outlaw

[vivid vessel]

bro idk

i legit cannot understand

how this shit

[vivid vessel]

is supposed to work

i hate fb

so much

[mighty pivot]

zac why do the tooltips matter anyway? Blizzard just writes whatever they want in there anyhow

[cinder haven]

GS with DJ should give you 3+3

then BTE should be a normal roll

it should probably not be possible to use DJ on multiple skills

[vivid vessel]

why 3

shouldnt it be 4

dj is 2

[worldly shale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB-lf1nlxHs

ok

we are

zzz

what is going on

[vivid vessel]

edge is 1/1 but then its also 1/1 cause tier

[worldly shale]

who is this guy

[vivid vessel]

ehr

[torpid fiber]

getting ragebaited by random youtubers

[mighty pivot]

this video was discussed like a week or two ago too

[vivid vessel]

4/3

no?

[worldly shale]

just popped in my recc

xd

[stiff hawk]

I really dont watch WoW related content

[cinder haven]

edge case is 2+2

[stiff hawk]

most of it is ragebait

or misinformation

[cinder haven]

DJ adds 1+1?

it's ok?

[worldly shale]

"its absolute dogshit i would never ever recommend it to a friend"

real

[torpid fiber]

At this point I just watch yugioh videos ngl

[mighty pivot]

half of the wow related videos are straight up rage bait or dooming (see bellular or whatever his name is)

[worldly shale]

i loved cyber dragons

idk why

like 10 years ago

[torpid fiber]

oldge

[mighty pivot]

watch yugioh abridged

[vivid vessel]

i give up tob

imma assume fb doesnt work for the rest of the tier

i cba

[torpid fiber]

I'm like 80% sure it's some server tick nonsense and/or there's some safeguard to prevent bugs that we're managing to maliciously trigger

[cinder haven]

I think behavior is stable and understandable if you don't try to force the bte bug

there's one positive bug when you send both adr + gs

[torpid fiber]

My theory rn is that stealth only breaks at the end of a server tick or something similar

[molten oasis]

Hey just looking at the guide why is dagger best off hand in raid?

[spare dome]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[willow portal]

wr23, damn i must be really good right?

[sacred fog]

Is ambush build viable for keys? If you can optimize keep it Rolling build, how far behind would it be?

[mighty pivot]

it is viable yes

[sacred fog]

Okay, thanks! I can’t really decide if I should stick with keep it rolling.

I’m kinda new to the spec but i’ve started to feel comfortable with it. But i catch myself losing AR uptime sometimes and the occasional death really punish you.

[mighty pivot]

for keys (so trickster) HO is fine. I think it's for fatebound that KIR is way more ahead

[willow portal]

did you grab the rtb wa?

it helps with when to roll and when to keep

[sacred fog]

Yeah i use the weakaura and follow it religiously. I dont track my AR uptime but its usually up most of the run

But if i die, or mis-manage vanish uses u really feel punished for a while 😒

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

[mighty pivot]

dying can do that and there is nothing you can do about it if you die with like 120s on AR

so just get more used to spending your vanish charges to avoid the other case

[quaint mauve]

did u die on fract.

[sacred fog]

I might try out the HO build and see how it compares. Thanks!

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble can you cancel fractilus break wall knock back

I'm effraid to troll my guild so I never tried

But it looks like the walls break anywya before I get to them so idk

[proper veldt]

you can on heroic

[zenith egret]

Between the pull with coin bug yesterday I found it possible to hook right before being send to the wall

[proper veldt]

@vivid vessel

[daring oxide]

ya this is true

just grapple mid knock and they still break

as long as you are in the lane when the spell goes off

doesn't matter where u are

@vivid vessel is it really a practical gain to play around the gs/adr with DJ or could we just play as normal as FB

[vivid vessel]

guys

stop it !

wtf

[daring oxide]

no !

[vivid vessel]

wait did you rename

i was wondering who that zng was

its just you

make sense now

[vivid vessel]

oh ye it is for sure

[strong flicker]

whats the problem with devastation? every time i see them they do good overall dmg but in rio or influencer tierlist they always in c tier

[vivid vessel]

they are casters

so they are worse at the game by default

thats it

[regal saffron]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

stop it !

[regal saffron]

I pinged you in off topic

[vivid vessel]

ye

imn at work

[regal saffron]

Check it

[vivid vessel]

cant watch the bideo

[inland acorn]

he didn't, but fract has only like 34 outlaw kills, so he's probably competing with a lot of good law players

[vivid vessel]

prices actually go crazy lol

[willow portal]

no

idk what happened on fract

historical bad pull for me somehow

[inland acorn]

Don't worry

[stiff hawk]

Im glad i got this while it was not BOE and i couldnt trade it

[proven ocean]

Theres a vers only 4m gold ring atm

[stiff hawk]

[inland acorn]

For me it was also first boss in my history of outlaw, where i parsed gray somehow

Corrected it to green last night

[willow portal]

being literal last feels weird

[vivid vessel]

ye i saw

imma wait next week tho i think

[willow portal]

but obviously all other outlaws are just build diff pros that play that class for 5years already

[proven ocean]

Abit cooked that deal is good but still omega early so idk

[inland acorn]

I feel like due to fight duration being somewhat short, you can actually get shafted by rng there

[proven ocean]

Since farming those boe’s isnt as cancer as last tier

[inland acorn]

with coins and ace procs shit

[vivid vessel]

well im at wrok so

[proven ocean]

Prob ppl will farm alot more this time

[vivid vessel]

and i think it will only go down

i dont need it this week

at all

4mil is a lot still

[proven ocean]

It is ye idk

[vivid vessel]

bis stat belt gonna go crazy tho @proven ocean

[proven ocean]

Thats price of chest+avoidance

Rly good prices this season

Glad they arent rare as shit

Like

[vivid vessel]

well its like

[proven ocean]

Week 1 u could only see 1-2 heads

[vivid vessel]

3/4 per guild per week

boes

[proven ocean]

This week 10

[still matrix]

Outlaw buff when? Im being out AOE'd by brew monks on aoe

[vivid vessel]

its not that many tbh

[vivid vessel]

[hasty warren]

sub rota is brain dead or i'm wrong ?

[vivid vessel]

you are right

[willow portal]

sub is just really weird

who wants to play like that

[quaint mauve]

its ok kaz… i don’t love you for your parses

[hasty warren]

I was training for ST and figured it was just pressing abilities in good order

[agile orchid]

only difficult part is executing the flag window correctly

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw

Hc neck was like above 1m for an entire month or someshit

Rings are 450k on hc already

Prob every thing is gonna go to normal prices in a month for mythic

I wish those boe’s were a lil more common or atleast guaranteed

Like we didnt see any in our raid last night

[dim falcon]

is there a good guide for outlaw with more details then wowhead? maby wich is also explaining the Markos and how to use them?

[light kernel]

@dim falcon #outlaw-faq

[vivid vessel]

ye we got like

2 i think?

clearing every trash in the raid

since it was a full reclear till dimmy

[cobalt sail]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[proven ocean]

U dont need to tho

Its just minibosses isnt it

[vivid vessel]

no i jsut mean

every big dude

like more than you did prolly

since we go to dimmy

[stiff hawk]

was only the case for undermine

every mob can drop boe

[vivid vessel]

i dont think thats true

for a few weeks we tried killing all the trash around soul hunter

you nkow the shitters

tehre is a bunch everywheer

we never got boes from these mobs

[stiff hawk]

We got BOEs from randoms mobs in the corridors of Loomithar and Souldbinder iirc

[lime lake]

ive definitely gotten boes from random shitters in those corridors

[hasty warren]

Do every outlaw play PC on Soulbinders MM ?

[quaint mauve]

my pug tanks must have a connection to iblis

like idc that people make mistakes it’s whatever

but tanks deserve the worst idk

[lucid sandal]

My parses are turbo bad on mythic

Actually shameful

[willow portal]

You are doing important work then

[lucid sandal]

You and me both apparently

[willow portal]

Very happy that i got rid of my grey loomy parse

[lucid sandal]

Me next week for sure

And dagger will drop

Tonight I reclaim rank 1

I really struggle with the new rule tho ngl

[daring oxide]

you can only get once per lockout right?

[daring oxide]

the loot only drops from the big mobs right? like the giant eye demon thing before forgeweaver?

[vivid vessel]

idk

no

to me it drops from any big guy

taht istn an actual trash trash

like the ones that grips you for example

[cinder haven]

yay, got the boots

just hc, but still nice

[daring oxide]

ya those

so the big creeper thing too before fract

or yeah those grippy boys too

@vivid vessel these 4

the named mobs

[cedar kernel]

no tuning yet?

[vivid vessel]

can you send the link

[royal stump]

I’m thinking of transitioning from sub/ass to outlaw for myth Raid is it worth

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/lothar/sneaki

Current logs

[daring oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=238031/veiled-manta-vest

[daring oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=239454/darkmage-zadus

[vivid vessel]

im kinda wondering how accurate that is

like

if i kill a whole pack of mobs

you loot the pack not the one specific mob no?

or does it know from whcih mob you get loot

[daring oxide]

id assume wowhead would have the mobs listed if it actually did come from those packs, but from experience I've only ever seen loot drop from those 4 big named mobs

in heroic/normal

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

imma be runnign double last boss weapon this tier i think

gonna be a banger

double sword mog everywheer

[daring oxide]

you can do double sword mog with dagger btw

when you set up your tmog

make sure in main hand to select legion artifact

rather than the direct weapon

and pick thunderfury for example, and it'll force the offhand appearance to be a sword too

even if its a dagger

[vivid vessel]

But I want to use the legion artifact lol?

[daring oxide]

i dunno

i assumed u like thunderfury

but yeah i guess for any other sword gg

[shut lichen]

The rapier version of the dreadblades is top tier

[daring oxide]

yea

but i dont have 😭

i hope they let us get it again 🙁

if we get any tuning, tomorrow at 1am EU time when it drops ye

[pearl topaz]

is warpclaw bugged

[shut lichen]

I'm going to hold your hand when I tell you this

[daring oxide]

yes, it sometimes doesn't work on some bosses etc

i had issues with it not hitting loomithar

i think its because the effect is like a line attack, and because loom is in the air, it misses

[proper veldt]

wtf 10 mil in streets arcane mage

[arctic hollow]

!logs

[vivid vessel]

It's an exploit run

They mind control the mob that put a debuff

10% arcane damage amp

Stacks forever

They do the same in HOA

With the mced mob that makes you take more damage

[proper veldt]

of course

its mind control

ofc

surely they delete it in midnight

[gaunt palm]

Does Soulbreaker's sigil proc more often, if you target swap? Or is the "cd" based upon the proc, not the target?

[stiff vector]

Ye I found this last week, god damn Chinese mages are always up to some sussy stuff

[cinder haven]

yes only the mages, surely

[willow portal]

for what reason tho? sub is better for like last 2 fights and the rest can be done as either sub or assa.

[royal stump]

Outlaw is what I’m used to and just feels better

[inland acorn]

Switching from outlaw to sub/assa is actually the move for raid

not the other way around

[willow portal]

ye

sadly

i dont wanna sub

[red zinc]

death rankings in raid

we tankier than prot pala

(completely different roles obviously)

[jolly geyser]

shadow priest more like dying priest

[red zinc]

kinda funny to me that enhance is in the middle

really dont feel like they are more tanky than hunters

[vivid vessel]

Always wondered what death ranking really meant

I think it's heavely biased

[lime lake]

its very weird

[vivid vessel]

By how meta a spec is

[lime lake]

cause like evoker definitely isnt a squishy spec ngl

[vivid vessel]

For exampel

Enhance isn't played in raid

[lime lake]

they just dumb

[vivid vessel]

In the end bosses

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

So they will die less

Same for outlaw

Know what I mean

[red zinc]

ye

difficulty -> more deaths

[vivid vessel]

And also like

Sub is meta

[red zinc]

although i think this only counts early deaths so idk

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw isn't

[fading hatch]

how much of a loss is it for fatebound to use the AR opener macro, and then just macro GS into BTE and never think about it again

[vivid vessel]

Does that mean all the shitter that reroll rogue play sub

And not outlaw

And then kinda bump up the average a bit

[red zinc]

like this is only plexus

maybe a better stat

[vivid vessel]

Compared to outlaw that is played by tryhard outlaw only

Things like that

[red zinc]

still pretty similar

[vivid vessel]

Always makes me wonder

[red zinc]

idk how arms warrior is dying that much though

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue

Idk how you die on plexus tbf

[lime lake]

i like how some classes have specs spread relatively far apart

then you have stuff like dk and druid where they all die basically the same

[red zinc]

there is a lot of variance since outside of some extremes its all pretty close together

the only conclusion you can really take from this

is why does shadow priest have no fucking defensives

[lime lake]

[red zinc]

like they got a lot of healing but

[lime lake]

also slow

[red zinc]

how are you only going to give a class 10% + 10% plus 400k barrier

[lime lake]

so die more to shit

[red zinc]

as their only defensive options

[fading hatch]

talent heavy hitter, dmg increases to spells that generate combo points, does that also apply to finishers that generate cp? crackshot/ks thinking

[red zinc]

like 1 feint from us is as strong as their 3 "defensive" buttons times two

[red zinc]

no

ace is the thing that generates combo points so it wouldnt make sense on that anyway

and KS it just doesnt

conscious choice i guess

[indigo token]

so its survivorship bias

[gaunt phoenix]

you did get 4/2

[willow portal]

So my excuse for my parses isnt just copium nice

[gaunt phoenix]

i think the 50ms delay was some unlucky timing that fucked it?

[vivid vessel]

Hm

I mean isn't it weird how I get one tail then it get deleted

Or

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[vivid vessel]

Shouldn't it just go to 2 at the very least

Also you see how there is a 50ms delay even tho they are on the same press

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah i did

[vivid vessel]

Fulk energy

GCD ready

So idk

[gaunt phoenix]

i've seen that before but idk why

[vivid vessel]

Weird af

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i needgear..

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel i needgear..

[vivid vessel]

I'm almost full gear kekw

Im 715.69 rn I think

And I have plenty to upgrade still

• buying boe belt and ring in a few weeks

Imma be full gear so quick this tier

Especially with all the free crests I get from mythic vault

[proven ocean]

????????????

wtf

im only 710

holy shit dude

[indigo token]

holy shit

[gaunt phoenix]

idk why it takes 400ms to process the 6 coins

[indigo token]

ZAC BLASTING

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[vivid vessel]

What

How

[proven ocean]

dont what me

i know

[vivid vessel]

You didn't spend anything or

[proven ocean]

it is what it is

bro

can u stop

cuz

im the unluckiest guy in the planet

[vivid vessel]

I also spent my 15 last gilded on hc prism

Cause we finish prog this reset

[proven ocean]

i raid and i have less ilvl than non raiders

like

[vivid vessel]

I think

[proven ocean]

its w.e

bro

listen

not a single trinket dropped

forgeweaver nor prism

[vivid vessel]

Well last tier you had insane gear cuh

[proven ocean]

no chest

no nothing

ye i know

i was ahead of everyone

giga ilvl

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

ngl i expected this

this guild im in is just way behind

its fine tho i'll join a top 100 next expac

Also this guild im in is giving tier and items on myth to healers

💀

Minmaxing hps or someshit

Dont ask

[vivid vessel]

I like my guild rn

I think I found the sweet spot

Public logging for fun in reclears

We do splits but not too many

[indigo token]

i like my guild rn too

[vivid vessel]

Fast clear

[indigo token]

we're at 2/8M rn

[proven ocean]

Idk my guild doesn’t give a shit about minmaxing ilvl

[vivid vessel]

Fun vibes

[proven ocean]

And boe’s they just steal instead of keeping it for us

They sell ‘em

[vivid vessel]

I'm happy

[proven ocean]

For feasts which cost 0 gold

Like idk whats going on

I tried talking to them but legit no point in trying

[winter cave]

ffs everybody in the raid group got mythic antenna in vault and I still didn't even get a lfr one.

[vivid vessel]

They give pots at least ?

[winter cave]

Got Sigil at least yesterday....

[proven ocean]

like

once

and thats it

[vivid vessel]

Gg

[proven ocean]

i dont even take it

because its just 20

and then they dont restock idk

[vivid vessel]

Ross

I got 717 chest in vault

You realize how op that shit is

[proven ocean]

idk why i keep on raiding with friends all the time

like

every guild i join is just worse in one way or another

its fun here but the gear optimization is -100

its like talking to a wall when u try to help xd

[proven ocean]

ye i mean

ur giga set for the entire patch

like look at my gear

[proven ocean]

i legit dont look like a raider rn

btw zac

last guild i was in

gave 0 items to healers

it was so good

like

legit 0

we had crazy dps because of it

[vivid vessel]

you didnt use any gilded no ?

[proven ocean]

not really i dont have any myth item

[vivid vessel]

ye i get it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4UwGnB2twkYkq9U4ySqBn5

[proven ocean]

just chest which is no point spending on atm

cuz im buying chest later

[vivid vessel]

im lucky i got plenty of shit to spend gilded on

i got a 714 head

717 chest

714 legs

[hasty warren]

bless of autumn is useless on us right ?

[proven ocean]

i could spend on this ring i guess? @vivid vessel

or is it a scam

idk

[vivid vessel]

idk ..

707 upgrading is cringe af this tier

[proven ocean]

ye i know

not to mention my vault was dogshit this week

got a socket

[green elm]

!wa

[vivid vessel]

i got 714 antena aswell

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vivid vessel]

idk

this tier been crazy

im litteraly up 90+ gilded prolly

over random guy that just do mythic raiding

[proven ocean]

antenna is useless

cuz ur gonna run forge on last 2 anyway

[vivid vessel]

well

no

im running antenna

i think if you have mythic antenna its jsut better

[cedar kernel]

my warrior in group got banned for 3 days

[vivid vessel]

than trying to get hc forge

for nothing

[proven ocean]

for what

bosses?

[vivid vessel]

714 antena will just end up being better value

ye

[proven ocean]

idk

maybe

[vivid vessel]

I think you dont pass up on a 714 antenna in vault

even if its slightly worse than forge

we dont raid for long enough that you can afford that kind of things

im killing it this reset i think

dimmy

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel how do u have 2 daggers

legit 0 dropped since day 1

[vivid vessel]

ross

the crazy thing is

i didnt craft a weapon

cause i knew i would soak daggers

so i have 2 daggers and an outlaw weapon

all 723

[proven ocean]

ur a wow dev or what

cuz no way u got all that loot

[vivid vessel]

im just missing mythic hands

and im full gear basically

[fading hatch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nHHZ3r3sT2pGsuAXFRY2wf

am i an idiot? how is sacbrood worse than void touched fragment? when im clearly a bit short on haste too

[vivid vessel]

mythic prism i guess i didnt get

[fading hatch]

did i sim wrong?

[vivid vessel]

but im basically bis what you could have gotten fro prog

legit impossible to get better im ngl

i did get an useless vault tho @proven ocean

i took a hc antenna cause i didnt have a second trinky

[stiff glade]

I'm progging as outlaw and my guild doesn't have anyone using daggers, so even I have a myth dagger just lying around. What are you even doing not looting them zeross?

[vivid vessel]

and i got mythic antenna the week after in vault

but kinda whatever

[daring oxide]

jesus so fast

[inland acorn]

because neck + trinket are too much haste

[dull moon]

does it matter what type of a weapon you craft? I see that most people craft the sword

[vivid vessel]

vai

i kill dimensius sunday or monday ok

and i get double weapon attrib

ok?

[glass mortar]

all that matters is dagger vs slow weapon (you need a slow mh)

different weapon types use different stones but thats it

zac what is this sleight nonsense btw

r u actually playing this

[copper radish]

Sleight goes hard still 20% no joke

[glass mortar]

losing to 4% vers doesnt seem like it goes hard

but it isnt losing by much i guess

since 4% vers is only ever 4% damage if that anyway

[fading hatch]

it has the option of crit vers neck though. however, i did have soleahs set to haste which is true and swapping to versa changes it

today i learned that it really does not like haste once it has enough

[glass mortar]

yea hastes pretty much worthless after the cap

[inland acorn]

haste loses almost all value once you get breakpoint

[glass mortar]

its like half of a real secondary if that

[inland acorn]

another brilliant change from blizzard

to make us pay haste tax

[glass mortar]

guys surely we dont get two expansions of haste tax

[inland acorn]

no

We get three

[glass mortar]

we need to be lock stop when 12.0 alpha forums come out

everyone needs to post to remove this shit

[daring oxide]

you dont lose 4% vers

[glass mortar]

its absolute nonsense

[daring oxide]

u drop HH instead

[inland acorn]

We need to close down outlaw channel

[glass mortar]

does the kir aoe build take hh

[daring oxide]

i hope you do

[glass mortar]

is it even better then hh or does it still lose

[daring oxide]

I pray you get double dimmy weapon

[inland acorn]

no

the default one doesn't

[daring oxide]

i mean for ST

[glass mortar]

why would i want sleight for st

[daring oxide]

you drop HH for SOH

in aoe yeah you take SOH over TV

[glass mortar]

i thought this was dungeon nonsense

[daring oxide]

if you low roll regardless though then SOH useless

it can happen

[gaunt phoenix]

Raid will use sleight on every boss

[daring oxide]

just helps to reduce low rolls

[glass mortar]

oh is it better then hh

[daring oxide]

yes

[glass mortar]

i mean hh for kir is

probably like a 2% or 3% talent

[daring oxide]

ye

[glass mortar]

guess it makes sense

[daring oxide]

HH for KIR not big

SOH will either help you high roll better

or reduce low roll

but if you lowroll regardless

[gaunt phoenix]

Or do nothing

[inland acorn]

are we updating faq/pin for this ?

[daring oxide]

well just fuck life i guess

[glass mortar]

great

[daring oxide]

my beef is with FUCKING CTO

NOT PROCCING

[vivid vessel]

ye

[daring oxide]

EVEN AFTER 100 SS / DISPATCHES

[inland acorn]

Like, is it actually worth to play SOH, or is it just feel good thing

[vivid vessel]

sim the same but feels better

and it undersim

so im fine with it

also its 3% vers

which is 1% dr at most

i couldnt care less

[glass mortar]

thought it simmed as a loss

[daring oxide]

but why is CTO allowed to never proc for the first 1 to 2 mins of a pull

[glass mortar]

1.5%

[daring oxide]

its the worst feeling ever

never being able to get into momentum

if I just get BS+TB

in the pull

can i just send KIR

[vivid vessel]

no cause we have 40% vers already so

[fading hatch]

you lost me here

nvm he right

[vivid vessel]

I always fail to explain this concept

So I won't

[fading hatch]

its relative dr based on how much versa you already had at the start, not absolute from 0

[glass mortar]

its the saeldur thing

the reason dragon isnt crazy for us despite giving vers

[vivid vessel]

You already know

[glass mortar]

i remember it, i guess its also true for dr

[vivid vessel]

Nothing to explain

[gaunt phoenix]

some rules with sleight are not resolved, but for fatebound ST, just swapping HH to Sleight with no rule adjustment is the same dps

[fading hatch]

ya i opted to immediately question you instead of thinking for myself for 5 seconds

lesson learned

[gaunt phoenix]

!ban @cunning beacon fuck off compromised account

[vivid vessel]

Wtf that's my best friend kurst!

[gaunt phoenix]

Rip kurst

[vivid vessel]

Gg

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid if you remove HH you get 5% stamina

huge ?

[inland acorn]

will that move my dps bar

to not be next to tank ?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes !

[inland acorn]

[south beacon]

this is wrong btw for DR this is not true, imagine if you had 198% vers = 99% dr and added 2% vers it would make you immortal

[vivid vessel]

What

[south beacon]

every point of damage reduction actually gets increasingly more valuable

[vivid vessel]

You litteraly just proved it's even more right than right

[south beacon]

assuming no diminishing returns (which there shouldn't be because it's a talent)

[vivid vessel]

What

You take 100 damage, reduce it by 2% it's 98, then you reduce that 98 by 2%

[inland acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[vivid vessel]

Er I guess vers just get applied directly you just add up all your vers so that's right actually

But no it's still wrong

Anywya

Idc

[south beacon]

what you are saying would be true if it workeed multiplicatvely

[inland acorn]

zac lost gg

[vivid vessel]

1% or 1.5% doesn't matter it's still shit no cap

[south beacon]

but pretty sure vers just adds up

[rich sparrow]

imagine being wrong online

[vivid vessel]

Are you an Aug player

Only Aug players knows how vers works

So I won't listen to you if you aren't an Aug player

[inland acorn]

[south beacon]

idk how it works i am just saying thing

[vivid vessel]

Even if you are right

I won't

[south beacon]

i hate augs pls don't insult me

i would never dare to play that spec

[inland acorn]

zac is just mad, cuz he lost

gg

[slate forge]

Augs>rets

[south beacon]

anyway i think it doesn't matter for the talent choice regardless, just saying more = more good for damage reduction actually

[vivid vessel]

No you are wrong

But nice try trying to gaslight me

I'm imune tho

[glass mortar]

speaking of aug

in another discord im in im reading some disturbing things rn

xd lets see what comes from this

[inland acorn]

double aug

[glass mortar]

is aug correctly hooked up for double aug????

[inland acorn]

this is happening

[glass mortar]

do we get into a cyclical loop of stealing dps

[vivid vessel]

cause like

its the same as for dps

[glass mortar]

its an interesting question if you could get 200% vers would you have 100% dr and take no damage

[vivid vessel]

you take 100 damage

[glass mortar]

i dont think it would work like that

[south beacon]

no it's the opposite cause number goes down instead of up

[glass mortar]

but how else could it work

[shell fossil]

is there a good option for monitoring or notifying when you swap weapons?

[vivid vessel]

actually i tried to explain it

[south beacon]

imagine it like this, if you dealt 100 dmg and had 20% crit and 20% vers on top it would 100x1.2x1.2 which is 144 on average

[vivid vessel]

and i hurt myself in my confusion again

so imma just say

idc enough abuot it

and im right

gg noob you lose

actual outplay

[gaunt phoenix]

essentially reducing 100 damage by 40% > 41.5% is a 2.56% reduction

but reducing 100 damage by 30% > 31.5% is a 2.19% reduction

[slate forge]

I setup Zac’s wa to trigger a tts swap weapons when you target a mob above a certain hp

[south beacon]

see solo gets it

you lose

[vivid vessel]

dont care

im right

solo lies a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

imma compensate by buying this ring anyway

so fuck your vers talent

[glass mortar]

so the more dr you have the more effective flat vers becomes for DR even?

[opaque flume]

hm is it? heroic ones were all 1m+ on my server the other day

wasnt even any mythic ones on AH

[vivid vessel]

mythic is 4mil rn

[opaque flume]

zamn

[south beacon]

wtf big ring

the boes can be single statted?

[vivid vessel]

yuh

[south beacon]

that's op

[vivid vessel]

i think the belt is the same

imma buy a full vers belt

[gaunt phoenix]

just the vers multiplier

for dps, the vers multiplier gets worse the more you have

[glass mortar]

ya

[gaunt phoenix]

For dr it gets better

[glass mortar]

neat

so zacs inting 2% dr in keys so he can gamba harder

just goes to show u what outlaw players really want

[opaque flume]

is the nightfall mace still worth farming for even tho its vet track?

[gaunt phoenix]

technically yes

but 678 offhand doesnt pass the vibe check

so i dont use it

[opaque flume]

have u rly been kicked for that lol

or am i misunderstanding xd

[gaunt phoenix]

Uhh vibe check is english slang i guess

it just feels lame to use a low OH

[opaque flume]

ah

[hybrid crown]

It feels pretty nice in delves

[vivid vessel]

i like having big ilvl

[opaque flume]

yeah it does. i didnt even get it, but i when i just opened the weekly reward & it was vet track, i dont even want to bother now lol

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel #1095785121954680843 message

[vivid vessel]

i have considered taking 1% dps loss to use the belt

[gaunt phoenix]

low precision strikes again

[vivid vessel]

one day

cringe af shit

i hate top gear now

i always used to use top gear to compare upgrades

now you cant really

liike

on prog

what if i send crests on this

isntead of this

like idc what the top result actually is

well i do

but i wont neccesseraly do it

i wanna see my options

and how far from each other they are

[sudden fulcrum]

what changed with top gear?

[upper hawk]

one day cringe af shit i hate top gear now i always used to use top gear to compare upgrades now you cant really liike on prog what if i send crests on this isntead of this like idc what the top result actually is well i do but i wont neccesseraly do it i wanna see my options and how far from each other they are

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/toxiqueney-mannequinney-quingifs-stan-twitter-diane-sawyer-gif-1382726644102245541

[vivid vessel]

wtf

i legit thought this was smoe trump copy pasta

before i realized it was me

I sound like a demented man

Tf

[sudden fulcrum]

[vivid vessel]

delete this message @upper hawk

im actually offended

[elder phoenix]

maint today

[cinder haven]

on my screen, the whole message from krumpps fits on one line

I feel like this is worth thinking about a little bit

[mighty pivot]

HAVE A NICE THURSDAY PIRATES. EXCEPT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ADDED LOW PRECISION SIMS AND ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING WORLD OF WARCRAFT. ONE DAY I WILL SEND YOU MY SALARY TO REMOVE THAT TRASH - zac 2025

[wintry solar]

Mafic is destroying World of Warcraft

Not really, but are we gonna stand here and wait until he does?

[still matrix]

Why rogue cape doing more damage than dk cape in key when dk has hc boots, rogue normal boots?

rogue bugs?

[mighty pivot]

does dk stack vers?

[wintry solar]

No

[slate forge]

Verse make flat number bigger flat number

[mighty pivot]

yuge even

[hybrid crown]

If you are looking at one fight it could just be rng

But rogue does do pretty well on the cape meters

[vivid vessel]

big ass screen bro

[cinder haven]

4k ye

[hybrid crown]

There's a lot of variance in cape damage from what I've seen

[still matrix]

nah looked at overall key

he had like 500 vers

so makes sense

i have like 34k vers

[mighty pivot]

baby vers

[torpid fiber]

Also crit matters I think

[hybrid crown]

I wonder if it also has something to do with targeting low health mobs consistently to get the most out of the execute

Maybe DK does that more with the execute they have? I think they have one right

[glass mortar]

i dont know if frost has it anymore or if theyd play it if they did

soul reaper would be the execute

[mighty pivot]

I don't think they run SR

[glass mortar]

but yea we stack vers and crit which both amplify the cloak proc

[hybrid crown]

Oh yeah. I was thinking DK tree, swirly blue guy, hate using it on my blood dk lol

[old gull]

Make HO great again

[hybrid crown]

Hell yeah

i looked at my last raid's overall from a heroic clear and 2/8 m. seems to be pretty good for me lol

this is filtered by reshii wraps dmg

[shell fossil]

yea

man i feel really dumb for not using capo's molten knuckle at all in raid last season

[cinder haven]

@vivid vessel explain:

[glass mortar]

sometimes u just wanna shoot ur gun

?

let a guy have hobbies

[gaunt phoenix]

Explain why that AR and GS has a delay even though it's a macro

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

[glass mortar]

he started the fight 0.05 yards out of melee range

[cinder haven]

how did he gs then?

[gaunt phoenix]

trolled by server

[lethal oak]

[glass mortar]

this actually got me on fract i was in auto range but not GS range

broke my stealth and ADr'd and was autoing but didnt ghostly

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes i swear to the lord above i am in range and it does not gs at all

[glass mortar]

yea

i have gotten that feeling

[cinder haven]

energy?

[glass mortar]

i have had entire ogcd inputs dropped this season

[gaunt phoenix]

no opener

[vivid vessel]

rtb is ctrl q and ps is q

[glass mortar]

like KiR that didnt go off and i didnt notice it didnt go off

[vivid vessel]

i must have missclicked ctrl

and then it just ps

gg

[cinder haven]

gg

[glass mortar]

which doesnt rlly make sense if u see the button light up on keybind press

theres no reason an ogcd like that should ever go off other then being cc'd

[vivid vessel]

thats a log of mine tob?

from this reset

[cinder haven]

your top frac log I think

[vivid vessel]

gg

[quiet root]

zac has ps on q as well he's just like me fr

[vivid vessel]

new opener

[cinder haven]

I set up my adr WA to be red if GS is out of range

because I fucked this up too many times

but it still sometimes happen I feel

but not on opener anymore

I was thinking it could be energy

even tried pooling for gs in apl

didn't really do anything

[stiff glade]

Guys I saw this top outlaw doing an opener I've never seen before and he blasted. I'm gonna do this always now and r1 everything. Who needs rtb anyways just raw dog ps after gs trust

[cinder haven]

yeah, new meta

I'll update the apl

[stiff glade]

Thank you tobfon

[gaunt phoenix]

it's for damage reduction

[cedar kernel]

wait something new?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes you send a raw pistol shot after macro

[stiff glade]

I think it's to stop the quick boss movement actually. Apply that movement reduction asap for the greater good of the guild

[cedar kernel]

so its FB technique

[torpid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-misinformation-toji-no-miko-kaoru-mashiko-gif-24078541

[vivid vessel]

@cinder haven thats not a log of mine bro

[stiff glade]

[hybrid crown]

I press swirly ball right after macro personally

[vivid vessel]

litteraly slandering my name

[rustic moon]

steam store looking like my keys

[cinder haven]

oooh, it's your top HEROIC log

[rustic moon]

completely broken

[vivid vessel]

wtf is hc

bro

[cinder haven]

slacking on splits..

[unborn aspen]

Wait, you guys have macro for opener ?

[sullen iris]

pistol goes boom boom boom 手槍砰砰砰 infinite power無限的力量great shame for family對家人來說是極大的恥辱banned by heavenly decree被天命所禁止would do it again會再做

[vivid vessel]

i have litteraly 0 fps in 30 man

might aswell not play

[unborn aspen]

[stiff glade]

The diff just going from 20 to 23 man raids is crazy actually

Idk how it's so poorly optimized

I have zero issues in mythic, but 3 extra dudes on a hc reclear and I can't play properly anymore

[late swallow]

Make raids scale down

I want to 3 man

[gaunt phoenix]

what's the secret to heroic saladking parsing

Are people just turbo fucking the boss to skip phases

[late swallow]

Also unironically 10 man mythic when?

[haughty moat]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[glass mortar]

every hc raid ive done all season has been 30 man

🥹

[zinc briar]

Same here, and ppl told me that WoW is CPU demanding, still the same with mi new 7800x3d

[glass mortar]

its so bad bro

actually impossible to parse

just framelock 5-6 times a fight

lose entire crackshot windows

its so unrecoverable as kir

if u have one massive fuckup like that then get average rng

it all just falls apart

[hybrid crown]

4 grapples doing work on plexus

[brave fossil]

Salahadar fight starts: Computer explodes

[hybrid crown]

I learned this week you can ignore the running across the room part basically

[gaunt phoenix]

you need to think like a rogue !

[glass mortar]

yea so i did that on my first mythic kill last week just like i do on herioc and i didnt realize theres like adds that spawn at the back of the room the raid needs to kill

i hope they are easy to kill cause i didnt touch them at all

xd

[hybrid crown]

I think outlaw gets screwed so bad by uptime that I'm not throwing by not switching to ads because my shield damage will be bad

They die super quick

[brave fossil]

I’m gonna be honest: I’m not switching to adds that die in 5 seconds.

[torpid fiber]

Uptime is uptime

[mighty pivot]

explain why the lines are like that

[torpid fiber]

heat rises

[cinder haven]

oh noes

[hybrid crown]

Monitor isnt level

[cinder haven]

I think they did it on purpose

left of that is the names of the abilites

right is the part you can scroll

[torpid fiber]

I prefer my answer

[mighty pivot]

absolutely illegal

[cinder haven]

maybe slight shift to indicate delimiter

or they just suck

now let's see, wasn't I doing something important before I decided to slander zac's name

[safe pasture]

can we talk about how every class got cool things that interact with their primary abilities for sett bonus and we just got a dispatch buff xd

like there is no way that is the coolest thing they could come up with for the for fun season

[glass mortar]

how much ur tier set interacts is dependent on how much ur hero talents interact tbh

the fatebound set bonus is fine

the trickster one mostly suffers from tricksters design honestly

[safe pasture]

i mean its fine for interaction but like flavor wise

its just bland

[glass mortar]

sure all our flavor is bland

welcome to rogue

[safe pasture]

zzz

[glass mortar]

ur hero talents are a tricky guy with knives so hidden even u cant track them accuratly

[cinder haven]

current tier changes apl quite a lot for fatebound

[glass mortar]

and fatebound

which is

a new trope where u spawn magic coins and thats it

the rest is passive

[devout smelt]

Rogue has best flavor even with shitty hero talents imo

[safe pasture]

ya over all im just specifically talking about this tier sett compared to other classes as a whole

[glass mortar]

honestly i wish they hadnt tried to design some new fancy flavor for us with these hero talents and had just gone for more classic stuff but w/e

[safe pasture]

fug it id have just taken the deathstalker talents flavor from sin

woulda felt less cringe prob

[jovial sedge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[safe pasture]

does anyone have any tips for flood first pull feel like im constantly getting clowned on in these 14s cause I just cant come close to the other classes on it. rest of the dung is fine unless something stupid happens and im not really sure how i can make it much better

[slate forge]

Tricks tank be faster hit earlier then them still get dommed

[neat mist]

does anyone have any tips for cinderbrew first pull feel like im constantly getting clowned on in these 14s cause I just cant come close to the other classes on it. rest of the dung is fine unless something stupid happens and im not really sure how i can make it much better

[quasi verge]

lose first pull dominate rest of key

floodgate gaming

[gaunt phoenix]

you're doomed to lose to brewmaster there

[quasi verge]

real

[safe pasture]

bro yall dont understand ive legit had tanks quit the key because my damage first pull cause im not doing 30m with everyone

[quasi verge]

LOL

[safe pasture]

im not even memein

[neat mist]

They saved you wasting your time then

[slate forge]

Or you wipe first pull and they blame you for shit dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

it's the way blizzard intends outlaw to function

[quasi verge]

^

[safe pasture]

i would be fine with it if my team didnt give up on me xd

[quasi verge]

how much has this happened to you

[slate forge]

Refuse to believe blizzard intends to do anything just make shit up then it ends up being shit

[safe pasture]

id say twice this season maybe 3 last?

but when it does happen it feels really bad cause you excited you finally got flood that you need

and they just like na run that resil key again hoe

im just banking on idol will help 😛

if it ever drops

[slate forge]

I’m confused as to how split dmg trinkets like warpclaw compete with stat trinkets especially signet which giving verse should be great for large pulls with the nightfall weapon??

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz outlaw has poor stat scaling and dont have big cds

so stat bonuses are "fine" but not busted

[glass mortar]

we have stats that amplify direct damage trinkets and our secondaries r shit so

like solo said

one factor increases the value of the direct damage the other reduces the value of any stat trinket

the net result is they end up very similar

blizzard wrapping its way back around to balanced

in the worst way possible

[safe pasture]

xd

bm kinda pumping rn

[slate forge]

They just seem to sim close enough that the increased target count would make it worth hard to sim cudgel effectively

[glass mortar]

i mean the nightfall weapon isnt warping ur trinket values at all no trinket change is impacting the damage of cudgel enough to tip any scales

[slate forge]

The 10k flat verse from signet would no?

[glass mortar]

no not really

increasing the damage of an item that is maybe 5-8% of ur dps on mass pulls by like 12% is not going to shake up a sim

vers will scale better then most direct damage trinkets at target cap anyway, just not as much as a secondary would for most specs

[buoyant cosmos]

Is there a tool somewhere that we can use to see our stats from recrafting stuff before we do it?

[vivid vessel]

Raidbot

Top gear it

Then do a quick sim with the recreated result

Then go to html

Like on the right you can see detailed report

Scroll down a bit I don't remember of the top of my head

But you have a stats section

[mighty pivot]

realz bro I beg of you remove that cringe haste breakpoint for midnight thx

(do not create a breakpoint for another stat either)

[vivid vessel]

Realz bro I beg of you fix killing spree

[mighty pivot]

didn't he block you for hating everything?

[vivid vessel]

Ye I think so

[gaunt phoenix]

While Adrenaline Rush is active, the damage of your gun spells are increased by 100% of your Haste.

[glass mortar]

im not joking tho we need to be ready to riot in the feedback forums over this haste tax thing in 12.0 alpha

we cannot have another expac of this shit seriously

its wild

[vivid vessel]

I would personally PayPal realz 500e if they fixed ks targeting by next week tho

[buoyant cosmos]

Thank you

[vivid vessel]

I can throw another 500 for trickster fix tho

[restive mango]

hiring devs on fiver to work on games they are already employed to work on

[vivid vessel]

Maybe that's more like a 1k job

I give you the money no cap

You know

Now that I think about it

[buoyant cosmos]

I do like how he never gets pinged no matter how mad someone gets. Shows a bit of class.

[vivid vessel]

It's kinda wild the amount of money I would be willing to give them

To fix my spec is

And I'm not even rich

[mighty pivot]

well, he has been pinged at least once

[vivid vessel]

I just don't care if half my salary goes to wow every month

As long as outlaw isn't some unplayable cringe shit

[frank finch]

its not wild , addicts do addict things

[mighty pivot]

zac would rather live in a cardboard box as long as outlaw is fixed

[vivid vessel]

True true

[copper radish]

Can we get blizz to hire Zac or solo to fix outlaw and this BS they do lol

[vivid vessel]

Well no cause I wouldn't be able to enjoy it would I

[buoyant cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/itch-crackhead-drugs-drugaddict-addict-gif-11128316954240258813

[restive mango]

i dont mind if half my paycheck goes to heroin as long as its not some baby laxative cringe shit