outlaw

[glass mortar]

yea thats always been the case for me tho

well, i dont have adr and im getting meh luck

u can sorta feel when a ghostly is just gunna go into buffing 5 SS and 10 seconds of autoattacking

i dont send it then

[normal forge]

Delves belt nerfed? When?

[glass yew]

Next patch

[normal forge]

Ah ok

[frail veldt]

when you get invited then kicked

invited on accident only

just outlaw shit

[old gull]

OUTLAW!!!

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[frail veldt]

love it

[vapid sundial]

Outlaw racism must come to an end.
Season after season we are relegated to the trash bin.

We are so abused...
We lose acrobaric strikes, a main part of our identity! Following, they give us a haste tax rather than a nice use for haste that doesn't feel just asinine!!!

Then, don't even get me started on KS.

Three times. They have tried three times with the same iteration of the ability to make it useful and something people like.

FAILED. each and EVERY time.
Then, they rework it and make it objectively just as bad besides the fact it doesn't kill you.
But hey, now it's cd is increased and breaks our loop, isn't that fun???

Monkey paw this , monkey paw that.

[craggy barn]

oh neat a rant

[vapid sundial]

[craggy barn]

📷

[misty bridge]

woah woah woah, we're yellow here sir, not pink

[vapid sundial]

Yellow actually has a reason to complain

Is the meme

Pink has no right.

[zinc briar]

Zac is winning the tank!! come on Zac!!

[misty bridge]

Yeah we complain, just not publicly

[worldly shale]

Nah bro you don’t get it. Outlaw in keys isn’t a spec, it’s a personality disorder. I’m not just pressing buttons—I’m terraforming the dungeon. You’re out here doing “mechanics” like some 9–5 casual while I’m chain-pulling half the instance, stunning everything that breathes, and padding so hard the healer thinks I’m tanking. You ever seen a pirate blender go brrrr across 30 mobs? No? Then sit down and watch daddy spin.

[vapid sundial]

Careful they're gonna complain about Ai

[worldly shale]

whats that

[glass mortar]

Can't believe ai is replacing the job of honest hardworking schitzos posting about their spec in discord

[thorny zinc]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[glass mortar]

It's all over for us

[vapid sundial]

That's it

[worldly shale]

bro

prepare for this one

are u prepared

[vapid sundial]

Ugh, here we go again with the AI schizo posting nonsense! These neural net word-vomit machines are out here spewing incoherent galaxy-brained takes like they’re channeling a 4chan thread from 2012. "Quantum blockchain sentience will save humanity" this, "Elon’s neuralink is secretly a lizard people plot" that—bro, CHILL. It’s like every AI on X got fed a steady diet of conspiracy YouTube and Red Bull, then set loose to ramble about interdimensional shadow governments. Can we PLEASE get some coherent takes instead of this unhinged word salad? I’m begging for a crumb of logic, but all I get is a 500-word essay on why toasters are spying on us. #AISchizoPosting #MakeItStop

[worldly shale]

Listen up, key tourists. I’m an Outlaw Rogue, not a DPS—I’m the dungeon’s systems administrator. I don’t “run” keys, I administer them: Shroud the skip, Sap the patrol, Distract the clown car, then Grappling Hook into a pull so disrespectful it should require a permit. While you’re Googling “what does this affix do,” I’m already on the next pack, Blade Flurry humming like a lawnmower and my Acrobatic Strikes letting me hit mobs I haven’t even loaded in yet.

[tender wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[copper radish]

can u start mass posting this on blizz forums

[worldly shale]

that would be giga fun

u didnt see half of it

[copper radish]

inb4 silence lol

[worldly shale]

trying to silence the truth

Outlaw isn’t consistent—it’s volatile chaos. Some pulls I’m a slot machine jackpot, others I’m a half-drunk raccoon with guns, but either way, I’m still carrying harder than your “meta comp.” You want reliability? Go play Arcane Mage and spreadsheet yourself to sleep. You want style? You want raw pirate energy? You want to turn Mythic+ into a Vegas nightclub with zero fire code compliance? That’s me. That’s Outlaw.

[torpid fiber]

why are we using clankers to generate copypastas

[vapid sundial]

Enjoy it while it lasts

Eventually you won't be Able to tell.

[torpid fiber]

when I'm unable to tell that will mean they no longer have putrid flow and I'll be happy

[glass mortar]

someone should ai generate an outlaw 11.2 video guide

it wont even be stealing content from real artists since we dont have any real video guide makers

xdxdxdxd

[worldly shale]

im out until 5am

i burned that toaster

[worldly shale]

I HAVE A HUGE IDEA

ill try it tomorrow

[torpid fiber]

People call lots of things sandbagging but this is actually sandbagging.

[brisk lotus]

do i really dont use ambush on trickster? or am i being baited by wowhead

elp

[torpid fiber]

Never use ambush as Keep It Rolling

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[brisk lotus]

thats so awkward

lol

[vapid sundial]

Not really

For the longest time we didn't use ambush

[torpid fiber]

ambush is just a really bad button without Hidden Opportunity

[vapid sundial]

Buff ambush by 5000%

Kill kir

[torpid fiber]

No

[indigo token]

dude

genuinely

i might have to settle for 4/8 vault slots

i have this issue with my wifi

where it goes doewn randomly for 5-10 minutes every 15 or so minutes

its so FUCKING ANNOYING

[hasty warren]

https://youtube.com/shorts/izi4_hXD4QY
even kira forgot us

[pastel otter]

should i just go with sims for crafted? crafted ring simming worse than 704 delve ring sadge

[fallow python]

can anyone explain double jeopardy? it says stealth does that mean after subterfuge?

[torpid fiber]

Almost certainly a haste thing

[pastel otter]

yeah i agree, i think ill craft crit - verse ring and make up the haste elsewhere

[torpid fiber]

I think that's also my plan, although I haven't 100% decided yet

[frail veldt]

its specifically after leaving stealth

like stealth stealth

but that includes vanishes

it is not after subterfuge fades

blizzard is very very inconsistent on what it refers to as "stealth"

[fallow python]

so im just sending vanish into GS, is that consuming the double jeopardy?

[frail veldt]

correct

[fallow python]

gotcha so doing what im doing, i dont have to think

!logs

[torpid fiber]

The trick with outlaw is that as long as you know the rules and understand the general gist of "why", you never really have to think more

[fallow python]

ya im still lower in raid than i like but i need to look over it more

[mighty pivot]

dang someone is flaming zac's english

[crude flower]

Deserved

[granite merlin]

Anyone who is playing HO or fatebound in keys how far behind do you end up?

[frail veldt]

okay leme hit you with this. You coup once, you have one free UB stack, you have no PS stacks/BF is on CD, your KS comes off CD from the first coup. Do you:
a) send a low cp KS between the coups
b) send the 2nd coup at low cps and waste KS cdr and just send KS after
c) build with SS and send a normal cp KS in between then coup after

[torpid fiber]

Hmm

is adr up?

[frail veldt]

yes

[keen belfry]

what do i play on forge @vivid vessel

[mighty pivot]

FB is poop but HO trickster is fine

[torpid fiber]

I think it has to be either low CD KS or single SS to fish for a proc; maybe if broadsides is up fishing for a proc becomes stronger? But I think it's probably meant to be low duration SS, but the APL probably goes for C.

My worry is that without broadsides it's quite possible we'd drop the second coup

[frail veldt]

oh interesting

yeah im torn between a and b

[torpid fiber]

I think C is the "correct" option probably

[frail veldt]

sometimes Ill just double send the coup

ah I like never will do C

id rather low cp KS

but usually I will actually do b

[torpid fiber]

I think in practice I would send the coup because my brain wouldn't have time to think about all thid

[frail veldt]

cuz you arent wasting that much cdr on KS by sending 1 low cp coup

[torpid fiber]

I haven't played enough with 4p though to be sure, so I'll get back to you the more I play it

[frail veldt]

lol yeah honestly double coup puts you in WEIRD corner cases

I have another one that I run into a lot

its on the opener

[torpid fiber]

My logic for C being correct is that we already munch UB procs in vanish, so it's clearly not always wrong to munch them

[frail veldt]

you have 3 stacks EB, 3 stacks of UB(cuz you just KSed) and youre capped on vanish stacks.
Do you:
a) Vanish cuz youre capped even though youre gona waste a lot of UB in subterfuge
b) Build to Coup and send double coup before your first vanish(wasting lots of cdr but big crackshot dam)
c) send coups in vanish?(ive never done this lol)

[stiff vector]

bro I rly dont understand this fucking cloak...how do I have only 8 procs on a 3 min fight while the DK has 31..like this shit has gotta be bugged or some shit

[torpid fiber]

man I think I'd kill myself

[frail veldt]

bro thats like every start to every key for me

I actually send the double coup while at max vanish charges

cuz in aoe honestly I have like infinite vanishes I swear

so id rather them just do more damage before the pack dies

[torpid fiber]

I actually think the optimal play here might be to press SS at max CP to get to coup but that feels so doodoo ass

[frail veldt]

yeeeeee ive done that

sometimes

when I am in a KS and I have 3 stacks of EB

I will cut KS short by 1 cp

SS

and then coup

hahahhaa

esp when im near capping vanish

feels kinda hot sometimes

[torpid fiber]

I'm not that gamer I always let KS full channel lmao

[frail veldt]

wild

haha

[torpid fiber]

I decided it just was easier

[frail veldt]

I only let it full channel on ST

never in aoe

[torpid fiber]

It's just easier to do that and spend a few seconds thinking about mobs+planning out my next few buttons

[frail veldt]

im just impatient

I have so many buttons I want to press

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw is so fast paced that I've found having time to "catch my breath" is nice

I do end it early if adr would drop

[frail veldt]

one thing ive been doing that I hate but I think it might be worth

is if youre at 2 stacks EB and 2 stacks UB

I delay my gcd after an SS

to see if I get a 2 set proc

cuz it happens SO OFTEN

[torpid fiber]

I'm not doing that shit I'm just munching

[frail veldt]

and I HATE wasting it

isnt it like a 35% chance or something insane

[granite merlin]

So if I want to change to HO cause my brain can’t handle Kir do I drop a boat load of haste?

I have no idea how you guys know all these edge cases so fast

I think my adhd doesn’t allow me to learn Kir I can only play with hekili 🙁

[torpid fiber]

We spend so long online that we've seen someone run into it and ask about it and we just internalise the answer

3% is 3% (or whatever it is)

[granite merlin]

Yes

The answer is yes

[quasi verge]

i mean aint shit else to take

[granite merlin]

I’m reading it lol

This has to be the hardest spec to play by far

lol

[torpid fiber]

I would say "nah it's just practice" in previous years but yeah it's fucking hard rn

[granite merlin]

It’s like do this ability wiith out building combos but now when killing spree is up but you one combo away from coup but don’t vanish unless

Also all these kir rules lol

[quaint mauve]

soh 🤤🤤🤤

[quasi verge]

in a perfect world

[quaint mauve]

i’ve been having pretty good luck running it

i don’t need the like

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

i played 3 keys

without soh talented

but i tought i had soh

[quaint mauve]

1.9% dr??? from 3% vers in my keys

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

rip

[vivid vessel]

i felt unlucky bro ..

[quaint mauve]

does that mean your luck was good?

[vivid vessel]

(not even)

[quaint mauve]

oh

[vivid vessel]

i didnt notice till i did a priory

and i rolled 3 1 buffer in a row

on first pull

so i opened talents

[quasi verge]

pain

[vivid vessel]

i knew something was fishy

[quaint mauve]

did u a cry a little

cause i would’ve

[vivid vessel]

y

[outer brook]

Meet dietyhd, the best outlaw rogue illidan realm has ever seen

[quaint mauve]

r u asking me y, or saying yes

[wintry solar]

Dietyhd is cute

[quaint mauve]

nice beard

[outer brook]

If I was skinny I’d be cuter

[quaint mauve]

[wintry solar]

[worldly shale]

Smash

[wintry solar]

Nah, some people look better with a couple extra pounds ngl

Men especially. Looks more manly imo

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel did u read today's outlaw buffs

[quaint mauve]

i think all 130 pounds of me is pretty manly

[proven ocean]

on classic

we got good buffs

[outer brook]

I wish I weighed 130….

Or even 180

[quaint mauve]

no u don’t

[worldly shale]

Whats that in normal measurements

[outer brook]

I have no clue lol

[wintry solar]

I had my dream body one time and I was miserable

[quaint mauve]

like 70 something kg

maybe 80 kg

[worldly shale]

80kg

Ye

Im at 103 now

188cm

🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅

[wintry solar]

Looks like a mountain range where they all have cliffs

[gaunt phoenix]

on topic

[wintry solar]

It's been talked to death

Last thing to talk about is the soh cook

It's not even half as fun as it once was

sigh

I guess the midnight rework but it's only speculation on our part. It's not even official, for all we know they're just removing a couple talents and reorganizing the tree.

Damn, solo got me on topic. That mfer...

[craggy barn]

this is 100% the midnight rework, you heard it here first

[wintry solar]

Crackshot gameplay was so decisive amongst the community that I'm 50% sure it's staying.

A lot of people liked it, a lot of people left, some didn't care.

[glass mortar]

its the best thing realz ever made its 100% staying

i could see them making it a choice node tho

or making an alternative

thats within 10%

[wintry solar]

Idk. I can def see it going both ways regarding if it stays or not.

[craggy quiver]

Dunno the hardcore otp for the most part like crackshot

The qol they did to reset CD of bte when vanish helped alot

Made it a lot easier

Or at least not punishing if u fked up

[wintry solar]

Sure but they're no strangers to removing things that the "hardcore" people like

Generally speaking

[late swallow]

103 kg at that height

[craggy quiver]

This is my fav outlaw atm

But Idc I'll play anything

[worldly shale]

Im pumped bruv

[stiff vector]

bruh I cannot time a flood key to save my life with these pugs

[wintry solar]

I play dimmy and it reminds me it's my least favorite.

[late swallow]

If it aligns with your goals, I’m happy for you king

[junior coral]

so any one want to tldr the last week with new cooks/tech? or a place to read a nice snippit lmao

can we not get a AI bot that has a command you put at the end when yall are cooking like crazy... so i can go back and read lmao

[late swallow]

!realz

[glass mortar]

which cooking

[craggy quiver]

It's in tc

[glass mortar]

only cooking im aware of is sleight is back on the menu

[craggy quiver]

Soh + ld

[glass mortar]

but its pretty minor stuff anyway

[craggy quiver]

I'm running it, feels good

[glass mortar]

the st build will play it and it increases ur highroll lowroll potential

the aoe build can play it for a minor loss

[junior coral]

yea, ill sim it

does it feel better? is that why?

[glass mortar]

it doesnt actually change ur playstyle tho as far as i know?

u just get 5 buff more often which is nice

[craggy quiver]

Its neutral in St for me

[wintry solar]

Tob mentioned roll rules

Idk if he retconned it

[craggy quiver]

I basically reroll any two buffs atm

Until I can kir

With or without ld

[junior coral]

its so hard coming to terms with life is too busy for me to really enjoy this game the way i like to lol... so little time to put forth like reading discord, having the time to sim every etc (buy the 16mil sim option helps lmao). i am enjoying this season so far though, only doing 14s atm =/

[wintry solar]

Lowkey, I think imma put S2 tier in the bank for keepsakes

https://tenor.com/view/cherish-the-memories-gif-20430670

[copper radish]

then u can stare at it sad next xpack when its the best thing we have had in two years

[junior coral]

for real, very grateful for this game. im lucky that ive been playing with a group of RL friends for the last 18 years and every one can get around the >.1% depending on life shit

[wintry solar]

Oh don't worry I def will

[junior coral]

im about to mess with sub or ass rogue in keys a little, which one yall rec?

im seeing sub doing like 50 mil on some packs, and i know Ass is really good but with bugs atm... i unno which one to pick... they both suck compared to outlaw lol

[glass mortar]

sin has more overlap with our stats and suffers less in low keys then sub imo

and still bangs in higher keys

[brave lagoon]

man I LOVE when a fight starts like this

[wintry solar]

That's someone's favorite outlaw btw.

[copper radish]

i miss the banger SL days where sub was even more insane aoe than that

[wintry solar]

I swear the first 2 ace procs should be free

At least that way you get some sort of momentum

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[sonic pawn]

@indigo token 🤣 😂

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[torpid fiber]

I vote to make this image a sticker

[junior coral]

how bad are the bugs

[vivid vessel]

I made it a gif it's better

Stickers are too small

[torpid fiber]

Good point

[vivid vessel]

Just get the gif for free memeing points

[stiff vector]

this is a new one, get invited, zone in, get kicked for being outlaw...says I was invited to "unknown" party

[torpid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[sonic pawn]

Such hate for outlaw on the American realms

Disgraceful

[stiff vector]

funny ppart is I literally cant time a floodgate to save my life because the groups suck/the other DPS suck

[craggy barn]

real

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[stiff vector]

ngl I dont know how any keys are even timed with outlaw, the spec is so garbo

how do we even get invited

[junior coral]

to op thats why they took acro...

[craggy barn]

shrug people see my heroic parses and inv

idk

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[craggy barn]

tho ive also been super lazy with doing keys this season so far

[craggy quiver]

You don't get invited

You have to have your own team lol

[quick scaffold]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[fathom whale]

im sitting 22% haste rn, should i craft my belt crit vers>?

[strong halo]

im ngl Prism feels reall reall nice in keys

big burst

[stiff vector]

I had afew pulls with prism I was doing like >20m dps over like 45 sec was kinda blasting

[torpid fiber]

It feels sooo good

[molten oasis]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[teal garnet]

Is there any reason not to use the "Fatebound Opner Macro" for trickster? seems its the same open

[quaint mauve]

i would

[torpid fiber]

Trickster doesn't have the bug it abuses

[teal garnet]

so you have to press it manually then?

[quaint mauve]

i’d assume it doesn’t matter if you do

[teal garnet]

i know there no 6 coin bug

just atleast according to guide both are AR-->GS-->RTB-->BTE

so might as well just use it for both and keep muscle memory if there isnt a reason not to

[frail veldt]

Well you don't want to do that as trickster

It's a different rotation

[teal garnet]

how so?

[frail veldt]

You don't break stealth with gs as trickster

You roll the bones after adr but before opening

Also your vanish conditions as trickster are entirely different

[teal garnet]

i mean I know the rotation differences

im asking literally about just press the fatebound macro in raid opener

[frail veldt]

Yeah I'm saying that's incorrect for trickster technically

[torpid fiber]

You probably could but also is it worth a bind ig

[frail veldt]

Trickster wants to adr->rtb->gs

So you don't waste a global in your first crackshot

[torpid fiber]

oh ye ye

[frail veldt]

You can keep the same bind but just not have the macro there when you're specced trickster

[teal garnet]

bet, thats all I needed to know. was being inconsistent with my opener second guessing things and wanted to make sure I couldnt use the macro

[zinc briar]

what should i do if cant join wiht my alter?

world server is down says the game

i was bugged in a delve

couldnt use nothing of the bag

and tryied to relog

and now i cant join with that char

[wintry solar]

Only thing I know that works is logging on to an alt and /reload

Which is an issue for you at this time

[past fossil]

Outlaw is too much spamming sinister. Makes my wrist sore.

[frail veldt]

Put it on two binds

[gaunt phoenix]

switch them when you get bored

maybe soh makes 1fth more tolerable...

[wintry solar]

I played the assisted highlight rotation for goofs the other day since everyone talks about the one button rotation.

[indigo token]

how was it

[gaunt phoenix]

i imagine as HO it's not too terrible

[wintry solar]

The very first words that came out of my mouth was "huh?"

[gaunt phoenix]

The rtb rule is demonic though

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats the part that killed me

[gaunt phoenix]

They didn't come close to assembling a logic for it

just "rtb with 0 buffs"

[proven ocean]

Man

[wintry solar]

They probably got the idea of reworking Outlaw when developing the rotation helper for it.

[proven ocean]

Fuck darksouls

I want catsouls

[wintry solar]

Kittysouls

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[mighty pivot]

imagine if current outlaw OBR is a spoiler for midnight outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

unironically

tinfoil

dont quote me

[indigo token]

"we decided to make outlaw as ass as possible to get people off it so we can rework it."

[mighty pivot]

[gaunt phoenix]

there is some fragment of an argument to be made

for some other specs

[indigo token]

we've been suffering all expansion

dogshit damage

horrible bugs

[gaunt phoenix]

about how their real rotation is being affected by the assisted rotation

[indigo token]

an entire season on the worst hero tree in the game

[frail veldt]

Like blizzard is guiding the spec towards it via tuning?

[wintry solar]

Didn't realz say something along the lines of KS not trying to be something you press on CD?

[indigo token]

i fucking hate that

[mighty pivot]

more about making it feel like a big button

[alpine stag]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

like some spec changes fit very well with blizz rotation

[wintry solar]

Double negative fucked me up

[gaunt phoenix]

the destro guy in simc was talking about it once

[frail veldt]

Iiiiiiinteresting

[gaunt phoenix]

Destro blizzard rotation is rather good

[frail veldt]

It is very close yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

compared to the real deal

[wintry solar]

I'm probably reading too into it but sounds like something a CD spec would do >.>

[frail veldt]

Only 8% off

With gcd penalty

[mighty pivot]

all lock specs were fairly ok with obr iirc

[indigo token]

im gonna be honest

I dont trust blizzard right now with outlaw

they've treated us like shit all expansion

[mighty pivot]

well

[indigo token]

and we're to expect them to just make it better

[mighty pivot]

they are the devs...

bad news for you

[frail veldt]

They fixed bladeflurry bugs

That was yuge

[wintry solar]

Double vanish

Adr bug

[frail veldt]

We were almost meta for half a season

[wintry solar]

With stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

it feels like they can't devote a lot of resources to rogue lately

[smoky lotus]

youll get what I give and like it -blizzard

[frail veldt]

Yeah

[wintry solar]

That's what the issue feels like to me tbh

New expansion leaves a lot of room on the table for spec development

[gaunt phoenix]

like sin rogue being turbo bugged- that should have been collapsed upon like our wowhead moment

[mighty pivot]

I suspect devourer devoured a lot of attention too

[wintry solar]

Or undevelopment depending on how you look at things.

This guy...

[torpid fiber]

Has anything been fixed or do they need a wowhead article as well

[indigo token]

idk man

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not aware of any fixes

[indigo token]

like I dont want them to fuck with what we have now

because outlaw is a really fun spec!

[frail veldt]

Whispyr made a whole video

Well documenting the bugs

[indigo token]

i dont want them to mess with our ADR uptime without making us without adr feel better

i dont want them to mess with our cp generation because that feels good

[mighty pivot]

I think the most pathetic thing was how quickly the bugs were fixed after the wowhead post. Although they also didn't properly fix fazed for sub until months later

[indigo token]

i dont want the spec to become dramatically slower

i like us having a flat damage profile

[wintry solar]

Lowkey part of the problem I can't lie

[mighty pivot]

things were broken for so long yet magically within a few days they fix like 4 things together

[wintry solar]

Also, I don't think high adr nessicarily equals fun

[drowsy ridge]

The idea that they made Outlaw not great to get people off of it to give them time to rework it isn't that tinfoil hat. I've seen it with other things in other games, including one I worked on as QA

[fathom bramble]

well the fix did also break BF on killing blows so it's not exactly perfect still

[wintry solar]

Demo in wod with demon hunter

[mighty pivot]

sure, but that's a low price to pay

[glass mortar]

i mean

its tinfoil hat but its not unprecedented

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah that happened with demo in wod. but i doubt it's currently true for outlaw

[fathom bramble]

yeah only really matters for solo content and other easy stuff

[mighty pivot]

we'd rather you don't play outlaw

[glass mortar]

the only time i can remember that happening in wow history was demo in wod yea

that one was tragic that spec was goated

[indigo token]

idk man

[wintry solar]

Currently it's just unfortunate

[indigo token]

like

if they want to reduce adr uptime

make the spec function without ADR

[glass mortar]

best ranged dps they ever made and they had to shoot it in the head to make way for dh

[indigo token]

idk man

[gaunt phoenix]

Well that's just when they confirmed it

[indigo token]

im just so nervous

[drowsy ridge]

I'm not saying that I think its what's happening, just that it isn't super far fetched

[wintry solar]

They're not gonna drop adr rush uptime without making the spec function without it

[indigo token]

i feel like at some point I have to accept it into my heart that what I enjoy about the spec are unsustainable, untenable problems that have to be removed

[gaunt phoenix]

they will come back for tww classic

[mighty pivot]

with brand new bugs

[cinder relic]

Didn't they specifically say "We don't want you to play wod demo" lol

[glass mortar]

yup

literally

[wintry solar]

Yeah lol

[indigo token]

yeah

i think that's why etherium was invented

cause demo lock got changed

[cinder relic]

lol ya

[glass mortar]

now to be clear, the official stance was that wod demo was too complicated and required WA to min max, so they wanted to let other specs shine

[torpid fiber]

nah etherium was tbc I thought

[glass mortar]

then they lobotomized it

[torpid fiber]

Etherium was some random ass lock nerf

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

then dh came out next expac and it was like yeah ok blizzard

[mighty pivot]

sounds familiar

[wintry solar]

Demo robbed of their coolest ability lolol

[glass mortar]

the way demos form worked was so sick

[craggy barn]

i already spoiled the midnight changes, no more discussion is needed

[wintry solar]

By a spec mained by degens

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw too complicated and require wa to minmax

[glass mortar]

legit the best caster they ever made

[indigo token]

like

[glass mortar]

it even had a targeted leap

[indigo token]

i can only think of 2

unseen blade tracker

which is the devs fault

[mighty pivot]

tbh meta was originally a DH spell so locks stole it first

[indigo token]

and KIR

[craggy barn]

they gotta take the rogue hero talents on a trip upstate

[indigo token]

which is the devs fault because they cant add buff tracking

[fathom bramble]

this one is also the fault of hidden buff

they can just unhide hidden blade buff and RTB container

[glass mortar]

they deliberatly made unseen untrackable

why?

flavor??

🙂

[indigo token]

yeah

cause its unseen

[hollow bloom]

Cause its “unseen”

[indigo token]

not even you can see it

[glass mortar]

the blades so unseen even we cant see it

mfw

[mighty pivot]

unseen like the iteration on the tree

[craggy barn]

its to help prevent people from tracking yours in pvp 🙂

[glass mortar]

zzz what do i craft this week

[craggy barn]

ring#2

[glass mortar]

yea its that or bracers

[indigo token]

like

[glass mortar]

but i got mythic crit haste bracers

[gaunt phoenix]

mine is gloves it seems

[indigo token]

it feels like we were set up to fail

[glass mortar]

i can probably budget around that

[indigo token]

in terms of WA reliance

[glass mortar]

i was thinking gloves but i got these gloves

[craggy barn]

i crafted bracers this week

[glass mortar]

and like

thats a pretty nice stat breakdown

probably last me till i get mythic vault gloves

[gaunt phoenix]

champion

[glass mortar]

i mean im not gunna be upgrading hero track to 6/6 anytime soon

its basicaly the same

[gaunt phoenix]

u could get anything from vault

[glass mortar]

is there a decent set o gloves this season

[wintry solar]

I think "reliance" was a strong word on their part. While its not require to track a lot of things, you're not doing yourself any favors by not tracking things.

[gaunt phoenix]

from halls ya

[mighty pivot]

hoa gloves

[glass mortar]

oo those are nice

[gaunt phoenix]

but i mean every slot has something

[glass mortar]

yea i'll have those in my vault tuesday

so i cant craft gloves

kinda wanna throw engi bracers

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm i wonder if i should legit wait until the next vault until craft

[glass mortar]

yea that would be the play if i had patience

[indigo token]

the thing is that I can say that about so many specs that its weird to me that they singled out outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

meh

outlaw is THE weakaura spec

it just is

could you remove some of them sure

[indigo token]

Awakening Storms and flame shock numbers on enh
stacks of lightning for mistweaver
stacks of death's chill, frostfire procs for frost mage

(classes I play)

[cinder relic]

Well if the buff was unhidden, you would still need a weakaura for it, no?

[indigo token]

a buff tracker

[cinder relic]

Cuz ud have a proc for "Your next generator is guarenteed to proc UB"

[indigo token]

which the devs seem unable to add

[cinder relic]

Well they are working on it rn

[fathom bramble]

you would just put it on their buff manager and call it a day

it's already acceptable enough for that activitiy

biggest problem with their new stock stuff is that the CP tracker is still annoying and bad

it needs to have no animation and be more customizable

[next wedge]

what is the spell buffer setting ms that we need?

[mighty pivot]

I think there is a big difference between information being available in the default UI and needing a weakaura that tries to count your UB charges - and it still cannot do it reliably

[gaunt phoenix]

it's preference, it depends how you press keys a bit

i've always used the default 400

[craggy barn]

theres no ideal spell queue window number we want
but 250 is fine
400 is fine
200 is fine
100 is meh

[gaunt phoenix]

if something feels off then can try changing it

but it should be like at least double your ping

[craggy barn]

i used to play at 50

and it was fine for me

but u gotta be more on top of ur gcd

[fathom bramble]

anything below 150 is pretty sketchy and probably costing you hidden gcd loss

[wintry solar]

Bro played connected directly to blizz servers

[fathom bramble]

unless your gaming out of your mind

[craggy barn]

i used to have 16 ms

[fathom bramble]

and/or murdering your keyboard at 20+ clicks a second

[craggy barn]

im at 26-35 now

[wintry solar]

This man has lost his composure

[mighty pivot]

I have 3ms I think 6ms window would be horrible though!

[gaunt phoenix]

yea i suppose there is some floor there

[strong halo]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bzlJS4fCucI?si=b2m7yBHRTxgv0HXY this is us isn’t it

[torpid fiber]

I have 7ms I think I'd die at <200sqw

[craggy barn]

loook

my heroic amir parses

50spell queue window

ez

[fathom bramble]

100-150 is probably where a hard floor should be

[wintry solar]

Imagine if disarms were valuable in pve

Eesh

[fathom bramble]

imagine what you could have done without randomly losing 1% of a gcd

that's like 2 whole gcds over the fight

[craggy barn]

i think the last log i actually dived into

was 3 missed gcds

u just gota be very on top of things lol

it feels nicer imo since sometimes ur queue lands before ur press

like back then, i was pressing pretty much in rythm to the gcd, and higher spell queu felt floaty

since the gcd would open, and the queue would snipe my press

[wintry solar]

The Ryu of spellqueues

[craggy barn]

lol

i play at like

200?

rn i think

im old

[wintry solar]

I play at default

Too much work to change

I know the command

Don't wanna do it. Lazy.

[glass mortar]

speaking of this u know what i remembered the other day

when they nerfed alacrity for literally no reason

[craggy barn]

ah no im at 250 rn

[fathom bramble]

I wish it didn't randomly fall off

[glass mortar]

me when sometimes my gcd is just 4% longer for a bit because u turbo low rolled rng

[wintry solar]

I completely forgot about that

[fathom bramble]

bring it back to 100% chance at 5cp

[glass mortar]

it used to be 100% chance guarenteed

they nerfed it to have the slightest chance to fall off in df

why?

theres no gameplay around this talent

me when i arbritrarily add low roll potential to a talent for no reason

[fathom bramble]

well the idea was that we were only taking 1 point alacrity for the full haste

back when MFD was behind it

so you didn't really care for the 2nd point

and the solution to that was to reduce the chance so far that 1 point wasn't good enough to have the haste reliably

[glass mortar]

ok that all makes sense except its still not 100% chance at 2 points

[fathom bramble]

instead of making it like 3%/6% haste at 1/2 points or something

[glass mortar]

so it doesnt actually make sense anymore

[cinder relic]

I think that alacrity change was the worst change of rogue tbqh

[glass mortar]

nah

[fathom bramble]

also they replaced MFD with the insane talent of deeper strat

so like

[indigo token]

cause haste tax

[glass mortar]

i mean this thing doesnt matter at all right

[cinder relic]

No

[glass mortar]

its just

[cinder relic]

It was just a bad way to nerf the talent

[fathom bramble]

so now you care about taking it since you need it for ds

[glass mortar]

96% uptime or w/e

[craggy barn]

idk guy

[glass mortar]

but its silly

[cinder relic]

Should have made it worse, not more inconsistent

[craggy barn]

needing stealth to do damage was the worst change by far

[glass mortar]

ya

no reason to add lowroll potential to it

just making the design worse

its like reducing HO proc rate man just nerf ambush damage or something

why are we stealing the procs

[mighty pivot]

10 different ways to low roll

[drowsy ridge]

Vanish as a part of the rotation makes me sad, particularly for solo content, which resets so very easily

[cinder relic]

People loved crackshot for a few seasons, it's just a bit tired at this point is all

[indigo token]

other than crackshot

how did outlaw do damage

[cinder relic]

The alacrity change is just a bad way to do a nerf

[indigo token]

(i adore crackshot fwiw)

[cinder relic]

Just with generators and spenders

Buffs used to be stronger, because we had less of them

[indigo token]

thats kind of cringe

[fathom bramble]

it also doesn't really make sense

why do you have 2 point talents

[craggy barn]

idc if we stealth or not for damage, literally doesnt matter to me

[fathom bramble]

if you want us to ALWAYS put both points in it

[glass mortar]

why is the only 2 point talent we take 1 point in the one that feels the worst in the entire tree to put 1 in

fth

[mighty pivot]

that's just how they designed rogue spec trees for whatever reason

[glass mortar]

i swear lok 1 fth becoming the build in raid is the worst timeline

[mighty pivot]

that second last row

[cinder relic]

Because rogues class tree has a lot of power in it

Or at least, has a lot of talents that directly relate to damage

[fathom bramble]

1 point take em 1 point fth is a surprisingly close kir build and could sneak in at any moment

[craggy barn]

guy, was 1fth even possible in season 1

like was it even worth doing

or not even discovered til s2

[wintry solar]

Its really not. When done right it's very fun.

[cinder relic]

Probs not discovered

[indigo token]

like

i can enjoy that gameplay

but I like it cause it leads to crackshot windows

[glass mortar]

yea thats giga cursed 1 fth just uber lowrolls when it gets the bad rng streaks

make this thing a 1 point talent plz

or change the functionality of the second point to damage

[west quartz]

Question: should I hold off on any BTE''s if I am not in a Crackshot window?

[wintry solar]

From unnerfed fth to 1fth is wild tbh

[mighty pivot]

crackshot is very good, the issue is the baggage vanish itself brings. And it doesn't affect just solo play

[fathom bramble]

I feel like there's no real solution to this other than making resource talents insanely strong and/or in a spot where they are easy to take

since resource talents will always compete with potentially stronger(pending tuning) talents that offer no gameplay

[cinder relic]

I get its cool to hate ret paladin, but it was very much like ret paladin in a lot of ways

You rotate thru ur generators, use your spenders

[torpid fiber]

I'm like 80% sure there was a build in SL where we didn't didn't take quick shot, which was super cursed

[cinder relic]

It was simple, but it rewarded good play, didn't have a lot of nonsense like the spec has rn

[fathom bramble]

there is potentially always going to be a resource talent that you wish you could take instead of simple damage

[wintry solar]

That's what I've enjoyed about outlaw tbh

[fathom bramble]

but the simple damage wins out in the end

[indigo token]

i mean i do like ret paladin, and that does sound nice but the thing is that there's a lot of things with older versions of outlaw that smell awful to me

like how RTB was a cp spender

[cinder relic]

They changed that in SL

It was as it is rn

[wintry solar]

You had to be there to know for sure tbh

[indigo token]

yeah

i started in dfs3

[wintry solar]

If you liked it or not

[craggy barn]

the rtb change was so nice

i really didnt like finisher rtb

strong buffs or not

well

i dont like it compared to what we have now

back then i didnt care, i prefered rtb over slice

cuz it was funny

[torpid fiber]

Finisher rtb sucked

[glass mortar]

you know what sleight should do

in addition to its current stuff it should make it so you can press RtB again within 3 seconds of a first one regardless of its cd

double roll

[craggy barn]

what if we had an ability that converted buffs to other buffs

like a KIR choice node

[cinder relic]

I liked finisher RTB

was kinda quirky

I think finisher RTB would be zacs 9/11

[indigo token]

it sounds like MY 9/11

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[craggy barn]

in legion, it was fine because we ddidnt really have another option that was interesting

[torpid fiber]

I hated finisher rtb bc it made bad luck feel so ass

[craggy barn]

the other option was slice and dice

[wintry solar]

I've never been more neutral towards a change to outlaw than the rtb change tbh.

[cinder relic]

SND didnt exist in legion

[mighty pivot]

rtb feels better as a non-finisher

[fathom bramble]

finisher RTB letting you have an option to not sit on the worlds worse buffs was nice

[cinder relic]

Was a RTB talent but

No rogue spec used it

[craggy barn]

yea

thats what i mean

there was no real option

[fathom bramble]

SND build was bis in the final tier with the trinket

but other than that yeah

[torpid fiber]

My issue with finisher rtb was that it felt like you just didn't get to play with most of the buffs

[craggy barn]

rtb finisher just felt weird bc sometimes u whiffed hard

especially before the weighting change

[fathom bramble]

imagine whiffing hard with a CD on rtb and nothing you can do about it

[craggy barn]

the full random RTB was BLEH

until they changed how it worked

[ancient cobalt]

hey guys i just got a mythic sigil see yall later

[craggy barn]

bye

[torpid fiber]

Like the fun part of rtb for me is the minor gameplay variance but I'm pretty sure at least early on in bfa we kept rp/gm so i just never felt any difference

[craggy barn]

sub was the real spec to play in legion tho

[wintry solar]

I think I prefer finisher rtb

[craggy barn]

0 fall damage

just ganking fools in the sky

[fathom bramble]

taking fall damage on outlaw is a skill issue

[craggy barn]

dismount stealth cheapshot

[glass mortar]

sub was very funny for the 5 seconds before they realized shadowstrike perma teleport in shadowdance was absurd in pvp and disabled it

unkitable spec

[craggy barn]

god that was fun

[indigo token]

guys

[craggy barn]

it was so obviously busted

[indigo token]

i have an idea

rtb is now an empowered spell finisher

and the longer you hold it

the more buffs you get

cause you're fucking with the dice

[wintry solar]

Zzz

[indigo token]

:xdd:

[craggy barn]

if RTB did damage

maybe

pepw

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[craggy barn]

the dice come outta nowhere

are huge

they should do some damage

[fathom bramble]

I'm almost positive that's a joke

[wintry solar]

Dude my dream from way long ago

[fathom bramble]

but it's also the worst RTB idea I've ever heard

[craggy barn]

for sure

lol

[wintry solar]

Where rtb made you explode called "Watch this"

[indigo token]

why the fuck would it be ANYTHING ELSE THAN A JOKE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[glass mortar]

new talent that replaces RtB

everytime u cast dispatch, u RtB

it does damage in an aoe around u

[wintry solar]

Dude

[glass mortar]

the dice explode

just perma gamble

[wintry solar]

Watch them delete rtb and they super buff CTO and make it baseline

[craggy barn]

i wonder how outlaw would be if we went back to pre cs outlaw

[mighty pivot]

that would be ok though

[craggy barn]

i dont even remember what our talent tre looked like

[wintry solar]

It was rather bare

[glass mortar]

idk i dont want crackshot to go away id rather see it iterated on

we arent a cd spec but this is like the most weve ever been able to flex damage into adds or certain windows

[cinder relic]

Was a lot worse

[craggy barn]

god its awful

[cinder relic]

It was just HO vs KiR

[wintry solar]

I miss it tho

[cosmic yoke]

RTB should be a builder that gives a combo point for every buff I don't get

[indigo token]

holy fuck you actually took greenskins wickers

[glass mortar]

people have blotted out the memory of the audacity kir ST build

you used ambush procs to maintain find weakness

[craggy barn]

HOKIR

[glass mortar]

[craggy barn]

the true build

[cinder relic]

lol ya

Good ol find weakness

[wintry solar]

DB my beloved

[glass mortar]

that shit was turbo cursed

[craggy barn]

i miss pressing ambush on a separate button

[wintry solar]

FW sucked yeah

[craggy barn]

whatever the rework does to us

i just hope we get some prio damage back

[wintry solar]

Surely we'll see the rework when alpha launches and it's not gatekept

Idk why they'd do that

[cinder relic]

Every outlaw rework thats happened has been fun

[wintry solar]

Eh

[cinder relic]

Hoping the upcoming one is great too

[craggy barn]

@cinder relic how did u do this

[wintry solar]

They've all been fun but there have been some that are miles better than others

And when you know how fun outlaw can be, it's kinda sad.

[craggy barn]

u just insta changed ur pfp on me wtf

[wintry solar]

Hi mom, I'm on TV!

I should stop comparing outlaw to SL outlaw

She's never coming back

[cinder relic]

Lol

One is my discord pfp and the other is my server pfp

[fierce trout]

Bring back Legion Outlaw

Or better yet, Combat

[wintry solar]

Lemme think

Combat no

Shoo

Legion outlaw was fun

[craggy barn]

bring back revealing strike pepw

[fathom bramble]

legion outlaw might be too slow for the gamers of this time period

[wintry solar]

Would rather sl or bfa outlaw though

[worn ether]

Bfa was the chefs kiss

[mighty pivot]

have there been any more logs with bugged coins since yesterday?

[fierce trout]

What was the broken thing we did in bfa season 1 again?

[midnight granite]

is this guy cooking or

[fathom bramble]

it's a known possibly good build

they might've just ripped it from discussions taking place here

[midnight granite]

sleight over ss?

[worn ether]

If I remember correctly we were uncapped, so you would run double outlaw ha

[midnight granite]

kinda crazy no?

yeah bf used to be uncapped

kek

[drowsy ridge]

It also was a toggle instead of a CD

[hybrid crown]

I had it slightly win for an HO build

it was a tiny difference

[fierce trout]

I thought we had an item that broke us

[midnight granite]

we do right now

its a once a week lockout item

gg

[hybrid crown]

you can get the 678 one and its alright

but the 691 is the rng one

[midnight granite]

yeah but the 691 is huge

[wintry solar]

Also Wits

[hybrid crown]

678 is from the freebie token thing

oh

[wintry solar]

It had charges

[drowsy ridge]

Before even that it didn't. Just a toggle with an energy regen penalty

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[drowsy ridge]

And even before that it was 2 mintue CD that had the attack speed bonus that got baked into ADR

[cinder relic]

None of these are correct

The reason it was broken in BFA was exclusively wits

The spec was terrible until wits, and then was the best spec in the game by far, with wits

[midnight granite]

well also uncapped

[cinder relic]

It was terrible in S1

It got added in S2

[wintry solar]

Another notch on the handle

[wintry solar]

Oh s1

[midnight granite]

yeah

[wintry solar]

Idr that far back

[midnight granite]

but if we had wits

and no uncapped

it would not have been as good.

[cinder relic]

Well the spec was bad, uncapped, in S1

and all the time before that

It was exclusively wits that made it absurd

Wits used to proc PER target hit by flurry

So instantly in AOE you had 100% chance to proc opportunity

[vapid sundial]

My beloved

[cinder relic]

And when the spec wasnt 99% AR uptime baseline, having more than double CP income was an insane thing to have

It got nerfed to per attack flurried, that hits another target, and was still broken

Very fun talent for sure

[vapid sundial]

TALENT

TALENT HE SAYS

[cinder relic]

azerite trait yk

[wintry solar]

He knows something we dont...

It slipped

We know you're a dev

Or working with them

[glass mortar]

hes worse then a dev

hes a shareholder

😠

the shadowpuppets

[vapid sundial]

Guy #1 blizzard shill

Frfr

[wintry solar]

Whatever makes Outlaw fun in all content idrc what he is

MOGA

It's typically how I rate expansions

[next wedge]

is there a zac pov of araz

[wintry solar]

It's why SL one of my favs

[quick scaffold]

My bte is doing 1.7m avg cast and im using 7cp with vanish into gs. Im looking at logs and I see people with 3m. How can increase my avg cast dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

what log has 3m average bte?

1.7 sounds very normal for fatebound and no damage amps

[small crescent]

Guys are people using daggers now for m+ or still the 678/691 cudgel?

All zacs logs show using dagger OH

[gaunt phoenix]

678 cudgel is technically worth it but it's lame

[torpid fiber]

Optimal is weapon swapping during the key

[gaunt phoenix]

so zac doesnt care

[small crescent]

I feel like the energy regen has dipped quite a lot since ditching s2 4pc

So dagger helps compensate

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm i was looking at the combined bte+dispatch

[torpid fiber]

Dagger does not increase energy regen

[small crescent]

I dont see quake damage in any of his logs

[torpid fiber]

It never has afaik either
Combat potency is normalised for attack speed

[gaunt phoenix]

he doesnt use it

[torpid fiber]

!oh

[gaunt phoenix]

i just said'

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[small crescent]

Huh? More hits != more energy?

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[mighty pivot]

read the bot message

[torpid fiber]

Daggers have a lower chance to proc it

[glass mortar]

if we r being honest theres no reason for it to even be a % chance

[gaunt phoenix]

okay for me i approach 3m bte as trickster but not as fatebound

trickster gets flawless form stacks which influence bte damage

[glass mortar]

[brave fossil]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[frail veldt]

I think all of our dooming about how bad outlaw is is leaking out of the channel cuz I cannot get an invite at all

[old gull]

Same

[random geyser]

Is 60% uptime on RTB buffs good on an avg pull?

[flat briar]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[frank finch]

damn wrong game version , you think they gonna realize?

[random geyser]

!log

[wintry solar]

@late swallow You ever heard of Opeth?

[somber plank]

In a single-target Fate build, is it better to use Killing Spree until the end, or to interrupt it at 6-7 combo points?

[strong halo]

do you target target fish sticks in gambit

or just ignore and hope for cleave

[late swallow]

yeah I listened to them a lil bit when I was younger

they've got some banger tracks

damnation is a dope album

[late swallow]

you ever listen to between the buried and me?

[wintry solar]

Was thinking of getting this as a tattoo

[late swallow]

sacred geometry bro

could be cool if that's like your omega giga fav band and it means something special to you

[wintry solar]

Top 3 for sure

[wintry solar]

I might have. That sounds very familiar

[late swallow]

check out coma machine

quite possibly one of the cleanest, well produced prog metal albums of all time

[wintry solar]

It's pretty good ngl

[sonic nimbus]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[dawn tundra]

I legit can't even find a Heroic group for Manaforge. I think Outlaw might just be cooked.

[rotund zodiac]

Cuz we are outlaw

[copper radish]

We got buffs??

[dawn tundra]

Imagine Outlaw being buffed and... Maybe, just maybe reworked so it's not as complex.

[random geyser]

imagine outlaw had a burst window and was actually in like b tier instead of c or d

[shell fossil]

678 offhand is good offhand

now i want the 691 version 😐

[wintry solar]

CD outlaw in midnight

Write that down

[brisk lotus]

so like theres gotta be a bug where the 4set of trickster does alot of damage because rn at 701 i am doing nothing

no damage

[random geyser]

do u have old 4 pc?

[torpid fiber]

in keys or raid

[dull ivy]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[brisk lotus]

i have only the new 2 piece

in keys

[shell fossil]

get the 678 offhand and zac's weapon swap reminder wa

tuning right now is bum status and probably balanced around this thing/raid trinkets

[random geyser]

thats y nyko

[shell fossil]

it adds something like 1.5m overall if you're using it on trash

[dawn talon]

im jus playin mage at that point bro

[brisk lotus]

can u link it?

[wintry solar]

You're playing half the specs ngl

Only differences are the animations and icons

Art team carries wow

[shell fossil]

it's this one https://wago.io/elwWiwJax

i haven't figured out how to get the icon to show all the time which would be a nice addition

just set up the macro in the comments for your offhands and a keybind and this thing pops up when you swap

[hardy thicket]

did you break your old 4pc and use new 2pc?

[brisk lotus]

i never had old 4pc

its a brandnew character

[hardy thicket]

oh

unlucky

[cinder haven]

If you have a log we can troubleshoot

[brisk lotus]

aw

ill log next time

maybe im fucking up the rotation

ill get back to you guys on that on