outlaw

[cinder haven]

I'm simming st now to see if it beats something

Haven't tried aligning with adr yet either

[fathom bramble]

well there might be room to make it bis then

1.3% behind right now based on the Fuu sheet

[cinder haven]

0.6% behind now

[vivid vessel]

thats the behavior we have in the apl rn

idk what you mean by default or not behaviour

[cinder haven]

Way ahead on dslice obviously

[fathom bramble]

that already makes it beat every easier to get trinket except a 100% rate astral antenna

assuming you can get a prism on mythic

[tight kernel]

thought about going sub for fract https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x7Mdnf9XAhfPfYGaz9FHFC https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rtF1E3Ja5YzzFK746ZEoKj

0 chance lol

[past fossil]

Do I want to have sinister on my stealth bar, or do I just replace it with ambush? 🤔

[marble meteor]

stat profiles are too different for me to worry about sub tbh

[tight kernel]

eh was pretty easy to swap stats around

doing so many keys you kinda just have gear laying around

[fathom bramble]

having a bit too much vers on sub isn't really that much of a damage loss

[cinder haven]

Yeah and i think i can improve it a bit more

[fathom bramble]

and makes you tankier anyway

[vivid vessel]

tbf

you would need to sim without a variable timer

[fathom bramble]

you need like 1 or 2 jewelry swap, cape, and flask from outlaw to be decent

[vivid vessel]

the timer is exactly 5 min

which can be very good for sub

0min cd, 1min30, 3min, 4min30, boss dies

[cinder haven]

Aligning with adr only wasn't that good

[inland acorn]

Are you playing HO or KiR ?

[past fossil]

HO, I know KiR is better but I find HO more fun.

[tight kernel]

Also I think its a craft belt angle tomorrow

[inland acorn]

Then you can keep SS

[vivid vessel]

balt

[fathom bramble]

the delve belt is sticking around way longer than I thought

it just beats everything

idk if you want to craft a belt

[inland acorn]

Audacity should switch it to ambush

[tight kernel]

I just hate it, its like the ring

its either belt or ring i think

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAoHi5S4M9cfUbBSHbqyV9

well it didnt change much

[tight kernel]

yeah I got scuff trinkets tbh

will def do sub for dimmy and nexus

prob outlaw for fract and hunters

[fathom bramble]

I think I'm just sending all 90 crests on items next week

that has to beat crafting a ring

[cinder haven]

Idk what to craft either, can't think of anything that would have a major impact really

[glass anvil]

Hey so I just used a boost on an outlaw rogue. any Weakauras you guys recommend? I'm not a fan of the full HUD overhaul, but more like buff trackers etc

[torpid fiber]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[torpid fiber]

rtb+ub tracker are pretty important

[glass anvil]

oh wow haha

thanks

[glass anvil]

one sec let me just look up the abbreviations again lmao

[torpid fiber]

roll the bones; unseen blade

the bottom two in the "utilities" section

unseen blade is particularly notable as it's not trackable at all in the default UI or easily with a quick aura

[rotund zodiac]

This one is pretty good https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

It tells you when should you roll, kir or BF

[glass anvil]

How come all the weakauars have so little installs

[marble meteor]

using in game assets already loaded 9/10

[vivid vessel]

if you have 2 embel already

crafting is just bad

upgrading cost less

[marble meteor]

beating on a training dummy, holding for 5/6 buffs/kir and the following vanish, seems at least equal to any other good trinket.

for netherprism

[glass anvil]

So i'm watching some logs to see what the rotation looks like, and noticed that this guy seems to cast dispatch everytime he casts BTE. Is this something that happens automatically or is he just pressing the buttons right after eachother?

because both require combo points, no?

[wintry solar]

Crackshot

Casts dispatch

[rotund zodiac]

BTE from crackshot auto cast dispatch

[glass anvil]

ooooooh I see

Okay my bad

I'll be asking a bunch of those newbie questions bear with me haha

i've watched some vids and read a couple guides, but it is a lot to take in

[torpid fiber]

outlaw logs are unfortunately infamously hard to read because there's so much bullshit going on in them

[wintry solar]

There's a bear with you??

[proper veldt]

[fathom bramble]

that's what I was thinking but I still need to sim it all after my vaul

I have good myth slots to send crests on though so it should just win out

714 3/6 chest and helm

[glass anvil]

What's the queue for casting killing spree? is see the dude casts it pretty late

[rotund zodiac]

Usually after the first opener and before next vanish

[empty elbow]

!prepull

[rotund zodiac]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[jolly geyser]

got my weeklies done

[cedar kernel]

the only advantage for outlaw to get into a group

[glass anvil]

Is rogue just not good in keys or?

[crude flower]

It’s good

[empty elbow]

ty bb

[lucid sandal]

Healer friend tells me I make rogue feel like a tank

[cedar kernel]

[spare dome]

untill you play assa

[agile orchid]

outlaw is not great, not terrible

needs buffs

[cinder haven]

Surely BF becomes uncapped in midnight

Insert anakin meme

[daring oxide]

@agile orchid when is tuning this week?

[agile orchid]

never

they gave up

[cinder haven]

But it's good for us if tuning is delayed

Unless you care about raid prog

[agile orchid]

oh yes it works in our advantage

[inland acorn]

inb4 we get another 5% nerf to bf

[agile orchid]

assuming we actually get buffed

[cinder haven]

But a 20% buff to ST

[inland acorn]

20%

I will be surprised if we even get 5

[cinder haven]

I think we get no tuning

[inland acorn]

same

[agile orchid]

outlaw is a top 5 spec, no buffs are needed

[inland acorn]

I think they think* outlaw is in perfect place

[inland acorn]

ye meanwhile i killed fract yesterday

and parsed gray

literally hit lowest of the lows of my life

[cinder haven]

What does gray parsing have to do with tuning though?

[agile orchid]

sometimes I wish they would stop making these padding bosses in raid

they just ruin tuning

[inland acorn]

the variance could be brought down a tad bit

[cinder haven]

Maybe in midnight

[agile orchid]

rogue is fucking garbage in ST

[inland acorn]

Do we know whats expac is after

midnight ?

[agile orchid]

surely they will buff us

last titan

[wintry solar]

The Last Titan

[inland acorn]

Ok, so rework probably in last titan

[wintry solar]

Revamped Northrend inc

[inland acorn]

gg

[wintry solar]

ICC 2.0

[inland acorn]

ICC 2.0

changing outlaw back to combat, because people keep crying about it

gg

[cinder haven]

Isn't there heavy rumors about midnight rework?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[cinder haven]

I'm scared though

[inland acorn]

yeah

after their KS rework

[wintry solar]

Heavily implied and anecdotal evidence to support it

[inland acorn]

I have 0 faith in them

Actual 0

[agile orchid]

having reworks at the start of new expansions is to be expected tbh

[cinder haven]

KS rework isn't that bad imo

[inland acorn]

I disagree

[cinder haven]

Unfort that it sprays

Otherwise fine

[wintry solar]

My only gripe is it hits random targets

[agile orchid]

if they made it cleave 100% of the damage done it would be fine

[cinder haven]

Ye

[cinder haven]

Or just not interact with bf, just uncapped aoe

[agile orchid]

yep

[inland acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-overwatch-league-gladiators-gladiator-los-angeles-gladiators-gif-13574662

This is what it should've been

[wintry solar]

It is

[agile orchid]

it's not

they made it a frontal cleave

for whatever reason

[cinder haven]

Its reaper ult at home

[wintry solar]

It was that

[agile orchid]

instead of a circle around you

[inland acorn]

frontal cleave that hits 1 target randomly

[wintry solar]

Is that not what reaper does?

[inland acorn]

reaper just spins and does dmg around

to everything

[wintry solar]

Idk, I hate the idea of this KS anyway

It's so dumb

[ocean steeple]

i hate the idea of any channel on this spec 🙁

[cinder haven]

Each tick should hit everything in pbaoe

[wintry solar]

👀

[cinder haven]

But whatever

[inland acorn]

each tick should hit everything

[cinder haven]

At least I don't die

[inland acorn]

reduce duration to 2-3s

increase damage to compensate shorter channel

boom

[cinder haven]

The cp refill thing is kinda cool though

[inland acorn]

it is

unless you play trickster

then it's wonky

Having to first send finisher, before using ss to build coup

[red zinc]

Its not frontal cleave just looks that way

[cinder haven]

Just don't like that it's tuned so interrupting it is even remotely viable

[inland acorn]

Thats why i think it should be 2-3s

[daring oxide]

arent we at the bottom in heroic?

[inland acorn]

and increase damage to match the 5s one

[wintry solar]

Also that reaper gif looks like he's shooting random shit

[agile orchid]

I like using it as a way to recharge my energy too

[red zinc]

Just targets a random mob around you and then flurries off that target each tick

[cinder haven]

Yeah, especially on FB

[agile orchid]

atm I am not even asking for a redesign

I just want buffs

[wintry solar]

I'm asking for both

[cinder haven]

It's still fun to play

[wintry solar]

I picked up blood in pvp and had more fun with it than outlaw

[agile orchid]

I am very curious to see what the apex talents for outlaw look like

[wintry solar]

In general

[cinder haven]

Blood is one of my favorite specs tbh

[wintry solar]

It's goated tbh

Honestly atm it's an unfair comparison

[agile orchid]

blood is the most fun tank spec by far

too bad blizzard has a hate boner against it

[cinder haven]

Yeah idk why

It's almost never good in m+

[agile orchid]

how difficult is it to nerf dps DKs without colateral damage to blood

[cinder haven]

Although for pugging mid keys it's really good

[agile orchid]

that's just pure incompetency

[cinder haven]

If you get inv

[inland acorn]

Challenge impossible for blizz

[cinder haven]

You can carry so hard on bdk

[agile orchid]

the classic "solo the boss" bdk moments

[agile quiver]

how much should we sim miss% for antenna?

[wintry solar]

That's where the dopamine is

Ace ain't got nothing on live-lording a boss

[inland acorn]

Guy said 30%

[vivid vessel]

can check hc boss damage to see how it will evolve in the future

we are on track

[opal raven]

buff outlaw both aoe and st

[agile orchid]

more buffs for arcane mage

[cinder haven]

Arcane mage is also fun tbh

[wintry solar]

You lost me

[earnest sphinx]

Buff mage. Now

[wintry solar]

That may be just spite though

Got hit with a 7mil barrage today

[spare dome]

outlaw is gonna be dumbed down

they did this will all their recent reworks

which is not a bad thing tbh

[cinder haven]

In midnight yeah

[wintry solar]

I wonder who's gonna stick around afterwards

Or rather reroll

[cinder haven]

Depends on how they do it

[agile quiver]

as long as it's still fast

[spare dome]

yea

[cinder haven]

Fast and mobile

Surely we get acro back too

[spare dome]

I unironically think that HO is the superior gameplay

[cinder haven]

[wintry solar]

Sinister Strike in Subterfuge is so dumb I can't lie

[prisma vessel]

i still do better DPS with HO Over KiR, idk.... my brain is an HO brain.

[wintry solar]

Acting like we haven't had ambush since rogues inception

[cinder haven]

Just buff ace again

100% refund chance in subt

[wintry solar]

That'd be nice

[cinder haven]

Would be easy at least

Also boring

[agile quiver]

rolling fast and frequently for supercharger also feels better imo. which is why I like that sleight with SC has turned out to be better for HO than loaded dice

[daring oxide]

ya this is what mythic will look like soon

there probably wont be any outlaws on the las ttwo

last two

[cinder haven]

There's a new cook to use soh for kir as well

[daring oxide]

with current tuning

[fluid meadow]

how much dmg buff if they just make a mod on bte crits? like not normal dmgx4 but crit dmgx4?

[agile quiver]

tbh

if outlaw does get simplified

[cinder haven]

The soh on kir soup isn't ready to eat yet though

[agile quiver]

I feel like kir is probably first on the chopping block...

[jolly geyser]

hope kir and gs goes

[spare dome]

Idk what they need to do

to lower the entry skill floor

[cinder haven]

Zac had a cook on kir that I thought was neat

That it actually locks buffs for real

So you can just spam rtb for the duration

Get rid of the container bs

[agile quiver]

yeah, the container shit needs to go if they want to get rid of required weakauras

[spare dome]

also can we go back to 5cp and finishers doing damage

[cedar kernel]

outlaw need buff fr

outlaw is the top 1

[cinder haven]

wtf

that can't be right?

does it only gain stacks in execute or something in sims?

[vivid vessel]

I will be outlaw on dimensius in 3 resets

Maybe I get the first outlaw kill

Who knows

[winter cave]

how far in did you go on Blueberry Mythic ?

[cinder haven]

DS

what's happening here?

maybe it only starts gaining stacks if you've used it once in sims

tried to make it only use it with at least x stacks

[mighty pivot]

link to sim?

[cinder haven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oKfbisUKv2hBTEdxKFqkSt/simc

running another sim now that will force send it at 0 stacks

we'll see if the stack graph looks ok after that

yep

pretty sure that's an error in how the trinket is implemented, won't start gaining stacks until you use it once

or maybe it works like that in game too, but doubt

but very low stacks on this?

I'm confused

[mighty pivot]

it's a 20s cd and it takes 10s per stack so about 2 makes sense

[cinder haven]

but I made it only use it at 15 stacks

or 0

maybe I messed up

gonna split the lines

yeah

it's only the 0 stack line firing

maybe there's another buff name for the actual stacks

[crystal canopy]

the stacks are called "latent energy"

[mighty pivot]

actions.item+=/use_item,name=unyielding_netherprism,use_off_gcd=1,if=(buff.latent_energy.stack>=8+8*trinket.arazs_ritual_forge.cooldown.ready&buff.shadow_blades.remains>=12)|fight_remains<=20 from a sub sim

[cinder haven]

thanks!

[hasty warren]

what is better (or less ass) to play on dimensius ? sub or assa ?

[vivid vessel]

Sub

[marble meteor]

just used netherprism on normal loom, on the rule of 5/6 RTB or after KIR, cast then Vanish OR use on lust. Used it 4 times in a 3min fight.

[cinder haven]

yeah you want it up before you vanish

and you can't macro it to vanish

[marble meteor]

nope

[hasty warren]

there's a reason ? like assa uptime is shit on it ?

[cinder haven]

and you probably want to align it with the vanish where you have both gs and adr

[marble meteor]

well its an AGI boost, so you wanna combo it with your crackshot windows

[cinder haven]

yeah, but you want the boost also for the coin burst from adr + gs

[mighty pivot]

dimmy has a lot of pauses and burst dps is very useful

[vivid vessel]

Sub is op and does AOE burst

Assa just does what sub do but worse

No point

[hasty warren]

kk

never played sub

but I'm feeling useless as outlaw on this fight

wait

why sub faq is just links $

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[hasty warren]

why our faq is the best

[marble meteor]

the spec is fun, so people show love

[hasty warren]

but we're the least played spec

[marble meteor]

kinda like feral

[hasty warren]

only chads

[willow portal]

If there were any balance changes coming we would already had a post right?

[hasty warren]

fck sub main stat is mastery

[jolly geyser]

did a key with a feral this morning,rare

[hasty warren]

i'm so cooked

[marble meteor]

Problem is tuning not gameplay 🙂 (and apparently the need for a WA is bad and is gonna get fixed in Midnight)

[willow portal]

There are some cracked ferals like drufearr, met him recently in a key

[jolly geyser]

[cedar kernel]

15+ dawnbreaker

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

gaming

[cedar kernel]

💀

we even cant time it

[indigo token]

wait what

[cedar kernel]

i tried my best

but just cant time it

wait brothers is it NA holiday today?

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-boyle-299-birch-drive-rostock-racing-deer-club-oddkast-chocolate-gif-7604806897369123722

Where outlaw st buffs

[cinder haven]

but I gave you buffs yesterday

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ai-hug-cat-jesus-hug-cat-ai-gif-3164886642376333242

wtf are these ai gifs

[mighty pivot]

AI was a mistake

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-fnaf-feet-sticking-tongue-tongue-eye-of-rah-gif-14750131905473321462

[formal echo]

Hope they remove vanish from The rotation in midnight

[vivid vessel]

No ty

[formal echo]

Make work in solo content atleast

[gaunt phoenix]

How

[fathom whale]

why is it sometimes in dungeons it feel like rtb is just shafting you and you cant seem to get any momentum going in a dungeons and then you die to bolts because people cant kick and cloak is on cd and then you come back and have no buffs and its slow and uh

this happen to anyone else

[wicked obsidian]

energy regen.. that's the pitfall with outlaw... if you loose your buffs and adr uptime you get into a hole cause with lack of energy you will be slow and slow means slow cdr, slow cdr means lack of buff uptime. unfortunately there is no booster to get the engine back running smoothly if this happens

[gaunt phoenix]

kir is a momentum build

[agile orchid]

What is with the obsession with vanish

Just treat it as a CD

[hardy wigeon]

!prepull

fuck what the command

[jolly geyser]

!opener

oh

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[brave lagoon]

I spent a whole flood14 trying to play catchup with the tank damage cuz I most likely made a few mistakes early on, didn't get any chance of recovering the whole key

Flood 1st pull I was under the tank the whole time I just wanted to brick the key and pretend it had never happened

[fresh holly]

Is this simulation correct? Is the belt that bad for the outlaw?

[inland acorn]

you have wrong option selected on belt

[torpid fiber]

My belt also sims ass iirc

[inland acorn]

we run charged crystal for ST and charged crystal / critical chain for aoe

[torpid fiber]

I should check though

[inland acorn]

But yes, belt is ass and pretty sure belt on slightly higher ilvl will beat it

[torpid fiber]

FAQ says it's replaced by hero track belts which checks out

[fresh holly]

is 3 targets sim for demon hunters boss

[inland acorn]

that doesn't matter

we don't run charged bolts* on belt

after it was nerfed to the ground

[queen kiln]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[fresh holly]

is warcraft log bug? i see this spell

[inland acorn]

link sim

i see the picture of charged bolt on belt in your screenshot

[vivid vessel]

ye armory cant get the belt gem

[fresh holly]

that's the problem then

[fresh orchid]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fresh holly]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nyiu338NWTviqYt6ZXjGD3

now yes

thx all guys

[cedar kernel]

sigh

i still cant time a 15+ dawnbreaker

idk wheres the problem

[indigo token]

your key isnt chinese enough

[cedar kernel]

[proven ocean]

wdym

they 100% should lol

they just convert it to a normal crackshot cd

make vanish a utility

crackshot procs on stealth break but not on vanish and its gg

ok i dont expect them to code that at all

but ye

or

ye

[torpid fiber]

dpsmogged someone in a 4 priory
(I didn't even do that much dps it was like only 5m, just it was a 4 and they had already died once to type out that they were high mid-pull)

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/you-crack-me-up-gif-27054867

[elder phoenix]

kai made 64178.57 dollars in an hour today lol

also

did the bug with AR and coins got fix'd or what

I really dont wanna make a weakaura for that shit to pay attention too

[glass mortar]

Why would u need a wa

Just use the macro

[elder phoenix]

To make it more effiecient. idk 🤷‍♂️

[glass mortar]

How is that more efficient

[elder phoenix]

How is that isnt?

[glass mortar]

U can use the macro to just be ur adr button if u want

Don't even need a new bind

[vivid vessel]

what would the weak aura be tracking lol

[glass mortar]

Yea I don't understand how a wa would even help u

[elder phoenix]

Fucking smoll indie company. Still didnt fix it

SMH

[vivid vessel]

hm

would raghter they buff trikster

[torpid fiber]

I'm not going through this shit again

[vivid vessel]

+10%

please ty

[copper radish]

When tuning

[glass mortar]

Do we really feel like blizzard is going to look at boss damage logs and buff us

[copper radish]

We should just get a buff like “rogues are S tier for rest of season”

[glass mortar]

It's so joever for us ngl

[copper radish]

Already re rolled DH lmao

[pearl topaz]

I BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF THE CARDS

[glass mortar]

We look fine on the stack

[copper radish]

DH is just outlaw but I do damage lol

[proven ocean]

no one asked

its an outlaw channel

stay on topic moot guy

[vivid vessel]

mythic will look worse imo

[ember goblet]

is patchwerk or dungeon slice bvest way to Sim outlaw M+?

[vivid vessel]

but idk to me if your stats look like this

[torpid fiber]

Crazy that they nerfed aff and frost btw

[vivid vessel]

both in overall and boss damage

[copper radish]

Dead last 😭

[inland cairn]

Delivered doom is so cringe

[tropic zephyr]

Blizz will look at wlogs stats and see us above the pack and call it a day

Boss dam are for chumps

[ember goblet]

is patchwerk or dungon slice best way to Sim outlaw M+?

[gaunt phoenix]

slice is fine

[late swallow]

and dice?

[gaunt phoenix]

but you can also observe patchwerk results

outlaw doesnt really care

Just the nightfall cudgel doesnt work in patchwerk

[daring oxide]

Zac can you save us pls

[elder phoenix]

how accurate is thishttps://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings/mythic-plus/high-keys/all-dungeons/this-week

apparently sub is top rogue spec for m+ high keys

[ember goblet]

cause im looking at all these sims at it says 10Mil mine is inching at 7Mil

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just based on rio score

so it's more or less what people are playing

[elder phoenix]

Ah i realized that after LOL

Im surprised tbh i thought assassination would be top. given that someone said that assissination is the "best" spec rn for m+

ig he was wrong

🤷‍♂️

[gaunt phoenix]

i imagine they are both competitive

[vivid vessel]

assa got hidden nerfs

[gaunt phoenix]

there doesnt really have to be a simple "better"

[vivid vessel]

of about 10/15%

from bugs

but assa is still better prolly kekw

looking at rio to get what spec is better is stupid

[gaunt phoenix]

i see outlaw did +19 and sub did not

so

outlaw better

[vivid vessel]

ye

outlaw on top

yet its the worse spec by far

how strange

very suspect i might add

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[copper radish]

Guys. If we flip the chart. We are number 1

It’s like golf the lower the better

[cold jewel]

TRIPLE OUTLAW 20S WHEN

⁉️

[copper radish]

They should bring the days of classes bringing raid buffs back. Imp EA from us spread through flurry

[cedar kernel]

I JUST FUCK EVERY DPS BUT I CANT TIME A KEYS CANT IMAGINE IF WE COULD GET A BUFF

[hybrid crown]

If you are leading keys just remember outlaw timed a 19 and the others didn't. Only invite outlaw to keys even for +10s

[gaunt phoenix]

bac crashing out

wtf

[hybrid crown]

The other ones are straight up throwing

[cedar kernel]

WE NEED NUMBER BUFF

[junior coral]

Are you guys tracking your debuffs like poisons and bleeds by the default debuff location near mini map, or do you guys have other spots where you track it? In the thick of it, I have a hard time checking the top right of my screen lol

[cedar kernel]

I BROKE MY HAND AND EVEN CANT BEYOND OTHER DPS

[frank finch]

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[cedar kernel]

or i beyond but not enough, in the old time i could make their dps far away from me

[zinc briar]

the chinesse party is doing 19 with sub rogue, with more overall and 30 times better prio damage

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[zinc briar]

and wait for cassual and more rogues

outlaw needs more prio 🙁

[gaunt phoenix]

i move debuffs below weakauras

[zinc briar]

we are capped in aoe, at least we could have good prio

[junior coral]

Like your class WA In center of screen?

[cedar kernel]

we need alots of ST dmg buff

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[zinc briar]

not 90% of damage in the random bf

[cedar kernel]

just like u will never see outlaw has such bad ST dmg before

no matter which expac we got rly good ST

[sudden fulcrum]

why don't you play sub?

[cedar kernel]

bc i love outlaw thats all

[zinc briar]

the problem is the rng

[sudden fulcrum]

Bac is a loyal pirate

[zinc briar]

the diff of a buff with other

double combo point and cd reduction u are god

bf and enegery

u are a shit

[stiff vector]

outlaws problem right now definitely is not rng lol'

[cedar kernel]

i push every keys with outlaw

yea its not the rng problem rn

[zinc briar]

i was doing 99 in 1st boss

and this week in the reclear of 1st boss MM

[cedar kernel]

more like number issue?

[zinc briar]

i did 60

[sudden fulcrum]

Dark Orb Problems

[zinc briar]

2 times stucked without good rolls

[cedar kernel]

mechanic is fine but the numbers

[zinc briar]

perma destroying ss button

1st kill 4.1 dmg

and this week with more ilvl 3.6

ok

[stiff vector]

outlaws problem is terrible tuning+terrible hero tree designs+blizzard has done nothing but make our damage profile worse for absolutely 0 reason

[cedar kernel]

idk when will the tuning release

but i hope theres a place for outlaw

[zinc briar]

and i had the top 2 world in araz MM with 8.6M letting the boss alive with 2% wipe

[elder phoenix]

what did rogues bring again

back then

armor pen right?

[zinc briar]

Then we kill it and i had 7.4

[elder phoenix]

or was that ferals

[zinc briar]

gg

each try is a lottery

doing aoe is a little bit better coz u get combo points with bf

[cedar kernel]

how many times left for dawnbreaker last boss is enough

6 mins?

[late swallow]

zac did a 19, outlaw didn't do it

[zinc briar]

buf in st if u are stucked with 0 energy

gl

[cedar kernel]

i think 6-6.5 mins is good to time

[jolly geyser]

in 2 days,Ion dmd me

[late swallow]

i think zac and his team are the new phys comp goats ngl

wox and squish's team dethroned

@vivid vessel thoughts?

[desert tendon]

so false

worst opinion ever Somnius

Where are you ranked at in zac's tierlist?

[late swallow]

i actually don't remember asking

[desert tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/who-asked-world-of-warcraft-wow-gif-25705949

[late swallow]

sick gif bro

[desert tendon]

ikr

[cedar kernel]

i need to bedge

🛌

[late swallow]

get some rest king

[late swallow]

晚安，我的甜蜜王子

[cedar kernel]

wtf

💀

[late swallow]

[desert tendon]

what did he say

[cedar kernel]

thats sounds

very very

[mighty pivot]

something about outlaw nerfs

[cedar kernel]

SAPPY

[late swallow]

if you unfold all the chinese characters, it spells out the upcoming tuning

[cedar kernel]

okay i am fuck up, my score havent been up for recent days

noob issue

flood and DB becomes a nightmare

[mighty pivot]

the upcoming tuning is real and will happen

[late swallow]

2 pm est today I hear

[cedar kernel]

okay i just slept

[jolly geyser]

Noob but all 99s

[mighty pivot]

metzen needs to sign it and it's good to go

[cedar kernel]

hope theres 8% aura tomorrow for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye easy

our comp is also better in general i think

cause brew is good

bear is perma bad

but i guess they have hunter

hunter op op

[late swallow]

brew damage is actually kind of insane

[mighty pivot]

more aoe than outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye

we wouldnt be timing keys withot brew

im ngl

[cedar kernel]

brew is very good rn

like i played with a bear today, he can do 2.5m DPS

[marble meteor]

lol 8

[cedar kernel]

but my brew mate can do 5m

[vivid vessel]

10 at least

[cedar kernel]

2 bears

but my brew mate mad at pugs today

the whole team is going to split

[mighty pivot]

by the end of TWW outlaw will have 50% spec aura

[zinc briar]

who is metzen?

[marble meteor]

i doubt itd be an aura, they'd try and make it buff only ST

[cedar kernel]

i think our aoe is not good also

[zinc briar]

what aura u mean?

[cedar kernel]

the reason why it looks good, the most reason is like, we are using cudgel

cudgel OP

[prisma vessel]

anyone else hate the first pull of gambit? when tanks pull like 40 mobs, and you do no DPS?

[cedar kernel]

if we are using ilvl wep the aoe will be tough

[gaunt phoenix]

it's the outlaw way

[prisma vessel]

yeah, and i beat them on bosses. ❤️

[cedar kernel]

i asked for chainpulls

[marble meteor]

soul hunter stats says otherwise

[mighty pivot]

if you know that the tank is pulling 40 mobs you equip your cursed stone idol

[vivid vessel]

why tho

im litteraly doing less than tank in aoe

everytime there is a pack that is somewhat bigger than like 8 target

[zinc briar]

but u put the prio damage, oh wait, no, we dont have prio

[vivid vessel]

it wasnt like that in s2

[prisma vessel]

yerp

[vivid vessel]

so

waht does that mean

[marble meteor]

thats soul hunters

[vivid vessel]

and

[prisma vessel]

and? now im curious...

[marble meteor]

and i think they wont buff us with an aura with stats like that in aoe

[vivid vessel]

in aoe ?

3 targets

hm

[cedar kernel]

thats cleave

[vivid vessel]

you mean the only thing outlaw is good at ?

very low target count aoe ?

we arent even gapping anyone

hm

[zinc briar]

can someone please tell what aura are u talking about?

[marble meteor]

yes, cleave. exactly - hense they'd try to stop that gap growing.

[vivid vessel]

3 targets?

[keen belfry]

What gap does fake flowers see

[vivid vessel]

you realize there is a lot of numbers

[mighty pivot]

can't be too close to locks

[vivid vessel]

between 3

and all the otehr numbers

or

[cedar kernel]

24 targets

[marble meteor]

oh i know, but this is Blizz - if theres an outlier they'll hesitate on buffing everything.

[keen belfry]

Outlier where

[cedar kernel]

wait is it holiday for NA today?

[marble meteor]

that we are actually good at something

[vivid vessel]

waht outlier

[prisma vessel]

yesterday

[cedar kernel]

nice blizz begin to work, tuning soon

[marble meteor]

the fact there is a fight we are good at in current content, make me think they wont buff us unilaterally

[vivid vessel]

we are decent on the only 3 target boss in the game, with a talent that does specifically low target cleave

ye that would be stupid

outlaw aoe is litteraly trash

in fact its the lowest of the 3 rogue specs

[keen belfry]

How many outlaw logs even exist on that fight

[vivid vessel]

soul hunter doesnt tell you that uh

[late swallow]

damn fire mage is busted rn

[vivid vessel]

like 3

[daring oxide]

what the fuk happened here ???

[vivid vessel]

if they buff outlaw st

and compensate with another bf nerf

imma crash out

no cap

[tropic zephyr]

[marble meteor]

now youre thinking like a blizz dev

[late swallow]

honestly not even sure

they took that log down

[zinc briar]

They wont even think about us

They wont do any change to outlaw

[marble meteor]

A ST buff with a % reduction on the damage in BF, sounds horrific enough for Blizz to do.

[mighty pivot]

it was just a very good fire mage nothing sussy

[zinc briar]

Or its time to the stupid Buff of hidden op build

[marble meteor]

KIR needs a cool animation

[jolly geyser]

KiR prolly gone anyway

[mighty pivot]

a giant parrot flying above you dropping dice in a line

[marble meteor]

Heres my hot prediction of the future of Outlaw... we change to guns/bows and sit at midrange with the DH and Evokers

[slate forge]

They only aura buff ks only knob they have to tune

[agile orchid]

they need to significantly buff ST

they'll probably have to kill precise cuts

[mighty pivot]

15% more KS damage coming next week

[zinc briar]

0 changes to outlaw coming next week

[agile orchid]

I want to play outlaw in m+

[red zinc]

Lower ks cooldown so you can use it after one finisher

[agile orchid]

without feeling bad

[marble meteor]

eh? i mean we arent that bad in M+, im always competitive

[red zinc]

KS -> SS -> SS -> BTE -> KS loop

Pagman

[zinc briar]

Then low apm, no pls

[agile orchid]

compared to sub outlaw is dogshit

[slate forge]

Make it last 1 second per combo point and buff dmg by 500% I love doing nothing on my apm class

[red zinc]

make that 2

[mighty pivot]

make thousand cuts reset KS cooldown at 2 hasted ppm

[red zinc]

one ks cast for the whole fight lowkey

[agile orchid]

who needs one button rotation when you could have KS last 20 seconds

[marble meteor]

yeah but then you'd be playing sub and you'd feel dogshit cause its sub 🙂

[jolly geyser]

make mounts usable while KSing

[red zinc]

cowboy rogue

holy

[agile orchid]

sub doesn't feel dogshit, wdym

[red zinc]

bout to slide on dimensius’s block

[marble meteor]

does to me, that spec plays like hot garbage

[slate forge]

Remove KS being hasted too I want to shoot big gun real slow that’s the pirate way

[agile orchid]

add a reload animation between each shot

[jolly geyser]

manual reload

[zinc briar]

Change ks for an awp shot. Boooom! Headshot!

[marble meteor]

look at me, Im a sub player! I fart dark purple clouds and pretend im in stealth! watch me do a spin!

[slate forge]

Too high apm can’t have that

[zinc briar]

And put some nades for Big aoe

[agile orchid]

look at me I'm sub, unlike outlaw I do burst damage, I do good numbers in big aoe, small aoe and single target

[zinc briar]

CSGOutlaw

Pls blizz

[marble meteor]

im if numbers makes you feel good, then you should definitely switch over

[agile orchid]

gameplay is also good

[stiff vector]

how about they just simply make KS targeted so it doesnt completely fuck prio, then buff the spec by 10%...far from fixes the class but prob the best we can ask for at this point since theres 0 chance they actually iterate on the spec.

[marble meteor]

nope

[slate forge]

Best I can do is 50% ks aura buff and 5% bf nerf

[zinc briar]

Tbh, the real change shoud be that we always roll 2CP + CDR rolls + Random extra roll

[agile orchid]

I think outlaw will get a 5% buff

[marble meteor]

they arent fucking with rolls until the prepatch

[agile orchid]

and if you are lucky enough they won't touch BF

[zinc briar]

So they wont put us 2 nades?? For aoe?

[marble meteor]

GL peeps in your vaults

[slate forge]

They will buff PC so we have a “niche”

[zinc briar]

Someone told me that

[red zinc]

love when arguing about subjective things is only expressed in objective statements

[rotund zodiac]

vault sucks

[red zinc]

Shouldve done more delves for heroic sigil

[rotund zodiac]

sigil good?

[red zinc]

heroic sigil was slightly worse than mythic bis trinkies i think

on st

[rotund zodiac]

hope I get it on bounty delve

[red zinc]

antenuh

[hybrid crown]

im taking the antenna

[jolly geyser]

I believe

[keen belfry]

holy piss

netherprism for sub keys/raid?

[red zinc]

netherprism for taza hard mode sub

[stiff vector]

prism perfect for sub prison

[proven ocean]

https://wowutils.com/loot/playground/vault

sims ur vault

lmao

coolest website in the game

[red zinc]

unironically think prism is worth just to shitstomp taza hard mode

[old gull]

huge

[gaunt phoenix]

Why do sites need 4700 characters and options for cookies

let me click reject all optional cookies or some shit

fuckers

[red zinc]

cause they gotta hide the fact that you’re agreeing to sending them ball pics every coming thursday into perpetuity

[dreamy wing]

was tryin to find it in FAQ, but how important is our 4 piece?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's like 16-20% dmg

compared to removing tier

unless you mean 4pc specifcally and not 2pc

[dreamy wing]

just 4 piece, im at 3 and just havent not been able to loot a hero piece of either of the 2 slots i need yet xD

and havent had a vault piece yet

[gaunt phoenix]

idk how to answer this

4pc is good

its a bit different for fatebound and trickster and ilvl

[stiff vector]

Lucky I need dis so bad

[tight kernel]

Dude I want to take neck but 714 shoulder look juicy as well as myth claw

idk

if i take socket i cant feel bad about not taking any of the other ones

[stiff vector]

I mean can just get myth tier from raid

[copper radish]

Phat neck

[stiff vector]

And tbh I think claw kinda overrated

[ember goblet]

WTF my vault is a Sub rogues WET DREAM

[proven ocean]

got that last week

e

z

[jolly geyser]

pic

[gaunt phoenix]

there is so little gear from dungeons that is good it's kind of wack

[tight kernel]

wait we dont cata this week right

so prob neck

[proven ocean]

already wearing it i wont login just to show u lmao

just inspect my rio bozo

[jolly geyser]

nah I meant ogsimip

you typed too fast

[royal ermine]

worst vault right here

[covert kestrel]

Harvester's Edict 🐐

[late swallow]

mythic edict goes hard

[wise ridge]

Hello guys, blessed day for everyone. Wanna ask u for tips on this vault, im only raiding hero, but not all the time so, idk if i should grab the trinket or just full send the weap

[jolly geyser]

edict more edick

[proven ocean]

reacting to ur own msg is wild bro

[late swallow]

check the react

[covert kestrel]

[late swallow]

[indigo token]

i got a myth logic gate alpha

#balling

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[covert kestrel]

offhand is pretty weak overall, only if you wanna fuck around with sub/assa

[jolly geyser]

oh I gotta do more keys on my RET PALA btw

[gaunt phoenix]

mythic tier is hard to pass i think

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-gif-9601382266643672112

[gaunt phoenix]

assuming you can catalyze

[wise ridge]

Would be till next week tho

[covert kestrel]

is 707 myth

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[covert kestrel]

ok i forgots

then yeah take myth tier slots

[proven ocean]

what the helly

[covert kestrel]

dude why are you blasting our dms here

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/nxgqOOn.jpeg

did i cook

[gaunt phoenix]

meh

[covert kestrel]

secret technique for all those vers stackers in our parties

[late swallow]

[craggy quiver]

I got the crit/vers weap, not a bad vault yay

[red zinc]

just rely on it for haste cap and then realize it expired on last boss

(i know they fixed the 30min thing last week)

[covert kestrel]

thats so based

[copper radish]

Yall should do like a weekly contest of who got the best vault and who has the hardest decisions to make lol

[fading hatch]

offhand dagger still slightly better than sword if all else is the same? because of more instant poison procs? (forgetting the mace exists)

[craggy quiver]

Yes

[cinder haven]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[tight kernel]

Did cap not increase?

[fading hatch]

ty

[tight kernel]

uh?

[gaunt phoenix]

skill issue

[proven ocean]

relog noob

[cinder haven]

They broke the cap when trying to award the crests from delve quest I'm sure

[proven ocean]

no he was just logged in before reset

always happens

[tight kernel]

yo dont call me out like that

[gaunt phoenix]

skill issued

[cinder haven]

I like my explanation more

[proven ocean]

solo
[sim]
— 7:21 PM
skill issued

[cinder haven]

Even if it's false

[gaunt phoenix]

[sim]

[bright matrix]

My havoc dh was telling me I should turn off blade flurry when they pull funnel onto boss should I listen to them

[cinder haven]

Depends

[gaunt phoenix]

No funnel specs are rats

[cinder haven]

We have anti funnel

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel do you cancel bf for funnel specs

[cinder haven]

So getting rid of the adds fast will increase your st

[proven ocean]

he does yes

idk if he does in pugs tho

but in real groups he does

[cinder haven]

No way he does in pugs

[keen belfry]

outlaw kinda cooked for funnel specs woldo, hes technically right to say that but man that feels cooked

[cinder haven]

Still bf for deft, then cancel i guess

[proven ocean]

yea thats what he does

[keen belfry]

law was not made to play with funnel specs

[proven ocean]

not really

its really really good with funnel specs because it doesnt break funnel

xd

NA rogue spreading mis info again

bozo...

[keen belfry]

L bozo awang

i yoink any pug arcane mages funnel when i play with them

[tropic zephyr]

When you let ppl funnel do you insta break KS ? Seems cursed

[cinder haven]

Meanwhile we lose like 500k st if there's 8t

[jolly geyser]

sounds like gambit pull

[keen belfry]

trickster does?

[fading hatch]

!cudgel

!mace

[cinder haven]

Both trickster and fb i think

[gaunt phoenix]

!weaponswap

[ornate heath]

You can swap most weapons in keys. Outlaw swaps between the Nightfall event weapon for trash and a better offhand for bosses, such as Capo (change the name):

/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles```
If your offhand is the same name as your mainhand or you have two of them in your bags, then the above macro won't work, you have to swap by bag slot:
```#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 <bag #> <bag slot #>```
Note that **Gallywix's Iron Thumb** cannot be swapped in keys.

[keen belfry]

is tricksters dmg loss JUST ks random targetting?

[cinder haven]

Only simmed it for fb recently

Should double check for trickster

[keen belfry]

fb makes sense

id be surprised if trickster loses that much but ya never know

[cinder haven]

I'll sim it later

Too many vault sims now

[jolly geyser]

how long was the que?

[gaunt phoenix]

infinite

[jolly geyser]

back to local simming it is

[sullen wyvern]

another weekly vault, another dissapointment

[frail veldt]

Yeah but if you don't play with funnel specs then you end up with the big ad at 40% HP with all the tiny ads dead

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Or I position differently

Depends on the boss

Like first boss eco we bring adds in I just play the opposite side of them

But that's mostly for ks

I would cancel bf otherwise tho ye

[cinder haven]

So the adds are just there to make you do less st

[vivid vessel]

Well I don't play fatebound do

So

On most bosses I can position differently for ks

[cinder haven]

Don't you lose some st as trickster too?

[vivid vessel]

When we have funnel

Ye but it'd only ks

If you can out position ks

It's fine

[cinder haven]

Ah, you can game it yeah

[vivid vessel]

We also do a lot of pulling into bosses that isn't funnel necessarily

Like needs to dir

Die

Like on last boss eco dome

We pull half the map onto boss

I can assure you bf is turned on

Monksea is Perma in risk of dying

It needs to die

Still act as funnel somewhat tho

[chilly portal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[cinder haven]

So, what will outlaw funnel tech be in midnight?

[slate forge]

No bf cd in crackshot

[vivid vessel]

Hopefully they just make ks a normal ability dude

[jolly geyser]

crackshot spreads

[vivid vessel]

And it can stop being cringe

[slate forge]

Just have good rng

[cinder haven]

Make mg proc on any bf damage instance, always on your target but make it not flurry anymore

And scale proc chance with mastery

[jolly geyser]

they make ks wake of ashes and it does shit to other abilities

[stiff vector]

thats what I said...just make KS targetted, buff the spec by 10% and let us at least be mid until midnight

[proud dust]

If they just removed it random targeting id honestly be very happy with it

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic nice vault bro

[cinder relic]

thanks

[ember goblet]

how is sacbrood for outlaw? i've simmed it and it is not the best

[jolly geyser]

if you are under haste % its aight

[stiff vector]

dogshit vault again dagger and sub ring

guess im rly being shoved into sub prison

[ember goblet]

i got lily (myth) sacbrood (myth) and haste/mast ring

[stiff vector]

I mean guess dagger means I can just forgo crafting one so w/e

[jolly geyser]

arent you kinda trolling rn if you are outlaw for mythic raiding, I dont do m raid so idk

[stiff vector]

I mean youre kind atrolling if youre playing rogue in general outside of last 2 bosses so who cares

[jolly geyser]

oh

[keen belfry]

depends on content you do, outlaw is good enough for first 6

[cedar wyvern]

anythoughts on this trinket for outlaw

[keen belfry]

i dont think most ppl play the game at level where your spec really really matters

[young apex]

can you get a better nightfall offhand than adventurer (678)?

[keen belfry]

playing outlaw is suboptimal

[jolly geyser]

yea

[agile quiver]

[young apex]

followup: how?

[agile quiver]

yes, you can get a veteran from the weekly quest

as for how... be lucky, and make sure your loot spec is correct

[young apex]

tyvm

[stiff vector]

never lucky no 691 mace

im so cursed this tier

[willow portal]

where are the balance changes

[jolly geyser]

thurs or fri,metzen posted me naked thrall pic with confirmation

[strong halo]

How big of an upgrade is myth belt

[cinder relic]

THeres nothing to balance

[jolly geyser]

I dont agree

[inland acorn]

From delve belt ?

[jolly geyser]

unless bait

[strong halo]

Yeah

[inland acorn]

I simmed crafted vs delve and it was 0.5% on st

Probably slightly higher on dslice

[jolly geyser]

I simmed boe belt fully upgraded with trinkets I was curious about and it was there on top

belt itself was -2.7k in slice

but idk

[inland acorn]

with charged crystal or critical chain ?

[jolly geyser]

I got crit

I just bought the boe belt cause it was cheap on late friday ( )

[cinder relic]

Kinda bait kinda not

I genuinly think the DPS is pretty balanced this tier. Obviously outlaw sucks, but I don't really expect WCL to ever show that outlaw sucks enough to actually get it a buff it currently deserves

[jolly geyser]

sounds like a it is what it is, in that scenario atleast

[vivid vessel]

Im not too worried if you check hc

Which is what mythic will end up looking like anyway

[cinder relic]

BM at the bottom

[vivid vessel]

And like

If you look at boss damage

I don't wanna talk

[jolly geyser]

nah but I really expect some random tuning for us tbh

[vivid vessel]

And soul hunter is counted as boss damage

I can't even imagine

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

Like imagine if soul hunter wasn't there

Idk

We would be on another page bro

[frail veldt]

hahaha

genuinely though

[stiff vector]

so outlaw needs to suck more than it already does to deserve a buff

[jolly geyser]

its the last patch anyway thinking

[gaunt phoenix]

thinking

[jolly geyser]

idk if it was s1 people would say diff comments about tuning

omg outlaw cant be like that whole exp

[drowsy ridge]

I'm trying to explain to guildies why Outlaw isn't doing well, and I'm apparently not using the right words or explanations

[stiff vector]

I mean outlaw has been tuned like absolute dogshit outside of like the last few months of s2, for the entire xpac so far.

[wicked obsidian]

hm the pro player should stop playing ptr, so that there are no nerfs before going live. at ptr it’s always important to underperform 😄 i am only joking.