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#outlaw
lucid sparrow
inland acorn
the one that doesn't work with subterfuge
inland acorn
The talent on the screen shot on the right
it doesn't work with subterfuge...
It's dead talent
proper veldt
Fr lmao
lucid sparrow
same guy that made fun of me btw
random stirrup
shadowheart 
proper veldt
💀
random stirrup
it doesn't even work with vanish im pretty sure
its literally just the stealth opener global while you're full hp
mighty pivot
shadowheart vs goremaw. who wins?
proven ocean
You thought u had 2% leech all along 
Not knowing its rogue and we have talents that literally dont function
wicked obsidian
with unbreakable stride and rushed setup you will also not feel the difference to have it or not...
wicked obsidian
i mean of course rushed setup will be the most useful, but you also will not miss it if you need to use wound poison
inland acorn
Ye
gaunt phoenix
the absolute wall of text i am about to pin about a talent that is 1. a small upgrade and 2. not done cooking
inland acorn
random stirrup
more outlaw kills on nexus than assa kills 
cinder haven
Buff us or we make rotation more complex !
random stirrup
loktark the goat
inland acorn
Buff us or we make rotation more complex !
inland acorn
Its technically a nerf to ST
gaunt phoenix
it's an edit to the original buffs
the first one was 6 -> 10% but they changed it to 6 -> 8%
proven ocean
Ah
inland acorn
Phantom pain is their cleave
gaunt phoenix
They did buff dark ranger cleave tho
inland acorn
Which idk if they even play ranger on cleave
vivid vessel
Reddit people are so oblivious
Like how are 95% of the messages on a thread about outlaw rogue just plain wrong
Not just weird takes or smth just wrong
red zinc
What the fuck does this even mean
inland acorn
I think it was about spell queue window or smth
Probably bozo smashing keys, and queue doing what its supposed to
torpid fiber
the one day I don't read ragebait reddit posts I miss out on correcting this shit
What the actual fuck
wintry solar
I bet he rolls without LD buff lol
vivid vessel
I think it was about spell queue window or smth
Bro he is talking about rtb buffs
It's wild
inland acorn
i meant the 1st screenshot
inland cairn
these are the people who voted for arakara and dawnbreaker beacause "3 boss good" 
wintry solar
Maw dailies until perishing
He'd probably like that
I'd curse him to a lifetime of a good outlaw iteration (reddit hates them for some reason)
I think they just hate Outlaw
Delete their account. I don't want to play the same game as them.
gaunt phoenix
Week 6? - 
Sleight of Hand gaming part 1
As you may know using Sleight of Hand alongside 
Loaded Dice has been catching on as a popular talent choice in both raid and keys, and it's not without merit.
Basically Sleight has been found to be an expected side-grade or a minor upgrade on average, a little more in raid as opposed to keys.
Sleight of Hand and Loaded Dice have some anti-synergy as LD already guarantees 2 buffs for more than half of your rolls. These two talents don't have a special interaction together, however with Sleight your 1/2/5 buff chance goes from 78%/20%/2% to 58%/35%/7%. so Sleight simply gives you a 7% chance to roll a 5 buff with any roll which is the main thing boosting its expected dps.
The main new rotation change with Sleight of Hand is that you will __roll over exactly 2 buffs regardless of Loaded Dice __, even if 
KIR is ready. This is really leaning hard into the gamba as you can potentially delay your KIR or you could instantly KIR a 5 buff which will carry you for a large portion of the encounter. However, if KIR is ready then you can choose to not roll over an important buff like 
Broadside if you know you will lose it.
With that said there are more optimizations to be found with Sleight and they are honestly still cooking. It's not a huge deal but if you play Sleight you will want to be cognizant of when you can potentially gain more total buffs. For example if you have 3 buffs, and 2 of them are above the container, then you can safely roll again to potentially get a 4th buff or at least benefit from 
Supercharger. However you can similarly also choose not roll in this case if you know you will lose an important buff like Broadside which is fine-- there is honestly a lot of "vibe rolling" that goes beyond the generic rules and is essentially impossible to test every feasible combination.
Lastly in case this wasn't long enough, it should be established that Sleight of Hand is thought to be a little stronger than expected because of the somewhat rare bug where RTB buffs will randomly stay behind through rolling, completely unrelated to the container stuff. Sleight increasing your RTB uptime and increasing how often you roll will certainly make you hit this bug more often.
In raid single target 
Fatebound you should remove 
Heavy Hitter and Blinding Powder to take Sleight and Combat Stamina.
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBjZmZmZmZYGGMjhZmZmWmxsNDAAAAAAsNzMDzMjFYZ2GAAAAmZGwAbwMGNmNAbTYxMA
In raid cleave 
Trickster you should remove 
Swift Slasher / 
Deft Maneuvers for Sleight. (Deft Maneuvers should not be used in the raid anyway but it seems people forget).
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBjZGzMzMDzwDMmZMMzMz0yMmtZAAAAAAw22MzMMzMWglZZAAAAYmZAwY2MMkBmFWoF2MA
In keys you can remove 
Thief's Versatility for Sleight.
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBjZGzMzMDzwDMmZmhZmZmWmxsNDAAAAAA22mZmhZGWglZZAAAAYmZAwY2MMkBmFWoF2MA
^this is a little more experimental as losing the Vers is a bigger deal than Heavy Hitter/Swift Slasher.
Sleight of Hand rotation is not updated in SimC -- sue me but we've got a lot of cooks to process lately . Just know that it will sim very similar/a small upgrade so you might as well try it.
inland cairn
inland acorn
vivid vessel
i meant the 1st screenshot
The first guy think outlaw GCD scale with haste
Infinitly
Instead of just cause of ADR thing
Which is Perma capped
He is the stupidest of the bunch
inland acorn
it's also blizzards fault
for not updating tooltips
ADR still doesn't show it scales with haste till 0.8gcd
vivid vessel
Adr tooltip doesn't even show it decrease the GCD so
proven ocean
Infinitly
zac
its very easy to think that if ur clueless tho
because we're saying 19-20% because we're counting for alacrity etc
im sure he had no idea whatever the background shit does to our gcd aswell
not just our raw haste
mighty pivot
# Week 6? - <:loaded_dice:1103604172105973802> **Sleight of Hand** gaming part 1...
63%/35%/7% SoH always give 105% 
(should be 58% for 1 roll)
vivid vessel
im sure he had no idea whatever the background shit does to our gcd aswell
He is acting as if our GCD decrease by another 30% with lust
cinder haven
This is the simplest of the cooks too hehe
vivid vessel
I think it's just skill issue
proven ocean
He is acting as if our GCD decrease by another 30% with lust
is it ryu
tired rune
# Week 6? - <:loaded_dice:1103604172105973802> **Sleight of Hand** gaming part 1...
cheers bud 
obtuse pagoda
how long we got until vault resets?
proven ocean
ye i mean reddit is full of ryu's zac @vivid vessel
idk if ur a reddit expert but
ryu is prob the boss of reddit
u could take it like that
fervent garden
how long we got until vault resets?
2 hrs i think
mighty pivot
vault is tomorrow wdym 
desert tendon
red zinc
Nah
vivid vessel
If blizzard don't give me the weapons
red zinc
Theyre mine
vivid vessel
I'm big mad
vivid vessel
I wanna be the first outlaw rogue rocking the bis weapons
tired rune
this week is half spark right
proven ocean
oh
proven ocean
cinder haven
Not even funny procs?
cinder haven
Sad
mighty pivot
weekly cudgel grind
weary fog
im ready to get a nightfall belt for the third week in a row
true cove
im ready to get a nightfall belt for the third week in a row <:garf_sit:13348894...
nah you'll get the claok this time dw
proven ocean
November/December isn't it?
ye
mighty pivot
belts and cloaks
red zinc
Surely they introduce something ridiculous in .5 or .7
Dont think there’ll be any funny content this tier
outside of boost
mighty pivot
what is the absolutely worst possible event they can revive?
red zinc
Korthia resurrected
(.5 has legion remix and boost, .7 is likely to be housing already)
doubt we get anything power related
random geyser
Anniversary event
mighty pivot
artifact bracers
mighty pivot
you have to do delves to add sockets which sometimes break and become inactive
wasn't alpha few weeks away a few weeks ago?
red zinc
Is alpha ever publicized
cinder haven
you have to do delves to add sockets which sometimes break and become inactive
And there’s a limit to how many you can get per week
red zinc
Isnt it possible its going on already
mighty pivot
you can only gather 1 brann toenail clipping per week and you need 2 per socket
red zinc
Oh apparently not
lucid sandal
Alpha isn't out yet I'm pretty sure
red zinc
Theres a friends and family alpha first
cinder haven
you can only gather 1 brann toenail clipping per week and you need 2 per socket
Also when socket breaks you lose the socketed gem ofc
red zinc
And then a publicized one which is still closed invite
daring oxide
Theres a friends and family alpha first
isn't it content creators friends and family?
@vivid vessel u getting invited or did realz block ya from alpha
u the big outlaw streamer, i think you'd be the best person to review the outlaw rework at first hand for the Content Creators
red zinc
Theyre probably still working on apex talents so slightly delay
cinder haven
Vai there’s something wrong with the colour of your name
daring oxide
nah theres nothing wrong
random stirrup
daring oxide
its correct colour
tired rune
u the big outlaw streamer, i think you'd be the best person to review the outlaw...
that makes way too much sense
cinder haven
Nah uh
stiff glade
Did you give in to the sub propaganda Vai?
mighty pivot
why did the % drop from 69% to 50%? what is this pessimism
lucid sandal
Apex talents will save outlaw trust
daring oxide
nah, I've become an orphan and invited myself into the sub family without their blessing
tired rune
tbf vai prob the most positive
red zinc
Literally nobody else
daring oxide
i just walked through the doors of the sub spec order hall and just sat in the corner crying
daring oxide
but tbh im on the last two bosses in mythic atm
currently progging nexus king and hit last phase last night
playing sub is a no brainer
mighty pivot
OUTLAW!!!!!!!
daring oxide
its that much easier and stronger
so much damage for no effort thanks to giga burst
proven ocean
@vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel @vivid vessel
red zinc
Need zac to lock in so dalaran gaming isnt seen as the only outlaw content creator by default
proven ocean
VURAI BETRAYED US
HES BLUE
BAN HIM
DELETE FROM FLIST
EVERYTHING
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stiff glade
I refuse. I am hopefully one prog night away from starting Nexus King as well, but I refuse to cave in. I will suffer with outlaw until it's done
daring oxide
@proven ocean u cant talk u were literally red for like a year
red zinc
Vurai is my pookie i would never
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> u cant talk u were literally red for like a year
proof or fake
bozo
tired rune
theres less than 800 outlaw players in the world over 3k
daring oxide
ross u cannot call me traitor after u been one for so long
daring oxide
hmm
daring oxide
hmmmmmmmmmmm
proven ocean
blue guy..
cinder haven
proven ocean
daring oxide
proven ocean
blue rouge..
daring oxide
its actually cyan
red zinc
mods should we blow up vurai’s wow housing house
hybrid crown
99% of outlaw rogues quit before they hit it big with class tuning
red zinc
❓
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> u getting invited or did realz block ya from alpha
I'm blacklisted
red zinc
❓ ⁉️
daring oxide
well my wow house is gonna be perma stealth, like our tuning and bug fixes
so
good luck finding it
daring oxide
I'm blacklisted
dammit
vivid vessel
Guy gets invited tho he is a wowhead writter
daring oxide
now were gonna have to rely on guy
vivid vessel
The he can spend all his time testing sub instead
proven ocean
@cinder relic u got alpha inv?
vivid vessel
Like last time
daring oxide
and he wont share anything with us
red zinc
The he can spend all his time testing sub instead
*ret
vivid vessel
Or ret
proven ocean
wtf
daring oxide
DELETE
mighty pivot
random stirrup
holy moly elon musk free money
daring oxide
@gaunt phoenix delete scam
vivid vessel
Guys it's moster beast
mighty pivot
muh dollars 
daring oxide
its a crypto scam
red zinc
Man i love the question mark emoji
daring oxide
been going around for years
cinder haven
They got deleted fast af
gaunt phoenix
The amount of accounts getting compromised lately is absurd
daring oxide
yeah
red zinc
⁉️
gaunt phoenix
proven ocean
@solo i have a cool new game for you to test
download in dms!
mighty pivot
people click suspicious links - like links to outlaw tuning
proven ocean
(not a virus i promise) it will tell u its a virus
but its not
ok solo?
np?
also
red zinc
@proven ocean i have a cool new assa bug fix for you to test
red zinc
download in dms
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> i have a cool new assa bug fix for you to test
what the helly
dire finch
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
wintry solar
people click suspicious links - like links to outlaw tuning
A link like "COOL ELITE CURSOR DOWNLOADS LEGIT!!" would get me to click for sure.
mighty pivot
which anime catgirl are you using as cursor popo?
wintry solar
Uhm uhm uhm
gaunt phoenix
i thought your name had 2 feet
gaunt phoenix
and not bats
wintry solar
That's wild Solo
hasty warren
i thought your name had 2 feet
xalathat enjoyer
wintry solar
Feet are gross
red zinc
⁉️
mighty pivot
Feet are gross
it pains me that I have to agree with you tbh
heavy shadow
Out of interest what is the current expectation of sim vs reality in m+?
mighty pivot
no expectation, every dungeon is very different
wintry solar
Blue name with kir/sc role is crazy
mighty pivot
ty
covert kestrel
Out of interest what is the current expectation of sim vs reality in m+?
slice isnt representative of what damage you should be doing in dungeons, it just simulates similar environments to test gear/talents against one another
mighty pivot
I hate that outlaw is yellow
heavy shadow
It's true but I guess generally the question is what are semi decent rogues pumping out, and yes I guess depends dungeon
wintry solar
I didn't ask
covert kestrel
Blue name with kir/sc role is crazy
i have considered being blue with kir but id feel traitorous
(i am enjoying sub this patch)
covert kestrel
covert kestrel
It's true but I guess generally the question is what are semi decent rogues pump...
depends on dungeon, depends on pull size, depends on group comp
covert kestrel
Assa, one key.
assa: never
mighty pivot
I can play sub for about a day
really? I think you being a sub perma makes perfect sense
lucid sandal
I tried playing sub for 3 days it wasn't all that fun
proven ocean
@vivid vessel yarrgi's words: i hope blizzard isn't watching my details rn
wintry solar
You can try another insult out
proven ocean
wintry solar
I got time
wintry solar
assa: never
It's fine, it's just textbook generic rogue and frankly that's pretty boring.
Sub too but to a lesser degree
wintry solar
really? I think you being a sub perma makes perfect sense
I only play specs I can play in M+, Raid, and PvP. If I can't play it in all 3, I don't play it at all.
mighty pivot
sub has a good theme, it's just its gameplay that is overengineered for no reason
mighty pivot
how can you not like goremaw's
wintry solar
Idk
I like builder spender builder spender cooldowns
Like dreadblades and shadowblades
I think they're fun 
mighty pivot
or abilities with _blades and a random prefix
mighty pivot
good thing you are not a huge blade rush or gsw fan then
wintry solar
I was a gsw fan
Now it's like watching your favorite musician write godawful music
Wish they'd mercy kill gsw
old gull
Blade rush is so cool
tired rune
I like any uncapped ability that lets me do damage lol
mighty pivot
imagine if BR wasn't hot garbage and they could use it to tune our aoe without touching ST
wintry solar
I wish we had the talent economy to take it
And it wasn't bad yeah
45 seconds on CDR is pretty good though
tired rune
they'd have to rework it completely because it doesn't work with outlaw atm
wintry solar
Idk how it doesnt
mighty pivot
it doesn't even do enough damage rn
wintry solar
Damage is caca yeah
mighty pivot
but the energy return is weird too
devout garden
BR was cool in SL when it was filler button against bad rng. Also that charge was really cool looking + mobility(kinda)
tired rune
it would be nice if it filled your CP bar like KS after the dash and actually did damage
wintry solar
My adr uptime is 100% in delves tho
mighty pivot
they could just add BR in deft
wintry solar
I was just about to say the same thing
cinder haven
We don’t have any talent points to spare for BR
mighty pivot
we will once popo removes UHUH
wintry solar
Dude I'm trying
cinder haven
Or anything else either really
wintry solar
Uhuh is prio rn at the office
mighty pivot
or garbage filler talents like triple threat
worldly sinew
I only play specs I can play in M+, Raid, and PvP. If I can't play it in all 3, ...
Just say you're a warlock main. Its okay. 😉
wintry solar
You'd have to pull my melee characters out of my cold dead hands
I'd never stoop so low
worldly sinew
I'm just trying to think of a spec that checked all three of those boxes.. Thats all 😂
mighty pivot
melee lock = dh
wintry solar
True
worldly sinew
melee lock = dh
You Spelled Assassination wrong.
cinder haven
Replace Energy with a new resource called Adrenaline. Pressing adr gives you x stacks of adrenaline, pressing vanishing gives y stacks. Using an ability on the gcd consumes a charge and lets the gcd take 0.8s rather than 1s
mighty pivot
You Spelled Assassination wrong.
the only demonic thing about assa is the bugs (and the slow gameplay)
worldly sinew
Theres gold in these hills this morning. I'm dying.
cold compass
Messing around with outlaw but im a sub main, can my 720 dagger be used in off hand? or is a slower 1h better? or does it not matter since its not BC 🤣
wintry solar
we will once popo removes UHUH
I'm also separating outlaw from vanish while giving us huge utility to make it worthwhile pressing.
mighty pivot
Messing around with outlaw but im a sub main, can my 720 dagger be used in off h...
!oh
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
worldly sinew
Messing around with outlaw but im a sub main, can my 720 dagger be used in off h...
We're in Dagger Offhand land these days. Its not in full mode but win some lose some
cinder haven
Too low aceleração
cold compass
We're in Dagger Offhand land these days. Its not in full mode but win some lose...
Glad my 720 dagger won't be sitting in bag then, thats the important thing haha
worldly sinew
I guess theres the cudgel cheese but it requires swapping weapons.. and I can't be assed to do so. its for M+ Cleave tho
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The 
KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after 
Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The 
HO build gets 
Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
mellow mica
oh
wintry solar
I went 20 accidentally and gave up
mellow mica
But I think that if I drop the ring, it will be fixed, I have the crafted one and the dawnone
cinder haven
Depends on how high vers you have
cinder haven
Think you have some mastery pieces that you can try to replace then
mellow mica
yea
worldly sinew
🥵
fair oak
worldly shale
gaunt phoenix
hecking love cats
late swallow
hecking love cats
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
tawdry linden
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
wintry solar
violet bronze
Hey there! does anyone know why outlaw seems to be getting better and better compared to the other specs for raid? Is it just scaling better with iLvl?
covert kestrel
My guys last night
fair oak
Bro he's looking at your expecting HELP
strong flicker
fair oak
And you're just there with a phone ..........
cold compass
Is unseen blade bugged like it is for Sub? We have to use shuriken storm to generate as backstab / ss can override tier set proc and we loose the coup bonus
late swallow
Hey there! does anyone know why outlaw seems to be getting better and better com...
i don't think this is happening
gaunt phoenix
Hey there! does anyone know why outlaw seems to be getting better and better com...
cuz you're not looking at Damage to Bosses
late swallow
in reality, most other classes tend to outscale outlaw in raid by the end of tier
gaunt phoenix
Outlaw is good at soul hunters and padding soulbinder / araz
violet bronze
ok so it's mostly pad dps, not the boss dmg that's making it look good on WCL?
gaunt phoenix
yep
violet bronze
dude i'm on forgeweaver rn and this boss is so annoying
keen belfry
Ty cuh
gaunt phoenix
outlaw's damage to bosses is considerably low even though that metric is inflated by Soul Hunters
if you remove soul hunters then we'd be off the charts
late swallow
Ty cuh
@keen belfry the type of guy to guy to say "check yourself before you riggidy wreck yourself" and wink after he kills an attempted ganker in world pvp
tepid belfry
What options should I use in raidbots to sim for M+?
gaunt phoenix
Dungeonslice is fine
tepid belfry
Alright, ty
gaunt phoenix
can turn off raidbuffs except for what you know you will have
keen belfry
I love it dw
vivid vessel
jolly geyser
gaunt phoenix
haste
hasty locust
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864> u got alpha inv?
Uh idk yet, but wowhead hooks us up
jolly geyser
What's up with that
royal ermine
still hasnt been any mentions of the alpha going up either, its already been a "few weeks" cmon blizz
heavy shadow
Did you always need +13s for 3k last season? I'm sure I did mostly 12s
might have been +2 then
hasty locust
im so cook
covert kestrel
i've officially turned this into a bit
Awang the type of guy to look at a 3.6 roengten reading and say "well it's not great but it's not terrible" (I just rewatched chernobyl)
fluid meadow
finally fixed my freezez, but now i can't say to my friends i don't have dps cause of that, what can do 🥹
quiet root
Did you always need +13s for 3k last season? I'm sure I did mostly 12s
i did 3k rating on one of my rogues with only 12s for fun, you do need to +2 most/all of them
last season that is
covert kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-feral-caveman-primal-spongebob-gif-119872826...
heavy shadow
i did 3k rating on one of my rogues with only 12s for fun, you do need to +2 mos...
Yeah me too it seems, this season I'm 7/8 12s but not even 2900 yet
quiet root
i had two +3s in there as well
harsh cape
Hello guys I usually just play for 3k on my chars. I love outlaw but I dislike KIR.
I saw this guy playing this setup for m+. Can sb explain how it works supposedly(Like if you Roll on CD for the Supercharged) and if it is legit..
frank finch
so we roll away any 2 buffs wether we have ld or not
gaunt phoenix
keep any 3+ buffs
frank finch
i have been doing it with only ld
timid idol
dispatch is back!
not the worst spell in the game again
it beat shadow quake this time
gaunt phoenix
so we roll away any 2 buffs wether we have ld or not
yeah if you use sleight. then any 2 buffs can go
timid idol
Sept 12, further buffs and bug fixes, focused on rogue.
proof
rotund zodiac
HANDS!!
timid idol
bro like
beast mastery will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER play dark ranger
why r they doing this
gaunt phoenix
They will in raid it seems
white marten
Dont u go rolling Hunter now
timid idol
nah
gaunt phoenix
It was buffed but also bugged in SimC which made it look worse a bit
white marten
Im watching you
wintry solar
Phantom Pain being almost quadruple buffed
white marten
Im always watching
timid idol
It was buffed but also bugged in SimC which made it look worse a bit
intresting
wintry solar
Crazy
swift hedge
those 2 changes were actually a nerf to the original buffs, but before that it was looking at 11+% ahead of the best pack leader build
timid idol
HANDS!!
bro i didnt do raid this week
is spider trinket from raid still 2nd bis trinket?
gaunt phoenix
and people think there was some collaborated effort to hide dark ranger bm from the world
timid idol
or can i run this for similar results
keen belfry
man wtf
gaunt phoenix
antenna is just similar now
cause the orbs might miss you the value is a bit lower than projected initially
timid idol
the only things i could use from raid are antenna and boots, do i bother doing until soul hunters real quick or
cinder haven
oh no vault time, no apl work then
sullen wyvern
This game wants me to play fury and not outlaw
another socket for my rogue
another 2h Myth track weaponf or my warrior
sullen wyvern
this has to be a socket angle no?
what's your offhand?
I would take the weapon but as usual, simm yo self
timid idol
this guy has higher dispatch
i dont get it
am i doing something wrong
isnt bte literally better watafak
how are people doing this much with dispatch are they deliberately pressing it over btes or what
gaunt phoenix
Why are you looking at this mini view instead of the full details view thing
keen belfry
what's your offhand?
i have 720 weap off hand, its hard for me to justify yoinking a dagger from a boss we kill every week
sullen wyvern
this guy has higher dispatch
this oculd be good rng with cracksot + ace windows
timid idol
Why are you looking at this mini view instead of the full details view thing
its not just this case i have dispatch so low and others have it higher
timid idol
this oculd be good rng with cracksot + ace windows
usually i dont even see dispatch in this mini review btw
and thats like almost every dungeon
its burried to hell
shadow quake usually does more
this is the first time it did less than dispatch
gaunt phoenix
The pin tells you exactly
strong halo
fak i think its mythic gloves angle
cinder haven
but we don't want the tier gloves
sullen wyvern
guys
strong halo
i have haste vers chest
gaunt phoenix
usually i dont even see dispatch in this mini review btw
hmm my dispatch would be 3.74% here
cinder haven
tier set chest is also haste vers
gaunt phoenix
seems normal
timid idol
hmm my dispatch would be 3.74% here
almost 1% over mine
mossy shell
the vault was bad... so bad... should I take a socket, or a free upgrade on my trinket (15 gilded worth)
craggy quiver
Socket
timid idol
i dont have other logs and my dps meter doesn't show a completed dungeon anymore since i failed a couple
would have shown a different example
royal ermine
got antenna in the hero track slot might end it all
strong halo
bro this vault is actually ass
its what i get for laughing at awang
oh wrong reply
strong halo
fak i think its mythic gloves angle
this one
cinder haven
pacemaker isn't bad
strong halo
i have mythic claw + prism tho
cinder haven
yeah, don't really need pacemaker then
civic zephyr
i got veteran cudgel, this better than 723 mythic weapon in M+?
gaunt phoenix
technically yes on packs but it's lame
civic zephyr
why lame
strong halo
because u switch weapons all the time
gaunt phoenix
because it's a 678 weapon?
civic zephyr
ill do the weapon swapping
gaunt phoenix
doesnt pass vibe check
strong halo
can take gloves anyway for free upgrades maybe
yeah thats what im thinking unfortunetly
civic zephyr
oh lmao
sullen wyvern
I wouldn't bother using that OH anymore tbh
quaint delta
691! makes it that much better
loud wing
does anyone know how to show the interrupt lockout on plater like this?
strong halo
do you guys use weekly source for simc or latest
sullen wyvern
how ocme
mossy shell
doesnt pass vibe check
but it's awesome
cinder haven
pad and gamba
strong halo
mossy shell
who cares about the ilevel
cinder haven
we have negative prio anyway
mossy shell
it's funny when people message you like why tf do you have that weapon
strong halo
every week i sim prism and it gives different results smh
red zinc
⁉️
proven ocean
@vivid vessel https://www.wowhead.com/news/dimensius-and-nexus-king-nerfs-are-exactly-what-hall-of-fame-guilds-needed-for-378455
indigo token
proven ocean
noob
quaint delta
man simc really loves roulette wheel
mossy shell
zac did u win vault
proven ocean
zac did u win vault
??
strong halo
zac is EU
mossy shell
=[
strong halo
Imagine playing on EU
proven ocean
imagine playing on NA
strong halo
and waiting 24 hours for vault
proven ocean
proven ocean
true and real
strong halo
Be like me EU living in NA
gaunt phoenix
we are like kat mains in league
strong halo
best of both worlds
slate forge
A full group finder and 1000s of player yeah I bet eu sucks
strong halo
we are like kat mains in league
aw hell no. were zed 1 tricks
proven ocean
A full group finder and 1000s of player yeah I bet eu sucks
eu sucks way more in lfg
im 90% sure of that
red zinc
what
slate forge
eu sucks way more in lfg
Yeah no loll
mossy shell
we are like kat mains in league
worse, master yi mains
torpid fiber
we are like kat mains in league
this hurts wtf
strong halo
EU prbly gets better ping than us
gaunt phoenix
Well kat you have to one trick or you wont get her
proven ocean
i mean
slate forge
There isn’t even a 17 key up on N.A. half the time
red zinc
NA lfg is worse ross
strong halo
There isn’t even a 17 key up on N.A. half the time
thats cap
red zinc
Title data just backs that up
strong halo
the keys are up the completion idk
proven ocean
u dont get invited
red zinc
join good grps
I mean doesnt this just prove that nobody is in lfg in NA
In EU people get to be picky
NA they are desperate for people to fill groups
mossy shell
that's why the title is higher in eu, people actually play the game. in NA it's so cliquey and nobody lists their key.
red zinc
And still the fact that EU is better than NA shouldnt stop us from complaining
Cause in the grand scheme of things both are still dogshit
Lizzard gotta address it asap (which they actually seem to have as a priority rn)
proven ocean
like 10x as many groups in eu
well
rotund zodiac
😭
proven ocean
that means u guys have a better community
or
?
atleast on EU we meme about hating NA alot
rotund zodiac
they ran out of crests
nvm, I tried transmuting and the cap increased lol
rotund zodiac
yea maybe that's the case
vivid vessel
zac did u win vault
I will ye dw
red zinc
You’re gonna play anyway
cinder haven
why my crest still at max cap ?
relog
cinder haven
google's AI overview is trash for sure
quaint delta
most AI is trash
red zinc
Alpha next week just based off the encrypted -> publish timeline usually
doubt the apex talents will be in there though
or anything related to rogue
strong halo
so dumb question but does that mean the fatebound bug happens 100% of the time
copper radish
Any of u guys have a weak aura that yells at u to hold adrenaline or vanish for the next vanish window?
cinder haven
not sure what you mean
torpid fiber
I think you have to hold vanish for the next vanish window
copper radish
Like if adrenaline buff is active and it’s off CD but vanish isn’t off CD. Something that tells me to hold adrenaline or gives the green light to smash vanish into adrenaline window. Tryna get ghostly/adrenaline lined up more for some PvP burst
bright crane
Sup boys - who’s ready to increase shareholder value today??
bright crane
Hell ya brother
stiff glade
We're beating the odds
(yeah, it's a low sample size meme)
cinder haven
me too
stiff glade
Holy, we're gaming
Mine are all on a dummy though, so I'll make sure that number gets nice and low when I do it in raid later 
quiet root
Mine are all on a dummy though, so I'll make sure that number gets nice and low ...
tfw regression to the mean
gaunt phoenix
both of mine are converging towards 7%
gaunt phoenix
cheating ?
cinder haven
but only 6.45% on 527 LD rolls
300 is just not enough samples
527 isn't either
I'll report when I have 5k of each
maybe
vivid vessel
Ye
Imagine we discover some characters have better chances
Cause some random id bullshit
gaunt phoenix
Well cause we know it is 7%
vivid vessel
stiff glade
I'm gonna make 5 alts, roll 5k on each and main whichever one rolls better
vivid vessel
Well cause we know it is 7%
For you maybe
Not for tob
Tob has the special character
gaunt phoenix
true
cinder haven
Good seed
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
craggy quiver
I wish I was special like Tob, after 1000 rolls everything is at 7©
gaunt phoenix
©
vivid vessel
Mines are still around 10
gaunt phoenix
Wtf
gaunt phoenix
you have good seed
craggy quiver
I guess I need to reset my client
vivid vessel
Ye
gaunt phoenix
oh btw
i did notice it fail to record a certain 5 buff
i had 5, then kir, then rolled the exact same 5
didnt record it
Idk if kir is related
stiff glade
Tech?
vivid vessel
i had 5, then kir, then rolled the exact same 5
Ah I see
At least this should be fairly inconsequential
gaunt phoenix
ye
vivid vessel
Does rolling over the same 2 buff kired work tho
Cause that would happen often probably
vivid vessel
Noob
haughty moat
gimme dat WA pls
gaunt phoenix
haughty moat
ty ❤️
smoky umbra
It's trinket day apparently?
red zinc
Wtf
copper radish
It's trinket day apparently?
Damn cursed idol looking hot
stiff vector
still have not seen a single good piece of gear from my raid slots lmao...but have a warpclaw+sacbrood in vault this week. Still not rly sure how I feel about claw, seems quite inconsistent/underwhelming
twilit rivet
what does the RtB "container" refer to?
wide coral
I got warpclaw
gaunt phoenix
what does the RtB "container" refer to?
from faq #1276308344813916261 message
twilit rivet
cheers
gaunt phoenix
its the mechanic behind rolling after kir
KIR pushes your buffs ahead of the container
cinder haven
Down the rabbit hole he goes
craggy quiver
It's fine kir going away in midnight
gaunt phoenix
i would bet on it
craggy quiver
Ian whispered it into my ears before I sleep
vivid vessel
Solo think about it
gaunt phoenix
😨
craggy quiver
That's cooked
gaunt phoenix
😨
craggy quiver
Wtf
vivid vessel
And noobs can't complain about rtb anymore
craggy quiver
So you want combat?
red zinc
If they put energy into rogue and by their interviews thats what they would do
vivid vessel
Same uptime
red zinc
I think a lazy approach is more probable but
untold heart
All bugs fixed in an outlaw discord, bold move
red zinc
a full rework i wouldnt be shocked to see it go
vivid vessel
Legit I would be fine with rtb button removed and it's just CTO
Simplify the spec
But not really
We keep the buffs
CTO procs
We kir
Gg
All good
craggy quiver
How about ho theb
red zinc
Cto would need higher odds and duration
craggy quiver
Then
twilit rivet
what is like the calculated gain from using sleight and LD, comprared to only using sleight + thiefs versatility? (m+) are we talking 5% or more like 0,2-1%?
twilit rivet
gotcha
red zinc
Or cto guaranteed procs somehow
vivid vessel
Either loaded or loaded + sleight
rotund haven
Sleight and LD feel better imo
twilit rivet
eyah my bad
gaunt phoenix
its <1%
twilit rivet
gotcha
red zinc
Every however many ss’s
gaunt phoenix
but the random rtb bug cant be modeled
vivid vessel
I mean just ultra buff CTO
red zinc
yeye im just worried about like
vivid vessel
I wouldn't mind just getting uptime from CTO
twilit rivet
so the average joe (me) would barey feel any difference
vivid vessel
Wouldn't matter
gaunt phoenix
yes
red zinc
Rotation possibly changing based on your cto procs
gaunt phoenix
Thiefs versatility doesnt feel like anything, but soh is more rtb which is more fun
cinder haven
Move sc to vanish like god intended
brisk lotus
anyone got the macro for slice and dice to be able to keep using it even if the one thats already active is better ?
gaunt phoenix
/cancelaura slice and dice
/cast slice and dice
red zinc
If it was the only source of rolls id be a bit scared of reaction time issues
vivid vessel
Move sc to vanish like god intended
Amen
red zinc
Especially since cto doesnt seem to proc instantly
vivid vessel
It does
brisk lotus
/cancelaura slice and dice
/cast slice and dice
ty
vivid vessel
It's only dispatch from crackshot
red zinc
ah
red zinc
rp shit idk
vivid vessel
Appart from kirring something on a proc with another one almost falling off
red zinc
its over
red zinc
idk i think there being both guaranteed and random procs would be nice
But just remove rtb as a button
frail veldt
Brother "noticeable" isn't quantifiable
red zinc
or make it passive
stiff vector
rip still no mace this week 
craggy quiver
still no 691 cudgel
One week before pre expac
frank finch
well
craggy quiver
sullen walrus
tirckster kir build, we'll use Loaded Dice or Sleight of Hand?
gaunt phoenix
Both
gaunt phoenix
710 is identical
daring oxide
ok
daring oxide
boe belt
craggy quiver
Boe belt
wide coral
oh true
undone notch
Cudgel baybeeeee
wide coral
but boe tho
left lily
!stats
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
daring oxide
low crit high vers belt on AH for 800k, should i buy?
copper radish
low crit high vers belt on AH for 800k, should i buy?
Min max that shit
junior coral
still no 691 cudgel
Yea same here, I don’t have it… reminds me of in DF when they had a neck that did a fire effect if I remember correctly that dropped off a world boss that was only up for a few weeks and it was BiS by a good bit and lower ilvl… game is goofy
gaunt phoenix
@vivid vessel currently CTO would have to be 45-50% proc chance with removing rtb to have the same dps as current
also the variance would be reduced by like 40%
daring oxide
714 ilvl
daring oxide
<@352916297262301194> currently CTO would have to be 45-50% proc chance with rem...
ok send this to realz
outlaw fixed
latent panther
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
left lily
How do you get the 691 cudgel
gaunt phoenix
chance from weekly quest to do nightfall
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> currently CTO would have to be 45-50% proc chance with rem...
No add it to ps aswell
But ye
I mean that's not even that egregious no?
vivid vessel
Opportunity has been 40/45 at some point I think
It's kinda what procs should be
Not fucking 30%
Or 7%
gaunt phoenix
undone notch
How do you get the 691 cudgel
1/20 drop chance from weekly nightfalls
timid idol
this was +13 gambit
either i am luckiest outlaw player alive to get this many btes or idk
and i can notice im not pressing dispatch alot
gaunt phoenix
that looks normal
stiff vector
ye looks fairly normal to me
timid idol
ok i guess im freakin out for no reason
gaunt phoenix
details trolling you
timid idol
i keep seeing it below shadow quake on the mini review tho
and it feels so weird
other outlaws dont have it like this
craggy quiver
It's ok blizzard dps meters gonna solve everything
timid idol
gaunt phoenix
this was +13 gambit
the 2.5% is crackshot and 1.7% is hardcasts
gaunt phoenix
pretty much exactly expected
timid idol
sweet
frail veldt
hmmmmm myth antenna or myth sac
timid idol
antenna then roll soul hunters trinket
iz that simple
bro i havent done tol dagor in centuries
when was the last time it was on m+
frail veldt
!fuu
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timid idol
i didnt play df too much
frail veldt
wait a second
how did I even roll myth antenna?!?!?!
Ive never killed the bug
I killed soulbinder LOL
frail veldt
actually though
timid idol
idfk
vivid vessel
its not a bug