outlaw

[random geyser]

Deathstalker

[torpid heath]

we would have a buff if we didnt pad like crazy on 3 boss

[normal aurora]

I'm testing on target dumby right now and if i have two coins then do vanish into -
/cancelaura Stealth /cast Adrenaline Rush /cast Ghostly Strike
and hard stop, i have 8 stacks of one coin, 6 of another, and no lucky coin.

[cinder relic]

probably literally

[arctic hollow]

Sometime the lucky coin doent pop if you skip 7th stack

iirc

[normal aurora]

That's what its looking like

[gaunt phoenix]

you still just did 6 coins worth of tails dmg

[normal aurora]

okay, but hold on.. it still gives 6 of the other coin and the next finisher gives you the lucky

well.. i gues the next coin would givey ou the lucky if you flipped tails

[midnight widget]

what's the reason raidbots uses shadowmeld before a dispatch sometimes?

what is the benifit from doing that

[gaunt phoenix]

nothing

in raid

in keys it will shadowmeld into stealth

and proc subterfuge

[midnight widget]

as a macro?

[gaunt phoenix]

there's a macro but it's kind of buggy

it seems meld is easy to break before stealth goes off

[cinder haven]

please write on wowhead that outlaw is bad so we get buff

since blizz just does whatever wowhead says

[arctic hollow]

Meld doesnt always take you out of combat, if some mobs have some auras, or some dots, it can seem random

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean if there can be just some random article assessing wcl page

there can be a random article assessing outlaw rogue weaknesses

which is perhaps informative

[midnight widget]

mythic mechanics with downtime? LOL

[frank finch]

those halls changes r giga

[midnight widget]

at azar (where i'm currently) i get the adds often and loos ar

[random geyser]

What if we design a spec that has no ability to take advantage of damage amps or add phases and then make them a big part of the raid

[hasty warren]

hoa nerf is so good

[torpid heath]

i'd say don't play that spec

[brave lagoon]

Yet here we are

[torpid heath]

Survival hunters of rogues

[hasty warren]

what makes us this bad ?

when we look damages we looks fine

ik it's not relevent

[frail veldt]

Its pretty consistent

Its not the mobs

It's your characters actions in my experience

[torpid heath]

No burst dmg, we cant have 100% uptime on bosses, No ST dmg

[frail veldt]

I turn away from the mobs and wait for my swings to end before melding

And it's like 99% successful for me

[craggy barn]

whos gonna write the outlaw article 😠

[hasty warren]

well burst damage isn ot outlaw identity imo, boss (and in general) uptime is shit, and y out ST is cringe even with GS

[torpid heath]

ur asking why we're bad

[random geyser]

Don't worry they look at overall raid dps we are the best rogue spec

[torpid heath]

this raid is only amp dmg or quick ads

[keen belfry]

wait guys

[torpid heath]

and downtime like dimensius where we lose ADR

[grave carbon]

they could buff us 30% and we still bad on dimensius

[keen belfry]

is outlaw op now in halls cuz less mobs so less over 8 so less mhm so we blast now right?

[craggy barn]

no

[hasty warren]

oh y mb I was m+ focused, Raid is horrible for us

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[keen belfry]

ty solo

[torpid heath]

m+ we're good

[keen belfry]

no

[hasty warren]

ye tricks build is good

in aoe

[torpid heath]

St is kinda trash with Trickster

but thats all

[random geyser]

Outlaw is still worst at higher keys cause we can't help with gigantic pulls like sub or assa right?

[hardy thicket]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[torpid heath]

Assa is buggy as hell RN

[grave carbon]

only if your name isnt zac

[random geyser]

Well unfortunately I can't just send Zac's info to people to get invites lol

[torpid heath]

Queue as sub

xD

[copper radish]

What ST 😂

[random geyser]

Nah I got my 8 i dont have to suffer til tomorrow lol

[vapid sundial]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[dawn talon]

i have a set of 4 and 2 hand towels

[keen belfry]

yeah im at 5 idk why i dont need 5

i do laundry often

[proven ocean]

ok

how did they not nerf blood overseer in arakara

legit hardest mob in the dungeon

his aoe shit on the ground is far too many and crowded

and ppl just die perma there

good poison nerfs but honestly not the biggest issue

maybe overseer nerfs later for sure

[daring oxide]

write on the direct blizzard forum page

also yeah

[loud wing]

yall think the dumbasses at blizzard play outlaw? no way right

[patent mirage]

we cant get buffs\

[lucid sparrow]

they can barely use a controller

[patent mirage]

theres none to do them

[lucid sparrow]

u expect them to play rogue

[loud wing]

can we just close the discord

[daring oxide]

Relax

There is still time

Just wait

We can revolt when reset happens and no stuffs

[hearty fulcrum]

You’re so optimistic, Vai. It’s impressive tbh.

[daring oxide]

I mean they’ve posted updates to blue notes much later than this

[indigo token]

alright

everyone save your gifs now

we're gonna be shutting this channel down in a few hours

[daring oxide]

I’d imagine it’s either they are still cooking or they genuinely think we are ok and don’t want to help us thanks to @vivid vessel making realz sad

[daring oxide]

It’s better to keep this channel open

[hearty fulcrum]

It’s hard to imagine since they already gave an update an hour ago. You’d think they’d give all their updates at once instead of periodically throughout the day.

[daring oxide]

We need to be contained in here

Our energy is too high for the other two channels

The emo channel and the retirement home channel can’t handle us

[loud wing]

The changes needed are so damn obvious it's beyond me

[worldly shale]

retirement home channel

[loud wing]

Gameplay is really good it's just 3 changes away from an actual spec

[worldly shale]

100% aura

incoming

[daring oxide]

What changes do we need?

[stuck sparrow]

is sub even the emo channel anymore

[loud wing]

Uncap BF

[stuck sparrow]

lately its gotten infested with fotm monkeys

[daring oxide]

fotm usually more emo

[loud wing]

ST buffs

[daring oxide]

very emotional and desperate to be on the hype all the time

[gaunt phoenix]

@daring oxide i updated my very real notes

thoughts ?!

[loud wing]

Make GS a buff not a debuff

[prisma vessel]

i mean when you burst to like 20m+ its kinda intoxicating, maybe its the mind numbing channel..... who knows!

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix Killing Spree now fixates your primary target within 8 yards. Killing Spree will fire randomly while you do not have a target or the target is out of range.

very good i like

[loud wing]

Make KS target ur current target not random

[indigo token]

PLEASE

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix you been chatting to realz?

[indigo token]

if any of you STUPID devs are here

just steal the notes

[daring oxide]

can you give him a call please

[stuck sparrow]

20m is nothing

[gaunt phoenix]

increases your haste by 25% while Killing Spree is active.

this is cooking

[white marten]

HO on top!!

[prisma vessel]

there's a plus in there

[stuck sparrow]

yeah 20 is kinda low end

you can burst over 20 on aoe even as assa

[prisma vessel]

yeah i hit my first 22m today in a halls 12, spicy pull but was fun.

guess i just need more targets

[white marten]

More targets but not more than 8

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah its funny as sub or sin i can say a 30m pull is

"ok"

[prisma vessel]

wild

[loud wing]

As outlaw you can bring out the champagne when u beat the tank

Its an acquired taste

[keen geyser]

this a nerf

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

you know

i almost cried a little solo

its legit so easy to fix outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

[stiff vector]

it is actually wild they went back and did more BM hunter tuning before we got jack shit

that should be a warcrime in at least 35 countries

[keen geyser]

yes its a nerf of the first thing from 10 to 8% and the 2nd thing is not played before and after changes

yw

[red zinc]

How does he know so much about bm hunter

Heretic

Mods ban him

[keen geyser]

IMPOSTOR

[indigo token]

"We don't want you to play Outlaw Rogue."

this is what it feels like

[junior coral]

So since they updated these balance tuning changes, that’s pretty much a nail in the coffin for any chance of us getting tuning this week????

[gaunt shadow]

Hello guys I don't know if this is the fit channel for the question but i'll still ask it. My friend plays outlaw rogue and on sim he gets about 1M dps ( 3.540M dps on last sim I can post link ) less than me ( i play DH ) and the difference is about 3 ilvl and he's 2/4 set, but I still feel 1M dps on sim is a lot considering this. Is this the state of rogue right now or he's doing something wrong? He's thinking about re-speccing and thought I might help him

[indigo token]

i sincerely doubt we're gonna see buffs for the rest of the expansion

hell

we're prob not gonna get our subterfuge bug fixed on dim

[frail veldt]

missing 4 set is a lot of dps, also he could be under haste cap that could cause some losses in dps

he also could be running the wrong build

so prob link the sim and we could tell you if theres something wrong

[gaunt shadow]

This is the sim

[frail veldt]

but also outlaw isnt that strong rn so its probably accurate

oh thats sub rogue

[gaunt shadow]

oh

sorry

Will post in the sub channel

[stiff vector]

ngl kind of funny they decided to not only save DR for BM, but make it turbo broken...yet Sub only has 1 playable hero tree and it sims for basically as much as DR BM pre buff

[versed crow]

friends, i need to craft an item with my gilded spark, what's the bis? 🥰

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[keen belfry]

guys

first boss arakara

?!?!!?

[vivid vessel]

holy shmokerio !

[late swallow]

outlaw insane funnel????

[keen belfry]

not my dmg

[late swallow]

[keen belfry]

look

at boomy

[cold jewel]

ur resto is trolling

[late swallow]

costcoweener

[keen belfry]

then boomy lost to tank

in boss damage

the dps boomkin

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106

[cold jewel]

can you blame them? they are the most oppressed spec in the game

always bad

[vapid sundial]

costcoweener

and awiener in the same group

insane

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/aj-befumo-costco-guys-aew-all-elite-wrestling-big-boom-aj-gif-9544147895268490512

[versed crow]

any ideas 🙁

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mf-doom-metal-face-mf-gif-7527857

[bright crane]

#1276310705905336442 message

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/outlaw/bis-gear

Google exists, brother

Use it well, use it responsibly

[late swallow]

yungman u sassy af today king

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

I wonder how ectum is doing

Not good.

hasnt timed anything really since then

[loud wing]

snitches get stitches

[vapid sundial]

bro

its literally there

punch the name into raider io

[bright crane]

Ectum? More like rectum

Cause he ASS

I really got it goin on today

https://tenor.com/view/queen-rihanna-riri-slay-gif-11641453

[stiff vector]

thank god finally got last 15 resil, just skipped over 15 hoa and timed 16 instead playing double rogue

[craggy quiver]

I don't get the point of resil keys

Seems dumb af

Lol

[late swallow]

goated, appreciate you sharing king

[dawn talon]

u can play funny homework keys w the boys on ratty alts

and other shit

it's fun

[craggy quiver]

Dunno if we have no keys left in our group we just call it for the week lol

[stiff vector]

I swear everyimte I play double rogue key, key gets timed 90% success rate...no double rogue, key bricks 1st pull

[cobalt sail]

I really feel the out of outlaw right now, groups are allergic to us

[dawn talon]

idk, makes sense for pugs too

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[dawn talon]

u brick ur 13 while pushing for the first time in ur life and u can invite people to ur 12 without sweating

and they obviously want more people to try keys above 10

it's not rly a system that's made w players like me in mind but i think it's good to have in the game

[cobalt sail]

I could only do 1x15 since last week, i fell rusty

[dawn talon]

it also gives ppl who are like progressive goal oriented something to shoot for

[gusty moon]

wsh beau goss

[dawn talon]

it's a lot more compelling to tell urself 'im going to get resil 15s this week' and do it than it is to say 'well im gonna do all 15s i guess' bc there's something attached to it

even if that something is kinda worthless

[sleek thorn]

@indigo token hey...

oil up

[indigo token]

???

tf did I do

[sleek thorn]

nothing

oil up

[indigo token]

no!!!

[sleek thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

yes

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nuh-uh-shake-head-wobbly-gif-17392991841467440232

[sleek thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/yuh-uh-yuh-uh-cat-nuh-uh-nuh-uh-cat-gif-6084803924634590772

[craggy quiver]

Dunno still feels dum unless I'm selling keys or whatever lol

[sleek thorn]

my cat is more cat than your cat so i win

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-backshots-online-card-virtual-backshots-gif-3195502009624477197

[sleek thorn]

👀

#Need #That

[frail veldt]

I think its meant to require less "farming" and "homework" which can artificially gate good players from getting rating who dont have as much time to play

[sleek thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177104013431414826/1227744060484096072/FB056343-E74B-447C-A485-EF06604B35D7.gif

[junior coral]

Why does it feel so easy to get into the top 1% of players lmao

[stiff vector]

some1 edit a hunter in next to the boomkin so they can both get kicked down the stairs

[junior coral]

Most gamers really that bad lol?

[frail veldt]

Idk how often do you play

It's top 1% of people who have any m+ rating at all

It's not top 1% of people trying to get as high of a score as possible

It's like it's not hard to have a higher bench than 99% of the people at your gym if most of them aren't going to the gym to get a high max bench

[old gull]

I like to play less popular or bad specs so I have an excuse if I suck…

[quaint mauve]

dms…. now…

[indigo token]

oh wait

why did you send me a piano video

i thought i was being spammed by a bot

[quaint mauve]

big advancements going on

in this ever changing world

[lucid sparrow]

whats the ''perfect'' amount of stats for m+ outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

you need 19% haste, then lots of vers and some crit

[civic zephyr]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F4JjrHYvxZMgNkAT?fight=last&type=damage-done -- someone help me be better please

[gaunt phoenix]

vers and crit wont really have a "perfect" value that is meaningful

the difference between like 11000 crit 26000 vers and 9000 crit 28000 vers is nothing

[quaint mauve]

bro this dude started the key with no countdown

and i wasn’t swapped to outlaw from sub

i performed the worst i have ever

[gaunt phoenix]

ya got got

[quaint mauve]

there’s literally one last mythic guild that raids weekends and i’m waiting for them to respond

i signed up as a all spec rogue

[quaint mauve]

5 mill overall….

didn’t die a single time…

i don’t understand sub at all

it’s so confusing

[stiff vector]

sub is pretty straight forward now tbh, ofc some small things to remember and optimize(like trying to make sure your coups are proccing during ur dance, pref right after sec tec) but as long as you dont fuckup during your CDs youre already like 80% of the way there

[dawn talon]

u have to consider though

how many people are affected by this

vs the # of people who do 12s/13s with pugs in lfg

and get people their 3k mounts by inviting lower io people

that's what blizz cares about

more people engaging with the game in keys above 10

the guys who super degen to barely scrape into title range would've degenned harder if they had to without resil keys

[quaint mauve]

it just has more buttons than i like

i feel like stressed out looking at them

[swift hedge]

what about 13000 crit and 24000 vers

[frail veldt]

whats the negative affect?

[void canopy]

guys

did u watch other servers?

blizzard is ddosing class servers or what? xd

[frail veldt]

I noticed

priest disc is down

mage is fine

dk is down too

lol

the fuck

oh no now wowhead

and hunter

rogue inc?

is this the end times?

wait

[void canopy]

bye guys nice to meet u see u soon 😂

[frail veldt]

maybe whoever is ddosing

also forgot about rogue

we good

just like blizz does

[fallen mural]

Well it looks like the shaman earthshrine discord is down? Or did they shut it down for buffs haha

[civic zephyr]

at least tell me if bad or good

14 priory

all the discords wiggin out

[void canopy]

time to open Ravenholdt+

[fallen mural]

Out of all the outlaw rogues in a 14 key you would be position 7 out of 10.

10 being the best. 1 being the worst

[vivid vessel]

re guys

how is it going

I closed all the discords in protest of outlaw tuning

i toguht it would have more impact than just closing a channel

hope it will work out for us

[real crystal]

wtf is happening to discord atm

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[fallen mural]

Breaking News Zac has ddos'd the class discords untill outlaw rogue buffed.

[leaden folio]

discord is like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[fallen mural]

That gif goes perfect with the music in shindigs stream right now haha

[long barn]

Anyone know if we should be sending GS on cd or when debuff is about to expire or like is expired. Like it’s usually back up before debuff is to like 3-5 seconds

[sleek thorn]

they killed OUTLAW!!!!! server

[gaunt phoenix]

You dont think about gs duration

[hasty warren]

cd

[long barn]

It’s so expensive!

[fallen mural]

Depends if you're talking for fatebound or trickster

[long barn]

Fatebound

I’m trying to figure out what I’m doing wrong

I’m using all solos new Fatebound tech and my dps sucks now

[fallen mural]

Ahh so it has some wierd rules for fatebound. Like you don't want to use it till you have vanish available and/or supercharger i believe. I can link it one sec

[craggy barn]

other way around

[long barn]

When I try to hold for vanish my vanish count sucks and my ADR is like 95% and my BtE is like half count

[craggy barn]

u hold vanish for gs

[fallen mural]

ya sorry other way around haha

You will instead try to hold :vanish: Vanish for :gs: Ghostly Strike every time, and then send Vanish into GS so you break stealth with GS.
This is because sending GS from stealth gives you 3 of each coin (not a bug).
You still Vanish normally to preserve AR if needed.

[sullen wyvern]

man I opened RH and saw no channels

and wondered if we closed our channel to get a buff

but it was just an outage

[fallen mural]

If you click the pin at the top of the page in this channel. It will have a bunch of the info you're looking for!

[daring oxide]

guys

we still have 1hr 30mins left

[long barn]

Yea I read it. Just trying to figure out why I suck lol

[daring oxide]

for last minute tuning

just hold out

on the last glimmer and slimmer of hope

its not yet fully over

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-stonk-hold-wallace-hold-braveheart-stonks-gif-20142609

[sleek thorn]

i only see OUTLAW!!!

[sullen wyvern]

we should say we will close our channel but not really to jebait em and get a buff

[fallen mural]

breaking news Last minute tuning; "it has come to our attention that outlaw rogue has been over performing so we have decided to nerf all abilities by 3%" - blizzard

[frail veldt]

omg were back

[sleek thorn]

they gonna tune classes?

when

[fallen mural]

lol

[quaint mauve]

lowkey thought the server got taken down bc we didn’t get buffs

[fallen mural]

i don't think so haha

[sleek thorn]

gulp

Prayge

[sullen wyvern]

That's why I said

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt i timed my first 15…. and it happened on sub

[sullen wyvern]

but outlaw community is so small they probably wouldn't care

[sleek thorn]

gun go brr

[quaint mauve]

i did 5 mill overall bc the leader didn’t do a timer so i couldn’t swap to ol

[sullen wyvern]

they'd be probably be relieved and say 'we can go back to combat rogue now'

[fallen mural]

How do i get the KiR/supercharger emoji by my name :*(

[sleek thorn]

you give us your credit card and social security number!

dont forget the 3 numbers behind the card

[fallen mural]

np i got you boo 😛

[quaint mauve]

why don’t we use echoing

seems cool

[sleek thorn]

too much echo

cant hear liquid

heh.. get it..

[fallen mural]

They reprimended it

[sleek thorn]

the Method..

i should kill myself

[frail veldt]

your adr uptime is like 12% lower than it should be so I think you might be making a few rotational mistakes

[sleek thorn]

using dark rune at 1 hp guys its gg

[frail veldt]

lolol the dark side

[long barn]

@solo will you do log review for me

[civic zephyr]

i see that i just cant figure it out - so say blade flurry is already active, do i press it still regardless just to build combo points? or is that lower prio than pressing like a sinister strike

[stiff vector]

ngl im prob gonna get some reps in some keys on sub too, think im gonna have to play it for certain keys on 16/17 when i que into a pug with like just shaman buff or something

my sub prob hella rusty in keys

[frail veldt]

it depends on whether you have an unseen blade charge or not

[civic zephyr]

i cant grasp my head around coup de grace and everlasting blades or w.e its calllllled

[frail veldt]

if you have a charge of UB then you want to prioritize SS over all other forms of cp gen

[fallen mural]

Like after killing spree, you would sinister strike prior x 2 since you have 2 unseen blade procs

prio*** not prior***

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix you cooked having 25% haste on Killing Spree while its channeling, only just Killing Spree? and why 25% haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

to make ks faster

[daring oxide]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

But only for trickster

[daring oxide]

but were there any other intentions

like speeding up the Unseen procs etc

from Autos

and intention to not cancel KS

[fallen mural]

Easy rule of thumb is killing spree gives you two procs of unseen blades, which means you will be using 2 sinister strikes to build points after KS.

[gaunt phoenix]

nah you dont auto during ks

[daring oxide]

if its faster?

lol

i never actually knew that lol

[frail veldt]

trickster stuff is confusing at first but you can think of it like this:

1. If you have any charges of Unseen Blade and you dont have Coup yet, then SS is your highest priority builder
2. If you have Coup ready then you should not press SS at all even if that means sending Coup at low cps(ignore this if youre in subterfuge)
   @civic zephyr

[quaint mauve]

no bro i griefed all key

[daring oxide]

god im such a flithy casual

[civic zephyr]

so its killing spree > bte > sinister, sinister, coup de grace, pistol shot, coup de grace?

[frail veldt]

its not that formulaic

[civic zephyr]

like an example

[silver venture]

what is bte

[gaunt phoenix]

[frail veldt]

between the eyes

[sleek thorn]

[quaint mauve]

idk like sure there can be a moment where you do this

[sleek thorn]

between the pingas

[quaint mauve]

but like

[sleek thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pingas-robotnik-sonic-the-hedgehog-matpat-freaky-gif-10901212832640599262

[quaint mauve]

our rotation based on like yk

other things

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/bte-build-the-earth-north-carolina-south-carolina-bte-carolinas-gif-4594807827413211739

[fallen mural]

So potentially you could KS BTE, vanish SS BTE , SS BTE, BTE BTE BTE BTE BTE. If you're zak

[worldly shale]

more like

ks bte, vanish ss bte, ss ss ss ss ss ss bte

[sleek thorn]

ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[fallen mural]

^that's most realistic

[worldly shale]

actually the first bte

wouldnt refund

so

its not even ks bte

XD

[frail veldt]

ks gives cps

[worldly shale]

i wouldnt go empty into vanish

[quaint mauve]

is it a loss to press one more ss if you’re at 7 cp bc yk you’re going to proc coup

[frail veldt]

ig

[worldly shale]

ks into bte

he said

[frail veldt]

oh

dont you always ks -> finisher

[quaint mauve]

bc i do that after ks sometimes

[worldly shale]

id much rather

ks vanish bte

idk

[quaint mauve]

usually i get coups right after every KS tho

or like

[frail veldt]

^

[quaint mauve]

every other

[worldly shale]

i mean

yes

but in the context the other person said

i never ks into vanish XD

[frail veldt]

yeah I usually find myself KS->check UB + EB->build to coup->vanish

[worldly shale]

i always wait for coup procs

[quaint mauve]

i never spend a vanish after KS unless i need to

[frail veldt]

half the time I just assume ill get a proc or have a hidden UB stack haha

[quaint mauve]

but is it a loss to press ss for only the coup proc

even if you’re at 7 cp

[worldly shale]

bro this tierset

made us

[quaint mauve]

where’s tobfon

[worldly shale]

even more rng

I HOPE

[frail veldt]

I wonder if you could simplify some rules and just always play to spend all of your UB stacks after KS before vanishing

[quaint mauve]

when i need him

[worldly shale]

for random double ubs

bro

that shit

[sleek thorn]

she bte on my subterfuge until i kir

[worldly shale]

when u get 2 double ubs

OOOOWEEEE

[quaint mauve]

@cinder haven

he will probably know

[frail veldt]

well yeah

you would finisher

then ss

then coup at low cps

[quaint mauve]

sigh

that feels so bad

idk why

[frail veldt]

its probably neutral tbh

to do it either way

depends on if you have broadside or not

cuz theres a decent chance that one SS could give you like 4 cps haha

[quaint mauve]

hmmm yeah

maybe actually

[frail veldt]

only time I will SS past 7cp is when I already have 2 stacks of vanish

like in my openers

so I can just get the coup asap

and go into 2 vanishes with big FF stacks

[worldly shale]

i stopped doing bf/ps between coups

[frail veldt]

like if you have 2 vanish charges, 3 stacks EB, and >1 stack UB, Im def getting the coup off before going into vanish

[worldly shale]

i just send second

at 2cps

is that bad

[frail veldt]

yes

[worldly shale]

ok

[frail veldt]

theres no reason to do that lol

[worldly shale]

idk i just cba

i do 2 coups

[frail veldt]

maybe if youre adr is running out in like 1 second

[worldly shale]

into vanish

[frail veldt]

and you need to get both coups done

to vanish

but delaying your vanish for 1 gcd to get a full cp Coup is totally worth

coup hits hard

ESPECIALLY the second one

[worldly shale]

oh rly

XD

im trolling

[frail veldt]

yeah remember it hits 3 times

3 or 4

but it does more damage than bte

though technically bte is still higher value per cp than coup

[worldly shale]

if u ace

XD

[stiff vector]

big CDR value from 2 7cp coups tho if you can get 7cp coups back to back

[worldly shale]

[frank finch]

😫

[frail veldt]

yeah thats included in the value in this case

I think thats why apl showed small increases to use SC for a vanish window instead of for the coups before the vanish

since SC value for potential ace procs iwthin a vanish window outweigh cps for coup and extra cdr on the rtb

[crude flower]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[civic zephyr]

sorry late reply, but if you killing spree, then ss x2 to get coup de grace proc, would you dispatch? instead of doing a crackshot window?

[crude flower]

I don’t think bliz remembers outlaw

[stiff vector]

dispatch is coup when its procd

but ideally yes you would want to coup x2 then enter vanish window

[civic zephyr]

and coup de grace has more prio then crackshot window

[worldly shale]

ks, ss,ss, coup,bf/opportunity),coup, ss vanish bte

i mean that ss before vanish

could be

bf again or opportunity

[frail veldt]

coup is higher prio than vanish

always

[worldly shale]

i just dont like going into crackshot

without cps

[civic zephyr]

ahh ok ok ty, i think my biggest issue was pressing blade flurry on CD for combo points. literally off the GCD

[frail veldt]

but if youre already in subterfuge and you get coup you dont press it while in subt

[manic light]

is this real?

[frail veldt]

this isnt entirely wrong

its only wrong when you have UB stacks

well and it would be wrong in ST ofc

[civic zephyr]

yeah only in aoe, idk in that log i posted, i have more casts of blade flurry and a lot less pistol shot and sinister strike casts

[frail veldt]

yeah that could contribute but again youre like 12% adr uptime below what you should be so theres likely other stuff as well

trickster has a lot of little rules to optimize around not wasting UB stacks

and they add up

[stiff vector]

your main goal as trickster is to cycle thru coups as much as possible, which is why you technically shouldnt be constantly using BF to gen CPs in aoe at every chance you get

[frail veldt]

so I would guess thats probably the biggest culprit here

[civic zephyr]

ok thank youuuu

[daring oxide]

just 1 hour to go

and then we know for sure

we are doomed

hope is all lost

https://tenor.com/view/cherub-biblically-accurate-angel-biblically-accurate-angels-biblically-accurate-angels-animation-gif-25767809

why is it when i type angel in gifs

i get this giga cursed stuff

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-eye-patch-gif-3139231117372817383

[frail veldt]

thats what angels look like

biblically accurate

[craggy quiver]

Where you getting all these ai shit

[stiff vector]

o rly? Were you alive when the bible was written to confirm?

[fallen mural]

Also it depends if you have broadside you would SS , spend , then SS, and Coup De grazi pregooooo

[lime lake]

can confirm

i am the bibbles

[daring oxide]

its not even AI actually

[craggy quiver]

[worldly shale]

whats ai

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-boyle-299-birch-drive-rostock-racing-deer-club-oddkast-chocolate-gif-7604806897369123722

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-cat-potato-cat-kitsuunna-ai-gif-4553165476068567422

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-dog-suit-swag-swaws-gif-10136801060173225238

[fallen mural]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-gun-dwarf-gif-27010638

[worldly shale]

outlaw ranged spec when

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-gun-kermit-gun-gif-16355306064126846866

[daring oxide]

midnight alpha

[craggy quiver]

Vai you need to go to blizzard HQ with a buff outlaw sign

[eager rose]

real?

[worldly shale]

im not answering questions

i plead the fifth

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[fierce mulch]

happened to me a few times this weekend when I was trying to run priory 13

[worldly shale]

"a few times"

[mighty pivot]

discord is back to being functional just in time for outlaw patch notes

[fierce mulch]

only 3 times lol, lucky me

[inland acorn]

yeah about that...

[civic zephyr]

@frail veldt a few questions if you dont mind me asking, if i get coup de grace in a crackshot window, do i ignore it? as i need to ss to build combo points to keep bte spamming? also single target, if i have coup de grace, and 2 combo points w/ NO opportunity, do i spend first coup de grace on 2 points and the next coup de grace on 2 points?

[inland acorn]

you ignore coup in crack window

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix this you?

[inland acorn]

and if you can't build cps without pressing SS, then just send low cp ones

[civic zephyr]

ok sick

TY

[mighty pivot]

it's the second edit that will come just in time

[frail veldt]

yep correct

oh wait you were answer him lol

[inland acorn]

it's ok, i forgive you

[frail veldt]

your icons are both black and white my brain got mixed up

[brisk lotus]

dude outlaw guide videos sucks so much ass wtf is this

[frail veldt]

what guide videos lol

[inland acorn]

we have guide videos ?

[brisk lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qC-5FW7vR8

[inland acorn]

thats

3 months old

[brisk lotus]

this guy is making a guide while he runs on a 3

[frail veldt]

three whole months

[inland acorn]

it's basically

previous tier

with different set

[brisk lotus]

STILL HES RUNNING A +3

then i go like yeah imma watch dalaran

hes a pretty good rogue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfxtmYQF4&t=678s

[frail veldt]

I would just read the faq

[inland acorn]

[brisk lotus]

then he is running the fking ambush build

[frail veldt]

oh no

[brisk lotus]

like fking kill me

man

[inland acorn]

have you thought about

this amazing resource

#outlaw-faq

[brisk lotus]

see i do think its really good but i wanted to see someones rotation with keep it rolling

[inland acorn]

Ain't nobody relevant doing outlaw video guides, because there's only like 100 die hards playing this spec

You can watch zac

[brisk lotus]

yeah like the top outlaw do so much more damag than i do and i wanted to see what was i missing

[inland acorn]

He has GCD history turned on somewhere

[random stirrup]

you want to watch outlaw to learn you watch zac

[brisk lotus]

ts

[frail veldt]

can watch streams

but the problem is

outlaws rotation is very dynamic so its not like you can really see someones rotation

[brisk lotus]

his name is zac_____________________?

with a bunch of ___

[frail veldt]

yeah

[inland acorn]

You need to understand the spec to execute rotation

You can't just copy someone

[frail veldt]

you pretty much cant reverse engineer the rotation by watching someone play yeah

[bright crane]

To see the spec is to opens your minds eye

https://tenor.com/view/5d-ascension-third-eye-awakening-gif-17507857

[brisk lotus]

houly

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[brisk lotus]

i am getting better and better

[stoic heart]

@keen belfry BUFF outlaw

[brisk lotus]

just yknow wanted some research

ill check zac tho

ty

[inland acorn]

i think you meant nerf

We're still doing too much ST damage

[worldly shale]

10 minutes?

and we know?

right?

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295424971480502384/1392355853717213205/8436b9592c871b4661f07c50c03b83443190eb6a36a7e4fb239741e81440dc3d_1.mp4?ex=68c05030&is=68befeb0&hm=c7d214d7662985289df1f075ef6f15c7af5ddfae065bdcb39538fe55b991de33&

[inland acorn]

I like checking fractilus 95th

See bottom 5 being
outlaw, sub, spriest, frost mage, bm

[vapid sundial]

Im telling u guys

[inland acorn]

And see only bm getting buffs

[vapid sundial]

zac needs to stop playing

so they will buff outlaw

[inland acorn]

I mean if we keep going like this

Soon I think zac will be the only one playing

[vapid sundial]

Literally some dude said

'rank 1 rogue is outlaw, they dont need a buff'

XD

[brisk lotus]

i mean im watching his raid vod and he went sub

so something is wrong

lol

[frail veldt]

I mean if you 99 parse as outlaw you will beat an 80 parsing ele by like 1% so thats cool

[inland acorn]

Outlaw is pretty much never 1st choice for raid

[random stirrup]

well you aren't going to find anyone playing last 2 as outlaw

you can watch key videos

[inland acorn]

Sub is also very good this tier for prog (tho it's starting to fall off already)

[daring oxide]

Nah, I don't want to give them any grief, they've probably already stressed out beyond belief with the new expansion development work, and trying to bugfix an Amazon-grade rainforest of bugs

[cinder relic]

Sub is probably straight up the best DPS in the game on the last 2

While Outlaw is the straight up worst

[daring oxide]

ya

[frail veldt]

so good that they ran multipel of them in rwf

[cinder relic]

Playing it on last 2 is just griefing hard

[frail veldt]

oh wait

[daring oxide]

sub is just nuts

[cinder relic]

There is 0 benefit to playing Outlaw

[frail veldt]

that was ele

[cinder relic]

Outlaw has had tiers where its worse, but has reasons to play on specific bosses

[daring oxide]

even I've ditched outlaw for Sub on last two

[inland acorn]

I think King salad is not like mega bad

[cinder relic]

Last 2 are so good for sub, and so shit for outlaw its pointless

[inland acorn]

But it's defo not good

especially with sub as option

Dimmy as outlaw tho

Might as well alt tab

You aint doing shit

[buoyant cosmos]

huge mass damage

[vapid sundial]

Huge ass dmg

is what i call @late swallow

thick af

[cinder relic]

Yeah i mean its just like, not great on nexus king but again, sub is literally thanos on last 2

Just put the sub rogue in the bag

[frail veldt]

what do you do in wow as a raid main once you clear mythic? do you just sell carries or log out til next season?

[inland acorn]

Reclear, sell carries

Reduce raid days

[vapid sundial]

he sells

[cinder relic]

reclear for gear, sell carries, get everybody in the guild mounts, less days

yep

[vapid sundial]

his guild sells a FUCK ton

from what i know

[cinder relic]

yessir

[vapid sundial]

from waht cute told me

literally perma sales

[frail veldt]

wild

[buoyant cosmos]

raid tends to be over in 2 days once you're done done so it's just raid log and make gold

/ try to parse

[inland acorn]

Yeah, gotta get that 100 parse on outlaw

So you're below MM hunter doing 70 parse

[buoyant cosmos]

Wouldn't have it any other way

[daring oxide]

i guess were doomed for next reset

glad i got my sub rogue and bm hunter ready for some fun

[inland acorn]

next expansion*

[daring oxide]

was good knowing you outlaws, enjoy vacation

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-crying-gif-21574922

[worldly shale]

ok well

it was good knowing u guys

ill delete discord and pretend

that we shut it down

[random stirrup]

why is no one putting HO over 100%

[craggy quiver]

[random stirrup]

the real dream

150% HO

[hollow bloom]

Outlaw buffs when?

[craggy quiver]

[frank finch]

i cant handle this bait anymore

[daring oxide]

I probably could of done it much better

silly i left the dark ranger picture in 🙁

[quaint mauve]

bro just give up

we aren’t getting a buff

[frigid turret]

is anyone using this wekaura? https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

and noticed that it just semi stops working with 2 set :D

[wintry solar]

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/773751924977696768/1414768253049503825/mirror.gif

[civic zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[tulip nova]

Hi guys, im kinda new as rogue, i was looking into the FAQ if i could find, but is there any way to sim how much dps should i do in overall in a dungeon? any params for simc?

[buoyant cosmos]

I used to, but it's better to just play for yourself imo

[buoyant cosmos]

Dungeon slice works well for outlaw

Just do a quick Sim on raidbots or the simc desktop app if that's what you use

[torpid fiber]

there's no great way to sim in a way that gives you a goal number for a dungeon

[frigid turret]

i feel like getting a feel for the base rotation without having to worry about the combination of rolls and how good they are allows for way quicker improvement, and once the rotation is SEMI down you can swap off to actually get a feel for the rolls

[buoyant cosmos]

That too

[torpid fiber]

My goal is always "more than last time"

[tulip nova]

ty guys!

[buoyant cosmos]

The good / bad is just flavor iirc.

[craggy quiver]

Study the FAQ it's probably the best FAQ in all class discord

[frigid turret]

suuurrrreee as hell doesnt feel like it

[buoyant cosmos]

Outside of rolling 5 buffs

/ building up to 4/5 for a kir

[torpid fiber]

yeah we don't have any meaningful rules that care about our current specific buffs

outside of playing around bs gen

[buoyant cosmos]

They aren't all broadside / ruthless

[raw ocean]

the trick is trying to fish out a 5th buff by waiting after a natty 3-4 roll until the last sec to KIR to see if you gain another buff. makes a big difference in feel to me

[torpid fiber]

Iirc it's incorrect to wait for some stuff but not for others

[buoyant cosmos]

The spec averages itself out between crushing lows and huge b2b2b KiR highs as well

[raw ocean]

yeah, i’m not waiting for grand melee for example. my tracker has the buffs from best to worst left to right so if i notice i can greed the timing to get a missing buff in the left 3 slots on average before KIR i try that

[civic zephyr]

why do we get 2 stacks of coup de grace?

[torpid fiber]

2 piece

[buoyant cosmos]

2pc from tier

[civic zephyr]

ty! (:

[buoyant cosmos]

Has solo dropped the slight / loaded dice rules?

[craggy quiver]

They still cooking

Feels better in all content tho

Feelycraft

[buoyant cosmos]

I mean we're not doing huge fotm dam

might as well feel better to play

[craggy quiver]

It's neutral for me in st so there's that

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm a keys enjoyer

Doing heroics for trinkets n stuff but I haven't felt like FB is the worst

[craggy quiver]

I think it feels better in keys lol

Dropping vers for soh

[vapid sundial]

i wisgh

H0 gamin g

[craggy quiver]

Trickster

[buoyant cosmos]

I have like 39% vers w/ flask atm

[craggy quiver]

Same but I drop to 36 with vers to soh talent swap

[buoyant cosmos]

That's still over the DR right?

[craggy quiver]

I think 10% or whatever

But doesn't matter we still stack vers into infinity

[fathom bramble]

vers granted from the talent or other raw % sources doesn't contribute to the secondary stat rating DR

[buoyant cosmos]

Got it, thanks

[torpid fiber]

we also kinda just. Don't care about DR at the end of the day

[buoyant cosmos]

to the moon

[craggy quiver]

Vers still worth more than agi for me even in dr lol

[torpid fiber]

Ok that's kinda wild

[mighty pivot]

even crit can be higher

agi mid stat

[torpid fiber]

they should buff agi

[mighty pivot]

lots of classes have secondaries over primary which feels wrong

[torpid fiber]

Yeah that feels really wrong

[fathom bramble]

that just happens towards the end of an expac with the way secondaries and primaries scale on gear

[craggy quiver]

Do a stat weight sim for shits it's probably the same for you @torpid fiber

[fathom bramble]

though some classes got it sooner thanks to having crazy amounts of dps per % of a stat

[mighty pivot]

it was the case in s2 too

[torpid fiber]

probably yeah

[fathom bramble]

yeah it was basically impossible in season 1, possible in season 2(especially towards the end), and is now a given in season 3

[mighty pivot]

not that 1:1 value matters that much given how the items scale differently with primary and secondaries per ilvl

[fathom bramble]

yeah the value comparison between agi and secondaries almost never matters

the only thing it usually does is change your consumables

since that is basically the only place that we can choose between primary and secondary

[mighty pivot]

like you upgrade a chest piece and secondaries go up by 20 or something

[mighty pivot]

that and deciding between upgrading armour vs jewelry

[fathom bramble]

because the decreasing relative value of agi is directly proportional to the increasing amount of it on your gear I'm not sure it actually moves the needle that much as we move deeper into an expac

[craggy quiver]

I hope they get rid of the haste tax, every week depending on what I get, I have to do raid bot gymnastics

[mighty pivot]

sure for midnight they will fix that

[ocean lodge]

if they remove crackshot we riot

[torpid fiber]

It's so annoying to get a 20ilevel upgrade that's critvers and then have to check whether I need to reequip my 665 ring

[fathom bramble]

yeah...

shit like this is why they removed expertise/hit rating

[torpid fiber]

I didn't feel that bad about it in s1 but now that you get it so easily it's really annoying

[fathom bramble]

and here we are just dealing with the exact problem minus reforging

[ocean lodge]

(bring back reforging)

(It would solve so many problems)

[fathom bramble]

all items should drop with 1 Rating Socket and only 1 stat on it

[mossy shell]

reforging would be ridiculous we would have 100,000 vers

[fathom bramble]

let me pick the other stat

[ocean lodge]

I don't see the problem here

[fathom bramble]

you wouldn't gain vers at all

you shouldn't be wearing items that don't have vers on them

so you couldn't reforge into more vers on the top end of gearing

[ocean lodge]

I'm one of those people who think vers shouldn't even exist as a stat.

[torpid fiber]

Rn our gearing is like one of those puzzles where you have to fill up the shape

[ocean lodge]

It's such a stupid stat in general.

[quaint mauve]

home sweet home

[ocean lodge]

IDK why they buff bm and ret so much

[fathom bramble]

I think all 4 stats should be more like vers

[mighty pivot]

is there even any other spec with such a strict stat requirement?

[ocean lodge]

braindead specs shouldn't be top

[fathom bramble]

I don't find it fun when my stats are a puzzle to hit a cap

nor do I enjoy when my spec plays poorly without x amount of y stat

[mossy shell]

what stat do you think should replace it?

[ocean lodge]

None

[quaint mauve]

bc most players play them

[ocean lodge]

Either none or armor pen

[mossy shell]

because of popularity

[craggy quiver]

Wasn't an issue before haste tax

We just stacked crit verse

[fathom bramble]

yeah it was nice

[mossy shell]

3 stats is boring and armor pen is functionally identical to vers, it just doesn't have a defensive function. More damage without gameplay impact.

[ocean lodge]

The thing that made armor pen good probably wouldn't even exist

So I'd just remove it

[fathom bramble]

armor pen is kind of a nonsense stat

[torpid fiber]

Ok yeah I did this, vers 54.77 agi 45.37 crit 43.89

And then mastery 30.01

[ocean lodge]

crit/mast/haste, get tuned accordingly, no more bs with vers

[torpid fiber]

I like vers 😔

[wintry solar]

Start preparing for the possibility, there's no telling how far they'll go.

[fathom bramble]

I like vers more than mast/crit on 95% of classes

[ocean lodge]

I'll go nuclear lol

[mighty pivot]

armour pen existed in several forms and they were all like vers except more difficult to understand

[wintry solar]

Can't wait for Zacs reaction if it does

[ocean lodge]

the df s3 rework to outlaw is the best thing to ever happen to combat/outlaw.

[wintry solar]

Not true

[ocean lodge]

Everything about ace/crackshot is amazing.

[wintry solar]

It's how we got in this mess

[mighty pivot]

if you remove crackshot I am coming after you

[fathom bramble]

the best thing to happen to combat/outlaw was legion

[ocean lodge]

eh.

[wintry solar]

[ocean lodge]

The only thing I liked better with legion outlaw

Was greenskin + blunderbus

And I want that burst back

[civic zephyr]

ok so if anyone can help me... blue box will make sinister strike hit with unseen blade. then it goes on CD for 20 seconds and gives me an orange box, meaning 1/4 til i proc coup de grace. tier set proc'd so the next ss gave me 3/4. pressing ss again guarantees the double coup de grace... then theres killing spree, which will give me 2 unseen blade stacks... what i dont understand: If im at 3/4 coup de grace, i dont have free killing spree unseen blades, and my weakaura is counting down with no blue box meaning i cant use unseen blade, how come sometimes, after pressing ss i will still get coup de grace?

[mossy shell]

i'm still bitter they made me pirate themed 😠

[ocean lodge]

Greenskin + blunderbus was peak i miss it

[wintry solar]

Says S3 DF was the best to happen to Outlaw

all of SL Outlaw exists

How can a man be so wrong?

[mossy shell]

Your tier set proc

[mighty pivot]

thousand cuts

[ocean lodge]

problem

I would have had to play the worst expac of all time to experience that

[strong halo]

Bro hunters and mages are baits this tier

all they do is flop over

and do bad dps

[wintry solar]

WoD didn't have Outlaw

[ocean lodge]

I kick as on my mage idk

Nah, WoD is like, second worst

SL was so unfathomably bad

[fathom bramble]

WoD is definitely worse than SL

[wintry solar]

People who say that didn't play wod

[ocean lodge]

I got the receipts I don't wanna hear it

[fathom bramble]

you can't have the reciepts though

you just said you skipped SL

[ocean lodge]

for wod?

[strong halo]

SL really wasnt that bad, Nathria is my favorite raid of all time

[civic zephyr]

ooooh ok and the weakaura wouldnt reflect that? or maybe i just dont notice it

[strong halo]

and the dungeons were fun as fuck

[torpid fiber]

SL was fine if you played outlaw bc the spec design was so good

[wintry solar]

They cooked on that one for sure

[mighty pivot]

thousand cuts is invisible, you cannot know when it resets your unseen blade cd. It's just horribly designed

[ocean lodge]

I played outlaw until korthia and quit lmao.

[strong halo]

Thorghast was cancer though

[ocean lodge]

The only highlight for me was the necrolord ability

I liked that.

[strong halo]

my experience with hunters all day

LOA OF THE FLOOR

[mighty pivot]

what that name tho

[wintry solar]

If Torgast released how it did in S4 it'd have been more well received for sure

The gauntlet was so fun

[civic zephyr]

ok i think i finally understand it lol, im so slowwww appreciate it

[fathom bramble]

Torghast was fun

[strong halo]

no shot u did thorghast

[fathom bramble]

it's a shame they made it mandatory so complainers would make blizz kill it forever

[strong halo]

If was fun all of 2 weeks

[torpid fiber]

torghast with brann would have been goated imo

[strong halo]

it*

[ocean lodge]

I wish islands went somewhere more than torghast tbh

I think the initial idea at blizzcon was cool, and it was nothing like that.

[strong halo]

The time you had to spend in thorghast was cancer

and it took forever

[fathom bramble]

I played torghast on the beta for fun before the expansion even launched

[ocean lodge]

Beta torghast was fun.

I'll give you that one.

[strong halo]

ok nm my bad. I didnt know you hated life and happiness

[ocean lodge]

Though tbh I woulda got bored of that too eventually

[strong halo]

week 16 and you're on lvl 5 of thorsghast ripping your eyes out

[wintry solar]

Torgast was fun the first 2 times

And then by the 5th you're drained

[ocean lodge]

I think islands were a cooler idea conceptually.

[strong halo]

10000% and hten it was pain

[ocean lodge]

A lot you oculd do with it if you wanted.

[strong halo]

Oh i kinda loved islands from BFA

[ocean lodge]

I'd rather have islands expanded than torghast

1000%

[strong halo]

Islands > Delves > torghast

[wintry solar]

I liked warfronts as well

[ocean lodge]

eh.

[fathom bramble]

I don't like large scale group content like that

[wintry solar]

I do

[fathom bramble]

disorganized chaos with half the group not really doing anything at all

I would rather have a solo or small group experience

[ocean lodge]

my favorite part of warfronts

was making like 400k every time the war effort popped up by flipping the ah

[wintry solar]

Mine was the plate sets

Esp the heroic warfront sets

[torpid fiber]

Warfronts could have been neat but in practice they felt like worse lfr

[wintry solar]

Should've been harder tbh

Getting a group for heroic warfronts with the guild was fun

[cinder relic]

WRONG

Sl was good

[fathom bramble]

SL had some struggles getting off the ground

[wintry solar]

Guy imma keep it real with you.

[fathom bramble]

but became a very good expac

[cinder relic]

The maw? based
Covenants? Based
Korthia? Based
Castle Nathria? Based
Sanctum? Based
Sepulcur? based

[wintry solar]

Idc how bad an expansion is as long as Outlaw is fun to play

[fathom bramble]

it just took like 1.5 seasons or something

[cinder relic]

Legendaries??? based

[wintry solar]

I'll play the worst content in the game if Outlaw is fun.

[wintry solar]

So true

Loved leggos

[fathom bramble]

outlaw was so fun in torghast

[wintry solar]

Remember when we had different builds that felt like night and day differences?

[fluid iron]

[fathom bramble]

I think their biggest mistake with covenants was having soulbinds

there should never have even been the chance to pick a terrible cov skill just for some random passive bs

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-cute-cat-hugs-cat-hug-gif-16465471762657874612

[wintry solar]

I think the soul binds should've leveled up as we do

[fathom bramble]

like season 1 outlaw wanting to run our literal worst cov skill just for the soulbind it gives you

[wintry solar]

I liked Sepsis. I wish we could've made it work for outlaw

[fathom bramble]

I did take the dps hit and go kyrian

because I hated sepsis

and then tuning and such made kyrian win eventually anyway

[wintry solar]

I went from NF to Venth with a sprinkle of necro every now and then

[fathom bramble]

sepsis was a better spell in our tree with all the ambush support than it was in SL for sure

it just never really worked out

[wintry solar]

Remember uhuh being a choice node with sepsis lol

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk what they expected with that one