outlaw

[daring oxide]

I’m rewarded for my efforts with low dps 🥲

[keen belfry]

vai fatebound not good

[white marten]

@proven ocean 99FM yet?

[daring oxide]

Ye fatebound isn’t good

I agree

Too much aoe loss

But LD and SOH is alright I think

I might play it more as trickster

[proven ocean]

wtf

why u think im gonna be 99 in 1 day LMAO

nah prob an entire week or someshit idk

[vivid vessel]

????

[white marten]

Its fm bro, how long can that take?

[indigo token]

do I even show up for raid today

im benched

[white marten]

Na

Skip it

[quaint mauve]

start running blade rush

[sudden fulcrum]

if you want to ever leave the bench it's a good idea to attend raid and know what's going on in the encounters

[frail veldt]

I know lol

[quaint mauve]

SOH > thief vers?

i like SOH

it feels nice actually rolling buffs

[frail veldt]

I thought LD + SoH wasnt really a gain as trickster

[strong halo]

Skill issue

So much wasted potential on new KS, imagine it gave us prio damage that cleaved

[harsh forge]

lowkey i miss blade rush

bring it back

[wintry solar]

It never left

I'm being facetious. Yeah I miss it too.

[desert tendon]

imagine

pressing feint and kidney less than zac

(impossible)

[harsh forge]

just make blade rushbchoice node with GS, buff the damage by like 30%

[random geyser]

is KIR or HO higher variance?

[gaunt phoenix]

kir

[random geyser]

really how much?

[gaunt phoenix]

"amount of variance" is hard to measure, at least meaningfully

[random geyser]

feels like a lot lol but i am by no means perfect

[gaunt phoenix]

kir 1fth can have some low lows

i would rather play 2fth or HO myself

[random geyser]

ngl i prefer 2fth over gs

trying to test all the ho ST stuff atm showing 6.6% behind kir but if the varianmce is high might not matter

[indigo token]

https://stupidpenisx.com/gingitv/status/1961729787912704463?s=46

Gingi (@Gingitv)

It’s a great season for rogues

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 30, 2025, 9:56 AM

[quaint mauve]

halls 3rd boss is kindve a craazy dps check

[quaint mauve]

it’s… not fair

[indigo token]

i know

[indigo token]

what

there's also girlcockx

[tight kernel]

report back with how it felt xd

[hasty warren]

when outlaw supremacie

[quaint mauve]

he said it sucked

[tight kernel]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

arakara is prolly the worse fatebound key in teh game

[quaint mauve]

i think fb works for a few keys

upon further testing the aoe loss is not worth on most

[vivid vessel]

dsawn and steet maybe

[quaint mauve]

yeah that’s what i was gonna say

i haven’t tried streets

but dawn felt really good as fb

[buoyant cosmos]

"why is blade flurry 60% of your damage" haven't seen that in a while lol

[knotty needle]

gee i wonder

smh i guess your rotation is just pressing blade flurry and nothing else

[keen belfry]

meh

[indigo token]

arakara sucks on outlaw

[sudden fulcrum]

ara kara sucks

fixed that for you

[indigo token]

real shit

[quaint mauve]

inshallah every hunter player gets incinerated

[frail veldt]

love when this makes people think we just mash the bladeflurry buttojn

[frail veldt]

better than streets and db

[indigo token]

i fucking hate streets

i stg

[quaint mauve]

im still thinking about that one mdi

[indigo token]

"For midnight, we decided to remove uhuh and give you nothing in return!"

i hate wow

[quaint mauve]

where rogue and healer solod one of the ara kara mini bosses

i wonder if we can do that

[knotty needle]

for midnight we decided outlaw rogues now have a 50% movespeed penalty for fun also whenever you use roll the bones it also randomizes your keybinds but in return you get 5% more damage

[quaint mauve]

we r executing @keen belfry

[keen belfry]

i have less IO than ilvl

[red zinc]

me when i use prism

free-est youtube clips oat

[random void]

what macro do you use for GS? I mean to which skill you attach it?

[tulip quarry]

None

And use it after vanish on fb build, but check the pins ^^

[quaint mauve]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[quaint mauve]

its optimal not to macro it

[late swallow]

Awang the type of guy to put a lot of thought and care into his hobbies

[quaint mauve]

i have it macrod to my bte in stealth tho

[random void]

it's not big deal I guess, I thought it was optimal to attach it to something

what are other good macros? besides mouseover hook etc

[quaint mauve]

i use mouseover kick and mouseover bte

thats all

[late swallow]

I use mouseover sprint

And stealth

[buoyant cosmos]

Getting carried fr, zero skill class smh.

[wintry solar]

I dont use any of that smut

[quaint mauve]

i play this class better under the effects on stimulants

[buoyant cosmos]

Hit the snuff(cocaine) like xaryu does

Ez cheat

[late swallow]

My prekey ritual is huffing jenkem

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[quaint mauve]

is the cd for ub effected by cdr

[late swallow]

No

That’d be insane

It basically wouldn’t have a cd

[fathom bramble]

sounds like justr the buff trickster needs

[fathom whale]

Hey fam this might be a goofy aaa question but I have GS macrod to like my BTE and dispatch so I don’t have to hit it but should I not be doing this

[late swallow]

It’d be like perma coup

[late swallow]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[quaint mauve]

yk... that sounds pretty good

[fathom whale]

Wdym

[fathom bramble]

would probably still lose to fatebound on st

[late swallow]

Didya see the bot message below mine

[proven ocean]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-–-september-3/1937024

[late swallow]

It’s suboptimal to macro

[mighty pivot]

repeating bait how lazy

[late swallow]

But you can do it if you’re learning

[wintry solar]

if youre learning get off my spec

this is mine and you cant have it

actually

you can have this one

this one is broken

[late swallow]

Clear comms please

[fathom bramble]

also fun fact unseen blade doesn't technically have a cooldown

or well it has a 750ms one

but the 20 second cooldown is actually a 20 second buff that is hidden

that prevents ub from going off

[mighty pivot]

sounds like semantics to me

[wintry solar]

[fathom bramble]

yes

[minor verge]

hi, someone knows which is the cap on vers for outlaw?

[fathom bramble]

it is

but since it's not technically a cooldown stuff like the cdr on the affix this week wouldn't ever effect it

[late swallow]

There’s technically no cap on vers, you just start hitting diminishing returns after a certain point

[quaint mauve]

r we fr

[late swallow]

Regardless, it’s still the best secondary

[late swallow]

Check date on tuning

[quaint mauve]

oh

i got baited

[mighty pivot]

bro got baited

[minor verge]

oh

[wintry solar]

you shouldve let him merinate in it

[late swallow]

True mb

[old gull]

That’s diabolical

[worldly shale]

XD

Ross gonna singlehandedly shut down rogue discord

On strike!

Everyone else getting buffs!

[fathom bramble]

how can a sim be over 100% active

🤔

[wintry solar]

wait until crackshot gets deleted, this whole channel will be on a 6 hour slowmode

[mighty pivot]

isn't that up to you as secret rogue dev?

[wintry solar]

maybe I'm planting the seed as we speak

[mighty pivot]

well you did plant the seed with your shitty new KS

[wintry solar]

to make Zac mad

[late swallow]

People are saying solo is currently onboarding as rogue dev

[fathom bramble]

solo will buff ambush by 45%

and save us all from kir

[wintry solar]

he'll make 1fth never exist anymore

[late swallow]

[quaint mauve]

brooooooooooo nooooooo

i love crackshot

[late swallow]

FTH 1 point node when????

[fathom bramble]

also changing the unseen blade lockout duration to 1 second makes fatebound and trickster have the same* ST

very cool buff

need it now

without apl changes*

[wintry solar]

I wish I could find the interview where a dev said "Even though a lot of players find the increased skill fun, its not what we want for our players"

[keen belfry]

thank you king

[worldly shale]

CRACKKKKKK NOOOOO

LA POLIZIA

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[wintry solar]

I could give or take crackshot but uhuh has GOT to go

[fathom bramble]

Crackshot: Deleted
new node Hidden shot: During stealth and for 6 seconds after breaking stealth BTE has no cooldown, deals 50% more damage, and grants 1 stack of opportunity when used.

[red zinc]

they nerfed ret pala

cant believe this is my life

[buoyant cosmos]

no shot

[buoyant cosmos]

Isn't that the 2024 bait?

[wintry solar]

yes lol

[fathom bramble]

yes

[red zinc]

oh

twin i aint scrolling

[wintry solar]

this duuuude

[red zinc]

just saw september 3rd

[worldly shale]

XD

Post

[buoyant cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/complete-got-em-we-we-got-them-gif-13114115

[worldly shale]

this

in ret

disc

PLEASE

PLASEASE

PAWSEKLWFPALFPAEF

with the link

[fathom bramble]

someone probably already has

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

[fathom bramble]

multiple times

[late swallow]

Loktark lowkey has the best cooks

[compact narwhal]

is this real?

[fathom bramble]

it was real a year ago

it's from 2024

[compact narwhal]

LOL

okok

woke up from a nap to that is crazy

the new fb cook simming higher than trickster by a good 100k for me

has anyone tested it without ks yet?

[mighty pivot]

subscribe

[quaint mauve]

no way no KS is a thing

right

right??

[eternal ore]

do you guys use stone cursed idol before ks or after ks?

[gaunt phoenix]

Before

[eternal ore]

kk ty!

[vivid vessel]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[digital linden]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[gaunt phoenix]

Added a newer one

When Killing Spree consumes Supercharger, it is treated as +2 CPs instead of +3.

[quartz magnet]

So it’s better to not use supercharger on KS than other finishers?

[gaunt phoenix]

dont know specifically yet

[frail veldt]

someone told me you can use spells during the idol channel is this true?

or am I getting lied to

[compact narwhal]

saw vai say smthing ab it this am

[frail veldt]

only as fatebound

[strong halo]

Im sorry

Destro 5% buffs

What the flying fuck

[compact narwhal]

its old

last year

master baiters in here

[mighty pivot]

pirates failing the reading test

[strong halo]

September 3rd bro who checks the year

[wintry solar]

yall dont check the date?

[fathom bramble]

I just assume everything is bait

if I didn't find it on wowhead it's not real

[mighty pivot]

^

[wintry solar]

thats a good one too

[strong halo]

I stoped at September 3rd which was believable

[mighty pivot]

you know better now

for next time

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[fathom whale]

What’s this fate bound m+ build yall are using

[clear zephyr]

My friend trade me a tank trinket to count toward my crest discount. Does this work?

[fathom whale]

We prio KS > vanish windows ?

[quaint mauve]

if you’re not gonna drop adr

you don’t want to vanish if KS is under 20s cd (?)

always want KS on cd when in crackshot window to not waste cdr

[quaint mauve]

i personally like holding my vanishes any where <30s on KS cd

[proven ocean]

wtf why ius outlaw so op

assa buffs soon??

assa below aug is diabolical ngl

we relaly need buffs

[cinder relic]

Its crazy how worthless the WCL stats page is

[strong halo]

Zac more io than casualaddict

Buff sub

And Assas

[strong halo]

I see you as an Aug main

[proven ocean]

how is it worthless if every buff/nerf is based on it

they always do nerfs and buffs on wclogs

what data do u look at then

[indigo token]

GUYS

I GOT UNBENCHED

[frail veldt]

daaaamn wtf

buff outlaw

20% buff at least

[strong halo]

I mean they do tune for m+, when fire mages get living bomb changes it’s usually for m+

[proven ocean]

ur bad at checking logs

ngl

[frail veldt]

omg

[proven ocean]

i can bring a worse one

[frail veldt]

literally buff it

20%

[proven ocean]

in 1 second

[frail veldt]

nocappy

[proven ocean]

noob

[indigo token]

do we run fatebound for loom and the third boss

[proven ocean]

its crazy how low outlaw is

and

[frail veldt]

damn wtf

assa is op

[proven ocean]

how assa does way less boss dmg if we're on m+ build

[frail veldt]

literally 20% above both otther rogue specs

[proven ocean]

like

[strong halo]

Nerf Aug

[proven ocean]

assa is 100% the worst boss dmg spec in M+ by a long shot

[frail veldt]

what bosses do you play that spec on?

[simple relic]

i outdps everyone on bosses as assa

in my +2

xddxdxd

[strong halo]

Assas m+ ST is legit a wet noodle

[frail veldt]

what would happen if you played like the hybrid build or something with more ST?

[strong halo]

Outlaw is a wet baguette

[proven ocean]

xdd

they gutted spatter

[frail veldt]

im genuinely curious

[proven ocean]

why would i do that

[frail veldt]

im not trolling

Im just wondering how much overall you lose

[proven ocean]

spatter does 20% less dmg

it got nerfed

bugfix

[frail veldt]

ye I know

[proven ocean]

so kingsbane isnt crazy anymore

and

they buffed bleeds alot throughout ptr

so

[strong halo]

Casual said Assas adds 2 mins to bosses in gambit

Vs sub

[frail veldt]

I believe it

[proven ocean]

hes not wrong

[strong halo]

Is that per boss tho

[proven ocean]

i told him to swap to assa on flood aswell

depends

like

in flood u can add 2 min on big momma and swampface 1 min ish

extra

for free

[frail veldt]

but yeah I mean is it not worth it for overall key time to do a more ST focused build? @proven ocean

[strong halo]

Well like flood is fine you can add mobs to bosses that matters imo

[frail veldt]

like if you didnt care about your meters

[strong halo]

Imagine playing streets as Assas XD

[frail veldt]

would you do the key faster not playing bleed build?

[proven ocean]

no the hero talent is based on funnel

[strong halo]

Bleed build is fun the ST part is so fucken boring

[proven ocean]

so u either funnel

or u dont play assa

[strong halo]

Is sub funnel damage?

[frail veldt]

does the bleed build have the most funnel?

[frail veldt]

nah not really

[strong halo]

Never bothered reading how my ST does aoe

[cinder relic]

Its prio not funnel

[strong halo]

KEK

[frail veldt]

prio with heavy burst

[proven ocean]

it does the most bleed dmg so yes

it does

b ut

only in medium to big ish pulls its better

maybe all pulls

[strong halo]

@proven ocean is there any keys where Assas > sub?

Can’t think of one

Prio maybe?

[proven ocean]

no

just floodgates atm imo

and eco

idk

maybe u can play assa in other keys too but u also need a healer that can keep u alive

[simple relic]

priory hoa no?

[quaint mauve]

is sub better than sin now?

[strong halo]

Ngl I feel like outlaw kinda cranks in HoA

[proven ocean]

priory is a sub key for sure

its decent there

HoA sin definitely makes it faster but idk

i need a proper premade first

like

msot keys sin is better

but

its so hard to manage

[simple relic]

squish

[proven ocean]

i'll have to just figure things out its still early season anyway

its so hard in pugs so

[quaint mauve]

playing with pug tanks is miserable on sin

[simple relic]

yeah i mean assa defo reqs a lot more setup n shit and tank to play a bit more around you

not just a bit

[proven ocean]

alot

[simple relic]

i decided to pivot off outlaw this ssn haha

so im hard learning the other two

last time ive played sub was with you on fyrakk haha

[compact narwhal]

u need the trinks for sub tho correct? the 2 raid ones

[simple relic]

and never ever in keys

[burnt dragon]

dimensius bug not fixed?

is blizzard ok

[simple relic]

bug not fixed is quite normal for blizzard

what you on about boy

xdd

[strong halo]

I’m not 1 no?

[proven ocean]

they never fix shit

[compact narwhal]

wut

[strong halo]

The prism and what else?

[compact narwhal]

forge i thought

could be trippin

[strong halo]

Meh I think it’s only prism tbh

[compact narwhal]

i have lily and pacemaker and feels idk

[strong halo]

For m+

[compact narwhal]

im prob playing like shit tho

[burnt dragon]

yeah but this ones so bad

[compact narwhal]

im not a fan of weird trickster tech for 2nd coupe

[frail veldt]

I think subs easier to perform decently with

[white marten]

Bout to quit WoW and go right into OSRS

[frail veldt]

cant you play OSRS while you play wow

I thought that was like a background afk game

[compact narwhal]

really?

[frail veldt]

compared to assa? for sure

[compact narwhal]

idk i feel you can get by easy as assa but harder to minmax it

[quaint mauve]

really?

oh i just asked the same question

xd

[frail veldt]

for like higher keys assa needs the team to actually play around them

if you go into a boss

with no funnel

on like a 15

[compact narwhal]

ya in pug feel that

[quaint mauve]

ahh i see

[frail veldt]

youre just gona lose

assa will literally do like 2.5mil dps

[compact narwhal]

giga lose

[frail veldt]

and the boss will take an hour

[compact narwhal]

agree

[frail veldt]

sub doesnt give a fuck whats happening

just dont int your blades every 1.5min

and youre good

[quaint mauve]

i don’t do far off that ST as trickster ol….

[proven ocean]

I honestly wouldn’t keep any hopes up they will literally never fix it

[quaint mauve]

im usually at like 3.3ish in pure ST

[frail veldt]

thast 33% more

than 2.5

haha

thats a lot

[quaint mauve]

im bad at numbers

ig ur right

eh not like it concerns me i refuse to rehear

[compact narwhal]

how neccesary is prism for sub?

[quaint mauve]

regear

im raiding on ol too in prog

ol is life

[compact narwhal]

dogwater luck this tier with raid trinks feels bad

[quaint mauve]

if it makes u feel better, the only raid piece ive gotten other than tier has been void hunter boots

in normal.

[compact narwhal]

same LOL

actually cooked ngl

even from vault

[quaint mauve]

and im 50 hoa runs in with no gloves

[compact narwhal]

i got those

but champ track

i crafted like a monkey too wish i sent ring and just farmed a OH

[quaint mauve]

i wanna find a weekend raiding guild but i can’t find any good ones

[compact narwhal]

goood luck

feel mostly tues thurs or other week days

aids

[quaint mauve]

yeah and im busy every week day all day 😓

[compact narwhal]

^^

i cant stay up late weekday

like 10 pushing it

aids

pug life

[proven ocean]

@frail veldt

[frail veldt]

sup

[proven ocean]

He aint wrong tho or

[frail veldt]

rofl

[proven ocean]

@wemo

@frail veldt

[frail veldt]

how was your coffee today zeross

[proven ocean]

Very good

Honestly i found the best hot v60 beans of all time

So fucking good no cappy wemo…

@frail veldt beans matter alot

[frail veldt]

agreed haha

good comms

its a symphony

[proven ocean]

Ty

[frail veldt]

it all matters

[proven ocean]

Idk what a symphony is

I only rmeembr SYMPHOONYYY

[frail veldt]

like music

[proven ocean]

the song

[frail veldt]

with a lot of instruments together at once

[proven ocean]

Like a symphoonyyyy bing bing bong wong wing wong

[frail veldt]

I think literal definition is a specific combination of classical wind and string instruments idk

[proven ocean]

Forgot what the song is

But sounds like that

[proven ocean]

[frail veldt]

I just wana be part of your SYMPHONY!

[proven ocean]

I see

Wemo

[frail veldt]

nothing beats a jet2 holiday

[proven ocean]

From scale of cooked to cooked

How cooked are u today

[frail veldt]

its hot here so im a little cooked

but almost done with 13 resil so not doing too bad

im not high enough key level where outlaw loses yet so thats fun

just top dps every key

[proven ocean]

Thats me when we pulled loomithar mythic with me on bleed build assa

[frail veldt]

lololol

[proven ocean]

We wiped tho so was all good

[frail veldt]

love that for you

[proven ocean]

Wemo

I go bed ok

Gn wemo

[frail veldt]

nighty night

[desert tendon]

good he quitted to bed, finally

[dawn tundra]

Man, I feel bad right now. Apparently my DPS is shit again.

[indigo token]

SOULBINDER DOWN

2/8M

[quaint mauve]

at what key level do we fall off

i’ve been blasting

[frail veldt]

Prob like 15 I'm guessing

[dawn tundra]

Can anyone link the 11.2 Outlaw Rogue Talent builds?

[torpid fiber]

They're in #outlaw-faq

[keen belfry]

Having fun on arcane mage guys

[torpid fiber]

Nice

[sudden fulcrum]

I liked it last season

It’s easier now I hear

[keen belfry]

It’s very easy now

You play sundry

Sunfury

Spellslinger was fun last season tho

[indigo token]

fire mage feels like ass

[sudden fulcrum]

Yeah but needing a WA to play was cringe

[indigo token]

and it does no damage

[keen belfry]

You didn’t really need one

And it’s WA was not very good for AOE

[sudden fulcrum]

There were like 15 barrage conditions man

[keen belfry]

But they can be very simplified

A lot of them are covered by normal rotation too

[frail veldt]

I hate orbs

They pull

0/10

Arcane sucks

Ruins the spec imo haha

The rotation is so fun

But the experience in keys is just constantly doing shitty positioning to not pull random shit

[frail veldt]

A mage was saying there's just a wa that solves it all

Porons barrage WA or something

[sudden fulcrum]

i think they fixed the random orb that comes out

[frail veldt]

Oh that's huge

Random orb was giga aids

[sudden fulcrum]

yes it was

[dawn talon]

it was rly rly fun

imo

i miss it sorely

[keen belfry]

its fine for ST

its not 100% for aoe

[dawn talon]

the barrage conditions for sunfury are so simple

the only reason to use that wa is like pure laziness

[keen belfry]

yeah

[wild brook]

Looked at wowhead talents, is HO build from last season not as good/recommended vs KiR for m+?

[frail veldt]

They kept changing wa when I was trying to play it s1

Was very annoying

Theyd completely change he rotation every few weeks

[frail veldt]

It's about 4-5% worse than KiR

[lime lake]

lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

HO is not recommended though some people still play it, it's not that far behind

[frail veldt]

There are def some high rated outlaws still playing it if it makes you feel better

[torpid fiber]

outlaw player complaining about rotations constantly changing omegalul

[frail veldt]

So it's entirely viable at least for now

[frail veldt]

Faiiiir

[wild brook]

just never been a fan of KiR lol

[frail veldt]

You can avoid it for sure if you don't like it

HO is more than viable for most content

[wild brook]

what's the haste recommendation for HO again?

[torpid fiber]

sim

[frail veldt]

It depends which version you're playing

[torpid fiber]

it's not hard upper bounded the way kir is

[gaunt phoenix]

9% minimum but you might ask raidbots cause it still likes more for energy

[frail veldt]

Yeah

Nice thing about ho

Haste is still decent past the "tax"

[torpid fiber]

Raidbots managed to get me to 19.11% haste yesterday 🙏
Can't wait to get a single new piece of gear and have to sim again

I gotta spam more M+ to get hero pieces so I can get 4p without feeling bad, but also I haven't found any oce low priorys to run and I didn't play last season so I don't want to jump straight into even +6s of it

[frail veldt]

Damn oce outlaw?

Brutal

[torpid fiber]

I get 7 ping on oce and 180 on na

[frail veldt]

WTF

7????????

[torpid fiber]

so like it's actually misery to play on na LOL

[frail veldt]

That's gotta feel SOOO good

[torpid fiber]

Yeah idfk man LMAO

It's the lowest ping I get in literally any game

[frail veldt]

I actually got onto a West Coast server couple nights ago with 20ms and I felt like a god

[torpid fiber]

It's legit somehow lower than my league ping

The problem is that it makes playing na feel sooo ass, especially when I get the worse coast

[burnt dragon]

whats everyone doing to make dimensius not feel like ass? there's so much downtime

[torpid fiber]

my understanding is that people are either swapping spec or benching

The fight just has so many problems for us even beyond the downtime

[burnt dragon]

lock the discord

[torpid fiber]

I've come to the realisation that if we lock this channel to complain, everyone will just decide that the sub channel is the new outlaw channel and we'd piss off all the sub players

[quaint mauve]

someone incinerate my rogue bro wtf

anyways

i think my mouseover kick macro

is broken

it doesnt work

[torpid fiber]

just make ur nameplates larger that's what I do

And then I still miss them

[sudden fulcrum]

bind focus kick

ezpz

[keen belfry]

yes i did kev

19s

[tight kernel]

@keen belfry s2 what was your resils

ah

dude

you can skip prio and floodgate

[keen belfry]

really?

[tight kernel]

blizz spaghetti coding

[keen belfry]

xd

[tight kernel]

still counts your char as resils

[keen belfry]

thats funny

[tight kernel]

so as long as you get others to w/e resil lvl you will get resils X keys

so can skip priory for a bit

I mean I guess still score

[keen belfry]

thats funny

did u brick key

but it didnt brick

[tight kernel]

Nah was farming 16s resils

and affinity got resils 16s but we kept bricking our priories

did a quick dawn 16 and timed and got resils 16s while having 15 priory still

There werent resils in season 1 so thats why it doesnt work for dawn

lmk if you see same result lol

[dawn tundra]

I can't tell if I'm just dumb or if I'm running the wrong Outlaw build for 11.2. Apparently I was only doing 900K damage during a Heroic Loom fight, which has me pissed. I was under the impression that I was doing more than that, at least a million.

[silent palm]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[dawn tundra]

I pretty much disabled Weakauras. I believe it was messing with my WoW client.

[gaunt phoenix]

🤔

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry nah awang im in misery

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is perhaps difficult without them

[rotund zodiac]

I wish I had ping that low

😭

[tight kernel]

yo anyone gamers locked to myth this week?

about to slam a quick fract with leftover lockout from this week

[late swallow]

I believe using this server for LFG is against the rules

I’ll let this slide, but I won’t hesitate to contact the shadows next time

[dawn tundra]

It was causing visual glitches last I recall, and Blizzard's apparently nuking it soon.

[indigo token]

i hate that I enjoy outlaw

such a badly performing spec

[craggy barn]

its so funny

i take joy whenever im top boss damage

[tight kernel]

I was just inviting my fellow rogue for free loot but you right

[keen belfry]

why lil bro

[quaint mauve]

gf wants to watch ratatouille.

14 key in my bags

the grind

😓

[gaunt phoenix]

weakauras on its own does very little. you can create actual auras yourself, or import weakauras that other people have made, but the base tool is not affecting your game

like someone else's shitty weakaura might be broken, but that's not the addon itself's fault

[dawn tundra]

Yeah. I don't know what it was, to be honest. I might reinstall it, to be entirely honest, but I feel so utterly miserable again. I dunno what's wrong.

[late swallow]

Ratatouille is goated

https://tenor.com/view/movies-animation-comedy-ratatouille-cheese-gif-5100422

[craggy barn]

watch rat

key later

[late swallow]

Precious time with your significant other is excruciatingly based

Keys are for virgin loser incels

[tight kernel]

[late swallow]

Foreverguy and his guild specialize in other guild’s lockouts

I think <gn> is having their labor day clearance sale rn

[craggy barn]

yo kev can u do that in like 5 hours

pepw

[tight kernel]

5 hours is sleep

I must rest

need beuty sleep

[tepid skiff]

early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise

[quaint mauve]

that’s who i am at heart

[torpid fiber]

Ur the goat for doing what you do with such high ping

[tight kernel]

this man gets it

[fathom bramble]

sleeping in late may ruin your morning, but waking up early will ruin your day

[torpid fiber]

sleep buff so op

[tight kernel]

Yeah truly is

I need gamer gloves, getting to that age

[torpid fiber]

I got 8h of sleep last night but my wrists hurt when I woke up so no wow for me today

[indigo token]

i got a 4 and a 2 on my parses

feeling like shit

[frail veldt]

is there a better way to upload more than 1 log at a time in wcl companion?

[torpid fiber]

Can you shift click to select multiple?

[frail veldt]

I can but it doesnt upload multiple

[torpid fiber]

Huh

[drowsy ridge]

Fatebound or Trickster for Heroic Nexus King?

[late swallow]

You don’t live log?

[frail veldt]

no I prob should start

im always just worried itll lag me

[sudden fulcrum]

are you running a potato

[late swallow]

Hadn’t noticed any lag, but I guess it depends on where you are relative to your server

[sudden fulcrum]

🥔

[fair oak]

It shouldnt I think, I live logged for a whole season in df on a much worse setup than mine and never felt a difference

[late swallow]

[fair oak]

File might get very big tho

[frail veldt]

lag is internet

I used to have a lot worse internet

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/call-calling-dial-up-internet-modem-gif-8187684

[frail veldt]

so I didnt want to add anything on top

now I have fiber but still

[covert kestrel]

Mewo bottom confirmed

[sudden fulcrum]

you think WCL is going to lag fiber?

[frail veldt]

no I didnt want anything on top

confirmed not bottom

[tight kernel]

I cant wait for wcl to remove add pad from forge and give it the oab treament

so people can finally play real build

[frail veldt]

idk thats why I didnt turn on live logging lol

[frail veldt]

same

[sudden fulcrum]

there is no way

it's uploading text dude

WoW itself probably uses more bandwidth

[late swallow]

Unless ur internet is powered by a water wheel, live logging is fine bro

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldn't-ratatouille-piracy-it's-a-crime-piracy-is-stealing-meme-gif-11554142448863112842

[sudden fulcrum]

that commercial was so dumb because anyone would download a car if they could

[covert kestrel]

No sorry we respect the flag and Ford motors in this house

[late swallow]

Never forget the overweight girl from your hometown who listens to three days grace and whose blue collar husband drives a ford truck

[high parrot]

bro this 4 set is so annoying i feel like im always munching unseen blade stacks and it just makes the spec so hard to play optimally

[dawn talon]

nah all those girls are from pa

[covert kestrel]

Repost this if you're a true brave American and don't want liberal Discord mods to take your freedom!! Share and like!

[late swallow]

Bruh every american middle class small town has that archetype

[covert kestrel]

Well stop munching em ya hungry hungry hippo

[dawn talon]

yo can they let me out of the ecodome

[frank bane]

Gaming

[sudden fulcrum]

what da mage doin

[covert kestrel]

Floor pov it's in his name

[sudden fulcrum]

oh ya guess that makes sense

[frank bane]

He is Floor PoV

[late swallow]

Who up breaking they benjamin rn

[sudden fulcrum]

i'm whipping my lash

[high parrot]

the unseen blade rng is truly driving me insane i dont know how to get optimal value of my abilities and my cdr i feel like i can make the argument that every move i make is technically a damage loss

thank you for letting me vent

[sudden fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/jaredleto-jared-leto-gif-4952573

[covert kestrel]

If every move you make is a damage loss then the only winning move is not to play

#wargames

[craggy barn]

every move u make every step u take

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/gifalgayib-thepolice-sting-gif-4931779477593105538

[storm hemlock]

ST fatebound for hc dimensius right?

[craggy barn]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[storm hemlock]

ty

[cold tide]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[late swallow]

30 secs to mars had some bangers

[wintry solar]

Terra and I forget his name

you remember the mom from Robots?

[chilly atlas]

robomom, i know here well

[wintry solar]

thats who she looks like

[late swallow]

?

Aunt fanny?

[wintry solar]

yes

[late swallow]

Absolute deep cut with the robots reference

Legendary dumpy

[wintry solar]

thats what im saying

[storm hemlock]

for fatebound do we rtb before the opener button or after bte?

[gaunt phoenix]

you macro rtb bte

[storm hemlock]

so its cancel aura
ADR
GS
RTB?

or macro > RTB > BTE

nvm I think I get it lol

[gaunt phoenix]

macro > rtb > bte

[storm hemlock]

ty

[dawn tundra]

Augh. All of this hurts my head so much. But I THINK I have it now. I'm using last season's kit and not doing my opening properly.

[storm hemlock]

if dimensius anti gravity breaks your stealth you dont get subterfuge, neat

[fierce trout]

Ah, so i was doing it wrong.. I was RTB then macro, then BTE

#Goober

[dawn tundra]

The way an Anon on 4chan said it:

"Use ar to generate max points and proc loaded dice
Blast bte
When your first subterfuge expire use ks
Then you have to consider the kir rules in between all this"

Is this true?

[torpid fiber]

basically yeah, you do the first subterfuge window and then you play your normal priority list, and KS is higher prio than vanish even if capped on vanish charges

Also if you play fatebound you want to use a macro to break stealth, check the pins for it

[random stirrup]

[late swallow]

Secret 4chan outlaw guide with hidden tech??????

[dawn tundra]

Is this correct or should I not listen to this?

[torpid fiber]

It sounds basically correct it's just kinda not much info

[late swallow]

I mean it’s not wrong, but it’s not painting the full picture

[torpid fiber]

it's saying "do your opener and then play the spec"

[late swallow]

Best bet is the wowhead guide

It’s really good

[torpid fiber]

and the opener it mentions isn't a new one either

[dawn tundra]

So do I follow the Outlaw guide from WoWhead or the one that's from here?

[fluid meadow]

this random stat on ring, do we hunt for this in myth in the season?

[gaunt phoenix]

The haste/vers or crit/vers ones are the same shit

[torpid fiber]

They should both be very similar, the one here is usually slightly more up-to-date but it won't be a huge difference

[craggy barn]

the one here tends to be more in depth and up to date with any new stuff thats found compared to site guides

[dawn tundra]

So it's either or? Aight.

[torpid fiber]

wdym, XOR implies you can't use both and I don't see why that'd be true

[rare rapids]

Quick Q - Is the second mcro in the pins a replacement for ghostly strike completely? Just trying to figure it out. Have been completely OOTL

[wintry solar]

@desert tendon oh my god this is taking foreverrrrrrrr

[craggy barn]

the ghostly bte one?

[rare rapids]

Yessir

[craggy barn]

imo only useful only when u vanish

[rare rapids]

am i casting GS outside of / after a vanish assuming I'm doing the rotation correctly?

if so then yea i need a separate bind or something

[craggy barn]

u can cast it ouside of vanish, u arent holding gs for vanish except if vanish is close

[rare rapids]

Ahhh ok ok

[craggy barn]

u hold vanish for gs more than the other

[rare rapids]

Yeah that seems like what it feels like

Okay that's super helpful TY :-]

[fluid meadow]

does bte affected by crit dmg or just 4x normal dmg when crit?

[fathom bramble]

extra sources of crit damage will increase it further

like tauren

[fluid meadow]

okay but does it just 4x dmg or multiplied with the simple crit dmg too?

like does it overwrite the simple crit effect or not

[tight kernel]

Update on fract pug prog

ez boss

[torpid fiber]

i'm pretty sure it's 4x non-crit damage not 4x crit damage, but you could check this pretty easily by looking at in-game combat log

[fathom bramble]

oh yeah it replaces the normal double damage with quad damage

and then scales further from other effects

[storm hemlock]

did my first key since I got 4 piece and got its so much better

got like 10% increase in ADR uptime

[shell dust]

where does the champion nightfall curseblade comes from

[storm hemlock]

we still BTE when going into a pull with coup up right?>

[torpid fiber]

weekly nightfall box

[shell dust]

do i really need to bother

on trying to get it when it drops like 50 items

[torpid fiber]

it's once per week so i just do it whenever the timing lines up

[cinder relic]

Hold up

[fluid meadow]

someone asked some days ago idk if possible but can we delete these things? 30 run in the list 26 is boosting shit i dont wanna see them, why are these things legal, and mostly contains links, what if those are just scams somehow

[wintry solar]

I dont thin htey are

I report them for advertisement but I dont think it does anything. At least it hides it though

[subtle copper]

in your filters you can set minimum M+ rating as 1 and it gets rid of most of them

[fluid meadow]

yeah and about reports, i did these on keys last season who sells resil to not see them, but are they ignored for further time(like i never can play with them but if they don't sell maybe we could) or just until they relist things?

[fluid meadow]

it's raid, no filters there

[pearl topaz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[fair tapir]

wut da fuck is allat

[tight kernel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1n4kohr/uh_interesting_group_title_in_lfg_tonight/

yo why am i on reddit LOL

[pliant wind]

SMILEW

[cedar kernel]

still no tuning yet?

[tough ocean]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[exotic warren]

i like to play the outlaw rogue spec

[random geyser]

Do we try to hold and fth procs for coup or is it just an if ya got it kind of thing

[sullen wyvern]

yOU CAN

use premade filter group addon

for raid on the group limit condition put from 2 to 30, typically these advertisers are alone in their own groups so you wont see them if you put that on the group size filter

For dungeons put above 50 rio and they should not appear either, typically just accounts with not a single key done

[fathom whale]

too much haste for KIR?

[craggy barn]

a bit

[fathom whale]

my sim tell,s me to gem haste vers but surely thats not it

[craggy barn]

are there variations in that sim

like same increase but like 4 diff gem setups

[eager sundial]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lime cloak]

Hey Yall!
Would this be a good place to ask for help on why I cant do any significant damage as an outlaw lmao

[craggy barn]

ask away, someone might be able to help

if ur asking for like a log review or something then u can !log and stuff a log in there

[snow crescent]

!log

[lime cloak]

All right, thank you!
I'm currently trying to get the hang of my new 80 rogue. Right now I'm at 650 iLvl and just trying to figure out the rotation at the training dummy, so nothing super serious.
Now with both Assassination and Sub I sim for about 1 million dps at the target dummy and thats around what I do, even with sub optimal talents.
With outlaw I sim for around 1.5 million and just cant get over 600-700k at the dummy.
And I cant for the life of me figure out what I'm doing wrong. I've read multiple guides, I use Ghostly Strike on CD, try to get as much value out of my AR as possible, though I don't get anywhere near the 90% uptime I've seen somewhere. It's more like 50%
And I'm wondering if it's just a skill issue or if I'm missing something that makes it so I do only about 70% of the damage I do on other speccs easily while trying my hardest on outlaw.

[craggy barn]

outlaw is very much a big skill issue

but when it comes to comparing to a sim
youre comparing to something that is hitting the right buttons always and on time no issue (also like averaged out 10k iterations)

outlaw is more mechanics intensive than sub and sin, and a bit more rng so i wouldnt expect to hit sim numbers all the time

i guarantee u arent hitting the most optimal button every gcd compared to a sim

[fluid meadow]

hardest part while players trying to play outlaw is adr and vanish window, most of them just using them like cd on other specs and not using them correctly

like new players with outlaw has like 30-40% adr maybe

[crimson arch]

does killingspree only hit infront of me or in a circle around mev

[craggy barn]

it can only target something in front of u

EXCEPT for fishsticks + totems

[crimson arch]

ok ty

[lime cloak]

Wait, how do I use vanish and adr (more) optimally then? I figured I'd just use adr whenever it's off cd and vanish when I have full combo points to get off as many bte's as possible?

[lime cloak]

That does make sense. It still feels a bit weird to do so much less damage while trying compared to just pressing buttons on the other two speccs lol

[craggy barn]

u can consult https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276308344813916261

for more advanced specifics on cd usage

[lime cloak]

Ohh! Now I get it! I was using my ADR and vanish windows completely wrong at the start of the fight and also wasnt using GS at the right time! I just tried again after reading through the advanced info and changing a few of my keybinds and immediately did like 1.5 million on the first burst and around 900k after that. Much more in line with the other two speccs!
Thank you two so much for helping me, I really appreciate it! 🙂

[craggy barn]

👍

[brazen lava]

Can some one rate my stats? Came from assa, now playing ouwlaw

[craggy barn]

so much mastery

[brazen lava]

Yea

[craggy barn]

def need more vers, but its fine

[cinder haven]

One day maybe they will fix mastery

[brazen lava]

ye stacking more verse

[wintry solar]

Midnight

Outlaw getting reworked from the bottom up

[craggy barn]

theyre gonna completely remove outlaw and make a new rogue spec in its place called combat

[wintry solar]

A whole new spec??

Amazing work blizzarf

[cinder haven]

I'm not betting on a bottom up rework, probably something more similar to other reworks we've seen recently for other specs

[wintry solar]

my belief on how much of outlaw is getting reworked is directly tied to my current mood

[rare shoal]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[wintry solar]

I had a brownie so I believe this next Outlaw will be absolute PEAK

it will be above SL Outlaw no cap frfr

[craggy barn]

they will remove UHUH and crackshot
then replace RTB with slice and dice
remove the guns
turn blade flurry into a toggle
replace ghostly strike with a new spell called "revealing strike"
remove the gcd reduction from ADR
and make us play red light green light

[brazen lava]

wtf

[cinder haven]

💀

I want the funnel mastery i talked about yesterday, haste cap fix, adr GCD reduction moved to a charge based system, maybe a bit more freedom in the talent tree

[prisma lantern]

Hi all, il New in rogue , do we need a dague in left Hand in outlaw? If yes why please

[craggy barn]

need? no

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[craggy barn]

very minor minmax to dagger offhand

[cinder haven]

In keys we kinda prefer the nightblade cudgel thing anyway

Can weapon swap to dagger on bosses

[craggy barn]

they should make our mastery reverse funnel

only do damage to secondary targets

[cinder haven]

My cook yesterday was that any bf damage could proc mg on main target but mg doesn't flurry anymore and mg proc chance scales with mastery

[craggy barn]

they should turn our mastery into multi strike

[cinder haven]

I want that from haste over cap instead

[craggy barn]

oh u know what, they should turn that SND talent to add multi strike based on haste

instead of just scaling snd more with haste

[cinder haven]

That would be cool

But then we need more talent points

[craggy barn]

knock FTH down to 1pt

ez

remove the vers talent and move ace up

[cinder haven]

Yeah it's solvable for sure

Will be fun to see what they cook

[wintry solar]

I just want vanish to not be so loaded

thats my bar

[cinder haven]

Make vanish util again?

[wintry solar]

assuming they give us util to make it worth

[cinder haven]

Idk how to do that without messing stuff up for the other two specs

Subterfuge would have to go

[craggy barn]

replace crackshot with
after pressing BTE, for the next 6 seconds, BTE has no cooldown and dispatches target for x%. increase CD of BTE to yminutes

and then figure something out wiht uhuh

[wintry solar]

2 minute bte CD

[craggy barn]

affected by cdr

idk

[wintry solar]

obv

[craggy barn]

remove uhuh
and add to ghostly strike
add x seconds of ADR / extends ADR by x seconds

now no more stealth reliance

[cinder haven]

I still want charge based system for adr

[prisma lantern]

@ornate heath thx a lot

[craggy barn]

oh waht if KS extended ADR

u go on a killing spree, then u get ADR/extend adr

[cinder haven]

Each skill you use consume a stack to reduce GCD

Adr and vanish adds stacks

[craggy barn]

bro i dont want sequencing in my outlaw rogue

[cinder haven]

Downtime problem solved

[wintry solar]

im gonna start preparing for the possibily of Outlaw becoming a CD spec

[craggy barn]

unless im misunderstanding u tob

[cinder haven]

I'm not sure what you mean

[craggy barn]

at first read it sounded similar to sub danse macabre

but reread and diff

[cinder haven]

No no

[craggy barn]

so all good

what if

[wintry solar]

honestly I want to take vanish off my bars out of spite

make it happen blizz

[craggy barn]

KS was the initial enabler of the GCD stacking
like u go on a killing spree, now u have to upkeep ur killing spree stacks with more shit

flavor win

replace gsw with tornado trigger
and make that tornado trigger BTE able to trigger the new crackshot i cooked

[wintry solar]

There's a lot that I want that can't all be put in the tree

[craggy barn]

make combat potency baseline

[wintry solar]

What did they even nerf to make our energy this bad?

General energy regen?

[craggy barn]

they lowered adr regen

[wintry solar]

I meant outside adr

Forgot to specify

[craggy barn]

tight spender lowered

[cinder haven]

Didn't they nerf fatal flourish at some point too?

[craggy barn]

maybe

idk when that happened

but 11.0 tight spender moved to 6% instead of 10

but then they bumped combat potency to 30 from 25

we also lost sinister strike chance going into tww from losing df s3 tier

[quaint mauve]

bro

i just went through the scariest moment of my life

apple maps took me on a weird ass road

and it led to a dirt road on a side of a mountain

and my brakes

couldn’t brake on dirt

[wintry solar]

I hate how blizz has a habit of nerfing a spec because of tier and then not unnerfing them later the spec loses it.

[wintry solar]

#off-topic

Kidding

Glad you're safe

[marble meteor]

anyone know the "correct" way to use unyielding netherprism?
like i feel i should be using it on CD unless you can hold it for like 3min for lust

[quaint mauve]

everything i go through is meant for outlaw

:=p

[wicked obsidian]

like give acrobatics strike or kind of to everyone and then remove it completely because they don’t like it to have it for everyone… (except for retri)

[torpid fiber]

Iirc the current "best" time to use it is before a subterfuge window after a double coup, but I'm not 100% on that
You just don't want to let it hit full stacks and waste value

[marble meteor]

full stacks takes 3mins, so its either like a slow ass trinket, or a constant +6k agi

[torpid fiber]

Even though we aren't a cd spec we still do have times where we're doing more damage than others, so I try to line it up with those

[marble meteor]

so line it up with vanish

[torpid fiber]

Also sometimes I just don't send it on a pack if I don't feel like it's worth it lmao

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, try to line it up with your big vanishes if possible (not "save adr" ones)

Obviously it's also valuable to save it for situations where burst is useful

[craggy barn]

does our apl even optimize netherprism

[torpid fiber]

No clue

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-stealth-buffs-to-mythic-bosses-last-week-mythic-raid-tuning-hotfixes-378378#comments

[torpid fiber]

Probably worth checking tbh

[proven ocean]

Wow devs are microwaved

Raid buffs to bosses

[craggy barn]

yea maybe ill ask tcers later

[torpid fiber]

can just check a sim

Give me 2 mins

[cinder haven]

Raid bosses are now affected by all raid buffs your raid has active

[torpid fiber]

we do

# Send Unyielding Netherprism alongside a Vanish window after KIR is used.
actions.items+=/use_item,name=unyielding_netherprism,if=(rtb_buffs>=4|!talent.keep_it_rolling)&(buff.vanish.up|!talent.subterfuge)|fight_remains<=20

[craggy barn]

nice

[torpid fiber]

hmm
as written does the APL still send it by default at max stacks due to a default condition I wonder

[cinder haven]

Not from what I can tell from that line

Unless there's another line

[torpid fiber]

there's nothing else other than

# Default conditions for usable items.
actions.items+=/use_items,slots=trinket1,if=buff.between_the_eyes.up|trinket.1.has_stat.any_dps|fight_remains<=20
actions.items+=/use_items,slots=trinket2,if=buff.between_the_eyes.up|trinket.2.has_stat.any_dps|fight_remains<=20

hmm

fuck i forgot how to do the raidbots sim thing where you sim two APLs in one sim

my suspicion is that it will basically never actually hit max stacks

[cinder haven]

copy="your thing"
Changed list

[torpid fiber]

and so it doesn't matter meaningfully

[cinder haven]

It's enough to include the whole items list after copy