outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

he got a 5 buff on pull

[indigo token]

dude

i fucking HATE outlaw devs

please debug the class or SOMETHING

[cinder haven]

Snowballed hard

[gaunt phoenix]

2 five buffs i think

[vivid vessel]

I think he got 3 no?

[cedar kernel]

my team thinks my dmg is too low

[cinder haven]

I was more referring to the cd syncing

[gaunt phoenix]

i cant quite tell if there was a 3rd one at 2:24

[cedar kernel]

its been gg mates

[covert kestrel]

why debug when no one plays

[indigo token]

yknow

[vivid vessel]

Ye has 5 buff then he chains it, I think he extended twice with kir cause he rolled a 5 buff while in kir

Then when he finally drops it

He get another

[indigo token]

we had a joke in the warrior discord

[covert kestrel]

craft a dagger, learn sub, embrace life

[indigo token]

yknow how the midnight trailer has "COME TO ARMS"

we said that was blizzard trying to get more people to play arms

we need the last titan to say the word outlaw somehow

[vivid vessel]

We are in the cinematic thing

With double dagger

Remember

[gaunt phoenix]

unfortunately sleight having 7% five buff chance is kind of lame

[vivid vessel]

Litteraly outlaw expac

[gaunt phoenix]

you are really invoking the gamba

[vivid vessel]

That's what I said back on ptr

[cinder haven]

Finally we'll be able to transmog double daggers !

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

I hope we can do both

Transmog and use them

Using double dagger would legit half fix outlaw prog

[cinder haven]

That's the joke ye

[vivid vessel]

Could play outlaw on prog for free now

Instead of giga inting

[covert kestrel]

I can't wait to see them cook up an empowered Roll the Bones where the longer you channel the higher chance of 5 buff

[random stirrup]

6 stage empower spell that gives 1 more guaranteed buff per stage

[covert kestrel]

Zac will combust

[gaunt phoenix]

huge

[random stirrup]

6s rtb channel into my 4s killing spree

Peak

[vivid vessel]

Nah but legit

[fierce trout]

Move RtB buffs to be a chance to proc from finishers and give us all for x duration

[vivid vessel]

I think they can delete rtb

And we just play with a cracked cto

• kir

[cedar kernel]

idk if brothers would like to give me more opinion in log

[vivid vessel]

Like a mini kir that happen more often but Is less long

[covert kestrel]

what do they move supercharger to? feint

[cedar kernel]

like every season i stucked at a very weird place

[cinder haven]

Why use a loaded dice and only have it give 2 buffs, doesn't make sense thematically

[vivid vessel]

Finally put it on vanihs cuh

So we are free

Of this cringe shit no cap

[covert kestrel]

gotta stay discrete so the other players dont know we're cheating the game

[vivid vessel]

But ye

Imagine if you had like

A 30% CTO

[gaunt phoenix]

i honestly want to see if 7% sleight is really correct

[vivid vessel]

That proc on every spell or smth

And then you have a mini kir that lock buffs for 20 s or smth

[cinder haven]

But we have guns when they accuse us of cheating

[vivid vessel]

And lower cd

And we jsut don't have the rtb button

No one likes the rtb button

Or

I don't

[cinder haven]

Only CTO plus kir

[vivid vessel]

I love rtb

Not the button tho

I just like the buffs

[torpid fiber]

I'm pretty sure our buff count is discrete even without loaded dice

[vivid vessel]

And how they interact with the spec

It's cool

And it's addictive getting buffs

Proccing. Cto

[fierce trout]

Thats what im saying, make it something that just proc off of other abilities

[vivid vessel]

Extending a bunch of cto

[cinder haven]

Delete rtb and buff cto

[proven ocean]

Lots of microwaved takes here

What the helly

[random stirrup]

Me when I don’t proc my 35% ss double hit and my 30% cto for 10 straight seconds

[cinder haven]

It's outlaw channel

What do you expect

[covert kestrel]

make ghostly strike no energy and buff cto by 20%

[random stirrup]

Terminal low roll potential

[vivid vessel]

Stfu

[random stirrup]

At least rtb has some protection

[stiff vector]

coinge

[quaint mauve]

how can tanks still not

do arakara first boss

[stiff vector]

the dark arts of coin abuse

[fierce trout]

They'll get it in S4

[quaint mauve]

i love when they just run boss to narnia

over letting dps cleave off boss

so the fight takes forever

[vivid vessel]

I wonder if he high rolled coins aswell

If that's a a thing

Like Perma tail

Imma check that on phone gg

[stiff vector]

ye I guess you can high roll tails, like 20+ tails

[fierce trout]

Cleave is always disrespected

[fading hatch]

When simming antenna whats a reasonable % to pick up the orb? Ive never played with it so cant rly judge

[stiff vector]

ye I got a 19 stack tails, right into a 16 stack tails

[vivid vessel]

Not sure he went that high up

I would expect a high roller coin to be like

Keep high chains

[stiff vector]

over those 20 sec I was doing arcane mage(in full CDs) burst tho, 50% of it was coin dmg lul

[vivid vessel]

Coins go crazy no cap

[stiff vector]

only if you are a student of the dark arts of coin abuse

[fathom carbon]

Roll the bones, it does not remove old effects when i roll a second/trhird time and so forth?
Or does it remove my old rolls and apply new ones?

[quaint mauve]

teach me your ways….

[quaint mauve]

are you using a weakaura to track

[fathom carbon]

I am not, yet

[quaint mauve]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

you should

[fathom carbon]

That's fair, but i still would love to know how it works 😄

If it removes old and apply new or if it just keeps stacking

[quaint mauve]

i actually don’t know how it works without the weakaura ngl

[torpid fiber]

#1276308344813916261 message

[quaint mauve]

i know KiRd buffs don’t get rolled away and that’s it

:p

[torpid fiber]

Without keep it rolling, it overwrites

With keep it rolling, it's complicated

[gaunt phoenix]

if you ignore KIR then normally your buffs are removed and you roll new ones

[fathom carbon]

So keep it rollings ''locks'' the rolls i have? Then i can pop a new RTB ?

[quaint mauve]

yes, and it also extends the time that they’re up

[torpid fiber]

it's... complicated

[gaunt phoenix]

when you press KIR, those buffs that are boosted by KIR will stick around, but not forever

[quaint mauve]

(?)

[fathom carbon]

reading that atm, tyvm for that insight!

[quaint mauve]

oh right that reminded me i have a question

is it really not worth rolling off 2 buffs without loaded dice?

[gaunt phoenix]

they stick around when they are a higher duration than the hidden rtb container buff

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's not

you will most likely get 1 buff

and then you just lost a buff

for no reason

[quaint mauve]

even with soh?

[gaunt phoenix]

if you use sleight then it does look like it's worth it

but i don't like it in the opener

cause you could end up delaying kir

[civic zephyr]

any suggestion lads?

[quaint mauve]

you always have loaded dice on opener no? :p

[gaunt phoenix]

you AR RTB which consumes loaded dice to get 2 buffs

[quaint mauve]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

but then you're saying you would roll again

[rotund haven]

Probs sacbrood

[gaunt phoenix]

and potentially lose the 2 buffs you just got

[floral compass]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

with sleight of hand this is potentially worth it but it's strange

[quaint mauve]

ohhh it depends for me usually, if count the odds likes me yk…..

i won’t roll

[gaunt phoenix]

well then you wouldnt have 2 buffs

you would have three or

[quaint mauve]

if i feel like ive sat on 2 buffs for too long

i just like

feel like i need to gamble

[random stirrup]

Do you think soh is better than sims indicate because of the buffs stay behind bug

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah

[random stirrup]

I feel it happens to me decently often

[gaunt phoenix]

just cause if you roll more often you are more likely to take advantage of it

[quaint mauve]

soh feels like such nice qol > 3% vers

[gaunt phoenix]

well yeah 3% vers doesnt feel like anything

i'm not totally sure about sleight in keys

it's for sure worth on every raid boss though

[torpid fiber]

3% vers goes crazy wdym
I can feel that 1.5% dr in the +6

[quaint mauve]

i’ve been liking soh in keys

[civic zephyr]

which one of the available builds you pref mostly?

[gaunt phoenix]

in keys i play 2fth

[civic zephyr]

that's the second one in the channel?

[gaunt phoenix]

No that's KIR but one of the variants

[elfin mural]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[civic zephyr]

you go this one?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[quaint mauve]

what r you dropping?

[hasty warren]

idk if I craft wrist or ring this week

[gaunt phoenix]

GS

[lusty sparrow]

and real clenchers in the chat

[quaint mauve]

wow…

what’s your ST like

or like your prio dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

idk it's fine

[stiff vector]

outlaw prio dmg

we dont do that no more

[quaint mauve]

heh….

[gaunt phoenix]

idc as long as i can still do 7-8 overall

[quaint mauve]

i mean gs is like off brand prio

[torpid fiber]

I'm pretty sure if I dropped gs in keys the pugs would be unable to ever kill a boss

It's not much but neither are they

[gaunt phoenix]

you might be overselling the difference between 1fth and 2fth st

[quaint mauve]

yk

[torpid fiber]

Oh that's fair

[quaint mauve]

ima try it

later today

when i wake up

[torpid fiber]

What's the gain, 6-8% from 2fth over not spending the point?

[gaunt phoenix]

ngl i like that 2fth can step out of range

for 3 seconds

[quaint mauve]

if i do around the same dmg

i might like it

bc one less button

[cinder haven]

Just give me acro back

[torpid fiber]

I do that as 1fth it's just more awkward

[gaunt phoenix]

1fth needs broadside to do that

[random stirrup]

1fth feels better at this tho since you can stack more fth stacks

[torpid fiber]

Nah just have 3 opp procs

[cinder haven]

FB needs to be in melee more sadly

[vivid vessel]

Ok but one fth can do it for longer

[cinder haven]

Stupid gs

[vivid vessel]

If bs up

That's why I like 1 fth gameplay

[gaunt phoenix]

that's true

[vivid vessel]

Just sucks to send 2 minuscule shot

[white marten]

Bro is absolutely zooming!! Whats next, ross?!

[hybrid crown]

I think HO is better for pug 10s

[cinder haven]

Trickster can use adr also to stay at range, but fb wants to send it with gs so in you go

I'll probably swap back to trickster eventually

[torpid fiber]

I don't have enough braincells to play ho

[cinder haven]

HO needs brain since when

[torpid fiber]

for me it does

I perma fuck up builders otherwise

[stiff vector]

huh

[cinder haven]

But it's super strict rules

[torpid fiber]

Yeah my brain is just so used to normal rules

[stiff vector]

HO for the bozos anyway who cares

[proven ocean]

Idk yet

trying to find 2-3 min afk grinds

Maybe thieving

[vivid vessel]

What builders

[torpid fiber]

bro I tried playing it for a bit in s1 and I kept sending PS in subt

[vivid vessel]

Guys

I need to play wow

I'm addicted

I need to kill dimencokc

Rn

[random stirrup]

I wish I raided more ngl

[jolly geyser]

Blueberry

[stiff vector]

dimencock sucks

[vivid vessel]

It's so bad kekw

Worse boss made

[stiff vector]

bro just perma parries ur shit

and has the hitbox of a fucking squirrel

[vivid vessel]

In a long while

[stiff vector]

blizzard is diabolical for that

[vivid vessel]

Actual trash design

Terrible

It's not even that only

So look

You have all the downtime

[stiff vector]

everything about the fight

is ass

[vivid vessel]

1min 30 cd

DPS requirements

Hands in P1 I can't see shit

[white marten]

Black jack thieving bro!

[vivid vessel]

Trash hitbox

[torpid fiber]

it's crazy that boss parrying is still a thing in 2025

[vivid vessel]

The mechanic to bring back people down you can't see when the circles are under the pink puddle

Which is everytime

And it's super important

How is that oversight even in game ??

[stiff vector]

I love getting sent up in the air

[vivid vessel]

Can't tell you

[stiff vector]

because I dont get enough downtime on that fight

[vivid vessel]

You get sent in the air it's a 5 s cd

[stiff vector]

just give me all the downtime

[vivid vessel]

The mechanic where you need to stack everyone with orbs

In p1

But it's super buggy

And sometimes the zone is legit afk

Outside of the player clump

What else

Dragon flight !

How could I forget

[stiff vector]

also the safe spots in p3 being like 2 centimeters out of melee range is some fucking real slap in the face by blozar

actual criminals

[vivid vessel]

It's in meele range

[random stirrup]

this got a lot better when I found out you want to dip in last second in mythic anyway

[stiff vector]

I mean kinda, you gotta be dangerously close to being outside of the safe spot while its moving to stay in melee range

[random stirrup]

felt a lot better to just hit boss outside of safe and dip at like 0.8s

[stiff vector]

like why is this massive fucking dipshit of a boss have the hitbox of a critter

[vivid vessel]

Y

[stiff vector]

btw remember blizzard said theyd fix hitboxes when they took away acro

[vivid vessel]

Cause they don't play melee

That's all

[vivid vessel]

Ye the hotboxes last raid were fine

Or the raid before

Then they forgot about it

And in m+ nothing changed

So clearly

They should have kept acro

Cause they suck

[stiff vector]

nah at this point I think they deliberately grief melee, this xpac convinced me. They have been diabolically awful with melee grief in keys this xppac

[vivid vessel]

At making the game

Good

[random stirrup]

Ranged is really hard I’ve heard melee needs some grief mechanics to make it more even

[copper radish]

Outlaw near the top on the overall for the raid damage. Sorry boys no tuning for us till midnight

[proven ocean]

Valarmore thieving bis

Giga afk

[hasty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k1g9VxAp8Ldt2Uein76DSe
does it sim with embelish ?

[white marten]

Whats the xp/hr on that?

[proven ocean]

I dont remember

But its not bad bad

[white marten]

Ill take bad bad over 500 clicks a minute anyday

[proven ocean]

Same as ardy knight if not abit better

[chilly portal]

hello do we always ambush when we are in stealth/subterfuge?

[proven ocean]

2 min afk

Or someshit

Kinda good

[polar niche]

hello guysa

i craft ring or belt=

?

[torpid fiber]

If you're playing Keep It Rolling you literally never press ambush, not even in stealth

[inner sky]

So if you dont get a reset, dont have FTH, dont have Blade Flurry, what are you pressing to buold CP's?

[white marten]

2 mins is solid. Ima have to check that out next time i play osrs so i can finally start doing desert treasure 2

[chilly portal]

:0 ok ty

[strong halo]

So i think im bugged and not getting weeklies from Fearin in dornogal

[torpid fiber]

Sinister strike

[inner sky]

Which in Stealth is ambush

[torpid fiber]

No it isn't

That's your stealth bars

dw, happens to everyone once

[inner sky]

Does it not auto switch anymore?

[torpid fiber]

I don't think it ever has?

It hasn't in years, at least

[gaunt phoenix]

SS turns into ambush during audacity, it has never turned into ambush during stealth, you enable that behavior with macros or stealth bar swapping

[inner sky]

Fair, was getting mixed up, thx

[chilly portal]

if we play hidden op tho we ambush always?

[proven ocean]

Ur head will pop from doing that quest but good luck

[copper radish]

Outlaw is top 10!!!! That must mean we have good ST, right??

[white marten]

Stahp. Seems easy 😏💀

[twilit rivet]

!tier

[white marten]

Should be higher tbh, given the amount of cleave in this raid. 🙄

[twilit rivet]

do i break the old 4set for new 2set (KiR, Trickster) only doing m+*

?

[copper radish]

50% to 45% flurry nerf for yah 😭

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[twilit rivet]

thanks

[white marten]

Outlaw the 0 niche spec . Love it.

[copper radish]

So niche flurry doing 80% of our overall

[mighty pivot]

they will buff bf back to 50% in tonight's tuning

[white marten]

No tuning tonight, next Tuesday

[plain mango]

This week, atleast for na is delve quest from brann for spark

[white marten]

HO buff coming soon

[late swallow]

haha all ur damage is blade flurry

easy spec just press blade flurry

[random void]

omg, didn't even noticed that. Entire time I had ambush there

[white marten]

And flurry is basically passive

Giga ez spec

[livid pewter]

that fkin trinket is a curse jesus christ... every vault the same shid

[quaint mauve]

german scares me

if that’s german even

[livid pewter]

well since we all know the icons it doesnt matter xD im not gonna play this game on english

[copper radish]

Yeah no tuning for another week yet fatebound coin got a 5 day hotfix with a 33% nerf for PvP…. How does blizz even remember there’s PvP 🤦‍♂️

[proper bear]

How big of a difference in dps is pug pulls vs organized pulls? Like you look at Zac and he’s getting 10m on a dungeon. If I’m getting like 6 on a pug that just ST bosses and what not, am I absolute trash or is that gap a bit of how the pulls are constructed?

[mossy shell]

It’s both

[gaunt phoenix]

Most pug keys you will get like 7-8m overall

10m is most certainly pulls

[white marten]

Pulling a ST alone is a big hit to overalls. And almost every single pug tank always pulls ST bosses by itself.

Specially for rogues with 0 ST 🤣

[late swallow]

lilie des ewigen geflechts 🔥

[vivid vessel]

The important part for outlaw is the pacing of pulls imo

Like it doesn't matter to pull big on cds etc

Bug pulling fast is a lot of gain

And obviously I'm in a comp with full raid buffs

Which is like 15% DPS gain

But also I'm better

[late swallow]

source?

[vivid vessel]

Me

[red zinc]

You aint better than me

[vivid vessel]

Sure am buddy

[keen belfry]

is zac EU awang?

[proven ocean]

Both of u are microwaved on outlaw

[late swallow]

this is what people are saying

[proven ocean]

no one can compete with the rogue master

[late swallow]

james pames cames?

[proven ocean]

Who

[late swallow]

(j)ames (p)ames (c)ames

imagine not knowing the goat's full name

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/washed-away-failarmy-big-wave-splash-wet-gif-17198351

[late swallow]

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ai-hug-cat-jesus-hug-cat-ai-gif-3164886642376333242

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[hasty warren]

What is best craft this week ? I've already sword+ring, I wonder making another ring with embelish and taking hera wrist

[wet nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jtkAXAjv4jASXqx8wixjZc

idk idol doesnt seem worth for a 1% upgrade on max ilvl

[late swallow]

best craft will depend on your other gear

just sim yourself and see which upgrade would be best

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-ai-lebron-james-lebron-lebron-ai-gif-5792462131339945126

Solo

What are your thoughts on Ai

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-boyle-299-birch-drive-rostock-racing-deer-club-oddkast-chocolate-gif-7604806897369123722

[stuck sparrow]

tompelvis already left

[late swallow]

nature is amazing

[vivid vessel]

nature is amazing

[hasty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dZ7iurAcRRxZzsi7ix83u3
look like it's ring but I'm not sure

[mighty pivot]

no, you sim with top gear and the relevant crafts and it will find what's best for you

[late swallow]

looks like you simmed dungeon drops

[frail veldt]

What are yours zac

[hasty warren]

mb

[hasty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x74sw2BPn72pyDMW8uqeLs

this one is crafted xd

[late swallow]

looks like ring is the move!

unless you wanna be anal and sim all the diff secondary combos

[hasty warren]

I tries vers/crit, it's not better

[vivid vessel]

I use it daily for work so idk

I also think it can be super cool for a lot of things

[late swallow]

i use it to text my friends and family

[vivid vessel]

Like think about big AAA games

But made by smaller teams

With less budget

[late swallow]

draft a diplomatic and friendly good morning text to my girlfriend

[keen belfry]

i use chatgpt all the time for work

its bad

[late swallow]

edit for brevity

[vivid vessel]

Casue all the repetitive work is things that can be done with AI

[late swallow]

is rogue APL ai?

[vivid vessel]

Like say to generate a bunch of diff looking trees asset for example

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

Shit like that

Makes no sense to have an human craft 200 trees for your game

[keen belfry]

i need to run to grocery store real quickl

[late swallow]

what are you gonna get king

[keen belfry]

bagel

fairlife choc milk

[late swallow]

big protein

any schmear for the bagel?

[exotic gale]

ever since AI become so useful, all games suck.. coincidence?

[keen belfry]

no no i just eat them with eggs and meat and cheese and sririchaa

[vivid vessel]

Idk I would think ai increase productivity

I have seen it first hand

I think wow being so bad

[late swallow]

insane

[vivid vessel]

Is just cause they continuously lay off

[keen belfry]

its so good stfu ok?

[vivid vessel]

And try to make as much money as possible

Increased game release cadence and stuff aswell

[late swallow]

nah that was a good insane

[vivid vessel]

• all the devs probably have an ego problem I'm ngl

[late swallow]

i just crushed some eggs with a tuna salad sammy for a late brekkie

[vivid vessel]

Can't recognize when they are wrong

[exotic gale]

the managers for the company where i work are so delusional, they try to push AI everywhere even though we showed them its stupid at least right now

[vivid vessel]

(all the time)

[keen belfry]

dont stfu ok?

[late swallow]

60grams of protein to start the day

[cinder haven]

games and a lot of other things, I'm so tired of all the AI bullshit

[frail veldt]

Yeee same

I use cursor it's pretty op

[cinder haven]

you can use AI, if you treat it like a colleague that pretends to know stuff he/she doesn't

[vivid vessel]

My AI collegue knows more than me usually I'm ngl

A bit depressing I guess

But it is what it is

[exotic gale]

i got a few of those already

[exotic gale]

i wish i had my own AI, like a pet

[vivid vessel]

Ai taught me a bunch of web dev when I was literally clueless

I'm still somewhat clueless

But I can do things now

[exotic gale]

yeah it compiles info really well

[vivid vessel]

Which is nice considering I'm just cluelssing my way around

[late swallow]

holy based

[cinder haven]

it tends to be better at you at stuff you know nothing about yeah

[vivid vessel]

It's very good when you know enough to know when it's bulshitting you tho

And to know what to ask

[cinder haven]

yeah, you call it out

[vivid vessel]

That's when it's kinda a banger carry I'm ngl

[cinder haven]

and it'll apologize and correct itself, but its kinda annoying

[late swallow]

i've had it apologize and give me the same bullshit responses 3-4 times in a row

i'll have it parse congressional hearings, and it will straight up make quotes up

[cinder haven]

I wouldn't trust it with anything remotely important mind you

[vivid vessel]

Also lately in visual code I have hyper integrated on crack code completion with AI

That is kinda banger

Anything I wanna do it knows what I wanna do

And it just do it when I type one letter

Like a guy reading your mind

Still impress me to this day

[inner sky]

AI can be great if you can recognize when it

it's wrong

[late swallow]

"you made this quote up, use only the text found in the transcript"
"you're absolutely right, I apologize and I'll make sure to only use the text found in the transcript"

makes up a quote again

[inner sky]

If not, your coding with a shotgun and hoping it doesnt shoot anything

[exotic gale]

i asked him why do we delay cold blood for 2nd sec tech and he's been halucinating for 3 prompts already

[vivid vessel]

Look all I'm gonna say is

If AI existed back when I tried to do wowanalyzer

Which I did some stuffs, it worked fine and shit but it took me a bunch of time

And then I gave up

It would have taken me 1/3 of the time with ai

It wouldn't have been as shit

And I might have not gave up

Not entirely sure on that part tho

You don't gain IO pushing to wowanalyzer repo

So idk

[exotic gale]

you made wow analyzer? or whats the story behind that?

[vivid vessel]

No lol

During df

[late swallow]

zac is THE wowanalyzer referenced in the name

because he analyzed so much

[vivid vessel]

I tried to pick up the outlaw module

Which I did decently enough for a tier

It wasn't bad

But ye

Too much work

[exotic gale]

oh i see to optimize the website for that

[vivid vessel]

To support the spec

You know what the website does right

[exotic gale]

you put the log and tells you what you did good or not

[vivid vessel]

Ye

But you need someone behind to code all that thing

It cantd magically tell you what is good or bar

Bad

You know

[onyx crane]

hello, right now i have 701 MH and 697 OH equipped, kinda naive question but how much damage is my weapons ilvl and how much do my stats do? because i have done the stupid and concentrated on stats (rings) and not the weapons, and my damage is mediocre (50-60%ish passes) and i was wondering if its the weapons holding me back at 695 ilvl

[exotic gale]

its easier to post a log and flame the person though

[inland acorn]

Ilvl especially on MH is priority

[onyx crane]

okay thank you!

[inland acorn]

After that you want haste cap, and rest is just stats vers/crit, always sim to be sure

[shell fossil]

anyone got the weapon swap macro?

malding over outlaw tuning rn

[inland acorn]

!weaponswap

[ornate heath]

You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand or you have two of them in your bags, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.

[exotic gale]

craft a 720 weapon for main hand and you're set. rings are the last thing you focus on.

main hand weapon > trinkets>=tierset > rest

[shell fossil]

oh yeah also got mythic warpclaw

👌

[onyx crane]

yeah fucked up pretty good (2 rings lmfao) anyways next craft should be possible in 2 weeks then..

(no need to tell me stupid move ik)

but thanks for the info

[exotic gale]

this week is third craft

[frail veldt]

Yeah I used it to do a bunch of data bricks SQL stuff for kpi dashboards with literally no background knowledge it was great

[south scaffold]

Got a dagger offhand, helmet and pacemaker in the vault, all myth track. I know that i should sim it, but in the long run, what would you take?😫
Have allready pacemaker hero Track, if that matters

[cinder haven]

how much dps gain is weapon swap I wonder

[shell fossil]

idk packs are all dying around the same time without in 12s

[rotund haven]

You guys crafting daggers for oh?

[shell fossil]

the fdk/hunter are doing gonga damage and i'm sitting in 3rd p consistently in trash overalls

same thing happened in cinderbrew last season

[cinder haven]

if I was crafting an oh I would craft a dagger yeah

but I'm probably crafting wrists or something

[shell fossil]

it's weird though i'm seeing the same thing with bleed build on assassin so it's definitely working as intended or something, i have to recraft my ring

[rotund haven]

Any dagger worth targeting in M+?

[gaunt phoenix]

!loot

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[gaunt phoenix]

Gloodgate

[vivid vessel]

Dagger is DPS loss

From mog

Double sword way better

[rotund haven]

Oh damn, I may be stuck in the past I thought dagger oh helped w poison procs/energy starvation

[shell fossil]

sord good

[rotund haven]

Outlaw tuning is so weird this tier

[vivid vessel]

Not enough to outdps the mog DPS gain

[rotund haven]

Ty zac

[gaunt phoenix]

dagger is slightly more instant poisons, but energy is the same

so dagger is just like 0.2% more dps

Huge

[inland acorn]

but -20% for mog

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Don't take the DPS hit imo

[rotund haven]

IO is temporary drip is forever

[cinder haven]

is dslice sim for cudgel a bit fake btw?

[vivid vessel]

Ye cause it doesn't swap

So it undersim

A bit

[gaunt phoenix]

its undersim yea

[river maple]

!prepull

[rotund haven]

It says my 678 cudgel is better than the myth weapon in my vault xd

[gaunt phoenix]

it's right

cudgel is generally still worth using on packs

even the shitty one

[cinder haven]

but how much gain is swapping?

[rotund haven]

I believe it, that’s just such a feelsbad that we have to use it

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[shell fossil]

you can do a 12 or 13 without weapon swap

[inland acorn]

I gave up on it, cba swapping shit

[cinder haven]

like 2% ST on bosses?

[gaunt phoenix]

you can sim a Droute but remove the bosses

or just the bosses only

[inland acorn]

I'm not pushing keys or anything so cba

[shell fossil]

im just doing it to see if it changes how packs die with two other pumpers in keys

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[rotund haven]

First pull of gambit feels particularly bad…always giga gapped by the other 2 dps

[gaunt phoenix]

ye cudgel does like 10% dps there

[drowsy ridge]

Uncapped vs. Capped AoE is always a kick in the ass

[cinder haven]

and then you have downtime boss, one ok boss, then another downtime boss

yay

[rotund haven]

The downtime this season is atrocious

[frank finch]

im pretty sure we getting soft capped in midnight

[gaunt phoenix]

never

we're not

[inland acorn]

Nah

We're staying capped to 8

[drowsy ridge]

Give me back uncapped toggle Blade Flurry

[frank finch]

casuals dont understand what capped means

hence

[inland acorn]

We still need to repent for outlaw sins from BfA

When you played x3 outlaws

[frank finch]

uncapped for casuals

thoughts?

[inland acorn]

I think they should remove dancing steel

[drowsy ridge]

I apparently missed the expansions where Outlaw was really good

[inland acorn]

So we're capped to 5

[gaunt phoenix]

uncapped for casualaddict only

[shell fossil]

[inland acorn]

Actually what do you guys think

If we just

[vivid vessel]

I don't

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think

[inland acorn]

Remove blade flurry

[vivid vessel]

Think

Tf solo

[inland acorn]

[vivid vessel]

50% aura buff

[inland acorn]

Imagine the power

[vivid vessel]

Adjust bf accordingly

0%

[inland acorn]

Outlaw spec with no aoe

But only ST

[worldly shale]

how about

we remove

outlaw

[frail veldt]

Do all the mobs die at the same time in the dslice sim?

[vivid vessel]

Actually we need a 80% aura buff to remove bf

Ye

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[vivid vessel]

90

[inland acorn]

best we can do

[vivid vessel]

Not at all

[inland acorn]

is 5

[vivid vessel]

They don't even all come at the same time

[proper veldt]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[gaunt phoenix]

but it doesnt matter cause cudgel also looks good in droute

[vivid vessel]

And they have diff hps

Does outlaw target highest HP mob

In stuffs like these

I wonder

And if so

When does it swap

[frail veldt]

How much of your damage is your cudgel doing on big packs cuz mine barely gets over like 3%

[vivid vessel]

Mine ?

[frail veldt]

Yeah or just anyone

[vivid vessel]

Mine does 0%

[frail veldt]

Lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont use 678 cudgel even though i should

if i get 691 ill use it

[cinder oxide]

the only dungeon I don't bother with cudgel in rn is streets

[mighty pivot]

speaking of swaps equipslot seems to be bugged when you use bag and slot id. It still picks the wrong weapon when you have a duplicate if it appears first in the bags

[glass mortar]

Same the only dungeon I dont bother with is streets

I just dont go there

[glass mortar]

Works for me equipping a bagslot unless the broke it recently

[shell fossil]

is a nice dungeon but last boss is mean

[keen belfry]

solo you must make a pin for me

[glass mortar]

I had to use this all last season with my double vexie fists

[gaunt phoenix]

Why

[mighty pivot]

that's my impression as well, it's either recent or I was lucky and my actual slot id was earlier in the bags than my duplicate

[keen belfry]

the world needs to know that loaded dice + soh = major vibes

[gaunt phoenix]

the knowers can know

[keen belfry]

i know so much call me Noah

[glass mortar]

I dont know why item duplicates would matter if ur equipping from a bagslot tho u don't even type the item name

[keen belfry]

Noah Fence

[mighty pivot]

my thoughts exactly

[vivid vessel]

Bro same

I legit don't vibe with a 678 vs a 723

Cba

[keen belfry]

ye

[vivid vessel]

Not even simming it

Doesn't pass the vibe check

[keen belfry]

once we get 691

if

ill use it

[vivid vessel]

Same cuh

[keen belfry]

until then 720 sword no cappi

im an inter zac my dagger craft is just rotting in my bags now

me when i just waste 60 crests

[indigo token]

question

[vivid vessel]

Haha

I didn't craft weapons for this exact reason

[indigo token]

why is outlaw parsing so high on mythic if it's ass to play in the raid

[vivid vessel]

But now I kinda wasted 60 gilded still

[mighty pivot]

why craft dagger when there is loomithar

[vivid vessel]

Cause I uppped the outlaw weapon for early prog in hope of dropping a second dagger

[fathom holly]

what are you not playing for soh?

[vivid vessel]

But I'm still waiting on the second dagger drop

[keen belfry]

vers

[vivid vessel]

Actual int it hasn't dropped yet

[keen belfry]

60 gilded is nothing in grand scehem of thingssad

[shell fossil]

more subtlety gear would be nice tbh

[mighty pivot]

OH is irrelevant for sub anyway (dunno about assa)

[vivid vessel]

It's actually nothing when you are me

(717 vaults)

[inland acorn]

Parsing high where ? And is it actually meaningful damage not pure pad

[fathom holly]

is it feely or did you sim?

[keen belfry]

youre so ass its crazy

[vivid vessel]

Real

Big ass

Come check

[keen belfry]

its simmy good

[indigo token]

oh wait

this is overall damage

[fathom holly]

you are good

[vivid vessel]

Check boss damage cuh

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[indigo token]

holy fuck

[vivid vessel]

And we are even getting carried by soul hunter being boss damage lol

Just imagine

[late swallow]

[gaunt phoenix]

now imagine boss damage without soul hunters

[vivid vessel]

There wasn't soul hunter

[keen belfry]

ty

[vivid vessel]

That would be crazy bro

[mighty pivot]

imagine no bosses at all

[late swallow]

b-but outlaw has good b-boss damage!!!!!!!!

and prio!!!!!!!

[inland acorn]

Wouldnt make a list

They would group us with tanks

[vivid vessel]

Imma fight with wcl to get all the pad adds bosses either invalidated in all stars so it doesn't show in the chart

Or delete add damage

Soon guys

Buffs incoming

[coral folio]

@vivid vessel I saw on your stream that your Roll the bones and sprint cds reset at the start of keys somehow(??) am I crazy for not understand how you do that without pressing any globals? https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/FairOriginalWallabyMcaT-ZqaMBiaXliUqpV0D

[fathom holly]

guys do you want to see a funny video (irl stuff)

[ancient cobalt]

cant buff otl would be too op on soul hunters

[vivid vessel]

What the helly

Solo help me

[gaunt phoenix]

!sndbug

[ornate heath]

There is once again a bug that lets you spam Slice and Dice during downtime for CDR. It works by causing SnD to refund CPs as if it benefits from Supercharger.

To activate the bug have to consume Supercharger once normally with RTB > finisher, and then SnD will bug out until your next damaging finisher, so you can spam a cancelaura macro while it is bugged. From 1CP, SnD will have an 80% chance to refund CPs so you can't spam it forever. To activate it between pulls, you have to delay RTB until towards the end of the pack. This can mean that trying to activate the bug can cost you more dps than it's worth.

The bug is not a secret to 7 million overalls, it can mostly just help you get AR back through periods of forced downtime. You can also use it prekey to try to spam RTB for a natural 5 roll.

/cast Slice and Dice```

[vivid vessel]

Ty I panicked

[mighty pivot]

the secret to +40% dps

[inland acorn]

Time to dethrone zac

[vivid vessel]

Frfr

[inland acorn]

With this tech

[vivid vessel]

All that to do tank dps

[inland acorn]

[gaunt phoenix]

The bug is not a secret to 7 million overalls,

i guess i should increase this number

[inland acorn]

Why

[vivid vessel]

11

[inland acorn]

Its accurate lol

[gaunt phoenix]

12

[coral folio]

ok so it's a bugabuse strat

[mighty pivot]

this part is no longer valid tbh with the shitty 5 roll chance now

[vivid vessel]

Nah I don't think I'm doing 12 any time soon

In ngl

Spec sucks

[near rock]

@fathom bramble are u playing law on dimensius when u get there

[coral folio]

is it ok to use this

[vivid vessel]

Ots

[coral folio]

I assume it is

[vivid vessel]

Are you

Cause imma tell you one thing

[near rock]

no im not

lmao

[vivid vessel]

It's the first time ever

[inland acorn]

Think he said he is going sub on that one, but i might be lying

[near rock]

im wondering if hes insane enough

[vivid vessel]

In all the tiers I progged

That I felt like it would be unkillable as outlaw

Cause we can barely meet DPS checks on platforms

[near rock]

i mean ur essentially a carry

[vivid vessel]

Sometimes we don't meet them

And sub solo carry that

[gaunt phoenix]

solo

[vivid vessel]

While outlaw would do legit 1/3 the damage

Ye

[vivid vessel]

He told me he was prepping sub tho

[fathom holly]

solo mentioned

[vivid vessel]

Hopping for boss nerfs

Before he gets to it

In current state tho

If you pull up to daddy dimmy tomorrow as outlaw

I hope you get benched

[shell fossil]

just get the sandals and your trink

[vivid vessel]

Litteraly illegal

[inland acorn]

I don't hope

[mighty pivot]

outlaw hater zac tsk tsk

[inland acorn]

I know i'll get benched

[vivid vessel]

I mean it will be diff in 2 weeks idk

Just saying rn

Currently

Don't do that

Or you are inting 19 other players

Like actual you will never kill inting

+200 pulls cause of spec

Not even lying

[mighty pivot]

zac is only trying to dissuade you so that he is the first outlaw to kill dimmy

[vivid vessel]

True

I think next next week

Wait

So this reset I think I kill

Next reset I do a sub one

And the reset after I hope I can be outlaw on it

Will see

[mighty pivot]

how many class tunings will happen until then?

[vivid vessel]

Maybe first outlaw kilk

[vivid vessel]

0

[inland acorn]

for outlaw 0

mage +5 aura buff

[mighty pivot]

frost mage +7%

[fathom holly]

i dont think they are wasting any more resources on tww

[shell fossil]

outlaw rogue in our guild parsed a bunch of 95-96 on heroic this week with veteran track sandals and hero trinks
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fyCMGhJDTPk9FgtW?fight=14&type=damage-done

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix they stealth buffed warrriors btw

fixing some interactions and shit

[near rock]

god its such a disgrace man

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[near rock]

what a dogshit ass game

[vivid vessel]

i was getting gapped by my warrior already

kinda gg

[near rock]

its not even just the dps or the profile for those fights, but law just feels horrendous to play rn, zero fun

[inland acorn]

who is not gapping outlaw

outside of healers

[shell fossil]

roll a 100, do iT

[inland acorn]

and guardian druid lol

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think its weird

i dont like all the trickster bullshit

but otherwikse its ok

[gaunt phoenix]

he's not a knower

[vivid vessel]

my enjoyement is very much getting nulled by the fact all my killing spree hits are going to random targets tho

that does infurate me a lot

[shell fossil]

i don't know what that means solo

[gaunt phoenix]

you're not a knower

[vivid vessel]

bro doesnt know

[mighty pivot]

he doesn't know

[fervent garden]

so i pretty much lurk here all day long and see how everyone is killing S3 outlaw. wondering if it's not to late to just s ef it and re-start season with WW monk. I hear they are doing well in keys.

[shell fossil]

heem

[gaunt phoenix]

You're supposed to send vanish into gs

[vivid vessel]

hm

dont think thats true

idk never seen a ww tho

[fervent garden]

maybe it was raid

[vivid vessel]

but if i was a betting man

[gaunt phoenix]

i've had monks fight with me on overalls

[vivid vessel]

i wouldnt bet on ww in keys

im ngl

ye in raid its good

or well

its ok

its good cause the damage profile is what you want this tier

1min30 cds

with aoe burst

[fervent garden]

something to think about, but i dont think ill ever pull the trigg. love outlaw to much

[vivid vessel]

for free

like playing full st builds

[shell fossil]

i just read that pin too, probs not gonna do heroic tomorrow on outlaw so oh well

[gaunt phoenix]

rip

knowers get 100 parses

[mighty pivot]

frfr

[vivid vessel]

why did they nerf this to 7 btw

it was 11 last season

like was it too op

[gaunt phoenix]

was it?

[vivid vessel]

me dont understand

ye

[mighty pivot]

it was 7

[gaunt phoenix]

[mighty pivot]

you are hallucinating

[vivid vessel]

it was 11 after the uncap of crests

im not hallucinating

you stopped playing too early

[fervent garden]

11 was a one time with bounty. you got 3 stashs for 7 each each week

[inland acorn]

you answered yourself

[fervent garden]

still the same

[vivid vessel]

the one time bonus was 15 so thats also not true

[fervent garden]

ha

ok

[inland acorn]

@gaunt phoenix is the bte+gs macro actually required, or just GS 1st after vanish is fine ?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not required

i macro it just in case

it works 1 every 14 casts

but i dont delay gcd

the bte thing is just extra cringe thing that maybe works

[mighty pivot]

we love some extra rng layers

[inland acorn]

I remember one pull on fract

Where i got to 22 coins

And then we wiped

[mighty pivot]

report team

[indigo token]

i really dislike that we have to fucking

use an exploit to get coins

[waxen scarab]

if ihave 20% haste without haste flask

which flask should i drink

[gaunt phoenix]

vers

unless you have like 6000 crit

[waxen scarab]

i have 8k crit

[gaunt phoenix]

might wanna sim vers vs crit

[proper veldt]

blade flurry op guys ! no capi

now I know what cooldowns to use and when

[copper radish]

It’s like outlaw uses adrenaline a lot 😂

[proper veldt]

snd = outlaw opener guys

[vivid vessel]

HM

THIS IS SUSPECT

are these all my logs are what

[frank finch]

wtf

[proper veldt]

top logs of ara ara

archon is implementing some rotation analyzer

I think

[hybrid crown]

Maybe someone didn't have enough time to cook their full set of charged CPS and were trying to get another one with snd bug

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOL

[fathom carbon]

Used drop optimizer sim.
Used the preset for crafted 720 items
https://imgur.com/bzqznCA
If we ignore the shoes/glvoes since i got 670 items there, this seems to suggest crafting Off hand is kinda legit? (already got a 720 mainhand)

My plan was to recraft a 720 ring with embelishment, but this makes me consider an offhand. Am i reading it wrong or what is your wisdom 😄 ?

[mighty pivot]

constant snd usage

[vivid vessel]

wtf

so many outlaw rogue abusers

its not even just me

[frail veldt]

isnt this just from pressing KS?

[vivid vessel]

wox aswell

and the chinese guy

[gaunt phoenix]

16 killing sprees?

[vivid vessel]

wait nvm

[frail veldt]

I feel like its so rare that I actually use supercharger just before a pack dies

[vivid vessel]

its just me and wox

gg

[frail veldt]

I only ever end up doing snd stuff at the start

[vivid vessel]

im sorry guys

i will not do it again

[mighty pivot]

nvm I misread what you said

[vivid vessel]

the number is on kir

not ks

idk what it meas ntho

[gaunt phoenix]

16 buffs

[frail veldt]

hahaa

[proper veldt]

wtf abuser !

[vivid vessel]

or well idk

its when you overlap cds?

idk

[proper veldt]

infinitely rolling over rtb and keeping them for sure

[vivid vessel]

like 2

kir and ks

[gaunt phoenix]

thats what i thought but idk where 16 comes from

even 1 then 6 doesnt make sense

[vivid vessel]

3 casts

[vale python]

what is the benifit of using the SnD bug at the start of the key?

[vivid vessel]

i odnt see a 16

[gaunt phoenix]

i opened it locally

[vivid vessel]

fish for more sc

[frail veldt]

also 13

[vivid vessel]

idk

its kinda irrelvant

[frail veldt]

reduce adr a little before first pack

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[fathom carbon]

Thought that counts 🙂 I'm just fairly confused xD

[cinder haven]

Do you only press this after vanish? If you always use it, won't it send gs when you should hold it, like if you're already in stealth?

[gaunt phoenix]

i only hit the macro after vanish

i have AR GS and then GS BTE

[cinder haven]

I macroed adr and gs into vanish, zero extra binds, because lazy

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[cinder haven]

Also have ar gs and only gs, guess i could use the adr+gs bind for lone gs too tho

For maximum laziness

But there might be a situation where i wanna hold adr i guess

[granite merlin]

Tobfon how is fatebound in m+ feel?

[gaunt phoenix]

he likes it cause he's weird

[granite merlin]

Is it that bad?

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's fine

just different things to get used to

[cinder haven]

It's fun and I'm indeed a bit weird

Bit more frontloaded

I feel less useless on bosses

[gaunt phoenix]

in the end it is still 1fth

[hybrid crown]

Does the macro give you nice aoe burst

[gaunt phoenix]

which is stinky !

[cinder haven]

!

[hybrid crown]

For like 1 second

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess

AR GS you can feel the numbers numbering

[frank finch]

yea i found a mistake i been doing

im struggling with container stuff

[cinder haven]

I don't like 2fth not allowing ps at 2cp

[frank finch]

im rtb after after kir and sometimes losing 50 sec buff to 30

[gaunt phoenix]

thats like my favorite rule

[gaunt phoenix]

that's correct'

[cinder haven]

I should like it

But i don't

[frank finch]

whats a simple rules to fix that

[gaunt phoenix]

so now your buffs are like 50 50 50 30 30

when those 30s buffs expire you are at 20 20 20 and they are all yellow

then you get to roll again

Rolling immediately after kir is correct

[frank finch]

wait