outlaw

[inland acorn]

it's around ~12700 haste

[glass mortar]

then multiply that by 19.05

[strong halo]

im 18.83

so maybe 1 enchant and then crit gems?

[inland acorn]

Somewhere between 12,700-13000 is ~19.60%

[glass mortar]

whats ur rating

and %

exactly

[strong halo]

12,430, 18.83%

[glass mortar]

you want 12575 haste exactly

to hit 25% haste

[cinder haven]

No more, no less

[glass mortar]

[cinder haven]

Otherwise you cant play

[obtuse hollow]

Axtually does it realistically add any error tolerance going past 19%

[glass mortar]

minor amounts

alacrity is like 97% uptime in sims or something

i dont know why

it was designed to be 100% before

then in df they just rando schitzo changed it

to have a chance to fall off

[cinder haven]

You start without

[strong halo]

i feel like i can do like 1 haste vers gem and then enchant crit and add 1 vers crit gem no?

[glass mortar]

[obtuse hollow]

I feel like I might be slow on gcd sometimes when I wait and see if bte refunded

[glass mortar]

me when theres unnecessary low roll potential

and zero high roll

[inland acorn]

why don't you just, sim

[strong halo]

because sim makes u replace current gems

in the combo

[storm hemlock]

Is the trickster perma-TotT kinda buggy or not 100% effective? It just doesnt feel like it's transferring full threat

[glass mortar]

if falls off if u die

u need to reapply

and when u cast it it doesnt turn into the 60 minute tricks until the first time u proc it

[inland acorn]

you can literally change gem in simc string

[storm hemlock]

ya I follow that

[glass mortar]

theres also just always been a thing where mobs can auto you insta if u break stealth with tricks up

[inland acorn]

or make it empty, which will let you sim it normally

[storm hemlock]

but idk maybe I'm just imagining things.

[strong halo]

I want to keep current gems i have lol. and just have the perfect combo for my 3 empty slots

[obtuse hollow]

It looks very effective to me
Even if the tank releases in+ the mobs still run straight to him and not hitting me at all

[storm hemlock]

Tank was losing threat to other DPS

[glass mortar]

if im pulling for the tank (intentionally) i do it with PS or BF from ranged

if u run up into melee and SS u can get autod once

before the threat redirects

[strong halo]

yeah trying to sim without replacing gems checkmark

[storm hemlock]

I think our tank was just a bit undergeared probz

thanks for the input

[inland acorn]

just remove gem_id from item in simc

It will come as empty sockets

[obtuse hollow]

Isn't the threat temporary? That it only transfers for 6 sec
Not sure if that's still how it works

[glass mortar]

perma tricks perma transfers

[inland acorn]

trickster has 1h tricks

[glass mortar]

normal tricks the threat goes back to you after it expires

tank should have full threat by then tho

[lucid vale]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fathom bramble]

the threat transferred by tricks of the trade lasts 30 seconds

whether you have 1 hour tricks or the normal 6 seconds

it also doesn't return to you it just disapears from the threat table iirc

[obtuse hollow]

So technically you can store 1 hour worth of threat and it'll all go to you once trickster tott expire?

[glass mortar]

u mean 30 seconds after the last damage instance or 30 seconds ever

[fathom bramble]

Pretty sure it is 30 seconds from the time the threat was granted

[glass mortar]

cause i have def kited mobs back to the tank at the entrance of the dungeon in priory for like 2 minutes straight

hmm

thats interesting

[eager sundial]

I didnt see anything in the faq, for the second coup from tierset do we just send it right after first, or does it depend if we can use ps and bf to get some cp before sending it?

[fathom bramble]

I haven’t looked super closely at it in a long time though

I think details has a threat meter if you want to mess around with it

[glass mortar]

if u would build with SS u send it

if u have another builder u build

[inland acorn]

Does cloak actually work on forgeweaver soak ? Or because it's spell miss, it actually doesn't count as us soaking and doesn't decrease soak raid damage ?

[glass mortar]

that goes for first coup as well fwiw

same rule for both basically

[brave fossil]

Tricks gives you 30 seconds to hit something to start its timer. Once you do that, it's 6 seconds of threat redirection. The trickster talent takes it from 6 seconds to being a semi-permanent 1 hour redirection

Also if you don't hit something in that 30 second window you can just recast it

[obtuse hollow]

Me too it's funny when tanks die and releas, they run straight to the spawn point

[glass mortar]

like if 1 hour tricks only lasted 30 seconds how would that even work?

[fathom bramble]

Trickster saving you from wipes is very funny in that way

[glass mortar]

if a single pull is a chain for 5 minutes when does it decide it can redirect again?

[brave fossil]

1 hour tricks should just be baseline imo

change my mind

[fathom bramble]

It’s more like each threat packet has a 30 second duration

[quaint mauve]

i feel like i do so much less dmg on fractilus than any other ST fight

[fathom bramble]

It never stops sending packets

[quaint mauve]

even though like

[glass mortar]

ok so you can never get threat other then body threat

[quaint mauve]

it’s basically patchwerk

[glass mortar]

you dont just build contionously absurd amounts the whole fight

[brave fossil]

Correct, you basically don't generate any threat from attacks

ever

Unless you or your tank dies and then it drops the tricks buff

fun fact

WA recommended

[obtuse hollow]

Pretty sure tank dying doesn't drop the buff, but you dying would

[brave fossil]

It 100% does

I've had it happen dozens of times in keys

[inland acorn]

It drops buff from your tank

[fathom bramble]

I’ve had it keep working after tank death and send mobs to the entrance

Might be related to how fast the tank releases

[thorny zinc]

yea same

they would go through the wall in cinderbrew

[delicate seal]

same

its a good antiwipe when the mobs dont social 500 things on the way back

and if they do... u just vanish and wait for your party to die again

[fathom whale]

cant find any pins on weapon swap macros. anyone got a decent one they could share

[brave fossil]

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Everforged Stabber

If you mean for offhand

[inland acorn]

!weaponswap

[ornate heath]

You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand or you have two of them in your bags, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.

[neat tapir]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo token]

personally

[fair topaz]

are there pvp modifier for ar or how is this possible? i just pressed ar like always while being in a battleground

[inland acorn]

it's a bug

[indigo token]

i think blizzard sudden attention towards outlaw and framing it as "weak aura reliant" is a result of them firing all their QA and throwing their hands up in the air, screaming "I give up" in terms of fixing their bugs

not amused.

[inland acorn]

not even blizzard knows, how it happens, but very rarerly ADR can pandemic and go beyond 20s (if you press while still having one active)

[fair topaz]

i had up to 25 before but 35 holy

[mighty pivot]

I've seen AR go that high after UHUH bugged and paused the timers ever after subterfuge ended. The next refresh of AR increased it to 38 or something

[tawny meteor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[frail veldt]

Nope

If tank dies then releases

The mobs will run to the start of the dungeon

It's awesome

Very useful actually

Can keep pulls alive

[brave fossil]

Maybe I'm losing it

[frail veldt]

You lose it if you die

If tank doesn't release it doesn't work either

[brave fossil]

No no no, I mean mentally

[fluid meadow]

with new release points its not that bad

[brave fossil]

outlaw will do that to a person

[frail veldt]

Hahahaha fair fair

[frail veldt]

Yeah im just saying it has infinite range afaik

[fluid meadow]

yeah its same as like hunter missdir was in plaguefall

that just has cd maybe but no range

[glass mortar]

if ur tank sits as a corpse it wont work tho so u can pull threat and die if they dont release fast enough

[civic zephyr]

guys quick question and i know it might sound dumb

[glass mortar]

something to be aware of if tank eats it and a brez is going out

[civic zephyr]

but sometimes when you use dice it keeps the old buffs but other times it will remove and apply new ones

does it have to do anything with rotation or is it just rng

[inland acorn]

#1276308344813916261 message

1st section explains this behaviour

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes rtb preserves old buffs and it's just a random bug

unrelated to kir / container

[civic zephyr]

and i just imported the Wa

but now its like this

[brave fossil]

18% haste, how abysmal

[civic zephyr]

how can i fix it

[inland acorn]

oh he meant rtb --> rtb

thought he meant kir

[torpid fiber]

I need to import the good rtb wa

My UI is finally getting close to a point where I'm happy with it

[inland acorn]

remove the one you just imported

[civic zephyr]

but will it work then?

cause i already have zac wa

and i just imported this new one that you mentioned

[vivid vessel]

well you imported the rtb weak aura

but its in my pack already

^^

[civic zephyr]

so i dont need the rtb

got it

it will work with normal one still

[vivid vessel]

you have it already

its the same

[civic zephyr]

but basically kir isn't just for keeping the buffs

sometimes you use it to get more than the ones you have

i feel like i've been using it completely wrong

cause i was just waiting for few buffs then i was using it

[dim fern]

i forgot to swap to loaded dice after changing tier

[swift hedge]

!log

[bronze vine]

How is outlaw in raid/m+? Ive been mostly playing sub but I wanted something else for raid

[eternal ore]

definitely not for raid

xD

[bronze vine]

Looks pretty good on paper on wcl for mythic

[fathom bramble]

the problem is that the bulk of it is padding on adds that don't really matter as much as they boost the overall

and then we are actually good on soul hunters

but the last 2 are the most important and outlaw is tremendously bad for them

[bronze vine]

I figured it was mostly nazhindri forgeweaver and soul hunters

Sub is great on those fights so I would stick with them for that

how about m+

[fathom bramble]

idk not pushing keys this season

[vernal void]

m+ is fine, some bosses have forced downtime, which sucks, but overall it's not that bad

[vivid vessel]

just look at hc

thats how mythic will look when people will start clearing it as outlaw

and look at boss damage

if you wanna trully understand

how outlaw is this tier

[bronze vine]

a doomer tier then huh

down there with balance at the bottom

[inland acorn]

Don't worry, i've checked with wcl guys

they're gonna fix this

And group outlaw with tanks soon

[buoyant cosmos]

They can evade out sometimes though if they can't get to the tank and cause some issues, but I have had it save some pulls/keys before

[junior coral]

is the big purple orb in dawn attached to a player id or sum thing lol? my toon is old as fuck like 18 years, i get every one on miniboss/boss no matter the group

[floral compass]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tight kernel]

Dw team, I will represent the master race

[stiff vector]

god I hate streets

[red zinc]

All these remix changes but it seems like they missed the one thing everyone wanted

Still no absurd secondary amounts

just primary scaling

kinda boring

[quaint mauve]

pad representation 🙌

[dreamy idol]

You dropped this 👑

[unkempt wolf]

Those of you with Idol when do you use it ?

like at the start of a fight after the crackshot window?

[quaint mauve]

outve stealth usually before KS

[unkempt wolf]

i figured just wasnt sure if it was beneficial to get it out after first crackshot window

tyvm!

[quaint mauve]

I do like holding it if ik a bigger aoe pull is coming

but idk that could be bad

[unkempt wolf]

i usually hold it a bit for m+ for atleast a few targets for more crit but for raid just not sure where to work it in at the start of the fight

[torpid fiber]

this reminds me I have an idol now but sims say I should drop netherprism for it and I love netherprism

[unkempt wolf]

i use both :)

[torpid fiber]

sims say its like +1% to use my other trinket + idol

[unkempt wolf]

damn

[cerulean tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/burst-gif-5503707468695863087

[unkempt wolf]

ig it depends on how u use idol

[torpid fiber]

Netherprism atm is literally my favourite outlaw trinket ever I think

[unkempt wolf]

if ur perfect at using idol on cd at best times its probably better

[torpid fiber]

It actually feels like an outlaw thing, the flexible cd means it lines up with your stuff whenever you need to use it and so it's basically a burst cd except without the reasons those trinkets historically suck for outlaw

[tawny meteor]

When do you use the idol perfectly?

I feel its boring to use

[unkempt wolf]

idk

i dont like using it

[tawny meteor]

Me either

[unkempt wolf]

the fact its a channel annoys me

[wintry gate]

its uncapped aoe, you can ks into idol into vanish

but channel is annoying

[unkempt wolf]

i like what it does the channel just sucks

its better than my other option of a mastery trink right now

[wintry gate]

im using my eternal weave just cus its myth track maxed out

not ideal, but sigil wont drop for me so 🙁

[unkempt wolf]

i have prism idol and weave all hero track

[tawny meteor]

Imma farm Lily antenna this week to replace that idol

Idol myth track from vault

But bro the channels …

[wintry gate]

it just ruins an already busy momentum with the flow

[tawny meteor]

Exactly

[unkempt wolf]

I like it for m+ trash but boss fights id prefer something else

[tawny meteor]

Imma get back tu pacemaker

[minor verge]

hi which is the macro for swap weapons? to use the maze of nightfall

[gaunt phoenix]

!weaponswap

[ornate heath]

You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand or you have two of them in your bags, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.

[minor verge]

thanks so much ❤️

[mint crater]

should I keep Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel in my off? or use a higher level weapon? 710? for m+?

[minor verge]

yes, you use the nightfall in trash and equip the big level on unitarget

you can swap in combat btw

for chain pulls to boss and that things

[fathom whale]

what yall craftinj 3rd spark

[quaint mauve]

a belt

:p

[fathom whale]

SURELY

[split ingot]

guys if im inside subterfuge window and coup is ready to use what should i do ? does coup take prio over bte or not?

[gaunt phoenix]

naw you bte

[glass mortar]

u dont cast coup in subterfuge

[wicked obsidian]

lol rang 6 and best of all rouges, so more likely nerves incoming. our pros are playing too good 😆

[vivid vessel]

i think

[split ingot]

hmm okay thanks, i was hoping that would be the answer lol

[daring oxide]

best to understand what the data means

[vivid vessel]

you shouldnt be allowed to open warcraft log

until after taking like

some sort of crash course

[daring oxide]

hes baiting us

[vivid vessel]

that explain

how it works

[vivid vessel]

I don't think so

[split ingot]

just to make sure, even if i dont get reset, bte is still higher prio than anything right

[wicked obsidian]

it’s not me i know very well a buff is more than needed. but this are the news and everyone is seeing this

[split ingot]

even if it means ill loose unseen blade procs

[vivid vessel]

I think a lot of people don't understand further than the bars on the front page of wcl week 3 of raid

[long barn]

Some reason guile is simming higher for me than radiant

On offhand

[gaunt phoenix]

you need to build combo points

but the only finisher in stealth is bte

[fathom bramble]

unfortunately wowhead seems to have no interest in explaining what the chart can or can't mean

[gaunt phoenix]

thats normal

the enchants are so similar it can swing mildly ahead with certain gear

[fathom bramble]

it's especially bad that the arguably most important bosses are the 2 missing

[daring oxide]

wowhead don't understand either

[fathom bramble]

it honestly barely matters if your good on some of these bosses

just from a prog perspective

[daring oxide]

only boss we good on is

soul hunters imo

[fathom bramble]

like being good on soulbinder when it's 2 pulls lol

[daring oxide]

soulbinder really depends on the strat

if u pad or just zugzug boss no pops

[fathom bramble]

we had the boss lag out on heroic and never spawn the 2nd wave of adds once

just do that on mythic

[daring oxide]

we do that without the boss lagging out

you just dont aim any orbs at the canisters

and kill boss before forced spawn

so you do the first wave

then ignore mechanics on 2nd wave

never spawn an add

[ocean lodge]

what trinkets you rocking

[daring oxide]

it destroys your parse but boss is basically patchwerk

[fathom bramble]

makes sense

probably the best strat now, I think we did the boss normally and still didn't get 2nd wave last week

not sure

[daring oxide]

oh

as in the canisters didn't spawn?

[fathom bramble]

oh they spawned

[daring oxide]

for us canisters respawn ofc, but we purposely dont aim orbs at them

[fathom bramble]

just no final release wave thing

[daring oxide]

ah that

i see

[red zinc]

Wait

[fathom bramble]

that boss probably shouldn't be on allstars or on thee statistics

[red zinc]

The delve belt nerfs wont be for another 5 weeks?

[wicked obsidian]

it’s really annoying imho by principle i play outlaw cause it’s the most fun spec and i min maxing what i can to be top within my guild. so if i complain that we are not in a good state, everyone is laughing and even wowhead/warcraftlogs is playing in their hands

[fathom bramble]

rampant padding and the best strat bricks your parse

[red zinc]

what are they on

[daring oxide]

hopefully

[red zinc]

Like

[fathom bramble]

I wish they did some pre-emptive boss removal

[red zinc]

They got the idea to nerf the belt which is good

[fathom bramble]

a boss with fake adds that take 200% more damage is such a clear example of something warcraftlogs will eventually remove

[red zinc]

But were like “yeah lets wait for 5 weeks”

[daring oxide]

just delay killing spree for them 🙂

but yeah

its ridiculous

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's not really something you can even argue with since it's stats that people seem to implicitly trust

people think all 3 rogue specs are good rn

when it's more like all 3 are okayish and then sub is insane on final 2

[vivid vessel]

Wdym okay ish

Outlaw is probably one of if not the worse spec in the game in raid rn

No questions asked

What spec would be worse on last 2

Like

[fathom bramble]

sorry I meant(but didn't type) okayish on the first 6

[vivid vessel]

There is no spec in the game worse than outlaw on last to

[torpid fiber]

I've heard some pet specs have massive bugs on dimensius p2 but haven't verified it

[vivid vessel]

Even a surv hunter would be better

[tight kernel]

for that key uh I think warpclaw and cosmic hunt but my 704 idol does better than 707 claw

[fathom bramble]

bro if this coin bug doesn't get fixed outlaw will be 15% below the bottom

[torpid fiber]

dw they won't fix it

[daring oxide]

what coin bug?

[torpid fiber]

the fatebound code ate the hand of the person who made this change

[fathom bramble]

tails is just sometimes not working

I don't think anyone knows why

[daring oxide]

wait

[vivid vessel]

Haha ye

[daring oxide]

that kinda explains why my damage

[fathom bramble]

look at your number of hits vs number of buff refreshes on whatever you did last

[daring oxide]

is just fucking garbage some pulls?

[vivid vessel]

[grim spear]

holy

[proven ocean]

Belt nerfs

Not bad

[daring oxide]

so 700 tail coins but only 535 hits?

lemme check mine too

[fathom bramble]

it's also very obvious in logs that sometimes is super wrong

about to do heroic in 15mins and do negative damage 👌

[daring oxide]

this is kinda a pull by pull basis?

[vivid vessel]

You got 700 in 10 min?

What

[daring oxide]

cos some pulls i feel like im getting good rtb rolls

but no coin damage

[vivid vessel]

I got 150 in my fract kill this reset

5 min

Wdym 700

[fathom bramble]

tails was active for 10 minutes of the ~20 minute key

[vivid vessel]

You didn't get 700

[quaint mauve]

you never wanna end up in this situation btw :p

[fathom bramble]

700 seems within reason with out of combat time and stuff

if you got 150 in 5 min

[vivid vessel]

Ah it's a key

Hm

Ok it still is a massive diff but idk

[fathom bramble]

I should have logged it I guess

[split ingot]

ofc but it happens when you arent getting enough resets during subterfuge and ur coup just builds up

[brave lagoon]

wait wasn't the max 11

[daring oxide]

i just did 2mins on a dummy

???

ya

i have a similar problem

on first boss LFR:

[torpid fiber]

awesome stuff

[torpid fiber]

has anyone reported it formally yet

[daring oxide]

124 refreshes, but only 96 hits?

[dapper fjord]

so i have a problem with this in the rotation faq

on my rtb buff tracker, my boosted buffs DO get rolled away if i rtb after kir

and duration reduced

[daring oxide]

yes

i've had this problem too

some of my KIR buffs getting rolled away

for example i had 5 buffs from 2 normal 3 being CTO

i KIR

i have 5 KIR buffs

press RTB

now i have 4 buffs???

@vivid vessel

can you explain

[dapper fjord]

yup, and they get reduced to like 35 seconds

[daring oxide]

thats because your RTB procced those buffs

the ones that get reduced

but buffs disappearing?

that should not happen

but it does...

after KIR

@gaunt phoenix do you know what could cause RTB after KIR to make some KIR buffs disappear?

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[daring oxide]

zeross

can u help

instead of being big nooba

[proven ocean]

Sup bursi

Vurai

[daring oxide]

whos bursi

[proven ocean]

Typo

Wanted to type vitai

Vurai

Im om phone

[tight atlas]

If you have less than 30 seconds on your RTB buff it'll roll away

[proven ocean]

Maybe ye i forgot what were the rules

[daring oxide]

Kelpfist for 3mins:

[proven ocean]

But nah

I dont think they disappear idk

Maybe ur tripping or

[gaunt phoenix]

that's expected, they did not get rolled away, but rather rtb happened to pick buffs you already have

which reduced their duration, but this is expected

[daring oxide]

i guess that also makes sense

[daring oxide]

yeah the reduced duration is expected im ready for that, but the buffs disappearing (ones that got KIR) is weird to me

but if the below 30seconds rule thing is true then that makes sense

[pure folio]

^ this has also happened to me

[stiff vector]

Noobos need to study your container theory textbook written by Tom pelvis

[daring oxide]

maybe i shouldn't fish too much

well it usually happens if i fish too much

[pure folio]

You mean for CTO right?

[daring oxide]

yes

[pure folio]

Yea

[mossy shell]

I miss the real killing spree

[daring oxide]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[stiff vector]

I miss doing prio dam

[mossy shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1289014322478972931/1379562585837277204/tww-killing-spree.gif

never forget

[daring oxide]

lol

i made that gif so long ago xd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354035526090843/1255109699636953168/tww-outlaw-no-acro.gif

[past fossil]

I like the new killing spree

Gunfu is funny, and it's like Dante from DMC

[daring oxide]

but yeah Solo you had any experience with the potential tails issue? and RTB buffs vanishing when rerolling after KIR?

[granite merlin]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[gaunt phoenix]

it can happen if you proc cto in between an RTB into dispatch into KIR

press rtb - container is 39s

dispatch - container is 38.20 seconds

proc cto - cto is 8.00s

press kir - cto is boosted to 38.00s, but this is still below the container, which was 38.20s

[proven ocean]

Ur cooked

[daring oxide]

what the fuck

ok that makes perfect sense

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[daring oxide]

holy shit

why does the container exist?????????????

ok im gonna go to bed

@fathom bramble hope you can solve the tails bug please ❤️

[fathom bramble]

bro idk

it's a mystery

[daring oxide]

it seems pretty consistent though

[fathom bramble]

I'll look at my logs after raid when I deal 0 damage though

[daring oxide]

😭

maybe you need to delete wow cache folder

and swap between trickster and fatebound to fix

[normal aurora]

I've been doing nothing but target dumby trying to get withing 10% of my FB unbuffed parse and can't seem to breach it. Past 3 hours on this thing with multiple 10-20min parses and i seem to be stuck at 3.5m (sim is 4.0m). When i try trick (still ST build), i'm within 5% of my parse at 3.3m (sim is 3.5m). I feel like i'm missing something fundamental but can't crack it

[hearty stump]

Is there something scuffed with our sims rn, im sitting at 16% haste and can recraft my neck from crit/vers to crit/haste or vers/haste and its telling me to not recraft either for ST or dungeon slice even under recommended haste cap

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think details is tracking the tails buff refresh correctly

something to consider

[late swallow]

holy schmoly ryujii is back

welcome back king

[hearty stump]

yo

[fathom bramble]

yeah that does seem to be the case

[hearty stump]

took 6 months off

[fathom bramble]

looking at target dummies I get more refreshes in details than I am actually getting when I track the coins with my eyes

[late swallow]

i hope you're well rested king

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm in raid, but we need to see what you're seeing, or nothing can be done

[hearty stump]

appreciated

[late swallow]

i'm on a wow sabbatical atm too

[hearty stump]

gonna rerun real quick just to make sure im not crazy

[late swallow]

what build are you simming in?

ho or kir?

[hearty stump]

KIR

sim queues long as hell rn

[fathom bramble]

is it mistakenly something silly like a 60 second sim?

[hearty stump]

Nah normal 5 min patchwerk and dungeon slice sims, maybe its from overcap but I feel the overcap wouldnt even be that bad

[mossy shell]

omg do you have any more

I didn't know who the creator was, you're a genius

[mossy shell]

no you

[fathom bramble]

"Default melee range has increased since these talents were introduced"

fakest thing I've ever heard

[normal aurora]

Anyone here get within 10% of their non buff sim dps on a dumby (min 5mins, preferably 10)? I'm at a complete loss on what i'm missing

[mossy shell]

haste isn't the only stat with a target so it might be particular to your gear

share sim

[hearty stump]

I will once these new ones complete

[late swallow]

keep your chin up king

we'll get to the bottom of this

[hearty stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5315yg16LsvRRSijazmMoi its gotta be a fat haste overcap

[daring oxide]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354035526090843/1255132014336671755/tww-outlaw-devs-cook.gif

[fathom bramble]

gotta change that to "some stealth bugfixes"

but not all the bugs fixed of course

[late swallow]

banger cooks vai

i love it

[daring oxide]

these were so long ago

well

[mossy shell]

I love you

[daring oxide]

TWW beta

i thnk

[gaunt phoenix]

this is 19.35% haste

[mossy shell]

Vai can you just make us gifs full time

[daring oxide]

i will make more when outlaw midnight rework comes

depending on the cook

or our upcoming mini changes in 11.2.5

[mossy shell]

what exactly do they mean when they say rework

honestly, that fills me with dread

[daring oxide]

me too

absolute anxiety

[mossy shell]

what is wrong with outlaw rn other than... idk... most of it

[daring oxide]

what are they gonna do to us

[fathom bramble]

midnight?

[mossy shell]

it's in great shape

[hearty stump]

oh duh under raid buff right

[mossy shell]

other than like, twenty things

[daring oxide]

wtf where is this from?

[fathom bramble]

some old spell leftover from dragonflight that never actually got given to sub

[daring oxide]

i see

so they adopted this into nimble flurry

[fathom bramble]

probably made tested and abandoned for not actually being fun

[daring oxide]

just the cleave part

[daring oxide]

i agree, everything is good now except the tuning

i guess trickster could use some improvement

like escalating blade stacks etc

[wintry solar]

Everything is not good

Uhuh sucks ass

[hearty stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1nVqRpo6u6PGBnXSGz3GoX I guess this isnt far off but I can get it to flip to haste neck

[daring oxide]

hahahahahahaha

[hearty stump]

a little higher

[daring oxide]

you should change the shareholder cap to volunteer cap

[fathom bramble]

escalating should just stack arbitrarily high so we don't waste it from runs of good/bad luck

[daring oxide]

ya is what i hope for, so if we are at 4 stacks, we can still build more than 4 stacks but we spend 4 stacks every time we coup

so for example with our current tier set

means we can build towards our second coup with SS

rather than being forced to double coup because we dont have oppo

[gaunt phoenix]

@hearty stump its cause of haste flask

you have haste flask selected

so your 15% haste is really 19%

[daring oxide]

and if we double proc unseen blades at 3 stacks

we'd have 5 stacks instead of losing one and staying at 4 🙁

[hearty stump]

Gotcha

Shaking the mental rust off here

[daring oxide]

or if we vanish at 4 stacks, we can still build and not waste unseen during subterfuge

[hearty stump]

yeah if I swap to vers flask it makes sense to change my gear around but its a tiny increase

[daring oxide]

so many cases where it'd be amazingly flexible

[proven ocean]

Microwaved

@daring oxide

[fathom bramble]

another thing I was thinking was that if you have 4 or more coup consumes them all to count as spending 1 additional CP for each blade stack

idk if that's better or worse in practice

probably turns the sub rotation into an actual nightmare creature

actually being able to stack escalating at all would do that lol

me not casting any eviscerates for 3 minutes so I can send 7 of them on the damage amp

[tight kernel]

@vivid vessel wtf u do when youre linked to range in hunters

[random stirrup]

1 extra cp is kind of ass for an unseen blade stack no

maybe normally its fine but with this tier it would suck

[quaint mauve]

i need

to do a key

[quaint mauve]

… i mean YOU need your uptime

[tight kernel]

nvm they didnt put markers down

[quaint mauve]

they don’t

[tight kernel]

we are doing liquid strat

go afk on marker till they go away 🙂

[quaint mauve]

gulp….

[tight kernel]

will I listen

prob not

[quaint mauve]

my professor sounds so depressed man it’s driving me insane

like bro i know you’re not bricking keys after this lab

[mossy shell]

https://tenor.com/view/jealousy-looks-terrible-on-you-bruce-sun-the-brothers-sun-don't-be-jealous-netflix-gif-14525621698235094782

[zinc briar]

is this the season of the bugs?

every day trying to fin a new bug

[proven ocean]

Microwaved rogue + 0 sense gif

what the helly

Brb sleep

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/noahnoah-gif-15569947813902812404

[wintry solar]

Catnda

[stiff vector]

bro how is this even real missing timer on free af key with a fury warr doing tank dmg

[torpid fiber]

how tf they doing that much in a 15 I do that much in a 6 at 693

[gaunt phoenix]

one button

[dapper fjord]

98 parse on heroic plexus sentinel 😄

[stiff vector]

isnt fury warrior like 1 button anyway

[haughty wigeon]

theyre target capped

[stiff vector]

so depressing, finally get invited to good phys group and ofc its cursed

Im kinda liking prism in keys tho

[indigo token]

dim on melee feels awful

[wintry solar]

One of the few things that blizz did that pisses me off to this day

[restive mango]

binding it to anything or just sending at high stacks?

[torpid fiber]

rule rn afaik is "send during a KIRed vanish after coups"

[restive mango]

ok that makes sense. doesnt seem like a trinket for outlaw but i do have one so

[torpid fiber]

or well, you send it right before the vanish

Tbh I think it's really fun on outlaw bc the flexible cd means we can always line it up

And it's agi so no weird secondaries stuff, and flat gain per stack so as long as you don't overcap you can just send it at low values without a loss

Mostly it just feels amazing in keys tbh

[cedar kernel]

brotjhers

lets see

what will happens in vault

oh?

NOT BAD

[buoyant cosmos]

Did something happen recenetly to make that better for us?

coulda sworn it wasn't really high up there until a friend showed me

[gaunt phoenix]

its always been good

[buoyant cosmos]

I had looked at 1 target, not 5 on bloodmallet

[torpid heath]

Is 18% haste fine?

[naive river]

did they change something about outlaw this week i feel stronger

[torpid heath]

i feel weaker lol

[torpid fiber]

Sim yourself, in practice sims will probably tell you to lean towards more

[torpid fiber]

[naive river]

was just wondering because im hitting higher numbers I guess the ring just did it for me?

[torpid fiber]

(we've discovered that fatebound is bugged and sometimes tails coins just stop working)

[naive river]

gotchya

[pearl topaz]

lmao

[naive river]

i got this this week

[outer brook]

no you didnt

[smoky whale]

Using Hidden oportunity on single target still on worth it? or bttr play keep it rolling on raid

[alpine stag]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[eternal ore]

finally fixed my stats :>

[drowsy ridge]

The mini boss before the last boss in Halls, does Wound Poison work on it?

[covert kestrel]

KiR is better in all content currently

[quaint mauve]

i love you guys , roguecord is best class discord

@vivid vessel thank you for inspiring me to play outlaw

idk what key level it was

but that rookery you did last season

was so cool

[indigo token]

female draenei

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-dexter-dexter-doakes-gotcha-found-you-gif-14688017774431904057

[quaint mauve]

female dranei bad ash tho i don’t blame em

[eternal ore]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-of-culture-meme-мем-anime-аниме-gif-25806248

[gaunt phoenix]

[lone spear]

wait this is real?

[cedar kernel]

my adr overall in DB

[naive river]

I wonder what are alpha talent things going to be

or we just go ho kir

haha

[cedar kernel]

prayge

the last 2

[lone spear]

flood easy

hoa bit sussy

[eternal ore]

prayge

[brittle pelican]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[signal ibex]

!log

[cedar kernel]

flood the main issue i have

is like

i cant do so much aoe there when my tank willing to have a great pull

[limpid vortex]

Is the ethereal augment rune worth 100k? Surely less than 1% primary stat is basically worthless?

Would be 40% of my WoW net worth right now

[ancient cobalt]

its super worth imo

been using the dragonflight one for years before this one

100k not too much for somethin u will likely use if u a broke boy like me for a long time

[limpid vortex]

Well there's a confirmed stat squish in midnight

So it'll be +2 primary stat in about 6 months

I read that they're squishing us down to about 500 DPS at max level

Was more curious if anyone knows how much DPS you get from augment runes, as I don't see how to sim it

[late swallow]

back to SL levels of slop

feels so ass to do a rotation and see 500-2k piss going out

[limpid vortex]

I never played in shadowlands. I started playing in May

[ancient cobalt]

low numbers sick

ddue i just crit for 1k 😮

now im crittin for 30.7 million i cant see that number bro

[smoky whale]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[sonic pawn]

@sharp hedge its under consumables "Augmentation" for the runes. You can set it to disabled and then enable and re sim to see the difference.

[quaint mauve]

can dimesnsius still parry

[smoky whale]

I'ts worth use both cut the grass (first with all points and second with just 1 or 2) followed? or get 7 points to cast the second?

[novel timber]

is outlaw on nexus king troll?

[lone spear]

if you can build combo points without sinister strike then u do, otherwise send low combo point second coup

[hoary kite]

Hi all, is there a channel or anywhere that people perhaps post logs and can help get feedback on what they are doing right/wrong from someone more experienced?

[hybrid crown]

You could do !log review (no space) and it makes a thread

[hoary kite]

thanks! is there a correct channel to do that in, or is here correct?

[hybrid crown]

Yeah this is the right one

[hoary kite]

!logreview https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kAYDGMd631b4ypCP?boss=-2&difficulty=0

[hoary kite]

I am Kissmedaddy. I am really struggling on rogue lol just trying this class for the first time ever

[hybrid crown]

Hmmmmm maybe I got that wrong

[hoary kite]

haha all good

[hybrid crown]

It worked huh

Try it again just the command I guess

[serene heath]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vivid vessel]

It's one of the reason I made my weak aura btw .. did you never notice some buffs not going yellow after a kir lol

[cinder haven]

buglaw

[muted crest]

How outlaw this high on this list?

[cinder haven]

soul hunters probably

and soulbinder

and then zero parses on last two bosses I think, so they are not dragging the average down

we're pretty high on forgeweaver too

this is probably more representative of where we are at:

and that's with the average being dragged up by soul hunters again:

[stiff hawk]

He showed Mythic, you have Heroic

Heroic is bad because kill times are so short

[cinder haven]

mythic is bad because there are no outlaw parses on some bosses

but you have a valid point

[stiff hawk]

Yes

Only first 6 are listed

Which are quite good for outlaw

[cinder haven]

well, some of them at least

[stiff hawk]

Yeah

Forgeweaver, Soulbinder and Soul Hunter

[cinder haven]

soul hunters at least is real damage

idk how much of the damage is pad on the other two

[stiff hawk]

Forgeweaver too

[cinder haven]

maybe damage to adds is very important

[stiff hawk]

But Soulbinder is more like a meme

[cinder haven]

our ST is very bad

[vivid vessel]

It's not

[cinder haven]

I figured but I don't raid mythic so I don't wanna say anything about that

[stiff hawk]

Well Forgeweaver its important

I mean it will get less relevant every week now

[vivid vessel]

Idk if I would call it relevant tho

[cinder haven]

add damage is relevant until you have enough usually?

[vivid vessel]

The adds flop over

And did in mythic prog as well

You are losing 25% st to do that aoe, which isn't even good

Most specs dk that fot free

[cinder haven]

but I guess we are in the zone were tuning is possible

so there is that to hope for

[hollow bloom]

when does the discord shut down? To get our buffs i mean.

[stiff hawk]

In your guild

Its different

I think most 200+ Guilds the Add DMG is relevant

[vivid vessel]

Relevant losing 25% boss damage ?

Idk

[agile orchid]

what buffs, look outlaw is a top 7 spec

[stiff hawk]

I mean Boss dies as long as the Adds are deadge

[vivid vessel]

Not true

Remember that guy last time

That sent his logs

With a 2.1 % wipe

And he was last boss dps

And if he was sub he would be first and it would have been enough damage to kill the boss

This guy is gonna prog another night, maybe 20/30 more pulls

Cause of lack of boss damage

And I think low % wipes are not that uncommon

[stiff hawk]

Hmm maybe,

[hollow bloom]

Time to find some daggers and learn Sub again.

[stiff hawk]

Didnt feel like we were close tbh

to that Problem

but i was sub

so

[dawn talon]

ive seen some people in RLE posting their guild's wipes to lack of boss damage

[cinder haven]

I can't get loktark's finding about spell queue not working when you are low on energy out of my head

think we need to sim this

but I'm not sure how

maybe sitting at haste cap is not actually the play

I guess extra haste doesn't really help much with energy anyway

[rotund zodiac]

[stiff hawk]

Question for me is, are People overcommiting on Adds, like does every just spec aoe and press aoe

but fair point

[stiff hawk]

Haste really doesnt increase energy reg, i mean most Energy comes from Fatal Flourish anyways?

[torpid fiber]

That explains why I mash at low energy LOL

[rotund zodiac]

I thought I was going insane

[torpid fiber]

I don't mash except at low energy and I've known this for a while but assumed I was just impatient

[cinder haven]

mashing at low energy should be absolutely correct play

also make sure you have no latency

😛

[stiff hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/red-button-spam-press-button-click-gif-17367381

[cinder haven]

idk if there's a lot we can do about this

haste does help a little I think, but maybe not worth it

but how can we know without a good way to sim it

[stiff hawk]

Is Swift Slasher taken?

by every build?

[cinder haven]

nope

only ST builds

[stiff hawk]

Thats the only way i can think of haste being useful for energy

[cinder haven]

you know what matters more?

not being forced to press SS too much

[stiff hawk]

Also ture

[cinder haven]

so SNC is maybe better than it seems in sims for example

[stiff hawk]

Also Broadside

Idk SS should have a lower Energy cost

[cinder haven]

yeah it feels ass to press anyway

make it cost 10 energy 😛

[stiff hawk]

I mean it felt very bad on KIR Build to press SS 5+ times and get no FTH Procs

you literally cant recover from that

You have to wait like 1-2 Seconds for eneough energy

[cinder haven]

yeah, and lowering SS cost would help a lot

one thing I already tried is to add snc to list of "good buffs" that you can KIR if you have 3 of them

small gain in sims, maybe bigger gain in vibes

[stiff hawk]

Tbh old GM with 50% Attack speed, probalby would be a good thing now

[rotund zodiac]

They should make SS proc fth if you don’t get it in 3 hits

Outlaw need pity rate like gacha games

[stiff hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209492558829584404/1234390561952104519/image-18-1.gif

[tender wedge]

Hey where’d you get my log from

[buoyant atlas]

hey late night fellas- can anyone help me out? my friend likes combat but he is stubborn and doesn't want to play with a lot of vanishes and crack shot- is there any build that doesn't that or is he beat?

[stiff hawk]

i have another one from S3 DF

[torpid fiber]

they're fucked sadly

[stiff hawk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184888068264689756/1240403148129046539/Screenshot_2024-05-15_223846.gif

[buoyant atlas]

thanks vevv ❤️

@torpid fiber any build that doesnt really vanish alot? idk why he doesnt want to but here we are

doesnt likei vanishing being part of roatation

[hollow bloom]

doesn’t every rogue spec use vanish at this point…?

[buoyant atlas]

i would assume so lol

[torpid fiber]

outlaw uses vanish as a core part of every build rn unfortunately

crackshot is too strong to not use

[stiff hawk]

No its a core ability

you would do like 50% less dmg

[torpid fiber]

it sucks in open world 100%

no one like that

but you gotta use it

[cinder haven]

for FB I have macroed GS and ADR into vanish, and then you kinda never get issues in open world 🙂

(not completely true, theres still some fuckery)

[buoyant atlas]

yah my buddy just be wierd was just wondering if there was any spec that stayed away from vanish cause he said he like combat

er outlaw

[cinder haven]

sub doesn't care a lot about vanish iirc?

[stiff hawk]

Yes

But its Shadow Dance

[mighty pivot]

outlaw needs vanish, sub doesn't, assa sometimes uses it but they only get it every 2 minutes

[stiff hawk]

Which is basically the same, as Vanish is for Outlaw

with the difference Shadow Dance doesnt reset combat

[cinder haven]

why they chose to remove dance and instead double down on vanish I don't know

[stiff hawk]

Yeah

You had like 2 Stacks of Crackshot Windows cooldown at the same time

[cinder haven]

give free shadow dance after breaking combat instead of subterfuge?

2 charges of dance

[fathom bramble]

yeah outlaw has kind of been the primary vanish user most of the time

often getting more per cast than the other 2 and many more casts per fight thanks to restless

[cinder haven]

tell me how to counteract the low energy spell queue issue lok

[fathom bramble]

press your buttons faster

[cinder haven]

but if I have latency?

[fathom bramble]

it's like not having a spellqueue or having a lower window

I'm not 100% sure how latency iinteracts with trying to cast a spell you don't have energy for

[cinder haven]

pretty sure it will be delayed

[fathom bramble]

it might still happen on time you just see it x ms late as usual

I don't think there's anything you can actually do about it directly

[dawn talon]

if i had to guess it's just that people complained REALLY loudly about outlaw hitting dance on the forums

[proper veldt]

guessing the main issue with dance is you need to time it towards the end of ur gcd with 0.8 gcds

to get the full value

[fathom bramble]

especially if ping works in an unfavorable way

[proper veldt]

maybe make dance start on the first bte hit

would have been good

[cinder haven]

dornogal is super laggy recently and it feels absolute ass to play on low energy in that i situation

[fathom bramble]

it is likely that they removed dance just because it is kind of a core sub ability

it would be like giving the other specs pistol shot

[proper veldt]

fair yeah

[cinder haven]

I also think that's the reason they did it

the specs were kinda bleeding into each other a bit too much at one point

[proper veldt]

either way I dont think dance was great either on outlaw tbh

[hollow bloom]

Just make outlaw the tank spec and vanish would be gone.

[fathom bramble]

2 charges of vanish is much more fun for sure

though dance did offer a layer of consistency that I am kind of missing on some fights

or not consistency so much as reliability

[stiff glade]

I had to remove my BtE + GS macro yesterday after getting enough CDR during subt that it auto sent GS at the end of the window. I didn't think that would ever be an issue, but I got 6 BtE resets back to back I think, and then had to dry send vanish right after. Felt kinda bad.

[cinder haven]

yeah I've said this for a while

I macroed GS and ADR into vanish instead

[stiff glade]

Is that reliable?

[cinder haven]

I won't ever trigger the bte trick

but it works otherwise yeah?

[proper veldt]

btw

what is the coins like with the bte macroed into gs + vanish

vs without it macroed

[stiff glade]

I think I'll just press it manually tbh. I only had the macro there to try it, but I was pressing GS either way

[proper veldt]

I wanna check whether I'm managing to trigger it

But I think most times I'm queueing the bte cause I press too early

[cinder haven]

you can't macro bte to vanish

because it'll be on cd

almost always

it'll feel really fucky

[wintry solar]

Wish we got both dance and 2 vanishes

[cinder haven]

vanish resets bte cd, but not fast enough to put bte in the macro

also can't macro bte to adr

because you don't get the cp fast enough for that

[proper veldt]

joever alright

[cinder haven]

can only macro bte + gs, but then you risk sending GS at end of crackshot window with TB and much ace procs

so I use this cringe macro:

/cast [combat, nostealth] Vanish;[nocombat, nostealth]Stealth
/cast [combat, known:Edge Case] Adrenaline Rush
/cast [combat, known:Edge Case] Ghostly Strike

one button to rule them all

also this:

/cancelaura [known:Hand of Fate] Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast [known:Hand of Fate] Ghostly Strike

for the non vanish uses of adr and gs

[proper veldt]

you use this on opener too?

[cinder haven]

no, second one on opener

[proper veldt]

ah yeah

[cinder haven]

and non vanish gs/adr uses

actually I have a bind for GS too, but technically I don't need it

except if I wanna hold adr

[wintry solar]

It's all cringe Tob

[proper veldt]

kinda

but at least its gameplay differences

its like we got a fatebound rework

xd

[wintry solar]

That's so true

[cinder haven]

then I made myself a weakaura to help with the cd syncing

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix @fathom bramble , im full energy, gcd is free because its after ks, i press a gcd/bte macro, yet there is 50ms between the 2

50 ms is already a lot idk if that would work to trigger the bug

[cinder haven]

I think it's not worth trying to trigger the bte thing

[vivid vessel]

can you figure out if i got the correct amount of coins from this cast @cinder haven ?

im comlpetlfy clueless

the 2 early pink bars are gs > bte then next pink bar is next bte

i geuss you cant actually see the exact number

[cinder haven]

tails looks weird

think you need to look at the raw event log or something

[vivid vessel]

heads goes from 3 to 7

and tails uh idk

+1 then goes to 0 then +2?

[torpid fiber]

buy a new house closer to servers

[cinder haven]

idk, my latency weak aura says 23ms

but dornogal is still laggy af

[torpid fiber]

i play at 7ms so ur behind

[cinder haven]

is this with double jeopardy or a "raw" send?

[vivid vessel]

thats vanish gs bte

[cinder haven]

that's.. wrong?

[vivid vessel]

before that gs cast im at 3 head

and 0 tails

[cinder haven]

the fuck is it doing

[vivid vessel]

ye i dont get it etiher

[cinder haven]

maybe hmm

so you macroed them together

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder haven]

but bte was delayed

[vivid vessel]

and this is after a ks

so im off gcd

and full energy

thats why im looking at this one

[cinder haven]

it looks like the BTE is interrupting the coin handling of GS

can you show a bit more above?

[vivid vessel]

were

[torpid fiber]

fatebound is awesome

[vivid vessel]

like before you mean

[cinder haven]

yeah

[torpid fiber]

maybe if we find enough fatebound bugs they'll have to rework it

[vivid vessel]

idk there is nothing before

cause ks cast here

[cinder haven]

and tails was 0 before

ok

so before the GS you got 4 heads

then after you got 1 tails

[vivid vessel]

i guess the dispatch could be relevant aswell

from bte

does it do anything

it should

[cinder haven]

I'm stuck on the GS

but you never know what order these events come in

and what belongs to what

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder haven]

double jeopardy GS should give you 3+3

but it gave you only +1 heads?

or maybe one of each

but you did get to 4 tails eventually

and 7 heads

starting from 0+3

[vivid vessel]

so like in total i go from 3 to 7 on heads, so 4, and tails goes from 1 to 0 to 2

dont look too far

[cinder haven]

ah that's later btes

[vivid vessel]

ye

[cinder haven]

so 0+3 to 2+7

[vivid vessel]

thats the relevant part

[vivid vessel]

wdym 0 + 3

its 1 to 0 to 2

[vivid vessel]

ok well

in total

i get 4/1

[cinder haven]

you had 3 heads before

[vivid vessel]

so

or well idk the tails auto destruct

4/2

eh

??

[cinder haven]

yeah so 1 off expected behavior according to pin

but pin also mentions that it is not reliable at all

[vivid vessel]

what does our tier set read as

[mighty pivot]

that Edge Case flips +1 and GS triggers its effect