which rarely happens as fury
#outlaw
sleek thorn
sullen wyvern
but its fun
sleek thorn
do u think peon could play fury warr
sleek thorn
True...
sleek thorn
sullen wyvern
https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-world-of-warcraft-classic-rogue-rogue-p...
that feels more like ww
quaint mauve
https://tenor.com/view/fury-warrior-wotlk-wrath-world-of-warcraft-warrior-gif-26...
guys stop
i played that before outlaw
sleek thorn
youre just adhd brainrot kid
random geyser
wait hml is a furry?
sleek thorn
you need your daily proc dopamine
quaint mauve
bro we both play outlaw
sleek thorn
i play chad overpower
quaint mauve
WE r both adhd brain rot kids bro
sleek thorn
LOLOLOL
sullen wyvern
arms before it got buffed
sleek thorn
who is we?¿¿¿¿
torpid fiber
You cannot be in the Outlaw chat calling other people adhd in a derogatory way
sullen wyvern
sleek thorn
WHO IS WE???
quaint mauve
who is we?¿¿¿¿
WE as in ME and YOU
sullen wyvern
y u hate fun
quaint mauve
i like arms in pvp only
torpid fiber
cinder relic
y u hate fun
Bro playing 70 apm on an alt is actually just nightmare scenario
sleek thorn
i look like her
cinder relic
On mythic too 
quaint mauve
everyone here either has adhd or is a stimulant abuser
quaint mauve
EVERYONE
sleek thorn
but its not correlated..
sleek thorn
OUTLAW!!!!
fathom bramble
everyone here either has adhd or is a stimulant abuser
can't play outlaw without my espresso
quaint mauve
can't play outlaw without my espresso
i love espressos
torpid fiber
Bro playing 70 apm on an alt is actually just nightmare scenario
Ok this is actually super fair
sullen wyvern
Bro playing 70 apm on an alt is actually just nightmare scenario
Understandable. Personally chill as arms.
Like I play music when I play anything but outlaw
torpid fiber
alts are for a different experience, if I wanted to play high apm I can just play outlaw
sleek thorn
assas rogues are the npc average tiktoker
outlaw is the adhd autistic kid who cant stop moving their leg
sub rogue is the nonchalant mysterious one but in a bad way
fathom bramble
idk if I have to play an alt I would most rather play one with a fun rotation
sullen wyvern
when I play outlaw I gotta focus up so I dont fuck up
sleek thorn
assas rogues are the npc average tiktoker
outlaw is the adhd autistic kid who ca...
do you guys agree
quaint mauve
Bro playing 70 apm on an alt is actually just nightmare scenario
i’ve been playing lock while teaching my gf how to play, and bro i feel so sluggish
like 40 apm
sullen wyvern
do you guys agree
outlaw = chad rest = betas
quaint mauve
at all times
sleek thorn
i’ve been playing lock while teaching my gf how to play, and bro i feel so slugg...
i was in vc with my bf and he could barely keep up with what i was telling him 😭
too much info
torpid fiber
I play healer in ff14 although that's actually bc healing pugs is as close as you can get to reactive gameplay in that game
quaint mauve
i was in vc with my bf and he could barely keep up with what i was telling him �...
yeah this games kinda difficult to teach
sullen wyvern
I have a lot of respect to players that stick to their spec no matter what
sleek thorn
yeah this games kinda difficult to teach
i told him to not play wow because its NOT good
sullen wyvern
Like Zerocool with assa even though I dont like assa
torpid fiber
i was in vc with my bf and he could barely keep up with what i was telling him �...
I have a mental image now of someone trying to coach outlaw by just saying the abilities to press out loud
quaint mauve
but she’s abt to have all 10s soon
quaint mauve
I have a mental image now of someone trying to coach outlaw by just saying the a...
LOL i do this
sleek thorn
I have a mental image now of someone trying to coach outlaw by just saying the a...
do you know those auction commentators?
basically that
indigo token
god
torpid fiber
LOL i do this
I did it once for a friend who was playing ff14 while hammered off his rocker it was so funny bc his UI was so dogshit that I had no clue where any of his shit was
quaint mauve
bro i don’t know how to feel but
indigo token
is it even feasible to get an alt geared this late into the season
quaint mauve
bro she does like close to my dmg and she started playing 2 weeks ago
sleek thorn
skill issue
quaint mauve
as a lock
quaint mauve
skill issue
destro lock is broken idc
torpid fiber
feels insurmountable with how bad keys are to run
You can legit just 1v5 low keys tbf
torpid fiber
if you're vaguely competent and your healer isn't literally afk (they don't have to be good they just have to not be literally afk) you can just do enough dps to carry 2 other awful dps in low keys
quaint mauve
like i was able to play with basically no healer last season for 7s
as like a low geared vdh
torpid fiber
if im below 80 apm
I've been playing silksong and my overworld movement in that game is like 120apm because I just get adhd
sleek thorn
between the eyes supremacy
quaint mauve
i liked the first game
idk if ima get the new one tho
someone in my family share probs got it i need to check
torpid fiber
hollow knight is good, I haven't finished silksong so I don't really have an opinion on it
sleek thorn
I've been playing silksong and my overworld movement in that game is like 120apm...
the only one of those kind ive played is
indigo token
hornet is bad as fuck
sleek thorn
hornet is bad as fuck
??
quaint mauve
https://tenor.com/view/crystal-the-cavern-spirit-gif-5391717727769416860
I LOVE ORI
indigo token
i would fuck the shit out of that bug icl
sleek thorn
I LOVE ORI
hii
torpid fiber
I play soooo many 2d platformers although I gotta play more
quaint mauve
100% all games
sleek thorn
i played blind forest
cinder relic
i would fuck the shit out of that bug icl
Stop being weird
torpid fiber
Shoutouts Dustforce best game ever made
quaint mauve
it’s my favorite single player game man
indigo token
fine.
cinder relic
You don't need to tell a bunch of 20 year old men which anime characters you want to have sex with
indigo token
forever guy
sleek thorn
aura
torpid fiber
he's called foreverguy because he's confident in his gender 🔥
stiff vector
i would fuck the shit out of that bug icl
cinder relic
erm ackshually im 18
That's even worse
sleek thorn
i turned 18 in january actually
quaint mauve
bro turned 18 and joined the outlaw channel
i mean i was in this discord when i was 15
torpid fiber
This channel is average mental age of 18 tbf so I think she fits right in
sleek thorn
True...
torpid fiber
u can't tell me zeross is mental age == physical age
sleek thorn
i love gambling!!!!!
indigo token
i mean i was in this discord when i was 15
oh
sleek thorn
keep it rolling
indigo token
i gotta stop talking about that stuff then
sleek thorn
i need the gamble..
indigo token
there might be miners in here
sleek thorn
there might be miners in here
as a child, i yearned for the mines
indigo token
as a child, i yearned for the mines
THE NETHER
sleek thorn
we mine and craft
torpid fiber
there might be miners in here
Yeah I can see why you'd assume that no one under 18 plays wow but you're in the channel for the zoomer spec
sleek thorn
lets minecraft
indigo token
Yeah I can see why you'd assume that no one under 18 plays wow but you're in the...
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
like the uncs are in the sub chat
quaint mauve
i was mythic raiding by 16
indigo token
i was mythic raiding by 16
im so sorry
torpid fiber
WoW is so funny because like the game is actually kinda insanely zoomercore rn but also they're so bad at marketing that all the zoomers are playing ff14 and that game is boomercore
quaint mauve
first mythic guild i joined was 3 hours 4 days bro
sleek thorn
ive never mythic raided because spain has 0 guilds that i like because theyre all 35 year old
quaint mauve
i never stood a chance
indigo token
WoW is so funny because like the game is actually kinda insanely zoomercore rn b...
i mean like
theres no miqo in wow
i play vulpera tho
quaint mauve
i play ff14 as a fashion game
torpid fiber
Yeah that's the issue WoW characters just aren't as cute
quaint mauve
pls
sleek thorn
LOL
quaint mauve
delete that gif…
sleek thorn
why...
quaint mauve
Yeah that's the issue WoW characters just aren't as cute
it has less customization than like any other mmo
river escarp
Yeah that's the issue WoW characters just aren't as cute
You're trying to tell me that Male Trolls aren't the cutest race of them all? 
quaint mauve
and it’s also so hard to get into
torpid fiber
i play ff14 as a fashion game
Sameeeee
Fashion + story
It looks so much better than wow imo (even if I know ppl who disagree, and wow does look fine just in a different way)
cinder relic
Stop being weird
sleek thorn
You're trying to tell me that Male Trolls aren't the cutest race of them all? <:...
toes
quaint mauve
you could learn the actual game with no pay wall
indigo token
alright guys time to clean the channel up
sleek thorn
But that's the appeal! <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
i know
torpid fiber
They keep trying to improve the new player experience but they legit just gotta make the free trial "everything before the current expac" imo
indigo token
sleek thorn
alright guys time to clean the channel up
quaint mauve
They keep trying to improve the new player experience but they legit just gotta ...
exactly
indigo token
STOP PISSING ON THE FLOOR
sleek thorn
STOP PISSING ON THE FLOOR
quaint mauve
also it’s difficult to get into a game where you need to pay a sub and then a 40 $ expac to actually play
torpid fiber
how do I pitch wow to friends who want to try an mmorpg when it's like "well you could play wow, or you could play ff14 the game with a free trial literally 100x longer (based on my real personal playtimes on the free trials of them)"
river escarp
DESGOOOSTIN
indigo token
https://tenor.com/view/buh-b-u-h-cat-silly-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%82-gif-22423553526087...
im more of a fuh guy
torpid fiber
how do I pitch wow to friends who want to try an mmorpg when it's like "well you...
This exact situation has come up at least three times, it's not hypothetical
quaint mauve
how do I pitch wow to friends who want to try an mmorpg when it's like "well you...
all my friends i get into the game play on private servers
bc atleast they can play the whole game
sleek thorn
im more of a fuh guy
sleek thorn
zuh?
indigo token
torpid fiber
And I always go "wow gameplay is just the best thing out there, it's 12/10, that's the reason I keep coming back to it", but gameplay is so much harder to pitch than "the game has 200 hours for free and catgirls"
sleek thorn
wow has worgens tho
theyre hot..
i mean
who said that??
must have been the wind
indigo token
torpid fiber
And I always go "wow gameplay is just the best thing out there, it's 12/10, that...
But I really do believe wow gameplay is insanely ahead, and not just combat.
The fact that in wow quest objects are actual objects you click on while in ff14 they're just sparkles on the ground with a caption really matters
sleek thorn
https://tenor.com/view/karelikesjellyfish-werewolf-griddy-silly-goofy-gif-420785...
sigma
indigo token
But I really do believe wow gameplay is insanely ahead, and not just combat.
Th...
ehhhhhhhhhhh
quaint mauve
But I really do believe wow gameplay is insanely ahead, and not just combat.
Th...
wow has the best mmo combat imo
torpid fiber
yes. The writing in wow generally sucks
torpid heath
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.- Just before key placement use
AR into 
KS to get 
Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs. - KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
- During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
- After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open onto the pack with AR into
BtE.
quaint mauve
man that made me think
indigo token
kill 5 obamazillion crabs in this area
torpid fiber
The gameplay of the quests mogs though
indigo token
The gameplay of the quests mogs though
not for some classes
cause you dont get to do ur full opener before they die
torpid fiber
kill 5 obamazillion crabs in this area
bro ff14 is like this but you have to spend 10 hours channelling at sparkles as well
indigo token
bro ff14 is like this but you have to spend 10 hours channelling at sparkles as ...
have you done the 7.3 quests
they bang
torpid fiber
Not yet
quaint mauve
i think wow shouldn’t be sub based….
torpid fiber
unfortunately in ff14 I play it for the story and casually which means last I played I only got shadowbringers levelling msq done and then wow patch dropped so I played it
I've just been chipping away at ff14 msq over the years, on average I progress faster than new stuff comes out
quaint mauve
f2p….
torpid fiber
I think the sub model is the most ethical model
quaint mauve
paying for expacs only
indigo token
we already have gold buying, cosmetic microtransactions, level boost, and expansions
quaint mauve
I think the sub model is the most ethical model
idc abt it bc i pay with gold only
indigo token
how much more money can they squeeze out if it turns f2p
indigo token
idc abt it bc i pay with gold only
on some osrs shit?
quaint mauve
we already have gold buying, cosmetic microtransactions, level boost, and expans...
yeah which is what f2p games do
quaint mauve
on some osrs shit?
i love m+ boosting
sleek thorn
i love m+ boosting
can u boost me
quaint mauve
i insta sign up for every boost that gets posted
fallow sonnet
whats the easiest way for me to get just some clean WA CDs, do I need to sift through a whole package?
i have my rtb, AR tracker, energy+combo points set up the way i want them (not position, gonna move them around more still) i basically all i want is some ability cds and im ngl im getting a headache trying to sort thru a package rn 
quaint mauve
can u boost me
if you pay
sleek thorn
if you pay
can i pay with white monster
indigo token
if I wanted to babysit mentally disabled people I would volunteer for it
im not doing it in my free time
its astounding how bad people can be at WoW
sleek thorn
if I wanted to babysit mentally disabled people I would volunteer for it
im not mentally disabled im just scared of playing m+
quaint mauve
if I wanted to babysit mentally disabled people I would volunteer for it
what r u talking about
indigo token
oh wait they are
quaint mauve
yeah
quaint mauve
they sit at dungeon start
fallow sonnet
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
quaint mauve
and you 4 man the dungeon
indigo token
imagine 4 manning gambit
quaint mauve
now for like high key boosts they have to play
quaint mauve
imagine 4 manning gambit
def doable at a 12
you can tank 2 shots of it with defensives up
indigo token
def doable at a 12
i mean specifically the last boss
quaint mauve
yeah
indigo token
cause it takes FOREVER
sleek thorn
@quaint mauve i asked for boost not bc im mentally slow, its because im scared of my performance because evn tho i know most of the time nobody cares i care too much 🙏
im that silly
indigo token
<@367312825607258112> i asked for boost not bc im mentally slow, its because im ...
im sorry for calling you mentally disabled 
sleek thorn
im sorry for calling you mentally disabled <:besad:507266809431326729>
its okay
indigo token
i like being rude to groups of people I make up in my head
quaint mauve
boosting low keys is so relaxing
sleek thorn
youre forgiven
quaint mauve
music in ears , playing easy mode
sleek thorn
u can help me do my +2 👀
quaint mauve
rip
sleek thorn
its literally 5 am LMFAPO
torpid fiber
i like being rude to groups of people I make up in my head
I'm convinced people love being mean in a socially acceptable way and that's why "clanker" is so popular as a term
sleek thorn
rip
iom literally from spain.. i dont think u can gert more european
sp*in
i have to censor
river escarp
I'm convinced people love being mean in a socially acceptable way and that's why...
So I'm old and dumb, what does Clanker exactly refer to? Quick googling just refers to AI related stuff so I think I'm missing something. >>;
sleek thorn
So I'm old and dumb, what does Clanker exactly refer to? Quick googling just ref...
slur for robots
hard r for robots
thats it
torpid fiber
^
river escarp
Okay so that's what I figured, gotcha. I know I heard Max mention it during RWF so I wasn't sure if the use got reappropriated for WoW/Game specific stuff. Thank you 
fallow sonnet
does keeping track of supercharger actually matter?
quaint mauve
does keeping track of supercharger actually matter?
not really
sleek thorn
come to eu
quaint mauve
im moving to prague in 2 years actually
sleek thorn
why
quaint mauve
to reside within prague
sleek thorn
i see
quaint mauve
i have family and friends there
sleek thorn
my family is in south america 💀
worldly sinew
do i get back on to get the decline record higher
Get those Declines. Even the groups that let you brick their own keys.. It cant be helped.
3mins over +12 Akara
Im trying. Im just.. trying
sleek thorn
noob
stuck sparrow
damn why are all these tanks doing s2 numbers
quaint mauve
Get those Declines. Even the groups that let you brick their own keys.. It cant ...
i play like a gift from the lord yet the droolers get invited over me
i need to do my monk keys
so whatever i’ve done all 8 on rogue
sleek thorn
i play like a gift from the lord yet the droolers get invited over me
(fury warr and dh)
quick scaffold
Im still missing my 4th peice how much damage is it really costing me ?
sleek thorn
1 trillion
quaint mauve
Im still missing my 4th peice how much damage is it really costing me ?
depends
m+ or raid
arctic hollow
Shoutouts Dustforce best game ever made
Incredible game but fuck that learning curve
arctic hollow
Banger ost too
torpid fiber
Goated OST 100%
I have some complaints about dustforce (left friction, grounddashes should have a 2f buffer window, etc.) but they're mostly minor stuff
And it has so many innovative ideas and solutions to issues that are still issues in games releasing in 2025
And movement just feels sooooo good once you get it
arctic hollow
It looks incredible in th ehands of good players
torpid fiber
And it has so many innovative ideas and solutions to issues that are still issue...
Silksong literally has a movement clunk point that dustforce has an explicit solution for
arctic hollow
yeah some of it is rough, i dont have the technical knowledge to follow that conversation but some of the plateforming is pain
torpid fiber
that's super fair
The big thing I think of is that in dustforce jumps have 8 frames of startup, but if you'd fall off an edge during that startup instead you instantly get the jump
This means you never have situations where you're like "I pressed the button while on the platform and didn't jump!!!"
arctic hollow
Oh right, yeah I felt that. As, jumps that you pressed too late for the plateform but too early for the coyote time just get eaten
Especially when dash-running from small platforms, feels really bad
torpid fiber
Yeah, or silksong is worse where you can press jump on a platform and be too late for the coyote time
Silksong mostly feels fantastic so far but this is my biggest complaint
Although ever since I discovered being able to run from ledgegrabs it's a lot less of an issue because I can do dashjumps from any size platform with that
arctic hollow
I hate the parachute with a passion. It making us bounce off grabable ledge will leavea bit mark on my controler
arctic hollow
Although ever since I discovered being able to run from ledgegrabs it's a lot le...
Thanks for the tip
torpid fiber
I found it by accident, but yeah if you press dash during a ledgegrab you immediately run on getup
torpid fiber
I hate the parachute with a passion. It making us bounce off grabable ledge will...
I just dislike floats in general, they always play boring
I think it's better in silksong than most cases because it's usable as a replacement for pogoing in combat, but it's still just so boring
fathom bramble
time for sub jail now that we are on the board for nexus king
horrible fight and somehow our 2nd worst fight in the raid
drowsy ridge
I'm now feeling the pain of Subterfuge on Dimmy. Surely they'll at least fix that, right?
fathom bramble
doubt
takes longer than a tier on average for a stealth related bug to get fixed
and by then the tier will be over
drowsy ridge
They did fix the Gate Delve Stealth issue. So I wonder how similar the issues are between that and the Subterfuge bug
pearl topaz
drowsy ridge
I wonder if it has to do with an encounter start flag when using the gate or something
cinder relic
It only breaks with subterfuge
It's one of those things that like loktark said, probably won't get fixed
And it's also already a terrible outlaw fight where fixing that bug won't really move the needle...
drowsy ridge
I know, but I'm still being hopeful. I'm not expecting it, or too much of anything really, before Midnight
random geyser
gotta love it
drowsy ridge
Well, at least we got Nexus King down for the first time today, I got the H Soul Hunters boots, and a Prisim with Avoidance
stiff vector
god I hate raid buffs man 
think its almost impossible to time halls/flood on 15/16+ playing a 0 raid buff(well outside of AI/fort but we dont care about those) comp with this dogass spec
fathom bramble
I wish raidbuffs didn't apply in keys
like in raid there is a fair expectations of having all raidbuffs active
but in keys that is just not a reality and I should not have my damage swing by 20% depending on who is in my group
alternatively putting in a keystone should apply all raidbuffs to all players for the entire key
torpid fiber
You just know that if they removed raid buff in keys they'd decide to prevent numbing poison in keys
fathom bramble
or that yeah
frail veldt
and like you can give a raid buff to your teammates as if you were X class
thatd be cool
so you still are capped at 5 raid buffs
but you could like pick them
frail veldt
You just know that if they removed raid buff in keys they'd decide to prevent nu...
thats fine
do people use numbing? lol
I just run atrophic I never cared
fathom bramble
sometimes
torpid fiber
We had it before atrophic was more my point
frail veldt
its so nerfed now its sad
fathom bramble
I feel like atrophic is better in high keys mostly
pretty much everyone else should use numbing
frail veldt
typical outlaw experience
torpid fiber
Atrophic is better in high keys defs my point was more "we'd end up losing something we had before they gave it to everyone else"
random stirrup
glass mortar
Numbing is basically only better for tank damage reduc
How often is tank not dying to autos the deciding factor in a pull
fathom bramble
it's okay for kick heavy weekly keys imo
torpid fiber
How often is tank not dying to autos the deciding factor in a pull
A lot in low keys
glass mortar
I lock in atro like 98% of the time
fathom bramble
just for some pug resistance
torpid fiber
Numbing is bis in <=10 imo
frail veldt
sure
torpid fiber
Atrophic 100% is better in high keys
frail veldt
but like you could run no non-lethal poison
and it wouldnt matter
but yeah I def remmeber running numbing when I was pushing on keys where the tank would get spanked af
fathom bramble
when I did push keys I just let our tank decide
he did have me running numbing in some keys and atro in others
that was DF season 1 though when I last did proper title keys so it's been a few season since then
torpid fiber
that's 100% the correct choice if you're able to do that tbf
"Let the people who it affects choose"
torpid fiber
I ran crippling on spiteful weeks 🙂
sullen wyvern
I didnt play on spiteful weeks 🙂
fathom bramble
the superior strat
strong halo
typical outlaw experience
Idk if it’s outlaw when I applied as sub my luck wasn’t better
stiff vector
bruh how am I gapping a BM hnter in ara kara, the spec is 2 buttons 
how do these people get into 15s/16s
stiff vector
well Banshers sure has those 3 buttons figured out better than 99% of BM hunters ive played with this season lul
fresh acorn
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
frail veldt
well Banshers sure has those 3 buttons figured out better than 99% of BM hunters...
bro I have the same feeling about fury
people keep saying fury pumps
and every fury im with does like <7m overall
idgi
but all the wars I know say fury is super easy
so how is it ieasy
and people suck at it?
idgi
stiff vector
idk I happen to know a lot of good fury warriors for some reason so I havent rly run into that issue outside of the 1 gambit 15 the other day when we actually missed timer because dude was doing legit 4.5m on fury
I usually play arms when I play warr but from what I understand about the bug fix, if anything Fury is even easier to play than before
stiff vector
like legit, theyre probably just not pressing raging blow enough srs
sullen wyvern
Still doing rat keys on my warrior, low io
if they are thane > BT . Slayer > RB
I play slayer for more prio damage and single target
I dislike the concept of Fury using thundercalp/thunderblast
stiff vector
ye my friend was telling me for slayer youre legit basically just pressing RB perma and you only care about spending so much as to get Bladestorm back off CD as fast as possible
like it is actually kinda braindead
sullen wyvern
Pretty much
it is
Like I said before
I was doing shit damage as fury
because my outlaw brain was min maxing all the resources
went to warriro discord
went to critcakes stream
asked some questions
spec is gigabraindead
dont care about overcapping rage as long as you are in enrage
press RB as much as possible
thats it
stiff vector
I mean I guess it kinda makes sense if some1 wasnt aware of the bugfix but like..its not like fury hasnt played slayer in raid regularly, if some1 mains the spec it should take 5 min to realize how to play it properly
sullen wyvern
Well, the issue I was encountering in raid as fury was that you use the Cold steel hot blood talent
so my brain went: stack BT to 100% crit and use it for bleed
actually no, you never wanna press BT
so it's kinda counterintuitive, you gotta check prio list
And the same goes for ragecap, you'd think that you never wanna overcap rage but doesnt matter
stiff vector
but like...idk how the vast majority of BM hunters ive played with manage to fuck that spec up so bad, like almost every single one not only has done shit aoe but even shit boss dmg too and it just blows my mind
sullen wyvern
That idk
I've never palyed hunter
From what I know BM is even more braindead than fury
stiff vector
I mostly played surv on my hunter but prob gonna gear it now as an alt cuz its going to be broken, and need something to swap to that doesnt suck complete ass if they are just going to let this spec sit in the dumpster for no reason
fathom bramble
I used crests on items I already had instead of crafting anything
frail veldt
I did mainhand and bracers for first two
random geyser
i did 2 rings and sword
frail veldt
I used crests on items I already had instead of crafting anything
yeah thats what I might do tbh
fathom bramble
I feel like you go either dagger(OH) or a ring
most of the time for most players
but if you own good myth track items that you can send crests on it then don't craft anything
stiff vector
I just crafted bracers, had a myth track dagger alrdy
fathom bramble
I'm surprised by the bracer craft but I guess we have so many locked slots it really is just ring bracers or wep
random stirrup
i regret crafting a ring, got infinite other pieces to spend gilded on now
worthy elm
i crafted bracers... and then got random bracers in raid with me saying, hey ill use these eventually down the road when i can catalize it..
stuck sparrow
and people suck at it?
because people straight up arent pressing buttons
fury damage rn is actually pretty good now that rb can trigger reaps with tier
quaint mauve
for me it’s .5%
jolly geyser
belt getting nerfed anyway
quaint mauve
everything else is .2
fathom bramble
maybe an upgrade, but no way it beats just sending crests on other items
quaint mauve
hmmmm
fathom bramble
unless you have no loot idk
fathom bramble
crests on helm/leg/chest are incredibly strong
jolly geyser
ye
quaint mauve
i have champ helmet still
frail veldt
crests on helm/leg/chest are incredibly strong
yeah I have myth helm shoulders chest so maybe I just dump it there
quaint mauve
i have myth shoulders
quaint mauve
maybe i send it at that
unborn haven
For m+ content i guess cudgel at 678 is still hella strong no? Seeing it sim higher then my dimensius hc mace with haste/versa ><
worthy elm
yea i only have 2 crafts but myth tier legs/chest that are maxed now
solid ore
Cudgel reminds me of the Diver’s Folly in EP in BfA
fathom bramble
remember how we were doing to wear folly one full expansion later until blizz just disabled the item
solid ore
It hurt my soul.
fathom bramble
hell it wouldn't surprise me if we wore it right now if it wasn't disabled
for 3+ targets
solid ore
I’d farm more Folly’s right now for the hopeful small Indy blunder
fathom bramble
pretty sure I still have it in my bank lol
wintry solar
What's EP again?
fathom bramble
eternal palace
fathom bramble
where we got nerfed mid azhsara prog because of M+ 🙂
solid ore
I’ve strictly played OL since legion and will say dumpster vibes only make us stronger
But current vibes are questionable
fathom bramble
dim is probably our most doomed fight ever
at least on tindral we had decent tuning, but this time around it's just a unmitigated disaster
stuck sparrow
remember how we were doing to wear folly one full expansion later until blizz ju...
also force multipler scaled up
for some fucked up reason
solid ore
Dim makes me feel like I need to save vanishes for all phases and honestly tilts me on entrance. Like, thanks for the 2 sec subterfuge on pull?
stiff vector
on tindral I actually was kinda blasting on some pulls(ofc we didnt killthe boss on those pulls lul), Dimmy is just a complete and utter unmitigated disaster in every possible way
also I just think the fight sucks regardless of what spec I play on dimmy
solid ore
Rogue is just not a fun class on Doug Dina dome
stuck sparrow
tindral was ok if you didnt have to do flying
lmfao
dimmy is a shit melee boss
fuck is that hitbox
stiff vector
ye when they removed 1 person having to go up or w/e, I instantly became that one melee freed from flying prison and it wasnt that bad then
the dimmy hitbox is so criminally bad I can only assume they made it like that because they just genuinely enjoy trolling tf out of melee this xpac
even cant see shit because of his arms because you have to get so fucking close to him
fathom bramble
I'm still convinced it was an accident
they just tuned it for the front of the platform
and neglected to consider the shape of the platform
stiff vector
like how is the game 20 years old, and we still cant make half decent melee hitboxes and not grief melee with most fight/mechanic designs, I can only assume its intentional at this point
solid ore
On first guild clear I questioned hit box as a bug but holy fuck. For such a big boss he has tiny range syndrome.
stuck sparrow
Speaking of troll shit
fathom bramble
"Melee range has increased since these talents were introduced"
random stirrup
like how is the game 20 years old, and we still cant make half decent melee hitb...
they intentionally keep parry in the game
frail veldt
like how is the game 20 years old, and we still cant make half decent melee hitb...
yeaaaah
last boss
of fucking eco
is the TINYEST
hitbox
in the entire game
stuck sparrow
they should make distract work on friendlies
i wanna distract a dragon into a frontal
on his breath
fathom bramble
I like it how we inevitably get bosses that force you into their front without blizzard disabling parry on them
stiff vector
of fucking eco
now that you say it, you do legit have to literally be kissing him in the mouth to melee him
fathom bramble
when last time I saw them asked about parry they said on bosses where you feel like you have to be in front of them they would ideally disable parry
stiff vector
I like it how we inevitably get bosses that force you into their front without b...
ah yes, another absolute blizzard classic
fathom bramble
also fatebound coin can be parried for some reason
frail veldt
not to mention
random stirrup
i wonder if they know that literally every single raid boss requires you go in front of it sometimes
stiff vector
ye ive seen my coins get parried, ive seen my trinket use get parried on dimmy
solid ore
also fatebound coin can be parried for some reason
That’s such a weird game mechanic
frail veldt
its the most fuzzy animation ever
stiff vector
like what in the actual fuck is that
torpid fiber
I do not understand why parrying still exists as a mechanic
solid ore
Like that’s what they focus on
torpid fiber
Parrying is legit nonsensical
If you don't want players standing in front of the boss, just give it a frontal.
Which they already do.
fathom bramble
we are usually forced into a spot with complete disregard for whether that spot is infront of the boss or not
it's just the nature of frequent positioning sensitive fights
torpid fiber
They should just straight up remove parrying
It shouldn't be something they have to remember to disable every fight
stiff vector
p1 dimmy is also just giga cringe because youre pretty much forced into a small area, and then you also need to go drop your puddles every 20 seconds or w/e, and it just makes it difficult to actually be close enough to the add to even cleave it for any reasonable amount of time, but ranged can just target dimmy or the add and hit both easily
stuck sparrow
the irony of frontals existing
stiff vector
and some ranged can just hit all the adds+dimmyat same time
random stirrup
dimmy is just an atrocity for melee i swear every dev who worked on it only tested it as a ranged
torpid fiber
dimmy is just an atrocity for melee i swear every dev who worked on it only test...
I think this is true for 80% of wow
stiff vector
Im also just giga convinced BF range is bugged or something, or maybe most mob hitboxes this season are just insanely small because I swear to god my BF dmg will look suspiciously low sometimes and only thing I can think of is that somehow some mobs arent in range of my BF
but other melee have no issue aoeing the same mobs/packs, seemingly.
torpid fiber
have you done a basic test to check if it's the right radius on dummies?
stiff vector
especially first part of gambit, I swear those murloc fucks hitboxes must be the size of an ant or something because if im ever not directly on top of most of them(which isnt even possible half the time with all the fuckin huge pufferfish circles) it feels like my BF is doing less dmg than it should
torpid fiber
first pull Gambit just always feels dogshit for outlaw I think
stiff vector
it totally wont be giga broken 
torpid fiber
I kinda expect that it'll be ass tbh
stuck sparrow
i mean dragons already have infinite mobility
stiff vector
totally wont dominate the meta for 3+ straight seasons like the last time blizzard introduced a new spec to the game
torpid fiber
I think "ranged but you have to go into melee sometimes" is a downside more than an upside
It'll replace havoc but that's bc melee suck not because it's good
stuck sparrow
do you know how many incidents i think im safe
then i see a dumbass dragon
fly across the room
and nuke the raid
stiff vector
I mean it happens even with havoc
now im gonnah ave to deal with havoc, devourer, and dragons inting me? Fuck me sideways
stuck sparrow
idk i see it more with dragons
personally
”i mispressed hover”
famous last words
torpid fiber
you're talking like you've never inted a pull before by greeding a hook too late, smh
torpid fiber
You're a better person than I am then
fathom bramble
I think I've only fucked something up overgreeding a hook in M+
greeding is not a raid activity
torpid fiber
I mostly only do it in M+ as well, yeah
For the same reason
not really a thing to fuck around with in raid
stiff vector
you're talking like you've never inted a pull before by greeding a hook too late...
nah usually just end up killing myself that way
torpid fiber
Also I feel like there's just a lot less things where we get huge hook value from super late greeds in raid that might just be me
stuck sparrow
unless its a pug raid
then i swapblaster someone on cd
in any place with a ledge
torpid fiber
nah usually just end up killing myself that way
Yeah that's fair I just kinda consider that griefing bc m+ and shit
jolly geyser
we got a DK swapblasting people off edges
torpid fiber
I need to learn the last boss arakara hook timing sometime
stuck sparrow
bro this raid is great for it
also you can swapblast on the bridge before soulhunters
jolly geyser
I need to learn the last boss arakara hook timing sometime
when it pulls you in you hook
torpid fiber
when it pulls you in you hook
Yeah but like the exact timing
I keep going too late or too early
fathom bramble
just react to the little bounce it puts on your character
torpid fiber
just react to the little bounce it puts on your character
oh good point ty
fathom bramble
there's enough time with normal reaction time to just react instead of trying to time it imo
torpid fiber
I tried to react but was too late which sucked
stuck sparrow
i feel its easier to greed hook with fb
due to being able to hook a second time insta
torpid fiber
and now we can't even just cheat death it and move on and pretend nothing happened, because it's a huge damage down
stuck sparrow
if your first missed
fathom bramble
does cloak remove it
stiff vector
man you know what I really love
dying to frontals behind a mob
real knee slapper
love it so much
vague cape
I still maintain whoever QA’d the scythe for mythic soul hunters and agreed that the edge of it should be faint without a clear outline is evil
stiff vector
ye got hit by frontal by 1stmini boss in arakara
stuck sparrow
No i never got hit by pylons
vague cape
Gl predicting it bozo
stuck sparrow
i meant the swirlies being purple
vague cape
No i never got hit by pylons
You did
stuck sparrow
on a purple floor
vague cape
The random dmg it puts out on 3 people
stiff vector
pull is absolute cancer for melee, frontal hittingh you behind the mob is just chefs kiss
stuck sparrow
Oh that
vague cape
It can for some reason hit the same person multiple times in like 0.4
vague cape
First time for me is two rekills in
stuck sparrow
my healers love eating those like they protein bars
vague cape
They need to do something about healers and visual space
stuck sparrow
ngl
idk how healers in pvp
have so much more awareness of their surroundings
than pve healers
stiff vector
built diffy
stiff vector
the pvp healers that become pve healers are always gigachads
theyre the besrt kind of healker
vague cape
Pve healers 20 health bars
stuck sparrow
yeah idk there's a reason high end arena healing is the only format of it i dont really meme on
because its stressful as shit
especially if you play a spec that has an active role in the team's aggressive pushes
daring yoke
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
- Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
- KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
- During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
- After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
- Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.
stiff vector
you guys ever do a key where you are legit just getting perma griefed by rng the entire key and want to jump off the nearest cliff
digital gale
you guys ever do a key where you are legit just getting perma griefed by rng the...
yes
stiff vector
ye that was just me in this 15 flood. Felt like I was legit spamming SS for half the key and getting 0 ace procs and dogshit rolls+cto procs for basically 90% of the entire key
actually just the most absymal feeling in the world while playing 1fth and given the specs current tuning, especially on bosses
rotund zodiac
Outlaw need pity rate mechanic like gacha games
3 dry SS in a row? next SS is 100% get you op proc
frail veldt
actually just the most absymal feeling in the world while playing 1fth and given...
It really shouldn't be possible to SS more than 5 times without a proc
It's just so awful
stiff vector
I mean the spec kind of just needs overall smoothening out of variance when there isnt just 1 thing that can effect variance or that has variance, especially when the low roll not only makes the spec do terrible dmg but also makes the spec barely function and feel awful to play
like how can I go literal 2 min+ at time without seeing BS or TB once, not from a roll or from CTO...like ???
normal forge
I feel that, when I have 5+ rtb buffs, I'm on par with other classes. So, we should be at 5+ buffs sooner and more often
dense bridge
maybe needing 5 buffs to reach parity isnt a great thing
normal forge
I don't have statistics. Just feeling. But that's how I see
stiff vector
I mean even with 5+ buffs you arent competitive with any real spec, you need 5 buffs+correct comp+good ace RNG+not getting griefed by some cringe mechanics that force you to just hit nothing for 5 seconds. And thats just to have any chance of competing with a real spec, at least on bosses, and even then youre still probably going to be the 3rd DPS on boss dmg.
frail veldt
I mean even with 5+ buffs you arent competitive with any real spec, you need 5 b...
LFG has been so disappointing im like waiting to hit this wall
not looking forward to it though
Ill just enjoy being on top of the meter while I finish my resil 14s lol I think itll come to an end soon
shy sandal
OUTLAW!!!
cinder haven
Our buffs are just a bit delayed surely 
willow portal
using the rtb wa i still get reminded to use blade flurry on aoe for cp generation besides having unchecked that option and reloaded
why is that?
stiff vector
LFG has been so disappointing im like waiting to hit this wall
thats why im probably gonna start gearing my hunter alt this week. Probably getting fairly close to that wall soon once I have last 2 resil 15s finished, eco/gambit are easy 16 and prob 17 as well but the other keys on 16+ are just going to be cursed trying to LFG half because im just not gonna get invited most of the time and half because I dont tihnk you even time some of the keys on 16 /17 if you arent playing a phys comp. I mean Ive tried a few 16s just having shaman buff or no raid buff and it was shit
frail veldt
I made a brew haha
havent bothered to gear it much yet though
if outlaw really gets completely forgotten this season I might just tank my way throuhg it
cinder haven
Considering that too tbh
stiff vector
ive only played my rogue so far this season, which is unusual since I usually have alts geared, but ye patience is gonna wear out fast once I have like half the keys timed on 16 if the spec doesnt see significant tuning. Just not worth the grief at that point if I dont have a set 5 man phys team to play with.
willow portal
we should close discord and all join feral chat on dreamgrove
cinder haven
They only post cats though
proven ocean
ive only played my rogue so far this season, which is unusual since I usually ha...
Ngl
Sounds like ur new to wow
willow portal
is it a dumb idea to craft mythic gloves with the spark this week?
proven ocean
Because blizzard doesn’t care if a spec is bad for a season
Usually its 0 impact
There are always bad specs
cinder haven
Doesn't seem like they care much that outlaw has had very low number of players for a long time though
Unless rumors of rework are true
frail veldt
There are always bad specs
That's true but I think outlaw can kinda sneak by because usually if outlaw is barely playable for people who are good at it then it's like horrendously underperforming at the average
Like comparing it to my spriest where when it's bad it's like you can't overcome it at all
But since outlaw has a decently high skill ceiling as long as it's tuned to not complete garbage it still can perform
proven ocean
Again
frail veldt
Right now it's kinda on the border of that haha but I think that's rare for outlaw
frail veldt
I'm just saying outlaw feels different than other specs in terms of what you can overcome tuning wise
proven ocean
Doesnt matter why its bad
stiff vector
Sounds like ur new to wow
ye zeros im definitely very new to wow
frail veldt
I think it does because a spec that doesn't have a high skill ceiling can't do much if the tuning around average performance is bad
So the range of performance definitely matters in terms of how much a spec can overcome its tuning
proven ocean
Thats purely irrelevant
frail veldt
How so
proven ocean
Because it can hit the other way around where its totally broken when outlaw is good
frail veldt
I mean obv if you tune it bad enough
proven ocean
Like pre er bug fix s3 df outlaw
frail veldt
Because it can hit the other way around where its totally broken when outlaw is ...
Exactly!
frail veldt
Because they tuned our average to be in line with other specs
proven ocean
frail veldt
Idk I definitely have a biased opinion that specs that are harder should do more damage
proven ocean
Thats giga cooked
frail veldt
Anyway my main point was that usually outlaw can manage to do well if you play it super well
It was harder to overcome shadow priest being bad than it is for me to overcome outlaw being bad
cinder haven
Don't think they tune anything based on average performance
frail veldt
Cuz outlaw can just do so well with player skill
frail veldt
Don't think they tune anything based on average performance
Think they tune for top 0.1%?
proven ocean
Don't think they tune anything based on average performance
Ye they never do
cinder haven
No favors given for high skill cap
frail veldt
I feel like it's usually like the 80th percentile that they tune around
Very rarely do they tune around the top 0.1%
That's for sure
proven ocean
They tune specs based on how high dps they can do in raid
frail veldt
Would be dumb for them to do that
proven ocean
Doesnt matter if ur shit or not
willow portal
please, i really need some help with my craft this week. what slots should i consider crafting? would it make sense to craft a belt to prepare for the belt nerf?
proven ocean
If it does 10% more than anything
Its getting a nerf
Whether ur good at it or not
frail veldt
They tune specs based on how high dps they can do in raid
You think they tune around the peak DPS they see in logs?
proven ocean
What do u expect how is boomkin getting buffs then
frail veldt
If it does 10% more than anything
10% on one parse? Or like for the top 15% of players of he spec or what
cinder haven
95% maybe, but remember that those 5% represent fewer people
cinder haven
It's the same people getting good logs i mean
frail veldt
Boomkin was very low on average and on good logs
So that's not a great example rn
In raid I mean
proven ocean
Do u think outlaw is bad on avg and on good logs then
frail veldt
You can look at 99th percentile and outlaw is still not very high up haha
cinder haven
There's some truth to outlaw having high rolls
willow portal
looking at high parse heroic logs which got some spread of parses its not surprising what blizz touched first
frail veldt
95th and outlaw is still bottom idk
willow portal
also classes with multiple dps specs are not as high of a prio
cinder haven
Except hunter it seems
frail veldt
Making me pull this shit up for you on mobile
proven ocean
Precise cuts is masking outlaw
frail veldt
One sec zeross
willow portal
pog
stiff vector
its kinda hard to compare outlaw to other specs because most of the people(which is a very small sample size compared to how many people are still playing say...Boomkin despite it being "bad", but Boomy also has a far lower skill ceiling/super high skill floor because its giga simple) still playing outlaw right now in any high end content, are not really your "average" player, theyre people playing the spec very well.
proven ocean
ah sorry lets look at the 30 people that killed fractillus on outlaw
Ur talkign to me as if i dont know that
cinder haven
Idk if I wanna try to make sense of their process tbh
fathom bramble
also classes with multiple dps specs are not as high of a prio
I mean you are generally right, but also every buffed spec this week is on a class with more than 1 dps spec
cinder haven
It is what it is
proven ocean
Im literally saying precise cuts is hiding how bad outlaw is
willow portal
I mean you are generally right, but also every buffed spec this week is on a cla...
^^
willow portal
dunno what precise cuts is
frail veldt
Im literally saying precise cuts is hiding how bad outlaw is
even including the fights where we have precise cuts value
proven ocean
even including the fights where we have precise cuts value
Nah
Dont continue with that
frail veldt
why lol
frail veldt
but thats beside the point cuz you said you dont think outlaw is bad in 99th percentile
willow portal
guys you can trust me i am literally the top 43 best player on fractillus
frail veldt
which is objectively not true unless youre tricked by precise cuts in as dumb a way as blizzard is
cinder haven
Hopefully they cook something else in midnight
fathom bramble
the problem is that a fight has to be basically perfect for PC to be genuinely good instead of just pad with the current tuning
stiff vector
Precise cuts is masking outlaw
if the devs are incapable of parsing through data(which wouldnt take very long to do at all) to get an accurate depiction of how bad outlaws tuning actually is, purely because of PC....then the dev team has much bigger problems than just rogue tuning 
frail veldt
I mean on 99th percentile we are behind sub on both forgeweaver and soulbinder
fathom bramble
the DH boss is first time in many years that they have made the kind of fight that PC is actually good for
cinder haven
the problem is that a fight has to be basically perfect for PC to be genuinely g...
I mean we are also low tuned overall
fathom bramble
with the current tuning requiring such a sacrifice
cinder haven
So yeah
fathom bramble
I moreso meant the tuning of individual talents against eachother and their placement
frail veldt
I mean if were honestly defending soulhunters being a justifiable reason for outlaw to be bad then we've really just given up hahahaha
hells wrong with yall
fathom bramble
if there was any credibility to the idea that outlaw should be good on low target coutns to account for our target cap
we should be the single best melee in the game on soul hunters
frail veldt
well we are
cinder haven
Not defending anything
vapid blaze
well the frost dk is pretty close there
cinder haven
Just trying to understand how they think
vapid blaze
and that guy doesnt do tank st and is hardcapped
fathom bramble
idk frost and warr exist
frail veldt
but yeah the main thing I was arguing was that outlaw is both bad on average logs and bad on 99th percentile
so even our high rolls dont help us
vapid blaze
outlaw is just trash
and it got worse by the other trash getting buffed
frail veldt
its only on SUPER PC fights where we show up on meters
fathom bramble
well we don't have as much variance as we use to
frail veldt
and thats in both average AND 99th percentile
fathom bramble
like our variance rn isn't even THAT high
frail veldt
so our "high roll" is doing nothing for us
fathom bramble
our low rolls just mechanically feel like complete shit
frail veldt
also outlaw really isnt as high roll as it was in the past compared to some of the other specs
I think outlaw might be one of the few specs with a larger stdev on the lower end than higher end
proven ocean
the DH boss is first time in many years that they have made the kind of fight th...
Council boss in amirdrassil and vault in df
We had 2 last expansion
willow portal
do i craft belt or gloves?
frail veldt
do i craft belt or gloves?
always use relative dog
proven ocean
Maybe more that im missing
willow portal
always use relative dog
proven ocean
Can’t remember on top of my head
fathom bramble
amirdrassil had a lot of really bad uptime overlaps, but sure maybe
tulip quarry
There are no proper Versa /Crit or Haste belt beside raid BOE, there are gloves in HOA
frail veldt
looking at the min and max I think outlaw is the only one with a larger avg to min than avg to max haha
proven ocean
But
proven ocean
Amirdrassil is equal to dh boss i’d say
Dh boss has a single target intermission
Which is worse imo
frail veldt
oh wait actually it looks like assa deathstalker in ST also has a larger avg to min than avg to max
fathom bramble
my main point was that PC isn't a real niche when it's rarely present in a raid encounter
stiff vector
vault was originally what got PC nerfed
fathom bramble
that's 3 single fights in the last 6 raids if we count your 2 examples still
vapid blaze
we need that again
frail veldt
my main point was that PC isn't a real niche when it's rarely present in a raid ...
well thats kinda the definition unfortunately
of a niche haha
vapid blaze
so outlaw can be decent
frail veldt
a niche requires some level of rarity hahahah
vapid blaze
well thats kinda the definition unfortunately
idk spread target nieche
fathom bramble
of a niche haha
I mean other dps 'niches' are present all the time
frail veldt
if a niche was common it wouldnt be a niche
vapid blaze
always is good
fathom bramble
spread target, burst, execute
frail veldt
I mean other dps 'niches' are present all the time
those arent niches then
stiff vector
its kinda hilarious that we actually got nerfed because the spec was good on low targ cleave in Vault
frail veldt
those are just main aspects to the game at that point
wintry solar
It's not rarity, it's specific situations
vapid blaze
and its good
s3 outlaw was so good
frail veldt
liek I wouldnt call having strong ST a niche haha thats just being good
proven ocean
my main point was that PC isn't a real niche when it's rarely present in a raid ...
Its used for most boss fights rn for padding
stiff vector
even tho its extremely rare that low target cleave is actually a useful dmg profile for more than 1 single boss
proven ocean
Idk what u mean by that loktark
frail veldt
PC is a totally fair and valid niche though
vapid blaze
having top tier st dps with free cleave is so much better damage profile wise
frail veldt
but I think we are overtuned for our niche and undertuned outside of it
and that kinda sucks imo
vapid blaze
than having 0 st with only low target count hardcapped aoe
tulip quarry
PC is a totally fair and valid niche though
PC should be baseline, as low target cleave was supposed to be Outlaw job :/
fathom bramble
Its used for most boss fights rn for padding
I thought I was clear that PC for padding isn't real
frail veldt
I think we'd probably all agree that nerfing PC and buffing the rest of outlaw would probably be welcomed
vapid blaze
i dont think outlaw is overtuned on pc nieche
fathom bramble
it's a massive downside to have such an easy way to pad to be honest
since it is tanking our tuning
frail veldt
I would happily drop 15% on soulhunters to gain 5% overall damage
across the whole raid
cinder haven
Ye
vapid blaze
there are alot of other specs that do the same in our "nieche"
while actually beeing real specs
stiff vector
how could we be overtuned in low targ cleave( a rarely ever useful niche, and one that we take a like 10% ST loss in order to have) when we arent even the best spec on Soul Hunters
frail veldt
there are alot of other specs that do the same in our "nieche"
eh outlaw fucking cranks on soulhunters tbh