outlaw

[frank finch]

yea ill get chatgpt on that later

[daring oxide]

no need

use your own imagination!

[jolly geyser]

all dmg dealt in vanish will be sent to target

[lethal oak]

Vanish gains one extra charge

[glass mortar]

i mean the resets is overkill and the adr dps talent is funny

i like the loaded dice cook

0.8s is also probably too short for kspree

it should be like 2 gcds exactly or something

[covert kestrel]

Are apex talents tied to hero talents

[frank finch]

no

[daring oxide]

maybe 2gcds i agree, I massively increased the damage of it though so its not worth cancelling

[daring oxide]

Spec Tree

[cinder haven]

1% of all BF damage reflected back to main target

[covert kestrel]

OK sick, S3 DF + last tier combo

[timid portal]

@gaunt phoenix what do u drop in talent tree for soh?

[daring oxide]

make that 10%

[daring oxide]

Ok I've got a new idea thank you

[cinder haven]

Whatever, some reasonable%

[daring oxide]

might be too OP lol

actually

cos if that was the case

[cinder haven]

It's basically assa?

[daring oxide]

7 other targets would mean we'd be dealing 7 instances of 10% damage back

so probably too absurd

maybe your 1% is good

or 2%

at most

[cinder haven]

Yeah something like that

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid, fatebound removes heavy hitter, and trickster removes deft/swift slasher

in keys, you remove thief's versatility, but this is experimental

[cinder haven]

1% on 8t is 35% extra on main if BF is 50% or do I suck at math?

[jolly geyser]

blade rush has 2 charges,left and right charge? applies something

[hasty warren]

isn't deft on soulbinder trolling ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

but some people still use it

[sour fossil]

We logging down the channel or what

locking*

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont know what they see

[hasty warren]

is PC still only for padding ?

[gaunt phoenix]

well ye

parsing

[cinder haven]

Deft in raid is nearly always trolling?

[hasty warren]

so the build for soulbinder is the same for m+ but without deft and PC ?

[daring oxide]

not always, i think its good where we can hit 3-4 targets or more

[cinder haven]

Maybe if you can almost all the time

[hasty warren]

on concil figts maybe

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't think there's a fight where deft wins overall

maybe if you 30 man araz and they are all afking

[hasty warren]

even if it's 1 gcd for full cp on cd ?

[jolly geyser]

30 man hc is so ass,I cba to do anything tbh im there for loot

[daring oxide]

I use Swift Slasher, because you can feel the extra unseen blades

[lofty sand]

So i was trolling

Nice

[cinder haven]

Gg, 3% on 8t is what more than double damage on st?

[daring oxide]

lol is it

how do we do the maths for this

[cinder haven]

Say bf is 50%

[daring oxide]

3% of 50% x 7

what is that

[hasty warren]

and the other point ?

[jolly geyser]

just buff to make bf active all the time

[gaunt phoenix]

bf hits the main target and then bfs again

[jolly geyser]

no cap

[hasty warren]

maybe blinding powder

[gaunt phoenix]

and then it loops for infinite dmg

[daring oxide]

we add to spell data for this to not be blade flurried 😄

unless thats whats happening to assa?

does the plague damage get cleaved by splatter?

[cinder haven]

Maybe i mathed poorly

[jolly geyser]

or if you hit a certian number of enemies BF does more dmg

but the prob is st so idk

[cinder haven]

10% ?

[jolly geyser]

just make outlaw the soul capacitor trinket

[strong halo]

I really hate GS its such a boring way to make us do ST

[jolly geyser]

fuck gs

[daring oxide]

@cinder haven in my head i thought:
lets say we do 100 damage, 50% of that is 50, 3% of 50 is 1.5, and times that by 7 is 10.5, so if we hit 7 targets, we just do like 10% of overall blade flurry damage, which was my intention

[cinder haven]

Yeah

I mathed bad

[daring oxide]

well

if you think about it

[cinder haven]

10% is kinda low

[daring oxide]

10% of blade flurry damage

compared to our ST

is pretty high

its crazy prio damage

[willow portal]

is there a realistic chance for balance changes this week?

or will that only happen on reset

[daring oxide]

50/50 tonight

[cinder relic]

Ya

[cinder haven]

But you promised

[daring oxide]

yes but theres a chance blizzard will scam us too

i cant account for scams

[cinder haven]

And now it's suddenly 50/50

[daring oxide]

well its the law

everything either happens or it doesn't

you either win or lose

[jolly geyser]

all dmg dealt while in combat with BF active will do more dmg 1 target and spread around

[cinder haven]

Right

[daring oxide]

i always play the lottery

[hasty warren]

maybe balance tuning tonight ?

[daring oxide]

because

you either win or lose

50% chance to win

just two outcomes

[jolly geyser]

or make BF spread gs

[daring oxide]

it makes sense for some to happen tonight/this week yes

[cinder haven]

Or delete GS

[jolly geyser]

ye

[cinder haven]

It has been awfully quiet on the tuning front

[daring oxide]

i think GS will probably disappear in the rework

normally tuning would of come last week (3rd week of raid)

[jolly geyser]

gs,kir and UB gone

[daring oxide]

based on undermine and first tier

[jolly geyser]

[daring oxide]

or expected to

[cinder relic]

Undermine was a lot worse balanced overall than this tier

[daring oxide]

not guaranteed

[cinder haven]

They'll take this bf prio idea, but tie it to gs

[cinder relic]

I think other than some outlier shit specs, like Outlaw, Balance, I think this tier is super well balanced DPS wise

[cinder haven]

Because it needs a debuff to work from

[daring oxide]

I think BM is struggling too

[cinder relic]

Kappa

[jolly geyser]

blizz should be more aggressive with tuning

just fucking send that shit

then tone it back

[daring oxide]

they were at a games festival and had a holiday

[jolly geyser]

but I play ow2 and I have seen shit

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is always just gonna be a weird spec with how strong it is in uncoordinated play, even when it was "Just strong" in S1 DF I think they said Outlaw was the spec that causes the most successful keys in the game

[daring oxide]

apparently enhancement shaman is also rough?

[cinder relic]

It's just very weird

Enhance sucks but also ele is very good

[jolly geyser]

all the artist still played

[frail veldt]

I think there's a small handful of very very strong specs

[daring oxide]

frost mages might be having a bad time too

[frail veldt]

Warlock is getting away with murder RN I swear

[cinder relic]

Eh

[frail veldt]

That class is so op lol

[cinder relic]

Warlock is good, but its not that good

[frail veldt]

Its just so good for how easy it is

Warlock using obr beats outlaw by like 15%

Imagine that

That's a problem imo lolol

[ancient cobalt]

ele is so good it turned my friend i raided with for like 8 years on ret to ele

[cinder relic]

I think legit the only "too good" spec in the game rn is ele but even ele I think is just like, SLIGHTLY too good, not even nerf worthy imo

[ancient cobalt]

another 1 trick down disgustin ill never change

[daring oxide]

arcane mage seems to be rising good too

[cinder relic]

thats an outlaw sucks problem not a warlock problem

[daring oxide]

MM is an absolute gamba machine right now

[jolly geyser]

I might main my ret rest of exp,I enjoy playing that

[craggy barn]

u know whats funny

my main alt is a mm hunter

i am addicted to the gamba

[jolly geyser]

[cinder relic]

Yeah idk

Its not like last tier imo where it was like

WW 5% better than everything

A lot of spec strength is fight design this tier (and last tier)

Like warlock is good, but its only a real outlier on doing jobs, and soulhunter

[jolly geyser]

cant win them all ig,but doesnt make you wanna play

[cinder relic]

Casters are generally tuned on the higher end this tier tho

But melee has been tuned on the higher end for literally like, 6+ years

[jolly geyser]

ye mostly cause we cant see shit sometimes

[cinder relic]

Its a mix of baseline tuning, and "what the raid is asking you to do"

[jolly geyser]

doesnt help spell density is broken

[cinder relic]

Like a late game council boss existing is just going to make casters good

[vivid vessel]

I mean

[drifting inlet]

anything with an amp is no bueno for outlaw and the last 2 bosses both have important ones right?

[vivid vessel]

It's not just a council boss

[craggy barn]

giga movement council boss where melee uptime is just gone

[vivid vessel]

It's a council boss with intermissions only ranged can hit other bosses on

Like

That's crazy design to me

[jolly geyser]

just give outlaw amp,giga bte lol

[craggy barn]

for the intermissions, the bosses are always in a predesignated spot outside right

[jolly geyser]

also bte not being a execute feels weird,name says it

[cinder relic]

Yes, this specific council boss is exceptionally good for casters, but even council of dreams was very much a "ele/balance were 2x as good as most DPS"

But there have been many, many fights that are melee weighted in similarlly egregious ways,

[craggy barn]

fatebound not giving us access to execute is criminal

[cinder relic]

Different roles play a different game, that's okay sometimes idk

[craggy barn]

trickster gives sub blade flurry

why doesnt fb give us execute

[jolly geyser]

fuck knows

[craggy barn]

outlaw with execute would be cool evolution of our damage profile

😠

[drifting inlet]

i'd rather them just stop putting "boss takes 100% damage for 20 seconds" into the important raid fights

[craggy barn]

i dont mind generic damage amps in fights sometimes

[jolly geyser]

need another blackhand fight

[craggy barn]

i DO mind things like sarkareth buff

just arbitrarily a haste buff

[stiff vector]

holy cloak dam, ez 4m ST last boss of eco

[vivid vessel]

[stiff vector]

good for outlaw=every other dps does more boss dam than you still

[strong halo]

i won on every boss of a floodgate 14 except last one vs destro / ele shammy

O_O but that says more about them than me i think

[craggy barn]

based

[stiff vector]

why does this sound like a Guy quote

[craggy barn]

tettles video

[stiff vector]

[craggy barn]

really bad title when he means talent tree bloat

and then something about healers

[cinder relic]

I'm ready for people to start saying theres too many choices and talents and such after years of talking we need more baseline features

[craggy barn]

the cycle continues

[cinder relic]

Always funny to watch the pendulum swing

[craggy barn]

the most i hear from content creators is removing things in general

not moving things baseline

so far at least

[cinder relic]

Yeah after years of BFA > SL people said WE NEED MORE BASELINE STUFF

2 expacs of getting stuff ppl already want out

[craggy barn]

[random stirrup]

i love choice

[glass mortar]

ok but why is every single buff they do in m+ always like this

[random stirrup]

i dont care if its a cosmetic choice give me a poe tree

[glass mortar]

i realized the other day the streets band practice boss

[craggy barn]

bc its the thing that most classes get to feel

[glass mortar]

doing ur line mechanic gives u a haste buff

[cinder relic]

Thats the answer tho

[glass mortar]

me when dungeon buffs r always worthless for my spec

[cinder relic]

Most specs feel haste

[glass mortar]

yea its true

[cinder relic]

So thats why a lot of buffs are just haste

[glass mortar]

i wish we felt it on the meter

[indigo token]

wdym ready for? people are already saying that

[craggy barn]

also bc lust is a thing

[stiff vector]

respect for Tettles mentioning how dogshit rogue utility nad CC is now because of talent tree power creep where everyone else has gotten a shit ton of utility in their kit....and then theres rogue, where it feels like we havebasically gained nothing

[cinder relic]

Rogue has gained a lot of, personal utility

2 charges of feint, feint off the GCD, Kidney is now an 8 second stun, cheap is 6, elus now works on evasion

But yeah, group utility on rogue is legit just atrophic and crippling more or less

[craggy barn]

we are a much more selfish class

[stiff vector]

wow so much personal utility, so much value, incredible stuff

[magic shuttle]

aoe blind is neat

[daring oxide]

Does anyone use cheap shot

[cinder relic]

Oh yeah true aoe blind

[craggy barn]

i cheap shot sometimes

[jolly geyser]

no

[magic shuttle]

cheap shot buff is meaningless tho

[drowsy ridge]

I keep being told "You have Shroud! That's good!" but well... that depends on the route and it actually working for the key

[stiff vector]

every class has gained tons of ppersonal utility, mosto f them have gained much more than rogue.

[daring oxide]

Cheap shop

[craggy barn]

yuh

[glass mortar]

i mean the modern game begs for aoe stops

[craggy barn]

look

we declined aoe kidney

[cinder relic]

aoe blind

[glass mortar]

blizzard has failed to succesfully move away from reliance on them for 3 expacs now

[daring oxide]

Make kidney shot blade flurry

[glass mortar]

kinda crazy how rogue went from the best ccer in the game to the worst m+ cc in the game

[daring oxide]

As well as cheap shot blade flurry

[craggy barn]

we literally said NO to that

[glass mortar]

game evolved and we didnt

maybe theyll make more valuable ST stun mobs in the future

[stiff vector]

the fact is personal utility is irrelevant when every class has gained a ton of ppersonal utility, but rogue has gained fuck all group utility

[glass mortar]

we continue to wait

[craggy barn]

we all rallied against aoe kidney and look where we are now

[cinder relic]

Well rogue was never the best CCer, rogue just had a rotational stun, and a single target stop

[craggy barn]

[cinder relic]

Even back then, a weakness of rogue was in big groups we couldnt controll everything

Aoe stuns have always been the game

[craggy barn]

yea

[glass mortar]

sure im talking like vanilla, we havent been the cc class in pve for a long time is fair

[craggy barn]

i cant wait to see legion classic

[cinder relic]

bros in the retirement home talking about classic

[daring oxide]

They should put blind on restless blades

[craggy barn]

i wonder how different people will run those m+ dungeons now

[glass mortar]

id say the relevance of hard aoe stops in dungeons has increased continuously over the years

[pallid wraith]

DH gains dps from their stun, rogue loses dps kidneying one target

[glass mortar]

having blind is nice, does it need to be like a 50s cd for our only aoe stop tho

and its not even a hard stop

[daring oxide]

Well put it on restless blades and GG

[random stirrup]

aoe kidney should be in the game

[stuck sparrow]

You can't give rogue too much control

else the pvp pauls flood the forums

[stiff vector]

remember they were gonna give us aoe kidney but I guess that was too OP

[craggy barn]

we all said no to that

[glass mortar]

well no to be clear

[cinder relic]

It was going to sub

not to rogue

[final atlas]

discord closing when

[glass mortar]

they were giving one spec aoe kidney and another aoe blind

[worthy elm]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[glass mortar]

and aoe kidney was just worse because it was target capped

[cinder relic]

It was only sub getting aoe kidney

[glass mortar]

we were the ones who said no

[stuck sparrow]

either way utility is my favorite cope buzzword

after funnel/prio damage

[brisk lotus]

guys on a aoe pack am i doing wrong from opening stealth with blade flurry into adrenaline and rolling dice into ghostly strike

[random geyser]

Do u think they will do a class balance this tier?

[craggy barn]

at some point

i cant tell u when

[cinder relic]

Probably going into next week

[cinder relic]

TRUTH SUPERNOVA

[random obsidian]

outlaw should have gotten restless crew as planned for df at first

[cinder relic]

also true

[craggy barn]

u heared it here first, ForeverLeak has said next week class changes

[stiff vector]

ye and it should have been uncapped and given to all rogue specs...and now instead rogue is in a spot where you are basically near useless comared to others in grou util

[stuck sparrow]

warlock suddenly spamming rain of fire gapping everyone on aoe

"omg lock gate is so much utility"

[random geyser]

Wouldn't they usually announce that by now

[cinder relic]

idrk

[pallid wraith]

outlaw aura buff incoming 100% real and true

[cinder relic]

Idk when buffs happen

I just watch the blue posts and react to them

[craggy barn]

u know what i think

[stuck sparrow]

as soon as a spec starts doing turbo damage

[craggy barn]

they should bring back target caps for everyone

[random geyser]

I feel like it usually goes out the prior Thursday

[stuck sparrow]

playerbase starts listing any cc ability a class has

as "great utility"

[twilit rivet]

timewalking end time just completely bugged my AR

[cinder relic]

feral druid funnel

[stuck sparrow]

[lethal oak]

Finishers extend AR spec fixed

Goodnight all

[stuck sparrow]

they do

[balmy topaz]

Get the gang together for reclear buddy

[stuck sparrow]

bte in crackshot technically

[worldly sinew]

I havent gotten to use Shroud on a single key yet this tier. 😐 Unless the tank routes are ass.. Idk

[pallid wraith]

don’t see people using that “utility” on raid bosses. aoe stop a forced mechanic because they afraid to give trash packs real abilities

[stuck sparrow]

here's the usefulness of shroud

you press shroud

someone walks on top of the mob

gets meleed

[craggy barn]

i just use it to help the tank do their gathering without the party taking random aggro from potshots

like in priory first gather

[stiff vector]

blizzard has effectively phased shroud out of relevance for the most part

[stuck sparrow]

yeah people have bfa ptsd

[craggy barn]

i shroud everyone sometimes while tank is gathering

[stuck sparrow]

[craggy barn]

bc where else am i gonna use it

[stuck sparrow]

when everyone and their mother tried to play outlaw

and was hot dogass at it

[pallid wraith]

yo thats me

[stuck sparrow]

tbh my favorite activity is watching ranged mains call melee easy

then proceed to play a melee alt

and perma floorpov to frontals

[lethal oak]

Bring me back to WoD outlaw

[stuck sparrow]

[stiff vector]

every other mob has truesight(or at least every pulls/mobs that are actually worth skipping) or you just cant skip much because forced linear route/tight count requirements

[craggy barn]

i loev swapping to my ranged alt and saying how ez shit is

like holy shit why are u complaining about notbeing able to cast here

[pallid wraith]

i spent like 40 hours on ptr dummies trying to learn this shit. Load up one key and it’s a dumpster fire lmao

[cinder relic]

I do think its kinda crazy that they put truesight on every mob in the game, but you can just mindsoothe everything

[craggy barn]

yea

[stuck sparrow]

isnt that why

[glass mortar]

priests have it rough with utility

[cinder relic]

Like, Mindsoothe is great, opening up the utility for "skipping packs" is great, let more classes do what rogues do

[glass mortar]

[agile orchid]

would it be broken if ST and AoE stuns were on separate DRs?

[cinder relic]

but why make shroud basically worthless lol

[stiff vector]

bro especially this expac, pplaying ranged in keys compared to melee is like...giga brain-off content. Literally fall asleep playin ranged, no matter the key level.

[stuck sparrow]

to pvp pauls probably

[craggy barn]

they should give healer priests a kick
but it teleports u on top fo the mob and taunts them

[magic shuttle]

As a side effect more and more mobs have stealth detect in the open world. It's a very casual thing but greatly annoys me.

[stuck sparrow]

as soon as sub is allowed to burst someone in a kidney

pvp forums flood with complaints

been that way since legion

[twilit rivet]

i mean we already are in a stunlock

[stuck sparrow]

rogue vs double monk was funny

[cinder relic]

Idk I like in open world theres truesight, makes stealth less brainless

and I'm a world quets andy

[stuck sparrow]

"oh bro doesnt know about double ranged disarm"

[cinder relic]

I'm excited for rogue in the hunt system however tf that works

[magic shuttle]

I'm a brainless stealth through everything enjoyer

[glass mortar]

patroling mobs with true sight u can play around is fun

[cinder relic]

Thats how I feel yeh

[glass mortar]

makes stealth feel more like a minigame for the class

[cinder relic]

yeh

[glass mortar]

but truesight mobs everywhere blocking all routes n shit

is a bit more lame

[agile orchid]

I think shroud should be stronger than true sight, gives us a nice niche

[magic shuttle]

But I can see your point

[stuck sparrow]

Well technically

shroud jusst gives people

our baseline stealth

doesnt it

[glass mortar]

you want my scorching hot take

[stuck sparrow]

just rogue and feral have a stronger stealth

[hasty warren]

boomkins are making revolution like ret rn xd

[glass mortar]

mobs with truesight even should not be able to detect stealth if their back is turned

bring me back more distract utility

[stuck sparrow]

I mean what do you expect, boomkins can't even count to 4.

Just look how often a boomy prepulls

[stiff vector]

ye its kinda cringe how far true sight mobs will detect you, and even if they arent facin you

[drowsy ridge]

I also miss being able to use Sap in group content

[pallid wraith]

shroud should teleport the team like old underlord ult from dota

[craggy barn]

they should give us detection range indicator

[magic shuttle]

I wonder what they were cooking with the distract node on the trickster tree

[hasty warren]

real

[craggy barn]

qol for the newbie rogues

[drowsy ridge]

CCing Pre Pull and needing to have brain on to do stuff

[glass mortar]

or alternatively, mobs with truesight should have the same detection radius as when mind soothed if ur behind them

[stuck sparrow]

I mean, they kind of do

if a mob looks your direction

you are close to being caught

[glass mortar]

they do that from way further away then mind soothe tho

i mean mind soothe is giga so of course they do

mind soothe reduces aggro radius by so much

[craggy barn]

dude i just had someone tell me to sap this mob recently

[hasty warren]

ok mb it's a pal joke

[craggy barn]

just like old times

[stiff vector]

like one time at the start of floodgate, I didnt grapplin across and I guess I was a centimeter too far to the right and the shreddinator somehow saw me from like 15y away

like why

is that a thing

[stuck sparrow]

yeah idk truesight mobs you need to distract them+be a good 20-30yds awy

to not get seen

[pallid wraith]

ok why does grapple just fizzle out and do nothing sometimes tho

[glass mortar]

mf got eyes in the back of they heads

didnt know i was fighting gojo in these dungeons

[stuck sparrow]

also dh has omnidirectional dodge

because fuck you

[stiff vector]

like the idea that people can literally walk past a mob and not pull it, but if youre the same distance away in stealth, it will agro you because of true sight is beyond stupid

[worldly sinew]

Line of Sight is fuckery sometimes with Grapple. I mostly biff it while in Dornogal tbh.. lol

[stiff vector]

I love when grappling hook bugs and doesnt work, especially when I die as a result. Legit perma bugged since they introduced it 7+ years ago.

[jolly geyser]

been fucky since it doesnt break space time

SL some patch

[eternal ore]

damn... xD

[normal forge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[sharp ingot]

I'm a little confused about this rotation for trickster.

For the finishers, does this mean if I still have stealth or subterfuge I literally should ONLY be using BTE?

[dark fractal]

Ofc you should use only bte in subterfuge windows

Depending on cp

[gaunt phoenix]

you still build combo points

but it's your only finisher yes

[frank finch]

is the new soh logic in the simc?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[stiff vector]

bruh my floodgate luck is so cursed run going fine outside of ret pally doing complete dogshit damage and were killing 1st boss and tank legit just despawns the boss because hunter pulled crocs onto boss so he could aoe(MM hunter) and blood DK's ego couldnt handle it so he said "not part of my route" and threw the key

[frail veldt]

Even without it in there soh barely sims as a loss for me

Maybe cuz I have 42% vers

[mellow mica]

!talents

[stiff vector]

need more crit

[mellow mica]

what is other build

with kir

[stiff vector]

I swapped around some stats and started usin crit flask cuz too much versa

[gaunt phoenix]

you don't need me. play soh and experiment.

[vivid vessel]

fuck you solo !

I dont need you !

[frail veldt]

Play soh and just enjoy rolling 5 buff sometimes

[mellow mica]

[stiff vector]

I played SoH in some keys, idk seemed ok

[keen belfry]

i like it

[lethal oak]

AR guarantees a 5 roll, ez fix

[daring oxide]

I need you

[clear zephyr]

Is Outlaw not performing well in Raid?

[inner meadow]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lethal oak]

if more than one target its good

[worldly shale]

tuning when

whats going on

[daring oxide]

It’s the best spec right now, at doing no boss damage so yes it’s performing well at being the worst!

[worldly shale]

insiders

[daring oxide]

Buffs tonight

[vivid vessel]

10% aura

OUTLAW AURA SPEC

[willow portal]

what time are those balance changes again?

[lethal oak]

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/spare-aura-aura-debt-debt-aura-gif-12147692680750398743

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[worldly shale]

Outlaw isn’t consistent—it’s volatile chaos. Some pulls I’m a slot machine jackpot, others I’m a half-drunk raccoon with guns, but either way, I’m still carrying harder than your “meta comp.” You want reliability? Go play Arcane Mage and spreadsheet yourself to sleep. You want style? You want raw pirate energy? You want to turn Mythic+ into a Vegas nightclub with zero fire code compliance? That’s me. That’s Outlaw.

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[stiff vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avozYYfLlnE 9:35 when Yoda says you can just maybe remove outlaw for hunter, or even Arcane mage really is that bad when youre contemplating bringing an arcane mage in phys comp over outlaw

[worldly shale]

closing discord when

[kindred mango]

asking the real question

[craggy barn]

i mean its mostly bc he finds arcane itself to be omega busted

[fallow hinge]

I'm sure there were many reasons to remove you from the group tbh.

[craggy barn]

and the rogue/hunter slot doesnt bring a raid buff

[fallow hinge]

hunter brings hunter's mark q.q

[worldly shale]

cool

[fallow hinge]

I'm the enemy this season, zomb

[stiff vector]

I mean it is really good, but the mere fact that its even something to consider that you might be able to be faster with an arcane mage over outlaw in full phys comp is just incredibly sad

[worldly shale]

he called zac

a BEAST

[craggy barn]

bet

[fallow hinge]

at least I got vers for days now though. Hunter felt so squishy in comparison

[craggy barn]

lol

[fallow hinge]

got my 3k out of the way though

so that's shiny

[craggy barn]

ez

[fallow hinge]

kinda, actually

[craggy barn]

imagine not having 100% mastery

[fallow hinge]

don't need it :3

already pushing 4mil mana in raid

censi guess what rating I am and you win a cookie

[desert tendon]

fk hunters we dont wanna hear about hunters anymore. No versa specs can gtfo

there i said it

[craggy barn]

shrug i die the least on my hunter in keys and in raid

[copper radish]

Having a blast on my new DH

[craggy barn]

compared to other folks somehow

[fallow hinge]

dark ranger has a lot of recovery tools

and is pretty tanky

[desert tendon]

Hmmm

liz

i ll say

3075

[fallow hinge]

no cookie for you

[desert tendon]

3036

ez

[fallow hinge]

ez

but still no cookie because you guessed wrong

[coral bobcat]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[random stirrup]

[vivid vessel]

why only one

[random stirrup]

no clue

[craggy barn]

skill issue

[worldly shale]

i did make a dh

actually okayish fun

more fun than fckn sub and assa

think its at like

670

[copper radish]

Yeah I’m having a good time when I’m not playing outlaw on it

[worldly shale]

XD

ima run some delves

[copper radish]

My DH passed my outlaws ilvl might have to keep playing it more. Does a ton more dmg already lol

[worldly shale]

bro

i cant get

into a 14

with 13 resi

as outlaw

idk

[sudden fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif?ex=68bbe3e7&is=68ba9267&hm=380b9d18c9cc17bc4816b0b84a989e33609f54dde225418fbf2786a9639e9b61&

[worldly shale]

yes

[copper radish]

Brb gonna link PKs photo there u go

DH time 😂

[copper radish]

670 DH gonna get invited to a 14 over a 700 outlaw 😂

[sudden fulcrum]

reroll devourer DH it's joever

[jolly geyser]

Evolve on draenor got blueberry atleast

[worldly shale]

711..........

OK

STREEETS

LESTSG OO

[jolly geyser]

I dont like tazavesh

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[indigo token]

we gotta do tazavesh like england did dresden

[brisk meadow]

[indigo token]

IN WW2

not like

rn

[jolly geyser]

[indigo token]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01HCQEJKS00002DEFPPVJX99PY/2x.gif

[daring oxide]

true outlaw discord now

[worldly shale]

outlaw bl when

[stiff vector]

bro can I get 1 single non-cursed floodgate group without any drama holy fuck

pugging this dungeon is pure hell

[worldly shale]

based outlaw main

in pfp

[vivid vessel]

wtf is this shit

[worldly shale]

i actually didnt get swapped for bl

outlaw giga meta

[vivid vessel]

ok dont do that

its ugly af

[eternal ore]

XD

[ripe ibex]

rogue color is so disgusting

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel

wait wtf

it just suddenly disappeared

did it get taken off me

?!

[stiff vector]

bruh

fix ur discord pls

[eternal ore]

at how many targets do you guys think a 678 cudgel is better than a 710 offhand? whenever if I see less than 5 I keep the 710 but not sure

[old meteor]

i also have a cudgel question ^^

when simming dungeon slice it shows a 720 crafted offhand to be a downgrade, but an upgrade in 8 target patchwerk. what gives? should i craft it?

im assuming dungeon slice is fucked but i want to confirm with the discord experts

[craggy quiver]

Doesn't work in patchwerk sins

Cudgel works in slice

[old meteor]

so the other way around then, dungeon slice is correct?

[daring oxide]

4 hours to go

[old meteor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p22vtv8v7nMUKw37WMVe6w

[bright crane]

next reset is a cc charge right

[daring oxide]

catalyst yes

[bright crane]

ty

[craggy quiver]

Where are my outlaw buffa

Vai

[daring oxide]

in 4 hours

50% chance

[sterile summit]

Outlaw buff Incoming

[bright crane]

so i currently have H tier legs and chest. vault has M non-tier chest and M tier legs. i have 1 cc charge

what should i take

they sim p much the same

[worldly shale]

id say legs are pretty obvious

idk

might be biased

[vagrant saddle]

take the one you wont get in vault next reset

[glass mortar]

I'd take chest just cause it has better stats

Assuming ur cata charges are only for upgrading tier right now and u have 4set

[bright crane]

i have 4 set

its just for upgrading

[worldly shale]

yes but he will need legs too eventually

like

why waste cata

[glass mortar]

Yes

What do u mean waste

This is what it's for

[worldly shale]

i mean

i guess

yes

[glass mortar]

U tend to get cata charges more often then u get mythic tier slots in vault idk

[worldly shale]

ye

thats what i thought now

that u mentioned it

ok

[glass mortar]

And if he has one today he'll have one for vault next week

[worldly shale]

sub is rubbing off me

this is bad

[glass mortar]

Ur point wasn't awful fwiw if tier legs didn't have cursed stats it would be a good option

It still isn't a bad option honestly it's impossible to tell which is correct without knowing what's in ur vault next week so

But seeing as ud have 2 cata charges next week anyway and chest is like our best slot id def take chest myself

[brisk lotus]

like is there any other better build for this set up? doing keep it rolling build feels miserable

like im doin no dam

[copper radish]

When alpha

[oblique trench]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[quaint mauve]

log?

[snow mantle]

outlaw ded?

[quaint mauve]

your trinkets aren’t great for m+

[quaint mauve]

always has been

[snow mantle]

subsub

[quaint delta]

im lolling at this take on wowhead: "it’s whole kit is basically 20 buttons of “how lucky you feeling right now?” At 300 apm"

[quaint mauve]

idk

like rng really isn’t like

idk

that important

[stiff vector]

ye I think im done playing with the average ret pally ofr the season, holy shit they are so bad

[quaint mauve]

wait… you were still playing with them?

[stiff vector]

bro i dont choose who the leader inv to the group

[quaint mauve]

i actually like actively avoid any group with a ret

but

[stiff vector]

but ret pallys are also like a plaue

[quaint mauve]

that’s just me

[stiff vector]

plague

theyre fucking all over lfg

in every single group

[quaint mauve]

yeah isn’t it like

most played dps by a lotV

[gaunt phoenix]

rets are rats !

[quaint mauve]

i need to get up and grind keys

im slacking

and it’s my days off

[stiff vector]

like the spec isnt very good, but holy shit the average ret player is so god damn bad its crazy how free it is to get IO on that spec

[quaint mauve]

you don’t need to be good

when ur class plays itself

[stiff vector]

bro thats crazy I took like 500m less dmg than the ele shaman in a floodgate...how do you even take that much dmg as a ranged in flood

[worldly shale]

cool guild name

[mighty pivot]

the devs must be working hard on tonight's tuning

[stiff vector]

big outlaw buffs tn for sure

[quaint delta]

• Crimson Vial now heals an additional 5%.

[worldly shale]

ok are sites just down

or

cant load raiderio

or wow prog

[stiff vector]

raiderios site is kinda dogshit it always has problems

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[slate forge]

Slice and dice duration increased by 5 seconds is a pretty solid buff

[craggy quiver]

I like how the wow head article is suggesting to close down Boomie discord when they not even the lowest spec in st

[quaint mauve]

i forget that ability exists

[glass mortar]

u should use it more

its practically free for us now

(u can cast it during kspree without interupting it)

[quaint mauve]

hmmm ok

[glass mortar]

i cast it basically every kspree now

if ive taken any damage

[craggy quiver]

That shit needs to be off gcd

[glass mortar]

yea but at least if u use it during kspree it basically is

more useful then it was last season

[quaint mauve]

ima go make a cheese burger

with no bread

[inland acorn]

Why did you said this out loud

Now they're going to fix this

[indigo token]

yknow what

[glass mortar]

i dont think so

i believe its intended u can use defensives and mobility skills during it

[indigo token]

lets shut down the outlaw discord

[glass mortar]

its just offensive abilities that interupt

[indigo token]

someone post confidential government documents

post the epstein files

[inland acorn]

SND now counts as offensive ability

gg

[indigo token]

that'll get blizzard to buff us

[quaint delta]

screw shutting it down, create a second discord

[quaint mauve]

let me kick during KS

i think that’ll be a solid buff

[inland acorn]

nah

that'll be op

[glass mortar]

cant kick during any other channels that im aware of

warlocks can i guess

assuming they r playing petkick

[quaint mauve]

yeah but like

[inland acorn]

warlocks have interrupt ?

Never seen one

[quaint mauve]

let rogue be able to

[glass mortar]

make kspree interupt any target shot

[quaint mauve]

we can definitely spin around and shoot

[glass mortar]

rng kick

[quaint mauve]

and still kick

[inland acorn]

Yo imagine

20 mob pull and they ask you to interrupt

and you're like

[quaint mauve]

MORE GAMBLING

[jolly geyser]

maan doing giga dmg on psf then I die on pack before last boss

[inland acorn]

SPIN THE ROULETTE, KS GO

[indigo token]

psf is so ass on outlaw

so many bleeds

[willow portal]

outlaw doesnt have bleeds, silly. Thats assa

[jolly geyser]

[willow portal]

"should boomkins close discord" for being 4th last????

[indigo token]

thats what im sayin

we need to protest

[sharp pasture]

rogue dead

[glass mortar]

very funny to me that earlier guy said that this is very clearly a joke, not a ragebait, and that you are low iq if you dont see it as an obvious joke

outlaw mains never beating the allegations

[cinder relic]

Truth nuke

I mean its a funny headline idk how anybody is taking this so seriously

Genuinely

[glass mortar]

i think the facebook post made it more clear

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/228241791831375873/1413577527536128191/IMG_7686.png?ex=68bc7029&is=68bb1ea9&hm=8786dec22a71c94e42d5bd58eb4ace9dcadc0dd3624efae1c4f9fe51ec586a53&

or twitter

w/e this is

[cinder relic]

LOOOOOL

Okay now that's crazy

[glass mortar]

[cinder relic]

With the success of the ret shutdown

W rage bait

It actually worked

[glass mortar]

big Ws

yea i mean i think it was all bangers, and i didnt mean ragebait as a bad thing. if u get baited by the bait u probably deserve to give them a click

ansh is very hurt by all the mean messages hes getting in the wowhead comments

(not)

[mighty pivot]

you don't need much to bait wowhead posters

[proven ocean]

The wowhead writer is a boomie main thats why

[edgy girder]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[proven ocean]

Idk whats more cooked. The post or you running light mode

[glass mortar]

i dont use tweeter

[rotund token]

just got schooled by mm hunter how im playing a scam/afk spec lol. My 15 gambit key, huge pulls on start, tank chain pulling, ofc my dmg is same as tank. Pala tank also told me I need to hit the dummies more as well as Frost DK. Man, so fkin frustraing pugging with idiots.

[glass mortar]

this is a screenshot i got from discord

my twitter is on no-mode

[rotund token]

and we failed because none of those highly skilled fotm players targeted totems.

[tight kernel]

@vivid vessel link Dawn route

[vivid vessel]

no

[tight kernel]

[desert tendon]

no

[fathom whale]

Why is nessa so goated with the hidden op build, surely I can be like them too

[civic zephyr]

is the new ghostly strike tech actually worth

[vivid vessel]

we are working on something new

but we havent tried it yet

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

just look at skenga ! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XqRDYk2JNMHV3vbZ?fight=10&type=damage-done

[strong halo]

Chain pulling helps you tho

[strong halo]

!!!!! What is this new tech

[vivid vessel]

careful tho

do not turn off your coins

[still matrix]

you drop thiefs versa for soh?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you can try it

[still matrix]

hmm ok

[gaunt phoenix]

The full rules for soh are not really resolved tho

[winter cave]

I think it's mostly because those pulls are a lot bigger than 8 targets that it feels bad there.

[willow portal]

its a joke sure

but boomkins do cry foul even when they are literal first place

[craggy barn]

they cry fowl

[willow portal]

ye idk

they cry

[strong halo]

Ret pallies have 0 aura

[craggy barn]

yea they removed it

[strong halo]

i have studies that prove it

[craggy barn]

it was literally removed

blizzard took it away

[strong halo]

Would the sims not show this as a ST dps increase?

[craggy barn]

not implemented

[willow portal]

what guild is/was ion playing in?

[gaunt phoenix]

elitist jerks?

[frank bane]

Yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

sim plays soh the same as ld

atm

which is fine

[willow portal]

well

[gaunt phoenix]

but there are better rules to be found

[willow portal]

araz nerfs soon?

[fair tapir]

they just buffed him iirc

[daring oxide]

2 hours and 30mins to go

[mighty pivot]

nah the tuning will come in like 30min

[quaint delta]

the tuning already happened, you just missed it

[fluid meadow]

yeah, combat rog buffed on mop, wrong expansion

[cinder relic]

What

I get it's a funny community meme to say fuck boomkins but idk, they really don't complain that much anymore

At least, more so than any other class

[quaint delta]

they've all been hunted out of existence

[craggy barn]

idk some chickens like to go after the ferals who just post all day

[willow portal]

as a sometimes feral player its just weird to see boomies be like "oh no we are so bad we need buffs" while they are doing soo much damage in raid and m+ compared to feral

and tettles putting boomy in d tier on his tierlist is also a meme for some time apparently

[craggy barn]

to me, tettles feels like the embodiment of the boomkin meme

[willow portal]

[craggy barn]

with some of his takes

[willow portal]

feral chat is just fun and nice people

a bit like outlaw channel but more active

[craggy barn]

the ferals i know are a vibe

[willow portal]

and more cat pics

[willow portal]

i had one of the better ferals queue into my arakara key recently and he left with the words "i am not playing with outlaw again"

well we bricked the key

but thats another story

[craggy barn]

my feral friend was playing outlaw as their main alt this season

came up to me and told me they just cant vibe with it this season

and then started gearing their fdk

[willow portal]

i kinda want to start gearing my feral

or i practise sub instead for mythic endboss

:/

[rotund token]

it does, but he was pulling every damn group in start, there was constantly 4 totems up all the time, none of the fotm or two button spec wonder targeted them, everything was healed and unkillable and they blamed my dps as the main culprit lol.

in a 15

like wth

[buoyant cosmos]

FDK has no right slamming so hard with like four buttons lol

[unborn haven]

So, im seeing some outlaw rogues in m+, going dagger offhand.
Does that mean i shouldnt be crafting mace/sword as OH? But dagger?

I do have a mythic mh

[buoyant cosmos]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[fathom bramble]

yes

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[craggy barn]

as a craft, offhand craft isnt that important unless u need to craft a dagger for sin/sub

[balmy topaz]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[unborn haven]

For me, beeing 690 ilvl, with mythic mh, and a 675 oh, my raidbot told me to craft oh first

[buoyant cosmos]

Is your haste at 19%?

[craggy barn]

crafting a dagger isnt that important since u can just get hero level weapons from dungeons, and even a champ ilvl weapon is fine

[strong halo]

anyone else test prism in keys lately?

[buoyant cosmos]

feelsgreatman

[unborn haven]

29%

[strong halo]

goes BRRRRRRRR

[buoyant cosmos]

fast af boiiiiii

[unborn haven]

What would you craft?

[craggy barn]

stat fixers / embellishment fodder

so ring or offpiece

if u have 0 intentions on playing sub/sin

[buoyant cosmos]

A crit/vers ring would probably be great

[unborn haven]

Roger Roger

[fathom bramble]

dagger offhand craft can still win if your using a 704ish oh still

[unborn haven]

I just thought that droptimizer sim was good enough haha

[fathom bramble]

ilvl on offhand isn't exactly MH value but it does matter

[unborn haven]

Im using 675 oh

[craggy barn]

oh ilvl matters to an extent. but access to a non myth weapon isnt hard

droptimizer works, but u only get comparisons of similar loot located items

[next shuttle]

Hello, can Interrogation be vanished without it jumping to someone else?

[craggy barn]

so craft vs craft, without other contexts

no

[buoyant cosmos]

you could use cudgel if you're just doing keys, the dagger from floodgate is our stat line bis

[buoyant cosmos]

only cloaked

[next shuttle]

Ok, just making sure

[buoyant cosmos]

vanish anyways

be a rebel rat

[drowsy ridge]

And Shadowmeld/Potion if you aren't a Night Elf. Really make it someone else's problem

[craggy barn]

if u vansih u are then forced to go away from the boss and lose some uptime to break someone out

[reef forge]

!def

[craggy barn]

if u hav eno cloak then i guess vanish

lol

[buoyant cosmos]

Are you looking for the spreadsheet?

[buoyant cosmos]

solo called me a rat for doing it lol

I also died last time I did that

[craggy barn]

did u just stand there

[buoyant cosmos]

Tank lept away and the boss melee'd me

[reef forge]

i found it in search bar lol

[craggy barn]

[buoyant cosmos]

Also died to getting disarmed that pull

not a great key

[cinder relic]

I mean balance in raid right now is literally worthless

Feral actually is decent

Not great, but it's not bad

Balance literally serves 0 purpose in raid

[willow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-watch-hurry-up-judge-judy-i-aint-got-time-for-that-gif-5406593

[copper radish]

hmmmmmm

[cinder relic]

Feral is good on fractilus, feral is good at nexus king

But balance druid is literally entirely worthless this raid

If u want council cleave, multiple specs out class it, it does bad st

It legit serves no purpose

At least feral has a niche it can leverage

[vivid vessel]

sounds like outlaw

[random stirrup]

unlike outlaw the other sources of the orange man buff aren't extremely strong on the important fights

[fathom bramble]

yeah ferals niche is occasionally having good tuning

[glass mortar]

ferals niche is being a cat

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[fathom bramble]

on paper they don't really do anything that balance can't do if they are tuned similarly

[glass mortar]

yea i mean its just the same as survival right

[fathom bramble]

and everyone knows being ranged is just better so unlucky for feral

[glass mortar]

its rough for melee specs competing with ranged for their dps slot of the same class

feels like a melee spec in those classes deserves some notably unique utility to make them stand out from the ranged varient

[fathom bramble]

hunter also has one of the weakest raid buffs in the game

[buoyant cosmos]

They can get screwed over by anti melee mechanics where boomkin can just stand there

[fathom bramble]

so if the ranged hunter specs are bad you might just not have a hunter instead of running surv

depending on the fight ofc

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[glass mortar]

ye

its very funny to me hunter debuff is just worse then dh or monk debuff

but theirs also cant be applied in aoe and always costs a gcd to apply

afterthought raidbuff

[fathom bramble]

it also sometimes gives completely worthless damage

[glass mortar]

mhm

[vivid vessel]

:)

[fathom bramble]

if you are holding damage anyway dealing increased damage for the first few % off boss life does literally nothing

[vivid vessel]

haha

so funny

these devs are so clueless

[frank finch]

holy shit

[vivid vessel]

no outlaw buffs is legit wild

i dont think outlaw has ever been this bad

legit

[fathom bramble]

not since legion

I said right before this tier that outlaw is never that bad anymore

and that blizz does a better job since legion

[cinder relic]

I agree! I think outlaw sucks

[fathom bramble]

doomed us my bad

[vivid vessel]

so dumb man

like

idk

devs are legit clueless

not a single dev on retails rn

[cinder relic]

Well yes but I mean specifically this tier. Feral is mid, but it has its fights where it can be used. Balance basically serves 0 purpose in this raid

[worldly shale]

what qualifications does a

blizz dev

need

[copper radish]

outlaw ded

[red zinc]

even ret pala discord knows

[rich moon]

did we just get sidestepeed on buffs while being last on single target? lol

[vivid vessel]

nah but idk man

[red zinc]

ret pala discord got crazy influence they did a bit about boomies and then boomies get buffed

[vivid vessel]

these tuning notes

are sad af

legit sad

[old gull]

its joever

[vivid vessel]

0 tuning

[worldly shale]

guys when are we closing the discord

[vivid vessel]

they did nothing ??

[worldly shale]

so i know

[vivid vessel]

arcane untouched

[sour fossil]

Lol

[vivid vessel]

outlaw untouched

[sour fossil]

Can't make the shit up

[proven ocean]

these fuckers

[worldly shale]

just delete the outlaw channel

[vivid vessel]

legit nothing was done

[worldly shale]

that will get them

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[glass mortar]

wait boomkin actually got buffed

[vivid vessel]

they afk

[copper radish]

which means NONE till midnight time to pack it in boys

[glass mortar]

is it the wowhead effect guys!!!!

[sour fossil]

So now can we lock it down or what?

[fathom bramble]

I think it is somewhat normal to not have nerfs in these early tuning patches right

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel bm hunter is crazy in M+ and it got buffed

theres no way

[vivid vessel]

[fathom bramble]

since they don't want to make the raid feel harder by nerfing the best specs

or something

[wide magnet]

they've already locked us down tbh

[vivid vessel]

ok well

buff outlaw ??

like wtf are they doing

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

outlaw has never been as shit

[dawn talon]

if you nerf arcane you gotta nerf a bunch of content

[vale warren]

we gotta start throwing tantrums man

[vivid vessel]

as it is now

and they do nothing

[copper radish]

bout to reroll BM and do insane M+ dmg

[vivid vessel]

its crazy

[glass mortar]

its because we have such major reworks coming up in 12.0 they dont wanna waste the time buffing us

[karmic quest]

LOCK IT DOWN

[glass mortar]

surely