outlaw

[royal ermine]

lfg decline counter, addon not wa

[elder phoenix]

Lol i never have done that

Im too broke

I have i think 50k gold rn

[knotty needle]

how do you only have 50k gold

[willow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/pokimane-broke-boy-gif-1631750273434798155

[elder phoenix]

I just log in to do my daily x8 10+ for vault and log off

[willow portal]

so you are getting instant invites to 10s with 710 gear and 3k score?

[elder phoenix]

lol ironically

im 710 ilvl yes

but 2.6k io all i do is 10s unless they give better gear when youd o higher theres no point

But yes.

I just queue as assassination

then change to outlaw

[willow portal]

my man you got some weird takes

[elder phoenix]

LOL

literally instant invites

i did my x8 for vault this tuesday

[willow portal]

bro i am pretty sure that other players isnt complaining about invites to +10s

[elder phoenix]

sounds like a you issue

[willow portal]

[elder phoenix]

ngl this week i was tempted to queue for a 12

cuz the affix takes you out of stealth

But i cba no real point doing above 10s unless you're autistic or something

[keen belfry]

Are 10s still easy to pug

[elder phoenix]

yeah

pretty easy

[keen belfry]

After turbo boost 12s are much better than 10s

[gaunt phoenix]

what

are you typing

[elder phoenix]

especially if you're a meta class

[royal ermine]

almost any key posted above 12s na is just some combination of fdk / arcane / havoc / hunter, or whatever spec the group leader is + fdk / arcane lol

[keen belfry]

He’s been kinda cooked lately

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-send-in-diddy-mods-ltg-low-tier-god-meme-gif-228742818489670441

[royal ermine]

pugging is literal hell because I stopped for a few days at the end of the first week

its like 30+ apps per 1 invite at 15s for me

[keen belfry]

My mage is starting 16s and I bet 16s are crazy now

[late swallow]

the pirate's curse (real)

[jolly geyser]

im washed and I do 10s fine,think I did 5 m+ in a row with a random pug. Guess we all had a few

[late swallow]

so many rogues calling themselves washed

[keen belfry]

I was doing sub keys last night guys

[late swallow]

glad to hear people have such good hygiene

[late swallow]

how does it feel?

[jolly geyser]

I didnt shower yday so def not washed

[keen belfry]

I enjoy the nuke I drop at times

I don’t like pugging as sub tho

But I think I need forge

[jolly geyser]

sub players are submissive

[keen belfry]

Prism isn’t enough I need forge too

[royal ermine]

I still don't have daggers to even play the other two , I'm sure my suffering probably wouldn't be as bad if I wasn't playing shitlaw

[keen belfry]

I just crafted a dagger 2nd craft

[royal ermine]

somehow every single normal / heroic kill loom dropped daggers and then it just said nah actually nvm on mythic so far

[keen belfry]

I don’t use it when I’m in law spec oh well

[late swallow]

when is legion remix coming out again?

[jolly geyser]

oct or some shit

[late swallow]

bro I'm trynna remix with the goonsquad!!!

[royal ermine]

I'll probably spark dagger next if this stupid ass moth doesn't drop them

used mine on sword / ring / gloves so far

I really don't want to play remix but the transmog set + recolors is kinda insane

the one with the super long cape

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/goon-squad-forever-lowtiergod-gif-2751141700300984799

[whole shoal]

[keen belfry]

5 target pull btw

5

[jolly geyser]

5

[covert kestrel]

5

[cobalt sail]

5

[willow portal]

why forge and not prism

[keen belfry]

both

[willow portal]

nah thats cursed

double onuse

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4303267

[keen belfry]

imagine 40k agi on first pull of any dungeon

then 18 stack prism on 2nd cds

[late swallow]

the humble 33 mill 5 target burst

[willow portal]

i dont really get how people are playing lily + prism on sub

[late swallow]

because they don't have forge yet?

[keen belfry]

should i try lily and prism

[jolly geyser]

I rather get chemo again than use 2 on use

[keen belfry]

do you just play lil every other cd set?

lily

[willow portal]

no but like, lily is 1:30 and prism is usualyl macroed to blades, which is 1:30

so how are they using those then

[royal ermine]

I mean outlaw has already been double on use for what the past 6 tiers now lol

[agile orchid]

I have prism bound to another key

[willow portal]

when do you use it then

[late swallow]

not sure about the order, but you just hold the 2nd trink for the next 90 sec window

[agile orchid]

before shadowblades

[late swallow]

i'm guessing you lily first to let prism stack

[willow portal]

you mean that next window when lily is ready again

[jolly geyser]

use the 2 trink with dreadblades

[late swallow]

oh yeah i'm dumb I see what you mean

[willow portal]

feels wasted idk

[late swallow]

yeah actually idk that's a good question

[willow portal]

the sorrry what blades?

[agile orchid]

you just treat lily like forge

it is what it is

[pliant wave]

The New Dev version of ElvUI has freed me from the endless swamp of frame drops.

[willow portal]

cringe is what it is

[agile orchid]

why is it cringe

I don't get it

[willow portal]

can you not sandbag instead so my parses look better?

[willow portal]

because you are wasting the cd of the trinket then

i get forge and prism since they are offsync but lily and prism idk

[agile orchid]

yeah you treat it as a forge

[late swallow]

wow insane

beat zac by like 600k

[willow portal]

and waste 50% of the uses

[late swallow]

i mean, that's the best way to get value out of trinkets on sub

literally all your damage is in those windows

so you're amping nothing between sets

[vivid vessel]

im not sure this works no

i made it load everywehre

and i have a dk rn

[agile orchid]

sometimes at the end of a fight you can just send lily with a normal dance window

[vivid vessel]

doing the glacial advance thing in front of me

and i see it all

[royal ermine]

Tried the dev build and itmade zero difference for me

[proven ocean]

solo discovering moot is being moot

master of questionable takes

💀

[jolly geyser]

next expansion zeross will be a tank

[proven ocean]

nah

always rogue

i do tank from time to time tho

[willow portal]

why is outlaw cooked

and wtf is soul hunters mythic

[jolly geyser]

a boss

[rapid ore]

3 boss*

[worldly sinew]

A boss that uses your FPS as a mechanic.

[jolly geyser]

böss

[random geyser]

oh thats wierd playing HO in key with solo's weakaura and out of 39 LD rolls 0 5 rolls

can LD just not hit a 5 buff?

[compact narwhal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[compact narwhal]

what wa u referring to?

[worldly sinew]

This one

[random geyser]

https://wago.io/I9nB9GUcJ

[jolly geyser]

tc wa

[compact narwhal]

also whats the weapong swap tech for crudel or whatever its called?

[random geyser]

doesnt that completely devalue Loaded Dice if it isn't hitting 5 rolls?

[stuck sparrow]

new elv update?

[jolly geyser]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[random geyser]

@gaunt phoenix is LD not hitting 5 buffs atm?

[vivid vessel]

2%

[willow portal]

i am on like 60fps on souldhunters

[vivid vessel]

If you have sleigjt as well it's 10%

Or 9

Uh

[random geyser]

have u tested?

[vivid vessel]

I think it's 7 + 2

I don't remember

Tested what

[vivid vessel]

No 5 roll in 39 rolls isn't that extraordinary

Unlucky

[random geyser]

might be unlucky but something seems off

[cinder haven]

8 in 60 is lucky though

[random geyser]

yeah that's with sleight so maybe a weird luck, is messing with my head lol

[cinder haven]

Should be 7% on average I think

[willow portal]

oh boi

soul huntesr isnt fun

[stiff glade]

Way too small sample size to tell if things are working or not

[random geyser]

no i was just surpriesed to not see any 5 rolls on LD

[cinder haven]

Yes we need thousands of samples

[random geyser]

yeah statistics and such 😛

just figured i would ask cause i was surprised to see none

[stiff glade]

Sometimes you get 5 roll into a new 5 roll. Sometimes you don't get one for a long time. Just how it is with RNG and low chance probabilities

[frail veldt]

LD def can 5 roll lol

I've gotten plenty of 5 rolls with LD buff up

[cinder haven]

Chance to hit 93% 39 times in a row

[desert tendon]

your hands are blessed tho, a press of your holy finger is different from others

[cinder haven]

Is about 6%

[random geyser]

alright

[frail veldt]

The gooners are awake

Lol

[compact narwhal]

so crudel all trash, swap for bosses?

[jolly geyser]

si

but I cba, got 2 mythic weaps

[compact narwhal]

same i have 2 crafted but idk ill try it see how it goes

[royal ermine]

waited 40m to get into a group and the tank jumps off the very first web bridge killing themselves in arakara

[willow portal]

go next

:)

[tender breach]

hmm I saw a new pinned message and the newest is a removal from party ... I dont get it

[willow portal]

ff20

[jolly geyser]

OUTLAW!!!

[royal ermine]

I'm trying there's like 1 key that get posted every minute

[jolly geyser]

just do weeklies and wait for midnight

and do higher keys on better classes or spec

[elder phoenix]

thats what ive been doing lol tbh

that or wait for the patch where they give you those catch up things to buy trinkets/weapons etc

[willow portal]

and what are you going to do in midnight then

do weeklies and wait for last titan?

[elder phoenix]

try out the wow housing if its like Garrison 2.0 Or what

Then depends

[gaunt phoenix]

get fucked !

need to roll harder

[elder phoenix]

roll harder

[random geyser]

@gaunt phoenix but my wrist hurts

[willow portal]

play sub then

got nice breaks in between

[mighty pivot]

new e-peen measure just dropped

[daring oxide]

what WA is this?

[gaunt phoenix]

let's be sfw

[daring oxide]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[willow portal]

sorry, wont happen again

[gaunt phoenix]

#outlaw message

[willow portal]

i am doing such shit damage on soul hunters

:(

[frail veldt]

oh maybe sleight causes weirdness

try just running LD no sleight

oh or is the suspicion that specifically LD + SoH is the issue

[royal ermine]

yall actually roll 5 buffs thats crazy

[frail veldt]

hell yeah

on the first pull of every dungeon

[willow portal]

only on pulls that get wiped instantly

[frail veldt]

gotta pre seed your rtb num gen properly

ofc

[stiff glade]

Always. On the roll in dornogal before porting to a dungeon

[random geyser]

@frail veldt SoH seems to not be getting tracked or simmed right and buffs are carrying over for unknown reasons so they are just trying to get a fat sample size to tell us how blizzard fucked it again

[frail veldt]

I see

I havent been running SoH

but I have been noticing buffs not getting rolled off a lot

with just LD

its weird

like I'll have 2 red buffs and roll with LD and ill end up with 3

[random geyser]

ehh just remove kir and make buffs just refresh way easier lol

[mighty pivot]

buffs staying when they shouldn't isn't being tracked by the WA, but confirming that SoH works as expected with LD (or even without) still has some value

[frail veldt]

KiR is fine its the container logic after the KiR thats the issue

[random geyser]

and they havent been able to fix it so what next 😛

[frail veldt]

KiR should just be redesigned such that if you press rtb while you have 4+ buffs, instead of rolling off the buffs it extends them

[frail veldt]

wdym

they havent tried

they havent touched container logic ever afaik

[random geyser]

cause they won't or can't is what the question is then

[willow portal]

should i try soul hunters as outlaw or as sub?

[random geyser]

sub so they stop checking overall parses for outlaw

[willow portal]

sub sounds kinda chill there

i wish outlaw was less rng, grappling hook is such a nice move cd

[compact narwhal]

what do we get tues? another cata charge right?

[mighty pivot]

yes

[willow portal]

and a diasspointment in vault

:)

[compact narwhal]

^

[willow portal]

i got a socket from second vault

big

[stiff vector]

thank god I have hero chest/legs with avoidance I been wanting to cata

surely this week I finally get a big vault to go with the big outlaw buffs tuesday

[willow portal]

yeye

can you link me those big buffs again pls

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[stiff vector]

I SAID SHIRLEY

[willow portal]

guys i am sorry but sub feels better with the low rng

[undone notch]

I just play Outlaw cause I think its fun

Staying up to date w subclass rankings just drives me insane after a while

[mighty pivot]

sub is not a low rng spec, it's just less than outlaw

[frail veldt]

rotationally its low

sub doesnt really have like procs or anything that propel or starve the spec

also in terms of damage variance sub is pretty middle of the pack

[mighty pivot]

I am talking about its stddev

[frail veldt]

me too

it is not very high stdev

[stiff vector]

subs variance is diff than outlaws variance, and outlaw has a lot more layers of variance inducing effects

[harsh forge]

outlaw rng is like an onion

it has layers

[random stirrup]

its barely below outlaw

wdym

[frail veldt]

its barely more than assa rofl

[frail veldt]

ooo I was looking for htis

[stiff vector]

real prob with outlaws variance right now is moreso that there really is no "high roll", theres just low roll(aka feels both completely awful to play, and leads to terrible dmg outside of your control) and decent roll where you do half decent damage. In the past there was at least high roll potential where you could pop off with good rng and it was noticeable when outlaw had a good pull or boss

[random stirrup]

assa sims a lot higher and is playing the coin flip tree fwiw

[frail veldt]

I guess I dont consider mage or balance to be high dps rng either

[random stirrup]

its variance is decently high

obviously with tier fatebound isnt that bad

but turbo proccing tails is still a thing

[frail veldt]

I would love if they would break that chart up into upper stdev and lower stdev

cuz stdev of spec dps isnt very symmetric lately

[frail veldt]

yeah this is the big thing to me

that makes outlaws rng suck

[stiff vector]

tbh most specs dont really have that much variance outside of a proc or two and just normal crit variance or like if "x" thing(trinket, belt proc etc.) is proc'd during their CDs, or specifically during lust+cds+potion

[elder phoenix]

whats the sleight of hand loaded dice build?

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk why they are printing slot machine specs like old FDK, MM

[frail veldt]

I think people like it

[gaunt phoenix]

seems unprecedented

[frail veldt]

I mean highrolling is fun when you cant lowroll that bad

[stiff vector]

didnt they reduce frosts variance with this rework tho?

[frail veldt]

yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah old

[stiff vector]

I also thought they were going to reduce MMs variance with the rework, or at least I Swore they said they were going to do that

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix my usual luck, playing LD + SOH

[stiff vector]

but they seemingly made MMs variance even higher lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Skill issued with rolls

[daring oxide]

wtf

[stiff vector]

but at least its the good kind of variance where they have giga high roll potential, and their avg roll is still pretty good

[gaunt phoenix]

I'm at 5/7% so far

[daring oxide]

wow

[shy sandal]

where the 5th sept buff?

[daring oxide]

fixed

[shy sandal]

surely we get it right?

[mighty pivot]

he didn't say 5 september of which year tbh

[stiff vector]

should be sept 9th

wake up to a nice juicy vault and nice juicy 10% aura buff

[shy sandal]

mm yea if thats true

[mighty pivot]

and then way up again from that dream

[gaunt phoenix]

It's looking like sleight is not magically bugged

[mighty pivot]

what a disappointment

[gaunt phoenix]

[cinder relic]

Cuz highrolling is fun

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[daring oxide]

what if its bugged because it doesn't proc 5 natty?!

just kidding ofc

my usual low rolls

[frail veldt]

well other people have seen it proc 5 natty

non LD

[daring oxide]

well of course i know that

im just sharing my foreverlowroll

i need a skengaRoll

[frail veldt]

yeah 5.36% on only LD means like 3% overall

[daring oxide]

@vernal fjord bless me

[frail veldt]

brutal

3/95 rolls

[tender wedge]

Is that a WA tracking that

[latent oak]

na he does it manually in between pulls

[sacred rune]

rly nice last pin in the channel

[dense bolt]

[dusty blaze]

Anyone got a link to the wa that alerts u to when a mob is sending a cast at u?

[indigo token]

yknow what we need to do

make a weak aura that plasters this image on screen when an outlaw joins the party

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[grave carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[clear zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fickle relic]

after playing with new outlaw killing spree in pvp, they should definetly make it absorb at least 1 stun when you use it

[worldly shale]

think that is the least of outlaw worries

[fathom bramble]

bring back the talent that gave AR when you stunned someone tbh

[fickle relic]

I came back a few days ago since first season. Did something happen?

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/혼파망-피자-당황-community-chaos-gif-16635574

[willow portal]

or just "OUTLAW ALERT OUTLAW ALERT"

[fickle relic]

There's no way it's worse than last season

[fickle relic]

i guess there's yes way

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[frail veldt]

It's way worse

[fickle relic]

just was about to say we should pin it

and it's there already

cinema

[frail veldt]

Outlaw is dead in pvp since restless blades is nerfed by 25%

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/4lf3zDn.jpeg

[frail veldt]

And bte is nerfed by 200%

[elder phoenix]

what does this mean

[frail veldt]

Means you're lucky AF lol

20% jeeeez

[junior coral]

Historically, since there was balance tuning this week we prob won’t see any thing come Tuesday right? At min it would be 2 resets from now?

[frail veldt]

Go buy a lotto ticket

[somber saddle]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[frail veldt]

Depends on how optimistic you are. You could say that us not being buffed means blizzard likes us at our current level

Could also say that blizz might have forgotten

[junior coral]

Well I don’t mean just for rogue, but tuning in general. Wasn’t sure if they do it back to back weeks

[fathom bramble]

there is occasionally more buffs added on monday

if not then probably a couple resets before they look again

[ember goblet]

!log

[strong halo]

whats good AR uptime in keys again? 90%?

[agile orchid]

I wouldn't hold my breath

[fathom bramble]

yeah...

the amount of buffing it would need for me to play it on dim is insane anyway

already over for me

[vivid vessel]

20% aura

[manic light]

is there a way to see what I am doing wrong if I have 50-60% AR uptime?

[cinder haven]

finally got it!

[gaunt phoenix]

[strong halo]

Whats a good % to target?

[cinder haven]

90% is pretty good

95% then you are vibing

[worldly shale]

HOLY

ZAC KILLING DIM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/3CsoYIe.jpeg

[worldly shale]

ok

tune out

[elder phoenix]

upto 3rd boss

of

Flood

10+

abandoned though cuz healer kept dying

[stiff glade]

Hot

[cinder haven]

now I sleep

[hasty warren]

I HATE FB

PLS BUFF TRICKSET ST

[quaint mauve]

95% +

[quaint mauve]

i love fb 🤤

[fickle relic]

hey guys, when is the 2nd tier set gonna be implemented?

[hasty warren]

what second tier set ?

[fickle relic]

the one with free 2nd coup de grace on 4 pieces?

i've seen it somewhere

[hasty warren]

it's trikster one

[fickle relic]

how do i keep using the old one?

[quiet root]

well that's last season's tier, you should probably replace it with gear from season 3

[fickle relic]

so the old tier set just works?

[quiet root]

yeah

[rapid wave]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lz6j18k4GhfCYR3T?fight=last&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lz6j18k4GhfCYR3T?fight=37&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lz6j18k4GhfCYR3T?fight=17&type=damage-done

Can someone tell me why my ilvl parse is so low ? i cant figure it out, is it because im missing a trinket and boots ? or im doing something wrong ? - I personally follow the general rule of thumb in rotation and cant see what im doing wrong.

[timid portal]

@gaunt phoenix

[inland acorn]

Dungeon parses are kinda meaningless

[stiff vector]

still havent been invited to a single 16

[daring oxide]

my latest fractilius kill buffs:

!

:0

amazing

happy

[dense bolt]

No !

Cheater !

[daring oxide]

BURIED TREASURE
IS INCREDIBLE THANK YOU SO MUCH

whenever i press RTB with LD

im guaranteed to get Buried Treasure

[stiff vector]

you ever just press RTB and get GM+BT 3x in a row and then the next 2 also grand melee+dogshit buff(ofc theres about 45 SS' in between these rolls) and then consider deleting your rogue?

[daring oxide]

ya

and starved for energy the whole time

in M+

im swimming in 5 natties

in raid my luck reservoirs run dry 🙁

[spare dome]

im so bad at sub but i get invited to groups

what do

where are the invite the player not the spec mfs???

[midnight granite]

sub is easy

just sectech

gg

[spare dome]

my dagger is 710 and I dont have any sub trinkets tho

[stiff vector]

get invited to 1st key today after 1.5 hrs and key bricks on 1st pull

[copper radish]

BM is absolutely insane in keys right now and u telling me they got buffs..... lmao

[stiff vector]

gonna be a long ass season if they refuse to give this spec massive buffs

[copper radish]

just did a 10 with a ridiculous Bm and his tier stampede did 2 billy overall dmg lol

[stiff vector]

ye BM is gonna be absolutely turbo broken tuesday

[copper radish]

15% overall from 4 set is so ridiculous lol

[stiff vector]

prob why my first alt im gearing is my hunter now, have only played my rogue so far

[copper radish]

brb making BM and splitting season between that and DH

time to gear a third char after the outlaw and DH lol

[stiff vector]

I figured the spec would have gotten significant buffs by now after knowing exactly how shit the tuning was on PTR, and how things have basically only gotten worse(comparatively to other specs, and will only get even worse as tuesdays buffs go live, and ppl get full geared) so I was just gonna play my rogue and be patient but

the bare minimum is apparently even too much to ask of these devs at this point of the xpac, at least when it comes to rogue.

[toxic gate]

just getting back to giving outlaw some play, in keys it is pretty capped right, i don't have idol or anything yet, but like first pull of gambit can't really do big like 12-15mil there right?

[stiff vector]

it is quite literally the definition of hardcapped, no other spec in the game has 99% of its aoe dmg hardcapped

[proper veldt]

Doesn’t even feel that relevant this season tbh I can pull high numbers in pulls

Again it’s really the prio damage that’s rip

[stiff vector]

first pull of gambit isnt rly a great metric of anything though, since half the mobs in the first pull you do are shitter mobs that just die in 5-10 seconds

[proper veldt]

Can’t chain cause important mobs don’t die fast enough

So ur slow

Mini bosses don’t die

Bosses don’t die

It’s just slow af

[stiff vector]

like first pull of flood, Ive still ended the pull at 15-18m, which is usually fiarly close to other specs. But I mean I do think the spec should absolutely have BF buffed/revert the previous multiple BF nerfs they did on PTR that were completely unwarranted

but ye, biggest issue is just boss dmg and prio dmg, especially this season since there are many dungeons that have tons of prio mobs that have like 2-2.5x the HP as the rest of the pack, they really overdid it with the prio mobs this season tbh

[proper veldt]

Outlaw also just steals the smallies nukes them then the arcane mage etc don’t have funnel anymore

So ur even slower again

Cancel aura blade flurry angle sometimes

Imagine

How’s that gameplay

[bright crane]

Gotta keep your expectations low. That way you’re never disappointed

[toxic gate]

i just need something for raid, first 3 bosses are fine for sin more or less, but after this need something and i've tried sub i just really don't enjoy it anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

[spiral copper]

is there a list of bugs of outlaw rogues

[quaint mauve]

i thought

i got lucky

heh

heh

heh

[rapid wave]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lz6j18k4GhfCYR3T?fight=last&view=replay&position=1703477 - This is hilarious 😄

Outlaw power!

14 key, healer dead, tank and outlaw

[daring oxide]

what if PC was changed, instead of increasing blade flurry damage by 5% per missing target, it should funnel 5% of blade flurry damage to primary target 🙂 and move old PC into dancing steel (at a lower %)

[sonic nimbus]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[vivid vessel]

wtf

!

[daring oxide]

do you actually like this

[quaint mauve]

ok i got in as sin.... when do i swap into outlaw

[vivid vessel]

iu mean ..

its time outlaw get its prio damage spec reputation back

. .

this cant continue

[daring oxide]

ye

ok two things

KS only hits primary target

and

some funnel talent

blade flurry damage is redirected to main target

somehow

[junior coral]

lol was looking to see what the comp would be if outlaw had a warrior tank and came across this triple rogue key

[spiral copper]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[stiff vector]

no1 ever wants to play double rogue with me in lfg when I apply to a key that alrdy has a rogue

they dont believe in the multiple rogue comp

[manic light]

why do outlaw want so many proc damage trinks/embelishment?
and not statprocs?

[stiff vector]

because all stats suck for us besides vers

[void canopy]

vers is also shit but is the best option xd

[manic light]

so there's no other reason than stats in general are so bad that raw damage sims better?

[void canopy]

yep

[manic light]

pretty funny, I thougt it was some extra chance to do damage due to mastery or smth

[stuck sparrow]

no its just a badly designed spec

so procs numerically do more

[junior coral]

is the nightfall cudgel actually better in RL then it is in sims?

for dslice its simming to be 50k more dps. i didnt play last season so im not really sure whats going on with the wep

just every time we vanish it procs?

[edgy walrus]

yes

use it in aoe and swap weapon for boss

[junior coral]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[junior coral]

hmm i gotta get a macro for switching wep and some WA to remind me lmao

[edgy walrus]

https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

[junior coral]

also only have the 678 ilvl one but every week? is it we get a chance for the 690?

[edgy walrus]

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 X```

[junior coral]

thank youiuuu

[edgy walrus]

yes from box

[junior coral]

very good, thank you!

but your org yes, was that its actually better in practice then it says it is in dslice
?

50k overall just sounds so low lol

[edgy walrus]

yes its better

[stiff vector]

I swear they need to fucking buff the radius of BF(give acro back, OR ELSE) and/or increase the hitbox on basically every mob in every single dungeon. I swear my BF just isnt hitting all 8 of the targets we can hit at all times because every other god damn pack has huge area denial circles that periodically drop in melee so I cant just sit inside the pack

[edgy walrus]

dslice doesnt support weapon swapping so its simming with that weapon on boss

[stiff vector]

like havoc and fdk definitely do not have a problem cleaving an entire pack 90% of the time with their aoe

why does BF feels like its just range is just gimped compared to other mleees aoe

[junior coral]

wow i havent been using that wep and im working on 15 resil lmao... wonder what kinda gains ill get

so dumb we are using a S2 wep...

[junior coral]

my boy plays ret, and when i watch him im like wtf.... duded like 3 miles away still pumping into the pack and im standing on the edge of a circle watching

[daring oxide]

big day tomorrow

smiles all around

sleep well all, good night and cya tomorrow

[junior coral]

nightttt, we gonna get big bufffffs haha

[daring oxide]

beautiful buffs

[junior coral]

big beautiful buffs

BBBs babyyyyy

[smoky lotus]

incoming tarrifs

[junior coral]

ps5 tarrifs

[quaint mauve]

i just

wanna play the game

[ember goblet]

is ST in M+ any diff than AoE for outlaw? i feel my ST is lack luster lower than intended

[stiff vector]

Ye well rets wake of ashes has like a god damn 14y range in front of them, and divine storm is supposedly only 8y radius but there is 0 chance its the same radius as BF. Idk man its super annoying having to try to sit inside the pack when all blizzard does perma grief melee by making every other mechanic a huge area denial circle on top of the pack/melee

[quaint mauve]

for the most part no

u just dont press bf as a builder in ST

[ember goblet]

sims saying i should be 4Mil im 2.8-3Mil typically so curious why large diff \

[quaint mauve]

4 mill with raid buffs?

[gaunt phoenix]

In st you dont have deft maneuvers to help cushion mistakes

[ember goblet]

not sure how were simming honestly i just change from 1-6 targets while simming

[gaunt phoenix]

4m ST in keys is definitely ambitious

[quaint mauve]

def doable tho

with good rolls and buffs

[stiff vector]

I mean ive done 3.8-4m on bosses in keys, but you arent doing it without having monk+warr buff at minimum and good rng.

[junior coral]

if your running warr tank how are you getting monk buff?

heals? they kinda mid yea?

[keen belfry]

you arent

[junior coral]

yea so gotta run brew tank aye

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[junior coral]

=/

[keen belfry]

imagine

arcane mage

IMAGINE ARCANE MAGE!!

[indigo token]

ARCANE MAGE!!!!!!!!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[stiff vector]

tfw outlaw is lucky to do that dmg even in full ST talents with full raid buffs

[spring bay]

shiver me timbers

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel a 10% aura wouldn't be enough

that would only bring you to 4.4mil

🙁

[late swallow]

is the team looking for a havoc replacement atm?

[keen belfry]

is that pure st

[daring oxide]

but honestly fury warrior is giga pumping right now

might level one

[brisk lotus]

isnt this weapon giga low ilvl? why are people using it

[late swallow]

the apm of outlaw but you can full blender brain

[worldly sinew]

I just dinged 80 on mine 2seconds ago.. Gonna feel it out soon

[daring oxide]

sounds perfect ngl

[late swallow]

i'll play a fury warrior during legion remix

[worldly sinew]

So far pushing 3 buttons brainlessly(Fury) vs Outlaw rotation is making me drool but.. yeah

[late swallow]

it's been decided

[torpid fiber]

Vanish resets it on m+ trash

[gaunt phoenix]

offhand item level doesnt do a whole lot

the proc is 2.4% of your overall which makes it up rather handily

[keen belfry]

what yall think of my new upload comingout

[late swallow]

131 for a single key

[daring oxide]

fury looking pretty flat right now

[late swallow]

[daring oxide]

outlaw could be like this too!¬

[late swallow]

damn raging blow is going crazyt

[brisk lotus]

the extra effect counts as a extra proc of the vanish reset? or is it an actual bug?

[daring oxide]

honestly can you imagine how much Zac would explode and meltdown if they giga buff HO tomorrow and destroy KIR

[torpid fiber]

Vanish drops combat on M+ trash

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not a bug, vanish makes you leave combat, the proc resets when you leave combat

[brisk lotus]

oh i see

[daring oxide]

10% aura buff, HO buffed from 80% to 100%

[torpid fiber]

Definitely unintended that it means we use it, but it's not a bug

[brisk lotus]

oh man should i use that then? is that why my aoe feels so underwhelming

[junior coral]

Any one have dmg break down of say first pull in eco, of what the wep does for aoe for that trash pack =p lol

Or any pack for that matter, not overall but just a trash pack aoe

[vivid vessel]

[quaint mauve]

i quit

[junior coral]

Can’t find

[covert kestrel]

id pay money to see that

[keen belfry]

its coming soon

[late swallow]

solo is legit just perma ignoring me these days

feels really bad ngl

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-23357291

DEAR SOLO

[keen belfry]

its up

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel i think SOH needs to be buffed to 40% btw

the same value as s2 4p alone (which was 40%, SOH being 20%)

[vivid vessel]

i would rather we dontplay around 5 buff chance

if it was up to me

[daring oxide]

really?

how come

[vivid vessel]

i would rather maybe always roll 2 buffs

or smth

cause its weird high variance

[daring oxide]

but if SOH was 40% it should reduce variance no?

[fathom bramble]

Rtb should be 7 dice

[vivid vessel]

still feels weird to be gambling a 10% 5 buff isnt it

[daring oxide]

hmm

[fathom bramble]

So you can only get 1/2/3 buffs

[vivid vessel]

especially since the alternative is 1 buff

which is mega cringe

like i roll 5 times in a row a 1 buffer

i wanna kill myuself a biut im ngl

(did that on first pack priory)

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

why you low rolling solo

actually you kinda are low rolling

isnt it 2+7

or

[wintry solar]

Why are there 2 seperate 5 buff percentages

[random geyser]

loaded dice vs not

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's 2+5

supposedly

[keen belfry]

canu link again

i forgot where this WA was

[gaunt phoenix]

https://wago.io/I9nB9GUcJ

[mellow mica]

Does anyone have this weakaura profile?

4k hd image

[hearty stump]

anyone had an issue with elvui not showing supercharged combo points

[ocean lodge]

Hey, got a cosmic hunt trinket from timewalking. For M+ probabably drop soulbreaker for it if my other trinket is warpclaw?

[harsh gate]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[hearty stump]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[shell fossil]

anyone know if the confiscated cultist's bag can drop a vet track version of the mace?

[wintry solar]

[hardy rock]

Does outlaw has any funnel damage?

[craggy quiver]

I think only the weekly turn in chest can drop it

[shell fossil]

i guess the bag only drops adventurer track

[torpid fiber]

Yes technically, but we have more anti-funnel than funnel rn so we lose single target dps on multiple targets

[shell fossil]

well i got the mace but its in explorer track xd

[haughty wigeon]

Is this the weakaura required to play outlaw

[random geyser]

this weakaura is for the to get data for rolls

[strange kelp]

https://wago.io/fGs4XBrdo

I think thats hijack

[tender wedge]

Technically yes since you need to get good at complaining about bad rng to have the full outlaw experience

[brisk lotus]

the nightfalls cursed blade is doing more damage in st than my vers crit champ wep

and its by a laarge amount

this spec makes no sense

[gaunt phoenix]

how do you know it's doing more dmg in st?

you cant 'see' the damage of the other weapon

[daring oxide]

i feel the exact same too when it happens, especially on pull on any mythic raid boss (AND ESPECIALLY ON FARM BOSSES I JUST WANT TO DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE)

[daring oxide]

typical zac

[ember goblet]

anyone mind reviewing my log?

!log

[indigo token]

what was that about there being an addendum for outlaw buffs

:xdd:

[quaint mauve]

why did

my sim use stone idol

outve stealth?

no like

in stealth

i mean

[brisk lotus]

the dmg on details is shockingly lower

without the wep

[quaint mauve]

if its not simming higher

its placebo

[torpid fiber]

Could be a haste thing

[brisk lotus]

ur right ill sim

my haste was 18% without it

now its 19

just dont think it would be such a big deal

see i dont think the sim does realize the vanish reset thing

[torpid fiber]

Vanish doesn't reset it on bosses

It's specifically only on M+ dungeon trash that it works

[loud garden]

is there a way to set spell queue window per character besides a macro? like an addon or weakaura

on mage i need it high but feels awful on outlaw

[keen belfry]

weakaura exists osmewhere i have it

[loud garden]

link me pls <3

[keen belfry]

search spellqueue i dont have it anymore

in wago

[craggy barn]

hmmm

should i go fb for a 15 streets

[quick scaffold]

how does supercharger work ?

[cinder relic]

Your next finisher is +2

the talent below it, forced induction increases it to +3

[quaint mauve]

tanks r OP man

i just did 4 10s as a 660 vdh

[wintry solar]

That just means they're working

[quaint mauve]

nah man

im stress free

undergeared

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats what I mean

[scarlet carbon]

Hello guys, im pretty new to the rogue class and i just cant do any damage on outlaw like i do the rotations and everything but somehow my damage still sucks 🙁

how do u improve this

[edgy phoenix]

practice on dummies

[shell fossil]

get the mace from the nightfall event and use it on trash

[scarlet carbon]

i do practice but i still cant get a better picture how i will performe in the raid itself because im usually on the bottom of the list

yk what i mean

[shell fossil]

the rotation in raid and m+ are very similar, if you can do good dps in keys you can figure out the lil things for raid

don't drop adrenaline rush for no reason, use rtb correctly etc

[scarlet carbon]

and also speaking abt the rotation i can understand them in theory but wheni practice its either absolute dog shit damage or im just always out of stamina my ilvl is like 683 and i still see pretty small numbers

[edgy phoenix]

if u are dead bottom shit dps then theres something u are doing incorrectly

[scarlet carbon]

thats the thing i dont know what im doing wrong

[edgy phoenix]

read the #outlaw-faq

[quick scaffold]

where u get the mace ?

[edgy phoenix]

hallowfall event

[shell fossil]

nightfall curseblade's cudgel

it does better on trash than a 720oh right now

[quick scaffold]

is it easy to get ?

[shell fossil]

hourly event

and you get a chance at getting a 691 version once a week

get the flame's radiance quest or whatever its called and do the event

[quick scaffold]

sweeet thanks

[shell fossil]

there's also a weakaura that zac made for weapon swaps

cause u still want to use a higher ilevel offhand on single target/bosses

[frail veldt]

!commonmistakes

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[frail veldt]

Also if youd like someone to do a log review you can submit a log from a fight with !log

[scarlet carbon]

oh thank u

[frail veldt]

The main things to get right as outlaw are builder/spender rules and making sure you are using vanish correctly

[scarlet carbon]

alright thank u i will chek this out

[viral bison]

hows outlaw performing ?

is it still as hard as last season?

[vivid vessel]

Last season outlaw was great after the bf bugfixes

This season it's dogshit

[viral bison]

(literaly rank 1 rogue)

last season i didnt even find out why my dps is low af

i wanted to give it another shot so maybe in midnight then 😄

[cinder haven]

dogshit is a bit harsh

[shell fossil]

we're c tier behind bleed build assassin afaiu

they uh kicked the baby with tuning this season lmao

[frail veldt]

id say the rotation got harder due to double coup

but easier due to not dying to KS

so

[viral bison]

PTSD

im not touching outlaw again

thanks for reminding me that xd

[frail veldt]

but yeah if you were having trouble doing damage last season youre gona have a bad time this season

cuz outlaw was probably tuned 10-15% higher relative to the rest of the field last season

compared to this one

[viral bison]

i just played 2 first month

and i got burned out cause i couldnt see any progress on my dps xd

[vivid vessel]

Is it

I don't think it ever was as bad in raid as this season

And in m+ we have the worse damage profile we ever had

Legit bottom prio

Bottom st

We do lower AOE than tank

We are lowest overall

I don't think there was a season were we were as bad as this season since I started the game in m+ either

[hardy thicket]

Sepulcher

Pre buffs

Never forget

[cinder haven]

raid I agree is sad

m+ yeah damage profile is not good, but overalls are like top half or something at least

for sure not great though

and nowhere near last season

idk what our job in m+ is though

not dying?

[lime lake]

[shell fossil]

i tried using gouge and that spell doesn't exist in retail outside of pvp

[cinder haven]

filler damage when everyone is holding cds?

[vivid vessel]

That's not true lol

Like not at all

We only look higher than usual because we accepted we can't play outside of melee comps anymore

[cinder haven]

I know this isn't fully representative, but still

[shell fossil]

there's a lot of rerollers on sub right neow

[cinder haven]

and yeah, it only works because of melee comp

[grim spear]

remove zac's log from that then we can talk

[cinder haven]

amount of parses there is very low indeed

but it's not like zac did 1.2k keys this reset

even though he does play a lot 🙂

[shell fossil]

there's definitely plenty of outlaws just not logging

pirates lmao

[grim spear]

Too few people are playing this spec, and honestly their performance isn’t enough to represent Outlaw’s actual strength

not to mention with the cases where physical comps are running with a 15% buff.

[shell fossil]

weird but this season is being kinda mean to the tanks

[red zinc]

I just dont think playing a spec with a complete ST liability is fun

[torpid fiber]

I wish there was a meaningful way to quantify the "one trick bonus" for specs

[shell fossil]

gathering and managing casters is a lil oppressive frfr

[cinder haven]

there are some really cursed routes in some keys this season that some tanks try to play

perma chaining casters

maybe it's tanks that are used to playing with ranged dps only or something

[torpid fiber]

My gut is that you compare average dps of people who played a spec last season as well to those who didn't, and then use the proportion of people who meet that condition to create some kind of number?

[red zinc]

Why did streets suddenly become so unfun to play

Loved this dungeon in SL

[cinder haven]

when was streets ever fun?

[red zinc]

right side packs were fun

Now you dont even touch em

[torpid fiber]

I liked it in SL as well
It's fun when you don't care about dps as much and can just play the mechanics imo

[cinder haven]

I don't hate the trash in streets

[torpid fiber]

Streets trash rocks and a lot of the bosses have good ideas

[cinder haven]

unfun bosses though, except last, last is kinda cool

[red zinc]

I think we’ve just outgrown 5 boss dungeons maybe

would not be surprised to see a majority 3 boss dungeons next tier

[cinder haven]

music boss isn't quite as horrible after nerf

[shell fossil]

i mean just give rogue a ranged kick

[cinder haven]

outlaw only

pistol based kick

[shell fossil]

we kinda need more than 3 stops anyway two of them are long cd's

[red zinc]

Both cause lizzard is running out of ideas and because people just seem to enjoy 3 boss dungeons on average

[torpid fiber]

I'm fine with 5 boss dungeons when they're paced well

[lime lake]

good fuck 5 boss dungeons

[cinder haven]

if they won't give acro back I'm all for more midranged abilities I think

[red zinc]

like every single 3 boss dungeon made it back into the vote this season

Loot has a hand in that too but

[torpid fiber]

5 boss dungeons work if the bosses are squishier than 3 boss dungeons

[red zinc]

there is some correlation i think

[cinder haven]

the people that voted for ara-kara belong in hell though

[red zinc]

oh for sure

[shell fossil]

they did it to themselves

[red zinc]

Arakara is like number three on my worst dungeons of all time list

only spires and city of threads beat it out

[cinder haven]

I need to get better at distracting patrols

[red zinc]

they really missed on dungeons this xpac i cannot lie

[cinder haven]

while stopping alarm and kicking volleys

[red zinc]

Of the initial 8 there are like two good ones

[cinder haven]

and focusing down a hulk

I'm not good enough for this

[raw ocean]

i think current expansion dungeons shouldn’t have been allowed to vote on, makes it feel like we’re replaying s1 and s2… does not feel fresh :(

[red zinc]

Give us seat of triumverate you cowards

[shell fossil]

ara kara is a good dungeon idgi

[winged inlet]

how much dps i lose if i dont swap weapons in m+?

[cinder haven]

which weapon do you keep?

[winged inlet]

off hand , the proc one

[red zinc]

arakara is a good dungeon, it just has to work on its trash, bosses, pacing, layout, trash spread, abilities

[cinder haven]

myth dagger over cudgel is like 2% more ST

[shell fossil]

you know that pop team epic meme where popuko says a whole lot, expect to be bottom of the dps meter most pulls

[cinder haven]

so it's good but they have to work on everything?

[red zinc]

ye

cs copypasta

[cinder haven]

mhm

I wish I had more prio for the hulks

[red zinc]

Damn looking back s1 was really bad

we better get ooker in the dooker next season

[shell fossil]

it's weird i think like ruby life pools or brackenhide hollow were better designed

[fair tapir]

Brackenhide was fun after they fixed the tuning of last boss, but then was made dumb again when they nerfed the tree adds giving %

[cinder haven]

the dungeons are mostly fun this tier tbh

[fair tapir]

RLP is still very up there on my list of worst dungeons I've ever played

[red zinc]

naw

i dont think so personally

[shell fossil]

true tob, generally speaking also tho they were higher quality at a casual glance compared to current expansion

rlp was grief af for a rookie on tyrannical

[red zinc]

something being overtuned doesnt make somethin bad to play in my eyes

[shell fossil]

got it on a 20 but god was that sweaty

[red zinc]

i do think that the rose tinted glasses for me are crazy with previous expansions though

I thought df dungeons were meh and now compared to this id love em back

[fair tapir]

entire second half of the dungeon was super easy to grief if you didn't know exactly what to do

[red zinc]

but ill probably say the same next xpac so

[lime lake]

i dont mind the dungeons this season

[shell fossil]

tyrhold reservoir absolutely gaps stonevault 😐

[red zinc]

huh

halls of infusion?

[shell fossil]

oh right yeah

halls of infusion :)b

[red zinc]

uldaman is still a disaster

[lime lake]

nokhud

[red zinc]

Nokhud and dawnbreaker are the same

[lime lake]

dawnbreaker is better than nokhud imo

[shell fossil]

centaurland bad

[lime lake]

or would be without the bugs

[red zinc]

i liked some of the pulls in nokhud

Dont really have that feeling with dawn

[lime lake]

yes but you dont hear LET FLY the whole time

[red zinc]

3rd boss in nokhud was an unforgivable war crime though

[fair tapir]

3rd boss Nok was awful

but the rest of the dungeon was fine

There was a fair amount of pretty fun stuff you could do on last boss if you wanted to up your skill ceiling

[red zinc]

Cant believe i used to play without elusiveness before that boss came into existence

entirety of SL no elu

[shell fossil]

current dungeons are about as good as azure vault from df s1 imo

[red zinc]

or i guess it made sense then idr

[fair tapir]

Playing no elusiveness now cause I don't feel like I consistently have the energy to press feint

[red zinc]

AV was a great dungeon until they didnt allow fun in season 4

[shell fossil]

good just not like you know giving aura

[red zinc]

The side wall skip was peak

[fair tapir]

Pre-nerfs AV was ass

[red zinc]

what did they even nerf

[shell fossil]

i only played it s3/4 cause that's when i started wouldn't know

[red zinc]

i dont remember anything being hard outside of last boss sucking to play

[fair tapir]

Ball boss

[red zinc]

but honestly it was easier in season 1 just clunky

[fair tapir]

can't remember how, but I remember it was fucked

[red zinc]

oh the % hp phasing sure

That was a good change

4 phase boss wasnt great

but the side wall skip made up for that

[fair tapir]

Idt it did, but I did enjoy the side wall skip a lot

[red zinc]

Anyway I hope we get more legion/mop/wod dungeons returning

feel like they stopped this xpac almost

returning dungeons were what, nw, mists, grim batol, boralus, mechagon, motherlode, top

Modern dungeons they barely have to touch

[hardy thicket]

I want to play Sanguine Depths again

[shell fossil]

idk there's probably a lot of cutting room floor stuff from shadowlands that got worked into dragonflight

hopefully midnight gets all the cutting room floor stuff from tww and goes off

[red zinc]

it already has

I think ecodome is a good reflection of midnight dungeons so we’ll probably get more stuff like that

Both it being recent and this whole patch possibly being midnight content

[lime lake]

i think eco dome is pretty decent

[red zinc]

harandir probably the swapped tww patch so

wonder if that dungeon will be notably different

[shell fossil]

i'd like it more if assa rogue was working outside of bleed build but yeah <:p

[red zinc]

If they bring back SD without the canisters though

That dungeon will be pretty eh

[hardy thicket]

ye without canisters its kinda meh tru

wish they'd just make it so eveyone can play them like in NW

in that case

[vivid vessel]

Ok but

This data is legit useless

First of all no one logs keys at all

Legit no one

I'm probably the only rogue logging high keys

And both assa and sub are showing doing lower overall than outlaw

Even max

When if you aren't clueless you know that sub will legit do 1/2 mil more than outlaw in the same key

So idk

Also additionally our damage profile is absolute beans

While sub and assa have good damage profile

Also we all know low keys favor outlaw

And idc what anyone says but tuning in low keys is irrelevant

You will time keys regardless

Not true in higher keys

And higher keys meta trickle down

So only high keys tuning is relevant

In the end

[shell fossil]

outlaw was pretty good at working with iffy chain pulls before this season

[haughty wigeon]

they should tho

especially if tank

[vivid vessel]

i wish logging was just automatic

so we had data

like in league

[haughty wigeon]

it would be hella useful, but like the majority of highend key players dont believe in it or something idk

[torpid fiber]

that's probably exactly why it isn't unfortunately

[haughty wigeon]

and like meta

it trickles down

[vivid vessel]

no they private log

cause idk

[haughty wigeon]

same thing

[vivid vessel]

hiding data all the time

is cool

i like sharing data

[haughty wigeon]

sharing data and using said data to improve and see where you went wrong and what could be done to improve is cool

i have some crazy stories from early df s2 for vdh

that wouldnt be stories, if people just log

[rotund zodiac]

Imagine gate keeping knowledge

[haughty wigeon]

imagine not realizing that a specific talent doesnt work half the time, ignoring everyone who knows it doesnt work, ignoring logs that shows it not working half the time

just because the tierset at the time looks like it synergizes with said talent. to bad said talent didnt work half the time.

[rotund zodiac]

I wish I could learn more secret tech

[spare dome]

play sub then

[quaint mauve]

getting declined on repeat made me frustrated enough to go hiking to like obtain monk mental

[spare dome]

4Head

[wintry solar]

I discovered a thing called grass and showers

[shell fossil]

i have to do another set of arms and chest after dinner

painting tho

[quaint mauve]

maybe i just play tank now huh…

since they’re just like

easy

[haughty wigeon]

if your overal is under 4mil, im makign fun of you

[spare dome]

I like my brew alt

cozy

getting to keys is also ez

[quaint mauve]

i was a vdh main

i was doing 3. something last season usually

playing scarred ofc