[torpid heath]

Here we are

No brain meta

[quartz magnet]

what would you take in this instance? already got 20% haste

[gaunt phoenix]

prolly M shoulders

[torpid heath]

Recap Over a range of 1 Day we're last on : Plexus,Loomithar,Fractillus,Nexus king,(probably dimmy too but 0 parse xD)

[wispy valve]

time to shut down the discord

[waxen scarab]

someone explain the new rule for SLH i suck at math

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

roll over 2 buffs

exactly 2

[vivid vessel]

Roll at 2 ooga booga math

[copper radish]

Idk maybe lol

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have 3 buffs ahead of container and 1 buffs below container

then roll (probably)

[copper radish]

Well well the other two rogue specs near the bottom. Buffs must be coming… right? Right?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have 2 buffs ahead and 2 buffs below... idk

do nothing probably

basically rolling over 2 buffs is established

but when you start mixing buffs above and below the container, it's kind of vibe rules

[waxen scarab]

this on fatebound or trickster or both

[gaunt phoenix]

Both

[waxen scarab]

so like old season tier set

[keen belfry]

gm solo

[gaunt phoenix]

sort of

hi

[vivid vessel]

Gm awang

[keen belfry]

oh hey CE raider

grats on CE

[vivid vessel]

Wdym ce

[waxen scarab]

thats guy

[keen belfry]

cutting edge

[torpid heath]

HOF

[gaunt phoenix]

collector's edition

[vivid vessel]

Ce

[waxen scarab]

guy posted on twitter today

[keen belfry]

grats on CE

[daring oxide]

show us

grats on AOTC

whats better

CE or AOTC

i cant remember

[keen belfry]

aotc

[daring oxide]

i see

[random stirrup]

Mr zac did you see the talent setup of the second outlaw to kill nexus king

[daring oxide]

oh

[waxen scarab]

https://x.com/ForeverGuy5/status/1965572303980544491

ForeverGuy (@ForeverGuy5)

Had a bunch of low % nerfs pre nerf, took us 2 pulls post nerf, lol. gg i guess

X · Sep 10, 2025, 12:25 AM

[keen belfry]

more letters @daring oxide

4 > 3

[daring oxide]

yeah i trust that logic tbh

agreed

[random stirrup]

Wait he swapped

[daring oxide]

grats to Guy too on CEEEEEEEEE

[random stirrup]

I saw 1fth pc for a bit

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel did u get it pre-nerf?

[stiff vector]

yea he did

[daring oxide]

the GOAT

[vivid vessel]

What was it

[keen belfry]

hahaha

[vivid vessel]

Ye cuh

I'm basically as good as liquid

Thoughts

[daring oxide]

agreed

[random stirrup]

in their other logs he was playing 1fth pc until kill day

[vivid vessel]

Ok 1 fth on Nexus king is littéral int

Who did that ?

[proven ocean]

a moment of silence till zac realizes both guilds have microwaved rogues 💀

[vivid vessel]

You know

[mighty pivot]

littéral int

[vivid vessel]

I have one thing over the world first rogues

[stiff vector]

tbh better, does liquid have a rogue who is goatd on outlaw on top of the other specs? Pressing x for doubt. Liquid rogue roster weak, they have no triple spec freakazoid

[daring oxide]

Outlaw's cute little micro peepee

[vivid vessel]

I know how to play the all 3 specs of my class

[proven ocean]

they dont

[keen belfry]

zac did u watch liquid rogues try outlaw on soul hunters

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

not even any rogue in top 5

know how to play all 3 specs

[vivid vessel]

Ye that's what I'm saying

[proven ocean]

💀

[keen belfry]

exile is a gamer, but his law is not a gamer

[stiff vector]

rogue roster went down hill after James left for OSRS

[vivid vessel]

Ye

James the into real rogue aswell

All 3 specs giga blaster

[proven ocean]

well all top 10 guilds dont have an outlaw gamer

[stiff vector]

altho to be fair, its kinda hard to expect a replacement as good as JPC

[daring oxide]

isn't perfecto a bit of an outlaw god too though?

[proven ocean]

xdd

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

i swear he pumps on outlaw once upon a time

[proven ocean]

vai

[stiff vector]

yeah you could say that

[daring oxide]

yes

[proven ocean]

when u typed aotc or ce

i realized ur abit cooked today

[daring oxide]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

These guys havent touched outlaw in like 3 expac bro

[daring oxide]

why

i was just memeing with awang ross

[vivid vessel]

Of course they are all microwaved

[proven ocean]

ye i mean

[vivid vessel]

Can't wait till outlaw tier

[proven ocean]

only very few rogues in the world can play proper outlaw anyway

like

[vivid vessel]

Imma be blasting

[proven ocean]

4-5 atm

if not less

[stiff vector]

s1 midnight confirmed outlaw tier+season SHIRLEY frfr

[mossy shell]

There are dozens of us

[west ridge]

Last outlaw tier was like wut

Nathrua?

[vivid vessel]

Idk can't remember

[west ridge]

And thats cause sin and sub were undettuned

[proven ocean]

zac

i cant wait for an outlaw tier

no cappy

[mossy shell]

They don’t want it to be good in raid. It never will be.

[proven ocean]

at all

[vivid vessel]

Same bro

[mighty pivot]

you will be in retirement by the time that happens

[vivid vessel]

One day

[proven ocean]

like

[vivid vessel]

It will be my time

[proven ocean]

people will be giga bad

[daring oxide]

i will chase ya

[proven ocean]

my outlaw wil be unleashed

[daring oxide]

in outlaw tier

[stiff vector]

I looked at how many outlaws had halls timed on 16 or higher before they nerfed Halls in NA, and there was like 10...so ye there is literally dozens of us

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

race me

[vivid vessel]

I didn't time halls 18 pre nerf

Am I washed

[daring oxide]

i wanna see the zeross re-unleashed

miss the ross law days

[mighty pivot]

you'd think americans would prefer the gun spec no?

[proven ocean]

once outlaw is good i'll do that

[keen belfry]

[proven ocean]

5 red bulls a day keeps the low outlaw dps away

[stiff vector]

nah you were too busy killing pre nerf dimmy, thats even better (FR)

[drowsy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/army-of-darkness-ash-williams-good-bad-guy-with-the-gun-intergalactic-gif-4281963833834684074

[vivid vessel]

(FR)

(FR-HYJAL)

[daring oxide]

zac got dimmy mythic down pre-nerf, give the guy alpha access

!

[proven ocean]

!

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

man

[vivid vessel]

I would have been so mad if we didnt kill this reset I'm ngl

The boss got nuked into oblivion

[daring oxide]

we need to get real outlaw players testing outlaw on alpha asap

[gaunt phoenix]

im ready for alpha !

[stiff vector]

the past few xpacs ive gotten alpha access for TWW, and beta access rly early for DF, so I played giga hours on beta past few xpacs

[vivid vessel]

Same bro ..

[proven ocean]

first thing i'll spec is outlaw

on alpha

[daring oxide]

imagine if blizzard rework outlaw based on some family social casual feedback?

[stiff vector]

surely I get it again right?

[vivid vessel]

Please rework killing spree realz !

[proven ocean]

my outlaw urge is coming back zac

i can feel it

[vivid vessel]

I ask once again !

[proven ocean]

in my veins

10 redbulls zeross

[keen belfry]

gg

[daring oxide]

you forgot the @ tag

[vivid vessel]

I need another ks rework !

[vivid vessel]

Can't tag him I'm blocked

[mossy shell]

lol noob

[normal aurora]

i wonder how much of the outlaw population is part of this discord.. at least the outlaw mains out there.

[vivid vessel]

Still more io than you

[stiff vector]

I mean mage gets multiple reworks every xpac, its totally fair for us to ask for multiple KS reworks in 10 years, right?

[vivid vessel]

Washed up?

[mossy shell]

For now…

[vivid vessel]

M+ season is starting again

[mossy shell]

I hate the new icon, it sucks

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J51BFZWApWI

[vivid vessel]

I'm free from raid

[mossy shell]

Bring back killing spree

[proven ocean]

funny video

apple users getting scammed as usual

[mossy shell]

BRING BACK KILLING SOREE I HATE THIS GUN SHIT

[vivid vessel]

I like how menacing it is

Nessa

[mossy shell]

You triggered me with that icon

[vivid vessel]

Don't come to the discord tomorrow

[hybrid crown]

Lmao

[proven ocean]

??

b est icon in the world

[stiff vector]

I love the gun shit

[proven ocean]

feels like a proper outlaw

[stiff vector]

outlaw needs more gun shit frfr

[mossy shell]

No

[vivid vessel]

It's goated just to threaten people I'm ngl

[drowsy ridge]

Why does Sub get Black Powder when we're the gun rogue spec?

[mossy shell]

I remember the best form of KS

[vivid vessel]

[mossy shell]

It was

[vivid vessel]

Give me all your golds

[mossy shell]

Warlords of draenor

[vivid vessel]

[mossy shell]

Fucking best killing spree ever

[daring oxide]

lmao honestly Apple products/ecosystem are a bit of a cult thing, unfortunately im part of that cult even though other phones are way ahead hardware wise...

[mighty pivot]

it's ok you don't know which target is getting hit anyway

[proven ocean]

yo

sup

zac

[daring oxide]

im preordering iphone 17 pro max tomorrow anyways

[stiff vector]

Someone comes up to me in a dark alley at night?

[proven ocean]

like or

[stiff vector]

[proven ocean]

?

[stiff vector]

watch it buddy

or ill

[mossy shell]

He does no dam anyway we will be fine

[daring oxide]

[copper radish]

Looks like fan art

[proven ocean]

my pfp shooting guns rn

[mighty pivot]

BB gun spree

[proven ocean]

@stiff vector

oops

@vivid vessel

[copper radish]

WTB back old KS icon

[vivid vessel]

[mossy shell]

I’m disgusted

[stiff vector]

wait what if I cosplayed the KS icon irl

that would be a goatd pfp

[proven ocean]

[daring oxide]

i think

[copper radish]

Irl might end up in jail 😂

[daring oxide]

some people really loved the brain rot of the last killing spree

[mighty pivot]

me when I channel for 3.5s and the hunter's pet does 3 times the damage

[mossy shell]

Brain rot?

[daring oxide]

just being thrown everywere 7 times in a single second

[mossy shell]

This version is brain rot you just STAND STILL

[mossy shell]

It was exciting!

[daring oxide]

lol

it definitely was when we were targetted by beams or circles

[random geyser]

I mean if would not mind a glyph to use my sword over the gun for ks

[daring oxide]

i'll admit that

[proven ocean]

?

[mossy shell]

I would intentionally do it on raid bosses to cause chaos!

[copper radish]

Now what if every combo point generated during KS sent a 100% to crit crackshots? Now that would be a KILLING SPREE

[daring oxide]

yes

[proven ocean]

it only slows you

lol

doesn't stop you

[daring oxide]

i do miss the memes/troll part of it

[arctic hollow]

I kinda miss the epilepsy button, it looked cool but spamming it hurt my eyes

[stiff vector]

old KS at least gave an excuse for if you lowkey fucked up one pull

[random geyser]

3rd boss floodgates KS was peak content

[stiff vector]

youd just say "my bad KS killed me"

[vivid vessel]

Nah but I'm convinced this ks would be so much more fun if it gave move speed and had a 40 yard range

Then you would be zooming around the mobs

Gunning them down

[proven ocean]

U KNOW WHAT THAT MAEANS ZAC

IT WILL BE

LIKE PLUNDERSTORM

[mossy shell]

In fairness I die less than half as much now

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

RIGHT?

LOLOL

NO CAPPY

[mossy shell]

Like killing spree was probably 70% of my deaths

[solemn patrol]

!fuu

[copper radish]

It needs to send something like crackshot give us that big burst since we wait 3 mins for a damn cooldown

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

!!

[vivid vessel]

Tf is Ross yapping about

[proven ocean]

zac

in pludnersstorm

u move fast

and u shoot fast

[vivid vessel]

[stiff vector]

old KS had to be like 75% of my deaths, I never die in raid frfr

[proven ocean]

we have the same animation no?

on plunder

i think'

right

ye

no cappy

[vivid vessel]

It's similar

[proven ocean]

boom bam bing

and

[vivid vessel]

I checked it's not the same tho

[proven ocean]

with speed

we will be the same

[vivid vessel]

I too thought it was the same

[proven ocean]

nono

[mossy shell]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-player-speaking-wow-gif-27271750

[proven ocean]

but

with the speed zac

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1265638924580159488/outlaw.gif

[west ridge]

Ouwlaw

[proven ocean]

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[proven ocean]

only legends have this specific ks emote

right zac

?

no cappy

or

[vivid vessel]

No capo

[west ridge]

Old emote better

[mossy shell]

Can they just make killing spree hit our target though why do we have to do bad prio

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/KillingSpreeDawnbreaker.gif

[keen belfry]

i think it was genuinely like, 90% of mine last season. directly or indirectly

[worldly shale]

wait

[worldly shale]

ARE U

:ALERT: what the helly :ALERT:

the goat

[vivid vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1384149071106932799/1387523703100674100/togif-3.gif

[worldly shale]

goat of outlaws

[random stirrup]

No he’s zerocool

[worldly shale]

no cappy?

the best outlaw?

[mossy shell]

Cap detected

[vivid vessel]

Wdym goat of outlaw

Bro hasn't played outlaw since legion

[proven ocean]

ye thats me

[worldly shale]

[proven ocean]

ye thats me

[vivid vessel]

Most retired outlaw player

[keen belfry]

someone send in zacs takes tierlist

[proven ocean]

?? i played outlaw literally all tiers last expac

[mossy shell]

There is only one best outlaw

Playing KiR disqualifies you

[vivid vessel]

[mossy shell]

Cry about it

[proven ocean]

💀

[keen belfry]

nessa loads into keys -10% dps

[mossy shell]

Idfc sue me

[proven ocean]

awang

is it true all NA rogues play HO?

thats why all of them are microwaved or

[mossy shell]

Awang when triple rogue keys

[keen belfry]

nessa when she sees -10% dps on the menu:
"ill take one please!"

[proven ocean]

last outlaw played KiR in NA was jpc

[mossy shell]

Awangawangawanga

[keen belfry]

i swear i play kir i swear!!!!

[keen belfry]

can i not play outlaw i neeed to untilt playing this spec

[vivid vessel]

Nessa when she sees she can get another -10% by unplugging her mouse!

[mossy shell]

Triple outlaw tonight and I’ll killingspree.jpg you on the meters playing HO

[keen belfry]

@mossy shell

[keen belfry]

no one beats awangawangaw

[mossy shell]

Mmmmhmm

[mossy shell]

What is this screencap

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps it is self explanatory

[keen belfry]

S2 was scary cause it let HO players do dmg in keys

[proven ocean]

wait

nessa

ur the outlaw that doesn't use a mouse

[mossy shell]

Hi

[vivid vessel]

Your alt no?

[mossy shell]

I’m sorry

[keen belfry]

@mossy shell thoughts?

[proven ocean]

or whyo is it

'

u guys all have the same name

[mossy shell]

HO still does damage

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

yes, but less

[mossy shell]

It’s me

[proven ocean]

fatebound still does aoe dmg on 50 mobs

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

aintnoway u use ur mouse to grapple

[mossy shell]

Fatebound is stupid

[proven ocean]

then un use ur mouse

then use ur keyboard

to dps

thats like

clicking bte with ur mouse

[mossy shell]

Yea I do use my mouse to grapple and then put my hand back where it belongs

[proven ocean]

instead of binding it

no wait

thats worse

u have to move ur mouse like 5 yards irl

to move 5 yards ingame too

[keen belfry]

HO players when they see their buffs on their screen for 30 seconds:
mmm im gonna keep these for a while (30 seconds)

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[proven ocean]

im curious how u can do movement intensive fights with that kind of gameplay

[mossy shell]

Like this

[stiff vector]

[proven ocean]

did u prog raszageth btw

because theres no way u dpsed raszageth perfectly without using ur mouse

[mossy shell]

Yes I loved that fight

And yea I did

It was great for outlaw

[proven ocean]

ye but how do u grapple on the winds while dpsing at the same time

[mossy shell]

Redundant binds

[stiff vector]

300iq

[mossy shell]

I have bte bound twice

[stiff vector]

[mossy shell]

Vanish bound twice

Eight movement keys

[proven ocean]

idk what that means but

ye but

[mossy shell]

Idk

[proven ocean]

in winds

[mossy shell]

Idk either

[vivid vessel]

Wait is that true ?

Why

[proven ocean]

do u do ur rota perfectly without losing any uptime

at all?

[arctic hollow]

New rogue spec, pianist

[vivid vessel]

Is it so you can go both left and right

Without having awkward moments

[mossy shell]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

Crazy tech

She into something

[stiff vector]

im guessing she has most things bound twice so that if heavy movement when she needs ot like grapple and move quickkyl while still dpsing she can do it

[vivid vessel]

I might have to steal that as my next steal

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

I like stealing stuffs

[flint pivot]

Time to get out the feetboard

[mossy shell]

No I make mistakes but usually because I’m stupid and not because of my binding. My binding only hurts me when I have to grapple without expecting it at all.

And with targeting but I’m rly good at tabbing.

[proven ocean]

i mean

so its not effecient

how come u didnt change it

[vivid vessel]

I have become a tab professional nessa

[proven ocean]

and played normally

[vivid vessel]

Are you proud

[mossy shell]

Cause I’ve been playing for 20 years

[stiff vector]

nah tabbing is efficient if ur good at it

[vivid vessel]

Tf

[stiff vector]

its a skill

[mossy shell]

And idc

[vivid vessel]

How old are you cuh

Fucking 40 or what

[mossy shell]

Also the viewers seem to like it so why would I change

[vivid vessel]

I was 5 year old when you started wow

Crazy stuffs

[arctic hollow]

I just checked a clip and it looks impressive i have to admit

[mossy shell]

I might not be the best outlaw in the world but I’m the best title player who plays w two hands on the keyboard :’)

[stiff vector]

tbf I guess the first time I played WoW was at the end of vanilla, then was addicted in TBC and wrath, but I didnt rly play in cata/mop/wod and only part of legion. So not 20 full years but like...I basically started playing the game prob like 18 years ago

[proven ocean]

wait a second

[lucid sandal]

Fuckin sending it 😈

[proven ocean]

nessa

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

did u do

kyveza

on ??

without losing uptime

[vivid vessel]

??

[proven ocean]

thats the biggest question

because

i wanna see ur gameplay on kyveza

[vivid vessel]

Also curious

[mossy shell]

I was able to get to 60% but tbh I don’t care at all about that so I only tried for like 30-40 minutes

[vivid vessel]

[charred carbon]

when will the sims be updated

[vivid vessel]

How you gonna kill Nexus king then

[proven ocean]

well thats a mouse issue me and zac killed it in 30 tries

[gaunt phoenix]

for what

@charred carbon

[flint pivot]

100% uptime until massacre right?

[arctic hollow]

Kyveza would be easier on keyboard turning than mouse turn tbh, because your character lags behind when you turn with mouse unless you are walking when doing it

[mossy shell]

That doesn’t look hard

[mossy shell]

I’m not Zac, sorry

[stiff vector]

ye tbh I didnt rly care about trying it too much because I was behind in gear cuz I only started playing again at the end of s2, so I had a lot of catching up to do early this tier

[vivid vessel]

No but it has the same mechanic and you need movement during it

It actually was an issue in our guild for a bit

And I'm like 100% certain

[flint pivot]

Do you use your mouse for dragon riding?

[vivid vessel]

If everyone killed kyveza ??

[charred carbon]

for the latest build with Sleight of Hand and Loaded Dice

[mossy shell]

Yea

[vivid vessel]

We would have killed that boss faster

[proven ocean]

kyveza is a good fight to practice wow

like

if u suck at wow

go kyvez at 680 ilvl

and kill it

[vivid vessel]

No but the ghost mechanic is on Nexus king

It's legit insane training

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe later in the week

[proven ocean]

honestly im proud of the dev team

[gaunt phoenix]

it's like under 1% stuff

[proven ocean]

for releasing something like kyvezan

on ??

[flint pivot]

Yeah I did enjoy that

[random stirrup]

ya kyveza ?? is unironically great for nexus

[proven ocean]

i was craving a tough challenge

for a long time

hope they release a ??? tuned for max 723 ilvl

but prob wont happen

[worldly shale]

u 25 too 😮

[proven ocean]

nah

hes 24

[worldly shale]

LETS GO 25s!

ok

[stiff vector]

I wish they would release something like mage tower 2 with some really sick transmog/apperances for each class

or just

[mossy shell]

Tbh I kept dying on kyveza because I would do the first 5 and forget there was a 6th shadow and die when I turned to resume dpsing. Idk why I kept doing that but it tilted me.

[stiff vector]

the og mage tower appearances

[proven ocean]

me and zac are the same age

[worldly shale]

i mean hes french

there has to be some

bonus or something

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel ur 24 right

or did i lose my mind and forget

[stiff vector]

im

[mossy shell]

Am I old oh god

[stiff vector]

[mossy shell]

I’m only 32 but that’s probably too old for outlaw already

[stiff vector]

yep

[mossy shell]

Wrists gonna snap

[flint pivot]

Legit

[stiff vector]

im 32

so ur old

[mossy shell]

Old as fuck

Retire

[worldly shale]

unc

[mossy shell]

Play assa

[worldly shale]

wsup unc

[proven ocean]

32 isn't old at all

[worldly shale]

32 is dinosaur wym

[proven ocean]

??

dinosaur

wtf

[stiff vector]

BM hunter main in progress, its more my speed at my old age

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/sml-t-rex-angry-mad-roar-gif-4206695623442034697

[mossy shell]

Outlaw is for 20 year olds who grew up using mice

🙁

[proven ocean]

i mean its not too late for u to use a mouse

it'll take u a year

but

[mossy shell]

Why would I

[proven ocean]

it'll be worth

well

[worldly shale]

ye i dont understand this mouse hate

[mossy shell]

Can you give me one compelling reason

[proven ocean]

thats how everyone plays

and thats how the game is tuned

[mossy shell]

Everyone is lame

[proven ocean]

to be used on a mouse

[flint pivot]

He'll get so good at keyboard he'll /cast every ability

[vivid vessel]

It's 2025 so I'm 25

[worldly shale]

what month

[stiff vector]

idk I think its kinda goatd to play outlaw with 2 hands on the keyboard like that frfr

much harder to do mechanically than with mouse

[proven ocean]

well if you fight kyveza on ?? you'll understand

vs a person who uses a mouse

[mossy shell]

I have

[vivid vessel]

December 99

[proven ocean]

like

im 100% sure i never miss a single frontal

[mossy shell]

I could have killed it but I wasn’t having fun so why bother

[proven ocean]

without losing uptime

[mossy shell]

I streamed it for like 40 minutes

[normal aurora]

forget the mouse AND the keyboard.. rock double game pads! the real meta right there

[random stirrup]

zac too old for outlaw soon

[flint pivot]

before 2000 is too old tbh

[mossy shell]

I can tell he’s getting old by his dps

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw age cap increase while I age so it's fine

[mossy shell]

Can’t keep up anymore

[vivid vessel]

No but nessa

[stiff vector]

imagine not remembering the year 2000

[vivid vessel]

How old are you

[stiff vector]

goatd year tbh

[mossy shell]

32

[vivid vessel]

You gotta be 40 at least

Nah

I don't believe these lies

[mossy shell]

wtf lol

Why do you think I’m fucking 40

[random stirrup]

Imagine being old enough to remember 9/11

[lucid sandal]

Is take 'em by surprise bugged?

[random stirrup]

Couldn’t be me

[lucid sandal]

1 and 2 pts seem to not have a difference

[vivid vessel]

You said you have been playing wow for 20 years

[clear tulip]

idk bout yall but ive lost count of how many annual 25th birthdays ive had

[flint pivot]

yeah the guy I know who plays with one of those keypads in his 2nd hand is old af too

[mossy shell]

Check my clips @vivid vessel do I look 40 🙁 🙁

[gaunt phoenix]

just tooltip error

[mossy shell]

I started when I was 12

[lucid sandal]

I see

[mossy shell]

Had a laptop I played on the floor w no mouse

[vivid vessel]

I mean you only see your hands in your clips wdym

[mossy shell]

That’s why I am this way

[mossy shell]

There are clips

[blazing pulsar]

What are the preferred weapon enchants for m+? radiant power?

[flint pivot]

Better than a trackpad I think?

[vivid vessel]

• you have gloves

[mossy shell]

W my face

[vivid vessel]

W

[gaunt phoenix]

radiant power / oathsworn tenacy / council's guile are pretty much identical, can ask top gear

[flint pivot]

It means you didn't grow up a clicker though

[mossy shell]

I actually was a clicker with a trackpad for like half my abilities including grappling hook

[flint pivot]

Grappling hook??

[proven ocean]

im becoming a big clicker now

playing osrs

and assa bleeding

kinda big clicking going around here

[vivid vessel]

Ah I actually seen you in df before I just forgot, you just didn't turn into hands back then

[flint pivot]

turn on clicked based movement

[mossy shell]

I got my first pc some time after legion iirc

Yea I was in college

[proven ocean]

wa

[keen belfry]

nessa genuinely couldnt do this right? or can you?

[proven ocean]

wait

nessa

how do u play csgo

do u aim with WASD?

and move with arrows

or

[mossy shell]

I don’t like shooters

[stiff vector]

my first PC was when I was like 10 or 11 I think

I remember playing the dumbest games on it vividly

[mossy shell]

I was good at Hanzo when overwatch first came out though

But idk shooters aren’t for me mostly

[proven ocean]

did u aim with mouse or

[keen belfry]

@mossy shell is this possible with 2 hands on keyboard

[stiff vector]

nah you cant play CSGO without a mouse legit impossible

[mossy shell]

I’m on my phone and it won’t load

[stiff vector]

CS requires far too much mechanical skill aim wise and movement wise to play without a mouse

[keen belfry]

load it

[mossy shell]

That fight is one of my best fights I keep 100% uptime on brong

[worldly shale]

bro i played like

i got a disc

[proven ocean]

https://www.twitch.tv/zerossxdd/clip/CrackyCalmDadOptimizePrime-QGK6yXZ6KCQUSVRy?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time try this bozo

[worldly shale]

with like 100 games

[mossy shell]

Obviously I would know the debuff is coming and there is a bomb

[worldly shale]

and i played a game called

buggerman

[mossy shell]

So I would be prepared to grapple

That is just mental awareness I have no issue w that

[keen belfry]

clean

[slate forge]

Can’t expect that from a mage player @keen belfry

[mossy shell]

The problem isn’t grapple it’s refocusing particular mobs when there are like 10 or more

[keen belfry]

my mage is so clean its crazy

[flint pivot]

Legit would've dropped that straight on the group

[arctic hollow]

wSome of us started in middle school zac

[proven ocean]

nope it was perfectly timed

shadowstep