outlaw

[timid idol]

Do I just

Troll a poor guy's +10

And see what happens

Can I just play with hekili

[indigo token]

i mean

[willow portal]

yes

[lone spear]

its not trolling, its "learning"

[indigo token]

i did a 10 last night with hekili on sin

[willow portal]

thats what i did twice now

[indigo token]

it was ok

[willow portal]

second one looked like that:

[timid idol]

For me yes

For that guy's key no

[lone spear]

we all start somewhere friend

10s are piss now anyway

[timid idol]

Ye they are

At worst I get carried

[willow portal]

i mean i cant kick or use cc yet when i play sub

but once rota is memorized the rest will also improve

[light dune]

Should I still run cursed stone idol on big dungeons like ara or priory? my dslice sims are telling me that netherprism/antenna is just the best but I know we like the stone idol for uncapped damage. (all trinks are same ilvel)

[timid idol]

Also

Idk if I asked this already but

Do I still keep switching to cudgel if I have myth weapons or nah

[quaint sable]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fathom bramble]

We were having 0 issues with boss damage in any respect so I just did the most to pylons I could and let the burn be whatever it happened to be

I think the most I did was not send ghostly on an almost dead pylon

and not send anything on him before the amp starts after the pylons are dead

[willow portal]

hm

kk

[fathom bramble]

as long as he is getting to 15% and phasing on the 2nd burn it doesn't really matter

other classes can carry that portion of the fight while we do adds and pylons

[daring oxide]

i had such a weird moment today, was just daydreaming at work and my brain started playing this movie:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

then just started giggling thinking about outlaw channel

must be mental illness

[lone spear]

outlaw brainrot

[daring oxide]

yup

[indigo token]

its a very good gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[timid idol]

yea no this aint happening

i'd rather sin

that one is much more straight forward

put dot -> watch paint dry

[lone spear]

thats fair, diff preferences and all

i went through dust sub, so this version of sub is piss

legit just follow core stuff in cds

then can jorkin

[timid idol]

i have almost 8mil on sin

fair fair

[fierce trout]

Any weak aura gurus here? Im using Guy's but i want my energy bar to not show through when i open the map

[twilit rivet]

Set the strata to low

Or background

Whatever sounds the lowest

[fierce trout]

tyvm

[burnt dragon]

me looking at what off gcd cooldowns im supposed to press for the 7th time on my other monitor

[timid idol]

so

probably better to ask this in the sin channel but if i want to have an easier time tracking debuffs are there was for that or should i mess with my plater

[lone spear]

lmao real, took me a bit to get it

[burnt dragon]

and to remember what i bound it to

[lone spear]

but now can do off memory alone, and thats progress

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-holy-moly-its-the-first-of-the-month-gif-17976202843188195954

[willow portal]

whats the chance to roll 5 bufffs?

[lone spear]

ur late, american

[lone spear]

2%ish i think

[wintry solar]

bros living in February

[lone spear]

no, just living anywhere else in the world

[wintry solar]

Europes the easiest country to ragebait fr

[lone spear]

nice try with the europe country

but im australian

[wintry solar]

whatever are you talking about?

¿ʇnoqɐ ƃuᴉʞlɐʇ noʎ ǝɹɐ ɹǝʌǝʇɐɥʍ

[winter cave]

Of fuck I just realised that I was using ambush all the time in stealth windows cause I forgot to change my builder macro for stealth

[willow portal]

best feeling to roll a 5 on pull and know that we will int this pull

[winter cave]

fme

[fathom bramble]

I miss simply rolling a 5 all the time

[wintry solar]

Loktark

I had a dream about outlaw rework

[lone spear]

nah, 5 rolling all the time is only good once an expansion

[fathom bramble]

did it include 2 charges of AR

or?

[lone spear]

did we have infinite energy?

[wintry solar]

it made uhuh grant 8 seconds of adr and the gsw capstone was replaced with a talent that cut the CD in half and the tree was designed in a way you couldnt take crackshot build and that talent.

there was also a new version of ghostly strike and ghostly strike was renamed to subtlety strike and moved to the class tree

[vagrant saddle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lone spear]

you guys ever think that we are living in the worst of times

and soon we will move to the best of rogue times

when we get the real rework for sure 100% in midnight

[fathom bramble]

I instead constantly think about the chance that the worst of times are soon to come

[lone spear]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[wintry solar]

idk if it can actually get worse

[willow portal]

maybe i just have to preroll in chat before each pull

[wintry solar]

its def the worst its been

[lone spear]

this tbh. not only do we suck but im also starting to get bored

with the shitty design

there is no novelty left

i only see the flaws

i have become numb to the crack of crackshot

[wintry solar]

idrc if what we have next is as fun or less fun than crackshot, I just want something that ages and doesnt cause so much friction

[lone spear]

yea, i also hope that at least sub also gets some attention

making it less all about CDs

and letting some other talents shine

[fathom bramble]

I feel like the stuff they would have to do to make me like sub would make actual sub players hate it

[lone spear]

idk, i think it doesnt need to be so boring out of cds

[fathom bramble]

yeah I agree

[lone spear]

i think some way of like, building up to the big CD window would feel cool and thematic

like you're stalking your target

finding weak points

rather than the build up now being "dont use finisher for 20 seconds so u can have coup for cds"

[quaint mauve]

i feel like i’ve gotten better with my buffs

i feel like i’ve been able to KiR into KiR pretty often

[lone spear]

always a good feeling when you can get it

[fathom bramble]

I was hesitant to kind of agree with this since it sounds so extreme, but I do think I would rather be playing almost any previous version of outlaw

gameplay aside it's also the least effective I've ever felt in mythic progression raiding

[quaint mauve]

i feel like they need to address how KS and trickster work together now

It feels so bad in keys when I have to switch targets and my dmg just tanks bc they’re not fazed or w/e

[willow portal]

4th rogue spec when

[lone spear]

this is legit why i was thinking about the smokebomb talent in the tree

testing it tho i dont think it is worth at all

but man is it cool

[quaint mauve]

i had the same thought

but yeah

[fathom bramble]

fazed just shouldn't be a debuff

idk why it is

[quaint mauve]

it sucks it doesn’t work

[quaint mauve]

it should be a buff no?

would fix so much

imo

[lone spear]

we had this problem with BtE

[fathom bramble]

it should either be a buff or the mechanic just shouldn't exist entirely

[lone spear]

and they fixed it

shruge

[quaint mauve]

also yeah bro i wish smoke bomb was good bc i think it’s so cool for class fantasy

[fathom bramble]

like there's no reason why fazed has to actually exist

every part of the tree works fine without it

and in normal gameplay it only ever provides frustration not payoff

[lone spear]

i think you could even just keep the debuff, but have it only be the parry thing

if they really cared

[quaint mauve]

also if literally on hero talent being changed on fb side would make it so much more viable

in more content

the coin doing more dmg to one target and losing dmg based on amount of mobs near it

idk the name

[fathom bramble]

yeah already get massively diminished coin value in aoe thanks to armor

we didn't need 2 things reducing it

[quaint mauve]

it’s just so weird we get literally the most disgusting set of hero talents possible

i woulda liked deathstalker.

[fathom bramble]

deathstalker also has its own "Why is this a debuff" problem

[quaint mauve]

yeahhh but it’s a better debuff than fazed imo

and i think it functions better in m+

[dawn talon]

you know it's dogshit when someone talks about ds favourably

[quaint mauve]

literally just remove delivered doom in fb tree and make it a 1 hour tricks heh….

[unreal forge]

i struggle with outlaw in single target is there any tips i can get?

[quaint mauve]

struggle in which way

[unreal forge]

just the dps feels superrrr low

[quaint mauve]

how low compared to your sim

[unreal forge]

im not sure. i run m+ and the boss damage is low

aoe is pretty good though

[lone spear]

our ST isnt the best in keys

[quaint mauve]

sim your m+ set up for ST no raid buffs

we don’t do huge ST

[unreal forge]

that honestly could be the issue

[quaint mauve]

dark times man… dark times….

[waxen scarab]

can we evasion soulhunters blade dance?

[lone spear]

i havent intentionally tested it, but it being chaos damage makes me instinctively say no

however test it in LFR if you're curious and let us know!

[vivid vessel]

damp?

[lone spear]

dampening? pvp?

[gaunt phoenix]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[lone spear]

bro hit the

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[gaunt phoenix]

Cloak

[lone spear]

i gotta be more liberal with cloak usage, i died a couple times to the frailty bug and for sure coulda used it

[vivid vessel]

pvp

[cinder relic]

The spec is literally designed to be entierly around CDs though

[vivid vessel]

[lone spear]

yea, but the gameplay being more boring than sin out of CDs is kinda lame

i get that not everything needs to be outlaw levels of constant rotational gameplay

[quaint mauve]

zac what’s the highest key you’ve timed

[lone spear]

but not pressing a finisher/using black powder on ST for up to 20 seconds? naaaah

[quaint mauve]

:p

@vivid vessel

[next wedge]

a 19

just look on raiderio

[quaint mauve]

brooo

i don’t get how to like live

[lone spear]

gotta not die

[vivid vessel]

22

[cinder relic]

Its not boring though

[quaint mauve]

everything hurts so much

[cinder relic]

The spec has infinite flexability in a mythic raid setting

[vivid vessel]

nvm

32

i think

in df

[cinder relic]

Its profile is absurdly useful for raid

[vivid vessel]

it ws 32 keys

[quaint mauve]

i did mean this season :p

[vivid vessel]

ye just 19 then

[quaint mauve]

im having a lot of survivability problems now

[vivid vessel]

but we played like

2 days

we havent had time yet

[quaint mauve]

pushing 14-15 range

[vivid vessel]

cause im progging every day

and my tank works on weekend

[wintry solar]

but it has infinite flexibility in a mythic raid setting

[willow portal]

lets go

[vivid vessel]

so we basically play like 2 nights a week

kekw

we could have timed 20s already i think

keys are kinda easy

rn

[lone spear]

did you say INFINITE FLEXIBILITY?

[quaint mauve]

do u like have feint at 100% uptime

??

[vivid vessel]

nah like 40/60

[cinder relic]

I mean yeah thats super fun to actually feel in control of your damage

You don't lose damage for moving shit

You can be useful at any point of an encounter without it "losing" you anything

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-goku-dbz-dragon-ball-super-saiyan-gif-8246706

INFINITE FLEXIBILITY

[quaint mauve]

okok i need to work on this ig

i feel like im randomly dying to nothing

and dying on ol

[lone spear]

i think its....interesting as a spec design to have little-to-no gameplay be a valid option for optimal play

[quaint mauve]

is like getting both your knees bashed in

especially if your adr is on cd

[wintry solar]

thats because outlaw doesnt have infinite flexibility

[willow portal]

guys i am top 26 on araz mythic

[wintry solar]

show

[fathom bramble]

you don't like being borderline afk for 20 seconds before every blades?

[cinder relic]

Theres only 1 situations where you do this, and its 10-20 seconds before your major CDs, and that's because the specs resources are on a charge system

[willow portal]

literally posted a screenshot a minute ago

:)

[lone spear]

cant say that i do, no

[wintry solar]

you mind explaining this?

why tf you not locked in?

[quaint mauve]

the dmg is so high yet the parses so low

wowzers

[willow portal]

[willow portal]

wdym low parse, literally top 26

[quaint mauve]

no im like talking abt everyone

[willow portal]

bunch of slackers imo

4 mythic on a 4 raid day guild

pog

well we reduce to 3 day now as we stopped the splits

[waxen scarab]

guys, second coup de grace we send or build cp?

[lone spear]

depends if you can build up w/o using SS

i.e using pistol shot or blade flurry* (with deft) (its 5am i need to sleep)

[waxen scarab]

bf or ps

[lone spear]

yuh

[waxen scarab]

ok ty

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

i didnt realize how long the flying is on dimensuis

we get fucked over so hard lol

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's like 20 years

[vivid vessel]

its like 30/40s bro

i have time to get all my cds back as sub

its crazy

[tight kernel]

zac proggin myth dimmy?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[tight kernel]

damn nice

[vivid vessel]

dimencocker

[lone spear]

[tight kernel]

how many pulls on saladbar

[hasty warren]

u play as sub ?

[vivid vessel]

167

of course

[fathom bramble]

2nd to last boss is twice the pull count of 1-6 combined

[hasty warren]

idk maybe u"re maso

[fathom bramble]

glad we are so good for the last 2

[lone spear]

"we"

[hasty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-our-now-gif-21036569

[fathom bramble]

it's just such a joke

[lone spear]

"OUR clunky burst spec"

[fathom bramble]

and some people will probably still tell me outlaw was secretly op this season thanks to the bosses we pad on

[lone spear]

i told my guild about the opener bug

and now they think im op

brother im bug abusing to not be down with moonkin

[fathom bramble]

below moonkin on the last 2 anyway

[lone spear]

for real

[hasty warren]

PC on soulbinder ns araz 🙂

[fathom bramble]

'good' on araz when the boss takes 2 pulls 👌

[hasty warren]

i saw on outlaw with it in my reclear raid

[inland acorn]

It sucks so badly that we have option of padding with low boss dam

[lone spear]

its reclear pad allowed 🤝

[inland acorn]

Or go fb and still do shit boss dam, because we lose damage from adds

10/10 design

[vivid vessel]

my non raider m+ camarades

were confused when i said outlaw suck hard in raid

xd

cayuse you open wcl and its topping

[inland acorn]

And then u switch to boss dam

And need magnifying glass to find outlaw

[old python]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lone spear]

its ok, a few more hours and we'll see

the huge 2.7% aura buff

(3% would be too much)

[fathom bramble]

trickster node that reduces KS CD needs to be changed to like 50%

or something

[lone spear]

i can forsee like, giga buff to unseen blade damage

to buff trickster ST

[quiet root]

or no changes

[lone spear]

let us be delulu please sir

[random obsidian]

thats too much tho

[lone spear]

dont yank me back to reality

[random obsidian]

maybe nerf bf by 5% to compensate

[fathom bramble]

the problem is that the kinds of changes they needed to do to properly compensate for KS changes aren't what they would normally do in the middle of a patch

just messing with the numbers won't really be a satisfying fix even if it can put trickster back where it should be

[lone spear]

i doubt they even will do any radical changes

[willow portal]

surely we get a fat buff

[lone spear]

until midnight

why fiddle with it now when its 100% getting reworked

[willow portal]

please blizz make people meta reroll outlaw

[fathom bramble]

given what the warcraftlogs stack looks like it's just as likely that we just get nothing

[dawn talon]

people donn't reroll onto rogue generally

[daring yacht]

So like I thought my damage was just bad until I came here where I learned two things about rogue

1. It’s so overly complicated for a shit dps

2. It’s a dogshit dps class bottom of the barrel

[fathom bramble]

it would be hilarious to have a tier or a fight where sin/sub players have to learn outlaw

[sudden fulcrum]

blaming the class for your own skill issues

[daring yacht]

No the meters don’t lie it’s at the bottom of the barrel

[sudden fulcrum]

no, you are

there's a difference

[daring yacht]

Not me rogue is

Outlaw mainly

Sub is baller

[lone spear]

i wouldnt call it baller

its just as bad as outlaw if it wasnt for the damage amps

on last 2 and forge

[fathom bramble]

if sub didn't have 2 fights that are designed perfectly for it then it would be pretty dire

the 2 most important fights

[random stirrup]

its just as bad as outlaw... if it wasn't for the damage amps and the add spawns at perfect timings on the 2 real fights of the tier

[fathom bramble]

it's just what can happen when your spec actually has strengths

even if theoretically undertuned you can be very good in raid still

[waxen scarab]

talents for nexus king?

[lone spear]

moreso if those strengths are useful

[daring yacht]

But outlaw ive just been having a bad time with it

I’m going back to my frost dk easily pulling high dos

[lone spear]

outlaw has good pad, but that isnt useful

our soul hunters damage is good but thats about it

our weaknesses really outshine any potential strengths this raid

[pastel cedar]

if we get coup de grace proc with 4 set tier but we are in subterfuge do we send or wait until subterfuge is over?

[daring yacht]

Just send it

[raven apex]

/cast [nostealth]
work for vanish macro ?

[random stirrup]

wait until subterfuge is over

[raven apex]

or is there any other way to stop using my 2 charge ?

[lone spear]

theres an internal cooldown on it, it should be pretty hard to cast twice

[raven apex]

I just check my log and sometimes it happen 😄

kinda rare but it happen so i want to avoid it 100%

[gaunt phoenix]

if you somehow get the 2nd coup inside stealth but not the first im not sure if you send it or let it go

[fathom bramble]

this was also the first time since council of shivarra that we got a cleavable council boss that actually overlapped with outlaws cleave being good

[vivid vessel]

wdym bro, flatline damag is a big strenght

i dont understand bro

[raven apex]

like here

[waxen scarab]

nexus king mythic st build?

[fathom bramble]

fatebound ST

or just give up and go sub idk

[waxen scarab]

never

outlaw ftw

[lone spear]

glad your guild approves

[waxen scarab]

looool

[lone spear]

me and the other rogue got told "sub or bench"

[fathom bramble]

should have formed a union

they can't bench both of you

[vivid vessel]

if they are both outlaw

they sure can

[lone spear]

when the french is telling you not to union

you know its doomed

[fathom bramble]

outlaw will also continue to look strong on the stack until we get outlaw kills on the last 2

and then straight to the bottom

[vagrant saddle]

IF we get outlaw kills on the last 2

[lone spear]

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=2 Vanish, 5

you can use this macro btw

[fathom bramble]

I know Zac and I will be outlaw only on reclears

so there's that at least

[raven apex]

Is this better than [nostealth] ?

considering the fact you wont use in any scenario a charge of vanish when you are stealth

[lone spear]

idk ive never used that

but this will put a delay on recasting no matter what

[raven apex]

will try both of them so thanks 🙂

[lone spear]

np

[lone spear]

i will tank this hit brothers

(when we get to kill in 5 weeks xdd)

[lone spear]

im hoping they are smart enough to not just look at the stack and actually check the rest of the fights

[dim sky]

For the Hidden opportunity build, is there a different stat distribution?

[lone spear]

it only needs ~9% haste from gear to hit the haste requirement, but it can like more depending on sim

[quaint mauve]

you guys wanna see my steak

[lean root]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lone spear]

sure

unless you've already eaten it

in which case i dont wanna see it being digested

[sudden fulcrum]

looks great nice job

[waxen scarab]

looks insane

this + bicep eater

[quaint mauve]

this was better than my last attempt for sure

[lone spear]

yum

[shy pecan]

is warpclaw oversimming? It barely reaches 1.5-7% overall in keys less dmg than stone idol active

[quaint mauve]

stone idol active is op

[gaunt phoenix]

very slightly probably

cuz the aoe of it is kind of narrow

but it wont do more than 2%

stone idol is op uncapped but it does cost you 1.5 globals ish

[vivid vessel]

uncapped

[quaint mauve]

it’s not like your gonna do more dmg in 1.5 globals outve stealth

in aoe atleast

:p

[gaunt phoenix]

No but the stone idol dmg is not entirely free is all

[lucid sandal]

Subtlety is a lot like outlaw I feel

Except it has 0 DPS out of CDs and insane CDs

[unkempt smelt]

do we send double coup from tier set on low or high cp?

[lucid sandal]

But reducing dance and sec Tec CDs with finishers is literally just restless blades

[gaunt phoenix]

both. you send it early if you would have to press SS

but you can build with opp/bf/ar/gs

[unkempt smelt]

thank you solo!

[lofty sand]

What yall think about reworking mastery, so it increases the chance of getting additional buffs per % of mastery

[lone spear]

could work, though many things would need changing

would be strange to run mastery trinkets like lily this tier

and have to roll during it cause of the high chance to hit buffs

[lucid sandal]

Interesting idea but I feel like it'd be missing a damage component

[lofty sand]

it would probably have a threshold like haste to have a exact amount of mastery for highest dps

[lone spear]

oh boy, i get to juggle 2 stat caps

[lofty sand]

but then it would be ass cuz you need to play around 2 threshold so haste scaling would need to be reworked

[lucid sandal]

[craggy barn]

nah id rather it just increase the effectiveness of the buffs instead of another chance thing

% chance scaling is kinda ass

[lofty sand]

felt good last tier imo

[craggy barn]

yea but that was a flat increase on a tier set

not a scaling value forcing u to do weird stat shit

[lofty sand]

yeah thats why im saying haste scaling would need to be reworked

[lone spear]

agreege, i also dont like moving towards a world where rolls are meaningless

since we can usually have them all up

[lucid sandal]

This would make pull to pull variance a little insane

Go full mastery and pray you don't get shit rolls

[lofty sand]

well if all would have around the same value and rotation changes by it then it'd be fine i think

[craggy barn]

mastery should just be raw multi strike effectivenes, and we get a baseline passive that gives multi strike from crit

[sage saddle]

how important is it to have a dagger in offhand in raid on pure ST?

[craggy barn]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[true cedar]

Matery value already so high we should make it higher tbh

would make us unstopable

[craggy barn]

its not super important

[true cedar]

[tight obsidian]

!sim

[misty cave]

Yo are there any high key outlaw players out here whoi can help me? Most season I push high keys, 17-18s, and I just have a really hard time figuring out outlaw. I find myself bottom damage meter by a 20-30% margin almost every dungeon. Im a seasoned rogue player and dont know what im doing wrong

[hasty warren]

u can ask @vivid vessel maybe

[misty cave]

These are my last 2 damage splits, is there any clear indication of what im doing wrong based on this?

[shy pecan]

step 1 take screenshots

[daring oxide]

how do i do a death log

where i include holy priests angel forms

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar have u listened to underground UK rap…

[daring oxide]

so they dont escape review

[misty cave]

I see for example Tomelvis is pushing a lot more between the eyes than me, but I dont really know how

[daring oxide]

he has more ace procs on his account

[shy pecan]

where is coup

[digital nexus]

hi guys, im progging soul hunters at the mo and dont usually play outlaw but vanish isnt activating subterfuge for me about 50% of the time, is this a known bug or am i doing something wrong?

[quaint mauve]

can’t be that, his dmg looks like really really low

[shy pecan]

do not use a trinket out of stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

That;s when you break vanish with a trinket

[quaint mauve]

what key lvl is this at

[misty cave]

This pretty low keys, like 13s 14s

[quaint mauve]

you have to be doing something wrong with your rotation

send log

[knotty needle]

step 1 press the print screen button instead of using your phone

[digital nexus]

it must be netherprism

[misty cave]

Not on my computer atm jeeeeez

[quaint mauve]

do you have it macrod to vanish?

[digital nexus]

yeah doh lol

[quaint mauve]

do u remember your adr uptime?

[quaint mauve]

that’s why then :p

same thing happened to me when i had signet macrod

[misty cave]

Averaging about 70% adr uptime

[quaint mauve]

that’s also why

should be reaching for 90%*

95% + even

[misty cave]

So fixing that will easily bring me way higher on damage, or give a slight increase?

[quaint mauve]

and your adr uptime is usually determined by how well you do your rotation

[quaint mauve]

70% -> 90% or higher is a huge dps increase

[quiet root]

difference between 70% and 90% is night and day

[quaint mauve]

this was 96% uptime

[quiet root]

but the way to fix it is to "just" do everything better

[knotty needle]

4head

[quiet root]

because everything about the whole rotation feeds into adr uptime

[misty cave]

So im bigtime fucking up my rotation then?

[gilded dawn]

yo guys - trickster m+ is it just straight up bad to drop a coup de grace proc during subterfuge? do you just dump between the eyes with comboints instead?

[quaint mauve]

assuming so yes

or you’re wasting cdr

which is also considered fucking up your rotation

[quiet root]

either that or your uptime on mobs is somehow low, but it's probably your rotation

[quiet root]

yes always bte

[quaint mauve]

bte is always gonna be more
dmg

[gilded dawn]

do you even bother with dispatch on stealth bars then

[misty cave]

Thanks a lot, I guess il lget working on it!

[quaint mauve]

but you never wanna be in the spot where coup comes up in stealth

unless it’s necessary to keep adr up

[gilded dawn]

this is the side to outlaw i wanna learn. I have no fucking idea when coup is coming

sometimes it procs as i get 2nd vanish stack and i feel bad af

[quaint mauve]

install the weakaura

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quiet root]

get zac's unseen blade tracker

[shy pecan]

+1

[quaint mauve]

unseen blade tracker

jona your pfp disturbs me so
much

[shy pecan]

xd

https://tenor.com/view/cereal-funny-laugh-explode-milk-gif-7566949

[misty cave]

which WA I gotta get?

[quaint mauve]

for coup?

unseen blade

i use all zacs weakauras personally

he’s my uhhh idol or whatever

[gilded dawn]

So how do you manage these stacks vs vanish windows? I've got the basics down but im missing so much dmg and this must be one of the big reasons

[covert kestrel]

i wish i loved anything as much as you love this screenshot

[quaint mauve]

this was my peak bro

can you let me just reminisce

[quiet root]

what dungeon was it even

[quaint mauve]

i almost had a chance to beat it but my tank wanted to kill me 3 times in one pull in eco dome

[quaint mauve]

priory

[quaint mauve]

i did 7.2 overall after literally doing 0 dmg entire first pull

i didn’t do dmg until first boss

[quiet root]

pressing SS makes one of the top bars move to the bottom. once you make 4 bars on the bottom, coup comes up. the top bars appear on a 20-second timer normally, and you get 2 extra top bars by pressing KS.

so, if you have more than 4 bars combined between top and bottom, you press SS until coup comes up, coup twice, and only then go into vanish

[viscid forge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quiet root]

other rules still apply though, but playing the coup minigame usually has priority over vanish

unless AR about to fall off and bla bla bla

[gilded dawn]

okay, fun!

thakns mate

learning rogue is afucking rabbit hole man

[quaint mauve]

wait is it really worth using ss over a spender in that case?

[quiet root]

no that's what i mean by other rules still apply

though sometimes if only 1 ss is needed i'll do it at 6 or even 7 cp

but it's full feelcraft

[cinder haven]

Sims neutral iirc

At least at 6cp

But SS has very high prio outside subt if you have ub charges

[quaint mauve]

you’re like the sim mastermind

holy shit

[cinder haven]

I sim a lot at least, that’s for sure

[keen belfry]

who is this

[slate forge]

me

[quaint mauve]

LOLOLOL

people are hearing the truth….

[proper veldt]

lol

[dawn talon]

u havin fun playing arcane

im still gearing my guy

[keen belfry]

yeah geared it up yesterday

[dawn talon]

im a lil chopped

[keen belfry]

soul windows r fun

[dawn talon]

twin

wait how we got almost identical gear

[keen belfry]

uwu

[stiff vector]

this is cursed, dont play keys for a week and im just perma declined in lfg

[outer brook]

outlaw ftw

[quaint mauve]

I HATE YALL ( triple arcane keys soon?)

[dawn talon]

bro wait til you see what i had to do

for that parapodia

i lost my soul in the ecodome and i don't mean arcane soul

😟

[bright crane]

Getting back from a 2 week vaca on Friday 😭

[buoyant cosmos]

Can I stop stacking vers

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[buoyant cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/be-happy-gif-4360623183969069545

[white marten]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[white marten]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[frail veldt]

Bro you should see how many people apply when you list something 14+

It's ridiculous

And now I know why I don't get accepted

It's literally like 100 applications

[buoyant cosmos]

15 flood is crazy for some reason

[fallow hinge]

shame you can't apply to my 14s :(

I'd inv u

[frail veldt]

Are you an EUer

[fallow hinge]

of course

[frail veldt]

Big shame

It's so lonely on NA

[fallow hinge]

it's well established that I am a drinker of tea and eater of crumpet

[frail veldt]

Wowww

Beans and all?

[tight kernel]

How annoying is it to recraft between sub and outlaw

[frail veldt]

How many tins you got in the pantry

[fallow hinge]

I don't have a pantry

[frail veldt]

Lol I just call the pantry the cupboard where I keep my snacks and cans

[fallow hinge]

our houses are designed to store food in a more intuitive manner than just "shove it all in a walk in cupboard and figure it out from there"

[frail veldt]

What does that mean

Where do you put your food?

I don't have a walk in pantry either I just use it as a general term probably incorrect thoughb

[fallow hinge]

I have 4 tins of baked beans, 3 tins of condensed cream of chicken soup, some other kind of soup, some red kidney beans, butter beans, and probably a few others

[frail veldt]

Hell yeah

[fallow hinge]

in cupboards and stuff under the counter or over the counter

I even had beans on toast for dinner today

[frail veldt]

Yeah that's how I do it too lol that's just called not having a big house

[dawn talon]

i listed a 12 on my mage and got up for like 30 seconds to refill my water

[frail veldt]

Toast for dinner???

[dawn talon]

and had ~70 applicants

[frail veldt]

Crazy

People need to list their own keys more

[fallow hinge]

I'm too anxious to be hungry

[dawn talon]

i mean i get it

im sitting on 14 halls on my mage

and i don't want to do it

and im not going to get invited to a 14 to reroll it

but i don't rly want to downgrade it either bc it's big io

[fallow hinge]

I'm 60 score from 3k, and getting a db 13 would get me almost all the way there

[dawn talon]

so im just pondering running it

[quaint mauve]

hi

the best players in this server r NA

[buoyant cosmos]

lots of people are stuck on halls, you could probably put together a group looking for resli 14s

[slate forge]

MY KEY AWANG

[quaint mauve]

(me and awang)

[frail veldt]

Let's triple outlaw with wang then

[quaint mauve]

i’m so down

@keen belfry

[frail veldt]

Wang is picky though I don't think he will

[quaint mauve]

he’s too busy playing mage

idk

[fallow hinge]

that's because Halls is the most annoying dungeon in the pool

[quaint mauve]

it’s so fun

3rd boss is so hard though

imo

[fallow hinge]

as a mage, I hate it

[frail veldt]

Bad take what

It's dawn

100000%

[quaint mauve]

“as a mage”

[fallow hinge]

nah I prefer dawn to halls

[quaint mauve]

AGREED

[frail veldt]

And close 2nd worst is streets

[fallow hinge]

too many kicks in halls

[frail veldt]

That's it?

Kicking sounds like a tank issue

[fallow hinge]

I find Streets hella easy now tbh

[quaint mauve]

bro the kicks r nothing , 3rd boss dps check is hard

[frail veldt]

Streets is bad not hard

[fallow hinge]

like I'm happy to see a streets when we're trying to push a key

[quaint mauve]

i keep ending up with no lanterns left

[stiff vector]

god do I fucking hate menagerie boss in streets, such a fucking grief melee boss

[quaint mauve]

and bricking

[quaint mauve]

TRUEEE

[buoyant cosmos]

run out, knjocked away, run out

chained

[frail veldt]

This whole xpac is melee grief

[slate forge]

Awang gapped

[buoyant cosmos]

🙂

[fallow hinge]

yeah I'm playing mage this season, is there an issue?

[quaint mauve]

you wouldn’t wanna hear my thoughts

:p

about mage players

and why they’re blacklisted from my keys

[fallow hinge]

blah blah blah mage bad hurr durr

[quaint mauve]

:p

[fallow hinge]

it's old at this point

[keen belfry]

dude...

[stiff vector]

the knock is actually so fucking dumb, why am I Getting perma knocked from 10 feet away...like that shit only exists to grief melee

[quaint mauve]

it’s a fair stereotype below a certain io range

[fallow hinge]

you can say that about literally every class though, especially the ones that tend to be meta

[quaint mauve]

and the 5 second spin the 3rd part of the fight does

[frail veldt]

Mage does have quite a disparity between good and bad players of the class

[buoyant cosmos]

The guy who made that one was also in charge of the forgeweaver pylons

[frail veldt]

Just like rogue tbh

[buoyant cosmos]

100%

[frail veldt]

FUUUUUUCK those

So unnecessarily annoying

[fallow hinge]

just like rogue, and shadow, and balance, and <insert spec>

[frail veldt]

Nah

Good vs bad ret isn't that big a difference

Same with warlock or spriest etc

[fallow hinge]

idk, I've seen some giga trash rets and shadows

[frail veldt]

Or war, ele, enhance

I mean there's trash yeah

But I mean the difference isn't as huge as mage

[fallow hinge]

and I've seen a lock that finished a 12 flood under the tank with 0 deaths

[frail veldt]

Mage has hard defensive buttons

[quaint mauve]

but certain classes just play themselves

[frail veldt]

So bad players just die af

[quaint mauve]

mage is very difficult to live on

[frail veldt]

And do piss damage cuz they're panicking

[quaint mauve]

what mewo is saying

[fallow hinge]

eh

[frail veldt]

Mage is a hard class

Compared to some others

[fallow hinge]

I find mage hella tanky, but I'm coming from MM last season, so

[frail veldt]

Yeah it is tanky

If you're good at it

[quaint mauve]

bad mages r permanent death screen

[frail veldt]

But I'm not saying it's not tanky just that it's squishy if you're bad

[quaint mauve]

and there’s like no middle ground imo

[frail veldt]

Ye fr

I won't invite a mage below a 13

They're just gonna be last in DPS and dead all the time

[random stirrup]

Good pug mages (even last time I was pugging title range) are so rare

[quaint mauve]

there’s one mage i play with regularly

[frail veldt]

Very yeah

[fallow hinge]

alter blink blink spatial mass barrier regular barrier ice cold mass invis images... we had 2 dps dead for a swampface pull and I didn't run out of defensives for like... the whole 7 minutes of the boss fight

[random stirrup]

So so rare compared to other classes

[stiff vector]

the cope about mage being hard to live on is so funny

[fallow hinge]

love playing the mage atm

[frail veldt]

Mage is super fun yeah

[fallow hinge]

but I also don't pug ever so

[quaint mauve]

yo do u mind if i dm you

[frail veldt]

I mean compare it to rogue and everything is

[fallow hinge]

I don't have to worry about exceedingly terrible players often

[frail veldt]

Rogue(especially outlaw) is like the easiest defensive kit in the game

Fr fr

[quaint mauve]

i’ve played with interesting players this season

[frail veldt]

I'm on that pug life

[random stirrup]

Pov 40% vers walking around

[frail veldt]

Did you see my SS of the warlock using OBR in a 13 doing 4 mil overall

[quaint mauve]

• permanent feint basically

[keen belfry]

cant believe u called me a bad mage

[quaint mauve]

awang

[keen belfry]

hey

[quaint mauve]

triple ol….

[fallow hinge]

tbf I have like 27% vers atm as mage

that certainly helps

[frail veldt]

That's a lot

[random stirrup]

ya arcane does stack it a bit

[fallow hinge]

mage likes vers rn

[keen belfry]

triple law

[fallow hinge]

arcane and frost both love it

[strong halo]

You should never expect a mage to top though

[fallow hinge]

you don't bring an arcane to top meters

[strong halo]

But like mages are unkillable

[frail veldt]

Sure but not last by a huge margin

[frail veldt]

Good mages*

[fallow hinge]

you bring them to delete funnel targets and bosses

[slate forge]

He had some rough competition

[strong halo]

They should be last by like 1m+ tbh

Target capped + pure prio

[frail veldt]

That's fine yeah 1mil

[fallow hinge]

tbf I'm playing frost more atm

[frail veldt]

In my experience I beat them by like 3 mil usually lol

That's not okay

[strong halo]

Well I’m speaking arcane

Frost should be on par

[fallow hinge]

I lucked into better frost gear and the rotation feels a bit less... anemic than arcane

[frail veldt]

Frost should be on par???

Hahahaha

[strong halo]

Not target capped

[frail veldt]

Aite imma have to talk to my friend

Lolol

[fallow hinge]

nah frost is mostly prio damage too

esp FF

[strong halo]

Yeah but they aren’t target capped and they are funnel

[fallow hinge]

I gap on bosses and am second or third on trash, usually second overall

[strong halo]

Arcane topping meters is not really possible or expected

They should be behind a bit but the prio will time you keys

[quaint mauve]

i was beating arcane mages ST when i was trying fb in m+ and it felt so fun

[fallow hinge]

resonance is magic

[strong halo]

If you have an arcane mage + Assas rogue + destro lock there’s no shot your mage is gna be within 2m

[digital linden]

!evasion

what was the command to get the evasion spreedsheat

sheet*

[fallow hinge]

the command evaded you

it's that good

[digital linden]

trueeeee

[frail veldt]

Does this exist?

That'd be cool

[digital linden]

was there no command?

[fallow hinge]

yeah there is one floating around somewhere

[frail veldt]

There might be idk

I've never seen it

[fallow hinge]

list of all evadable mechanics in m+

[craggy barn]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[strong halo]

Bro I had no clue

Sick list

I had to trial and error a couple

“For science” I told my healer before dying

[fallow hinge]

That's my catchphrase shortly before every death

For science, you monster

[frail veldt]

Gotta remember to press your best defensive

Saying "I'm dead" in comms

[fallow hinge]

nah my best defensive is altering at 6% health

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOL

[fallow hinge]

then forgetting to cancelaura it after the damage event

and going back down to 6%

then immediately dying to a nailbeing shot into my fucking foot

... as a random, non-specific example

[wintry solar]

i HAVE NOT

caps

[frail veldt]

Bro fuck the nail gun

And it shooting you FROM STEALTH

[midnight granite]

just evasion

smh

[frail veldt]

Whyyyyuu blizzard

WHYYYY

I need evasion for the bots

[midnight granite]

blind the bots

[keen belfry]

this season its very doable, they arent as funnel funnel as other specs and have sources of uncapped stuff

[midnight granite]

smh

[frail veldt]

Bro

That's a global

[midnight granite]

[fallow hinge]

do they? D:

Meteor doesn't count

[slate forge]

can't blind mechs...

[frail veldt]

Oh really?

[fallow hinge]

they don't have eyes, mewo

[slate forge]

unlike anakin they are resilant to sand

[frail veldt]

I mean don't they?

Bots have optical sensors

[keen belfry]

its not a lot, but phoenix meteor too

[fallow hinge]

it's so minimal

[midnight granite]

the bots can be blinded

[keen belfry]

i mean hopeful nearly did the same dmg as dwilkz in his priory

[keen belfry]

i topped a 14psf pug as arcane, it snot like season 2

[frail veldt]

See

Eyes

[fallow hinge]

as sf or as ss?

[keen belfry]

sf

[fallow hinge]

idk who dwilkz is

[keen belfry]

balance druid

[fallow hinge]

I mean

[keen belfry]

balance druid is very strong

[fallow hinge]

isn't balance in like not a great spot rn

[keen belfry]

yes it is

[fallow hinge]

or is that just raid it's kinda bleh

[keen belfry]

its bad in raid

[stiff vector]

so basically like outlaw

trash everywhere

[slate forge]

i just tested says immune

[smoky lotus]

they cant be blinded while theyre spinning

[frail veldt]

Can't hit their eyes

Too much spin

[quaint mauve]

hmmm let me find a song for you

[frail veldt]

Deflects the sand

[slate forge]

even when they are not spinning

[frail veldt]

Lol

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar https://on.soundcloud.com/RlztJrswtfNzMNHtOI

[strong halo]

Depends on comp it’s closer for sure

Just hard to compete vs destro for example

[frail veldt]

So destro isn't supposed to do 4.5mil overall

[strong halo]

☠️☠️☠️☠️

[quaint mauve]

bro how….

[frail veldt]

Lol check my recent image in damage meter bragging

[strong halo]

Sjele was doing 15m overall

[quaint mauve]

that’s how much my 690 lock does

[strong halo]

4.5 is criminal

[frail veldt]

15mil seems rare

There's no way that's every key is it? Or are they like giga geared

[strong halo]

Yeah he’s pushing 18s lol

[frail veldt]

Ah that makes more sense

[strong halo]

Idk how they ended

[frail veldt]

Oh

[strong halo]

They were almost done tho

[frail veldt]

Bro if the key isn't finished the overall doesn't matter

[strong halo]

Lock rouge hunter

[frail veldt]

A last boss can bring your overall down by like 3 mil

[quaint mauve]

locks do good ST no?

[strong halo]

I’ll go back and check

[strong halo]

Ye

Welp all 3 of em block vids to non subs

[dawn talon]

it rly depends on route tho

[strong halo]

Damn even healer blocked vids

[quaint mauve]

dwilkz more like dstinkz

[strong halo]

Imagine subbing for vods KEK

[frail veldt]

Yeah but regardless if your overall is 15mil you're gonna lose a lot from a boss

No way he's doing more than 6 mil on a boss unless it has ads right?

Or is destro giga juiced

[strong halo]

Most bosses have adds tho

[quaint mauve]

that high you’re always pulling into boss

[strong halo]

Except flood which was the key they were doing

[shut lichen]

Cb dmg is crazy tbf

[wintry solar]

It's alright

[shut lichen]

Like there is a whole cb in aoe type build

[frail veldt]

Idk if that's true

Last bosses often don't

I guess it could just be routing

Past a certain point that's where most of your overall comes from

[frank bane]

I am choosing violence today

[frail veldt]

If only HO players knew how little KiR players even thought about them

[quaint mauve]

now listen to brat by the same person

[strong halo]

Ye you’re right only 3 last bosses

Maybe 4 with gambit

[old gull]

[knotty needle]

what reality are we living in where HO is the one with real pirate energy

[frail veldt]

Same reality where HO players don't realize if KiR players were to swap they'd still get gapped

[keen belfry]

is guy gonna come in here and telll u to stfu mewo

[frail veldt]

Lolol maybe

I can try to bait harder

Difficult specs should always do more damage

Outlaw was boring before crackshot

[quaint mauve]

biggest one sided argument yawn

[frank bane]

Crackshot just made it better IMO

[frail veldt]

Flat damage profiles are always useless in prog

[glass mortar]

It's funny seeing ho as "the way outlaw was meant to be played" when that is literally kir

Kir is just base outlaw with buff extension

Hos the one that adds a button we basically never pressed

[desert tendon]

what the hell, all my homies hate HO

[glass mortar]

But they need something to keep them warm in these tough times

[desert tendon]

All the real OG outlaws hate HO

[frank bane]

I told everyone I am choosing violence

[frail veldt]

Remember when blizzard decided pressing ambush was too hard for HO players so they made sinister strike switch to ambush automatically

[glass mortar]

Xdddd

[desert tendon]

KEK

[glass mortar]

I mean it is the fury warrior version of outlaw

[frail veldt]

The true chads of outlaw

[desert tendon]

Remember when it was bugged so you needed 2 ambush bind in stealth?

[glass mortar]

It's good to have beginner playstyles

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

Still is

[desert tendon]

FOR REAL

[frail veldt]

Yeah

[desert tendon]

i m so happy out of this game with lazy devs

[quaint mauve]

and that’s what HO is no?

[glass mortar]

Thats literally the only interesting minmax ho has

[desert tendon]

probably chatgpt the only dev left in wow

[frail veldt]

If you have an audacity proc in subterfuge you should press your SS bind

Not ambush

[quaint mauve]

an intro to outlaw

[glass mortar]

Playing around the bug

[desert tendon]

Remember HO S1 df before the fth nerf?

ss > dis > ps > dis > ss > dis > ps > dis > ss > dis > ps > dis > ss > dis > ps > dis > ss > dis > ps > dis > ss > dis > ps > dis > ss > dis > ps > dis >

Great gameplay

even ret is harder

[desert tendon]

go bed Zero

you loser

[proven ocean]

wtf censi

[desert tendon]

i opened my eyes, ryu was a better rogue than you. Better creativity also

sorry

[frail veldt]

WHOA

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

Fighting words

[desert tendon]

We only have 1 zeross build

[frail veldt]

Ryu is a thing of legend now

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/twenty-century-fox-meme-gfy-go-fuck-yourself-meme-get-lost-gif-26260205

[desert tendon]

but we have thousands Ryu builds

just saying

[glass mortar]

A thousand builds and not one of them good

[desert tendon]

[glass mortar]

[desert tendon]

THAT IS TRUE

[proven ocean]

💀

[desert tendon]

but still, better content creator than zero

[frail veldt]

Ryu thinking of every possible way to do less damage than he already did

[desert tendon]

fr fr

[frail veldt]

True gamer

[stiff vector]

god im stuck in low elo hell now after not keying for a week lost to timer on a 14 flood

[desert tendon]

Remember his 45% haste build?

this one was goat

[frail veldt]

10 billion overall!!!!!!

[proven ocean]

If his brain was flipped he’d be einstein

[frail veldt]

I mean what's the difference between a man who can answer every question right and a man who can answer every question wrong

100% accuracy

[proven ocean]

Sounds like me and you wemo

Except ur the one whos wrong

No cappy

[wintry solar]

Looking at the conversation from 10 minutes ago I agree with zeross

[slate forge]

actually having a flat damage profile is a unique and fun experience despite the fact they add 30 dmg amps and it provides 0 benefit in 99% of cases

[tender wedge]

I love the idea of there being a spec that has that profile

I just sometimes hate that it’s the one I enjoy playing the most 😤

[wintry solar]

I've never paid it any mind

I'd go as far to say I don't really have any issues with it

[desert tendon]

Yo popopopopo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583706166211641346/1411914031551221872/image.png?ex=68b662e9&is=68b51169&hm=5f2ea4335aa9802589b8d72940751886a65717a7a3e0962b71d5cc13520ddcda&

i m already sub 1h

current wr is 56.30

[wintry solar]

That's good censi

[desert tendon]

zac is good as well

beating the tank for once

[tender wedge]

That can’t be an overall right

[desert tendon]

this would be SL overall dmg number

[ember goblet]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[stuck sparrow]

tompelvis was best rogue

till he randomly disappeared

[fathom bramble]

you can always check this since you know total damage and average damage per second

it's a 58 second pull

give or take

[vivid vessel]

smort

[tender wedge]

Math tho

[fathom bramble]

I'm really enjoying that Lucky Coin can look like this in a Dawnbreaker of all places

this tierset makes fatebound so much more comfy everywhere and it's gonna be sad for FB when it's gone

[vivid vessel]

eh

it wont be gone

[gaunt phoenix]

I tried fb, forgot tricks, and died immediately

[fathom bramble]

if we are lucky they will incorporate it into the 3 new hero talent nodes