outlaw

[vivid vessel]

if you dont have 2 embel

[keen belfry]

what about uppgrade?

[vivid vessel]

but you can craft a hc one

[glass mortar]

myth warpclaw is 0.5% ahead of my 704 trinkets

[keen belfry]

ooo

i could craft heroic wrists

[vivid vessel]

waht i did is craft a hc neck

and for now i dont need to upgrade

till i dont have anything to upgrade

mtyuhic items

[keen belfry]

ok i think i craft mythic bracers and just max my helm + boots maybe?

i like my boots

would be cool to see 710

[fathom bramble]

yeah the damage loss is kind of nonsense, but it's also very close to what we would expect from just doing 20% fewer casts

[glass mortar]

actually thats true

it should be more then 20% dps loss for 20% casts since you are also churning less cdr

[fathom bramble]

the real take away to me is just that you very much are nearly gcd capped with literally 0 adr uptime

[glass mortar]

which is strange because it does not feel that way

when adr falls off on dimi and im slamming the boss

i am afk between SS casts

[fathom bramble]

I did make some minimal apl changes just to make that actually function though

[cinder haven]

That sounds very strange

[glass mortar]

like

turbo afk

[fathom bramble]

since otherwise it wouldn't cast certain things at all

idk go try on a dummy

/cancelaura AR on every AR press

play normally otherwise

[cinder haven]

I do think players very easily pick up slight variations in gcd cadence

[glass mortar]

i went and hit a dummy for 30s and in the very first 30s of playing with no adr i had 5 seconds of waiting for SS casts

[cinder haven]

And that it feels worse than it is

[glass mortar]

happened basically everytime i cast ghostly

idk why it feels so much more shit ingame

[wintry solar]

Conditioned

[fathom bramble]

I mean we get a lot of energy per second without adr

[glass mortar]

but this is also a 10k iteration average

[gaunt phoenix]

turn off lust'

[fathom bramble]

good point ^

[glass mortar]

so what its basically saying is with average rng and no adr u can still proc loop

[fathom bramble]

though lust is only there for 40 seconds of a 5 minute sim

[fading hatch]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[glass mortar]

i wonder how much downtime a lower dps slice of that sim stack might have

with no adr

[gaunt phoenix]

fwiw i tried to see if sim is wrong about energy stuff a bit ago

turned off ADR, lust, buried treasure, ff

and natural regen from haste looked correct

ff proc rate looks correct

[glass mortar]

theres probably a little confirmation bias here as well

like alot of the time u drop adr without a fight forcing it off

it means ur lowrolling

and of course u run out of energy when ur lowrolling

u run out of energy IN adr when ur turbo lowrolling

[fathom bramble]

I think the highest possible wait time theoretically available for SS is 2 seconds

unless you cast GS while waiting on energy to extend it

[cinder haven]

Why does gs cost energy again?

[fathom bramble]

like if you get straight to 0 you get 1 second of GCD(~16 energy regen) and then 2 seconds of realtime(~32 energy regen)

[fading hatch]

Does loaded dice also increase the chance of 5 buff or does it just move the 1 buff chance into 2?

[fathom bramble]

assuming literally no procs and 0 starting energy

[gaunt phoenix]

it moves 1 buff into 2

[fathom bramble]

which should be incredibly unlikely

[gaunt phoenix]

Sleight of hand increases 5 buff chance

by 25% of the tooltip

the other 75% goes to 2 buff chance

[cinder haven]

Btw solo, soh isnt really beating the vers talent still

[gaunt phoenix]

For trickster i know

[cinder haven]

On par basically

For fb as well for me now

Idk if something changed

For fb pure st its good

Because you drop hh instead

[pure folio]

@cinder haven what build are u playing for M+ FB

i tried it last night

it didnt feel good..

[cinder haven]

Basically same as trickster

1 fth

[fathom bramble]

do you get a no energy error if you try to queue ss during your spellqueuewindow before you have enough energy to cast it

[pure folio]

I thought there was talk about going both loaded dice and sleight

potentially dropping KS too

[cinder haven]

Nah not dropping ks

I do play soh + ld currently

But it needs other rules

[fathom bramble]

not having enough energy does interfere with spellqueueing even if you would have enough when the spell will fire 🤔

[wintry solar]

Besides the ones you linked the other day?

[fathom bramble]

this might be a meaningful part of why it feels so bad

without being as bad

[vivid vessel]

hm

remove energy then

im convinced

[cinder haven]

Those are the best for now, but will probably change

[cinder haven]

Sounds reasonable

[keen belfry]

this is clean @vivid vessel

[fading hatch]

What do you drop for it? The versa talent?

[gaunt phoenix]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mmmmmhjmmh

[cinder haven]

Yeah for m+ build i do

[gaunt phoenix]

using sleight is experimental rn

[fathom bramble]

I guess that means if you theoretically have just barely enough energy to play the game then it's going to feel dramatically worse

[cinder haven]

But tbh even with apl changes its just on par

[fathom bramble]

and the sim would never notice or care

[cinder haven]

Just messing around for fun

[fading hatch]

I respect the cook

[keen belfry]

solo sleight is op

needs nerf

[cinder haven]

Especially with high latency

I just wanted the natty 5 rolls back

[glass mortar]

i took the 723 mh and now my haste is ruined again

[vivid vessel]

why does it matter tho

[wintry solar]

Yeah I was thinking that spamming for the 2 buffs just ain't the same

[vivid vessel]

if you would send your gcd earlier

[cinder haven]

Maybe we find rtb rules to make soh really worth it, mby not

[vivid vessel]

you would just have no energy anyway for the next gcd

or

[fathom bramble]

it matters because the spell isn't queueing when it 'feels' like it should

making the low energy feel worse than it actually is

or perhaps performing worse than it is since you can't physically cast the spell the moment it is ready

[hasty warren]

Guys, I have a conflict why my guild mates. We dsisn't kill Dimensius HM, need stuff (low dps and heal) and offis want to skip HM for MM prog.
My argument is that if we do HM reclear we have more chances to drop BIS item because we don't have to win roll agains PUGS. But off staff is arguig that going separately in PUGS is better chance to loot BIS because more drop.
I'm pretty sure I'm right and they're wrong, but can I have ur thoughs about that ?

[vapid sundial]

You are fighting vs 20 + other pugs to get your gear

[proven ocean]

@bleak egret

[vapid sundial]

The drop rates dont change bc you are in a pug

[proven ocean]

Fuck

@vivid vessel

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry how is soh going

[hasty warren]

there argument is that more run is more loot

[proven ocean]

Try typing fifty ten hull then translate to french and hear what the robot says in google translate

@vivid vessel

[vapid sundial]

Yeah but you are less likely to get the loot doing a run

[keen belfry]

i have 5 buffs

[quaint mauve]

sooooooooo

[glass mortar]

ur fighting 20 pugs to get the gear and half of them are rolling and dont even need it or have better

but are needing anyway because they can

[quaint mauve]

ru just losing thieves vers?

[vapid sundial]

Whoever said to do pugs

[hasty warren]

I agree

[vapid sundial]

is cooked

like

actually burnt

throw them out the window

[keen belfry]

thoughts??

[glass mortar]

i mean u dont really need herioc dimi loot unless ur raid is missing 4sets

[keen belfry]

mhm

[quaint mauve]

i liked soh when i was doing fb keys

[fluid meadow]

just inv some pug for reclear

[vapid sundial]

The only time i could see

[glass mortar]

should kill it at least once to put in vaults tho

[vapid sundial]

is never

[quaint mauve]

and then i got told it doesn’t do anything on trickster

[keen belfry]

@glass mortar

[bronze wadi]

wait why are you tracking passive trinkets

[quaint mauve]

but i’m probably gonna start running it

[glass mortar]

whatr

why r u pinging me with butchered uis

[keen belfry]

i just have 2 trinket icon aura triggggger

[vapid sundial]

@glass mortar

[cinder haven]

It doesn’t really om FB either

[glass mortar]

what

[vapid sundial]

@vivid vessel zac ping

[fading hatch]

I liked it until i realised the number of charges is in different places for vanish and grappling

[keen belfry]

oooo ty

ill fix

[vapid sundial]

luxthos zac fix is teh way

no other weak aura exists

[jovial basalt]

so i noticed our bis has two crafted rings

how is that possible?

[tired ice]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[quaint mauve]

is 3% vers that big that most run it over like qol for buffs?

:p

[vapid sundial]

bc they arent unique

[glass mortar]

its because the mods in here are too cowardly to put a BoE in the bis list

buy a ring u brokies

(its me im the brokie)

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[fathom whale]

I think people just associate it as a sub button

[quaint wharf]

ive started gearing for sub

its doomed

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/wideboink-cat-boink-cat-boink-gif-4293569947606972768

[bronze wadi]

i wish secondaries werent so fucked with swapping from outlaw to sub or ass

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

ALERT

i only have 6mil left gg

[stiff vector]

I hate grappling hook

fucking bugged piece of crap

[proper veldt]

!!

myth vers ring here we come

[scarlet drum]

Any thoughts? Can't use helm till next week with catalyst charge. Sim says helm is better overall, but I could use dagger for offspec.

[covert kestrel]

pretty much exactly what the sim says, helm will be long term investment but if youre playing any assa/sub then mythic dagger is good, but offhand is a very low priority upgrade for any dual wield spec

[scarlet drum]

Ahh okay thanks 🙂

[hybrid crown]

can someone spot check me here and do a sim compare of pocket grenades vs elemental focusing lens

I am getting that grenades are like slightly better for ST, but like the focusing lens they lose very slightly in d slice due to secondary being better for aoe. like .2%

well, just one grenade. I cant easily swap out a ring for my sim with a leather item to sim a second one

[granite merlin]

Ugh got the reshi proc boots hero and mythic gloves long play is gloves but dps play is boots

Then again I’m never getting those boots mythic lol

[brave lagoon]

sims still say keep the veteran ring send help

[random stirrup]

take the trinket and craft a ring/neck to fix your gluttonous need for haste

[brave lagoon]

yeah recrafting ring is on this week's todo list, it's just insane I haven't found a single ring worth replacing this one over yet

it's either mythic idol or hero track antenna, I feel I should take the antenna but I feel bad taking a hero track item in vault

[strong halo]

I’m using crit haste ring

It hurts

Might craft ring tho

[stiff vector]

welp snagged at least a normal prism to go with heroic araz, guess im officially ready for s ub prison o7

[glass mortar]

streets feels like dimi

i dont want to play this key anymore this season i think

[jolly geyser]

I have never liked streets

[glass mortar]

theres so much st i feel like a dumpsterfire on these bosses

[craggy barn]

strees has been and always will be awful

[stiff vector]

ye streets is so anti fun, especially on outlaw

[jolly geyser]

its lower kara lvls of awful,some people know

[craggy barn]

bleh

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix @cinder haven

i swear

soh is op

no cap

im 100% certain i do much more dam no capo

[jolly geyser]

ho return?

[vivid vessel]

h

[glass mortar]

soh?

[vivid vessel]

sleight

[craggy barn]

well ofc ud do more damage without capo

capo is last season ilvl

maybe ur just high rolling zac

[torpid fiber]

I love streets as a dungeon aesthetically and I like a lot of the trash but yeah so many of the bosses are so ass for us this season

[glass mortar]

sleight....

[craggy barn]

bro

the core hounds

dont drop combat quickly after death

how oculd u like the trash in this dungoen

[brave lagoon]

yeah I want to gouge my eyeballs out everytime

[craggy barn]

everything about this place is garbage

[torpid fiber]

iirc I just hit meld

[hybrid crown]

oh I was wrong I just did my gems wrong. on the pocket grenade topic

I just want them to be good

[craggy barn]

bro requiring a racial to get out of combat is fucking stupid

[torpid fiber]

Yeah but I'm a nelf

So nelf privilege

[craggy barn]

1st boss silences and is dumb
menagerie is just bleh
mail room is mechanics constantly
oasis is giga gimick 100% downtime
last boss is super frequent time away from the boss bc teleport bullshit
every trash pack is annoying and theres a stupid mini boss

[brave lagoon]

streets is dropping adr simulator

[torpid fiber]

we got crazy timing on the boss last night in a pisslow key and he teleported at the exact same time we were taking a portal to dodge a wave and it was 0 downtime

[jolly geyser]

I rather do streets on my pala

[torpid fiber]

Part of it is that I just really like the aesthetics of streets tbf

[craggy barn]

just go to karesh

and sit there

same thing

[torpid fiber]

It's not the same

[jolly geyser]

less annoying?

[torpid fiber]

Tbh I think streets would be playable if we didn't have such dogshit prio this season

Like surely the dungeon with consistent low target cleave should be good for outlaw

[frail veldt]

damnt man why do pugs never have monks

[violet ferry]

Wow this is bad.
Should I just take tokens?

[torpid fiber]

Could be worth taking the lily in case you ever want to play sin ig? idk

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[frail veldt]

does anyone know why tanks are allergic to moving loomithar so not every single melee in the group has to stand in the goop?

[jolly geyser]

they look at their feet

[brave lagoon]

tanks have to do stuff????

[frail veldt]

they cant hear dbm beeping at them the whole time?

[jolly geyser]

[frail veldt]

every single group im in every dps is yelling at the tank to "MOVE MOVE THE BOSS"

and they just drool on their keyboards and do nothing

[torpid fiber]

is this a pug issue or a child issue

pug issue its that pug tanks aren't actually on average better than pug dps

[frail veldt]

literally raid warnings going off and everything rofl

[raven canopy]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[brave lagoon]

oh wtf if you KS on loomithar while the invuln adds are close to the boss they eat 75% of the ticks

[proper veldt]

[vivid vessel]

waht about fatebound

[proper veldt]

Lmfao negative funnel because of immune adds

Imagine

[dawn talon]

streets is rly fun if you're a mage

[peak holly]

Warpclaw still huge right?

[gaunt phoenix]

meh

i'd rather M chest

[vivid vessel]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24223311

banger wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

nameplates

[fierce trout]

Deleting all my addons

[gaunt phoenix]

just as blizzard intends it

[fierce trout]

We shall see

[vivid vessel]

eh ok nothing new

[torpid fiber]

I'm hoping mostly that we can colour nameplates tbh

[random stirrup]

why did they pick the NW guy as an example

jumpscare

[glass mortar]

zac

[frank finch]

prolly cuz they been working on it since that was in the rotation

[glass mortar]

this macro

is so op

wtf

im padding every dungeon interupt overall

[frank finch]

wat macro

oh the auto kick

[frail veldt]

LOL no way

[frail veldt]

but it tracks accuracy

[glass mortar]

wdym

im kicking shit im just not kicking IMPORTANT shit

[frail veldt]

it tracks how many kicks were successful....

[glass mortar]

🫡

[frail veldt]

oh

[glass mortar]

thats what i mean by padding

[frail veldt]

how do you have a macro doing htat

wdym

[glass mortar]

thats what the macro does

[frail veldt]

you mean just pressing kick

[glass mortar]

no

[frank finch]

it does kick important stuff tho

[frail veldt]

WAIT

[glass mortar]

pressing the macro almost on cd

[frail veldt]

THEY BROUGHT IT BACK?

[glass mortar]

it kicks whatever cast is closest

[frail veldt]

the macro that checks for casting

[glass mortar]

it might be important

no

[frail veldt]

im confused

[glass mortar]

its literally just a fancy tab target macro

[torpid fiber]

it's

/cleartarget
/nexttarget
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget

Iirc

[frail veldt]

well yeah but how would it know a mob is casting

[glass mortar]

tab incentivizes targets that are casting

and has for years

[frail veldt]

ooooooooooooooooh

[glass mortar]

apparently

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

thats insane

I had no idea

thats op

wtf

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[torpid fiber]

Yeah I need to set it up

[vivid vessel]

you there

[frail veldt]

thats so useful actually

im def putting that on my bars

wtf

thats just striaght up useful

[fierce trout]

I just target the colored nameplate from my plater profile and then press my mouse button thats bound to kick when DBM yells at me to interrupt 👍

[torpid fiber]

I haven't used my Gouge bind for anything even though it's been years since we had it, so I might throw it there

[glass mortar]

i copied zacs yea

#showtooltip Kick
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] Kick
/targetlasttarget

this thingy

anytime theres any cast just press it no thought

its so good

now i have no idea what shit is important to kick in these keys yet

[frank finch]

can someone lend me 9m gold to buy an entropy ring

[glass mortar]

but my overall kick stat is

👌

[fierce trout]

No

[frank finch]

[frail veldt]

people are paying that?

[frank finch]

there only 2 ring boes up

[frail veldt]

thats like 720$ of tokens

[frank finch]

those r the prices

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx5Z944QjY1Xkh_aritRXoOw4KPRYJ8N2y?si=Y650Wy7Ew-6SFWvf guys, thoughts?

[frail veldt]

your tricks is down

you playing fb or something?

oh nvm I see the UB tracker

why your tricks down lol

[vivid vessel]

you blind or what

[craggy barn]

bc they arent taking damage so it must be safe

gdi

stupid discord

[vivid vessel]

but the thing is

they dont have any agro

so it works like new mobs

if you go into a pack

and just bf from stelath

you will get meleed

im unfortunate to be the first damage event on all of these spiders

so i get the first melee

[craggy barn]

evasion was up

[vivid vessel]

ye i should have evasioned

[craggy barn]

yuh

[vivid vessel]

cringe af mob tho

[craggy barn]

zac

what did u change

in ur gen ui thing

oh wai tnmv

some of the shit i stole from u is marked as having an update

[vivid vessel]

[craggy barn]

nah this thing thinks i have ur rogue pack

[proper veldt]

Yeah

Happened to me everytime I ran ara kara this season

The +18 I did it crit me for like 6 mil twice in a row just two swings

[keen belfry]

i just did a arakara where i was numyber 1 damage to first miniboss

lets say that pull lasted too long

[proper veldt]

I literally hold evasion for when those adds spawn rn

[quaint mauve]

hmmm do i go

soh ST

[gaunt phoenix]

can try it

[quaint mauve]

i will report back

[proper veldt]

The melees crit too

[vivid vessel]

gg

[frail veldt]

idk

is it like hidden from there?

[vivid vessel]

?

check before i die lol

idk if you are trolling or not haha

[frail veldt]

LOL

im trolling

[vivid vessel]

why are oyu checking when im dead

[frail veldt]

my b

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

cuz your ui is so unfamiliar to me I can barely tell when youre dead

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

I didnt see the release thing

so I was confused

[vivid vessel]

ye

0%

when health is at 0% or less generally

you ded

[proper veldt]

No wae

[frail veldt]

so is this just bad rng or standing in wrong spot or what

sorry im like mid raid pulls

[vivid vessel]

bad rng

they have no agro

they will melee the firstr thing that get agro

so

bf ticks

[frail veldt]

ah

[vivid vessel]

ticks often

especially since i was ksing

[misty bridge]

Does Preemptive Maneuver increase the elusiveness talent as well?

[vivid vessel]

whats that

[misty bridge]

oops

that was meant for pvp, my bad

[vivid vessel]

oh

[marble meteor]

is screams of a forgotten sky worth testing in any scenario?

[gaunt phoenix]

possibly, i ran it through some droutes and it seems similar to other trinkets

[high parrot]

if you have 2 vanish charges and a coup ready is it optimal to vanish and coup during subterfuge

[gaunt phoenix]

depends on how much the on death thing happens i guess

[compact narwhal]

quick question, ik very basic but just want to make sure i understand properly. you reroll when buffs are yellow yes? bc you wont roll off them. Then, what are the indicators for red/blue. i understand blue cto but do you just roll over those when rtb is available w/ loaded dice?

[quaint mauve]

am i able to gs in subterfuge as fb

[compact narwhal]

just not sure how its works bc supercharger is incorporated

[quaint mauve]

or do i need to break stealth with it

[compact narwhal]

psure youll still get 3 coins in subt, think you only break when adr+gs macro

[quaint mauve]

also can i cloak the circle that loomithar does

[compact narwhal]

yes

the intermission

[quaint mauve]

good

good good

[pearl topaz]

so no tuning.......

[frail veldt]

gotta love this

64% rp

ripppp

[gaunt phoenix]

you ever have 5 buffs below container and kir ready but you hit RTB > KIR instead of KIR > RTB

[frail veldt]

yep

so many times

the absolute worst hahahah

its bad when you hit rtb on accident

worse when you rtb THEN kir

and you just extend buried treasure and SC

[quaint mauve]

how much dmg do people do on this boss

omg

[frail veldt]

which boss?

[quaint mauve]

loom

[frail veldt]

well its pretty patchwerk and it has a damage amp at the end

[quaint mauve]

so im

terrible

[frail veldt]

youre 81st percentile

[gaunt phoenix]

noob !

[frail veldt]

I wouldnt consider that terrible lol

by any means

[quaint mauve]

if my parse isnt orange

its bad

[late swallow]

mewo be like well technically parsing above 50 means you're above average

[gaunt phoenix]

4.2m is like accidentally went in as trickster dmg

[frail veldt]

youre so smart somn

[quaint mauve]

please stop typing

ill die

[ripe ibex]

that’s so mean

[frail veldt]

solo is lethal today

jesus

[late swallow]

solo bloodlusted rn

guess he didn't like the new sabrina album?

smh

https://tenor.com/view/espresso-sabrina-carpenter-sabrina-champagne-carpenter-gif-6692144227059138447

[quaint mauve]

surely i do like 8 mill on

soulbinder

and itll make it up

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[keen belfry]

am i doing opener right

[gaunt phoenix]

i would never be mean to html

[fathom bramble]

same shit happened to me even with 1hr tricks they just deleted me randomly

[compact narwhal]

another question, is there any gs tech for trickster or send on cd?

[quaint mauve]

im not having a good day

[woven marsh]

Is outlaw just ass in dungeons or am I brain damaged?

[vivid vessel]

Both

[zinc briar]

no tunning class?

[gaunt phoenix]

Cd

[zinc briar]

😂

[restive zenith]

I've got a cool question.
Does the new killing spree count as a combo point generator and a finisher?

Or is the clever wording of "restore combo points" circumvent that.

[high parrot]

is the araz trinket anyh good

[fossil mountain]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[high parrot]

its sounds sweet but i assume its undertuned

[quaint mauve]

i did

soulbinder

with no poisons

on

.........

[gaunt phoenix]

it's still just a finisher

[torpid fiber]

I believe it isn't affected by heavy hitter from when I asked solo

They've added some new stuff for netherprism last few days

[gaunt phoenix]

forge on outlaw?

[restive zenith]

Heavy hitter, Lethality, Trickster's Surprising Strikes. All these things I was curious about. But if it doesn't get buffed by Heavy hitter then I assume the rest are not effective.

[compact narwhal]

ty appreciate u

[gaunt phoenix]

None of them affect ks

[restive zenith]

Thanks

I had a wild idea of Coldblood Killing spree with Surprising Strikes.

And 10 stacks of flawless form

[torpid fiber]

KS is good but it's not good enough to be worth taking cold blood

Even if you take all the boost stuff, cold blood is in such a bad spot

[restive zenith]

Yea, I understand that. I just know alot of people default to fatebound. I was wondering if there was a cool setup with Trickster and 4pc teir

it is

[pearl topaz]

i think they are approaching a cadence where they just focus on the expac at this point in an expansion

[dawn tundra]

How do you do it? HOW!? HOW DO YOU GET PROPER DPS AS OUTLAW!?

[gaunt phoenix]

cold blood will be next xpac

[mossy shell]

since killing spree is a bunch of smaller hits, cold blood seems like it would be low impact. because a good number of those hits are going to crit anyway.

[gaunt phoenix]

When we get 3 class points

[torpid fiber]

Trickster is better in M+ fwiw, but trickster doesn't actually increase killing spree damage

[gaunt phoenix]

They made cold blood affect all of ks recently

still not the greatest synergy

[mossy shell]

I mean like, some of KS damage is already almost guaranteed to be crit already

surely it would be better on a big coup or something

[torpid fiber]

Mathematically it wouldn't differ

You'd just use it on the highest dpe ability that isn't bte

[restive zenith]

Yea thats what I noticed too

And it was "generating CP" but now I know that the keyword "restore CP" makes it not a CP generator. I was theorycrafting some sort of 100% crit KS setup in pvp, Where trickster talents amp the dmg by 80%

But it's a no go

[fathom bramble]

restore generate and gain are used basically randomly on our effects that give CP

[restive zenith]

Yea

[fathom bramble]

also award

[restive zenith]

I should create an outlaw tooltip thesaurus.

[gaunt phoenix]

practice !

good keybinds and weakauras

[dawn tundra]

I disabled Weakauras because it was making all of my icons green. I'll see if I can't get it to work right, though. My keybinds are pretty messed up though, so I'll have to fix 'em. I honestly just want to be good enough to get a Heroic Dimensius kill so I can get AOTC and be DONE with the entire Heroic scene.

[gaunt phoenix]

you need a weakaura suite to track outlaw stuffs

[subtle lake]

Offhand weapon is basically just a stat stick right? Nowhere near as important as MH?

[gaunt phoenix]

or you will miss cds and buffs and procs

that's correct'

[restive zenith]

Hot tip: A commonly overlooked Keybind is the tilda key.

[torpid fiber]

goated push to talk key frfr

[cinder relic]

Guys

[gaunt phoenix]

[dawn tundra]

I'll see what I can do. I just have a hard time understanding how to do Outlaw and following the rotation. Autist and all of that.

[quaint mauve]

when ur raid leader calls wipe after u KiR into KiR 6 buffs

....

heart hurts

[gaunt phoenix]

[torpid fiber]

Honestly it's just practice

[gaunt phoenix]

you post a lot about how you struggle with outlaw

[torpid fiber]

You start by understanding builder/finisher dynamics, and then cds, and then add minmaxes on top

[gaunt phoenix]

it does make me wonder if you actually enjoy it

[quaint mauve]

me?

[gaunt phoenix]

naw

[dawn tundra]

I do. I just wish I knew how to do it right because I hate it when I fuck up. It gets under my skin and I blame myself for being a stupid fuck who doesn't understand how to do well.

[stiff vector]

wait whats the rule for SOH tech as far as rolling

[torpid fiber]

What I do whenever I run into a situation I don't know how to handle is to remember it, press a button that is close enough, and then check/ask after the pull/key

[tight kernel]

@keen belfry How's that A52 general. Im hearing all kinds of stuff

Do I need to xfer over to see it?

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw really is about just never stopping. It sucks when you fuck up but you gotta keep pushing through it, reps really do matter.

[quaint mauve]

big things happening

[dawn tundra]

How do you manage it, though? Knowing what buttons to push and when? How do you make it all work so you get actually decent damage?

[torpid fiber]

Knowing what buttons to push and when is a combination of UI and practice

[pearl topaz]

its a video game rotation, you arent a stupid fuck for not understanding every aspect of an illogically designed spec - its just time and muscle memory

its not like music where things make a degree of sense

[torpid fiber]

I constantly add stuff to my UI to help me when I run into an issue

[muted iron]

Yeah I think a lot of wow in general is just problem solving. I have X problem so I'm going to implement Y WeakAura to act as a crux while I learn how to solve X problem without Y WeakAura

[brave lagoon]

I keep playing outlaw and I barely even understand what the buttons do

[dawn tundra]

By UI, you mean Weakauras, right?

[muted iron]

User Interface, so anything from WAs through to DBM, where your buttons are, etc etc

Wow has the intrinsic problem where people think a WA pack just tells them everything so they don't actually go off and read abilities and work out stuff. Because of this, a lot of people's UIs are just copied from other people. While that may work for them, it may not work for you

Like the amount of shit I strip out of a lot of WA packages is wild

[copper radish]

over under on buffs by that date

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's good to learn to edit weakauras to your liking

[muted iron]

like it's real stupid shit @dawn tundra... the way some WA packages group spells asides from them being primary DPS spells and utility/def buttons is just not very intuitive for some people. As someone else who is autistic, I like to know that I personally PUT something somewhere to track it. And because I put it in that specific spot, I know to constantly check for it. Whereas in normal WA packages, you don't have this, so I just tend to glaze over them instead of actually looking at them

[fierce trout]

Same, Don't tell Guy i gutted his WA Pack 🤫

[muted iron]

xddd, but that's the great thing with WA packs... they cover everything, but sometimes; especially for someone learning a spec, it just becomes cognitive overload and you don't look at any of it

[wintry solar]

all you do is just press blade flurry

[gaunt phoenix]

did you scale yourself to level 20

[wintry solar]

its a random rogue in a tw dungeon mid combat

tw raid

[muted iron]

made me think I missed TW, but gonna presume you're just NA right

[wintry solar]

yeah

[subtle lake]

If anyone is curious, Prismatic Null Stone embellishments stack with the Blasphemite meta gems. I'm using two at the moment with the speed meta gem. Clocking in at 163.8% run speed. Dead sprint at all times.

[muted iron]

joys of having an NA sleep schedule living in the EU lol

[muted iron]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-sonic-fast-run-walk-gif-17514382

dis u?

[subtle lake]

Hell yeah!

[muted iron]

zoom zoom

[copper owl]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[keen belfry]

yes

[dawn tundra]

What's the best weakaura to use for this season?

[wintry solar]

[muted iron]

the one you like the best

[cinder relic]

[dawn tundra]

I don't know how to gauge that, to be entirely honest. I just picked a random one that seemed to work to some degree.

[gaunt phoenix]

i hate this spec lmao

[frail veldt]

46%

you know what I kinda want

a wa thats liek the bte ace proc one

but its for SS not proccing

[gaunt phoenix]

It sucks when you know you got cucked by rng and nothing else

[dawn tundra]

Ah, to hell with it, I'll just pick one that's for 11.2 and see how best to work with it. I don't know if that's wise or not.

[quaint mauve]

i did not get sigil

sad

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean for me i need weakauras to glow

bte is off cooldown, it glows

vanish is off cd, it glows

it need glows or i wont see it

[dawn tundra]

Mmm. So it's a matter of playing with various options until I get something that can help me figure out how to do a rotation properly. Jesus, I wish Blizzard would just make Outlaw simpler.

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm i dont

a lot of us very much enjoy the crack spec that is outlaw

[covert kestrel]

WE LOVE OUR PLATES AND HOW MUCH THEY SPIN

[cinder relic]

If it makes you feel any better, sub is the exact same

[hearty fulcrum]

Outlaw isn’t even spinning plates, it’s just very fast decision making. Please don’t dumb down the unique spec, just fix the jank and damage.

[hollow bloom]

When you get into the flow and the rng isn’t busting your balls, its fine.

[covert kestrel]

Make s3 DF baseline

[gaunt phoenix]

is it the 2pc for sub?

maybe it is taken for granted outlaw doesnt care too much about 2pc resets

[cinder relic]

Yes

The 2 resets matter a lot

If ur burst windows get 3 coups, vs 1 xd

[gaunt phoenix]

[leaden sonnet]

Case in point

[high parrot]

is it worth using coup in subterfuge

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[leaden sonnet]

Top bro just hit it big (and obviously he played well)

[muted chasm]

can i get advice on how to open against dimensius lmao

should i just pop vanish right away?

[shut lichen]

You can stealth in no?

[cinder relic]

Bro I was having a NUCLEAR fraac pull

Look at this

[covert kestrel]

It breaks for outlaw cause of course it does

[cinder relic]

3:44 into the fight

Was gonna be a r1

[shut lichen]

Damn outlaw stays winning

[cinder relic]

[dawn tundra]

https://wago.io/LuxthosRogueWarWithin

So I decided to import this and now half of my screen is just icons... What do I do, lord?

[proper bear]

Reinstall tbh

[fierce trout]

Resize and change position

delete stuff you dont want

[dawn tundra]

So the icons go away when I close out of WA.

[midnight granite]

no cudgel week #733

[torpid fiber]

Luxthos WAs are what I use but I also heavily tinker with them

[glass mortar]

speaking of gamba

[fierce trout]

You can change it to always show

[glass mortar]

i had 17% procrate on ace on our fract hc farm kill

i just wanna parse man

gimme procs

[brave lagoon]

sorry not sorry

[quaint mauve]

i must be doing something extremely wrong no?

[gaunt phoenix]

probably because they load when you enter combat

[fierce trout]

It presses the button when the addon tells it too

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU/147

[gaunt phoenix]

or when you /wa it shows every icon for editing purposes but when you close it you only see the icons that are told to load in that moment

[cinder relic]

This was a 16m nexus opener xd

[random stirrup]

noob wa

[cinder relic]

But yeah, this game is filled with so much variance lol

[dawn tundra]

I'm not in combat yet. I'll test it and see what happens.

[covert kestrel]

Hard to find the right amount of variance to keep the dopamine rolling

[shut lichen]

Keyword was

[cinder relic]

I only care about variance when it actually makes ur rotation worse, like with Outlaw n such with opp procs

at least RP uptime is all secret variance

[marble meteor]

netherprism stocks keep going up

[valid wasp]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[peak holly]

How good is the stone idol on out rn?

[marble meteor]

guide says best aoe trink

[gaunt phoenix]

ya very good in keys

uncapped

big critties

[buoyant cosmos]

huge you say

[craggy quiver]

i been really liking soh ld

feels good at least

[buoyant cosmos]

Did solo say that they cancel each other out last week?

[gaunt phoenix]

I was wrong, sort of

There is countersynergy

but it gives you a 7% chance to get 5 buffs

every roll

and that just has to compete with 3% vers (in keys)

[cinder relic]

@gaunt phoenix

They actually made the blogpost

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24229031/world-of-warcraft-midnight-information-round-up

and if u go to the news tab

Every feature has a full blog about it

[wintry solar]

I know im the guy with bad takes or whatever but honestly I'd rather they just info dump this rather than an announcement at gameson

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

is there something rogue related here

[shut lichen]

I think they'd rather not being announcing in gamescom either

But new boss , new rules of engagement

[pearl topaz]

whats good for us as "will play anyway" folks is not good for the game, announcements generate eyeballs

[wintry solar]

I guess

they shouldve had an article dedicated specifically to outlaw rogue and its rework frfr

[sullen walrus]

hey, we using nightfall weapon 678 for aoe?

[torpid fiber]

Only in keys but yeah

[sullen wyvern]

Nether prism maybe good now?

Idk if it was shared here

[shut lichen]

Does less dmg from it's passive

[fathom whale]

I have it but I always forget to switch it out before bosses lmao

[late swallow]

i spy a little dance backstab macro

[cinder relic]

No it's symbols and dance bound to mouse

Only macros I have are cb sectec and blades trinket potion

And then I have prism manually bound for situations that affect that

[late swallow]

that first dance + backstab global is insane

i like using the macro

[limpid wren]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[quaint mauve]

in my 14 floodgate

XD

[buoyant cosmos]

sure

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[buoyant cosmos]

0 paladin mentions, how is their discord reacting?

[grim spear]

they have a discord again?

[buoyant cosmos]

maybe not after this

[honest yarrow]

pretty stinky vault, is it a sack angle? my trinket situation is pretty dire (soulbreaker + priory signet)

[buoyant cosmos]

Probably a sim angle

[quaint mauve]

i don’t do any dmg

in big aoe

and it hurts me

actually let me correct myself

1st pull of like

floodgate and eco dome specifically

[flat briar]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[granite merlin]

why do the boots sim horribly

for the reshi wrap boot

[buoyant cosmos]

I had that problem and it was because I added the item manually but it didn't include the actual effect on the boots.

[short fable]

for crafted ring why do we do crit + vers instead of haste + vers

[buoyant cosmos]

you use it to make up for haste if you're short on other pieces of gear

[short fable]

so like here would I want crit vers because I'm already pretty ok on haste?

[buoyant cosmos]

very much so, yes

take off signet, do you go down to like 22%?

[buoyant cosmos]

perfect

crit vers ring

[short fable]

is devout zealot ring better than signet?

[buoyant cosmos]

wow I just noticed your vers is in the dumpster too

You dont want more than 19% haste

[short fable]

yeah that's what I've been meaning to fix

haven't been getting lucky in terms of necklaces though :\

i lost the roll for soulbinder necklace

by like, 2

[eternal ore]

what would you guys pick? I'd sim later but just curious

[short fable]

i don't know the language, is the one on far right bloodstained memento?

[eternal ore]

yeep

[short fable]

what's your current stats/gear?

[gaunt phoenix]

mythic tier usually

[eternal ore]

23% haste, 24% crit and 31% vers

[frank finch]

23

[buoyant cosmos]

that other guy had 25 lol

[eternal ore]

one crafted ring is haste vers

[frank finch]

[eternal ore]

so I could swap that to crit vers

[buoyant cosmos]

19% vers

[short fable]

reduced to other guy status already

[buoyant cosmos]

goes crazy

[short fable]

gg

[buoyant cosmos]

that's great

[short fable]

alright so i found a bloodstained memento in my inventory, how are my stats now

this is w/o buffs

[buoyant cosmos]

better for sure

[sullen walrus]

[Araz's Ritual Forge] - good trinket?

[cold tide]

is there a uh reason my Hand of Fate damage is bad on some kills or is that strictly RNG (assuming i consume finishers correctly)

[buoyant cosmos]

for sin and sub yeah

[light dune]

double checking for fatebound if you're in crackshot and GS comes up during that, and you have a vanish charge, do you hold the GS for the next vanish immediately after crackshot?

[fossil mountain]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[cinder haven]

Yeah

You want to send gs with double joepardy as much as possible

[gaunt phoenix]

much coin

[cinder haven]

But you won't be able to have a vanish for each gs

[light dune]

ok cool I figured, is it the same with AR? if its gonna line up with a GS / vanish after crackshot?

[cinder haven]

Kinda, but it's a don't hold it too long kinda thing

[gaunt phoenix]

your first few vanishes will alternate between GS and AR GS

[cinder haven]

Holding until end of crackshot should be good

[gaunt phoenix]

but over time, AR is more likely to desync

[cinder haven]

If it's worth to keep syncing or not and in what situations is not fully explored

[gaunt phoenix]

there will probably be a little more effort to sync AR GS than the current established rule

[light dune]

like how much, go for it as long as AR doesnt fall off?

always?

[cinder haven]

Possibly even if it falls off sometimes, but I suggest waiting for new pin before doing anything like that

[gaunt phoenix]

i don't think so, after all it is a cooldown that is subject to cdr

[tight kernel]

its over team

im washed

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are highrolling and won't possibly need the AR energy on cast then maybe

as always its going to be a while before the real cook is done

[light dune]

are you guys running into some energy issues sometimes with trying to BTE GS on some vanishes?

[gaunt phoenix]

so it's just something to experiment with

[light dune]

like if buffs arent doing that great

also does the BTE GS thing even do anything?

can we just GS?

[cinder haven]

Some vanish windows are almost completely wasted on fb i feel yeah

[light dune]

is that confirmed?

[cinder haven]

But I wouldn't say confirmed

[gaunt phoenix]

the established rule is simply GS, and that's what's implemented in sims

[granite merlin]

Man I’m doing something stupid my dps is utter ass 🙁 so much I’m tempted to give up outlaw :/

[gaunt phoenix]

you can attempt to BtE at the same time, but you will have to delay your gcd

and you do technically get a better split of coins of you bte+gs at once

i macro gs bte just in case, but it's really not happening

[cinder haven]

Hmm, bte costs less than gs right?

So if you macro and don't watch energy you may end up sending bte only first

And miss the extra coins from gs?

[buoyant cosmos]

I did that on accident two weeks ago, was in AOE talents from hunters lol

mythic kill?

[cinder haven]

I macro both gs and adr to vanish now instead, ignoring the bte bug

[tight kernel]

yea

[cinder haven]

But i should probably try to do the bte thing

[buoyant cosmos]

rip, always next week

[tight kernel]

yeah i was fucking up

was like perm 2 rolls

was so bad

I was grappling hook to back of room so people can spread and not die like noobs

[buoyant cosmos]

Did you remember to pray to Bobby this morning?

[tight kernel]

ethical mechanics bad uptime on boss

gg

I think Im attuning for my sins, played Sub all weekend

[cinder haven]

I assume it is good to also send adr and gs together without vanish if vanish is far away

[tight kernel]

outlaw gods mad at me giving me shit rng in rolls

[cinder haven]

Adr, gs, bte should be better than adr, bte, gs I mean

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

more tails hits buffed by heads

[buoyant cosmos]

this is real

[gaunt phoenix]

and more likely to hit lucky coin again

[cinder haven]

You add 4 of both coins to what you had i guess

[gaunt phoenix]

Not only that but your next coin is guaranteed to be a 5th

which is that much closer to 7

[cinder haven]

Yeah that too

[buoyant cosmos]

trying to get into 15s is cursed

[smoky lotus]

in this case, after pistol would you instead ss, dispatch, vanish, ar+gs bte to line up ar+gs? basically holding gs a bit

[craggy barn]

i would

[scarlet drum]

Any recommendations for 3rd spark?

[safe pasture]

Does anyone know how the HO sinister strike bug works that’s mentioned in the FAQ ? Like is it something that can be induced or just randomly occurs

[glass mortar]

anytime u press SS turned ambush from audacity it can happen

it has the same chance to happen as proccing oppurtunity from ambush

its just a third chance to double strike

or a second i guess

the ambush SS turns into can proc a second ambush (thats opportunity like normal) and that ambush can ALSO proc opportunity at the usual rate (that is not supposed to happen)

thats the bug

[safe pasture]

Thanks very helpful!

[willow portal]

what slot could i move my second ring craft to in late game? i got a high vers low haste myth boe that i would upgrade instead

[cinder haven]

Yeah this is almost certainly good

[stiff vector]

needs more SoH

[willow portal]

yo cudgel at home

[torpid fiber]

Cudgel + kazzak neck

But worse than both because mastery omegalul

[dusty mulch]

!log

[zenith egret]

How sad is that vault damn.. Best choice dilemma is socket or shoulder to save 30 crest

[stiff vector]

yo those boots are some fire transmog tho

[safe pasture]

'

[buoyant cosmos]

real

Is antenna still kinda sim bait or is it still that good

[cinder relic]

Aren't those mythic shoulders

[zenith egret]

Not the set one but yes but as I already have a mythic track item to put in catalyst next week.. It’s a 3-week waiting room

[cinder haven]

Sure it's not just vibes? I'm having a seriously hard time to prove that soh is a significant gain for anything except pure ST FB

Maybe it sims wrong somehow

[cinder relic]

Damn

[cedar kernel]

wait blizz release a tuning

oh its hotfix

[willow portal]

what did you change for soh?

[cinder haven]

vers

got the vers heavy vers/haste gloves in vault, pretty happy about that outcome

[crude flower]

Ik it's not here anymore, but

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/233915185042161665/1375463959364370583/KillingSpreeWorkshop.gif?ex=68b8e9e2&is=68b79862&hm=2910fcd00060971bf49f29c7d21802a7955424241dfc67bd9d5e2bd03159a418&

[willow portal]

should i upgrade that boe ring (vers haste)?

[cinder haven]

why is double jeopardy not a trackable buff, grr

[stiff vector]

aura farming in heroic pugs truly what outlaw was made for

[vivid vessel]

fatest chest in the world

[cinder haven]

should be possible to make a weak aura that tracks double jeopardy tbh

[stiff vector]

no I need that neck

[vivid vessel]

[willow portal]

what did you pay him to say that

[stiff vector]

[vivid vessel]

I mean at the very least the fact you keep buffs while rerolling, and since it happen more often

That undersim

And it sims neutral for me

But idk

It just

[cinder haven]

it's probably a little bit better

but also vibes I think

[vivid vessel]

Allows me to not get stuck with bad rolls o a pill

I don't feel like I will never be able to kir

[cinder haven]

yeah it feels good, but it would be nice to prove that its actually better

[vivid vessel]

Also you can kinda fish between pulls with snds you know what

But then when you get momentum

Idk

It's so over for the mobs

[cedar kernel]

no amulet?

[willow portal]

can you show what build you use it in then?

please

[cinder haven]

yeah I was gonna say, that's also not accounted for in sims

try any FB keys yet zac?

[stiff vector]

ye I like being able to unfuck some bad rolls

plus feels good when you get the random 5 roll

[cinder haven]

when I look at the sims, the SOH build doesn't actually have more buff uptime really

it just rolls more

[vivid vessel]

Ye the keys I did yesterday

Which weren't many

Like 3 after raid

Oh fb

No

[cedar kernel]

i want to try it

[vivid vessel]

I'm scared of fb

Because no super tricks

And

[cedar kernel]

tbh if the team is Arms+Feral

[vivid vessel]

We have low AOE already

[cedar kernel]

since the aoe is very worse

[vivid vessel]

Which is scary

[cedar kernel]

yeaa

[vivid vessel]

On some pulls

[cinder haven]

yeah doesn't make sense if you need more aoe for sure

[cedar kernel]

so i think it doesnt matter since we have shit aoe

[cinder haven]

only if you severely lack prio I think

[vivid vessel]

I wanna try it next street tho

[vivid vessel]

The prio isn't that much better tbf

[cedar kernel]

idk how does dawnbreaker looks like

[cinder haven]

I think you lose like 1m overall at least

[vivid vessel]

Wait I made something cause I wanted to see

One sec

[cedar kernel]

but FB or trickster both cringe in dawnbreaker

besides macro gaming is cringe also

[vivid vessel]

Idk why it renders weird on phone

But ye

This is prio target for fb vs trickster

[cedar kernel]

nice prio dmg

[frank finch]

!snd

[vivid vessel]

And you see how it funnely goes up

[long barn]

Is it spark week?

[vivid vessel]

But then down

Haha

[long barn]

Like get 3rd craft?

[cedar kernel]

yea this week

[jolly geyser]

I said myth weapon in vault yday and it manifested

[cedar kernel]

get a wrist or another ring

[long barn]

Hmm

[cinder haven]

depressing

[long barn]

Maybe just getting unlucky

[frank finch]

i somehow lost the snd macro what was it again

[vivid vessel]

But ye idk the prio isn't that amazingly better

It's also very depressing how much you lose adding ONE target

For both build

[cinder haven]

one thing I fuck up a lot on FB is not being in melee range properly when I open with gs/adr macro

[cinder haven]

yeah, it's like 8% or something iirc

[stiff vector]

howbadly blizzard fucked this specs prio is depressing

[cinder haven]

I mean it's clearly visible on the wcl charts

so maybe they will do something

who knows

maybe they won't understand that it's negative prio and just aura buff

[vivid vessel]

Need to be studied how much they fucked us over

Amateurs devs

What can you do

[cinder haven]

I'm sure it'll just be aura buff if anything

[stiff vector]

I mean the fact theyve allowed FB hero talents and KS to exist in their current state giga fucking prio is not a good sign

theyre oblivious

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Feels good when they give every spec in the game infinite funnel and prio

[stiff vector]

its not that hard to design shit that doesnt fuck prio dmg, especially when the spec is d esigned to do prio damage...but here we are

its truly impressive the level of incompetence

[vivid vessel]

Idk I truly hope they wake the fuck up for midnight

[cinder haven]

I don't hate the design direction of giving everyone funnel, just give us funnel too

[vivid vessel]

The whole tww expac has been very very disappointing in term of outlaw or rogue in general

[stiff vector]

TWW has been horrendous for outlaw/rogue

[vivid vessel]

Like the work quality of the things they have done

Is just

Abmysal low

Any random could do better without prior knowledge

[cedar kernel]

i tried some

[vivid vessel]

This ks rework was embarrassing if you ask me

[cedar kernel]

dummy testing

[vivid vessel]

Just a proof of how incompetent they are

[heavy shadow]

• Is belt really such a bad upgrade when it's mythic track?
• Warpclaw only good for m+?
• I want to take the tier but feel I should take the trinket

[vivid vessel]

And I will not accept a lack of time excuse

[cedar kernel]

claw?

[stiff vector]

its one thing for them to largely ignore iterating on the class, but the whole hero tree debacle has been a nightmare, the few times they did give us attention its literally been bad for the spec, and they top it off with tuning the spec to be garbage for basically 90% of the xpac so far

[cedar kernel]

maybe

[vivid vessel]

It doesn't take longer to make it do normal proof damage