truuuu
#outlaw
frail veldt
proven ocean
so like if sub/assa are weak in M+
frail veldt
it brings the weirdos out from their hiding holes
proven ocean
community here doesn't really spark up
gloomy coral
Its mentally draining coming from having relatively normal subjects and topics in other channels, to then be dropped in here and its constantly "blizz bad", "lmao devs" and "you havent played outlaw enough or have high enough rio to have an opinion"
glass mortar
ok that last one is literally only ever ross tho
who else has ever io checked someone mid argument
i cant think of any yellow names
gloomy coral
Others have been outlaw checked
inland cairn
it does feel like this has beeing going for a solid 24 hours now 
gloomy coral
shell fossil
my dev evoker got the raid boots, i'm gonna be busy later
glass mortar
name and shame them we laugh at people who io check in here š
muted crest
I always considered outlaw the must go m+ spec as a rog
cinder relic
I'm not raging?
frail veldt
yeah honestly I dont know that many people that io check
vivid vessel
Its mentally draining coming from having relatively normal subjects and topics i...
maybe it helps that the other 2 specs are always fine while outlaw is perma unplayable tbf
frail veldt
thats mostly a ross thing and its usually directed at me lolol
proven ocean
thats mostly a ross thing and its usually directed at me lolol
ur just perma trolling
frail veldt
see
glass mortar
ross u have literally io checked the person ur arguing with in practically every argument ive ever seen u have
proven ocean
besides i never io check unless its a giga high key thing
vivid vessel
ross u have literally io checked the person ur arguing with in practically every...
banger
daring oxide
Its mentally draining coming from having relatively normal subjects and topics i...
Ye I know I get that but I was just genuinely curious about learning the proper process, maybe I got too hopeful
frail veldt
I think the thing that sets people off the most is when the changes are just so close to being good and the community is super prompt with feedback during design phases and that feedback almost always goes entirely ignored
proven ocean
i discuss with zac about the highest key things all the time
glass mortar
ud io check me if we were arguing about good movies i s2g
proven ocean
then someone tries to get involved and ragebaits
fluid iron
ross u have literally io checked the person ur arguing with in practically every...
TBF towards zeross the last time that happened the person did it to him first, calling him a 3k andy
glass mortar
"you dont understand how good solo leveling is, you havent even timed a 18"
fluid iron
so that one was valid
stiff vector
color me shocked the discord is crashing out when the spec gets 0 tuning when it blatantly needs tuning arguably more than any other spec in the game. Tf you expect it to be sunshine and rainbows when this has been a consistent theme this entire xpac?
frail veldt
TBF towards zeross the last time that happened the person did it to him first, c...
nah he did it to me like 2 days ago
when I said rogue isnt squishy
fluid iron
shit
glass mortar
TBF towards zeross the last time that happened the person did it to him first, c...
idk where that was i only ever look at outlaw
cinder relic
color me shocked the discord is crashing out when the spec gets 0 tuning when it...
This discord is like this even when the spec is good 
fluid iron
welp on your own zeross gl
glass mortar
but i could see it
proven ocean
nah he did it to me like 2 days ago
nah mewo u were genuinely cringe
frail veldt
and he said every single spec is tankier than assa
proven ocean
in high m+ thats true
glass mortar
idk people were pretty happy in s3 df
we were all so optimistic for the future changes of our new stuff
vivid vessel
This discord is like this even when the spec is good <:OMEGALUL:5881870120672296...
outlaw been good in s2 and we had to kill ourselves in cd with killing spree
worldly sinew
io check me father. I'm trying my bestest.
glass mortar
s2 people were certainly complaining while outlaw was good
frail veldt
This discord is like this even when the spec is good <:OMEGALUL:5881870120672296...
nah thats def untrue haha
we were pretty stoked in S3 DF
and even S4
vivid vessel
in s3 df the spec was so riddled with bugs it was legit unplayable + thats not even true
glass mortar
they were complaining because of fuckin killing spree tho
proven ocean
im convinced assa is the squishiest spec in high m+ atm
vivid vessel
you are just capping rn
frail veldt
TWW was the start of the dooming
glass mortar
which is pretty valid
frail veldt
when we lost acro
losing acro and haste tax flipped a switch in the discord lol
it broke some people
glass mortar
idk we yap in here like 1000000 lines a day and maybe 10% of it is negative and angry at blizzard and guy is only ever in here when thats happening
frail veldt
like zac
daring oxide
This discord is in extra fast mode today
gilded tinsel
lock it down
frail veldt
its a saturday!
gloomy coral
This discord is in extra fast mode today
Is that a hint? 
daring oxide
I didnāt finish my sentence hehe
cedar kernel
i just need to use translator sometimes to read the sentence in case of catching up
inland cairn
This discord is in extra fast mode today
its hard to keep with all the content while im playing
glass mortar
discord has a slow mode, but what about fast mode?
daring oxide
I was gonna say Iām having trouble keeping up maybe we need a gentle slow mode to calm peopleās minds
glass mortar
wheres my discord mode where you need to type a line every X seconds or u get timed out
š
frail veldt
discord has a slow mode, but what about fast mode?
like you have to press enter within 2 seconds of starting typing or your message gets deleted?
daring oxide
So us outlaws have like
frail veldt
zeross mode?
glass mortar
true!
you have 3 seconds to type a message
only those high level typeracers allowed to have real conversations
frail veldt
truuu
muted crest
Tuning news hit hard today
daring oxide
I type a lot with speech to text now
frail veldt
oh interesting
daring oxide
I use superwhisper
frail veldt
is that a desktop app?
frail veldt
interesting
frail veldt
whenever It ry to use speech to text I like cant form my thoughts
I speak so differently from how I type
in terms of word choice
runic gulch
s2 people were certainly complaining while outlaw was good
Because double coup got patched out and we soon after found out our one source of aoe was trying to hit dead targets
frail veldt
yeah I have no issues speaking out loud
but its like different word selection
if that makes sense
daring oxide
When I write I struggle to put down my requirements or thoughts
cinder relic
idk we yap in here like 1000000 lines a day and maybe 10% of it is negative and ...
I'm always lurking
Just because I'm not talking doesn't mean I'm not here
frail veldt
I'm always lurking
yeah but your trap card only triggers at certain times
gloomy coral
its like my spider sense whenever quake is horny posting
Perma tingling
frail veldt
when were goofin and sharing damage meter bragging and enjoying fatebound ST rotation guy is nowhere to be seen
daring oxide
Ya ngl sometimes when I type I think hard about what to say so I donāt have Foreverguy pouncing onto me from the shadows
daring oxide
If I ever get caught out saying something daft
gloomy coral
Being worried about guy, when its "Silent Stealthi" you should be worried about 
daring oxide
I know Iāll have green text on my ass
frail veldt
then one person goes "ugh I died and my adr is on 3 min cd so annoying" then were ALWAYS NEGATIVE
glass mortar
nah koffing and stealthi do just show up once in a blue moon to yap
its when whispyr starts typing in here
jolly geyser
Ya ngl sometimes when I type I think hard about what to say so I donāt have Fore...
wish Guy pounced on me
frail veldt
I still cant believe youre a deathstalkers mark sympathizer guy
glass mortar
that im 
frail veldt
smh my head
daring oxide
Koffing comes in here with a fire extinguisher honestly
proven ocean
its when whispyr starts typing in here
i like whispyr
frail veldt
me too
glass mortar
oh i like him
fluid iron
nah koffing and stealthi do just show up once in a blue moon to yap
oh trust me im here alot more than you think
cedar kernel
its like my spider sense whenever quake is horny posting
wait quake lord do horny posting
frail veldt
umm
cedar kernel
when where
daring oxide
I always see Koffing when this discord is literally on flames
frail veldt
maybe a bad idea
proven ocean
great gamer and a good TC
frail veldt
but whos gona do a green name tier list
glass mortar
ive only seen him post in here when someones getting old yellered tho
frail veldt
lolol
cinder relic
I still cant believe youre a deathstalkers mark sympathizer guy
I think it genuinely makes sin a fun spec
junior coral
Damn so having phys group buffs and not is like a 20% difference huh ā¦
daring oxide
but whos gona do a green name tier list
Can we add Zac to it, put him in the āFallenā tier
proven ocean
im starting to think guy might be a dev
frail veldt
Can we add Zac to it, put him in the āFallenā tier
yes F for fallen
cinder relic
The only issue with dm is when it bugs out, which I genuinely don't have happen in the keys that I play. And then bosses like soulhunters which is like, just a nightmare to manage properly
But deathstalker st is so fun
frail veldt
The only issue with dm is when it bugs out, which I genuinely don't have happen ...
so you like that you get punished for getting knocked out of stealth from a dot and not being able to get your mark for a whole boss fight?
proven ocean
whats dm?
frail veldt
thats like good design?
craggy barn
ds mark is fine, just annoying that u can just completely lose it (rarely and with bad planning)
frail veldt
the question isnt how fine it is its whether it would be objectively better if it didnt have that restriction
daring oxide
Being worried about guy, when its "Silent Stealthi" you should be worried about ...
Thatās only Zacās concern, stealthi loves to tease him
proven ocean
The only issue with dm is when it bugs out, which I genuinely don't have happen ...
dm bug doesn't happen in keys much ye its very rare, it used to happen to me once every 5-10 keys but if it happens on a really really hard big pull its a definite deplete if i dont have vanish
frail veldt
I still dont see an argument on what value it adds to being that restrictive personally
it leads to more "feelsbad" than "feelsgood"
cinder relic
It should probably proc on ambush too
proven ocean
ye but
frail veldt
for sure
frail veldt
well that would be a build issue
cinder relic
Well too bad. In the same way trickster requires ks, maybe deathstalker requires the ambush talents. I don't think that's inherently a bad thing
daring oxide
Or what if it just procs on envenom if the buff isnāt up?
Wouldnāt that be simpler?
frail veldt
Well too bad. In the same way trickster requires ks, maybe deathstalker requires...
yeah thatd be fine if there was some added extra value not just a badluck protection for running ambush
cuz then youre just taking ambush as insurance which is kind of not a great feeling
agile orchid
Damn the outlaw channel is quite active
daring oxide
Like I never understood why mark just doesnāt apply to the target via envenom
proven ocean
or
craggy barn
ds being dead for sub is funny
frail veldt
ds being dead for sub is funny
yeah what happened?
is it not better even in ST now?
double coup too op?
agile orchid
yeah what happened?
They nerfed it and made sure nobody plays it
proven ocean
i wanna see wemo's house in midnight
gonna be interesting to see how a tenis player's house looks like
craggy barn
u also lose out on sectec cd
frail veldt
youre invited to my house warming
frail veldt
gonna be interesting to see how a tenis player's house looks like
lol im not a tennis player
frail veldt
noice
red zinc
frail veldt
HAHAHAHA
cedar kernel
Like I never understood why mark just doesnāt apply to the target via envenom
bc we got removed
cinder relic
<@96834520417828864> did u go to gamescom?
Nah but I might go to blizzxon
red zinc
he did it as MM in fairness
frail veldt
Nah but I might go to blizzxon
oh are they doing it again
proven ocean
Nah but I might go to blizzxon
theres blizzcon?
daring oxide
They are doing BlizzCon ?
frail veldt
I thought it was the last one
proven ocean
what
daring oxide
Ya same too
proven ocean
wait
daring oxide
I thought they were stopping BlizzCon forever
proven ocean
did guy just randomly leak
that there's a blizzcon
real dev confirmed?
LOLOL?
@frail veldt thoughts
daring oxide
Guy explain yourself
daring oxide
BlizzCon news leaks
mighty pivot
leaked blizzcon with outlaw rework preview
cedar kernel
guy is devs fr
frail veldt
<@151872253229924352> thoughts
holy
cedar kernel
frail veldt
confirmed
cinder relic
Didn't they already confirm blizzcon
proven ocean
no
u just did
dev guy
L guy try again next time
@frail veldt forever guy confirmed dev
cinder relic
cedar kernel
oh
daring oxide
Ohhh thatās so far away
jolly geyser
we know that for awhile
craggy barn
if guy was a dev hed legally have to tell us
daring oxide
Tots missed that news
Thatās good though
I hope they announce HOTS2
My favourite moba
mighty pivot
warcraft 4 time
frail veldt
I do remember them saying the last one was going to be the end though
but maybe it was just for one year
cedar kernel
brothers how do i get the visa to NA
proven ocean
blizzcon events = bigger fanbase
frail veldt
blizz's other franchises seem to be dwindling
mighty pivot
Cats
gaunt phoenix
look at that dawg
frail veldt
thats a weird shaped dog
cinder relic
blizz's other franchises seem to be dwindling
Not really lol. Diablo is still huge, Overwatch is as big as it's always been, hearthstone is still doing surprisingly well
I think D4 is still one of the most played games on steam deck
And that's just stats on steam
jolly geyser
forgot ow was on steam
vapid sundial
You excited for new d4 season @cinder relic
cinder relic
Yerrrr
vapid sundial
And best game mode gets yodTe
proven ocean
or u dont know
proven ocean
whats hell compass
cinder relic
what are they planning
Every(or some idk) uniques can roll on alternate slots
So you can get like, banish lord talisman on boots
gaunt phoenix
but poe2 reddit said d4 bad?
vapid sundial
Some uniques can roll in left side slot (armor not jewelery) and have increased effects
proven ocean
insane
cinder relic
Idk if it's all or some but yeah
vapid sundial
It's some
cinder relic
but poe2 reddit said d4 bad?
PoE 0.3/10 
proven ocean
i wont play it tho until like
daring oxide
Not really lol. Diablo is still huge, Overwatch is as big as it's always been, h...
Have you played stadium? Itās insanely good
proven ocean
after 1 month of its release
or 2
vapid sundial
I hate playing mid bc market is ass then
cinder relic
Have you played stadium? Itās insanely good
I played it a bit, it feels too much like temu deadlock and I'm addicted to deadlock
vapid sundial
Bc dupes
gusty path
!gear
ornate heathBOT
cinder relic
Overwatch 2 also upsets me because people I feel make no attempt to win. It's like, phara mercy echo vs junkrat Mei like I can't do anything on support to mind control them into switching
vapid sundial
For example, these armor pieces you can get on chest, hands, head, feet pants
proven ocean
Compass is the wave based thing
infernal hordes
cinder relic
If I'm playing a PvP queue it up type game rn, it's deadlock
proven ocean
ah
cinder relic
Best game of all time
jolly geyser
Best game of all time
dont jinx
vapid sundial
Probably a rapid fire season for rogue
gaunt phoenix
i'm honestly not sure d4 needs more gear complexity shit
vapid sundial
It's gear isn't complex at all tho
proven ocean
i'm honestly not sure d4 needs more gear complexity shit
personally i think d4 needs fun builds
that are just omega fast
and fluid
vapid sundial
wtf yoda brought us back down to c
gaunt phoenix
I mean like when you get an item you have to do 47 things to make it worth using
proven ocean
thats what makes d4 fun to me
cinder relic
D4 just needs an expac at this point to do another overhaul of some systems. Talent tree, paragon board
lone crow
wtf yoda brought us back down to c
sub/assa b tier is mental
proven ocean
D4 just needs an expac at this point to do another overhaul of some systems. Tal...
true
proven ocean
sub/assa b tier is mental
its not tho
lone crow
it is
cinder relic
I still enjoy the game for what it is. It's fun to grind for a few weeks on a fun build
lone crow
i would dip rogue asap, have beeen doing it past few seasons too
sub assa are strong this season
proven ocean
sub assa isn't strong from what i see so '
we'llsee
im sure it wont make it to mdi
if thats what u think
lone crow
xd
proven ocean
B tier = no keys in mdi
fallow sonnet
What are the general rules on how many combo points you should build before sending finishers? I usually send it at 6 because i dont want to waste, is that right? does it vary by trickster/fatebound for any reason?
gaunt phoenix
you generally spend at 6 but at 5 in stealth
lone crow
are u trolling rn
frail veldt
D4 just needs an expac at this point to do another overhaul of some systems. Tal...
yeah weird enough I liked the actual story of D4 more than the endgame
vivid vessel
sub/assa b tier is mental
wdym
frail veldt
which was very much the opposite for D3 for me
proven ocean
entire dmg based on 1.5 min and has to blackpowder otherwise ur losing a shit ton of dmg
vivid vessel
yo umean its A or what
lone crow
yes
proven ocean
theres no way sub rogue is A tier
proven ocean
vivid vessel
agreed
fallow sonnet
is it still the case i should avoid using ambush and only use sinister strike with KIR build? and this is the same between trickster/aoe and FB/st?
frail veldt
well zeross you might want to explain what else you think is in A tier
vivid vessel
ross is just a bit delusional but on god if outlaw would be as good as sub or assa rn it would be the best outlaw season in a whjile
jolly geyser
nobody watches or gives a shit about mdi thou
frail veldt
ross is just a bit delusional but on god if outlaw would be as good as sub or as...
truuuuu
vapid sundial
nobody watches or gives a shit about mdi thou
Real
frail veldt
non suicide KS + being B+ tier would be great
gaunt phoenix
is it still the case i should avoid using ambush and only use sinister strike wi...
yes, no ambush. and yes, generally the same.
fatebound can technically finish at 5 always, cuz coins are fired at 5, and dont scale with cps
proven ocean
well zeross you might want to explain what else you think is in A tier
ele, assa, destro, fury warrior, both hunter specs moved to S tier and A tier, feral to A tier \
sub B tier
vapid sundial
Are all three hunter specs good or something
vivid vessel
ass almost made it aswell but he didnt cause bug
gaunt phoenix
"generally" you can flex it a bit, like if im at 6cp about to vanish, i might sneak an extra SS if i dont have opp
cedar kernel
survival is not good compare to warrior and feral
even sub
in dmg
since the melee place is tough rn
lone crow
look i just didnt go far enough in the vid
there is no way assa is not s tier the second shit is fixed
hardy thicket
look i just didnt go far enough in the vid
Why are there only 2 dps specs in S here
Wtf
proven ocean
theres no way prot/vdh are S tier
cedar kernel
it seems like prot pala can give team8 more comfortable in interrupt? or pugs u know people always inter randomly
cedar kernel
proven ocean
it seems like prot pala can give team8 more comfortable in interrupt? or pugs u ...
who cares about 1 kick when prot warr has aoe silence thats longer than vdh sigils
hardy thicket
Havoc easily S tier going by other S tier dps tho
cedar kernel
but yea i think prot pala has a little bit bad at survival
proven ocean
i think sub is worse than it looks in m+ imo
cedar kernel
or tanky
vivid vessel
i think sub is worse than it looks in m+ imo
idk lol
but if outlaw was tuned even clopse to sub
hasty warren
proven ocean
sub players are the biggest copers in history interms of its powers
vivid vessel
i think you just are deluysional a bit
lone crow
sub rogue is really strong rn
lone crow
idk why u dont see it
vivid vessel
thats not true
vivid vessel
it got nerfed before going to live
vivid vessel
and it was already not as good
proven ocean
it was strong on live
vivid vessel
as on ptr
proven ocean
??
lone crow
rogue in general was bad last season until they fixed outlaw
vivid vessel
not the same as current season no
lone crow
no one believed in sub besides of 2 ppl maybe
proven ocean
i pushed all my keys as sub
lone crow
yes
vapid sundial
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1110305168328765440/...
I remember this post on guys twt lol
hasty warren
I remember this post on guys twt lol
peak
frail veldt
look i just didnt go far enough in the vid
crazy that 4 tanks are in S tier
vapid sundial
That's a vibe
proven ocean
i was topping my meters
vapid sundial
Tbh
proven ocean
i started doing -20% dps
like
sub falls off really quick when ppl get gear
its just because it does alot based on trinkets
we'll see @lone crow
i'll remind you
hardy thicket
You know what falls off really Quick when people get gear?
vapid sundial
its just because it does alot based on trinkets
This is a general rogue problem
lone crow
sure go ahead
lone crow
but u will see that when assa is fixed its s tier
vivid vessel
no do tell me
proven ocean
because i had this argument last season
hardy thicket
OUTLAW!!!!
proven ocean
but u will see that when assa is fixed its s tier
we know it'll be S tier if its fixed lol
what
vivid vessel
vapid sundial
hasty warren
cedar kernel
outlaw become a meme this season
proven ocean
all i said about assa is that therres no way it gets fixed because it'll be giga broken
manic light
supsup, I have the RTB WA should I use RTB whenever I am in a vanish window even if I dont have any buffs/wa screams at me to use it?
proven ocean
@lone crow besides
cedar kernel
lone crow
yes
proven ocean
?
lone crow
exactly
vivid vessel
even when rogue is good only casual plays it
proven ocean
its not good enough to be played
vivid vessel
if even
lone crow
wdym
vivid vessel
sub is the easiest spec
not a single sub player ever stepped foots in m+
proven ocean
meta comp has 0 rogue
vivid vessel
idk what you mean
lone crow
yarrgis rogue has 610 ilvl sitting in the basement
prisma vessel
bro, thats hilarious!
vapid sundial
not a single sub player ever stepped foots in m+
You mean not a single sub rogue has taken a shower.
proven ocean
ur gonna convince me kira is gonna play with rogue later on?
vivid vessel
no
proven ocean
ur gonna convince me kira is gonna play with rogue later on?
on real push weeks
lone crow
because kiras group really has a good read on whats meta and whats not right
vivid vessel
and being slgihtly worse
lone crow
historically speaking
vivid vessel
than s+ tier
proven ocean
but there is a difference
feral havoc and fury are better than sub atm
vivid vessel
i wish outlaw was that aswell kekw
proven ocean
what
vivid vessel
ok whats better tho
vapid sundial
lone crow
zac is right
vivid vessel
dk hunter
proven ocean
best 5 specs are bm mm frost dk, arcane mage, feral, havoc, fury warrior etc
list goes on
vivid vessel
mage maybe (it wont do higher overall tho)
cedar kernel
let us imagine what buff give to outlaw will make us do BM dmg
lone crow
its legit very strong rn
proven ocean
mage maybe (it wont do higher overall tho)
who cares about overall
everyone knows overall is fake
lol
vivid vessel
idk what you are talking about
lone crow
it literally does what outlaw used to be but so much better nowadays
vapid sundial
fury warrior is prolly not better
Fury gives phys buff and the Stam Dr
proven ocean
these
vapid sundial
So Idk
vivid vessel
and u said top 5
well i disagree witrh havoc and feral
so thats top 5
get owned noob
brazen coyote
cedar kernel
u lost
rain estuary
cedar kernel
its been too long u send it
vivid vessel
brazen coyote
oh i just received it from my friend
vapid sundial
cedar kernel
ectum become a super star rn
vapid sundial
ectum become a super star rn
Bro egod an outlaw from a 12 and is now a meme
Poor guy
lone crow
proven ocean
top 5 spec gg
ur not looking at the numbers
buoyant cosmos
Deserved because French
umbral verge
top 5 spec gg
nerfs inc
vivid vessel
ur not looking at the numbers
what should i be looking at tho
legit no one logs key aswell
proven ocean
top 5 spec gg
zac ngl ur acting like whenever u link the statistics on wowlogs front page and ur not looking at numbers and u get mad why outlaw isn't getting buffed
cedar kernel
Bro egod an outlaw from a 12 and is now a meme
dm him to let him see us doing
vivid vessel
so like
gaunt phoenix
guys im addicted to sleight i think
vivid vessel
what number am i looking at tho
cedar kernel
got mentioned everytime
proven ocean
not having a valid argument
proven ocean
look at the dps
cinder haven
guys im addicted to sleight i think
You and me both
cedar kernel
guys im addicted to sleight i think
new rules?
proven ocean
havoc is topping the meters while having 20% of its dmg to funnel
buoyant cosmos
guys im addicted to sleight i think
Rules when
vapid sundial
proven ocean
so zac
explain to me
why would a class that can do its dmg in 15 sec window
do less overall than havoc
and way less funnel
would be better than havoc
vivid vessel
who says that sub does less overall tho
proven ocean
and whenever u play sub and blackpowder
vivid vessel
im like 100% certain you are doing more overall as sub than havoc
proven ocean
u automatically lose funnel
vivid vessel
in most keys
proven ocean
and when u evisc
vivid vessel
100% certain
proven ocean
u lose alot of overall dmg
red zinc
and way less funnel
dude have you seen suhgon play
random stirrup
even if you're bping you barely lose any prio
red zinc
that guy is cracked
lone crow
but its not true
proven ocean
lets find out
vapid sundial
vapid sundial
In bed watching outlaw to crazy rn
cedar kernel
tulip quarry
vapid sundial
Ok, we are not buffed because of you <@352916297262301194>
Wait one sec
lone crow
but 2 ppl doing z dps
proven ocean
xddddddddd
vapid sundial
proven ocean
but 2 ppl doing z dps
?
proven ocean
idk if ur trolling or not
vapid sundial
HAHAHHA
vivid vessel
I cant find any other key on the tube
vivid vessel
its jsut dawn and street
lone crow
no ure just not reading it well
vapid sundial
Btw @tulip quarry can you link me the post I want to reply.
cedar kernel
i could reply too
proven ocean
no ure just not reading it well
xd
lone crow
idk zeross
vivid vessel
this guy playing with 2 guys afk so idk
cedar kernel
i think this seasons main style is main prio dmg
vivid vessel
and its a 17
proven ocean
this guy playing with 2 guys afk so idk
?
vivid vessel
and he is still doing less overall
proven ocean
in dawn if things die
vivid vessel
so idk
proven ocean
u do higher overall
vivid vessel
my point still stand
vivid vessel
we both nkow how the game works ross
copper radish
what is this DH cant sim dugeon slice on raidbots lolol
vivid vessel
you well know that in some situation you do keys with noobs you steal all the damage
proven ocean
dawn if the miniboss pack dies fast
vivid vessel
we both know that
proven ocean
u end up doing higher overall
vivid vessel
its the same here
proven ocean
not the other way around
vivid vessel
he will steal all the pad
proven ocean
casual's grp
did less dps
than him
so idk about that
wouldn't; call them bots
they were 4k last season
so
calling them zdps is abit weird
proven ocean
zac
proven ocean
ret pal is the worst dmg stealer
vivid vessel
OM
languid coral
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
proven ocean
ret is so bad
they steal dmg al lthe time
if anything i think shadarek's grp is alot worse lol
for dealing overall dmg
ret is pure pad
we both know that
proven ocean
and their overall dmg
is higher than casual's grp u linked
so
i promise u
you wont do good overall with a ret
its impossible
that class is so dogshit in m+
i think ur underestimating havoc alot
vivid vessel
i think ur underestimating havoc alot
ok but even if havoc is better
lone crow
its just ure overestimating it
vivid vessel
that still put sub top 6 dps
like sub is good
idk why you are acting like its dogshit
i wish outlaw was top 6 dps bro
proven ocean
its just ure overestimating it
havoc funnels 20% of its dmg and does higher overall dmg and doesnt rely on cds to do good dmg like sub is
if u pull a pack
lone crow
sub is the strongest its been for season in m+
vivid vessel
it would be insane
lone crow
outside of cds
cedar kernel
i betrayed
proven ocean
outside of cds
thats hyper cope
lone crow
wrong
lone crow
i can see it in keys
lone crow
whatever ure ragebaiting or something
proven ocean
?
nah
im not
i played with monksea
alot of sub keys
hes 4k i think he understands grp dmg very well
not just me
lone crow
xdd
proven ocean
we couldn't kill packs because sub is just isn't on cds
and its the same as in sims
ur just gaslighting if u think sub isn't the worst out of cd spec in the game
thats just straight up wrong
theres not a single spec thats worse rn
lone crow
ure just always so extreme in everything u talk about its insanity
its by far not the worse spec out of cds
proven ocean
name 1
lone crow
ah w/e
proven ocean
?
proven ocean
its by far not the worse spec out of cds
ur just stating things without providing proof
sub rotation is the same in st and aoe
just bp/evisc diff
proven ocean
give me 1 chart
lone crow
but ill stop
proven ocean
thats worse than this
proven ocean
its by far not the worse spec out of cds
ur saying its not the worst spec out of cds but yet u provide 0 proof
on whats worse
lone crow
arcane mage
proven ocean
and u keep on saying that im clueless and im not playing the game
proven ocean
lets find out
lone crow
its just pointless
because ure only playing rogue
u dont kn ow what it means having literally 0 dmg outside of cds
strong halo
@proven ocean you still pushing? Havenāt seen your stream lately
vivid vessel
<@1172550924519080006> you still pushing? Havenāt seen your stream lately
he is retired
proven ocean
sub is alot lower
lone crow
for the love of god
stop postring
st charts
or any charts
pls
its so bad to prove a point
watch what happens ingame
strong halo
Yeah let me base my opinions on vibes
agile orchid
Check unholy dk
vivid vessel
no itys 8pm bac
proven ocean
watch what happens ingame
u keep on telling me to play the game when i played more sub keys than you
vivid vessel
cedar kernel
oh no
proven ocean
no offense anythng
lone crow
then its crazy u say that what can i say
vivid vessel
lone crow
and ye ofc u do more keys we barely started doing some keys because our healer was busy with raiding 24/7
we always start later because of that
proven ocean
then its crazy u say that what can i say
proven ocean
and ye ofc u do more keys we barely started doing some keys because our healer w...
ye i tested sub more than you and u keep on attacking me with play keys and see for urself
lone crow
im not attacking u
dawn tundra
Hey, question. I don't see any item enchants for the Outlaw section. Are they needed for Outlaw?
lone crow
i just say ure wrong
vivid vessel
lone crow
u mean the class with crazy burst spikes more in cds than outside of cds?
lone crow
okay u proved my time
cedar kernel
(as sub)
proven ocean
u mean the class with crazy burst spikes more in cds than outside of cds?
thats exactly what im saying? LOOOOOOL
cedar kernel
strong halo
if you want any sub advices
Why do I suck at sub?
agile orchid
if you want any sub advices
How do you deal with the fps spikes in p2
proven ocean
crazy how zac's graph
vivid vessel
Why do I suck at sub?
you are bad
proven ocean
is a straight line
vivid vessel
at the game
proven ocean
š
strong halo
True
proven ocean
and mine isnt
my log is a literal mount everst and zac's outlaw log is the calmest ocean in the world @lone crow
strong halo
In theory if you do cooldowns correctly you get 2 Secret techniques per cd window no?
lone crow
thats how cd spec works
proven ocean
ye but sub is literally more intensive
lone crow
only thing im saying is
proven ocean
sub can do 5-8m in aoe
i know that
but
in cds
u do 40m
out of cds
u do 1/4 of that
agile orchid
Do you consider dance windows cds?
vivid vessel
u do 1/4 of that
still more than outlaw
lone crow
real
proven ocean
i mean thats what im saying
it has inbalances
in its dmg
idk why u keep saying im wrong
desert tendon
you re wrong
vivid vessel
imagine doing outlaw damage while out of cds 
glass mortar
Isn't havoc a sustain spec that just spikes high in lust
desert tendon
weran as well
random stirrup
well you're going to do absolutely 0 dmg outside of any cds at all but you have dance windows fairly often
glass mortar
Thought u were like perma meta now a day
proven ocean
well you're going to do absolutely 0 dmg outside of any cds at all but you have ...
@lone crow crazy how another sub guy showed up
glass mortar
And funnel God of course
proven ocean
saying the same thing
vivid vessel
<@194111690835623937> crazy how another sub guy showed up
he kinda contradicted you tho
proven ocean
@random stirrup i told anythng that sub is a giga burst spec
proven ocean
and hes saying thats wrong
lone crow
lol ye
vivid vessel
which i dont think anyone said the opposite
lone crow
exactly
random stirrup
arcane will do more baseline outside anything because they only get their one miniburst in totm
proven ocean
but this is 100% a misunderstanding or you not testing enough sub keys
random stirrup
but like sub can do a lot of damage without big cds on a pack with 2x dance
lone crow
nah dont do this now
proven ocean
arcane will do more baseline outside anything because they only get their one mi...
everything
is more baseline
than sub
not just arcane
cinder haven
1 million messages later
proven ocean
nah dont do this now
nah arcane has higher baseline
cinder haven
Did i miss anything important?
glass mortar
Do u ever actually have a full dungeon pull with no dance as sub
lone crow
are u actually that mental or what
proven ocean
cba
glass mortar
Isn't it's cd decently short
random stirrup
Do u ever actually have a full dungeon pull with no dance as sub
nah
lone crow
small burn is so much fking weaker than any dance u can send
cinder haven
I'll have chatgpt summarize the discussion
glass mortar
Yea I figured
lone crow
dont cut off the left
strong halo
I kinda like the mini game of just sending dance mini cds until big CDs
lone crow
dont cut off the left
lone crow
its not first pull
proven ocean
ah true left side isn't 1st pull
its the last pack of the dungeon
i see
im done anythng
u can clearly see
that arcane has higher baseline
lone crow
ye because it doesnt