outlaw

[cedar kernel]

idk if i were u i might choose claw

[stiff vector]

like there is just no excuse for howbadly theyve fucked this spec this xpac

[cinder haven]

warpclaw is pretty decent ST also I think

[random stirrup]

trickster hits for sub but yeah all the rest is kind of atrocious especially compared to the attention given to shaman, mage, hunter, etc

[cinder haven]

if you can't get myth raid trinkets at least

[random stirrup]

and what they did to outlaw is gross

[heavy shadow]

I got sac last week as well

[grim spear]

I’ve played FB in keys for a few days

it feels fine

overall damage is about the same

[cinder haven]

I like the burst you can do with FB

even though it doesn't really matter

[grim spear]

It’s just a bit annoying figuring out how to keep lucky coin

especially in pugs

[stiff vector]

ye im still not rly convinced of FB in keys

[grim spear]

I also didn’t feel my single-target went up much

[stiff vector]

maybe if tuning changes but idk doesntrly seem like there is much point in playing FB

[cinder haven]

lucky coin uptime is at least way higher this tier

[grim spear]

it’s basically about the same.

Yeah, farming Lucky Coin back is easier now.

vanish -> gs stuff feels good

[heavy shadow]

Ha sim tells me to take belt https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o9yJ1bp41KcDhYcYijR9Be

[torpid fiber]

Disc belt is kinda mid for us, ya

[grim spear]

+11 Eco I just ran
about the same numbers when I play trick

[heavy shadow]

How is the proc siming for belt? I assumed it would eventually get replaced either way. It's hard to turn down a nice trinket though, but I do have a hc sigil so that is decent enough I guess

[quaint mauve]

i feel like my dmg is so useless

like pad dmg of doom

[cinder haven]

it kinda is

[vivid vessel]

It is

[stiff vector]

you just tickle the mobs while the real specs wait for their CDs

[torpid fiber]

honestly, considering that i didn't have any myth track slots this vault goes kinda hard
hero track hands gets me 4p, or i could take hero track idol...
this is probably an idol angle and just accept that i need to wait until i get a hero track drop to catalyse from M+ for 4p

[south scaffold]

Fuck. Got a dagger offhand, helmet and pacemaker in the vault, all myth track. I know that i should sim it, but in the long run, what would you take?😫

[torpid fiber]

i'm so sick of not having 4p but at the same time I haven't sent any catalyst charges so it's gigatroll i think to take the hands here

[fathom whale]

I reckon this is how every player in the game feels aye, valid Zac

[safe pasture]

just run some halls and get a hero track hands while farming idol

the cata it ye

[cinder haven]

Sounds like you can choose based on short term here. Trinket you can get with dinars later

[torpid fiber]

i think the angle is actually to go for a hero track chest

bc i have head pants shoulders tier rn

so hero track chest means i'm also able to avoid using tier hands

[cinder haven]

So dagger if you wanna off spec

Helmet if you want more stam

Trinket if it is a big upgrade it

[safe pasture]

prob lock the trink in at this rate im like 20 halls deep no idol

zzz

[south scaffold]

Its the versa crit dagger offhand. So maybe i should take that and call it a day? Otherwise i would craft an offhand this week....

[torpid fiber]

my only concern with idol is that double on use might actually be awkward because we want to pair netherprism with kir + vanish windows

[light kernel]

what to take?

[plucky sonnet]

I've obtained a hero netherprism for sub rogue, is there a world, or rather are there any keys do you guys think that I might gain from using it on outlaw as well? I also have cursed stone idol as an on-use option

[cinder haven]

I would probably be leaning towards helm tbh

[safe pasture]

gota be antenna

[torpid fiber]

wow the sims are telling me that idol is not that big a dps gain in dslice over my current trinkets, huh
i think i'll probably end up taking it but it's not a snap pick rn, i'll see how loot drops go

[safe pasture]

im p sure idol is huge in like giga pulls

[torpid fiber]

i'm on netherprism + sigil rn (both champ track) so my trinket situation is actually pretty nice rn
and yeah

[safe pasture]

like opener of flood for example

[torpid fiber]

yeyeye

[south scaffold]

I cant covert the helmet right now, need to wait one more week. But yeah... i have the pacemaker on hero Track. Its not thaat big of an Upgrade.
Im not really playing assa right now either

Or ill take helmet and just craft the dagger this week?

[cinder haven]

I probably would

[light kernel]

should i take hero antenna or mythic pacemaker?

[cinder haven]

Although idk if dagger craft is the best

Gonna be driving for a bit, bbl

[light kernel]

is 710 antenna better than myth pacemaker?

[velvet barn]

whats the prefered way for simming for m+ ? getting quite different results, dungeon slice seems not trustworthy

[stiff vector]

it cant be understated how much dimensius sucks ass

[lime lake]

real

[velvet dagger]

what we taking chat?

[lime lake]

shoulders for transmog

[grim spear]

araz for sub

[stiff glade]

Vault boots for transmog

[muted tangle]

Hi everyone !
Guys i don't understand how Supercharge is working. Is it like before, two CP i need to use alone, or do i just need to play normally (Using CP at 5-6) and they are charged ?

[cinder haven]

Play normally

You consume them automatically and get bonus cp for three next two finishers after rtb

[lofty sand]

i'd have haste cap either way, why sim like ara trink?

[cinder haven]

You still build to 6+ normal cp (or 5+ in some cases like in stealth)

[muted tangle]

Thanks a lot 🙂

[muted tangle]

Ofc !

[shy sandal]

i have a crafted weapon and a ring what should be my 3rd item? another ring or belt?

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix you seen the prism nerf, i wonder if that behavior was in sims or not

[gentle lotus]

Newbie to rogue here....when we apply whetstone , do we only apply it on MH or do we so it for both MH amd OH? Any dps increase if we do both ?

[vivid vessel]

can someone send me a /simc with a vault thing in it

[plucky sonnet]

you apply to both to get +800AP instead of +400AP

[tender wedge]

Robots are weird

[quaint mauve]

same for me idk why

[lofty sand]

well

i found why

it will sim the cosmic hunt more if u get 19,5% haste. I had 18.7% haste

[tender wedge]

Yeah it’s a bit of a trap, especially when you run droptimizer and it’ll tell you any trinket with haste is bis by a mile

Almost tricked me into grabbing that one off sprocket last season

[quaint mauve]

mine sims when i have 19.4% haste

[lofty sand]

yeah sim is weird

[quaint mauve]

and it beats everything

idk

[tender wedge]

Tool is tool.

[quaint mauve]

why sac brood outsims

[tender wedge]

I mean it’s a good trinket

[shy sandal]

does signet of colapsing stars drop only from gambit dung or both tazavesh dungeons?

[lofty sand]

have yall simmed for the crit dmg bonus from rare gem?

insane

bro

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel you seen the m+ queue polls they are doing

[lofty sand]

very weird combination would be the top dmg

[red zinc]

They are actually working on a queueing system of some kind, got to be with what they’re asking

[vivid vessel]

ye

[red zinc]

Idk my issue with it is that I would not want 4 out of 5 people that apply to 10s

[vivid vessel]

im more interested by this rn tho

[red zinc]

high keys its probably going to be great

But 10s will become a fuckin hellscape if i cant handpick

[queen fjord]

is there info on when i should send killing spree and if i should clip it at max combo points?

[vivid vessel]

like i dont really get what it actually means

idk if you udnerstand it timmy

[red zinc]

I think it might just make it so people have incentive to list their keys

[radiant vessel]

bruh i guess its a helm thing with this shit

[red zinc]

first key of the week (even if you dont have resi yet) will be resi anyway

[vivid vessel]

it reminds me a bit of the solution to resilient i mentionned last time

[quiet root]

i think you'd have the queueing system AND the current system available to you so your 10s are not ruined

[vivid vessel]

wehre you key is always resilient as a leader if its resilient, but you cant start it again in a grp where one of the guys depleted that resilient key

[red zinc]

Thats what id hope but i feel like if they do that itll be beside the point

[fathom bramble]

I feel like the queue system can't fix the biggest problem with weekly 10s

there are too many dps

and no one wants to tank/heal

[red zinc]

almost like they should make tanking/healing more healthy

[vivid vessel]

it should be easier and better

[red zinc]

like their constant messaging saying they’re trying to make tanking more accessible and less spikey

[vivid vessel]

tanks should legit be invincible prolly

[red zinc]

And then they nerf tank threat

What the fuck is the point

idk i almost think like

Make tank do near dps damage but just cap them in m+ / raid

1 per group

The overwatch solution i guess but whatever

[hollow bloom]

Probably never happen…but id like to rogue tank on retail. Like the SoD rogue tanking.

[fathom bramble]

if routes were simpler I also think people would be more open to tanking

[quiet root]

i think this barely helps people get into it, people just don't want to play tanks because that means taking the lead

[fathom bramble]

but we also have a ton of classes that can't tank or heal is another thing

[red zinc]

I don’t think its the largest issue

Sorry for spamming OW analogies today but

[lime lake]

its definitely an issue

none of my classes even have the option to tank or heal

i'd press w in weekly 10s as tank if i had the option

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's hard to say how big of an issue it is

I know I would gladly tank, but never heal

whether my class had a healer spec or not

[red zinc]

You might do it but not for long

[inland acorn]

Rework outlaw to tank

[red zinc]

Player retention on healer/tank specs gotta be way lower than dps

[inland acorn]

Since we're already pretty close to tank damage

[fathom bramble]

idk I never really minded doing it on my dh or pal

I just stopped playing those alts for other reasons

[red zinc]

I don’t have access to those stats obviously but you can see how few tanks there are after a few weeks

[fathom bramble]

but making tank less bad to play should probably be a much higher priority than trying to add tank/heal specs to mage/lock/hunter/rogue

[lime lake]

ye they definitely do need to just fundamentally improve how tanks and healers play more importantly

i dont really have a good answer as to how though

maybe just make tanks immortal but maybe thats just boring idk

[timid breach]

what would you choose, incorporeal warpclaw myth or astral anthenna hero? I also have the sacbrood and it sims the incorporeal better, but as the antenna is harder to obtain I am not sure what to pick

[vivid vessel]

you know what tanking actually need

mdt in game

that have a settting to highlights mobs you need to pull

[fathom bramble]

the pressure to know and have a route I think turns off enough players to matter

[vivid vessel]

directly on your plates

ye

[fathom bramble]

a default route by blizz could help

[vivid vessel]

and blizzard would provide defautl routes indeed

like in league

where they have default builds

like I think this is like the r1 thing to make tanking more approachable

and its also not even possible to do with an addon btw

mobs in wow have an unique ID but only after spawning, so addons cant know which mob is which

so its basically impossible to accurately do anything that would need to know which mob is which and wehre

otherwise this could be solved by addons

[red zinc]

At the very least a vanilla version of that count wa would be good

[lime lake]

oh that would be kinda sick actually

[red zinc]

like it shows you the % currently aggrod

[vivid vessel]

ye

[agile orchid]

This would be incredible

[quiet root]

100% it is

[torpid fiber]

tbh even if they didn't let ppl make their own custom routes in it and just had like 3 pre-made builtin ones per dungeon it would be goated

and not letting ppl make their own routes would stop complaints of it "removing an important skill from tanking" (memorising where to click to bring up MDT)

[lime lake]

ye honestly even just a couple shitty presets that get you to 100% count would be fine

[vivid vessel]

eh

[lime lake]

obviously would be better to make your own route

[vivid vessel]

no one cares about that

im ngl

[torpid fiber]

nah u don't know wow players

[vivid vessel]

idk a single tank that woul;d complain about that

and i know a lot of hgih end tanks

[torpid fiber]

like obviously it'd be strictly better

[vivid vessel]

maybe its just low ego players

but like

idk a single tank taht actually cares about that part of the game

[torpid fiber]

like i think the system would be better with true custom routing but there exists an in-between that dodges complaints

[vivid vessel]

most tank default to making routes cause its kinda expected of them

[torpid fiber]

but yeah i think you're 100% right, if tanks had pre-made routes in-game in M+ it'd be such a huge win for the role's accessibility

[vivid vessel]

i have tanked a bit on my brew

and i do enjoy tanking

but some dungeons idk

its just so annoying

like motherlode for example

routes you have to do in low keys are so different than hihg keys routes

everyone body pull shit

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel chest boe only 3m

its gonna drop like hell

[vivid vessel]

wait

mtyhic ?

[proven ocean]

in a week or 2

lol

ye

[vivid vessel]

what

no way

[proven ocean]

told u zac

its cheap this tier

alot are dropping

cheaper than last season from week 1 only

xd

[vivid vessel]

bruh

on na

[proper veldt]

cant believe I had to take chest from vault

[vivid vessel]

the prices are crazy

[quaint mauve]

my biggest grudge with tanking

is how like inconsistent it feels in pugs

[proven ocean]

no one will buy those

so

ye

gonan be cheap

wont sim crazy

on belt

and boes are giga common

[zealous plinth]

Be happy you have a chest at all xD

[proven ocean]

compared to last season

last season they were omega rare

only rings will be expensive it seems but thats normal

[proper veldt]

dw I took socket last week

[vivid vessel]

are prices similar betwen na and eu usually ?

[still matrix]

this drops at myth ilvl that is sellable?

[quaint mauve]

how much is the full vers ring rn

[still matrix]

was like 1.1mil on my server

[proven ocean]

idk but the prices seem crazy there

[vivid vessel]

nvm this is a belt

im stupid

[proven ocean]

1.1m for last season head

its like 800k here

i think we have more boe farmers in eu but im not sure

[still matrix]

I thought mythic boes not even sellable or something

[vivid vessel]

i see

[still matrix]

what site is this?

[vivid vessel]

wowpay2win

[proven ocean]

what website

@vivid vessel delete i think dont share it so ppl dont buy no cappy

[still matrix]

lol

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

this

[still matrix]

Im just confused how it shows up as 714 ilvl i cant see any that ilvl

in eu

[vivid vessel]

its per server

[still matrix]

but like 50 in US seems mad, thought we had more peeps farming that shit

[vivid vessel]

you hae to sawp server

[vivid vessel]

honestly 3.5

i buy

idk

[proven ocean]

what

[still matrix]

mythic vers ring buy it

[proven ocean]

its gonna be avoidance price in a month

[still matrix]

only like 10mil

[proven ocean]

u sure u want to waste that

or

[vivid vessel]

no im not buying

there is 2 chests dropping in raid

on fract and soul hunter

714 ilvl

i dont need to buy actually

[proven ocean]

ye i mean its a scam to buy now ye

[vivid vessel]

belt tho

[proven ocean]

huge gold waste

[still matrix]

Would you not have to swap from EU to US to buy it?

[vivid vessel]

well

you cant do that cuh

[still matrix]

EU only has hc sadge:

[vivid vessel]

no it does not

[still matrix]

that's all eu realms buh

filtered by ilvl

[vivid vessel]

ah ye they gone

[still matrix]

this is US realm

[vivid vessel]

there were some 10min ago

[still matrix]

😅

[vivid vessel]

here some chests tho

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[still matrix]

got my myth chest cata ready for next week

Nightfall weekly about to go down, pray

[proven ocean]

ngl zac

thats alot of boes for 4 hrs mark

i think we're gonna see alot more

i think we even got like

[vivid vessel]

tbf ross

[proven ocean]

4 boe's in 1 raid

[vivid vessel]

chests are useless

[proven ocean]

belt aswell

[vivid vessel]

you have 2 714 chests

[proven ocean]

so

[vivid vessel]

from fract and soul

well belt is bis stat

so no

[proven ocean]

ye true

i mean ye true

[vivid vessel]

• no belt drops

[proven ocean]

we did get a rly rly good belt

[vivid vessel]

other than first boss

[proven ocean]

last raid

imagine

zac

i was 1 min late

like

14 mins pre raid

i went to the raid

the guy looted boe leather belt

with socket

714

crit vers

fml

couldnt get it

cuz he cant trade

💀

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

literally 1 min late

crit vers is like

bis for both sin and sub cuz i lack crit and need vers on both

💀

[vivid vessel]

gg

[proven ocean]

good thing is

not many leather classes are meta atm zac

so not many will need myth boe with avoidance except us

well u dont

but i do

[vivid vessel]

i know lol

we have 3 leather in raid

im soaking everythig n

last reclear i got legs + shoulders

and i almost got a head aswell

and if a chest would have dropped i would have gotten it

if a chest or head or hand drop this raid im legit soaking everything

leather

[willow portal]

i pulled this and was sad that i would have to give it away before realizing i couldnt trade

[proven ocean]

here we're giving loot to healers

[worldly shale]

what the fuck

[proven ocean]

💀

lost 2 items to healers last week

[vivid vessel]

healers

we dont have leather healer tho

we have a boomie, a dh dps, and me

[proven ocean]

more hps i guess

[vivid vessel]

then its the monk tank

its the same for zenith

im soaking it all 💀

[proven ocean]

ye i mean

dpsers always get all the loot in top guilds since its way more value

i'll be there next expac tho idc

[vivid vessel]

ross if i get slightly lucky from raid drops

im full gear legit

[proven ocean]

my ilvl is the same as zerocool

who doesnt even raid

fuck me dude

[vivid vessel]

[quaint mauve]

is taz hard mode still hard

[vivid vessel]

noob

[vivid vessel]

if you are bad at the game

[quaint mauve]

well

i purple parsed all day

so if

ig it is

😓

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

microwaved vault

already got a 723 head+socket

and crafted shoulder

[knotty knot]

Hi guys, got what do you think about my vault? Think about taking one of dungeon trinket cause they are myth and not the leg myth cause i'm close to do raid myth, is one of the trinket better than the other?

[fallow fractal]

this has to be mythic chest right ? hc antenna way easier to get ?

[knotty knot]

off set shoudn't be gloves? maybe you can take Shoulder 714 and drop gloves

[knotty knot]

Think yes, or prism maybe, but chest still Myth item

[vivid vessel]

hm

ahdns set ?

my vault is ok i guess idk

thing is

[proven ocean]

nah

[vivid vessel]

imma reclear

[proven ocean]

sounds microwaved

to set those gloves

or?

[vivid vessel]

and i have very high chance of getting a head and a 714 chest in raid

[vivid vessel]

idk could be worse i guess idk

[proven ocean]

ye microwaved to set gloves

soulbinder drops gloves 710

so

[vivid vessel]

m+ row is so microwaved early on now

kinda crazy

[muted tangle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[willow portal]

why crafted shoulders tho

[proven ocean]

ye raid vault matters way more

[vivid vessel]

like ross

the raid row

is +30 crests

its crazy now?

[proven ocean]

zac i calculated my vault

its like

60-70% chance to get an upgrade

fuck my ass

[willow portal]

i also got a nice raid vault (as we inted on fractillus and i didnt get a second slot)

[spare dome]

trinket vault

[fallow fractal]

where is my option to lock 1 item for next week

[willow portal]

jooo that would be cool

[fallow fractal]

yeah so we can have stuff on weeks we only get crap

[willow portal]

you mean hole weeks?

:)

[fallow fractal]

y

was so clear that the antenna wins on both st and m+ sims but than again chest is mythic item

[vivid vessel]

ye mine was 60% aswell

but like

its kinda fake

cause i have such high chances of getting chest in raid

[grim spear]

Is there a simulator for vault gocha chance?

[wintry solar]

the most outlaw main thing ever said

[fallow fractal]

just roll a dice KEKW

what was haste cap again 16-18 ?

[dusty blaze]

19.04%

[tawdry linden]

Does anyone know how it's easiest to sim the different gems in your cloak? Can't find an option on Raidbots

[fallow fractal]

ty

[obtuse hollow]

but its there

[still matrix]

my sim tells me to go 18.55 idk why

[tawdry linden]

Oh my god I am blind... Ofc it's under gems 😅 thanks

[cedar kernel]

outlaws way to wait for a group

[fluid meadow]

bro what can do if dying more times cause of freezes than in old ks before

[quaint mauve]

is that myth track or hero antenna

[waxen scarab]

hero

[quaint mauve]

lowkey probably still better than the rest of the vault

[waxen scarab]

i think im gonna take the chest

mine is champion

[quaint mauve]

ah that’s good too

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen scarab]

nvm no catalyst this weeek

[vivid vessel]

what the helly

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[earnest skiff]

Hey there! Returning player from DF here. Got a couple of questions/problems that hopefully someone can help me with:

1. Is KS a higher priority than Vanish if you play Fatebound or only playing Trickster?

2. Do you only enter Stealth if AR is already active or can you enter it if you know that the first Between the Eyes will refund enough Cooldown to instantly use AR?

3. Is there a way to add KS into the RtB Weakaura? Not used to playing with it hence regularly forgetting to press it and a reminder would be nice ^^' If so is there a guide on how to do so?

4. May sound dumb but i have huge problems with keeping track of my position in big pulls. I regularly attack stuff behind me/slightly out of range because i cant quiet tell where my character and my target are (playing a dwarf doesn't help this either). Back when acrobatic strikes gave attack range i usually stood slightly outside the pack and called it a day but now i just get lost. Is there anything that could help with that?

Thanks in advance!

[torpid fiber]

if you find a good solution to 4 let me know

[hasty warren]

I use wa that put green cross on my character

[torpid fiber]

Tbh the issue for me is more I lose track of my target

I know intuitively where I am, but my target has a different location to their nameplate relative to my character

[cedar kernel]

we sticked

[hasty warren]

ye same, when mobs are moved it's hard sometimes

[quiet root]

any ecodome lizard enjoyers?

[lime lake]

lizard

[jolly geyser]

[earnest skiff]

Yeah kinda same, you put it a bit better than i did 😅

[torpid fiber]

I have a weakaura that yells at me if I'm out of melee range, I just wish there was one that did the same if the enemy is behind me

[cedar kernel]

lets try it

FB IN DAWNBORKER

[jolly geyser]

[hasty warren]

o7

[hasty warren]

idk if we can track this

[cedar kernel]

[jolly geyser]

fast af boi

[hasty warren]

idk if I open my vault as outlaw or sin

myth weapon can be huge

[vivid vessel]

soon!

apparently blizz is adding that to plates

[hasty warren]

oh pog

u're cooking something

[vivid vessel]

no

blizzard is

kekw

[hasty warren]

ah ok

haven't see the info

[vivid vessel]

i mean you could prolly do something tho or

[hasty warren]

just saw nameplate stuff

[worldly shale]

good nightfall week

[wintry solar]

I got helmet

[hasty warren]

pog

[cedar kernel]

FB NOT GOOD

bc my lucky coin always fall

and and

uh

ST not good still

[worldly shale]

wym thats normal

[cedar kernel]

better than trickster but still bad

very bad

bed

bod

bud

too sad how do we save outlaw

[wintry solar]

let blizz cook for midnight

[drowsy ridge]

Add a card/poker mechanic. More gamba! /s

[wintry solar]

thats all we got left

[cedar kernel]

i need number buff for this season

sad cringe sad cringe

[reef forge]

is it really that bad on overall?

[cedar kernel]

overall medium( only trickster

but if u talk about the hard work we did compare to dmg it shows

poor

[reef forge]

thats fair enough

also ST sucks i guess so feels extra useless in m+

[cedar kernel]

[worldly shale]

i mean

[cedar kernel]

i am not crying mate thats the situation we experience rn

[worldly shale]

zac is ruining our chances fo a buff

they see him and say

oh

outlaw too good

NERF

[cedar kernel]

blizz wont tuning for M+

and now mate, the raid performance is not good in overall, the only thing we good is only cleave

and survival

[worldly shale]

im so hot btw

[cedar kernel]

me

[magic lance]

can the soul hunter's boots drop in vault?

[cedar kernel]

yea i think it can

[reef forge]

yeah and if you killed fractillus and not them it can also drop

[worldly shale]

what would a dwarf human hybrid look like

[wintry solar]

that fuckin dwarf nerd

I cant remember his name

[worldly shale]

with glasses

i know

[wintry solar]

yeah

[worldly shale]

which one

u mean

[wintry solar]

this one

[worldly shale]

step dwarf im stuck

[wintry solar]

ive yet to top that screenshot

[gaunt phoenix]

I think it was in sims for like 4 days since the 29th, but now gone

[red zinc]

The metallic grippers

[vivid vessel]

wonder if thats why prisms was simming higher for me last week hmge

[cedar kernel]

[coral onyx]

still trying to replace my week 1 footbomb trinket

[vivid vessel]

ok wtf

am confusion

or im using an apl that is trolling prism maybe idk

nah

it just

prism was litteraly simming better last time i simmed it

thats crazy or

oh this is st im stupid

dont mind me

[zinc briar]

https://gyazo.com/87084d0e49973083195c0772915617bf

[vivid vessel]

it did went from 0.7% gain to 0.4% loss

[zinc briar]

should i take the idol

or the sword

[worldly shale]

i got that same belt

in my raid slot

MAD

and the idol

[hasty warren]

id say swod, but idol is big dps gain in aoe

[wintry solar]

look at this dude aura farming

[worldly shale]

tip him over

[wintry solar]

I want upright undead

[prisma vessel]

if i craft a dagger, how much DPS would that be (my OH is 710 sword)

[hasty warren]

u can sim it my friend

[prisma vessel]

O.o you can sim crafted

?

[hasty warren]

y droptimizer

[prisma vessel]

must have skimmed the option hold on

thats awsome

ty

[long barn]

Same for me. Now cursed idol 1.5% over it.

[hasty warren]

u're welcome

[wintry solar]

I want these world quests to come back

[hasty warren]

it was fun

[vivid vessel]

there is some

in the nwe zone

[wintry solar]

really?

[vivid vessel]

they are much simpler tho

3 triangle

[wintry solar]

oh cool I didnt know

[hasty warren]

ye but not this complicated

[vivid vessel]

ye

3 shapes usually

[wintry solar]

:|

[hasty warren]

it's shape for hunter main now

[wintry solar]

well its something

im trying to get that crab mount

[hasty warren]

do we have something good to loot from timewalking this week ?

[cedar kernel]

brain storm

[zinc briar]

https://gyazo.com/87084d0e49973083195c0772915617bf

sims says that i should take idol :((((((

i have sword and dagger 720 crafted

i want to take the sword :((((((

[cedar kernel]

why dont u make a ring

but idol mate its weird to play around it

[wintry solar]

I just completed it and I feel accomplished

[sudden quail]

Has anyone simmed Adrenal Surge Clasp as an embellishment choice this tier?

[red zinc]

Idk what the math is behind percentile rankings on WCL

but it always favors aoe bosses i swear

is it just cause the relative gap on aoe is usually bigger than st?

[zinc briar]

wait, i lose dps in ST taking the sword with 3more ilvl

hahahaha

with same stats

little bit less crit

[vivid vessel]

I doubt that

Or you mean off hand

Still doubt

[mighty pivot]

yet another nightfall cape see you next week event

[gaunt phoenix]

Not this tier but last tier at best it could break even

[sudden quail]

I can't figure out the best way to sim it for me as I already have crafted embelishments

[gaunt phoenix]

In top gear, you can add it to your bags with the item search, and click the + on one of your embellished items to generate a new one without an embellishment

Then top gear will run knowing you can only pick 2 of the 3 embellishments

However you have to take damage for the belt to work, this is not modeled in simc by default

[sudden quail]

tyvm

[gaunt phoenix]

apply_debuff=1 
actions=auto_attack,damage=1,range=0,attack_speed=1.5
actions+=/auto_attack_off_hand,damage=1,range=0,attack_speed=1.5```
I believe you can stick this in Expert Mode > footer to create an enemy that deals damage you

[rotund haven]

Sim says take the nether prism but I have hero claw and sigil….take another trinket or grab one of the myth pieces?

[stiff vector]

What’s the SoH rules added to APL btw solo

Not that it prob rly does much to sim numbers, but SoH big dam no capo

[gaunt phoenix]

They're experimental changes by tobfon, not totally investigated yet

#1065730004920586350 message

Basically with sleight you could roll over exactly 2 buffs

Which i think is cursed in the opener, you could end up delaying kir a lot

After kir, if you have 2 non yellow buffs, you could roll after they pass some arbitrary duration

which is also kind of not well understood

[daring yoke]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

Would go mythic chest

[rotund haven]

Ty solo

[gaunt phoenix]

Netherprism was bugged a bit (in game)

But they fixed it yesterday

[cinder haven]

Bugged how?

[gaunt phoenix]

Not splitting damage

[cinder haven]

Ah

[gaunt phoenix]

Dealt full damage to all targets

[vivid vessel]

The damage part did too much damage

Outlaw nerf fr fr

[cinder haven]

Netherprism apl can improved for FB

It sends after gs and adr

Optimal should be before vanish I think

I tested a bit but it wouldn't beat the bis trinkets even with those changes

[lime estuary]

is screams of a forgotten sky (dimensius trinket) simbait? right now it is the highest simming trinket in the raid for me (got a normal sigil and myth seaforium)

[gaunt phoenix]

I dont think so but it does depend on kill timer

[cinder haven]

Long fight trinket i think

[gaunt phoenix]

It ramps up

[cinder haven]

Hnm

[gaunt phoenix]

An interesting thing is i ran it through some droutes and it looked good

But it doesnt love dslice

[cinder haven]

Is it debuff or buff stacking?

[gaunt phoenix]

Debuff on target iirc

[cinder haven]

Must be buff then

How could it look good in droute if it's debuff?

Makes no sense to me

Hidden buff or debuff

From what i can tell

The death explosion kinda implies debuff i guess

Could also be both

[torpid fiber]

ok the kick macro is op as fuck

what the hell

anyways got a hero chest on the first key of the week lmao

[hasty warren]

kick macro ?

[elder phoenix]

tf is the kick macro

[torpid fiber]

#showtooltip Kick
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kick
/targetlasttarget

the one zac talked about

[elder phoenix]

What does it do

[torpid fiber]

it's like. yeah you still have to have your normal kick bound but also this makes it so much easier

[elder phoenix]

like why is it "op"

[old gull]

I just feel like combo building is so slow and my parse just shit all the time. Do I need more crit or what

[elder phoenix]

I think this is the same macro from mythic raz right?

[torpid fiber]

uses tab targeting logic to make it so you kick the mob that is the first in being tab targeted, and tab target prios casters and i suspect though i'm not 100% important casts

[quaint mauve]

bro

i need to just like stick to wow

[torpid fiber]

silksong in 26 hours

[quaint mauve]

i was arguing with someone on a roblox mmo for 2 hours

[torpid fiber]

anyways got 4p pog

[gaunt phoenix]

[true cove]

crazy sentence

[torpid fiber]

got a hero chest off of my first key of the week

[vivid vessel]

No it's a buff

[gaunt phoenix]

eh?

[vivid vessel]

But it need long fight timers since it start at 0

The ramping up

Takes 3 min to get full

So theoricaly it's the same as if you had a trinket with 3 min cd that went on cd on the start of the key

That's why it need long fights

[quaint mauve]

nah you don’t understand

[vivid vessel]

It's probably really good if you sim droute

Of 3 min

30

[gaunt phoenix]

it fires different void people depending on stack

idk

this is droute

[vivid vessel]

Oh you are talking about that

I thought prism

Mb cuh

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

[cinder haven]

3.9% is not enough for no agi trinket surely

[tame quail]

Hi Outlaws, I have a question 🙂 for me Fatebound KiR sims like 2.5% higher than Trickster KiR for Dungeon Slice, should I still stick to Trickster, or what is the recommendation?

[true cove]

The thing is i don't think i want to.

[quaint mauve]

dungeon slice sim has more ST in it

that’s why, fb is huge aoe loss in m+

[cinder haven]

Both are ok to play imo

[gaunt phoenix]

some people are playing fatebound experimentally

[cinder haven]

Trickster will be more overall

Fb more prio/st

[gaunt phoenix]

well maybe in dawnbreaker and streets it is not

[cinder haven]

Possibly

[quaint mauve]

i run fb in streets and db

just bc

there’s no like

[thin pasture]

Is it a weapon take from the vault here?

[quaint mauve]

adds

[thin pasture]

cause imma craft another weapon

[gaunt phoenix]

you need to be aware of the ghostly strike tech though

[cinder haven]

I run FB everywhere atm but that's probably not the right choice

[quaint mauve]

good weapon

[thin pasture]

my thoughts as well

just wanted to double check

[tame quail]

Thanks guys for the explanation, then I'll go with Trickster for the majority of dungeons, even less Tricks of the Trade casting ^^

[quaint mauve]

is it not a loss on prio targets?

i haven’t tested it in keys that actually matter

[cinder haven]

Both lose prio as you add more targets

[quaint mauve]

only in 12s

[cinder haven]

FB loses more but from a higher starting point

[jolly geyser]

ye

[cinder haven]

And ends up higher in the end

[quaint mauve]

interesting

[cinder haven]

Frustrating that we lose prio with added targets when others gain a lot

But it is what it is

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont need stats other than the haste breakpoint. generally hard to say what's wrong

tbh i struggle with 1FTH parsing in raid, fatebound is smooth though

[quaint mauve]

eh i play with a dh so i need to like pad as hard as possible to take away his funnel

so i can flex dps charts

[true cove]

The AR +GS macro from vanish or ?

[quaint mauve]

yes and new vanish rule

[old gull]

Sometimes I’m 95+, others I’m in the 70s and feel like I just can’t build combos fast enough

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, you need to consciously send vanish with GS, open with GS from stealth, hold GS if you are about to restealth

it's kind of more annoying than trickster im ngl

[true cove]

Yea can imagine

[quaint mauve]

i actually like it more than coup mini game

personally

[old gull]

I hate that tbh, rofl idk I got so used to ho

[quaint mauve]

but i can’t stand not having 1 hour tricks

i wonder how many times i’ve said that :p

just replace the third hero talent on left side of fb tree

and make it 1 hr tricks

problem solved

outlaw fixed

[true cove]

or its just in the class tree

next xpac

[quaint mauve]

or just make it baseline

:p

[true cove]

or that ig but then would be kinda unfair to all the others

like hunters but tbf they dont even spec into it or press it if they have it half the time

so don't think they'd care

[quaint mauve]

hunters atleast have time to react

if like they pull aggro

we just insta flop

[quaint mauve]

my shadow knight on roblox matters bro…

i’m being denied my min maxxing

the only person selling my BiS weapon is charging actual money

he wants 800$ usd… for a roblox mmo item…

[true cove]

stop playing roblox

[quaint mauve]

what else would i do

when my healer doesn’t dispel stun in floodgate

it’s either roblox or substance abuse man

there’s no middle ground here

[jolly geyser]

do both

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-big-brain-wojak-rswp-rocketswap-space-rocket-gif-24451768

[tawny meteor]

Is the stone idol worth playing with ? Got myth in the chest

[true cove]

just cloak :)

[tawny meteor]

W mastery hands and another shit mastery item

[quiet root]

that was exactly my vault and i took the idol

[gaunt phoenix]

idol pretty dope in keys

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[thorn vine]

A question on what to craft. Since i am going to play out/sub on my rogue, what should i craft that is going to be good for both spec? i was thinking of a crit/vers ring (i know sub prefer mastery)

[quaint mauve]

personally i wouldn’t craft ring bc no main stat

[tawny meteor]

Do you have to cast the idol ? Or it cast while you do a other thing

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a cast

[tawny meteor]

Mmh

[quaint mauve]

it’s like

1.5 globals no?

[true cove]

tbf i didn't even know that shit stunned untill early this season when i got stunned by that shit

[thorn vine]

mh, okay okay

[quaint mauve]

my healer said the same thing in my 14…

we deadass wiped twice to the jumpstarter pack

and we didn’t time by 2 minutes

[true cove]

he was eating frontals or what

or just the aoe

[quaint mauve]

he got stunned and died on the first wipe

and then he ate a frontal on the second wipe

whatever though it was a good key before that

and his highest floodgate was a 9

so he did way better than expected

he’s gonna go into his next floodgate and pump

[sonic bluff]

I checked top rated Outlaw Rogues on warcraftlogs and I see that almost all of them are using crafted ring with Vers/Crit. How come it's not a Vers/Haste?

[quaint mauve]

you only want 19.04% haste on KiR build

anything past that is unnecessary

[gaunt phoenix]

you need 19% haste, most people have the tazavesh ring

you dont necessarily need 2 haste rings to get this

but as long as you get 19% haste somehow there is literally no difference

[quaint mauve]

hmmm my best simming craft is belt

ig i have to say goodbye to delve belt

[thorn vine]

so you think a dagger offhand would be better?

[keen island]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

if you’re multi speccing i think so

i have a dagger oh

[thorn vine]

thanks

[hasty warren]

u have 2 binds for kick on only this macro ?

[torpid fiber]

I have kick on two seperate hotbar slots, one a mouseover/focus macro and one this, ye

[jolly geyser]

works with kidney also

[quaint mauve]

needing to press kidney

kills my soul

[jolly geyser]

[torpid fiber]

Kidney it might snap onto a cast before the CC target would be my worry

[quaint mauve]

what is the exact option in player

plater

that lets me know i kicked something

right now the cast just goes away for me without any like uhhhhh idk the word

and i can’t tell if im missing my kicks

[coral onyx]

I just confirm by the M+ WA interrupt tracker

[granite merlin]

Is 19% after flask even?

[coral onyx]

It shows missed/confirmed/available kicks for the entire party

https://wago.io/MInterruptTracker

[granite merlin]

What should my expected overall be around with 4pc and optimized stats in 10-12s 708 GS. I have claw and seaforium and I’m only pulling around 4.9-5.4 million and that seems low as hell my hunter friend and warlock friend are doing like 6.3-7.1 million

I know it’s arbitrary but I’m trying to figure out if it’s me playing bad

[bright ferry]

Is this ok if i'm at 21% haste on KIR?

[quaint mauve]

should be, id want to get it with gear though

so you can just vers flask

[covert kestrel]

yeah its not the end of the world

[quaint mauve]

ty

[coral onyx]

but otherwise i think it's the option cast bar > cast bar appearance > show interrupt author

[covert kestrel]

just any haste over the cap of 19.whatever is our lowest prio, but as your gear changes it will be ok

[inner sky]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

that’s the weird thing though

i have that checked

am i not supposed to?

[coral onyx]

i would have guessed that to work but i dont use it so i have it unchecked

no idea then

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you should be able to do around the 6-7m range

[random void]

How does exactly this works?

[gaunt phoenix]

its tab target basically

tab target favors casters

so it tabs, kicks, and returns

[hybrid crown]

It somehow favors mobs currently casting

[gaunt phoenix]

that's just how tab target works

[hybrid crown]

I do that too works on my shaman even

[torpid fiber]

It's like actually crazy tech given how much it seems like a stupid idea

[hybrid crown]

I think my shaman tab target will try to target mobs with purge-able buffs too tho

[arctic hollow]

Hello, I have a couple questions.
First about the opening macro, why dont we macro Roll the Bones along the cancelaura + gostly + AR ?
Second, if I misplay and totally stall in a raid fight, AR drops, bad rolls, no opportunity procs, is it worth to Vanish to get AR quicker and start the engine again ?

[hybrid crown]

Do you still use that on pulls like the last trash in gambit

With the rune whatever that one shots the group vs the bolt that does nothing, like does this cause you to miss more important casts

[quaint mauve]

you want to roll after you press the macro

bc of loaded dice

and if you’re using the macro for your vanishes when adr and gs overlap

you don’t always wanna roll

[arctic hollow]

Will the spell order mess up even if Roll th Bones is at the end of the macro /

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[arctic hollow]

Ah right, it only works for opening and we use it in fight too, that makes sense

[random void]

So you are attacking mob, then tab, use this macro and then it switch to previous target? Or I am lost here

[gaunt phoenix]

no you attack mob and hit macro

the macro tabs

and kicks

and instantly returns to your main target

so you dont "see" a target switch

[quaint mauve]

that seems so op

[gaunt phoenix]

is it

maybe if 1 mob is casting

[quaint mauve]

for my pea brain yeah

[random void]

So this is switching mob automatically 🤔

It’s great then

[quaint mauve]

you’d obv want a different actual kick bind for bigger prio casts

[arctic hollow]

The kick macro always confused me too, does it always chose a target that casts, does it prioritise ? I dont trust the machine nd mouseover kick

[quaint mauve]

but it’s good qol

[random void]

Need to test it out

[quaint mauve]

tab targeting prios casting targets

and the macro is doing just that

[random void]

Any other useful macros for outlaw?

[arctic hollow]

Oh alright, i'll keep the auto one on a different key then, thanks

[frank bane]

I use that and a kick WA that says "Nice Kick and Cock bro!" every time I successfully interrupt.

[inner sky]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[inner sky]

!macros

[covert kestrel]

the only macros we really use are in the pins for the fatebound single target build

[inner sky]

Ya just wanted to see if any others were listed, i still Had GS macros to Dispatch lol

[granite merlin]

So people are playing fatebound in dungeons? Is it competitive?

[inner sky]

Just swapped to Outlaw from Sin, its been a bit

[toxic gate]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cedar kernel]

sometimes this one has issue when u kick before the bar become finish

[indigo token]

good morning outlaws

[dusty horizon]

I did that yesterday…did raid and on break swapped everything back lol 😂 the rng gods were not on my side

[copper owl]

Does it make sense to send your 2nd Coup with only a few combo points? I've been messing around with Hekili getting used to the spec again and it seems to suggest that, maybe because it already acts as if it's 5+ combo points? I Figure it gets me into more vanishes faster? but also just feels weird sending a finisher at 2 visible combo points

[gaunt phoenix]

you send it early if you have to press SS

[covert kestrel]

only if you have no way to build cp without SS

[gaunt phoenix]

to not waste potential unseen blades

[copper owl]

ahh okay that makes sense

[inner sky]

Ya did two M+ (13-14) last night and was not impressed lol, may need to play better, but i was around 2mil lower than i would have been sin

[gaunt phoenix]

but you would AR/BF/GS/Opportunity if available

[covert kestrel]

sin is good and outlaw requires a lot of practice to be optimal, esp if youve not played in a while imo

[dusty horizon]

M+ I was actually blasting. It was raid that screwed me.

[random void]

I think hekeli works pretty well with outlaw

[torpid fiber]

it should, yeah

[covert kestrel]

yeah if youre a COWARD

[quaint mauve]

if u use hekili

[torpid fiber]

Fuck I forgot to make my rtb wa glow red

[quaint mauve]

i lose a bit of respect for you

[inner sky]

I know it decently well, ive pushed on Outlaw a few seasons, but possible i wasnt getting full value from Subturfuge

[copper owl]

it doesn't seeem to load as fast as just watching my weak auras (particularly during subterfuge BtE spam) so I want to stop using it ASAP because it delays actions a bit

[inner sky]

I was 100% not using RTB optimally though

[random void]

I mean if you are playing for a week it’s good option to get use to rotation

[vivid vessel]

You can kinda aim and shit

Since it's tab target

It tabs to the mob in the center of your screen

But favors caster castings

It become weird when you have a bunch of caster mobs tho true true

But it's also kinda cool how you can have your whole group use that macro

And you can kick all at the same time without overlapping

For stuffs like 2nd boss dawn adds for example

[frank finch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2D4WqrnyHYg61pQd?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=11

did i miss a new cook

how so many coins

[gaunt phoenix]

noob

[vivid vessel]

Cook is rolling 3 5 buffs in a row

[covert kestrel]

yes but also the longer you play with it, often the harder it is to break the habit. I found that learning classes was easier if I just took the training wheels off quicker

[vivid vessel]

Soh does help that tho

But that's still quite lucky

[gaunt phoenix]

skenga is in tune with tc cooks before they go live

he is trying to sync AR GS a little more than the established rules

[frank finch]

😯

[gaunt phoenix]

he also had true bearing the entire pull

so like every other vanish was with AR GS

[vivid vessel]

Well playing outlaw rogue without following the TC cooks

[frank finch]

do i need to allow pings from tc ouitlaw

fuck

[vivid vessel]

I sure hope everyone is doing coin shit by now

Otherwise you ain't a real outlaw fr fr

[torpid fiber]

what's even the point of playing outlaw if you're not terminally addicted to getting every 0.1% dps

[vivid vessel]

You need to read every single message in there ye

[gaunt phoenix]

it's kind of hard ngl

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

at least fatebound is interesting

now

[vivid vessel]

Ye

I didn't do it very well the first time

[frank finch]

wym hard

[random stirrup]

The macro stuff is a bit cringe

[vivid vessel]

I should play it in keys maybe

[grave carbon]

why does prism sim so high
am i fuckin up some settings?

[vivid vessel]

To get used to it

[frank finch]

vanish > gs

[vivid vessel]

I play it once a week or reclear so

[frank finch]

vanish ar gs

talent soh no

w

what else

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just very easy to slam AR without being cognizant of vanish

and then you're screwed

[frank finch]

wait

[gaunt phoenix]

unless they sync again

[frank finch]

is skenga holding ar for vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

within reason

[frank finch]

the rtb rules r the same tho right

[torpid fiber]

this is a certified "optimise another 3% dps out of nowhere" outlaw season, isn't it lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

not with sleight

[frank finch]

ah fuck

[gaunt phoenix]

This is extra sleight cooks and extra AR GS cooks

Literally printing dps

+25%

[random stirrup]

sandbagging rogues smh my head

[vivid vessel]

+30% I heard

[frank finch]

i got the ar gs cook down pretty good i think

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[frank finch]

whats the rtb rules now

with soh

[vivid vessel]

Also certified abusing bugs again

As always

[gaunt phoenix]

@vernal fjord nice pull

[vivid vessel]

Imagine playing outlaw and not abusing bugs

[torpid fiber]

I don't count coin bug, they should have just given us a way to get to 7 coins consistently and we might never have discovered it

[vivid vessel]

Ok I'm getting r1 again in a few weeks

Maybe not this reset

I'm.holding crests for after reclear

For prog upgrades

[random stirrup]

I should have this week

[vivid vessel]

Then I get all r1s

[copper owl]

what's the "bug"?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's looking like rolling over exactly 2 buffs but i dont like it

Also after kir if you only have 2 buffs below container then you can roll a bit early

[torpid fiber]

There's a bunch of fucked up behaviours with fatebound if you use macros to execute two abilities on the same server tick

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not particularly well understood

[frank finch]

so if 2 buffs or less no mater what bufs u have roll until u get 5

[gaunt phoenix]

hence they are not done changes

[frank finch]

time to hit the dummies for 5 hours

[cinder haven]

We are basically subtlety with these cooks

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean these sleight cooks prolly didnt matter