outlaw

[cinder haven]

This is a snowball spec

Sadly also mistakes will snowball

Usually shows up in the form of low uptime on adrenaline rush

[brisk lotus]

i just feel like im doing less damage than people below 700 ilvl

[shell fossil]

are you playing hidden opportunity?

[brisk lotus]

i am not

playing keep it rolling

[torpid fiber]

What dps are you hitting? Your ST is going to feel like ass unfortunately

[cinder haven]

Are you making sure to only vanish with adrenaline rush up?

[shell fossil]

the 678 offhand helps a lot right now at least on trash, st does feel bad rn even in 4set and 720 oh

[brisk lotus]

i was using vanish to reset between tjhe eyes

[cinder haven]

That'll be the main issue probably

[shell fossil]

you could post details of ability usage we might have more to say

[torpid fiber]

(I hit 5m overalls in low keys at 693 new 2p, but also I think those could go way higher + low keys mean more dps for us)

[cinder haven]

Underhanded upper hand talent makes vanish basically extend adrenaline rush

[brisk lotus]

let me se if i find how to do that

[cinder haven]

It's critical to play around that

Otherwise you lose adrenaline rush and everything comes crashing down

[shell fossil]

click on your name here and take a picture of the window that shows up

[cinder haven]

No energy to do anything

[shell fossil]

there's a bunch of tips in the outlaw faq, blade flurry on cooldown with 3 or more targets afair

[torpid fiber]

If I had video editing skills I think at this point I would make a short video just explaining the concepts of current outlaw

[brisk lotus]

thats for dps

so i only use vanish to boost my adrenaline then

[torpid fiber]

You use vanish to spam bte in the 6s stealth window after it

[brisk lotus]

thats what i was doingg

[torpid fiber]

But also only do that while adrenaline rush is up

Because otherwise you lose so many btes

[brisk lotus]

ok i was not doing that

do i go above 20% haste?

[torpid fiber]

Adrenaline rush doesn't say this but it also reduces your GCD

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[brisk lotus]

word

[torpid fiber]

We all wish this haste stuff wasn't a thing

[brisk lotus]

ok im sitting at 28% haste and 17% vers so that might be the issue

plus only having 2p

[shell fossil]

if you have gear that puts you under 20% haste but ups vers hidden opportunity might be an improvement til you get more stuff

but at 693 you can just print champ track stuff out of keys tbh

[brisk lotus]

do you guys really only use keep it rolling at 4 buffs?

even tho you have high chance to get 4 buffs if you roll the bones then use keep it rolling then roll bones again?

[torpid fiber]

but you could get 5/6 if you wait for 4

4 is pretty common

[shell fossil]

i've been kiring at 3 buffs if its broadside/true bearing + 1

ruthless precision is also good

[brisk lotus]

alright then

[shell fossil]

with 4 set / loaded dice you just reroll immediately but check the outlaw faq

[royal stump]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[teal nebula]

Hey, so, funny question, for the sake of not having to log in and check myself.
Does Supercharger's effect extend the length of the Killing Spree channel? If so, approximately how long does it last, given the average 20% Haste that is called for with Keep it Rolling builds?

[gaunt phoenix]

ks is 0.5s per cp, hasted so that at 25% haste it is 0.4s (0.5 / 1.25)

normally supercharger just adds 3cps but it's actually bugged for ks duration, it only adds 2cps

So supercharger adds 0.8s at normal haste

[teal nebula]

I never was too great at math, so would that equal to about 3.6 seconds through Supercharger at 25% Haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you sent ks at 7cp yes

[teal nebula]

Gotcha, gotcha.
I really appreciate that you're adding the actual math to this, but I do have to admit, I'm not asking for any... functional reason.
It's for a shitpost.

I'm gonna make a WeakAura that plays this part of the Thanos Beatbox, and tie it to a macro that /yells the written out noises while I channel Killing Spree.

And I'm trying to get the logistics down of how much I'll have to trim the clip, as well as how much I'll need to change the speed.

[scarlet drum]

Is it time to craft a belt to replace the disc belt?

[worthy elm]

I know im not the best player but im usually not to bad.. but god i feel shit in raid..

[next wedge]

am i dumb? why is my dmg so inconsistent on araz

mythic

[balmy cradle]

Feels shit during raid. Thats what it is, almost every class outdps on single target

[scarlet drum]

Okay it's not just me then.

Has anyone crafted a belt to replace their disc belt yet?

[lucid vale]

anyone here know if crippling poison works on adds for mythic forgeweaver?

[cinder relic]

it does

Its the best slow in the game for those orbs actually

[lucid vale]

Thank you sir

Does it stack with Throw Glaive?

[cinder relic]

p sure slows always take the highest value

make sure to take the talentso n the left side class tree

makes crippling 10% better

ends up like a 72% slow or smthing

[balmy topaz]

Anyuone else getting this on EU?

[lucid vale]

awesome. is it recommended to hold killing spree til adds spawn?

[cinder relic]

BF just naturally spreads it

[lucid vale]

I mean to pad stats 😄

[safe pasture]

for flood opener are we just sending stone idol from stealth off rip or is there any like optimization like waiting for good rolls or anything like that

[inland acorn]

After first subterfuge, before KS

[inland acorn]

No

[torpid fiber]

The answer to "is it recommend to hold <literally anything>" as outlaw is usually no

Except apparently vanish as fatebound

[safe pasture]

TYY

[willow portal]

are the orbs like really slowed with just that?

because dropping the 3.6% damage reduce seems kinda dangerous

[cinder relic]

doesnt work on the boss

[willow portal]

sorry what

[cinder relic]

beacuse the damage you take on that fight isnt sourced from araz

[inland acorn]

damage reduction doesn't work on environment damage

Which is majority on forgeweaver

[willow portal]

what kind of cooked code is that

so i have been inting my guild

[cinder relic]

Not cooked code, just expected interactions

[willow portal]

is there like a guide with such tips for the raid?

[blissful idol]

yes sadly

[willow portal]

and what points do i change to take the crippling poison node

[inland acorn]

Show your talents

I would guess you can drop the one in the middle that reduces slow duration on you

[long barn]

Hey guys. Anyone around that can help with some fatebound vanish questions

[inland acorn]

Just ask, and someone will probably answer

[long barn]

Ive been trying to optimize with the vanish holding for GS but my ADR uptime went from like 99% ro like 95%

anyone else feel this or am i doing it wrong

[inland acorn]

Did you let ADR expire ?

[long barn]

yea but the cooldown wasnt up

[inland acorn]

Was vanish up ?

[long barn]

it feels like holding vanish is not giving the ADR pause on uptime

yes

i was holding it for the GS

[inland acorn]

Then you dont hold

[long barn]

i guess

[rotund zodiac]

ADR always come first

[long barn]

ok so ADR Uptime still trumps the GS

k

[inland acorn]

Drop middle one

[willow portal]

i mean i know i can drop that

[cinder haven]

there is a an extra rule to use vanish to extend adr if adr has like 2 sec left and 30sec or more on CD

[willow portal]

but i need 2 points

for the slow talent

[inland acorn]

drop the right one

[cinder haven]

the leech talent

[inland acorn]

that gives you leech in stealth

[cinder haven]

does nothing

[inland acorn]

it doesn't work with subterfuge anyway

[willow portal]

smh

does the middle talent do anything then?

[rotund zodiac]

Such a shitty talent

[inland acorn]

reduces slow duration

which doesn't matter when you have grappling hooks

[cinder haven]

not slow amount, just duration 🙂

[willow portal]

btw why am i able to move with the chains during menagerie fight in streets, is that like a rogue talent or sth?

[cinder haven]

so kinda does nothing, except for when there is some debuff that does both damage and slow

then it can be kinda good

extremely niche though

the leech one is just a dead talent

[inland acorn]

You often can get rid of slow with vanish tho

like on soul hunters, after chains

[cinder haven]

yeah I'm just trying to explain when it could potentially be useful

(almost never)

[long barn]

Is there a way in warcraftlogs to tell if i got to 2 stacks of vanish

like I didnt use them fast enough

thats like a big no no right

You should never had 2 stacks of vanish

1 and 1 recharging?

[south scaffold]

Hey, stupid question. Why is this week outlaws dmg so high in m+? Im looking mainly at mythicstats.com

[cinder haven]

I don't think you can no

[long barn]

cause of Tomelvis... always making us look bad

only 381 Outlaw parses... lol

half of hthem probs Tom

[south scaffold]

Okay, lmao. I dont feel that strong as this site Shows 😫

[mighty pivot]

you are you just don't know it yet

[rotund zodiac]

Outlaw 💪

Outlaw…..

[fluid meadow]

yeah looks good there, but if u compare with others outlaw logs there are -2 keylvl than others, so fake

[mighty pivot]

they are removing outlaws from their groups to avoid being humiliated by them

[willow portal]

probably have to take into context that when you pull around outlaw then you get really high outlaw numbers

the servers are offline because they are patching in the outlaw buffs right?

[stiff hawk]

COPE

[mighty pivot]

@wintry solar is reverting outlaw to combat as we speak

[hollow creek]

Best m+ Comp for outlaw rogues ?

[cinder haven]

fury, feral, resto sham, brm

[willow portal]

3melee dps kinda sub optimal

[hardy thicket]

playing outlaw is kinda sub optimal

heeeeeeeeey

[cinder haven]

mhm

[cinder haven]

they didn't want to get on the sheriff's bad side probably

[quaint mauve]

i play with hunter fury warr

resto druid

brew

[normal forge]

good morning msg that i needed

[wintry solar]

It's just a name change dw. It's literally just SL outlaw in its entirety.

The big wigs been on me about giving what the players want. Hopefully this name change will satiate the forums while keeping outlaw players happy

[mighty pivot]

Huge popo

[balmy topaz]

I FINALLY GOT THESE

[red zinc]

Right before you could guarantee them from remix

saves you some bronze i guess

[crude flower]

Can’t blame him

[quaint mauve]

i just dropped 30$ at jack in the box

[quaint mauve]

lucky ducky

[midnight widget]

is there anything usefull we can get from timewalking?

[haughty wigeon]

Haha nerd (grats)

I have tae since legion

Get on my level

[crude flower]

sad survival noises

[fading hatch]

if i get lucky with CTO and have 4 buffs with like 6 sec left on them all, do i KIR to get cdr rolling or try fish for more buffs before?

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[wintry solar]

[mighty pivot]

say hi to popo too

[fair oak]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[wintry solar]

No no. It's okay. Just a reminder of where I sit in this channel

[mighty pivot]

you will always be the channel's mascot

a true reflection of the state of the spec too - bad mascot bad spec

[forest ember]

Seen a hot minute since I played Outlaw, I think not since S1, does that bug still happen with Between the Eyes where it wouldn't actually cast but do the animation/audio?

[gaunt phoenix]

Fixed

[forest ember]

Ahhhh good, I have PTSD

[wintry solar]

[hasty warren]

Hi @wintry solar

[wintry solar]

Omg hiii

[mighty pivot]

popo will sleep happy now

[wintry solar]

I will

[hasty warren]

uwu

[cedar kernel]

[hasty warren]

hi @cedar kernel

how u doing

[cedar kernel]

hi new man

not good

my dmg is pretty weird

[hasty warren]

what append ?

[cedar kernel]

bad sad cringe

[red zinc]

bac my goat

[cedar kernel]

90% adr uptime cant still beat a hunter in ARAK

spill issue

[hasty warren]

[cedar kernel]

number buff is asking

[hasty warren]

skill issue ig

[cedar kernel]

or uncapped

[hasty warren]

nah

uncapped brain rot spec with 2 buttons is fine

realy sane for the game

[cedar kernel]

sad cringe sad cringe

[quaint mauve]

hunter op

outlaw not

can’t win

[daring oxide]

its ok

tonight our salvation will arrive

we will feel the warm light of realz decend upon our wretched souls:
tuning our auras up ever so slightly,
buffing SOH to 40%,
CTO to 20%,
Opportunity baseline to 45%,
Unseen Blades are now trackable,
escalating blades stack beyond 4 stacks max,
Blade flurry cleave damage back to 50%,
PC nerfed,
back to 2 FTH,
KS cd reduced to 2mins (not 3mins),
KS duration sped up by 25%,
KS only hits current target,

(disclaimer: the above isn't serious and getting a buff is always 50/50)

[proper veldt]

[jolly geyser]

Someone bought copium truck

[quaint mauve]

ub effected by cdr

[wispy dawn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

and each coup you do on a target increases your dmg dealt to them

like dh resper glaive

[wintry solar]

I was wondering where my shipment of copium went

We should be hearing about the alpha though

[daring oxide]

this weekend?

are you sure?

i thought that would be closer to 11.2.5

@wintry solar

[wintry solar]

No no. I mean hearing about it

[daring oxide]

as in

when they'd release it?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[daring oxide]

hmm

[misty bridge]

I just wish KS was affected by all our cp builder buffs/talents

[wintry solar]

They just said soon

[daring oxide]

outlaw and unholy rework better be in the alpha

ffs

like

[wintry solar]

Which could mean anything

[daring oxide]

INSTANTLY

[stiff vector]

Pump the copium straight into my veins

[wintry solar]

That's what I'm saying

[daring oxide]

its partially memey sorry Im not actually expecting any of these things to be done

[stiff vector]

It’s all a meme at the end of the day, we ain’t gettin shit but a lazy aura buff in a week or month or longer

If we’re lucky

[daring oxide]

im terrified of what would happen to outlaw if Jade Martin decides to dig deep and make actually large reworks, or gentle reworks

but fatebound needs a fucking rework

[wintry solar]

All I want is uhuh deleted

Or just pause after X seconds of attacking

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-white-duck-duck-holding-gun-threat-threaten-gif-13197820826345348433

[wintry solar]

That talent is the sole reason downtime hurts us so much

Not really but for dramatic effect I'm gonna say it is

It's a big part

[daring oxide]

partially

but also that talent is also what makes us good between combat

but then

fundamentals need to be reworked for UHUH to go away

where we aren't reliant on ADR uptime

and ADR becomes an actual buff, not an uptime

[mighty pivot]

I took a screenshot of this and I have sent it to my lawyer. It better be 100% real(z)

[daring oxide]

you know

they could also buff HO

change it from 80% to 100%

[stiff vector]

Not rly, it’s mostly just the design of the spec and restless blades, but UHUH just amplifies it

[mighty pivot]

they could, but that would require a dev

[south scaffold]

guys, 7,4 M at the end of HoA, +13. low, mid or good? just to have in perspective

[burnt dragon]

Did they fix dimensius subterfuge bug yet?

[vivid vessel]

they are never fixing that buddy

just live with it

[burnt dragon]

But... why

[vivid vessel]

because

[burnt dragon]

Blizz hates rogues

[prime cloud]

whats the bug there?

[vivid vessel]

why do you think they would bug fix a bug that affect one spec only on one fight only

[stiff vector]

That shit is at the bottom of their bug fix list, if they. Care to fix it at all

[vivid vessel]

and the bug isnt even that relevant

i would actually be mad if they spent time fixing that

instead of doing more relevant shit

[burnt dragon]

The portals that you go through to start the fight unstealths you. But not druids in prowl

[burnt dragon]

Or not cut so much development and QA budget so that stuff like this doesn't go live in the first place

[vivid vessel]

yes sure

[vivid vessel]

its only for outlaw

cause its only for subterfuge

[prime cloud]

ah so i got used to that outlol is fucked by anything that can even slightly interact with stealth after dealing with Mechagon flamethrowers

[burnt dragon]

But that's technically a class talent so it COULD be for other specs. They're just not running it

[vivid vessel]

@red zinc

was it with you

that i was discussing wowhead droprate thingy

or

it was vurai

hi vurai

[red zinc]

no

[vivid vessel]

i asked wowhead if they could differentiate from which mob an item was dropping, even when you were looting packs of mobs

[quiet root]

well i hope the gcd reduction will somehow be baseline and not only during this hypothetical new AdR

i want to press button fast

not at medium speed

[gaunt phoenix]

ya i think this should happen

they could also remove the audacity bug

[vivid vessel]

the audacity bug is one of the reason i hate ho

i litteraly do not wanna have another bind

for a bug

so annoying

i hate it

same for fatebound makes me cringe

[mighty pivot]

you mean like for snd bug?

[vivid vessel]

ye but snd bug is just my snd bind

i do not care

xd

also i have that bind regardless of snd bug or not

[mighty pivot]

they will fix it for midnight or randomly in a minor patch to nerf HO for no reason at all

not a single person has run flickerstrike on saladbar I'm not mad just disappointed

[wintry solar]

Low adr uptime doesn't really mean low apm.

I get why people say that though. It'd make sense.

[vivid vessel]

but outlaw is under boomie

[old gull]

where can i see that chart?

[quiet root]

explain how

(also i said medium apm)

[glass mortar]

Well it all just depends on how u define high apm

[wintry solar]

thats also true

as well as medium

[glass mortar]

Outlaw was considered high apm before we ever had 100% adr

[mighty pivot]

that's a real article title

[glass mortar]

It was still in the high 60s to mid 70s

[wintry solar]

what are we at now?

[glass mortar]

Mid to high 80s

[wintry solar]

amazing

[torpid fiber]

This title is amazing specifically bc boomie isn't bottom imo.

It pisses off the maximal number of people possible.

[vapid blaze]

are u sprised

[proven ocean]

Can u send me this emote

[vivid vessel]

?

[proven ocean]

Or

[vivid vessel]

right click it noob

[proven ocean]

I lost it

Idk

Trying

But

Im on phone

[long barn]

What does this even mean? Did ret pallys close their discord and Blizzard rewarded them with buffs?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

I mean no way he talks about boomkin and not the actual bottom dps spec

[torpid fiber]

(tbf ret did probably need the buff it got and would have gotten it anyways)

[proven ocean]

Fuckign wowhead posters

[vale warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/should-boomkins-close-their-class-discord-to-get-single-target-buffs-boss-damage-378425

[lucid sandal]

[torpid fiber]

This is the whole point of the title

It's ragebait

[quiet root]

yeah but going from 1 sec gcd to 0.8 sec gcd is a 25% increase in apm (not counting off-gcds)

[vivid vessel]

nah but this article is actually good tho for once

actually taking a real look at real data

[mighty pivot]

20 position change is insane, nice sandbagging guys

[vivid vessel]

instead of jusut the frontpage of wcl

[proven ocean]

[vale warren]

Wizards protecting their own

[lucid sandal]

Genuinely the worst of the worst of the wow community resides in the wowhead comment section you can't tell me otherwise

[torpid fiber]

Yeah the article actually seems fine, they look at specific bosses to try to see meaningful data on ST

[vale warren]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-strong-0p1sf-gif-20906166

[unreal zephyr]

Hi, for a no-brain sim, DungeonSlice or Run 1 target 5min for aoe in keys?

[vale warren]

Wowhead comments are so funny tho

[torpid fiber]

Dslice

[proven ocean]

1 target 5 min for aoe?

What

[unreal zephyr]

Sorry 5 target 1min lol

[proven ocean]

Dslice for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

outlaw being bottom on fractilus is crazy when you think of the fact fractilus is litteraly the best case scenario for outlaw boss damage, and it will be worse on any other boss

[hollow temple]

[unreal zephyr]

Thanks

[mighty pivot]

at least outlaw is getting buffed tonight and everything will be good again

[proven ocean]

Bot guy

U did my sheet yet

Or what

??

[slate forge]

can’t get buffed no dev

[proven ocean]

Oh

Robot guy

Wtf

[mighty pivot]

they hired ryukage as rogue dev

[proven ocean]

Ur name is complicated press feint guy

[vale warren]

100% melee uptime takes us from bottom 1 to bottom 4

[slate forge]

CB gets effected by cdr oof

[old gull]

dude its crazy, i feel like im doing so well on that boss too and just doing tank dam

[proven ocean]

OUTLAW!!!

[mighty pivot]

what's complicated about my name?

[proven ocean]

You have been removed from the group.

[vivid vessel]

its also the best case scenario for fatebound

which is even crazier

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

like this is peak outlaw boss damage

litteraly cant be higher

at all

[wintry solar]

heeeeeeeeeeessssss slllloooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[vivid vessel]

impossible

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[grave carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[gaunt phoenix]

This will never not be funny

[glass mortar]

I mean if u don't have 100 adr uptime that doesn't mean u have 0%

[proven ocean]

[mighty pivot]

block outlaw chat and only allow sending this as a sticker

[hasty bolt]

hey guys
im 705 ilvl and ambush spec
cant go more than 4.5M dg +11
can some1 help ?
rotation / procs are simple so idk why i cant go for more dmg

[frank finch]

just gotta pump out 300 coins like skenga

[mighty pivot]

what's your AR uptime?

[hasty bolt]

ive a WA to track so when its up

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw inventing bugged macro nonsense to be the worst boss damage

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

dont come to the outlaw channel tomorrow

[proven birch]

🤡

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

[torpid fiber]

We're literally out here doing cutting-edge research in order to still be dogshit

[wintry solar]

[mighty pivot]

at the end of a key if you click on your overall damage on Details and then go to Auras you can see AR uptime

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw tries to maintain adrenaline rush basically all the time

[wintry solar]

well we'll have the tech just in case they buff us

[torpid fiber]

we should agree to stop bug abusing if they buff us

[wintry solar]

I wouldnt go that far

[torpid fiber]

that way we can create an adversarial relationship with the devs which will definitely be a good thing for the spec 🙂

[grave carbon]

but like why were we so high before

[hasty bolt]

can i PM u my w log ?

[mighty pivot]

if popo was the rogue dev this would never have happened

just post it here

[wintry solar]

hes right btw

[mighty pivot]

or do a !log here and it will open a thread

[torpid fiber]

If I was the rogue dev we'd probably have some dogshit rotation I designed that only I enjoy

[wintry solar]

thats so true

I cant be given power

[old gull]

mom always said i would be famous....

[mighty pivot]

popo would delete crackshot and KIR that he hates

[wintry solar]

youre such a CAPPER

[mighty pivot]

and UHUH

[wintry solar]

that yes

absolutely

[torpid fiber]

Vote for me for outlaw dev I'll delete fan the hammer and hidden opportunity

[mighty pivot]

I don't vote in HO haters

[wintry solar]

SL outlaw with a dash of KiR

[random stirrup]

wowhead banger

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-pixels-cant-see-ben-chang-community-ken-jeong-gif-17361588

[vale warren]

Idk scaling or something

[wintry solar]

kir will replace the sepsis im not bringing back

[glass mortar]

say what u will about wowhead, they know how to get engagement

[random stirrup]

there was no nice way to get the title and the chart in one pic

[glass mortar]

if that title said outlaw rogue theyd probably have half the clicks

[cedar kernel]

wait did vai just predicted the time of tuning?

[vale warren]

All the outlaws are clicking it anyway now

[mighty pivot]

outlaw rogues would be outraged if there were more than 50 in total

[hasty bolt]

AR 38%

[wintry solar]

well then

thats youre problem

[mighty pivot]

ok AR should be at 80%+

[wintry solar]

at least

it literally aint got no gas in it

[hasty bolt]

press on cd ?

[mighty pivot]

the spec cannot function outside of AR it just struggles constantly

have you read #outlaw-faq? It has great information

[gaunt phoenix]

you use AR on cd but you are constantly using vanish to pause the duration

if you arent doing your rotation, you wont have vanish, and will lose AR

[quiet root]

sure but i'm saying i want to press buttons at AdR speed as opposed to non-AdR speed, so i would dislike any significant reduction in uptime

[mighty pivot]

your spec is fine. I would start by reading the faq and then practising at a dummy until you can reach 80% uptime on AR at least. You want it to be 90%+ eventually but you cannot get there in one day

[hasty bolt]

ok isee
we are ok AR give only energy regen and attack speed nothing else ? or i miss something

[torpid fiber]

It also reduces your gcd.
This isn't said anywhere in game for some reason.

[gaunt phoenix]

AR lowers your gcd to 0.8 seconds

*with the proper haste

[prisma vessel]

the pixels!

[mighty pivot]

I mean we know the reason

[torpid fiber]

I don't! It's been like this even through major spec changes!

[hasty bolt]

okayy
thx guys i will pratice then
thx for all your advices :p

[mighty pivot]

wow tooltips are just dogwater

[glass mortar]

i mean

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw really is just a lot of practice and knowing the logic in the rotation tbh

[glass mortar]

it said it shorterned ur gcd in the tooltip in like wotlk

then they removed it

even tho its always done that

its very funny the only way to know the haste tax exists or how much u need is to go to a third party guide or discord

blizzard wonders why nobody plays this class or spec

actually i doubt they wonder

they know.

[quiet root]

they know

[glass mortar]

like at least before u might not realize adr was giving u a shorter gcd but u still benefitted from it

if u dont look at a guide u might be getting half the value of adr and never even realize now a day

[wintry solar]

try that word again big dog

[pearl topaz]

the game makes it alot harder than it has to be for sure

[glass mortar]

my phone said it was correct

[mighty pivot]

it was in mop they added the shortened gcd but yes it was eventually omitted (too complicated? who knows)

[wintry solar]

I know too much about Outlaw to play it casually and frankly im envious of the ones that do

[mighty pivot]

but they like to have spells descriptions which are either vague or lack pieces of info

like sectec

[wintry solar]

"a random combat enhancement" gee thanks blizz

[mighty pivot]

killing spree doesn't even say that you are slowed during it and it's new

[wintry solar]

super helpful

[haughty plume]

hi, can someone tell me how to use ghostly strike, save it for killing spree or just use on cd or at 5cbs?

[torpid fiber]

tbh I like just turning my brain off while playing outlaw and going flow state

[opal raven]

the comments lol

[glass mortar]

i understand simplifying tooltips for the layman

letting the player know they only get value from adrs attack speed increase if they stack haste is

kinda important i think tho

without haste adr does practically nothing

u cant even use the energy it gives u

[opal raven]

now imagine that outlaw is an rng machine too, and that 95th percentile is high rng too, and ur still the worst of the lot 🤣 🤣 🤣

[mighty pivot]

they should honestly have a check box "advanced tooltips" (they kind of do already except it's useless)

[random stirrup]

the lackluster most of the time...

[glass mortar]

me when a spec has variance

marks hunters be like

[wintry solar]

pressed it in legion remix ptr and im actually astounded it made it through testing

[random stirrup]

man so lackluster in these 25th percentile kills!

what a lowroll

[wintry solar]

it literally does nothing without haste

[mighty pivot]

needing information from discord servers with people like popo or wowhead instead of it being available in game about how an ability works is ridiculous

[glass mortar]

me when my highroll is i do the dumbest dumpy damage of anyone in the game and my average is top 5 spec

"guys the rng is so bad u dont understand"

🥹

honestly bm hunter gripes r 10X more understandable this tier and i hate bm hunter

[torpid fiber]

tbf mm is giga variance this tier it's just also really strong

[glass mortar]

they gotta deal with this hilarious tier set with a ground based effect that can be moved out of

and they dont even do good damage if they hit it all

[old gull]

i love spamming 5 sinister strikes for 1 combo point each

classic wow gameplay

[random stirrup]

it has been top5 st every single patch since nerubar

since expac launch

[mighty pivot]

ok who is it

[old gull]

[glass mortar]

oh i found the image i was looking for when someone initially posted that wowhead article

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/680439583531335728/1389339964025868412/image.png?ex=68bbeeec&is=68ba9d6c&hm=78f47e4ad1be7f1224daed632fff7df2e838b3d7beb6ba5b04d6d3731a2daeb3&

too slow tho

[torpid fiber]

This meme is so good

[wintry solar]

from the dark, a hero emerges....

[mighty pivot]

is that why you have bats in your name?

[fallow fractal]

Are we RiP

[glass mortar]

we been rip in boss damage all season brother

our st isnt as bad as that chart looks but it aint good

[torpid fiber]

We're going to get a 5% buff that doesn't actually address the problems at all

[vivid vessel]

ok

this wowhead article

is crazy

this is going ot change everything

[glass mortar]

wdym

[vivid vessel]

actual big value wowhead article

[vivid vessel]

people are stupid

but they just got fed the right information for once

[pearl topaz]

i agree that presenting the data like this is good

[vivid vessel]

so they know how bad outlaw is

community perception shift

[glass mortar]

oh u mean the boss damage

[vivid vessel]

outlaw buff

[glass mortar]

yea

[pearl topaz]

especially if it happens consistently, because you cant just rely on people posting individual threads on forums/reddit/whatever

[glass mortar]

i mean when u think about it its like 5D chess

[pearl topaz]

having a source that just has those charts all the time will become something that devs may be more likely to notice

[glass mortar]

ansh is making people wonder "wait what about all these specs under boomkin, they must be turbo shit if wowhead is saying boomkin should close their discord???"

imagine being worse then boomkin

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

[vale warren]

We should all play trickster for a week to get that buffed too

[pearl topaz]

we are jazz musicians, we may not get paid very much but we also have to do the most complicated shit at the same time

[mighty pivot]

the shareholders are having an emergency meeting regarding outlaw as we speak

[vale warren]

We're gonna see some bullshit like a 5% buff to coins

[proven ocean]

Yes yes buff sub rogue too article nice

[fallow fractal]

da fk

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[worldly shale]

Nah bro you don’t get it. Outlaw in keys isn’t a spec, it’s a personality disorder. I’m not just pressing buttons—I’m terraforming the dungeon. You’re out here doing “mechanics” like some 9–5 casual while I’m chain-pulling half the instance, stunning everything that breathes, and padding so hard the healer thinks I’m tanking. You ever seen a pirate blender go brrrr across 30 mobs? No? Then sit down and watch daddy spin.

[random stirrup]

true buff sub

[strong halo]

I had someone tell me it was fucked up that I queued up as sub and ended up going outlaw, even though I was top dps and was top dps on every single boss

I beat an Ele and a frost dk why u mad at me

[long barn]

Can anyone tell me why in the Sims with the new fate bound tech in the latest pin shows 96% adr uptime

[vivid vessel]

kinda fucked up

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[strong halo]

This was 14 eco ☠️

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

Zac

Dod they fix the mc parts

Did*

or

[vivid vessel]

no idea

[proven ocean]

Zac

Guess whats happening today

[mighty pivot]

what is the problem with that?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw buff ?

[proven ocean]

Last episode of dexter

[vivid vessel]

oh

[proven ocean]

Will watch later

[vivid vessel]

ross

[long barn]

Well the PIN says we should use vanish with GS, but not “not” not use vanish to let ADR drop. So it should be like 98% or something

[vivid vessel]

i finished uh

dexter

uh

original sin

now im watching og dexter

then i will watch uh

idk i forgot

[proven ocean]

Nice

[vivid vessel]

i asked chatgpt to tell me in which order to watch them

since i started with og sin

[late swallow]

any clankers in chat rn?

[proven ocean]

Oh nice

[vivid vessel]

but ye

idk if i will get to the end tho

dexter has legit

10 seasons

cringe af

[late swallow]

60% of that show is slop

[proven ocean]

I hust ignored that

[late swallow]

first few seasons are goated

[proven ocean]

Just*

[late swallow]

until you get to john lithgow's character

[vivid vessel]

well did you just not watch

or

[late swallow]

literally everything else is slop

[proven ocean]

I only watched orriginal sin and now watching the new one

[vivid vessel]

ok

[proven ocean]

The og one i heard is good but

I didnt bother

[fallow fractal]

aug should always be last

[proven ocean]

Too long

[vivid vessel]

i think what imma do is watch s1 of the og one

and then skip to the new season

[late swallow]

season one is good

[vivid vessel]

cause i wanna have context

but i also wanna skip 10 fucking seasons bro

[slate forge]

Watching tv is cringe imagine sitting still staring at a screen with no apm fking normies

[old gull]

there aer a couple pretty good seasons dude

[vivid vessel]

ok but there are 10 seasons

i dont have infinite time my guy

[late swallow]

imagine not going through 10 foot long industrial sheets of bubble wrap for stimmies while you watch tv

[vivid vessel]

fuck you noob

[proper veldt]

holy

you guys see the goated wowhead article

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proper veldt]

so good

for once

[vivid vessel]

buff incoming

[late swallow]

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=12020/argussy-up#

?

[vivid vessel]

finally not a trash article screenshotting random useless data

outlaw buff incoming

we are saved

[slate forge]

100 parse that tv show king

[vivid vessel]

next reset +10%

aura

[torpid fiber]

bro I was playing a platformer earlier and I realised I do like 100apm in that game at resting pace as well I'm so screwed

[vivid vessel]

i almost said something but im litteraly reformed so i cnat

[slate forge]

You fell off

[worldly shale]

am almost done with 5th

i watch it when i eat

[late swallow]

did you get to hannah's character yet

[worldly shale]

no shut up

[sudden fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611326455019733014/1413511639000547399/image.png?ex=68bc32cc&is=68bae14c&hm=e10ef075e7c631462559af6b669cba2815185ce7c20722490ee747ed16ec5980&

[worldly shale]

damn she hot tho

[late swallow]

yeah

she's unbelievable bro

[gilded tinsel]

looks like everyone jumped ship

[late swallow]

i was like 13 watching that show

[worldly shale]

lumen is cool, sad she doesnt return

[haughty moat]

so... are we closing down too?

[vivid vessel]

?

[late swallow]

i need Severance season 3 immediately

[gilded tinsel]

it's a pirate joke zac

[vivid vessel]

outlaw has been shit since day 1

[worldly shale]

is it good

[vivid vessel]

nothing changed

data with just evolve

outlaw will continue to go down

as more end bosses get killed

cant wait actually

banger

[late swallow]

severance is goated bro

[slate forge]

Dimmy outlaw parses will be good data

[late swallow]

probably one of the best shows that's come out in the last 10 years

easily

[fervent garden]

bleh, i stopped after 3 episodes

[worldly shale]

lol really

[late swallow]

easily

[worldly shale]

idk i didnt like the sound

of the plot

im a kill kill kill crime crime crime guy

[late swallow]

reading the plot ahead of time
yeah idk about that one chief

[worldly shale]

i mean

not spoilered

but like

the description

of the show

u know

[late swallow]

i don't even do that

I legit just hit shows completely natty

[worldly shale]

go watch

[late swallow]

makes the experience of figuring it out so much more exciting

[worldly shale]

the innocent

the spanish show

has like 8 episodes

[late swallow]

hold on let me read about it

[worldly shale]

amazballs

[copper radish]

Soooo come back to outlaw for midnight? Got it 🪦

[fervent garden]

hahaha

[worldly shale]

UP THE CHELS

[fervent garden]

fuck yeah

[worldly shale]

palmer back when

my fpl is hurting

dont wanna

transfer my goat

[fervent garden]

soon. he's out for international breakl

nothing crazy

[worldly shale]

nah, wasnt he injured

groin

[fervent garden]

yeah but nothing serious. no exact date but he posted "soon back"

[worldly shale]

ye saw it on ig

joao pedro puking

today

got me

[fading hatch]

if i get lucky with CTO and have 4 buffs with like 6 sec left on them all, do i KIR to get cdr going or try fish for more buffs before?

[cedar kernel]

thats a good news

it means we will get a buff

[slate forge]

Try to do last second but it’s not a huge difference

[fallow fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-gif-6823241795540399689

[glass mortar]

i dont see anything in the FaQ about fishing anymore so idk if its recommended

@gaunt phoenix might know

[torpid fiber]

Yeah we mostly care about cooking now

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have 4 buffs, and one of them is at like 5 seconds, you can fish

if you have 4 buffs at 20s then dont

[glass mortar]

🐟

[keen belfry]

I always fish for the good ones solo

Is that wrong this tier

[tawdry linden]

Meanwhile 2/3 Rogue specs are LAST on first boss xD

[hybrid crown]

Ignore the run phase

Just grapple 4 times and start right on the shield

[mossy shell]

outlaw is great on it though cause of grapple

yea

[tawdry linden]

Clearly isn't shown on that list

[restive mango]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[old gull]

this aint golf bro

[wicked obsidian]

but they are asking for boomkin buff not for outlaw 😉

[mossy shell]

what does that even mean

[old gull]

low score aint good lol

[mossy shell]

lol

so most outlaws play it wrong

that doesn't mean it's not good

it means they are playing it incorrectly

[crimson thicket]

Both can be true

It can be bad and played incorrectly

[old gull]

just like me fr

[crimson thicket]

Same brother

[quaint delta]

my details nickname is "Bad"

[tawdry linden]

Same.. I am so washed

[mossy shell]

impossible

outlaw has never been bad

[old gull]

im so bad my between the eyes got retooltipped to say "in the shoulder"

[crimson thicket]

I mean in my heart no, numbers wise, tuning wise, bugs wise...smh my head

[tawny meteor]

Hello guys

[wicked obsidian]

and what's the matter at Fractilus then, you mean most of the outlaws are also playing it wrong (from ranged or what?)

[tawny meteor]

How do I know Wich craft would be the best for my outlaw rogue

[old gull]

pistol shot, more liek pistol not

[daring oxide]

whats the origin story of this image

[old gull]

that was me, i joined an m+ and that happened

[crimson thicket]

No their single target is just kinda fucking doodie and if outlaw is ever forced off a boss, it suffers much more than cooldown based classes.

[glass mortar]

me when players at the 95+ percentile are still playing it bad

why do the best outlaws in the world not simply get gud

[daring oxide]

lmao

[tawny meteor]

!craft

[old gull]

now its a fuckin meme >.< lol

[mossy shell]

outlaw probably shouldn't be top tier on a target dummy boss, it's the tankiest and fastest dps in the game

[mossy shell]

yep

[crimson thicket]

Outlaw does need help in raid at the very least you can admit.

[quaint delta]

cockroaches with wet noodles still have wet noodles

[proper veldt]

low quality rage bait frfr

[glass mortar]

im sorry what exactly is the logic line follow through of "outlaw shouldnt be good on a target dummy boss because its fast"

[tawny meteor]

CAN simcraft tell me Wich item is best to craft ?

[tawdry linden]

ragebaiting

[glass mortar]

people arent tuned against their defensives but the other part doesnt even make sense

[mossy shell]

what kind of noodles, that's important

[glass mortar]

oh its ragebait

makes sense now

time to go make a coffee

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

[quaint delta]

clearly farfalle

[mossy shell]

take a deep breath

[daring oxide]

anyways

[tawdry linden]

Yeas, use the droptimizer and then choose crafted and the ilvl you will craft it at

[daring oxide]

this is what we do today

[mossy shell]

it's going to be ok

[old gull]

I'm enjoying my morning off playing wow (I am getting spam declined)

[mossy shell]

at least it's a fashionable noodle

good choice

[tawdry linden]

On raidbots BTW sorry

[daring oxide]

we will get our blue notes tonight around 1am UK time, chock full of outlaw buffs.

If we don't, we close this channel down until we do, and we go into the ass channel as our temporary home and cry with them in there and post endless cat images as they do

[tawdry linden]

Pin it

[mossy shell]

do you think blizzard cares O_O

why would they care

[glass mortar]

i mean we got told we will probably never have a direct complaint wowhead post again after we posted to get an absurd bug fixed that any other spec in the game would cry about 24/7

[daring oxide]

look at the ret success story

[glass mortar]

u think theres anyway we ever close outlaw discord in anger

[tawny meteor]

Alright but where I add the crafted items if I dont have them already ?

[glass mortar]

ret paladins just have no shame

[torpid fiber]

Leave the poor sin players alone

[carmine ferry]

When are we locking up?

[proper veldt]

@mossy shell you play without a mouse wtf !?!

[old gull]

this is all we post if no buff

[mossy shell]

you play with one?

weirdo

[proper veldt]

crazy cuh

how do you kick

tab target through all mobs?

xd

[mossy shell]

kick?

what

you kick?

[quaint delta]

blind only for interrupts

[proper veldt]

[carmine ferry]

Main Outlaw right there

[quaint delta]

dont need to target

[proper veldt]

craziest shit i've seen tbh

no mouse wow

[daring oxide]

@realzz we closing this channel tomorrow until you deliver us from despair

[mossy shell]

❤️

[daring oxide]

i saw Nessa stream before

i thought it was so fun to watch

[proper veldt]

yeah its interesting

[daring oxide]

someone use the arrow keys for movement

genius

[proper veldt]

i never would've thought

[mossy shell]

I'm sorry plz don't be mad i just don't like using a mouse

[proper veldt]

about using arrow key

[daring oxide]

no mad

@mossy shell

just respect

[mossy shell]

😭

[daring oxide]

how come you don't play KIR though?

HO queen

[proper veldt]

no wae

m+

no kir

[tawdry linden]

That's what I linked not so long ago xD

[daring oxide]

Nessa does high keys with HO (no GS build for PC 2FTH)

[proper veldt]

no GS

[old gull]

based

[proper veldt]

[daring oxide]

ya i watched stream a few times

its doable

plays with banshers i think?

who is playing some BM hunter no multi build

just pure dire beasts aoe using double stampede tech

which is so annoying lol

[proper veldt]

weirdos fr

[carmine ferry]

Sorry I have a hard time reading and doing due research as an ADHD Outlaw

[white marten]

And topping dps

Ez

[daring oxide]

you have to use EOTB to go into combat

[proper veldt]

wait wox doesnt play with banshers no more?

[white marten]

HO aint dead

[mossy shell]

KiR is stupid idk

[daring oxide]

to start the cd

[mossy shell]

I’ll switch if we play double rogue and you do more damage

Just lmk when Vai

[proper veldt]

challenging @daring oxide to dps race

ok

[daring oxide]

I'm stuck in the EU

[proper veldt]

!

[old gull]

you are my new hero

[daring oxide]

also it wasn't a diss btw, i think HO works fine, I was just curious why you didn't play it in higher keys

[mossy shell]

I know, I’m just feeling sassy

Uh

[daring oxide]

ye haha 😄

[mossy shell]

I prefer HO because it’s more fun

Also

[daring oxide]

more consistent too

i suppose

[mossy shell]

I think the guides here are missing some things

That create good dam

[daring oxide]

i felt that when i tried it in some keys

[sand berry]

ambush fun button sinister strike boring button

[quaint delta]

dropping to 1 FTH really feels bad

[random stirrup]

i will play the lower damage build because its more fun i will not use a mouse because i dont like it

[proper veldt]

[old gull]

why no gs?

[daring oxide]

well you drop GS so you can keep 2fth and take pc

its a tech

for HO

and its fine in M+

since you aoe most of the time

[random stirrup]

really everyone here is already playing the lower damage build for fun reasons by playing outlaw

[mossy shell]

1fth is sim bait you won’t convince me otherwise

[carmine ferry]

How does it do on raid though?

[daring oxide]

i was meaning to ask you this in your stream nessa

[mossy shell]

What’s the % difference

[daring oxide]

but glad to find you here tbh

im gonna try some HO keys again tonight

you play with SOH too right? @mossy shell or just LD

[proper veldt]

its like 10% loss no

in dslice

[glass mortar]

yea 1fth is a simbait in it baits me into playing it and suffering the mental damage of doing 10% more overall on my dungeons while not having fun the entire time

[mossy shell]

What is soh

[glass mortar]

biggest simbait in existence tbh

[daring oxide]

ah sleight of hand

the 20% increased rtb effectiveness talent

helps to bring 5 natty back up to 7% chance

does help to smooth it out in m+

reduce low rolls

[mossy shell]

It feels nice to roll buffs and the sims think it’s 2% better or something ya?

[daring oxide]

its just a feels thing

[glass mortar]

in st its slightly better then HH

in aoe build its slightly worse then versa talent

[daring oxide]

i do feel it helping me making rtb better (not a sim angle, feels angle purely)

[glass mortar]

thats the last info i have but they havent posted official stuff yet

[mossy shell]

Supercharger is good and I don’t want to be stuck not rolling

[glass mortar]

maybe new rules will make it better for both

[daring oxide]

you mostly roll when you just have 2 buffs or less? do you ever hold like if you have BS+TB etc? and if you had 5 natty (without SOH) whats your feeling on that on when to roll RTB again as HO?

sorry for all the questions, just curious

[glass mortar]

altho idk what a HO build drops for it HH is a stronger talent for HO\

kir can drop it easily cause HH barely does anything for it

[mossy shell]

It kinda depends on the next global right?

I do hold for broadsides

Or I hold with true bearing if I’m close to getting a cd I need

[daring oxide]

ye nice

i feel the same way too

really depends what i need most

[mossy shell]

Just kinda feels

[daring oxide]

perfect

[mossy shell]

I do want to roll though

[daring oxide]

aye for SC

[mossy shell]

Coup back to back, killing spree, coup again hopefully, roll, vanish

[hybrid crown]

have yall seen the aug evoker notes for which classes to buff, for outlaw

[daring oxide]

dam that'd be like 25+ stacks

[hybrid crown]

rude

[mossy shell]

Ya sometimes

[proper veldt]

highly tuned for ST

[torpid fiber]

Tbf that was true in the past often

[daring oxide]

[torpid fiber]

That was like our whole thing for a bit

[daring oxide]

can you go and tell them to fix their fucking info those bloody lizards

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[stuck sparrow]

all 5 aug players

[mossy shell]

👀

[glass mortar]

its probably just not updated

outlaw generally is tuned decently high for st

[white marten]

Lizard

[carmine ferry]

There's almost one for each outlaw

[glass mortar]

then performs mid because of how the spec plays on real raid fights

this season is a new one

[safe pasture]

has anyone else seen woxs stats hes going mast after vers + haste req is that the move now?

[mossy shell]

Oh I try never to roll with 4 or more buffs unless they are low and I want to vanish soon, to not lose a global

I was meaning to ask here actually if we know whether rolling in subterfuge is worth it rn

[glass mortar]

it is

[daring oxide]

I think as long as its above like 3-4 gcds

[glass mortar]

theres no loss for rolling in crackshot, supercharger is quite valuable

[daring oxide]

so like early on in subterfuge and u got finish ready

[glass mortar]

assuming u hit reroll conditions of course

[mossy shell]

Supercharger is just +4 combo points

[daring oxide]

but i wouldn't roll in subterfuge if its almost done

[proper veldt]

its neutral everything we simmed

[glass mortar]

+6 but yes

[torpid fiber]

I try to guesstimate if rolling in subt would cost me my last bte or not

[daring oxide]

+3 on each finisher and more ace chance

[glass mortar]

if u consume both those superchargers inside the crackshot its like casting a whole nother bte

since it was 6 additional combo points

[daring oxide]

so its +6 CP in total per RTB

[mossy shell]

Oh I thought it was +2

[glass mortar]

can think of it that way

[daring oxide]

the capstone +1 on +2

[mossy shell]

Well 6 combo points is pretty good

[glass mortar]

its +2 baseline then the talent u take after it makes it +3

[mossy shell]

Ah you are right

[daring oxide]

so its defo worth

[glass mortar]

i try to avoid it if i know i wont get to cast another bte in the crackshot

but otherwise its fine to do

[daring oxide]

+6cp (+3cp each finisher), and effectively makes your ace chance 45-50% (6-7cp BTEs)

but yeah