outlaw

[proven ocean]

Nah

Fb is bad prio

Negative ye

Thats why zac hates it

And its 0 aoe

So

[cinder haven]

That's only in theory

[quaint mauve]

but...

[proven ocean]

Its not in theory its in real gameplay afaik

[quaint mauve]

halls final boss

[proven ocean]

Zac definitely tested it alot

[cinder haven]

Yeah you lose some prio for extra targets

[proven ocean]

But idk

[cinder haven]

But that doesn't mean it does less prio than trickster?

[proven ocean]

i haven't been playing outlaw lately much

so idk

well

[cinder haven]

Idk either

[quaint mauve]

i was top dps every boss

[proven ocean]

it does i think

[cinder haven]

But I'll check

[proven ocean]

way less prio

bbut i gotta go eat now brb

[quaint mauve]

and it didnt feel like i was doing worse aoe, just no prio

ima keep testing

[cinder haven]

It's less aoe for sure though

At least sustained

Maybe not if you consider the burst though

[mighty pivot]

coins go to your current target not a random one

[cinder haven]

Running 8t sim fb vs trickster now

[daring oxide]

holding vanish for GS

[cinder haven]

Soon we shall know who has better prio

[daring oxide]

FB defo does

[compact narwhal]

ngl

[cinder haven]

I think so too but I wanna be sure

[compact narwhal]

i had gs macrod to disp/bte before so i think i was trolling, but changed halfway thru and started doing dmg

testing again

[daring oxide]

yes

macroing GS to anything but ADR cancelaura macro is trolling

[cinder haven]

Less pad more real damage

[inland acorn]

bte gs macro for stealth is fine

[cinder haven]

Yeah the bte GS macro is bad i think

[frank finch]

i maroed gs into vanish

seems to work fine

[compact narwhal]

for trickster i had those macros

[daring oxide]

thats fine too ye

[compact narwhal]

didnt change my bars

[cinder haven]

Since lucky window you can GS twice

[compact narwhal]

til midway

[daring oxide]

but

as long as you use a different button for normal BTE

[cinder haven]

With TB and a lot of ace procs that macro will wiff a GS at end of window

[inland acorn]

just macro modifier

to cast bte+bs

otherwise normal bte

[daring oxide]

i was assuming he had a different button for BTE+GS and one for BTE alone

[cinder haven]

Sim is done, fb wins prio on 8t by a lot

Like 350k DPS ahead

[inland acorn]

ye but how much aoe you sacrifice for it

[cinder haven]

8% or so

[inland acorn]

Why our hero talents are so shit

[cinder haven]

8% pad

For 350k real damage

[daring oxide]

@agile orchid wheres tuning bud

u promised me

[cinder haven]

Very disappointed

[inland acorn]

they still haven't decided

if they want to buff or nerf psychic link

give them time guys

[daring oxide]

shit

they probably looking at the new influx of Fatebound M+ logs coming in

maybe they gonna revert our buffs?!

[inland acorn]

they're gonna nerf us because of tobfon

gg

[daring oxide]

gg

[cinder haven]

Sry

[mighty pivot]

now they will nerf FB due to that

[cinder haven]

Should have waited until after tuning

[daring oxide]

hello blizzard staff in outlaw channel, please buff us 🙂

[inland acorn]

[proper veldt]

Wait but I simmed and it was a loss wat

Lies

[cinder haven]

Tbh though, fb is hardly broken in any way

[proper veldt]

Maybe I did something wrong

[mighty pivot]

they will wake the rogue devs up from their cryochambers

[proper veldt]

oh prio

[inland acorn]

i still think it's criminal we went through whole TWW

with those hero talents almost untouched

[cinder haven]

Also with my apl modifications of course

[mighty pivot]

untouched or made worse (Edge Case)

[inland acorn]

why you went and reminded me of that

[frank finch]

we gonna find out in a few weeks why

12 course meal incoming

[inland acorn]

[cinder haven]

what else was it that I was gonna sim?

ah right, vanish for gs with 4-5 cp

[compact narwhal]

theres prio since gs up constantly pmuch no?

at least on the dummy im hitting

[cinder haven]

that's part of it maybe

but trickster boosts BF damage

which is the opposite of prio you could say

so FB naturally has a bit more to start

[cedar kernel]

i hope blizz will tuning our ST dmg for trickster

tbh it looks kinda bad rn

[brazen lava]

Shee man I kinda feel like I do something terrible wrong with outlaw in keys

[inland acorn]

yeah

you answered yourself

you're playing outlaw

[brazen lava]

Love the gameplay tho haha

Assa/Sub kinda boring

[inland acorn]

ye they're sleepers

[brazen lava]

Yep

[quaint mauve]

not me though im outdpsing all these fotm dimwits

[brazen lava]

thats nice bro

[cinder haven]

oh right, this thing. If you ks into vanish gs bte you can wiff the coin right?

[quaint mauve]

im still thinking

next craft hmmmmm

[empty patrol]

boots

also the fact that u are human feels my heart with hope

[quaint mauve]

proc rate effect too OP though :p

[cedar kernel]

my tank likes to make the Big mommy pull very huge

[empty patrol]

ask the robot maybe

[cedar kernel]

cat is doing 40m+ i have seem today

[empty patrol]

[cedar kernel]

💀

me is only around 17m+

iirc that pull he made 24 mobs

in 15+

[empty patrol]

u mean feral?

[cedar kernel]

yea

[empty patrol]

yeah cat pumps

got some buffs

[cedar kernel]

but i think he made it too huge

[empty patrol]

only thing i find scary is FDKs

mad dmg

[quaint mauve]

now we wait

[empty patrol]

if thats not the case then prolly a neck or ring

sockets kinda okayge

[quaint mauve]

im getting sim baited

LOL?

[empty patrol]

[old python]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

i probs go belt me thinks then

[empty patrol]

!guide

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[cinder haven]

one thing I've noticed on FB is that you sometimes get fucked on energy by doing vanish into GS

wonder if we can do something about that

pooling?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[cinder haven]

looks like 0.1% gain to allow vanish at 5 cp or 4 cp with BS for FB

[quaint mauve]

yeah fb was fun while it lasted (2 keys)

i cant stand not having 1 hour tricks

[cinder haven]

is the hack not working anymore?

[quaint mauve]

nah i was blasting

[gaunt phoenix]

Oh gs not bs

[quaint mauve]

but 1 hour tricks

[gaunt phoenix]

You used to be able to apply tricks and literally swap hero trees

And it would be preserved

[heavy shadow]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk if they fixed it

[frank finch]

havent tested that ina while someone check that

[cinder haven]

you had to like, hit a dummy with it up before swapping

[quaint mauve]

the thing is

imo

it should be a baseline thing

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/check-it-out-steve-brule-gif-13871282

[cinder haven]

maybe 0.2% even for the cp thing, at least in dslice

[quaint mauve]

i love having simcraft premium

[cinder haven]

pooling didn't seem to do anything, unless I fucked up

[vernal fjord]

i tested a few of these things a few days back

il post in tc for you

[cinder haven]

does the pooling instruction even work for an off gcd spell like vanish with no cost?

even with extra_amount?

[quaint mauve]

wait.

fb sims better for me in dslice

[covert kestrel]

WAIT

[quaint mauve]

is tricks a cd

gcd

[random void]

Is there a big difference between HO and KIR bulid when running m+ under 10?

[covert kestrel]

KiR will be better but at less than 10 you can do whatever and be fine

[quaint mauve]

fb is simming better for me in dslice by 300k

[random void]

Need to learn KIR properly then

[covert kestrel]

Luckily it has some of the easiest rolling rules it's ever had so pretty easy these days

[quaint mauve]

@daring oxide idk if its just insane luck but im always high rolling on this build

[cinder haven]

it does in general

[red zinc]

man

they finally did it

been wanting these shoulders forever

[quaint mauve]

@random void !oh

uhhh

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[random void]

Good, because have this dagger anyway 😄

[quaint mauve]

i havent done my weekly nightfall

i dont wanna do it

i dread the moment cudgel actually drops

[daring oxide]

flithy assa rogues leaving keys

[quaint mauve]

lowkey man… there’s some tanks out there that would make me leave if i wasn’t playing ol

i was on a 9 minute chain pull in eco dome yesterday

[daring oxide]

probably just SOH doing its job?

[civic zephyr]

not seeing a lot of outlaw in keys compared too sin / sub rogue

[quaint mauve]

idk maybe i don’t read my talents

but yeah i feel like im always rolling 5 buffs

[daring oxide]

read SOH

Sleight of Hand

[daring oxide]

still working (ADR+GS macro) opener

[frank finch]

holy

oh wait

solo was talking about tricks swap

u baited me

[cinder haven]

cursed macro

/click [nocombat] AutoTankMisdirect Leftbutton 1
/cast [combat, nostealth] Vanish
/cast [combat, known:Hand of Fate] Ghostly Strike
/cast [combat, known:Hand of Fate] Adrenaline Rush
/cast [nocombat, nostealth] Stealth```

[frank finch]

wtf is that

[grim spear]

wf

[brazen lava]

when do we use Idol trinket?

[cinder haven]

yes

macro is basically vanish key, but you can also use it for stealth if ooc, and it triggers tricks

and works for both trickster and fb

idk, it'll probably suck somehow

[quaint mauve]

this is uhh

a lot

[cinder haven]

if you press it thinking you are ooc but you are not I guess you'll waste a vanish charge and adr 😛

most rogues spam their stealth key ooc also

[quaint mauve]

yeah ik i do

but you gave me an idea

of macro tricks on to my ooc stealth button

so i can do it after every pack

without forgetting

[civic zephyr]

anyone think outlaw will get a buff? or is it balanced?

[quaint mauve]

maybe , maybe not

[keen belfry]

Why no notes yet

[cedar kernel]

hard to say about whether we will get tuning

bc according to raid performance in wcl, we are in the medium stage which is good for blizz devs thinking might be

but seriously i rly wish they give us a 8% aura

the number for outlaw in keys is cringe rn

[civic zephyr]

wdym? -also - how many stacks of flawless form do you guys aim for when going into crackshot window?

[cedar kernel]

like in high keys, outlaw is very hard to do insane dps like arms can do rn

in some huge pull

[civic zephyr]

is arms target capped?

[cedar kernel]

but we are slightly greater in ST

iirc its 8 capped but soft no?

[civic zephyr]

unsure, i know we like to take them w/ outlaw to be the padder in a phys comp

[cedar kernel]

and its harder to push like before, i could easily do top 1 dmg in all physical team but right now feral>outlaw>arm(he lost in ST) and even i am not dying, feral would die sometimes, idk if this is route issue

a 8% aura buff will make us more comfortable

[civic zephyr]

what buff?

[cedar kernel]

just aura

[civic zephyr]

what does aura do?

like 8% blade flurry buff?

or 8% monk buff?

[cedar kernel]

it means numbers in overall mate, like a total buff for all damage

[civic zephyr]

ah ok

[copper radish]

saw a rogue with "Law" in the name playing as sin.... RIP

[civic zephyr]

hard to justify playing outlaw in keys when sin rogue and sub rogue exist

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN-XmaGjdd1/

gingi_tv

Sub and Assa rogue is popping off in season 3 currently! It’s a great time to be a rogue!

#mmorpg #worldofwarcraft #gamingreels #twitchclips #wowreels #wow #mythicplus #rwf

Likes

380

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[frigid owl]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f2AJcZwdXMrY3C7T?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5

anyone cares to point me to some mistakes?! I feel like I should do way more damage ...

[cedar kernel]

use !log

[frigid owl]

!log

[civic zephyr]

50M dps on a pack, outlaw would never get close

[copper radish]

what did i just watch happen

[frigid owl]

thx

[cedar kernel]

ur welcome

[quaint mauve]

lead the defiance

man i love this screenshot

[cedar kernel]

i need to do some keys

[quaint mauve]

same </3

i’ve been hyper fixated on

[cedar kernel]

escept the dawn everything is tough

[quaint mauve]

halls gloves

[quaint mauve]

how do u deal with first boss on dawn

i feel like she’s so cancer

[civic zephyr]

artemirogue doesnt know how to play their class if i had to guess

[cedar kernel]

i would hold ADR when the health below 58%

[quaint mauve]

ye he’s a hunter player

[cedar kernel]

or maybe 55%

[quaint mauve]

i see

it’s like one of the only bosses where i drop adr

bc she ends up in terrible spots

and casts for ages instead of moving

[cedar kernel]

yea u can hold it or if ADR going to off cd

i would stay on the ship longer

at least we got an fixed KS

cant imagine everytime i will fall off the ship when i use KS

[civic zephyr]

idk, this just makes me hope that either outlaw gets buffs or sub / sin gets nerfed...

bad mindset, ik but oh well lol

Ive been invited into a key and then got kicked to be replaced with a sin rogue before lol, ignorant but people look at the stats

[proven ocean]

i got u cuh 99 next week

[pearl topaz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[grim spear]

tried fb in eco+10
seems ok

fb’s rotation feels way much more comfortable than tricks

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

dexter ressurection yesterday's episode

9.9 imdb

crazy 9.2 show

last episode next week

[vivid vessel]

[white marten]

Lets go ROSS!

[proven ocean]

dude

firemaking is crazy

2 click 10k xp

2 click 10k xp

2 click 10k xp

2 min afk

💀

[white marten]

lmfao

meanwhile cooking.
2 click
2 click
2 click
5 mins afk
10m xp

[proven ocean]

cooking is 5 min afk?

what do u cook for that

[white marten]

na not that long, more like 1-2 xD

wine making

[proven ocean]

ah

but thats 2 diff items

so its kinda bad i want somethign slow af and 1 item no cappy

so ye

[white marten]

you WANT something slow af?

why?

[proven ocean]

well not slow

but more like

[quaint mauve]

no coup mini game is nice

[proven ocean]

i just click once

and it works

[white marten]

ohh

yeah for sure

[proven ocean]

i dont want to click on the item

fk that

too much effort

[white marten]

right click: burn all logs

pls

[proven ocean]

[grave carbon]

im not sure if its more tilting to do tank dps or top dps on the fisrt pull

[vivid vessel]

isnt there a weekly

thats suposed to be like

do activities in the other world

in the new zone

[grim spear]

more than just a phase

[proven ocean]

yes

at the cape guy

the guy u upgrade ur cloak at

[strong halo]

And you phase dive

For the 7 coins

[ashen void]

like mario 64

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

ur phase diving rn?

[strong halo]

Bro unless you’re Zac pushing for r1 it literally doesn’t matter what you play

OUTLAW SUPREMACY

Honestly outlaw isn’t even that bad Zac’s a doomer because he pushes super high keys which is fair

[civic zephyr]

its not that its bad, its the opposite, why pick outlaw when sin and sub rogue exist

at least for keys

[alpine stag]

Because outlaw is fun

[civic zephyr]

its like why pick aug evoker when devestation exist

[random void]

If you don’t like dot gameplay

[vivid vessel]

im phase diving these nuts

[civic zephyr]

its not about what i like

its about what society likes

[strong halo]

Ye its unplayable because of how godlike Assas is, time for
You to go to Assas channel

[jolly geyser]

do the wipe sumo build

[tawny nymph]

Does anybody know, why we include the stealth cancel in the macro:

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```

[vivid vessel]

because its bugged

and the talent doeesnt work if you adr from stealth directly

[tawny nymph]

Ah ok

Was not sure about that

That’s giga cringe

[random void]

I swaped to ot from asa because of preferences, don’t like dot gameplay and ot is fun even tho I do less dmg

[strong halo]

Only FB is bugged no?

[vivid vessel]

well eys ?

its the coins from the adr talent

[strong halo]

Just checking every day is a new bug

Will bm pets work this season? Who knows

[mighty pivot]

The Lack of QA Within

[dawn talon]

outlaw has been this buggy for like forever

[proven ocean]

phase dive this

[civic zephyr]

yeah, i play outlaw because its fun too. just wild that sub rogue can do 54M on 8 target but outlaw cant

granted yes theyre a CD class and we arent but still

[glass mortar]

well sub is a burst spec

outlaw is never gunna be comparable to a burst spec on single pulls that they use cds on

wouldnt be very balanced if it was

its about dungeon overalls and boss damage moreso

[strong halo]

You do 12m sustained when they do 6 off cds

[random void]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[random void]

Where I can read all commands

[civic zephyr]

overall? my floodgate is around 7M - not the best outlaw player and i still have things to learn / optimize.. but is the overall on sin and sub not better than outlaw? assuming equal player skill?

[glass mortar]

they can

and as u go higher up in keys they will more easily

cd specs tend to scale better with key level while outlaw is kinda agnostic

[strong halo]

Depends on key and level. I did 9M overall on floodgate 14 yesterday

[vivid vessel]

thats not even true

burst specs that do no damage outside of their cds isnt even a thing anymore

assa will outdamage you every pull

[civic zephyr]

yeah, i dont look at my buffs enough and idk if i understand the whole escalating blades cd thing... i got a lot to learn.. im sure there's other factors like key level, comp, and pull size. IDK idk

[late swallow]

@vivid vessel thoughts?

[civic zephyr]

i track my flawless form stacks - i see it get up to 16 stacks a lot more than i see it get around 24ish stacks.. so im pretty sure im messing up something there

[vivid vessel]

delusional

its worse than s1

and in raid

its prolly the worse tier

outlaw ever had

since i started the game

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

outlaw players enjoy saying outlaw is good enough every season

even when its terrible

idk

[glass mortar]

but it wins in my pugs

!!!

[strong halo]

Bro Zac doesn’t realize that the way he plays is the 0.1% of players

[glass mortar]

now the players im playing against in my pugs also press 1 kick a key

and are doing 50% of their potential dps

[strong halo]

Most outlaw players here if they play good enough will win in pugs

[glass mortar]

but i still smash them

[cinder haven]

It's enjoyable to play, but output is kinda meh

[civic zephyr]

how can anyone argue with the probable best outlaw player

[late swallow]

if your goal is farming vault keys

outlaw is fine I guess

[cinder haven]

The ks fix is fine

[strong halo]

Just word vomit everything he says lmao then idk

[vivid vessel]

eh

[jolly geyser]

I dont like the dungeons this season

[strong halo]

Because he doesn’t play the same game as the rest of us

[vivid vessel]

made outlaw damage profile so much worse

[glass mortar]

every spec in the game tops in ur pugs if u are playing it at close to its maximum damage tho

[cinder haven]

Did it really?

Isn't it just tuning?

[strong halo]

If I was pushing top 1% I’d be on every blizzard forum for a buff.

[glass mortar]

except aug actually

well no because they buffed our damage while nerfing bf

thats profile changing

u squish the aoe

its not like BF exponentially scales with ilvl or something, its always a basic function of our st

so we do less aoe relative to our ST this season then last as a result

and we arent doing more st relative to other dps then we did lass season

[vivid vessel]

ks is rng targetting wdym

and yes

the bf nerf

[cinder haven]

Yeah ok fair

[vivid vessel]

was terrible

it wasnt just tuning

[glass mortar]

yea the kspree thing is very cringe too

[cinder haven]

Unrelated to ks but bad yes

[glass mortar]

me when this weeks affix is out but kspree is off cd

[vivid vessel]

its not like they will tune you to do 10% mroe st than everyone this season to compensate nerfing bf by 10$%

if anything we are tuned terrible in st anyway

so its even wors

[late swallow]

love reading zac and tobfon discuss outlaw. just two black kings hashing it out

[vivid vessel]

i think som shoudltn be allowed a keyboard

[glass mortar]

[late swallow]

when a black king starts spittin knowledge, I sit my white ass down and listen

[jolly geyser]

[late swallow]

holy shit a COOM tag

[vivid vessel]

wait wtf

i lost my gooner tag again

@jolly geyser invite me to coom

ok

wait

som send a message

[civic zephyr]

hi

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

hi

wait

[late swallow]

coomer reporting for duty

[vivid vessel]

hi?

[strong halo]

Is it even possible to buff outlaw ST without breaking aoe?

[vivid vessel]

tf bro

why is it not working

[strong halo]

What do you even buff? GS?

[late swallow]

go back to the server and fill out the form

[cinder haven]

Don't buff GS please

[lone spear]

buff GS AND make it cost no energy

[strong halo]

But how do you you buff ST without breaking the AoE?

[vivid vessel]

its just buggd bro

doesnt owrk

[strong halo]

idk just 3% flat buff doesnt really fix our issues

[lone spear]

i mean, the problem is our single target as tricskter right?

[jolly geyser]

remove GS

[lone spear]

our ST as fatebound isnt that bad

[strong halo]

its pretty bad

[lone spear]

i think the raid being shitty for us probs means we need a buff

[strong halo]

fract / loom / 1st boss we are pretty behind

Buff Coup 20%? that would be dope

[random stirrup]

move fth to a better spot so you can always take x2, buff the debuff GS applies to like 20%

[lone spear]

i mean we're like, next to assass

[vivid vessel]

wait

i want this one actually

give me this tag

[lone spear]

HAHAHA

[vivid vessel]

drop an invite cuh

[lone spear]

its a my classic wow guilds server

i can ask for you bro

[vivid vessel]

ok drop an invite

[late swallow]

oink is really good too

[vivid vessel]

i will be nice

ye i want oink

[proven ocean]

wait

@lone spear invite me but not zac

ok

?

[vivid vessel]

no??

[proven ocean]

yes??

fast fast

!!

no cappy

[lone spear]

its 1:30am here in australia, so you will have to wait until tomorrow

[vivid vessel]

no wtf???

[lone spear]

mods are sleep

[proven ocean]

WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH IT

wake them up

[vivid vessel]

just drop an invite cuh

[proven ocean]

now

invite only

just

inv

no cappy

nothing else

!

@cinder haven tobfon said that

cant wait for realz to read this

[jolly geyser]

remove GS

[vivid vessel]

ok i guess i will have to keep the coom tag for now ..

remove gs fr

[cinder haven]

What makes you think realz does what I say?

[cinder haven]

Ye

[proven ocean]

cuz i said so idk

[cedar kernel]

zac may i ask a question?

[vivid vessel]

ye cuh

[proven ocean]

ac
[MITA]
— 7:40 PM
zac may i ask a question?

[jolly geyser]

zeross my kb has brown keys,thoughts?

[strong halo]

GS is shit

[proven ocean]

what

oh

[cedar kernel]

do i have a way to get monkseas route, like my monk want to play it in my group but most of times he did a lots of mistake by watching vedios

[strong halo]

such a weird cop out for blizz to make a ST buff

[proven ocean]

keyboard

[cedar kernel]

like we want to try it

[proven ocean]

nice no cappy i have brown keycaps too

[jolly geyser]

nice,you the kb man afterall

50kbs in closet

[proven ocean]

i didnt like how they looked like irl tho so i didnt use 'em much

[vivid vessel]

you can get them from raiderio no?

its not perfect but its ok i think

[cedar kernel]

oh wait

does it exist?

[proven ocean]

kira does good routes too

kira's routes are best all arounder

like if u dont know whats going on

[cedar kernel]

i would look into it

[proven ocean]

just copy kira route

[cedar kernel]

ty

[proven ocean]

kinda every season ppl copy his routes

so ye

[fair oak]

KIRAWARRIOR

[proven ocean]

most of it is from chinese guys tho

not from him realistically

[fair oak]

5% ATTACK POWER

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vivid vessel]

you click here

bac

its not perfect

but its ok

[proven ocean]

chinese guys are the best in retail M+

no cappy

better than echo by alot

but in mdi echo wins

i resp[ect chinese guys tho they love bug abusing

i love bug abusing

@cedar kernel do the chinese guys want to know about new raid buff tech btw?

or do they not know

cuz i dont see anyone using it

[cedar kernel]

they already know it

[proven ocean]

really

do they use it

or

[cedar kernel]

yea i think

yea

[proven ocean]

cuz i legit dont see anyone who knows about it

what is it then

?

[vivid vessel]

another one

no way

[proven ocean]

ye

i figured it out like last season but idk if anyone's using it

cuz

i legit saw no one using it

0 logs with raid buffs

[cedar kernel]

they hided

[grim spear]

what?

[cedar kernel]

oh btw the netease is banning boost

rn

but idk tbh

i left the community so long

[proven ocean]

i dont think thats true

i genuinely think they dont know at all

[jolly geyser]

what bug spill the beans

[proven ocean]

i wont share the bug lmao

i dont want people to use it

[jolly geyser]

but I want em to use it.get smol suspension

[cedar kernel]

i am looking into the route

[proven ocean]

ye they dont know about it

i checked every log i could find

and their vods dont have raid buffs

so

still a small sample tho

[jolly geyser]

ok,what buff they get?

[vivid vessel]

you can hide buffs in your ui tho

[proven ocean]

ye i know

still no buff in logs aswell

so

it doesnt matter

[late swallow]

[cedar kernel]

now the only thing i can do for outlaw

is praying

to get a buff

[mighty pivot]

convince bolas to play outlaw

[ornate atlas]

Hey, i tried to refresh my outlaw to try it on DH boss, while i was checking my sims, I've noticed that profile is using ADR on prepull, and then on pull ADR pull is getting removed with combat start. Is it okay for sim to work like this?

[hardy thicket]

ADR doesnt get removed on combat start

You see sim following up with a BtE plus GS instantly on pull meaning it ADR:ed on pull to get to full CPs to open with a finisher instantly on boss.

If you ADR 1s too early before boss is actually pulled your CPs gained from ADR will however be removed when combat starts.

[ornate atlas]

so its more like visual bug for sim, yes?
the buff appears when AR gets used when the CD is off

i get it that how we should play, but i was wondering if it impacts sim numbers

[hardy thicket]

Im not a sim expert but I would make an educated guess that solo wouldnt let that slide

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's just a visual thing with that specific raidbots display

[ornate atlas]

add html report display to that visual bug too then 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

it's the same thing

probably has to do with the buff being 2000 seconds long when you cast it from stealth

so whatever logic the sample is using to pick up buff display doesn't hit it

[ornate atlas]

oh, its treated as these permanent buffs, so its not shown?

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it's just a quirk of the sample code that if a buff is longer than the sim duration then it might not pick it up for display

[ornate atlas]

okay, thanks for explanation, was bugging me for a while

[zinc briar]

are we still not buffed? dindt remove aoe cap?

what to do 40-50M in big pulls with outlaw 🙂

[red zinc]

naw still capped just like your braincells

[zinc briar]

Wooow n1 Timmy, so funny

[true gate]

Guys I start rogue in s3 people say assa is bug and outlaw is cool is good in raid cleave and single target ? And mm+ ?

[gaunt phoenix]

that seems unnecessary

[willow portal]

just saw that build for araz, is it worth dropping deft for sleight?

[gaunt phoenix]

would rather use this

[willow portal]

for more st then?

[gaunt phoenix]

sleight may have some cooks in the future though

[willow portal]

deft feels really nice to have tho, but i might just try tomorrow with swift slasher

[red zinc]

All that nephew ever posts about are balance complaints

getting quite stale

[frail veldt]

what are the odds of a 5 roll rn?

without sleight

[rapid ore]

what is it that doesnt let me restealth after the bridge miniboss + 2 dogs pack in streets?

[gaunt phoenix]

2%

idk bug

[rapid ore]

i hate it

[gaunt phoenix]

The dogs probably have some aura that tries to detect when the other dies

[frail veldt]

yeah its like perma combat or something

I just vanish

[radiant vessel]

Just meld

[rapid ore]

dwarf gaming

[civic zephyr]

its warrior bleeds on the dogs that dont go away til its done ticking

at least when my warrior tank tanks it

[frail veldt]

I love getting kicked from a group in lfg then seeing them relist and replace me with a frost dk lol

[strong halo]

I have a weak aura issue where the first time i load in i have a massive Premeditation in stealth, but when i open my weakauras, it dissapears and is no where to be seen again

[frail veldt]

lololol

[red zinc]

like, i love gambling, man

i want 5buff to feel like i just hit a big bet on green

[strong halo]

Any ideas on how to fix?

[red zinc]

just reinstall whatever wa its coming from

Probably some class bundle thingie

[strong halo]

yeah but mine is like heavily edited

i dont wna lose these WA changes i did ;3

[red zinc]

Then just look for the premed part of it and delete it i guess

I didnt even know that was still a thing honestly

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf is premeditation

[red zinc]

Sub? talent

Idk if its still around

[willow portal]

it is i think

i read the sub guide a few times the last days

[gaunt phoenix]

we dont help s*b players

[strong halo]

legit doesnt exist idk i cant find it

[willow portal]

premed is full combo points for first builder uot of stelath

i think

[red zinc]

im submissive but also outlaw what then

[gaunt phoenix]

🧎‍♂️

[willow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/waow-based-wow-thinking-doodle-gif-12262272166408784207

[gaunt phoenix]

[cedar kernel]

we dont help sha bi players?

[red zinc]

Yo by the way

How are we shortening midnight as an expansion name

Like

[gaunt phoenix]

mid

[red zinc]

Every other xpac is two combined words or more so shortening is easy asf

[gaunt phoenix]

well legion is legion

[red zinc]

People aint saying “M S1”

[willow portal]

Mn

[red zinc]

that looks off too

[willow portal]

M M+ S1

[ripe ibex]

why would it not just be mn

[red zinc]

sorry that was just a random thought i had

Real question i was gonna ask

Whats the timeline on alpha/beta

[willow portal]

or we confuse the freedom uniters with 24

[red zinc]

Since I assume we get class updates info somewhere in between

Like with hero talents

[cinder haven]

I though alpha was pretty soon

[red zinc]

beta is like what, 3 months before release

And xpac will most likely be mid feb - late feb

[jolly geyser]

just remember reporting bugs does fuck all

in beta atleast

[red zinc]

oh naw i just want to see apex talents so i can start complaining about how the others are better asap

[willow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/suggestion-box-gif-9789253898542238680

[cinder haven]

very satisfying gif

[willow portal]

live recording of bug reports during alpha

i just hope the outlaw rework will be nice

i tried sub and its just not as much fun as outlaw

But i really need more people to sandbag on outlaw so i dont feel as bad

[jolly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747561446539395205/1411399388756181012/zef06kxh96mf1.jpeg?ex=68b4839c&is=68b3321c&hm=1dbf51c395bfbfc314d6b081a6aac9f832bb5775a149899e5ac26db5288ac68c&

[willow portal]

i dont get it

[gaunt phoenix]

me neither

your humor transcends us

[jolly geyser]

actual murder

[willow portal]

thats literally the correct way besides the weapon thing

[grim spear]

for me the most unfun spec (outlaw) is more fun than assa

[willow portal]

what makes a spec fun then

outlaw is just a dopamine factory (if lucky)

[worldly shale]

outlaw is like the most fun spec in the game wym

its like

what a gambling addict would do

if he wasnt a gambling addict

u know

[willow portal]

i suspect i might have adhd and outlaw feels very fitting for that

:)

[cinder haven]

I have adadadadadad

[rapid ore]

especially when channeling ks

[worldly shale]

water break

[gaunt phoenix]

my buff is a mystery

[worldly shale]

i sometimes fill my mouth with creatine

while channeling ks

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[worldly shale]

just to be efficent

u know

[worldly shale]

midnight rework

to help not use wa

we make outlaw buffs a mystery

u have no idea what u get

[willow portal]

what would be cool if rolls where like commulative. so we always get broadside when we only roll a 1 but then it just goes down the line

[rapid ore]

lock in one buff prekey and it gets 1 sec added per cp spend

[red zinc]

buffs would need redesigning but honestly ive heard worse ideas

[inland acorn]

What would be cool is reverting that nonsense haste tax on adr

And makw hastw actually provide some energy regen

So we dont feel like shit outside of ADR

[willow portal]

do we get relevant dps from lust btw?

[inland acorn]

Last time i simmed st with vs without lust

It was like 30k dps

Or 80k

One of those

[red zinc]

think its like 80 yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

lust is just more like an rng cushion

[jolly geyser]

lust stat should be choseable

[frail veldt]

we get less dps from lust/PI than most tank specs

HO might benefit more though

or maybe if you had some trinkets that scale with haste

[covert kestrel]

MAIN GAUCHE FINNA GO 🅱️ RAZY

[strong halo]

this mofo only appears first time i load in

[covert kestrel]

Lmao

Jump scare

[somber fractal]

anybody know the escalating blade spell ID off the top of their head?

nvm got it

[jolly geyser]

premedstare

[jolly geyser]

[wet nest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8HAgCW3P79oGdzVxaYhmKq why is lily simming so high for me?

[gaunt phoenix]

similar to house of cards last tier, a mastery on use is fine in aoe for kir

[wet nest]

aight ty

[buoyant cosmos]

I ask priests to not PI me if I notice it and hear "I press it when it glows"

[zinc briar]

why is zac using always vanish with btw up? its not better to use bte and then vanish to renew the cd?

[mild vigil]

depends on timing really

around adr

[zinc briar]

ye but ignore adr

he had 15 secs

and adc cd up in 2 rotations

so wasnt to save adr

and hes is doing many times that

[mild vigil]

idk dude could just be old muscle memory, zac's been playing outlaw for a long time

[zinc briar]

hes to good for that

[mild vigil]

bte cd getting refreshed is relatively new

[zinc briar]

nah, not really

its since season 2

@vivid vessel why 🙁

[frail veldt]

Yeah theres a WA for priest that highlights raid frames when specs have their major cool down active. The problem is outlaws cool down is adr so it's always glowing

[random stirrup]

bte cooldown isnt relevant for vanish conditions

[zinc briar]

yes but u want to use it as much as u can

so u can save vanish for like 1 more rotation of combo points

[random stirrup]

the flawless form stacks from double cdg don't last that long, want to use them asap on vanish and then maybe ks out of vanish

[zinc briar]

he had adr perma with those rolls and no cast coming, ks cd, nothing to vanish

and vanished insta after the last btw of subtefurge

he could do one more and then vanish

[vivid vessel]

Idk lol

It's irrelevant anyway

[zinc briar]

hahahahahahaa

[vivid vessel]

Bte is barely better than dispatch outside of stealth rn

We don't care

[zinc briar]

u were doing 18M on that pull

[mighty pivot]

0 dmg doing that 0 dmg not doing that

[vivid vessel]

• if you bte before vanish always you will much ks cdr

[zinc briar]

ok ill try to play like u

vanishing to keep subtefurge perma

if ks is cd

and adr is up

i thought that we had to do one last bte to let it on cd and then vanish for the next

if we have double dispatch with grace

but bf is cd and pistol shot proc is up with 3 or 6

[frail veldt]

nah thats gone now

[zinc briar]

we dont use pistol between the double dispatch?

[vague cape]

we can

[frail veldt]

I think im gona stop bteing after KS so that I dont haev to deal with ace proc delaying me consuming my UB stacks

[frail veldt]

you can use any builder except SS between coups

if you cant build without ss then you just coup at low cps

[ashen bay]

oh boy legion remix will take over retail

https://www.wowsaga.com/news/legion-remix-roadmap-full-schedule-of-phases-and-unlocks

[zinc briar]

ahm

[daring oxide]

even with RP up?

[frail veldt]

Its for sure better but its not worth delaying vanish for

its only better for the ace proc chance

[covert kestrel]

Not unless they unbork the fun gating mechanics they seem hellbent on

[ashen bay]

ye time wasting for sure until expa release

[cinder relic]

Wdym

[covert kestrel]

I appreciate and see you but don't really feel like getting into a "ForeverGuy defends blizz" discussion atm. Hope you're having a lovely Saturday

[indigo token]

why do they not let us transfer crests during turbo boost

thats one

[vivid vessel]

[tawny meteor]

Hello are you using AR on Cd on m+

Why outlaw is so low on huge pulls

[proven ocean]

[proven ocean]

Idk try reading bladeflurry for once

[gaunt phoenix]

that's kind of rude

but yes outlaw is full target capped and doesnt have burst cooldowns

you do the same dps every pull

[gaunt phoenix]

ya you try to maintain adrenaline rush indefinitely

95%+ uptime

[buoyant cosmos]

I thought it was just built into the game now, but yeah that's 100% when we don't want it lol

I always just add a name to my macro if I'm on my priest

[nova cargo]

hey do we play with dagger in offhand or sword or mace?

[gaunt phoenix]

They're the same

dagger is very, very slightly better

[fierce trout]

Sword for mog

[nova cargo]

ok

[buoyant cosmos]

always

[nova cargo]

and enchant?

[frail veldt]

radiant power

[nova cargo]

archon sait power

wowhead saitd depths

[gaunt phoenix]

depths seems to fall off when you are geared

[buoyant cosmos]

that could be for raid

[gentle sky]

is it best to play Dwarf or NF ?

[buoyant cosmos]

human or BE

[frail veldt]

dwarf

night elf meld is hard to get good success rate out of it

dwarf is just perma damage

[gentle sky]

so the dps is a bit better to ? or is it just the DEF ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Dwarf/tauren are like 1.2% ahead of other races cause of their crit damage racial

[willow portal]

hooman tho

i use that racial sooo often somehow

[ivory holly]

Yo, just starting to learn outlaw but for the life of me half the guides i've watched don't make sense, i'm a crayon eating dev evoker player normally, would anyone be willing to sit in a voice and explain a bunch of shit, i was gunna put this earlier but decided to do some more research and now my brains even more blasted than it was

[late swallow]

Based self awareness appreciator

[frail veldt]

That's actually crazy it's that much

[daring oxide]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965458290358235147/1402954391811526677/LIZARD.gif?width=515&height=254

[frail veldt]

Is it time to swap off NE

I don't raid so I guess it doesn't matter

[late swallow]

Always has been

[ivory holly]

I thought i was fairly decent at learning classes before this but this ones just in one ear out the other

[frail veldt]

Meld is decent in keys at least

[daring oxide]

Outlaw is a feel spec

You just need to practice a lot and become one with outlaw

No other way

[late swallow]

Ya outlaw is really all about the rhythm of it

[frail veldt]

Maybe it's time someone made a video going through the faq essentially haha

[willow portal]

both races are like 5% behind on tmog tho

[frail veldt]

I kinda like how tauren looks haha

[late swallow]

Speak for yourself

[ivory holly]

I've legit read through that faq 3 times now XD

[late swallow]

Thick dwarf baddies

[frail veldt]

Ew

[late swallow]

Keep yer feet on the ground

[willow portal]

i only started recently and my way was to just play it and when i get comfortable on some level i just start researching more logic

[willow portal]

stinky dwarf feeties

[pure folio]

I wouldnt look at the advanced section until you're familiar with the spec and the feel of the gameplay loop

[late swallow]

Just play the Hidden Opportunity build to start

[pure folio]

Also, HO is easier to play than KIR

^^^^

[ivory holly]

I played sub in pvp for a season thought it would be similar... i'm wrong so wrong

[late swallow]

Until you’re comfy with crackshot and shit

[pure folio]

Sub is so much simpler

and a compeltely different profile i feel like

Outlaw isnt really a bursty CD reliant spec

[random geyser]

Outlaw is very limited in its use right now too not very good for raid and good for farm keys/pugs but not at high end

[pure folio]

Doesnt really matter imo, if he wants to learn a spec for fun its viablity shouldn't matter

youll outcrank the average fotm players if youre good enough

[frail veldt]

None of us are here cuz outlaw is good lol

[random geyser]

i was just letting him know he is new might be a lot of effort if you dont know its struggling

lol

[late swallow]

Outlaw is a certified cult classic

[frail veldt]

Worth it

Most rewarding rotation of any spec imo

[pure folio]

you say that until you play perfectly and still get punished because of rng xD

and end up auto attacking because u had to press GS without adr up

(why does gs cost so much)

[willow portal]

i marcod it into everything so i just get random empty energy spikes

[old gull]

I’m addicted to it, I can’t play anything else.

Even assa on an alt gets boring quick

20 year wow player and idk why I didn’t try outlaw before DF

[pure folio]

well, assa is a boring spec

[worldly shale]

i just play sub when i HAVE To

[pure folio]

thats like saying u get bored quick watching paint dry

[worldly shale]

literally when its considered trolling i swap sub

so araz king and dim

[old gull]

All relative, I was feral for many years it’s like the same thing

[worldly shale]

XD

[random geyser]

so ur a sub main now XD

[worldly shale]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[random geyser]

idk sounds like it

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-dead-void-spiraling-jumping-gif-23232789

[random geyser]

gonna have to lie and say sub rogue to get back into a CE guild i think

[old gull]

Sub kinda feels like the fantasy accurate wow rogue spec

[frail veldt]

I think its just the closest to classic wow

[worldly shale]

its cool compared to assa

[frail veldt]

but fantasy wise the "rogue" archetype is pretty broad

[worldly shale]

but outlaw is the coolest spec

itg

[old gull]

Yea that’s what I mean

[cinder relic]

No I legit just don't know what they are doing

I'm just curious

[red zinc]

no infinite stat scaling in the current build

(secondary stat i mean)

wont have the ludicrous amounts of haste/whatever else you had in mop remix

as well as it taking hours to get primary stat upgrades after you finish the initial tree which give minor buffs to your total damage

not even a % damage increase per multiple hours or so

They said they were working on it for another round of testing this week though so theres still hope

[hybrid crown]

It sounds like they are going to change a lot from that blue post

[tight kernel]

@vivid vessel last miniboss hoa

[cinder relic]

Ah I see

[tight kernel]

how? tank just goes to adds and funnel it?

[indigo token]

damn

rip turtle wow

[cinder relic]

I haven't kept up with legion remix

I skipped mop remix cuz I was traveling, the cosmetics this time seem so insane

[indigo token]

dude

i want the antoran command cape so bad

its gonna go so hard

harder than a boner

[frail veldt]

honestly mop remix being broken/buggy was probably the best part

[quaint mauve]

ughhhhh how do i macro smart tricks

before my ooc stealth

so i do it in between packs

[sage pawn]

i use zac's https://wago.io/kQ2LnX4zP - works well, but not in delves (needs focus)

[vivid vessel]

ye

i just play trickster in delves

so you just tircks braan at the start

and you are all set

whjatever right

[sage pawn]

yep

[keen belfry]

gonna do a uh

fatebound +12 arakara

wish meluck

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

[keen belfry]

when do i roll with soh and ld

theres one more rull right

rule

[fast cloak]

Does anyone use the councils guile enchants?

Bloodmallet shows it as best for st and aoe but everywhere else says diff

[random geyser]

sim it

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah it's kinda new. the crit or vers enchants can sim very mildly ahead

[mighty pivot]

the new trickster set plays like shit at times

[random void]

to which skill is the best to asign GS?

[frail veldt]

am I pressing feint too much lol

[vivid vessel]

not enough i would say

and im conservative

[frail veldt]

okay fasho

im also still running cheat

so I have no reason to press it outside of aoe damage

I pretty much press it every time I KS cuz why not

[jolly geyser]

the moneys

[swift hedge]

is there a bug with AR right now, i feel like i'm not getting the energy regen from it all the time

[strong halo]

How do you even make money these days

[strong halo]

When should you press? Every aoe?

[jolly geyser]

I do abit of everything,pets,materials and AH fuckery etc

[cinder relic]

[keen belfry]

i did 7.76 it feels like ass seeing my BF be like 20% lower in overall dmg xd

[quaint mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1130256746254975137/1152839317455114260/SteamANGY3.gif