outlaw

[buoyant cosmos]

I have a FDK and I get kinda mad sometimes when I'm playing it lol

Four or five buttons + utility + big dam

[stiff vector]

its just a lot more chill

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah it's fun

I've always liked 2h oblit too

huuuuuuge crits

[stiff vector]

like in DF S3 I pushed on my arms alt a lot too because I got the lego super early on him and when I would get tired I would just go on my warr to slam keys because I was too tired for outlaw lol

[buoyant cosmos]

I was doing high 20s on my rogue then and it was exhausting

queue for like 45 minutes and wipe in the first five minutes

[stiff vector]

well ye I stopped playing my warr that season cuz around 3600 you just legit did not get invited to any IO keys anymore because Arms was pretty dogshit tbh, only so many times you can tolerate spending an hr+ between invites for a char that is an alt

[buoyant cosmos]

real

Pls take me over that havoc in your Aug/Spriest fotm key

oh, guess not

[frail veldt]

yeah its pretty rough rn

its hard to teach

cuz a lot of it is like vibes

from just hours of playing

I have a buddy who has been practicing a ton and just cant close the last 10-15% damage to me

and hes not doing anything wrong and has very similar adr uptime

I just get more vanishes/btes than him and we cant really figure out why lol

[swift hedge]

one thing i notice when i've compared logs on my characters, is other peoples abilities just seem to hit harder, even if we do the same number of casts i can still end up way behind on dps

[worldly shale]

Hidden buffs tomorrow

Right?

[desert tendon]

Imagine how the pins would look like if Solo was pressing enter every 3 words like zeross

smh

[worldly shale]

Id like to see that

[mellow mica]

more hunter buffs

please

[worldly shale]

Ross should

[mellow mica]

[worldly shale]

Recalibrate solos pins

[desert tendon]

REal and factual

[worldly shale]

And type them in the ross way

Omega content

[desert tendon]

so outlaw cuh

today

we play sleight

cuz its better

and by lot

like lot cuh

[worldly shale]

No cappi

[stiff vector]

how

doyou

play sleight?

you might ask?

idk

just roll cuh

[raw ocean]

i fucking got it bois

[desert tendon]

ma boy did it

[raw ocean]

veteran cudgey

[worldly shale]

Fk u bront

[raw ocean]

INDESTRUCTIBLE

[stiff vector]

@vivid vessel congrats cuh

[mellow mica]

@vivid vessel congrats friend

[worldly shale]

Congrats french

[buoyant cosmos]

@vivid vessel congrats on pre-nerf kill

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

@vivid vessel gamer

[wintry solar]

Evidently it is to tob

[stiff vector]

wait is it still prenerf for EU or?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[stiff vector]

[proper veldt]

@vivid vessel grats

[vivid vessel]

ty guys

[buoyant cosmos]

They had a 40m wipe, so then they could kill it

[vivid vessel]

next time is as outlaw

(no)

[buoyant cosmos]

Did you win the mount?

[stiff vector]

we still need to see who is the poor bloke to suffer thru killing dimmy first on outlaw (prob lok)

[buoyant cosmos]

Him or his guildies lol

[stiff vector]

tbh im not sure if even lok has the heart to play outlaw on dimmy

pretty sure he said there was a chance hed be playing sub

[buoyant cosmos]

It's just miserable

I switched to sub and it plays a lot better

[red zinc]

wait

they just nerfed the kyveza delve?

lmao

oh its the ? difficulty not the ??

strange

[buoyant cosmos]

I wonder what kyveza looks like with more than one person

does everyone have ghosts to focus on?

[normal forge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/hotfixed-weapon-enchantment-buff-bigger-than-expected-with-bugged-raid-renown-378456

[buoyant cosmos]

They mentioned that in the patch notes, so they broke what they tried to fix?

[red zinc]

no

thats a hotfix addition to the notes

[buoyant cosmos]

Ah okay

[red zinc]

only appeared after this bug became known

the DK thing was stupid though

runeforge was fucking op

[buoyant cosmos]

I wonder what those cursed logs look like lol

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel Huge grats! hope you get dimmy weapon in vault

[vivid vessel]

[daring oxide]

with all these hotfixes rolling in constantly

maybe outlaw fixes on the way this week

[torpid heath]

Lol

Dreaming

[daring oxide]

ye

best i go sleep

[worldly shale]

Dream of outlaw fix

[indigo token]

wait

zac got dim down?

[grim spear]

ye, grats!

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel now go claim number 1 io pls

[vivid vessel]

yes

keys are back in bussiness

we get r1 overall io now

all specs

[strong halo]

do you do streets in outlaw?

[vivid vessel]

what

i play outlaw in every key

wdym

[strong halo]

but it feels so asss in streets

[vivid vessel]

well

it is what it is bro

[torpid fiber]

He's an addict, addicts can't just go "nah I don't feel like getting high today actually"

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt know you could vanish with a music instrument

[random geyser]

zac can u sand bag like azor so we get buffs

[buoyant cosmos]

I've been doing that to keep ADR between wave(s)

[visual folio]

guys i CANNOT do good dmg rn in outlaw for the first time ever 😭

[buoyant cosmos]

felt more worth before they cut that one wave out

[vivid vessel]

you can stealth aswell

i ask my tank to not take his instrument insta

so you have time to stealth before

then you are perma combat

and i keep a vanish for every downtime

[daring oxide]

i wonder if weapon enchant values will change in sims

with the new rank 6 aether buffs

[dawn tundra]

Hey, so if I'm not supposed to use Ambush in any of my rotations, what do I use instead to build Combo Points fast?

[daring oxide]

need to test tomorrow when i wake up

[buoyant cosmos]

solo was talking about it earlier, 1 radiant / 1 vers

[daring oxide]

i miss using depths

ohh

i see

[buoyant cosmos]

is potential

I think it might be sim based

[gaunt phoenix]

the buff is not in simc yet

[daring oxide]

depths was nice because it was so consistent

ah ok

[manic light]

I am pretty curious about the tier lists, is Outlaw as bad as everyone says or because its pretty high on Archon.gg or is it carried by 5 ppl

[buoyant cosmos]

tier lists are cancer

[torpid fiber]

It's carried by keys not being high enough to where the issues matter yet is the general consensus afaik

[next wedge]

havent ppl cleared 19s?

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is good in keys

not as good as s2, but good

it's boss damage in raid that's the issue

[next wedge]

outlaw feels omega bad in raid

yea

speaking of which does anyone have mythic araz tips

[buoyant cosmos]

the problem is tier lists influence the people that it matters the least to.

[buoyant cosmos]

don't die

[vivid vessel]

was outlaw considered good in s1

im 100% sure its worse than s1

both in overall damage and damage profile

the difference is that in s1 no one played phys comps

[next wedge]

wox was iirc

[vivid vessel]

you were trying to fit outlaw in weird comps with dk enhance

prot pal etc

well wox does that every season

but ye

[gaunt phoenix]

i think if outlaw is doing wf keys

then there is a level of "good"

[vivid vessel]

ok but

you know how that works tho solo

[buoyant cosmos]

appanrently he's a sub now

[vivid vessel]

world first keys, especially early on, are just player skill

[next wedge]

sub is just so disgusting this tier in raid

[vivid vessel]

like

[indigo token]

i hate these fucking devs man

[vivid vessel]

im a firm believer

that any spec in the game

any season

[indigo token]

whats the point of ptr if we still have this shit

[vivid vessel]

can do the same level of keys as wf keys

[indigo token]

every patch

[vivid vessel]

every season

last seasons we had a comp with a ret and shit

[next wedge]

isnt there almost always a player from most specs getting title

[vivid vessel]

was r2 grp i htink

[buoyant cosmos]

I think an aug got title too

[vivid vessel]

well title and r1 is diff

[buoyant cosmos]

true

big diff

[vivid vessel]

im not really talking about title rn

just saying i think if the player is good

and is playing with other good players

regularly

[proper veldt]

Zac is self proclaiming to be the goat !

[vivid vessel]

like you could take kira team right

[next wedge]

yea

[vivid vessel]

and put them on any random comp

they might not get r1

but they will do the same keys as r1 players this season

wont matter

will it be harder

ye

will it take more time

ye

[mellow mica]

live keys @vivid vessel

?

[vivid vessel]

but ye

thats my take

live keys ye

or wdym

you asking me to go keys rn

its 2 am

[buoyant cosmos]

I think it's true

[vivid vessel]

i go sleep

[mellow mica]

no sleep

go key

[buoyant cosmos]

no IRL ADR from the kill?

[quick scaffold]

man any of yall that have a good raid graphic setting can send me a screen shot im laggi over here

[mellow mica]

I forgot that our schedules are different

lol

[buoyant cosmos]

have you tried turning shadows all the way down?

If you're pugging into 30 man raids it's just gonna be clunky for most computers as well

[vivid vessel]

ye

but i still need to sleep

waking up in like

uh

5h30

or smth

[buoyant cosmos]

plenty of time

big gz

[vivid vessel]

ye its not that bad

[buoyant cosmos]

🙂

[vivid vessel]

i average 4h30 to 6h lately

i hate work

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

kill or

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

nice

mount

or

[vivid vessel]

idc about mout

[buoyant cosmos]

real question

[proven ocean]

??

[buoyant cosmos]

no mount

[proven ocean]

best looking mount since DF

no cappy

what the helly zac?

[vivid vessel]

look at this one

demonic

[proven ocean]

💀

[craggy barn]

skill issue

[vivid vessel]

ye

im ngl

i think

idk

i dont think im going to do this boss as ouitlaw maybe

i never did tindral as outlaw either

decided it wasnt worth

like its just not fun

these kind of bosses as outlaw

no point i guess

[proven ocean]

i feel like u had fun as sub there

sounds like a fun sub fight

[vivid vessel]

it is

one of the best sub fight ever

the fight is litteraly made for sub

bro ross

every end of phase

p1, platform 1, platform 2

you stop dps

and pool everything for next phase

so i go into every set of cd

[proven ocean]

nice

[vivid vessel]

with coup + ub + some sc + full sht stacks

[proven ocean]

ye thats what echo did too

[vivid vessel]

like in tazavesh hm

[proven ocean]

in rwf

[vivid vessel]

its so cool

[proven ocean]

but

perfecto didnt pool like i wished him to

i feel like he doesn't know the pooling things on sub?

[vivid vessel]

i trained in hardmode

[proven ocean]

maybe im wrong i only saw 3-4 pulls of his

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

its a bit one of those things that most dont do

[proven ocean]

ye

i dont think ppl know about it anyway

[vivid vessel]

i think what i did was kinda perfect for prog damage

[proven ocean]

i never saw ppl doing it

ever

like

[vivid vessel]

its like maybe not the best for parse

but for actual prog damage

i dotn think you can do better

than what im doing

[proven ocean]

ye

i dont play for parses either anyway i just play for prog

[buoyant cosmos]

parsed in world guild ranking instead of WCL lol

[vivid vessel]

im actually quite happy about what i did on this boss

[vivid vessel]

r2 speed kill tho

[buoyant cosmos]

fast af boiii

Pre nerf is huge too

[keen belfry]

im tired of palying outlaw in keys

[proven ocean]

faster than echo/liquid's private kills too?

or?

[vivid vessel]

ye im so happy we got it pre nerf

[vivid vessel]

oh probably

[proven ocean]

pre nerf kill is rly good

[vivid vessel]

or well

ye we are way faster than echo and liquid

but

we have more gear

[proven ocean]

post nerf kill just sucks

balls

[vivid vessel]

and 3% raid buff

[proven ocean]

no i mean zac

i mean

their current week kills

[vivid vessel]

ah i have no idea

[proven ocean]

well they dont care about speed kills anyway

they usually bring alts and shit on reclears

[vivid vessel]

ye

prolly boosting already

or maybe not

the boss is hard

[proven ocean]

not dimensius

ye

[vivid vessel]

dps checks are tight ye

with next week nerfs maybe idk

[proven ocean]

are the dimen nerfs big

[vivid vessel]

p3 dimensius is prolly the hardest thing i ever played tho im ngl

[proven ocean]

and nexus

or?

[buoyant cosmos]

I was doing keys w/ a tank in liquid and his only kill was M gally lol

[vivid vessel]

like you dont realize it watching it ross

but you know how its so tiught

to move around

[proven ocean]

nah i know what u mean zac

shadowstepping

i wont have issues with that i think

[random stirrup]

nexus removes like most of the ways people die

or nerfs them

[proven ocean]

but sadly i wont play it pre nerf

it is what it is

[vivid vessel]

cause you cant hit anything

and its so so tight

[proven ocean]

ye i see

[vivid vessel]

to dps and dodge and do everything

[mellow mica]

How many attempts were there to kill Dimensius? @vivid vessel

[proven ocean]

u prob learned alot just fighting that boss

[vivid vessel]

while not inting into some piss

[inland cairn]

How tf u know where shadowstep gonna put u in that phase btw

[buoyant cosmos]

running backwards at an angle while getting pulled is insane

[vivid vessel]

its insta one shot if you touch the bad

[proven ocean]

jealous of that ngl

wish i did dimen pre nerf

prob time to climb up

[vivid vessel]

i have a step on friends only

[random stirrup]

they didnt change p3 did they

[vivid vessel]

that i use in p3

for rings

[inland cairn]

Oh

[random stirrup]

just damage nerfs

[vivid vessel]

but i dont use it when its that tight

[proven ocean]

0 changes

[vivid vessel]

i dont step the boss

[proven ocean]

from day 1

[vivid vessel]

i dont need to anywya

[proven ocean]

only tmrw

[inland cairn]

I thought it was on boss

[vivid vessel]

it helps a lot

[random stirrup]

i mean even tomorrow

[vivid vessel]

you are perma dying

it makes it way harder

when you have to watch your hp perma

[random stirrup]

ah ye

[vivid vessel]

like for rings and shit

you have to be always ready to health pot

and shit

[random stirrup]

the step over rings thing is so

[buoyant cosmos]

The healer delayed lust is cool tech

[proven ocean]

zac'

[vivid vessel]

while always doing perfect movement

[proven ocean]

did u try vanish stepping dimensius

or?

[vivid vessel]

not in p3 no

[proven ocean]

vanish strike*

[vivid vessel]

or well

i do it

on p3 start

[proven ocean]

ah ok

[vivid vessel]

but like

[proven ocean]

prob a good vanish ye

[vivid vessel]

let me show you

[proven ocean]

but idk if u can vanish step it

like where does it even tp u

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4dcME8ED9XH6ScdpDynhMV0HWt-wFxX6?si=JGR0ThMwyeQt1mox

thats the only one i do

vanish is the same

but its one less gcd in the damage amp so no point

[proven ocean]

rupture not worth?

the amp window

[buoyant cosmos]

In P1 I got put right in front of him once

But never again

[vivid vessel]

dont think so

its 10s

• it would delay sec tech

im kinda gambnling on 3 sec tech

its possible

i got it like 2/3 times

[buoyant cosmos]

Worth

[vivid vessel]

you need very good rng tho

[proven ocean]

its 15? or?

[vivid vessel]

15 ye

whatever

same

i dont think rupture is worth

• it delays my whole thing

so ye

here i just triple sod

and triple dance

[proven ocean]

ye prob not worth maybe it is idk

[vivid vessel]

so i get a few additional gcds and shitr

and potentially 3 sec tech

if very lucky

[desert tendon]

ax

zac

[desert tendon]

u better turn your mic on

[proven ocean]

wouldn't shuriken storm be better here zac

[desert tendon]

and reclear as outlaw

[proven ocean]

like

u want coups right

in that window

[vivid vessel]

no cause

[desert tendon]

i wanna hear you complain 24 7

[vivid vessel]

i dont have fw up

[proven ocean]

hmm

[vivid vessel]

and im going to be proccing a lot

[proven ocean]

i see

[vivid vessel]

so i wont be doing a bvuilder for a while potentially

[proven ocean]

true

[vivid vessel]

but ye i get unlucky in this one

[proven ocean]

ok i like that u didnt just sectech insta

[vivid vessel]

like you can potentially get super lucky and basically do sec tech coup coup sec tech coup coup sec tech

if you really lucky

[proven ocean]

well u did but

[vivid vessel]

well i do

what else would i do

idk

[proven ocean]

ye was fine

[vivid vessel]

its the best thing to do no ?

and again

[proven ocean]

yea

[vivid vessel]

if very lucky

you get 3 sec tech

which prolly goes nuclear

[proven ocean]

how do u get lucky?

coup procs

or

just rng

[vivid vessel]

ye coup proc

and sht procs

like after spending sec tech + my 2 coups here

if these 2 ubs both procs

[proven ocean]

okok

[vivid vessel]

i get another ocup

and if you get that i think thats when you can get 3 sec tech

i got 0 procs i think

on this one amp

happens

[proven ocean]

triple sectech sounds crazy in that phase

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean its really not reliable at all

but ye

[proven ocean]

u hit clones too?

[vivid vessel]

i try

[proven ocean]

or ?

[vivid vessel]

i think i do

idk

i did it twice or 3rice

[proven ocean]

its 1+1.3 sec

[vivid vessel]

i dont even remember im ngl

[proven ocean]

the clones

[vivid vessel]

like i have done that phase legit

50 times maybe

and got it 3 times only prolly

[proven ocean]

o

must be tight rng

[vivid vessel]

but tbf lot of times i wasnt doing it entirely properly

i onyl started doing everything perfect at the end

[proven ocean]

i mean from the clip u didnt mess up the opener really

[vivid vessel]

i was figuring stuffs out early

[proven ocean]

thats where it matters the most

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

rest i dont think ur fucking up anything

[vivid vessel]

nah not in this one i dont think so

[proven ocean]

great boss tho

[vivid vessel]

But ye, you also need to be a bit lucky with previous platform

[proven ocean]

glad to see a fight like this exist

where everything is just giga hard

[vivid vessel]

Ahse sometimes I don't even get to this amp phase with coup ready

[proven ocean]

how tho

u need dmg on the add or

sometimes

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Cause you have the small adds to kill right before the end of plat basically

So you send a dance etc

And then you take gate and shit for the soaks etc

[proven ocean]

oo i see

[vivid vessel]

So you don't have full uptime

[proven ocean]

yea losing uptime is gg

[vivid vessel]

Usually I get my coup + full sht tho

[proven ocean]

autoattacks are omega important atm

[vivid vessel]

Cause the DPS stop can be a few seconds long

So it's fine

I didnbt have that issue often

[proven ocean]

ye prob irrelevant if it doesnt happen much

because you might also get good dps rng from ur raid as a whole if its a rare thing

to compensate

eitherway like looking at ur kill timer +3% buff i dont think that minmax is giga needed anyway since rwf rogues didnt even do any of that afaik

coup is w.e everyone does that ofc

[vivid vessel]

Oh well we overkilled the boss ross

I didnt finish my last set of cds

Didn't get the last cb sec tech off

[vivid vessel]

Unlucko

[proven ocean]

arent those nerfs way bigger than initial nerfs

or

[vivid vessel]

There was no initial nerfs

These are the only nerfs

[proven ocean]

no i mean first blue post

o

[vivid vessel]

Isn't it the same

Oh

[proven ocean]

idk

[vivid vessel]

Black hole reduced

That's an insane nerf

[proven ocean]

yea looks big

[vivid vessel]

Ye big nerfs honestly

Same they nerfed rings

Like the P3 was so hard

Might be way easier now

[proven ocean]

which nerf is the ring nerf

[stiff vector]

wait wtf they added more nerfs to dimmy

[vivid vessel]

Shadowcake

[stiff vector]

could of sworn a few of those things werent there when I read them earlier

[vivid vessel]

Like in P3 when the room is small

The rings mechanics get really really hard

And tight

You have to rush the ring

[stuck magnet]

With the WA a buff is above the container when it is yellow right? Yellow=Above Container, Red=Regular Buff (Will go away with a roll) Blue=CTO buff (Will go away with a roll)?
]

[vivid vessel]

All while your movements are really constrained by everything

[vivid vessel]

And then you have to perfectly let the debuff drop

[proven ocean]

ye i guess u can just easily live i think

looks like the entire fight is slowed down by alot

+less dmg

[vivid vessel]

So a lot of movement Is needed cause the timing is supper super tight

Ye

[pearl topaz]

so other classes are going to be even more above us with this enchant/oils thing or

[proven ocean]

i wonder by how much

if its like

[vivid vessel]

Might be huge nerfs

[proven ocean]

araz kind of diff nerfs

cuz

araz was crazy fast

and they made it SUUUUUUUPER SLOW

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[stiff vector]

tbh dimmy nerfs sound kind of insane

[vivid vessel]

Ye they might be

[cinder relic]

@vivid vessel post nerf lol

3 pulls

[vivid vessel]

The actual mechanics nerfs in P3

[proven ocean]

3

xdddddddddddd

[vivid vessel]

Gg cuh

[cinder relic]

I mean we had a bunch of 0.2%s per nerf

But the nerf is crazy

[vivid vessel]

But I killed pre nerf noob

Outplayed

[proven ocean]

zac > guy

green swap inc??

[vivid vessel]

They call me the multi spec freakazoid

3 times champion

Tc brainac

[proven ocean]

no cappy tho zac

[vivid vessel]

That's me

[proven ocean]

they nerfed forge and nexus like

legit nothing

left

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

u guys prob gonna 1 shot reclear

xdd

[vivid vessel]

Fine by me for my reclears hahs

I'm so glad I killed dimmy pre nerf

Feels so good

[proven ocean]

ye

[stuck magnet]

With the new raid renown thing do we have to change what we use on our weapons at all?

[cinder relic]

I mean my vaults this tier have made me depressed

Its so fucking annoying how bad they have been

[vivid vessel]

Rng can be rough ye

[vivid vessel]

We don't know yet

Most likely not

[stiff vector]

zac>guy confirmed(site didnt update yet for kill but doesnt matter I guess)

[vivid vessel]

French on top fr fr

[stiff vector]

(FR)

[vivid vessel]

(FR)

[next wedge]

i like u but then i remember ur fr*nch

[proven ocean]

thats some yap

[vivid vessel]

CONGRATULATIONS (dimensius was harder last week) on DIMENSIUS MYTHIC (it was harder last weeks clear. I know you've been working really hard (Dimensius used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (you killed a nerfed final boss) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (Dimensius used to do more gravities) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (Dimensius used to be harder) your group stuck (Dimensius used to be harder) together through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (Dimensius used to be harder) tenacity. Congratulations (Dimensius used to be so much harder) once again, and here's to more success in your future (Dimensius used to be harder) endeavors!!!.

[stiff vector]

[proven ocean]

CONGRATULATIONS (dimensius was harder last week) on DIMENSIUS MYTHIC (it was harder last weeks clear. I know you've been working really hard (Dimensius used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (you killed a nerfed final boss) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (Dimensius used to do more gravities) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (Dimensius used to be harder) your group stuck (Dimensius used to be harder) together through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (Dimensius used to be harder) tenacity. Congratulations (Dimensius used to be so much harder) once again, and here's to more success in your future (Dimensius used to be harder) endeavors!!!.

[gaunt phoenix]

CONGRATULATIONS (dimensius was harder last week) on DIMENSIUS MYTHIC (it was harder last weeks clear. I know you've been working really hard (Dimensius used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (you killed a nerfed final boss) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (Dimensius used to do more gravities) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (Dimensius used to be harder) your group stuck (Dimensius used to be harder) together through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (Dimensius used to be harder) tenacity. Congratulations (Dimensius used to be so much harder) once again, and here's to more success in your future (Dimensius used to be harder) endeavors!!!.

[hollow bloom]

[vivid vessel]

Wait

[proven ocean]

Wait

[vivid vessel]

Reverse gravity is the P1 mechanic

Only 4 instead of 6 is crazy or

[proven ocean]

wait

no way

[vivid vessel]

That makes the mechanic litteraly non existent

[proven ocean]

2+2?

LOL

no way?

[vivid vessel]

Ye or

It's just 2 guys on top of each other

[proven ocean]

ye

[cinder relic]

Ya

[proven ocean]

thats crazy

[vivid vessel]

Instead of doing the sort of triangle thing

That's wild

[proven ocean]

like

[cinder relic]

Its 2/2, winds barely push u, adds on platforms hav way less life

[proven ocean]

they gutted p1 or

[cinder relic]

we have infinite gear

[vivid vessel]

The nerfs are actually insane aren't they

[proven ocean]

did they nerf p1 dmg too

or?

[cinder relic]

P1 doesnt do damage

[proven ocean]

LOL rly

[cinder relic]

Gallywix

[proven ocean]

no way

[vivid vessel]

What about P3 guy

They say they reduced the size of the voids

[cinder relic]

The gravities don't do damage

so u dont die lol

[fallow python]

can we use AR prepull in raid?

[vivid vessel]

And rings are slower and shit

[proven ocean]

zac

[vivid vessel]

No it remove cps

[proven ocean]

this isl ike

having a free ironbark

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[stiff vector]

ye I mean the nerfs sounded kinda insane

[proven ocean]

on all gravities

lmao

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Well that's crazy

I'm ngl

The boss got absolutely nuked

I mean it was hard

But ye

[proven ocean]

its like

harder than any boss we had before no?

[fallow python]

but RTB fine?

[vivid vessel]

Ye maybe

[proven ocean]

@cinder relic is it harder than uunat btw?

or did u not prog uunat

[stiff vector]

still def a mechanics check, like if your guild wasnt progging it b4 nerf youre not gonna walk in there and kill it in like 30 pulls or something but

[vivid vessel]

Ye but supercharger get brought down to ,2 max on pull, so if you prepulled some supercharger before you have to wait after boss is pulled to press rtb

[cinder relic]

Dimenisus pre nerf was a very unique boss, because every part of the fight was hard

[vivid vessel]

Well sur but

[proven ocean]

ye but

is it harder than uunat

cuz

[cinder relic]

Nah

[vivid vessel]

They removed every mechanic kinda

[proven ocean]

all i heard about uunat was its the hardest of all time

ah

[cinder relic]

Uunat probs still harder

[fallow python]

gotcha so dont RTB if 2 supercharge, RTB after pull if at 2

gg ez

[cinder relic]

Idk fyrak felt harder

[vivid vessel]

Didn't max say it was the hardest boss they did

[proven ocean]

fyrakk harder than dimensius?

[vivid vessel]

I think the point of

[cinder relic]

WF prog =/= us prog

Diff game

[vivid vessel]

Guilds and players get better

[proven ocean]

ye WF prog is way different

[vivid vessel]

Is important to remember tho

[random stirrup]

man the nerfs were just too extreme this tier no

[stiff vector]

I mean fyrak was pretty hard pre nerfs, none of that fight was really easy tbh and last phase was actually hard before they nerfed it

[random stirrup]

they're just murdering these bosses

[vivid vessel]

Every raid tier guilds just get better at things

[random stirrup]

i dont get it

[proven ocean]

i mean

uunat being probably harder than current dimensius

explains alot

that how hard it was

especially when ppl weren't even that good lol

compared to now that is

i wonder why pieces got WF uunat?

that was quite something i never expected to see

[stiff vector]

I mean I think the top guilds back then there definitely still very good, maybe not quite as good as they are now ofc, but I think the real diff in skill between then and now is the average HoF guild is much better now

[lime lake]

i dont think the primary rwf guilds were really that interested in crucible

not to discount pieces

[buoyant cosmos]

That part

[lime lake]

but i dont remember the others going for it

[cinder relic]

uunat was also like

Probably the most hero stack required raid of all time

Both bosses required OMEGA gear and OMEGA comp stacking

Like u couldnt kill the first boss without enough shadow prietss and warlocks

[proven ocean]

ye cuz a friend of mine raided in project

[cinder relic]

and u couldnt kill uunat without teleport specs

[proven ocean]

he told me like

using ank

[buoyant cosmos]

The video I saw had like 4 or 5 shadow priests lol

[proven ocean]

was the play

on uunat

like

u needed ank

because of how hard it was

crazy

hence the 5 shamans i guess

[stiff vector]

idk I think even if its an end boss, requiring giga class/spec stacking is a bit cringe since its usually very specific niches

[proven ocean]

uunat was fine to be giga insanely hard

it was a filler tier

like trial of valor

[buoyant cosmos]

People have been Helya was mega hard for the time too

Or maybe it was the death less part for the outfit, idr

[stiff vector]

they actually fixed timewalking stonecore gear, before buffing outlaw

[rapid reef]

hey yall, whats a good amount of haste to have on outlaw? im very new and i heard 20k was the threshold last season

[gaunt phoenix]

the kir build wants 19% haste, which caps out the adrenaline rush gcd reduction after alacrity bonus

[rapid reef]

ahhh i see why alot of people are at around 12k then

[rapid reef]

Thank you! 😄

[proven ocean]

np

[buoyant cosmos]

That probably pissed more people off than the 10s of us playing outlaw

[frigid turret]

turbo noob question but my pepega reading comprehension doesnt let me understand it

[clear zephyr]

No buff yet? haha

[frigid turret]

if post my regular opener where i enter combat with stealth and do the entire bte spam and then i use vanish 1x to do it again, after my subterfuge is over the next priority is always killing spree -> coup de grace and then vanish with bte again

[mighty pivot]

they delayed the buff until tomorrow because there were too many changes

[frigid turret]

also was i losing a lot of damage by playing ambush > sinister strike in stealth so far lol

[buoyant cosmos]

Yes to this

If you're playing kir

[frigid turret]

yea i am

[gaunt phoenix]

killing spree has higher priority than the first vanish

well, fatebound in raid that might change

[frigid turret]

nah im talking strictly m+ for now

[buoyant cosmos]

I was going to say that but I couldn't remember, you want to get unseen on everything then start blasting with vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

you have your first stealth window, then build to killing spree, then vanish cause you are capped, then hold the next vanish until coup generally

[frigid turret]

so basically as soon as my subterfuge from the inital start of the pull runs out the first spender is always killing spree?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[frigid turret]

okok nice

[fallow sonnet]

What should I set this to when simming?

[frigid turret]

idk what it is but i guess my peripheral vision sucks cause without the weakaura to tell me i have 4 buffs active i legit lose too much mental realestate trying to pay attention to it myself

[gaunt phoenix]

30% is fine

[frigid turret]

also since i am finding conflicting statements about this from the pinned messages in this channel, asking a friend and wowhead

do you let killing spree cast fully or only until full cp/maybe to max energy

i always instinctively cancel at max cp

[frail veldt]

What's the default?

[indigo token]

imagine we go through the same thing next expansion

we just get worse and worse

[buoyant cosmos]

Max cp

[indigo token]

us outlaw rogues love cp

💯

🫵🏾 and yes that includes you

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[torpid fiber]

Depends on build iirc

[wintry solar]

Realz was wrong

[torpid fiber]

it's minor in most builds either way but some benefit more from one way and some from the other

[gaunt phoenix]

1fth should generally let it finish unless you are capped on energy

also if you need CTO for KIR i will cancel

[pearl topaz]

are we a novelty spec

would you trade some of the things that are fun rotationwise to actually do more damage

[fallen mural]

well i know it got nerfed but finally 15 HoA as outlaw 😄

not bad 😄

[wintry solar]

Ye

I meant to take the ping off, my nad.

[grim spear]

just look at adr uptime, it feels so wrong

[pearl topaz]

what if the change that had to happen would piss off zac, because I cant see them not doing it with a rework

[grim spear]

so why not just make adr passive?

[pearl topaz]

imo ADR should just be a toggle and reduce the number of max combo points

[buoyant cosmos]

That's deep

[tight kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/rico-yum-nice-gif-2509497699000111500

[strong halo]

has anyone seen a route where u go straight to momma on flood loL?

[pearl topaz]

also damn change our 'haste tax' bullshit and how terrible mastery is

god damn its lame

[stiff vector]

look at that triple threat value, insane fr fr

[gaunt phoenix]

technically that's just the offhand hit

the mainhand hit is bundled with regular ss

[stiff vector]

true it might actually reach 0.1% with MH hit

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[harsh forge]

what exactly is this talent option a picture of

what is happening to that draenei

[buoyant cosmos]

Draenai stank face

[buoyant cosmos]

Probably supposed to be singing

[stiff vector]

triple threat really does not get as much criticism as it should, so that is my reminder that you dont hate triple threat enough

[harsh forge]

what does that picture have to do with LEECH? HMM?

[gaunt phoenix]

they spelled heaven wrong

[stiff vector]

[buoyant cosmos]

QC is goooone

[stiff vector]

huge spell check error found by solo

such a keen eye

[gaunt phoenix]

smh cant have shit

[buoyant cosmos]

I bet that gets a hotfix before our buff

[fallen mural]

ya the original M0 route haha

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[harsh forge]

personally i think the draenei is taking backsots

[buoyant cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[fallen mural]

i think our tier set should just give us 4 coup de grazi back to back so we become coup spam class

[stiff vector]

also can we talk about how crackshot is still nerfed to 50% dispatch, why tf that shit still nerfed to 50%??

[frail veldt]

Isn't it just a nothing talent?

[stiff vector]

well ye, its entirely worthless but we have to take it for pathing thats the point

[buoyant cosmos]

The illusion of choice

[frail veldt]

Yeah I mean that's a lot of talents across many specs

They can't all be fun and impactful

[stiff vector]

nah not rly

[frail veldt]

Don't complain about it too much cuz we will end up back at shadowlands talents

[stiff vector]

not many specs have talents that are THAT worthless

a lot of them got those talents taken out when their trees got reworked

[valid wasp]

do embelishments matter on what piece i put them on? like on main hand vs belt vs wrists?

[fathom bramble]

no

[stiff vector]

but the tree kind of has A LOT(compared to most specs) of either entirely worthless talents, or just really bad talents that offer very little value dmg wise and build diversity wise.

[gaunt phoenix]

triple threat feels like blizzard thinks it does something it doesn't actually do

they once buffed it from 10% to 15% which is like.... literally nothing

[stiff vector]

ye I remember when they buffed it lmao

I was like

[gaunt phoenix]

i wonder if they think it is opportunity chance

imagine

[wintry solar]

I'd believe it

Whoever is working on outlaw now didn't get the memo or something

[stiff vector]

Its either they actually dont know wtf it really does, or they just threw darts at a board and it happened to land on triple threat

either one is kinda a big yikes

[indigo token]

like

the incompetency with rogue this expansion has been stunning

[wintry solar]

What little we had was great though but they lost all momentum

Besides ks

[tight kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[wintry solar]

I just watched someone get a tomahawk stuck in their head attempting a stunt.

Outlaw needs that.

I guess warriors have that already huh

[cinder relic]

THey've done that before with FDK I think in SL

they buffed like, a 0.5% damage proc by like, 20% one patch

literally a 0.0% buff

[fallow python]

when guides say spend at 6 cp does that mean 6 actual or is 4+ super charge fine

[gaunt phoenix]

6 actual

[gaunt phoenix]

xd

[fallow python]

gotcha cooool

[indigo token]

just like outlaw

[wintry solar]

For real!

You're so wise

And knowledgeable

[stuck patrol]

Momentum is a DH talent noob

/S

[wintry solar]

Oh I'm sorry I can't hear you

Speak into my mic

[copper radish]

whats that

[wintry solar]

Yo mama

[copper radish]

surely not KS that has a diff icon. right?

[stuck patrol]

[wintry solar]

Nah, totally just fan art

[strong halo]

I find it so hard to top dps in keys without battle shout

[slate forge]

It’s been unacceptable why even show yourself to ask for feedback if you blatantly ignore it all and leave for another 6 months of no changes

[glass mortar]

its ok

it was a practice round

now we can just copy paste every single bit of feedback we posted in it in 12.0

because none of it was tried

very efficient

[wintry solar]

We were so close to a perfect outlaw

We can only get so close

[frigid turret]

if i have 3 gear pieces with embelishments, can i just not equip all 3? will one of them just not work? or how exactly does it work?

[slate forge]

You can’t equip you’ll have to recraft and use the one that takes it off

[gaunt phoenix]

it wont let you equip them

[frigid turret]

damn that sucks

[stiff vector]

have you ever just like...pressed 15 btes and gotten legit 0 ace procs

kind of makes me want to

[buoyant cosmos]

can I have your pc

[slate forge]

Intended outlaw experience

[frigid turret]

idk i feel like my bte luck is off the charts and my rtb luck is doodoo

i know this goes too deep and is not really relevant especially for trying it out at first but since i have crafted sword + wrist for outlaw i was wondering if i can just farm 2 daggers and then have a 3rd craft like neck that i put another elemental focusing lens on and then just use that so i still have 2 embelishments while trying sub

so now i wonder how i can have 2 as sub as well without having a crafted item just sitting in my inventory while being outlaw but i dont see a way around it

[stiff vector]

I was about to lose it in that 16 gambit cuz I was legit just like...rolling straight doodoo for 5 min straight and then just perma not proccing any aces

[slate forge]

Embelleshits are pretty much within sim error don’t worry too much

[stiff vector]

it is kinda crazy that CTO is ever tuned in a way that you can legit not see a buff for 2 min straight whatsoever, whether it be from CTO or container

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix - 19.05% preferred haste still ? I am seeing alot of top parses with like 16000 which i think is quite higher than 19.05%

[teal garnet]

can we instant grapple floor to stop Fractilus KB for wall break or is it us physically hitting the wall that breaks it?

[long barn]

the wall has to hit the wall

i mean you have to hit the wall

[stiff vector]

you have to hit will first to break it then you insta grapple down

[long barn]

you must wait until you get knocked back and then you can grapple

[spice gull]

is there a command for the googoo doc for trinkets/gear

[teal garnet]

i figured as much

[long barn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice gull]

bless

[long barn]

❤️

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it is

[long barn]

Maybe they dont have the gear to drop it which i find sus.

[gaunt phoenix]

i promise you having 24% haste is not a secret to parsing

[stiff vector]

idk some times stats are a bit bugged on logs

[buoyant cosmos]

but what if

[dull ivy]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid heath]

just did fractillus for fun first dps was BM Hunter second was boomie

they needed that buff so much

[frail veldt]

Put the embel on a sword and a bracer

And just wear it for both specs

[frigid turret]

wait can sub wear swords?

[torpid heath]

put embel on belt

[frigid turret]

i thought its daggers only

[frail veldt]

Sword in offhand

[glass mortar]

they can wear a sword oh

its just very very bad

you would never do it

[frigid turret]

bruh

[glass mortar]

u can play the spec tho

[frail veldt]

I thought it wasnt anymore???

WAit is it bad??????

[glass mortar]

its far worse then it ever was

[frail veldt]

I've been playing sub with sword in offhand his WHOLE TIME

And cranking

[frigid turret]

so then at that point isnt it better to just miss out on the embelishment and say fuck the sword lmao

[glass mortar]

BRO STOP

[frail veldt]

HAHAHAHA

I'm serious

How much DPS am I losing

No cap

[frigid turret]

IF HE CAN DO IT I CAN DO IT

THAT WAS WHAT I NEEDED

[glass mortar]

when they changed how its CP off autos proc worked they made a slow oh like 10X as bad as it was

[muted cedar]

does outlaw use aoe on d.i.s.c. belt or just a stat one?

[glass mortar]

its like -200 ilvls or something now

[frail veldt]

I been doing t

[random stirrup]

like 5%

a green ah dagger is better

[frail veldt]

And still doing like 8 mil overall

5% is fiiiine

[random stirrup]

well 5% for an oh is a lot

[glass mortar]

well remember oh is a pretty low value slot to behin with...

yea

[frail veldt]

I'll keep using my sword lololol

Fuck it

[glass mortar]

and u reduce ur CP gen quite a bit so it does reduce ur gameplay a bit

get a dagger man

get a world quest dagger

icant

[torpid fiber]

why the hell isn't it normalised

[glass mortar]

because they want sub to double dagger

[buoyant cosmos]

spaghetti code

[stiff vector]

listen all im saying is pikaboo used to always wear sword in OH for style points

and he was giga good

[buoyant cosmos]

real

[frigid turret]

i basically donated you 5% dps cause im clueless

[glass mortar]

well in pvp sub is all about burst and its sustain is almost irrelevant

people wore slow oh because they had better stats

[frail veldt]

Yeah it's irrelevant in pvp

[glass mortar]

in seasons where the dagger was crit/vers

[frail veldt]

Tbh

[glass mortar]

i still wouldnt do it in pvp anymore tho

[stiff vector]

I know

but

[frail veldt]

Yeah fair

[glass mortar]

it does reduce ur burst window even by quite a bit

[stiff vector]

style points>

when you get declined from a 16 priory that says "phys" they took BM/feral/fury

cant rly blame them

tbh

just

sad

[red zinc]

Only thing rogue has on bm is being tanky

[stiff vector]

ye

[red zinc]

but who cares about that when hunter is just good

[stiff vector]

it was busted even before it got buffed

[frail veldt]

BM is very busted

[stiff vector]

but when outlaw actually legit doesnt even have a spot in phys comp anymore

its officially joever

[frail veldt]

And it's defensives are pretty strong tbh

[stiff vector]

entirely

[torpid heath]

Enjoy

[stiff vector]

BM will be higher than that, jut gotta give it like a week

[torpid heath]

im pretty sure there is a dev that plays MM hunter

way too op for 2 season now