outlaw

[mossy shell]

I was thinking it might not be worth if you have the increased proc buff or pistol shot with broadsides

[daring oxide]

id use it if at least 3 seconds or more left on subterfuge

[mossy shell]

But ya you are right

[daring oxide]

but as you said before

i usually prefer to roll right before vanish

[mossy shell]

Yea

[daring oxide]

feels less disruptive

but it depends if it comes off cd during subterfuge and i got good buffs up

like RP especially

[white marten]

Outlaw buffs today, bois

[mossy shell]

Though you also want to vanish asap after coup

[daring oxide]

ya

i always do

[mossy shell]

Flawless form doesn’t last that long you wanna squeeze it

[daring oxide]

like coup>coup> build > rtb (depending on buffs) > vanish > bam bam bam

what i like sometimes

is

coup>coup>adr>rtb>vanish> bam bam

if it lines up

feels good

[proper veldt]

and ks > 30 but ye tbf though it sucks holding for ks when you have ff stacks up and ks lasts so long

[daring oxide]

but i dunno if i should be holding ADR to use inside subterfuge to get more finishers out

[torpid fiber]

The nice part about outlaw having so many neutral dps things rn is that we can feelycraft and it's probably not troll

[mossy shell]

Tbh after coup, I am willing to vanish at low combo points if I don’t have a proc to consume, to avoid a raw sinister strike

[daring oxide]

thats what is conflicting me right now

[mossy shell]

Cause if you coup and then do 4 SS without a proc

[copper radish]

How is outlaw literally LAST and the fking headline talking about boomy?!?!? Why does everyone hate rogue

[glass mortar]

dont think theres any gains to be had with holding adr other then holding it for mechanics you know will force downtime

[mossy shell]

Yo u just wasted it all

[glass mortar]

sims wanna just send it on cd as a generator

[mossy shell]

And then your next vanish is crap

[copper radish]

Why does wowhead and blizz hate rogue

[hybrid crown]

I think it's because other rogue specs are doing better

[daring oxide]

ye i was wondering that but sometimes sending it on cd as a generator, lets say when vanish window is very close, wouldn't it be better to use it to squeeze more BTEs out in that subterfuge?

rather than outside subterfuge

[glass mortar]

it would be like 1 more bte

🤷

sims say its best to just use on cd

[daring oxide]

ye but that BTE could be SC'd and also 7cp

[glass mortar]

like how much cdr r u cutting off on that adr

[daring oxide]

so could lead into another ace and another BTE

[glass mortar]

could be a quarter of a full use of it

[daring oxide]

just increasing your chances

right

[glass mortar]

a few less bte in a single crackshot window over the fight vs a couple less uses of adr period

[proper veldt]

I thinks its cause balance is on bottom of overalls too

[daring oxide]

well i guess it also depends as well if you got good buffs up and high momentum so CDR isn't an issue

[glass mortar]

outlaw doesnt like holding stuff in general

so i wouldnt

unless i knew i needed damage in that window for some reason

[daring oxide]

and now we do for Fatebound...

[glass mortar]

well not really

[mossy shell]

True if you use it before coup it’s wasted kinda. But then you get big cdr so surely it comes up during subterfuge.

[glass mortar]

wdym

[mossy shell]

We are probably overthinking it

[daring oxide]

we hold ADR when its up to line it up with vanish for DJ

[glass mortar]

vanish has always been flexible because it has 2 charges, you lose nothing "holding" 1 charge

u dont hold ghostly

[daring oxide]

we dont hold ghostly

[glass mortar]

u dont hold adr either that im aware of unless u have a stack of vanish already ready?

[daring oxide]

but we hold ADR

like

[mossy shell]

I think we roll on CD unless there is a particular reason not to in the next 1 to 3 globals

[glass mortar]

wheres that rule i must have missed it

[daring oxide]

if vanish is close to coming off cd

[proper veldt]

we also hold adr for ld

I guess we get the uptime we need

so it doesnt matter that much

[daring oxide]

do you ever use ADR between coups?

like if it just comes off cd

Coup > ADR > Coup

i dunno if that is ever worth

[mossy shell]

Sometimes it does, it’s not always about CDR.

[daring oxide]

honestly

[glass mortar]

this seems to imply u adr on cd

not hold it for vanish

[proper veldt]

but if you have a vanish charge ur holding it for gs

[glass mortar]

yes

[ocean lodge]

I forget, what's the point where bte becomes basically autocrit with the debuff + crit roll?

[glass mortar]

because u dont lose anything

unless u overcap 2 charges

[proper veldt]

ye

[glass mortar]

ur not wasting any cdr

[proper veldt]

aside from losing cdr on ar

but yeah

[mossy shell]

I was before, but I stopped when I started paying more attention to flawless form. If I refill combo points for coup then I waste another global or finisher during the damage.

[daring oxide]

and if GS is nearly ready and vanish charge is up you hold ADR for GS to use them both together on macro to abuse DJ

[glass mortar]

well ur not losing cdr on adr

[mossy shell]

So I just coup back to back

Even if killing spree is off cd

[glass mortar]

oh sure if u already have a vanish charge ready

[daring oxide]

i agree with this

[mossy shell]

I think I’d rather coup, coup, ADR, KS

[glass mortar]

that basically only ever happens in the opener tho

[proper veldt]

nah it happens more than that

[daring oxide]

ok thats good to know

[proper veldt]

whenever ur gs dsyncs

with ur vanishes

[glass mortar]

thats not the optimal thing to do fwiw

[cinder haven]

If both ks and coup are available I'll only ks if at finish cp

[daring oxide]

i know its not sim optimal

[glass mortar]

a coup is like 25% of the cd in cdr for kspree

ur losing a fourth of a full spree

for what, 5 flawless form stacks on it

thats 30% kspree damage

eh

[daring oxide]

but it probably feels good

its about feels

[glass mortar]

never feels good wasting cdr to me

[mossy shell]

Not if it’s a 1 combo point coup.

[glass mortar]

why would u not wanna sandwich the kspree? it even generates for u to send a full cp coup

without wasting any blades

[mossy shell]

If killing spree was off cd for the first coup then you should have sent it before.

[glass mortar]

coup > kspree > coup feels amazing setup for vanish

[mossy shell]

Because of flawless

[glass mortar]

flawless doesnt matter enough

[proper veldt]

not if you have to press sinister strike to get to finishing condition

on ks

[glass mortar]

id do coup coup kspree if i knew the pack was gunna die like right after the kspree

[daring oxide]

brb need to finish work 😭

[glass mortar]

fwiw, there are situations

[daring oxide]

enjoyed this chat

[glass mortar]

just not normally

[sonic nimbus]

!log

[proper veldt]

I only build into ks with sinister strikes if the target doesnt have fazed up

[cinder haven]

If you have no way of building for ks without ss you'll low cp coup

[proper veldt]

^

unless target doesnt have fazed up I do that, happens sometimes in m+

[glass mortar]

the whole fazed system man

why does it even exist

[cinder haven]

Yeah

[mossy shell]

Do you remember when they were going to make feint apply fazed and we were gonna use it every 5 seconds LOL

[proper veldt]

would be great now that its off gcd

xd

[mossy shell]

Bring that back

[glass mortar]

me when i can punish outlaw for swapping targets even more then normal with ghostly strike

[mossy shell]

And old killing spree

Fuck I miss killing spree

[cinder haven]

Especially coup not giving ff unless target is fazed is toxic

[proper veldt]

frfr

[daring oxide]

now thinking back, this would be amazing

the old fazed

feint being a dps button

[cinder haven]

That and ub not being trackable

[daring oxide]

brb work again

[mossy shell]

Feint is a dps button if you use it to stand in fire for uptime.

[quaint delta]

i miss ppl freaking out when i use KS when im targetted with some circle

[daring oxide]

lol i do too

[sullen wyvern]

Why is this shit so expensive now

[daring oxide]

i have to fake troll my guild now when i get mechanics cos KS doesn't do it for me anymore

[mossy shell]

Because you are buying them

[daring oxide]

Cartel pumping blasphemite prices up

[sullen wyvern]

wdym

what cartel

[quaint delta]

the capitalism cartel

[daring oxide]

sinaloa cartel

[sullen wyvern]

oh damn that shit is expensive now

[glass mortar]

plz stop

ur gunna make me crashout on a friday

they havent even (not posted) notes yet

😠

[daring oxide]

i'm all for the elusiveness perma feint spam outlaw build that makes us immortal

ogcd attacks

[glass mortar]

u realize if feint was a vdps button its tankiness would either be gone or neutered right

maybe it would give 10% aoe dr

[random stirrup]

i was informed apparently one guy (or multiple cartel members) apparently bought out the entire stock and every item involved in the supply chain

[glass mortar]

xdxd idk how u think any world exists where we feint on cd for dps

and it remains a 40% wall

[daring oxide]

we'd never know unless they stuck with the dream

[glass mortar]

yes we would

its like saying mages would get to cast barrier every 5 seconds rotationally ogcd for a dps gain

its just silly

[daring oxide]

outlaw is a silly spec

if u think about it

we've always been silly

[glass mortar]

yes its silly in it barely works coherently

[daring oxide]

exactly

its just the theme

[glass mortar]

not in that its allowed to be the most broken op shit in existence in some way

this would just be broken

not silly

[daring oxide]

nah cos it'd be tuned to do wet noodle st like it does now 😭

[glass mortar]

defensives dont belong in dps rotations

[cinder haven]

How many hours til tuning?

[daring oxide]

@realzz

i see you online

[glass mortar]

maybe as like 0.5% minmaxes for properly using them like evoker has

[daring oxide]

please fix us tonight ❤️

[glass mortar]

or monk

[hybrid crown]

Buff ambush

[pure jetty]

is 18% haste enough for KIR?

[daring oxide]

8 hours and 43mins until @realzz pushes his outlaw fixes

[glass mortar]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[cinder haven]

Nice!

[daring oxide]

if nothing happens

we scuttle this channel

https://tenor.com/view/senkan-yamato-anime-explosion-sink-gif-14767511

[cinder haven]

Shut down the discord!

[frank finch]

rtb should flip coins

thoughts?

[hybrid crown]

You can swap things like ring enchant, flask, cape fiber to hit 19%. Like maybe switch rings from haste to vers, cape to vers, but use haste flask

[late swallow]

Rtb should be empowered

[glass mortar]

if we get no buffs we should flip a coin and decide if we shut down the discord based on that

[copper radish]

Guys we gonna be waiting until midnight. I just know blizz trolling us

[glass mortar]

thoughts?

leave it up to rng

the true way

[frank finch]

poetic justice

[cinder haven]

How about, delete rtb, buff cto

[copper radish]

We should go picket blizz HQ and bring up the incident they had a few years ago and use that as blackmail to get buffs

[daring oxide]

buff CTO to 50%

delete rtb

[frank finch]

bring back sl cto

[worldly sinew]

remove target cap on Blade Flurry.. then ill be okay with the ST damage.

🙂

[daring oxide]

no

[hybrid crown]

CTO gives full duration RTB buff 👹

[cinder haven]

Cto can extend active buffs

[quaint delta]

perma 5 roll RTB with KIR duration. it's the only way

[frank finch]

yesss bitchh

[white marten]

Sept 5th. Tuning confirmed

[glass mortar]

you know i cooked up a kir rework last night but i dont think zac would like it

[worldly sinew]

Link.. I wanna read it

[glass mortar]

instead of extending ur buffs kir now locks in your buffs for a 30 second window pausing all buff timers

[white marten]

Its not out yet

[glass mortar]

during that window u can continue to proc CtO and RtB on cd and buffs will not be deleted, only overwritten by longer duration ones

then after 30s they start ticking down as normal again

[hybrid crown]

UHUH pauses RTB buffs

[jolly geyser]

Blind flashbangs the other members

[royal ermine]

I know I'm late because I just woke up but that wowhead post is fucking wild

[cinder haven]

Yeah something like that will work if they wanna dumb the spec down

[glass mortar]

like its functionally almost the same

[hybrid crown]

Blind needs like a 30 second CD in pve

[glass mortar]

but it makes kir usage more flexible and easy

[copper radish]

Guys check wowhead we got buffs 😂

[glass mortar]

and turns it into a dedicated window of just RtB on cd basically for supercharger

idk if people would like that but it fits the theme of keeping it rolling to me

[cinder haven]

But delete rtb also

Just cto and kir

[glass mortar]

a buffed cto as a choice node with rtb

[hybrid crown]

Its stupid how much some other classes have and blind has the CD it does. Like yeah we have stuns but aoe stops are super useful

[white marten]

Checks out

[glass mortar]

i prefer manual rtb tho

i wish theyd play around with it more even

[white marten]

Passive RTB

[glass mortar]

sleight should give u a double roll like ur rolling with advantage

u can roll again within X seconds ignoring its cd

[primal thistle]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[hybrid crown]

Like shaman have thunderstorm which is better than blind and has a 25 second CD, AND cap totem

[kind frost]

Guys is the nightfall cudgel better than a 720 crafted dagger? according to archon on high keys they use the cudgel again, but when simming it the dagger sims higher

[hybrid crown]

It depends on target count

For sure the 720 is better on st

[kind frost]

in general for m+ use cudgel?

[daring oxide]

I want to play a FOTM class one day

like DK

[hybrid crown]

You swap in keys depending on target count

[kind frost]

what dungeons would you run cudgel in if i may ask

[glass mortar]

use cudgel in aoe swap to dagger in st

[hybrid crown]

I imagine 720 oh means it has to be like 5+ for cudgel to win tho

[glass mortar]

in dungeons

[torpid fiber]

You can swap midkey

[kind frost]

ah ok

[glass mortar]

yea u can probably skip cudgel in streets pretty safely

i use it everywhere else tho

[kind frost]

Thanks a lot guys

[glass mortar]

maybe wear it in the first section but it wont make a big difference

[hybrid crown]

That little purple explode effect is the cudgel. Its good for us because vanish resets the proc only on trash pulls

When in a boss encounter vanish doesn't reset it

[torpid fiber]

It's one of the catchup items of all time

[glass mortar]

me when my alt catchup item is bis vs mythic offhands

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[torpid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

It's such a good image

[worldly sinew]

I feel this in my bones.

[quaint delta]

aw i dont see a way to downrank him on raider.io

[glass mortar]

guys imagine how hard zacs gunna crash out tonight if the notes come out and we get like a 5% template buff and another BF nerf

[cinder haven]

3% aura buff

[safe pasture]

are there supposed to be balance changes ?

[glass mortar]

3% aura buff, 2.79% bf nerf

[cinder haven]

We are speculating

[glass mortar]

outlaws fixed

wait an aura buff isnt specific enough tho

20% kspree buff, 3% bf nerf

we'll get those filthy outlaws to stop cancelling their new spell

[bright crane]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/should-boomkins-close-their-class-discord-to-get-single-target-buffs-boss-damage-378425?utm_source=discord-webhook

Meanwhile look who’s at the bottom rofl

[glass mortar]

im talking about this with some priest friends and had to point out all 3 rogue specs are under boomkin on mythic fract logs

[grim spear]

we should close this discord ngl

[bright crane]

Actual comedy

What’s the point

Not enough people play rogue for it to matter

[warm fractal]

this

[slate forge]

Guys getting your hopium to high class is yellow = no changes

[torpid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1265638924580159488/outlaw.gif

[warm fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

[sudden fulcrum]

Mods should ban every person that suggests closing the discord because even if it’s a joke it’s sooo old at this point

[cinder relic]

THe paladin shutdown didn't get them buffed tho

[cinder relic]

Literally

[warm fractal]

yes it did, 5% came immediately after they threw their hissy fit

like next day

[cinder relic]

Lets use our critical thinking skills for a moment

[ocean lodge]

I don't think that's why they did it.

[torpid fiber]

They needed the buff

[ocean lodge]

I really don't.

[warm fractal]

maybe not causation but correlation no doubt

[cinder relic]

Do you think the discord being closed, got the buffed

[sweet iron]

the board at blizzard called an emergency meeting that night yes

[ocean lodge]

They didn't. The 4set did more than the buff, they arguably overperform now.

[quaint delta]

maybe the ret dev was in the discord, saw it was closed, and was like .... heuh? and then gave them a buff (also, no)

[slate forge]

John blizzard himself saw the closed discord and put the buff in himself that very night

[hybrid crown]

Maybe they pushed through a tuning change they already had planned

[cinder relic]

If we banned people for bad jokes this server would be a ghost town also

[hybrid crown]

Wasn't it like just ret that got a change that day

[ocean lodge]

I group with a very "good" ret so it's very hard for me to believe they aren't overtuned lol

[hybrid crown]

Idr

[ocean lodge]

just deletes the outlaw channel

[slate forge]

Should have closed it the moment these hero talents launched tbh

[glass mortar]

what ret discord did was one of the cringest silly moments imaginable especially after like 5 tiers in a row of ret being giga to rock solid

[safe pasture]

can anyone explain the logic of the mastery over crit ? is it for the energy aspect of it or

[warm fractal]

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if ten voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

[glass mortar]

anyone who unironically thinks we should shut down rogue discord

if it wasnt clear the title of the wowhead post was engagement bait

like they usually are

[ocean lodge]

I think we could do it as a joke for april fools or something

but lol no

[cinder relic]

Making a joke = engagement bait..?

[ocean lodge]

We all agree rets will NEVER live that down, right?

[cinder relic]

Do words mean anything to anybody

[glass mortar]

yes jokes can absolutely be engagement bait

[slate forge]

I mean the comments got baited pretty hard

[grim spear]

[ocean lodge]

Every time we have a ret and they aren't on top, there's like a 1/4 chance someone will say "shut down the discord"

[cinder relic]

If you genuinely got "baited" by that title you might have low IQ

[glass mortar]

reading the comments it seems like alot of people did so

[copper radish]

Sticks and stone may break my bones but words won’t hurt me

[keen belfry]

welcome to social media foreverguy

[sweet iron]

everything is bait its 2025

[glass mortar]

but i also dont disagree that if u took the title seriously u might have a low iq

[keen belfry]

same

but thats just how it works

[ocean lodge]

I mean at this point WoWhead is basically no better than a tabloid you'd find at the market lol

[glass mortar]

u wont find me defending the people who type comments on wowhead news articles

[copper radish]

I wonder what everyone would discover about themselves if outlaw disc was closed. What would everyone do with their lives

[glass mortar]

or about 50% of them anyway

[ocean lodge]

I'd get a prism and play sub

[late swallow]

https://preview.redd.it/finally-an-award-worthy-of-the-sub-v0-s7tyshtjgbnc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=06efd448b4a30a4261390670b4a0d906ebfb1f70

[keen belfry]

they are still a business that relies on interactions, so they are doing what everyone would do. hell even we are now baited by its bait debating if the bait is infact bait

[rough oriole]

We wouldnt close our class discord we are gentlemen

[copper radish]

Rogue being the least played class would they even notice if we stopped 😂

[grim spear]

Just shut it down for now, nothing more to say, it's not even playable

[ocean lodge]

Personally I just hope they don't butcher us in midnight lol

If they take crackshot we riot

[grim spear]

at least make some change

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1405812330574647367/arms_deadge.gif

[copper radish]

Get ready for PISTOLS and BTE being the main rotations

[ocean lodge]

I genuinely think crackshot is the best addition combat/outlaw has ever had.

[copper radish]

Outlaw aka devourer

[slate forge]

Then everyone says blizzard doesn’t balance around a shitty wow head article then they do again and again….

[ocean lodge]

that and underhand

[glass mortar]

the problem is people assume correlation

[copper radish]

10/10 they remove that just watch

[ocean lodge]

this entire discord will riot

i bet

lol

[glass mortar]

if a wowhead post has raw data of a spec doing 10% less dps then everyone else, then a few days later blizzard buffs that spec

[cinder relic]

They dont?

[safe pasture]

isnt that what got the bf bug fixed

[glass mortar]

idk why ud assume that blizzard buffed that spec because of a wowhead post

[safe pasture]

bring back bf bug i say

[glass mortar]

blizzard has access to the same data wowhead does guys

[copper radish]

Hey we played all of SL without UH and crackshot

[hybrid crown]

If they do it the reason is because no one plays outlaw and they want more people to play it

[cinder relic]

blizzard has access to BETTER data than wowhead does

[glass mortar]

mhm

[ocean lodge]

I think they just buffed paladin because of how bad they were without the 4set

[slate forge]

And they don’t stop coming and they don’t stop coming……

[ocean lodge]

then they got the 4set and now they're stupid lol

[hybrid crown]

I hope in that sense they make outlaw more approachable without getting rid of what we enjoy about it

[grim spear]

so blz is doing this to us on purpose

that's even worse

[fluid iron]

id be all alone cuz im funny af

[cinder relic]

Yes blizzard on purpose made Outlaw ST weak to personally offend this discord

[ocean lodge]

There definitely does seem to be a paladin bias though, whenever paladin has a problem it's fixed in like a week.

[copper radish]

He pre typed that

[proven ocean]

and blizzard utilizes it the least

[slate forge]

Blizzard must be taken a while to get through that data since they have put less than 40 hours of work towards rogue on all of war within

[glass mortar]

i dont know if i even agree, but it probably should be the case that if a dps spec that is the only dps role for its class is very bad, it gets looked at fast

obviously not everyone likes to flex between specs

[cinder relic]

Outlaw just got undertuned this season, the shit end of the stick, it sucks but it happens to every spec in the game, tuning patches will probably start next week, I'd honest expect Outlaw buffs with how weak its ST is rn

[glass mortar]

its a lot easier for a pure dps to avoid being "bad" in raid then a hybrid with 1 dps spec tho

[ocean lodge]

tell that to windwalker, oy vey

[grim spear]

not just "undertuned"

[timber rune]

should i watch one piece?

[ocean lodge]

absolutely

[modern tapir]

no

[hybrid crown]

No

[glass mortar]

WWs been fine this last expac since its rework no?

strong s2, mid s1, mid now

i mean rets mid now

[grim spear]

no just "undertuned"

[ocean lodge]

it sure ain't mid in m+

[copper radish]

“Three years later…..” till ur done watching that 😂

[grim spear]

its ignorance, ngl

[glass mortar]

well im talking about raid tuning with all this

[grim spear]

to ignore is the greatest form of arrogance.

[fluid iron]

sub buffs then, cuz its also shit on single target

[glass mortar]

blizzard tunes for m+ alot less then they tune for raid

[fluid iron]

gotcha

[cinder relic]

LIterally

[timber rune]

i have nothing but time

[fluid iron]

big up on the sub buffs

[ocean lodge]

doesn't sub burst single target for like 20 mil or some ludicrous shit

[fluid iron]

they would go hard

the fuck does burst have to do with it?

when it ends at piss dmg

[glass mortar]

ok but stealthi it is a little funny that all 3 rogue specs are worse on the ST "patchwerk" fight then boomkin on logs

buff rouge

[vivid vessel]

idk if you are serious

[ocean lodge]

didn't look piss to me at the end of the mythic kills.

[magic shuttle]

I wouldn't mind sub st buffs just so I never play sin on the patchwerk bosses

[vivid vessel]

ngl

cant tell

xd

[fluid iron]

semi

50/50

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[cinder relic]

Sub ST is bad, but the game doesn't ask to be good in ST in a vacuum

[vivid vessel]

gotta be trolling a bit ye

[grim spear]

[vivid vessel]

ye sub is bad on fractilus

how unfortunate

[grim spear]

so what do we have in raid

man

[fluid iron]

yes buff sub

[vivid vessel]

best spec in the game on last 2 bosses tho

[glass mortar]

sub will be good on fract when kill timer is 3:25 seconds

[cinder relic]

Correct?

[glass mortar]

[fluid iron]

so i can do more dmg on single target bosses

[hybrid crown]

Two fights we absolutely slap on

[glass mortar]

you are just waiting to scale

to the correct kill timer

[worldly sinew]

Sub already got Temu-BF they dont need anything else.

[cinder relic]

Nobody is disagreeing here

[vivid vessel]

which are both about 10 times more pull couint than the 6 first bosses

[hybrid crown]

To make up for it a fight designed to make us angery

[glass mortar]

imagine the fight ending right after ur trinket usage and big 3m go

[magic shuttle]

Sub also banger spec on araz

[fluid iron]

i got outdmg'd by arcane and Fdk on nexus king

[glass mortar]

actually what is subs optimal kill timer, how long is ur 3 minute go

[fluid iron]

buff sub

[modern tapir]

get better or

[worldly sinew]

Buff Rogue*

Fixed this garbage Fazed*
Let me target swap properly*
Etc.

[fluid iron]

i tried my best

it just wasent enough

[proven ocean]

not really

sub will be good if they make dance charges come up like they did in SL

[cinder relic]

Sub sucks, buff sub

[proven ocean]

and not relyant on amps and post kill timer

it needs better dance charges

[fluid iron]

tru and real guy

[proven ocean]

thats it

who gives a shit about buffs or nerfs

[modern tapir]

#buffsub

[cinder relic]

Yep true, we need major buffs

[proven ocean]

sub is good it just needs rework

[cinder relic]

lol

[copper radish]

Sub looks too strong 🤦‍♂️

[proven ocean]

lol

[fluid iron]

its just what happens when majority of your dmg is tied to your 90s cds, its fun being that bursty but it also means if kill timers dont favor you, you get shafted

i would like for them to dial back the power of flag a bit

and bake it more into dances itself

[proven ocean]

i feel like every sub player i talk to

[copper radish]

When was the last time that outlaw had some burst?

[proven ocean]

his brain is all about raid

no offense

but

if u play high M+

you'll see how bad sub can deplete ur runs

[fluid iron]

and they need to up deepening shadows to 0.7-0.8

[cinder relic]

never

[vivid vessel]

they need to nerf sub

so hard

like 50% aura nerf

so that maybe we can play other specs in prog

for once

eh actually maybe 80% aura

[hybrid crown]

Remember last season we had vexie keys and the magnet. Huge ST Cds

[vivid vessel]

80% aura and no damage amp tier

and no aoe burst phase

and no downtime

[proven ocean]

8 target mob bosses

[vivid vessel]

5

[stuck sparrow]

with constant movement

[vivid vessel]

ye

that soundss good

[proven ocean]

actually

2 mob fight bosses that never move never get any dr

no downtime

all 8 bosses

same mechanics

same playstyle

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

increase ur rng by 1000%

[stuck sparrow]

no boss should always move

fuck the casters

[proven ocean]

so u always roll 6 buffs

[mighty pivot]

they need a tier of only soul hunter bosses

[vivid vessel]

bro soul hunter is litteraly a caster bnoss

soul hunter but without intermissions

then we can have a talk

and 5 targets not 3

[hybrid crown]

You can hit the flying ones from the ground I think

[vivid vessel]

yes

[hybrid crown]

Hmmmmm

[vivid vessel]

thats why im saying its a caster boss

[hybrid crown]

Bte the flying dude while standing by the intermission dude

[vivid vessel]

yes i kjnoiw

[hybrid crown]

I didn't think of that

[vivid vessel]

its still a caster boss

[cinder relic]

This is like the first caster tier is so many years it feels like

[hybrid crown]

I guess so but I like it as outlaw we still kick ass more than most mele on it I'd say

[grim spear]

[hybrid crown]

Maybe small sample size

Idk

[cinder relic]

Outlaw/sub are very good on that fight

For a melee DPS anyway

Not rlly a sample size thing

[magic shuttle]

you mean play asssa on prog instead

[exotic warren]

they should bring cannonball barrage back, that would solve all issues

[glass mortar]

make kspree use a cannon instead of our gun

we can pull it out of our back pocket

[cinder relic]

Yeah I'm sure there would be no meltdown at giving rogue DND

"WHY IS THIS EVEN DND WHY ISNT THIS JUST ACTIVE AROUND THE PLAYER, OR JUST ACTIVATE OFF BF, THE ENTIRE SPEC IS BF AND THERES THIS RANDOM ABILITY WITH NO SYNERGY"

"I PLACE IT DOWN AND IN M+ YOU HAVE TO MOVE AND BOSSES HAVE TO MOVE ARE YOU SERIOUS FUCK BLIZZARD"

[random stirrup]

cannonball starfall

[glass mortar]

thats why u just make us whip out a cannon and start going to town during kspree

[worldly sinew]

Problem Solved.

[glass mortar]

and buff its damage by at least 400% since cannonballs should obviously do 4X the damage of regular bullets

[random stirrup]

the forbidden melee spread cleave niche

[gaunt phoenix]

our mastery should summon a cannonball barrage, and increase opp chance, and increase CTO chance, and increase gun damage, and summon a ghost ship

[copper radish]

Cannonball barrage making a comeback for midnight 👀

[cinder relic]

True

[gaunt phoenix]

thoughts ?

[exotic warren]

i think cannonball barrage was more similar to meteor if i recall correctly

[copper radish]

I’ve always wanted barrage back 🔥

[wooden pilot]

Seems balanced, ship it

[civic void]

Make it increase target cap and range because why not

[copper radish]

Can’t wait to see that pirate ship being summoned outta thin air and just annihilating our enemies

[quaint delta]

ahoy mateys

just like that rare in timeless isle

[daring oxide]

Yes this sounds very american style and I'm all for it, I want to summon a ghostly pirate AC-130 to rain cannonball barrage upon my foes this will make Outlaw PEAK

https://tenor.com/view/ac-130-transformers-ac130-airstrike-pelikan-helldivers-gif-9328928069378985569

[hybrid crown]

After 25 killing blows

Wait that was tactical nuke I think

[daring oxide]

nah after 25 SS

press sinister strike 25 times back to back, summon Ghostly AC-130 to destroy your target

[hybrid crown]

Do you get to control the cannon though

[daring oxide]

if blizzard are capable of doing something like that then do it!

[hybrid crown]

Only works outdoors

[daring oxide]

otherwise just let it prio my current target and splash everything around it :0

[vivid vessel]

blizzard wasnt even capable of making a half decent ks rework

[daring oxide]

legit though

how cool would it be to see a ghostly pirate ship circle above you

raining cannonballs on your target

fuck me

stiffy moment

[random stirrup]

if blozar made that it would be giant and block your camera view

[daring oxide]

fuck apex talents bring in ultimate talents

[glass mortar]

that would take me pretty far out of it since that is very different from anything rogue does

what are we arcane mages

how are we summoning magical vessels in the sky

[daring oxide]

its not magical though

[glass mortar]

id prefer if it was a ship offscreen that was ur own

[daring oxide]

its ghostly pirates

what part of that is magical

[glass mortar]

thats magical

[daring oxide]

no

i disagree

[glass mortar]

til ghostly pirates flying in the sky arent magical

what do u think holy and shadow is

[daring oxide]

ok so you saying we were a magical spec in legion?

using dreadblades

?

[glass mortar]

yes

[daring oxide]

magical swords?!

[glass mortar]

wasnt dreadblades literally a cursed sword

[daring oxide]

ok then whats wrong with being magical

[glass mortar]

what do u think a curse is

is a curse magic vai

[daring oxide]

yes

good

so this ghost pirate ship is a curse

[glass mortar]

we dont have it anymore tho

[daring oxide]

that follows us everywhere

[glass mortar]

we gave up all our magic juice

[daring oxide]

i do its in my bags

[glass mortar]

to stop the sword

yea but its depowered remember

do u even lore vai

[daring oxide]

nah i still have some left, as an outlaw i never gave my juice to stop the sword

i pretended to

and kept the power to myself

[glass mortar]

uhuh

[daring oxide]

UHUH

exactly

[glass mortar]

yea no a flying magic pirate ship would be very cringe and take me out of it, i want rogue to have some fancier moments

that is not rogue tho

[daring oxide]

fancier moments

[glass mortar]

thats some ret paladin nonsense

[daring oxide]

like coins falling out of our pockets

[copper radish]

We had it in the past tho

[glass mortar]

no

[daring oxide]

🙂

[glass mortar]

coins are pathetic

u think i think rogue right now has good moments

[daring oxide]

ok what fancy moments have we had

[slate forge]

Sinister strike is so cool 😎

[glass mortar]

none

[daring oxide]

cos ive never experienced a fancy moment as a rogue

[glass mortar]

i just said i want us to have them

just not that degree of absurdity

[daring oxide]

ok then ghost ac-130 is fancy

ok

[glass mortar]

to some it might be fancy

[daring oxide]

what if its out of view then

[glass mortar]

to me it would be very silly

[daring oxide]

and its just a standard cannonball barrage?

[glass mortar]

if its out of view thats fine

idc if ur headcannon is u have a orbital pirate ghost ship firing them or its ur own ship offscreen

[daring oxide]

i mean

[glass mortar]

i mean i wouldnt hate a cannonball barage i dont really see how it would fit in our aoe design

[daring oxide]

we do cosmic damage

[glass mortar]

but i love ground based aoes

[daring oxide]

my ghost pirate ship is gonna be a fucking cosmic terror machine

[hybrid crown]

They can just make it an audio queue "AC 130 inbound" everyone hears it

[daring oxide]

yeah but

i want them to call it

'DREADNOUGHT INBOUND'

[slate forge]

Just make ks work like breath so I can keep my apm and have a dps cd

[daring oxide]

BOOM BOOM BOOMMMMMMMM

[glass mortar]

trueeee

we already have AR breath, we need kspree breath as well

[magic shuttle]

ok after playing a bit more of fb I'm starting to really enjoy aligning gs with vanish

and the occasional ar

[glass mortar]

yea its a good rule change

[copper radish]

If they add in barber shop options for it that’ll be the greatest ability in the game

[daring oxide]

so do we spontanously grow 2 extra arms so we can keep shooting pistols while attacking with swords?

[glass mortar]

no the way kspree animation continues to try to melee swing is very stupid

i wish theyd fixed it i complained about it for all of ptr

should just override ur MG procs animation while ur casting it

[copper radish]

Are outlaw updates on alpha yet?

[daring oxide]

Jade martin told me Outlaw is being reworked into a 'Commander' style spec, we command pirates and our vessels to lay waste to our enemies, our personal attacks dont do anything but our summoned mateys will deal devastating damage to our foes

[gaunt phoenix]

alpha

[daring oxide]

tonight in 7hours and 37mins

[copper radish]

I heard we gonna be ranged like 25yards aka the rogue version of devourer

[daring oxide]

bring it, its about time and then we basically get acro back????

[slate forge]

We’re going to be a tank spec

[daring oxide]

[copper radish]

Get yeeeerrrr PISTOLS READY

[hybrid crown]

You can go to various pirates in the story to add them to your crew

[daring oxide]

@formal knot if we get cannonball barrage back in our rework, wanna make a bet?

[copper radish]

If we could pick pocket allies and take their gold that would be a sick update to pick pocket

[daring oxide]

opps

i mean @glass mortar

[copper radish]

I’d sit in the capital and just rob people left n right like a true rogue

[glass mortar]

what

[daring oxide]

if we get cannonball barrage back in our rework, wanna make a bet?

[formal knot]

[daring oxide]

[glass mortar]

sure

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1336018651068891207.webp?size=96

[slate forge]

Give us jastor diamond passive fk them other dps

[glass mortar]

u still owe me a mega cooked kspree rework for 12.0 btw

dont think ive forgotten

what are the terms this time

[copper radish]

What’s the over under on mastery change for outlaw

Whose got the bets

[glass mortar]

50/50 just like crit chance

either it happens or it doesnt

[copper radish]

Just like our coins

[daring oxide]

OK ill write it

right now

im on my way home in taxi so good time to draft something

[copper radish]

They should just remake fatebound into some pirate hero build

[hybrid crown]

But then it doesn't work for the other spec that uses it

[slate forge]

They can have poison pirates and krakens

[copper radish]

We only play outlaw here what other specs

[hybrid crown]

Right I was thinking which of those lame dagger specs got fatebound idk

[copper radish]

3 seasons and they haven’t even touched it lol

[slate forge]

Not like cosmic coins has anything to do with assa either

[glass mortar]

its completely made up fantasy because they couldnt think of a real overlap between the two

its w/e

[daring oxide]

our mastery will change to % chance to summon Ghostly AC-130 when pressing finisher

[glass mortar]

i felt seen when the last boss of eco dome was talking about how our fates were bound

i was like hey thats me

im the guy

(except im not because id never touch fatebound in a dungeon)

[copper radish]

Animations gonna be sick when we do like a run jump onto it and then rip into a KS frenzy style animation of cannonballs and pistols and BtEs

[hybrid crown]

SI7 hero tree

Replace fb

[daring oxide]

@glass mortar im using canva to make this

[cinder relic]

I think if FB had the current tier set baked into it all expac, and had better visuals, people would like it a lot more overall

[copper radish]

If ghostly triggered a coin all season fatebound woulda been great

[glass mortar]

for sure current tier set should be baked in, its a good rule for vanishing and it makes lucky coin opener guarenteed on raid bosses

[cinder relic]

And then ofc, not losing st in aoe

[daring oxide]

with the DJ bug?

[dawn talon]

i rly think that rogue should be elegant instead of like super fantasy oriented

[glass mortar]

we could stand to have a few more visuals

but i largely agree

we arent supposed to be hyper flashy

[daring oxide]

however we only guaranteed to get Lucky coin due to DJ bug right? @glass mortar

[vivid vessel]

eh

[slate forge]

I want cool gun sounds

[vivid vessel]

the gs thing is alreadyd doing a lot vai

[drowsy ridge]

Outlaw should be more gritty and less elegant. We are the dirty fighters, going toe to toe and cheating to win

[zealous lantern]

just came back from not playing since s1 how bad is it

[daring oxide]

you mean regarding lucky coin or?

[vivid vessel]

y

[daring oxide]

ye but without the double jeopardy bug

theres still a chance we'd not get lucky coin in opener right

[vivid vessel]

ye

[daring oxide]

although our lucky coin chances would still be significantly higher thanks to GS edge case anyways

[vivid vessel]

yes

fatebound should be like 3 chain

or 4

[daring oxide]

i kinda hope they fix DJ bug

[vivid vessel]

just a thing you hit up regularly

its stupiud

[daring oxide]

yeah

[fair oak]

Someone send a cat quick !!!!!!

[vivid vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1384149071106932799/1387523703100674100/togif-3.gif

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-massachusetts-microwave-gif-6177376271775336621

[daring oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357017048483631177/1403259473023205487/ezgif-60d90e8b5adbe6.gif

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-8915831303111826392

[fair oak]

Thank you very much have a lovely day

[zealous lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/889817121507393536/1377153149399203901/2x.avif

[proven ocean]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1276235724722667683/1306354451031920783/nk-image-edit-caption-gdn6nxus.gif?ex=68bbf024&is=68ba9ea4&hm=fa286b12ac2f1dcb85c2868f63d6411e3cf66f2ca6c09275979d6249e67fe8f6&=&width=438&height=450

[normal forge]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[dawn talon]

absolutely lol, i would never argue against that

[glass mortar]

its why kspree annoys me

[dawn talon]

we have so many reused animations among our core spells it's kinda sad

[glass mortar]

we almost got a banger new visual

and the way ur mastery breaks the animation

its such a easy thing to fix too

[worldly sinew]

the fact that pistol shot didnt get made into mastery is kinda.. wild to me

[oblique trench]

i crafted a ring and a 1h sword, what do i do next another ring or neck?

[worldly sinew]

"Pull out a hidden pistol n blast ur target" .. you mean main gauche? lol

[worldly sinew]

Ring probably, but check ur sims.

[glacial shore]

Sup Outlaws!

[glass mortar]

👋

[strong halo]

so i know you blade furry into stealth at start of keys but sometimes BF expires before i make it to pack

[glass mortar]

why do u not have adr up

[strong halo]

i thought u saved for pack opener?

[glass mortar]

why would you save it

ur at 0 cp in stealth with no adr

u'll still have 7 cp when u get to the pack

[merry harness]

Use it before key bro

[slate forge]

Bf roll AR stealth

[merry harness]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[strong halo]

^ you open with AR

no?

[merry harness]

Yes

[glass mortar]

doesnt matter at all

[gaunt phoenix]

you can ar before

[glass mortar]

unless ur fatebound

u dont proc anything off casting adr as trickster

[strong halo]

so i AR to hold BF?

[glass mortar]

and to build cp

[slate forge]

You can AR at any time the combo points don’t go away after the bubble

[glass mortar]

it does everything it would do if u opened with it on a pack if u press it before u run up to them

fatebounds adr throws coins that do damage so u want a target and to break stealth with it generally

for trickster it doesnt matter

[strong halo]

so BF > AR > Stealth to keep all

[glass mortar]

can also BF > stealth > AR

the order of the ar doesnt matter it doesnt break stealth

[strong halo]

but then BF expires

[glass mortar]

why? bf lasts 12s

[strong halo]

Arak 1st pull sometimes takes that long idk

[slate forge]

If you ar pre key you can use the loaded dice too as you will get another one for two chances at 5 buff

[bright crane]

am i trippin - did io get adjusted down?

[glass mortar]

wdym

[bright crane]

i left for vaca at 3k

[glass mortar]

3 seconds until the gate opens

[bright crane]

now im at 2914

[glass mortar]

BF > stealth

gate opens

AR

now run to the pack

[strong halo]

kk

ty

[glass mortar]

u can do it before stealth if u want doesnt matter, all the matters is pressing RtB with ur initial loaded dice and then adr after to get another loaded dice

and making sure u cast that adr after the gate opens

if u wer eplaying fatebound in a key ud want to open with ar so u might run into bf falling off issues but you'll just need to delay bf in that case

[strong halo]

forgot that AR doesnt break stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

weran

so much yap

over a simple question

[glass mortar]

well its not completely unlikely u play fatebound in a key and the rules for the opener would be quite different then the ones we explained

like this could be a real issue for fatebound right

[gaunt phoenix]

ya fatebound opens with macro

[cinder haven]

You can open with bf just fine tho?

Just don't finish

[glass mortar]

well the opener describes pre BFing

if u pre BF it might literally fall off on some keys before u start dpsing the mobs

since u dont want to cast adr until u are opening

[cinder haven]

Yeah but on ara as fb I'd probably not bf before stealth

[glass mortar]

fatebound ara ara sounds like u chose to suffer anyway tho so

[cinder haven]

True

[glass mortar]

just play trickster and dont worry about any of this ez

[cinder haven]

Just saying that it's not the end of the world if you can't open with adr macro

solo correct me if I'm wrong

[glass mortar]

idk itd be pretty bad tho

imagine first pull of ara ara and u dont open with macro so u get no lucky coin entire pull

[cinder haven]

But you don't lose double joepardy

[glass mortar]

or for the first couple minutes

6% agi missing

[gaunt phoenix]

bf > macro should work

[cinder haven]

Unless you bte

Ye

See

[gaunt phoenix]

however on dimensius it doesnt

you have to /cancelaura stealth before taking portal

then it works

[cinder haven]

Bf, bte, macro would be ass

Why doesn't breaking stealth with something else work on Dom?

[glass mortar]

i assume the portal breaking stealth breaks the stuff that makes u flip additional coins with ghostly and adr or something

you need to break it with ur own spell

[cinder haven]

Ah

Makes sense

[gaunt phoenix]

only the knowers know that

[glass mortar]

im gunna giga parse with this new dimi knowledge

gunna push 5m dps this time i swear

[golden lark]

Is Outlaw just insanely weak in st or something?

I feel shitty and on big pulls i cant keep up either 😂

[cinder haven]

Trickster ST is indeed cooked

[glass mortar]

our m+ build is fairly weak st

and yes ur also capped so u wont ever look good on uncapped pulls

people also tend to only pull uncapped when dps have cds ready so

it doubles down on that issue

[cinder haven]

Ask tank to make a new route where each pull is exactly 8 mobs

Like some people

[magic shuttle]

and get the physical dps comp while you're at it

[glass mortar]

tried a HoA 14 and the guardian did the usual 15 mob first pull onto the shard and when we wiped with me at 15m and the other dps both closer to 25m and bricked the key he was like ???? rogue trollin

people still invite outlaw to keys without knowing how it works

[drowsy ridge]

We still likely get stomped even at capped 8 targets per pull too

[glass mortar]

if people have cds yea

or for a select few specs even if they dont

[slate forge]

And get beat in prio too 🙂

[glass mortar]

yes

that ones pretty new to this season tho

[cinder haven]

We have anti prio on both builds

[vivid vessel]

every season outlaw get a worse damage profile

its impressive tbh

cause it already starts from the fucking lowest of the lows

[slate forge]

No one has a profile quite as bad as outlaw its unique though

[vivid vessel]

but rogue devs are talented

[late swallow]

what's gonna be our niche in midnight?

[slate forge]

Pc buff

[glass mortar]

what is our niche now

[drowsy ridge]

Devs have ideas and stuff, its the balance team that doesn't seem to think we should be able to do ANYTHING

[glass mortar]

just aoe padding on any content where PC damage is relevant

[late swallow]

the sandbag niche

[glass mortar]

or what

[magic shuttle]

I wonder how much does a geared outlaw profile sim for on patchwerk at this point of the tier

[frank finch]

our niche is movemnt now

nothing else

[golden epoch]

Any idea if the rogue devs read this, and hate you guys so keep making Outlaw even worse? lol

[slate forge]

There is no dev never was

[cinder haven]

Pad

[glass mortar]

they do read it im sure from time to time, as for if they hate us who knows, as for if they are making us worse on purpose thats a bit silly to believe

[lethal oak]

They don't hate all of us, just Zac

We are punished for his sins

[glass mortar]

everytime zac ER bugs on stream realz reduces our profile by another 0.001%

[cinder haven]

Ofc there's no malicious intent

[glass mortar]

real(z)

[golden epoch]

I was joking. But thinking about it, I guess it would be better for them if they were being malicious, otherwise it exposes their incompetence.

[jolly geyser]

all decent devs already working on exp after midnight

I mean good

[cinder haven]

They are all working on the outlaw rework guys !

[glass mortar]

[frank finch]

all decent devs r working on the last titan

[glass mortar]

cant wait

what if the last titan is an outlaw rogue

[frank finch]

[glass mortar]

a fatebound one infact

[jolly geyser]

they will make outlaw a tank

[cinder haven]

The last outlaw rogue

Doesn't sound promising

[jolly geyser]

outlaw rogue sends pirates to take dmg,like the trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

i think trickster 2fth is very close to peak if you ignore your damage

like some trickster changes it would legit be peak outlaw

[glass mortar]

yea it needs some touch ups but its a fun loop

[cinder haven]

Gameplay is fun

[jolly geyser]

make builders stronger

[gaunt phoenix]

i've been trying 1fth again with sleight

kinda vibing

[cinder haven]

Make SS much cheaper

[gaunt phoenix]

SS cheaper every time it doesnt proc

[magic shuttle]

It's a feels good talent point for sure

[drowsy ridge]

I miss Vigor

[jolly geyser]

same

[magic shuttle]

I like it on trickster but I'm not sure fatebound wants ld

[jolly geyser]

also before game starts, remove gs,dogshit

[lethal oak]

Give us 600 energy

[cinder haven]

FB tier set is the swan song of GS surely

[gaunt phoenix]

i like the 50% GS damage on it

like 0.8% dps

while other half of the tier is 15% dps

[mighty pivot]

or they will double down

[stark viper]

GS is always just enough to use it lol

[frank finch]

should of added gs no longer costs energy

[cinder haven]

Ye

[golden lark]

Ah, it seems we're in no luck then.. might reroll

[mighty pivot]

GS should be back on gcd and give it a different effect like allow it to always proc CTO

[cinder haven]

Tuning is only hours away surely

Vai promised

[golden lark]

Its ridiculous having +95 parses but still getting destroyed by other specs parsing 60

[strong halo]

@glass mortar ty ty so much cleaner opener

felt great like that

[proper veldt]

Throw back to getting outdpsed by a 7% parse

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/grammar-correction-iron-man-have-should-of-could-of-gif-16012313102198880507

[daring oxide]

@glass mortar Here you go Killing Spree rework + some stuff to accompany it

[covert kestrel]

Vurai hopecore titles are back

[frank finch]

[lethal oak]

[glass mortar]

[cinder haven]

I guess that's why they made ks the way they did

[glass mortar]

this is a hyper cook

good stuff good stuff

[late swallow]

wtf is this real?

[glass mortar]

consider ur debt paid

[late swallow]

notorious

[magic shuttle]

Ignore the container would imply they'd need to explain what it is ingame first

[cinder haven]

If it was main target only it would suck when target dies

[daring oxide]

important to note I reduced KS channel time to 0.8seconds

[gaunt phoenix]

why

[daring oxide]

brings back MFD vibes

[gaunt phoenix]

that would be extremely degen

[daring oxide]

we are degen no

[late swallow]

pog degen gameplay

[daring oxide]

gives us trash execution madness

[cinder haven]

Why force ks to interact with BF though

[glass mortar]

this was owed to me from a bet dont take it too seriously solo

[late swallow]

notorious buff uptime farming

[glass mortar]

trying to time the execute with a 0.8s cast would be very funny

[daring oxide]

ya its just an exaggerated cook

[glass mortar]

0.8s window to get ur resets

[cinder haven]

Why not just soft capped aoe around you

[glass mortar]

now this is a skill ceiling

[daring oxide]

ideally its like this so killing spree is basically bladestorm, that would be ideal

[late swallow]

outlaw back to having 20 players with this one

[frank finch]

holy shmoly

[proven ocean]

i think this is extremely good wdym

[covert kestrel]

As God intended

[magic shuttle]

The notorious mastery build

[cinder haven]

We have more?

[late swallow]

i think we cranked it up to 30-40 this last patch

i really like this cook

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ashley-re4-crank-hog-resident-evil-4-gif-10619676181707888931

[daring oxide]

I could probably balanced that more by only letting it reset Killing Spree only when the target dies during KS

[stiff vector]

what about reworking KS to hit main target+making it do x% execute damage, and either having a talent(or just baking it into KS itself) called something like "Pirate's Powder" where KS cleave does a small dmg on impact+leaves a Fire DoT on the target that is uncapped(reduced beyond 8t).

[frank finch]

or leave it as is and remove it from restless

[daring oxide]

Wouldnt it be simpler to just make Killing Spree be like Bladestorm then (or akin to Overwatch's Reaper ult Death Blossom?)

[jolly geyser]

make KS like wake of ashes and it applies all shit on targets

[daring oxide]

What does Wake of Ashes do btw?

[cinder haven]

Shitstorm?

[jolly geyser]

no idea and my ret is 704

[daring oxide]

i see

so you mean the 14 yards in front part?

[jolly geyser]

[covert kestrel]

Make killing spree a typing tutor where we have to type out the pledge of allegiance and every letter we get right is a new shot

[glass mortar]

wake activates their wings now also fwiw

with the talent they usually run

[daring oxide]

@glass mortar any feedback btw

[frank finch]

typing of the dead is a goateed game

[daring oxide]

I actually wanna see the outlaws in this discord start cooking up what they think our apex talents will be

will be fun to read everything