outlaw

[vivid vessel]

araz

[digital linden]

oh mb i thought u meant soulbinder

[glass mortar]

this is not something outlaw has almost ever had to do

[vivid vessel]

not soulbinder

[glass mortar]

historically outlaw is strong ST with free cleave and gives up minor ST to have strong cleave

[vivid vessel]

you also take dancing steel, which you wouldnt be taking otherwise

so ye

its 10%

[glass mortar]

now its

[tender wedge]

ah right between the two yes

far out

[vivid vessel]

i think the 1 fth thing is like 7% rn

i dont remember

[tender wedge]

even thats kinda crazy

[indigo token]

man

[tender wedge]

wouldn't have thought its that much, i mean i know it feels yuck but

[indigo token]

outlaws just a fucked spec in and out huh

[vivid vessel]

100%

:)

im sorry but

this is disgusting to me

cant wait for add damage to be excluded

[digital linden]

is it not good to kill adds?

they can be a real pressure point for mid guilds

[vivid vessel]

not when you lose that much boss dps

• you arent killing the adds that much its not like outlaw was bursting them down

[tender wedge]

tbh i think that as people get more geared up, those adds are going to get instantly deleted by the burst aoe specs

and outlaws gonna get nothing from it anyway

[digital linden]

ye i mean eventually it wont even be pad just a straight up loss

[tender wedge]

but for now kinda feels like they need attentionh

[dawn talon]

with ele, havoc, arcane, sub, etc in the game? no

lol

[digital linden]

you'd be surprised bro

[vivid vessel]

just play sub

and do that for free

[dawn talon]

yes if ur guild needs add damage

play sub

and do 10x more damage to adds

[tender wedge]

i spent the first 5-10 pulls as outlaw

[dawn talon]

AND the best boss damage in the game

[tender wedge]

then went sub and immediately jumped like 1m more dps

very cool

i am not a good sub player

[ocean lodge]

I'm playing outlaw and pretending until I trip over a prism

[tender wedge]

prism haunts me

[buoyant cosmos]

I stole one from a sin rogue this week

[ocean lodge]

based

[tender wedge]

we've seen none drop in normal or heroic yet

[ocean lodge]

My rogue isn't my prog main so I gotta pug for mine

wheeee

[buoyant cosmos]

At least it's free on heroic

[ocean lodge]

heroic is kind of a pushover

[indigo token]

yknow

if UHUH has to go

[buoyant cosmos]

Hardest part of king seems to be just getting the right color swirls to stack together

[indigo token]

there should be a talent that gives you extra CDR on AR and Blade Flurry

or ideally

[ocean lodge]

uncap blade flurry

[indigo token]

keep the portion of BF not losing duration with AR up

[ocean lodge]

Bring back blunderbus+greenskin

[tender wedge]

Even-More-Restless Blades

[ocean lodge]

Or make greenskin work on the entire volley of shots and not just the first

[indigo token]

"By Any Means Necessary"

on some young jeezy shit

[ocean lodge]

Imagine a triple barrage of blunderbuss empowered by greenskin

outlaw now has burst

[digital linden]

what were the adds on forgeweaver called?

[tender wedge]

what would you drop for greenskins though

[ocean lodge]

they're reworking the tree anyway so idfk

[digital linden]

arcane manifestation?

[ocean lodge]

At this point I'll just be happy if we don't get transformed into ret/bm

[indigo token]

im still insulted about how greenskins wickers are completely unusable

since DF

[ocean lodge]

Why doesn't greenskin buff the entire volley

that's such an easy fix

[indigo token]

because there is no rogue dev

its a weekend at bernies scenario

puppeting a corpse of someone who never existed

[ocean lodge]

I genuinely don't understand the issue with outlaw and why it was specified for that weird dev column thing

[indigo token]

me neither honestly

[ocean lodge]

What's so hard about it? The tracking?

[indigo token]

like

[ocean lodge]

What did they mean?

[indigo token]

is that really it

its not that hard to do KIR

[ocean lodge]

default ui fucking sucks for tracking

[indigo token]

buff tracking has to be it

in which case

[ocean lodge]

you don't kill a spec over that

[indigo token]

the devs fucking suck

[ocean lodge]

like

Just make the tracking better?

[indigo token]

how are you unable to make BUFF TRACKING

[ocean lodge]

Make a little roll the bones interface for outlaw rogues on your fake weakaura thing

[indigo token]

LIKE

[ocean lodge]

Vanish, pew pew, send killing spree, stab stab, vanish, pew pew

[indigo token]

ITS THE SAME THING FOR FUCKING

TEMPEST

ON ENH SHAMAN

legit

[ocean lodge]

Like

[indigo token]

just make a buff tracking option

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel u want them to remove boss damage froms logs so what

[ocean lodge]

roll logic sucks but kir eliminates a lot of that.

[indigo token]

its REALLY NOT THAT HARD

[glass mortar]

outlaw literally cant do any damage on the fight

of course pc is 100% playrate

if u try to play a st build on that fight u literally dont do any damage

not even boss

[vivid vessel]

what

I mean

[ocean lodge]

I hope they at least buff outlaw before murdering it

[glass mortar]

er add

[vivid vessel]

i know

[glass mortar]

yea

[vivid vessel]

yes

[lime lake]

its not that they cant track stuff like that, they explicitly chose not to

[vivid vessel]

especially on the boss before

[lime lake]

which is even better

[vivid vessel]

nazinrdi

or whatever

[lime lake]

[vivid vessel]

this guy should have the little adds you break off the things to get removed

keep the longer set maybe

idk

still

i will reclear every boss as fatebound full st

next week

idc

playing trickster pc on these bosses is pure pad cringe

for no reason

and it makes outlaw look better than it is

while its complete garbage

makes me mad

no cap

[digital linden]

outlaw add damage wasnt even that bad when i played prog

[fathom bramble]

I''m doing my part

[vivid vessel]

you played pc

i do not respect you anymore lok

you are part of the problem

[fathom bramble]

raidlead said "all add damage for now"

[vivid vessel]

[fathom bramble]

I did as I was told

[vivid vessel]

imma reclear the whole raid as fatebound outlaw

do 0 damage

on every boss

as intended

[fathom bramble]

I just did reclear with trickster no pc on that boss

it was interesting

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

im not doing that

i think its just worse no ?

[fathom bramble]

I think

[vivid vessel]

idk

[fathom bramble]

it's doomed

[vivid vessel]

whatever

ye

[fathom bramble]

and I no longer care

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

its cringe

[dawn talon]

im just playing my mage bro

[indigo token]

like

the more I think about it

the angrier I get

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk I just want the tier to be over now idc

we are acceptable on like 2 bosses and good on 1

and doomed on the final 2

[vivid vessel]

[fathom bramble]

and every boss was easy except the last 2

so who even cares

[digital linden]

are we doomed on myth nexus king?

[vivid vessel]

Lol

I think

You don't realize

How bad outlaw is

On Nexus king

Haha

[indigo token]

outlaws the only rogue spec I like

[fathom bramble]

platforms matter a ton and we basically can't contribute

and there is a boss damage amp

[vivid vessel]

You have downtime, you have an intermission phase that is super hard and require nuking a big dude and aoing

[fathom bramble]

and it all lines up perfect and free for sub

[vivid vessel]

And outlaw does nothing on that

And then te

Ye

Damage amp

Like

[dawn talon]

it's a reeeally good sub boss

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw is so so so so

[dawn talon]

and a reeeeally bad outlaw boss

[vivid vessel]

Much worse than sub

Like you are getting carried if you play outlaw on this boss

[dawn talon]

like i think there might actually be a spec worse than outlaw on that boss but at the same time

[vivid vessel]

While sub carries the fight

[dawn talon]

sub is the best spec in the game

[fathom bramble]

waiting for the reality where blizzard somehow publishes a boss as good for flat damage as this boss is for 1:30 classes

[dawn talon]

on the fight

so

[vivid vessel]

It's not even that

I think there is very few specs that are as bad as outlaw on Nexus king

Actually I can't think of any

[digital linden]

damn i remember this chat talking about how the downtime shouldnt be that bad since its just a small hop 😭

[dawn talon]

moonkin

is really ass

also

on that boss

but it's similar thing where feral is just rly fucking insane on it

[vivid vessel]

Not true

Moonkin does insane damage amp damage

It does nothing on platforms tho yes

[dawn talon]

ye but platforms are like

the most important thing

no?

[vivid vessel]

Yes

But outlaw does nothing at all

[dawn talon]

it does legit super zdps on platforms

[vivid vessel]

So

[dawn talon]

and still less damage than feral in amp

[torpid fiber]

I genuinely have no clue how this would be possible unless the boss spammed a cast with a shield you have to break to stop it

[vivid vessel]

I don't think it does less than feral on amp wd

[dawn talon]

ok maybe io was lied to

by feral propagandists

gg

[strong halo]

Tbh outlaw on fract is laughable

[torpid fiber]

like you'd have to make a fight where you legit need flat damage instead of being able to burst and then do less and have it be equal overall

[digital linden]

in what way

[dawn talon]

boss that just channels a shield on itself every 15s

[strong halo]

Zac’s 100 parse was equal to a frost dk 35

[torpid fiber]

It'd legit have to be this, yeah

[dawn talon]

ok i wasn't familiar with your game moonkin, my apologies

[glass mortar]

boss auto kills itself at 4:29 of the fight

this type of boss will never exist man

pray to be overtuned and pray blizzard does a few "fancy mechanics" as they can

[vivid vessel]

I mean moonkin isn't good on the fight

[glass mortar]

thats the outlaw way in the modern age

only time we even show as a real spec on fights

[vivid vessel]

But it's probably one of the best spec in the game on the damage amp

[indigo token]

TWW has been the absolute pits for outlaw

[glass mortar]

is one of those conditions

i mean last season was decent

[indigo token]

I dont think we've ever been more than "good" on a single raid fight

[glass mortar]

we werent df s3 power level but we were solid

[indigo token]

from unplayable to good

[glass mortar]

and we were pretty giga in m+

[indigo token]

constant bugs every fucking season

huge pack pulls gimping us in M+

[glass mortar]

crazy how they make trickster do the same ST as fatebound and its outlaws best tier of the expac

strange how that happens huh

[indigo token]

our highest dps tree actively trying to kill us for the entire tier

fucking awful work

[glass mortar]

and the best part was

we didnt even get to really enjoy our best season of the expac

because we had to play

fucking

kspree for a whole season AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

those madlads actually got us to fucking do it

the suckers we are playing that dogshit spell

[indigo token]

i dont think I ever enjoyed using old KS

like

it was a rush living through it

[vivid vessel]

I'm actually unsure there is a better spec in the game for the damage amp

Just checking random wipes

[indigo token]

but there were fights where you just COULDNT USE IT

[vivid vessel]

I'm sure I can find some super insane ones

[fathom bramble]

yeah but overall ST is what actually matters

[indigo token]

fucking hate blizzard

[glass mortar]

doesnt sub have the highest burst profile in the game

[fathom bramble]

damage amp is cool, but it's just more boss damage

[digital linden]

i would have thought sub would perform better in the amp

[vivid vessel]

Meh the line up of CDs isn't that insane, and it's slightly too long for sub to look better

• you benefit not from lust

But also I don't have double on use trinket

So I don't have 18 stacks on the amp there

Which is definitely worse on this boss

Not having double on use

Imo

[glass mortar]

nvm

sub has the highest non lusted burst in the game

but several specs have higher lust

[vivid vessel]

Yep

[glass mortar]

makes sense

[vivid vessel]

Yep

[glass mortar]

but sub also has the "fastest" burst

which

many damage amps arent that long

[vivid vessel]

Yep

Yep

[glass mortar]

like unholy isnt doing its full burst in a damage amp

unless its suuuuuuuper long

[vivid vessel]

Yep

Yep

[indigo token]

at least enh shaman is pretty fun to play

when the devs kill outlaw i can play that

[vivid vessel]

That's why dimensius

[indigo token]

my enh shaman is a vulpera he has those cute totems

[vivid vessel]

Sub look good

[glass mortar]

subs profile is also funny because its highest burst window is 3m into sims because of the trinket they run

[vivid vessel]

The damage amp is like 12 s long

[glass mortar]

not the opener or the second go

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[bronze robin]

as long as you didn't send an outlaw MH craft, sub uses the same embelishments so it's an easy swap

[vivid vessel]

No trinket on pull

[glass mortar]

and that 3m could be wherever u decide to use the trinket

like u could do a little trinket go earlier and save it up for later then 3m

[vivid vessel]

[bronze robin]

as much as I hate it-- I'm having to play it this season

just kill me

[glass mortar]

could move it to the 4.5m or 6m etc

its a cute trinket

i wish it was better for us

i think i wanna use one anyway

[vivid vessel]

I just sent my trinket on cd

Cause platform damage was needed

And I don't have double on use

[digital linden]

rough

[vivid vessel]

It's fine

[digital linden]

i mean yeah

from what i understand people generally send trink on add platform since damage is needed

[cinder relic]

Cds just line up perfectly for sub on saldahar

[burnt dragon]

LOCK THE DISCORD

ret pallies are so funny

[indigo token]

honestly

if we were on some ret pally shit

[indigo token]

we would have locked this discord since the critter bug

alright

dim is about to be pulled

time to see if the bug is still here

[burnt dragon]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

i mentioned it in a key with some friends of friends yesterday so

we can pray

but i doubt it changes

[indigo token]

it is

omg

im going to get banned again from this disc if I say whats on my mind

im gonna crash out

[glass mortar]

not crashing out on dimi is rough

just remember that its ok to be carried sometimes

especially on endbosses

of the raid

[indigo token]

like

its bleak

[wintry solar]

I was dead the last 3rd of the fight

I was having a lot more fun that way

[strong halo]

Didn’t sub get like a 3.5% buff from PTR and outlaw 3%?

[frank finch]

i just proced 15 tails in a row and didnt get a lucky coin

😫

[late swallow]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-–-september-3/1937024

[frank finch]

bait

[late swallow]

[lime lake]

[indigo token]

aint no way

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

wait

[lime lake]

pretty decent bait

[indigo token]

fuck you

[lime lake]

you actually got one

[indigo token]

i hate you charlie brown

[late swallow]

[lime lake]

it would be better if it didnt say aug 2024 right at the top

[late swallow]

got one nonetheless

[lime lake]

might see how many people in my guild fall for it tbh

[late swallow]

gl king

[indigo token]

I truly despise the devs

[random geyser]

shh we gonna make u a flat profile and add damage amps all will be fine

[indigo token]

like

I enjoy the flat damage profile of outlaw

but is it just incompatable with wow now

[random geyser]

7/8 NP 8/8LOU cant find a guild.

[quaint mauve]

this spec lwk gives me a superiority complex

when i out dps people

i lwk be thinking im above them in every way

[random geyser]

was #4 on meter for late Gally kill very funny but just cause outlaw wont die lol

[quaint mauve]

if it makes you feel better

i got into one with 0 outlaw exp

so surely you’ll get in

[random geyser]

maybe but well see i may just take a break til the address rogue

[quaint mauve]

or play sub that shits OP

[indigo token]

welp

im benched

again

[random geyser]

I dont really feel like re gearing

[buoyant cosmos]

just get daggers, it'll probably still be better

[gaunt phoenix]

funny when raw dispatch is the lowest dmg

[glass mortar]

bro

actually amazing bait

how long have u had this in ur back pocket, the month lining up is so perf

[gaunt phoenix]

prolly stole it from guild discord

[quaint mauve]

wow

[gaunt phoenix]

wow !

[quaint mauve]

is the sigil thing good for m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[quaint mauve]

do i need to farm it

ok

will do

[gaunt phoenix]

it's from the raid

[quaint mauve]

ikik

[glass mortar]

is that the execute one

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[quaint mauve]

i havent raided bc antenna simmed at a loss for me

[glass mortar]

im using that and the haste assassin trinket

its mid

in aoe it does like 50m a use

[fathom bramble]

anyone else rocking double sigil

[glass mortar]

stinky tho

i want a real trinket

2m on use so boring

[fathom bramble]

delve for a sigil

[glass mortar]

which sigil is this

r

[gaunt phoenix]

delve sigil

[glass mortar]

oooo

[fathom bramble]

I guess it might not be a M+ trinket

idk

[glass mortar]

that does look nice

[fathom bramble]

slaps in st

[glass mortar]

actually being held hostage by this trinket since i went and budgeted around it

1.7k haste is awk to make up

i need several slots swappable for that

[mighty pivot]

already using haste fiber?

[glass mortar]

oh fuk true

[mighty pivot]

[glass mortar]

thatd be losing 1.7k vers tho

id rather drop crit

[lime lake]

replace it with a crit fiber

then replace the crit fiber with a haste fiber

ez

[mighty pivot]

life hack

[glass mortar]

[wintry solar]

@desert tendon started a Twilight Princcess 100% randomizer run and I got the lantern and shadow crystal and I havent even left the house yet

[glass mortar]

alright dinner eaten, time to waste my time away chaining delves till bed

peak friday night

[desert tendon]

idk much about tp rando, is that goooooood?????

[buoyant cosmos]

Better than hour(s) queuing for dungeons to do

[desert tendon]

brann check?

[glass mortar]

92

we workin

100 soon dw

[drowsy ridge]

Well don't stand there!

[glass mortar]

IF ITS NOT COOKED, ITS NOT GOUDA!

its me im cooked

[desert tendon]

Damn weran that s why you re my favorite rogue in here. You take the real endgame really seriously

[buoyant cosmos]

smoked mozz when you make your own pizzas slaps btw

should try it if you can find it

[desert tendon]

you re not fighting over details on a game that will never be close to balanced

[glass mortar]

im halfway done with the seasons delve track

its week 3

censi i might have a problem

im doing delves on characters i dont even PLAY

[buoyant cosmos]

What's your favorite rotation of your favorite delve

[desert tendon]

i can fix any issue tell me

@wintry solar also if you re wondering, i m still here afk waiting for the save hours to go up

[desert tendon]

need to get to at least 48 before going forward

[wintry solar]

BABY SEEEEED

[desert tendon]

i m sure you ll find other occupation !

oh shoot that s a babyseed. Be a real man and dare restart now!

[wintry solar]

lowkey looks like she wants more

[wintry solar]

calling it now, Master Sword wont show up until hour 7

[fathom bramble]

sounds about right to me

[glass mortar]

yessssssss

[marble meteor]

im hitting on a training dummy without any buffs except poison, and my dps spikes initially and then slowly falls back to like 2.6-7m dps. Raidbots reckons I should be at 3.6m

is there anyway I can easily critique the order of my ability use?

[glass mortar]

ive had 9 vault slots a week minimum from delves alone

my evoker has so much random gear

legit it is wearing s1, s2 and s3 gear rn

i just do delves on it

[desert tendon]

that s classical linkus seeds. He always get a super great start but no mastersword until the end of the checks

but wait weran

how you went so fast

is this season faster or you doing it differently?

[glass mortar]

i only did 6 delve slots a week last season

my roger and monk

im just doing delves on random toons now

specs i literally never play

gunna do some veng delves

tank delves r peak vibes

theres no bullshit

u do ur tank stuff right u are immortal

pull the entire 11

but if u mess up u die

its how i wish dps ones were

11s on melee that need to facetank mobs r a bit of a disaster ngl

[fathom bramble]

use dps brann and you can go faster but are forced to play well

[glass mortar]

u need helly gear

ya i always use dps brann on my tanks

heal is bait

[fathom bramble]

dps brann even on my ilvl 600 alt is super good

[glass mortar]

every tank has the sustain to do it

even brm

lok i did a delve yesterday

[fathom bramble]

but my brann is also almost level 100

[glass mortar]

i pulled like 40 mobs as brm

my level 92 brann did 35m dps

he definitly has something uncapped

[fathom bramble]

sounds about right

[glass mortar]

[fathom bramble]

are you using hat and aegis or?

[glass mortar]

hat and aegis rn yea

hatarang was like 50% of his damage

i have no fucking idea how it works

because that doesnt make sense for the tooltip

but i'll take it

[fathom bramble]

I'm pretty sure it does on hit arcane damage when he throws it

and it scales very high on dps bran

[glass mortar]

a tooooooooooon

yea

tank and rogue delves i can just infinite vibe

on my evoker i need to perma kite because if level 11 delve mobs get on u they kill u in like 3 seconds

all autos

its funny

[torpid fiber]

Yeah it's crazy how strong 1h tricks is for delves

[glass mortar]

i actually play fatebound in delves rn tbh

i dont mass pull on my rogue since u skip way more then non stealthers

and i was suffering too much from success as trickster

u have too much of everything

fights r too short and u restealth forever

[fathom bramble]

I love it when you are in a delve where you can just run through clicking things

and not fight at all

[glass mortar]

literally couldnt consume all my coups ifi wanted to

[fathom bramble]

one of the sidestree sluice ones was like that

[glass mortar]

fatebound gets perma ghostly + stealth because of resets

[fathom bramble]

click 5 gold piles then kill 9 easy things and then boss

[glass mortar]

im sad the belt stuff is gone

[fathom bramble]

but they added a mob % to the gold pile step after the first rotation

[glass mortar]

idk why they couldnt have just kept it active for delves?

not allowed to have a bis delve belt?

it gave u soooo many buffs

[fathom bramble]

delves should have the ability to disable brann and have my own set of buffs

I don't want brann in my delve

[torpid fiber]

I don't play fatebound because for whatever reason half the time brann doesn't show up in my party frames, and that breaks my tricks macro

[glass mortar]

ok so u just wanna reset mobs 10 times a delve

brann has his uses

[fathom bramble]

I vanish regularly in the open world without resetting rares

I'm sure it's fine

[glass mortar]

yea same

its abit more frustraing when its like an entire dungeon

of u doing ur rotation tho

ur vanishing waaaaay more

[fathom bramble]

brann pulling random things is just infinitely more annoying than being forced to carefully vanish

[torpid fiber]

I reset a delve boss 5 minutes into the fight the other day because brann was too close to the edge of the room

[glass mortar]

it almost never happens to me when u stealth

he stealths with u

it only happens from his fucking dino

which was a s1 power they gave him perma

and iwish they hadnt

most obnoxious power

[torpid fiber]

I wish u could disable the dino

[fathom bramble]

he also often prevents vanishing too

[torpid fiber]

It's so annoying

[fathom bramble]

I want to blind a pack grab the thing and just leave

[marble meteor]

need a single player ability thats on the same cd as vanish to proc subterfuge tbh.

[glass mortar]

like if u touch the egg it sticks u in combat so u gotta kill it

very stinky

im surprised there was no etheral themed dino power this season

dino teleporting around

[torpid fiber]

I have meld so I just meld off his bullshit half the time

[wintry solar]

thats all going away next expac dw

[glass mortar]

delves r good content anyway

9.5/10 blizzard i cant wait to see how they iterate on them in midnight

move more damage into small frontal/cone aoes and dodgable and out of autos

big autos should be vs tanks

not dps

[fathom bramble]

did you play mists

timeless isle rares/elites had the perfect solution

[glass mortar]

ya

exactly like that

[fathom bramble]

almost all of their damage was dodgeable frontals and stuff

[glass mortar]

where theres a small sustain check from autos but all the dangers are swings and cones and stuff

[fathom bramble]

you could die fast if you fucked up or facetank if you wanted

[indigo token]

nuh uh

[fathom bramble]

but if you were a dps and/or undergeared you could just outplay the rare

[indigo token]

you have to use tank brann

[glass mortar]

tank brann is such a trap for dps

it is hilarious the tank role has zero sustain

every tank in this game has sustain

tank brann dies in like 15s if u arent a healer

[fathom bramble]

tank delve is also just slower clears

what's the point

[glass mortar]

only if u dont pull 90% of the delve at once

which u absolutely can do

[marble meteor]

i wish there was more stories when they release new delves, like 2 for the last one? seriously? they should throw a new crazy story in like the drug halluination one.

[glass mortar]

i love tank delves

im also playing brm tho

and they do a bit of dammy

[fathom bramble]

sorry I meant tank brann in delves

[glass mortar]

idk if uve seen zacs streams

oh yea

he is literally designed for healers

he gets helly damage from healing him

[fathom bramble]

I don't play any actual tank classes so no tanking in delves for me

[glass mortar]

dps cant do that

its not explained well

it should be

its slower then either other role

[wintry solar]

probably because healing generates aggro

[glass mortar]

but u can legit do current t11 delves at 600 ilvl

as healer

with tank brann

he will carry u thru it like a bebe

just mash heals into him whole time

[fathom bramble]

you can do t11 delves at 600 ilvl on a rogue with DPS brann

[glass mortar]

ok but rogue is literally a cheater

especially outlaw

i legit never get autod in delves as outlaw

alternate tricks evasion every pack

[torpid fiber]

I run healer brann still, should I be on dps brann as outlaw

[glass mortar]

its very funny

[fathom bramble]

it might make your delve harder, but it's definitely faster

up to you

[wintry solar]

you can do t11 with 570ilvl as outlaw with tank brann

[fathom bramble]

does that take approx 200 years though?

[glass mortar]

i run healer brann because dps brann dies and i hate rezzing him

rogue delves r already so fast

i think we might be best delve class ngl

[fathom bramble]

I just don't tricks brann

[torpid fiber]

Oh dps brann dies fuck that

[fathom bramble]

he tanks a bit when you vanish but dps brann won't die if you don't tricks him

[glass mortar]

yes he takes aoe damage and his sustain is lowish

he doesnt die fast

but he will

healer brann neva die

[torpid fiber]

yeah nah I cba to not tricks and turn my brain off

[glass mortar]

hes only here so i dont need to play frame perfect vanish to not reset shit

and occasionaly to tank an elite

i carry friends thru t11s on their rat alts on my tanks tho

tank delves r peak

[smoky matrix]

what is the GS macro again for trickster?

[glass mortar]

it scales the difficulty up so nicely

for trickster? do u mean the opener GS macro for fatebound?

[torpid fiber]

Trickster doesn't have a GS macro you can just put it anywhere

[smoky matrix]

is that not used for trickster?

[glass mortar]

no

you dont have coins as trickster

the macro is for coin bug abuse

[smoky matrix]

ah okay

[glass mortar]

trickster just gs on cd

[smoky matrix]

so as trickster there really isn't any macros

[glass mortar]

u can macro it to like, abilities

if u dont wanna pay attention to it

u dont play around it as trickster

[smoky matrix]

gotcha

[glass mortar]

its not 100% optimal but its close

and its a little worse for 1 fth builds

u wanna get CP with it when u can as them

[ocean lodge]

I run dps and they stick to him lol

But my brann is almost maxed out and I use sands of karesh

[smoky matrix]

hmmm so i should probably not macro into anything then

wouldn't be smart

[glass mortar]

i dont yea

[smoky matrix]

gotcha

[glass mortar]

its like, if u really hate paying attention to it

its fine to do

because its a very small loss

[smoky matrix]

if you did macro it, what would you macro it too xD

[glass mortar]

and if ur in a massive energy drought because of sometimes its better to not ghostly

[quaint mauve]

should i craft belt or bracers if i have good accessories

[glass mortar]

me when i ghostly so i can spend 80% of the window auto attacking and cast 3 SS

this cost me 50 energy

my wife and kids

everything

[smoky matrix]

lmfao

[fathom bramble]

delve belt seems to hold up for so long idk if you want to craft one for a while

pure vers engineering wrists maybe

[glass mortar]

i have never looked at the delve section of lfg

people really be out here playing delves as literal dungeons

i wonder what the scalings like

[frail veldt]

Wiiiild

[late swallow]

No faith in my abilities

[pearl topaz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[quaint mauve]

i thought sin was meta?

(my friend no hate)

[fathom bramble]

it's too late

I have started hating

[lone spear]

i been hatin

[wintry solar]

yall are late

been hating since 99

[lone spear]

holy

[quaint mauve]

i pumped that priory

holy shit

felt so good

[lone spear]

priory is a really nice dungeon for us

not too big pulls, but generally pretty low downtime between them

is nice

[fathom bramble]

2 target boss

[lone spear]

ye thats also great

im tellin u man without old KS, my appreciation for these dungeons has gone up

like floodgate is actually super chill

cause im not dreading last 2 bosses

[fathom bramble]

yep

wish everything was the same as least season except KS not teleporting me

[quaint mauve]

my tank pulled the lynx pack into it

and i did

11 mill that fight

[drowsy ridge]

I liked old KS in old content, but I do not miss falling through the boat on Dawnbreaker using it

[lone spear]

it had a charm, but that charm was outweighed by the negatives

[copper owl]

what's more based than balance changes that don't have rogues listed?

[lone spear]

bugfixes that dont have rogues listed

xdd

[copper owl]

But destro getting buffed the fuck?

[drowsy ridge]

I liked breaking the game with the glyph that returned you to the original position back, like on the Garrosh fight in MoP

[fathom bramble]

they haven't posted any balance changes

[copper owl]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/war-within-class-tuning-incoming-–-september-3/1937024

is this fake?

[drowsy ridge]

2024

[copper owl]

IS THIS BAIT?

[drowsy ridge]

Last year

[lone spear]

LMAO

[honest yarrow]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fathom bramble]

get revenge with this bait

[copper owl]

I got trolled so hard

[fathom bramble]

link that to a boomie in your life

[copper owl]

done one in my discord now

[rotund zodiac]

Where is outlaw buff

[honest yarrow]

https://wago.io/TIgC_QiQz

import string for this WA not working for me?

[frail veldt]

whats happening when you try to import it?

[frail veldt]

I just tried it

worked on my end

are you just clicking copy import string on wago?

I think somehow your clipboard isnt copying the whole string or something

[honest yarrow]

yeah, thats how ive done it for all my WAs and its worked

[torpid fiber]

Wait why is there a tab at the end of this

[frail veldt]

try relogging

[honest yarrow]

this worked

not sure why i had to do that

[frail veldt]

hmm weird

[fathom bramble]

what if these were our notes?

[keen belfry]

Where did u make these up loktark

[fathom bramble]

don't worry about it

[keen belfry]

KIR cd = gg

[fathom bramble]

but it spells Fake

[frail veldt]

eh

I dont like it

[fathom bramble]

and that's what really matters

[torpid fiber]

probably inspect element

[frail veldt]

I want "KS now hits your target" and "EB can stack past 4"

[keen belfry]

Wouldn’t that fatebound aoe change be a nerf

[random stirrup]

reeks of HO traitor

[torpid fiber]

It spells FACK actually

[fathom bramble]

close enough

[fathom bramble]

it would be a massive buff to fatebound aoe

[desert tendon]

@wintry solar rando check

[frail veldt]

yeah its uncapped aoe

that would be op

[torpid fiber]

It'd be a nerf in specific cleave situations

[frail veldt]

yeah at lower counters

[torpid fiber]

but generally a buff

[frail veldt]

counts*

essentialy fatebound would be good in ST and high count haha

[keen belfry]

Wouldn’t the tails dmg reduction in aoe node cook it in most scenarios

[desert tendon]

Mewo how are you still engineered frustration

[torpid fiber]

I was more thinking when the enemies were on either side of you

[frail veldt]

wdym bro have you not been playing?

[wintry solar]

soft lockced

[torpid fiber]

bc blade flurry cleave is 8yd, so you can cleave two targets 13yd apart from each other

[desert tendon]

ofc not, havent launched wow in 2 months my sub ran out and i uninstalled and delete all my chars. Why would i go back to dooming game

[frail veldt]

are you gona midnight

[desert tendon]

how comes. You re using a wrong rando. Must always be completable

[random stirrup]

"deals damage within 10 yards of the target" on bloodbound horror, rashanan, gallywix

[frail veldt]

I mean

[desert tendon]

i thought of coming back for s2 / S3 midnight. But when i ve heard of what they re prepping at gamescom there is no shot

[frail veldt]

how does caustic spatter work on those bosses?

its fine right?

[desert tendon]

if the sub was 13€ a year maybe i would

[fathom bramble]

I think it's a buff on all 3 of those fight examples lol

I don't think you realize how dogshit BF cleave is with coins

[frail veldt]

wdym

[fathom bramble]

armor

[frail veldt]

ooooh

yeah

thats right

[random stirrup]

it has a special case check around you for large hitbox bosses

[frail veldt]

im sorry what

so it hits in the yellow and blue?

what the actual fuck rofl

[fathom bramble]

doesn't splitting ice also do that?

[random stirrup]

no, only in yellow blue overlap

normally it would only cleave in red, but yellow is the actual boss hitbox

[frail veldt]

weiiiiiiiiiiird

I see

what is the range of blue

5 yards?

[random stirrup]

12?

[frail veldt]

interesting

I had no idea

thats super weird

[desert tendon]

they changed that for gally

hence the raidplan

cuz assa couldnt spatter a shit on this boss early

[random stirrup]

i have my doubts that outlaw would get a similar change

[keen belfry]

Yeah I have no clue how coins are in aoe tbf with BF

[desert tendon]

there have the full thing mewo

[fathom bramble]

cleaving for like 31% of their original damage before PC/GM

[keen belfry]

Xd

[fathom bramble]

so even if you miss a lot of targets just dealing pure aoe is colossal buff in basically every cleave fightstyle

[keen belfry]

I was hoping we’d get notes today smh

[fathom bramble]

we won't be in them anyway

we look good on the warcraftlogs stack

[keen belfry]

Yeah it seems like soul hunters entering the chat has cooked us for buffs

[desert tendon]

i sent a whispyr message to mewo and he insta left discord and shutdown his pc. You re toxic mewo

[quaint mauve]

i hate gambit

[torpid fiber]

Gambit murloc pulls as outlaw

[glass mortar]

ahahahahahah

ara ara 10

i drop a love fool to pre kspree RtB

its sitting there for 30s

tank does timer

at 2s the warlock predrops infernal

on the dummy

azralon

[lime lake]

[torpid fiber]

does infernal not get reset?

[glass mortar]

idk

but u cant pet control it

or if u can with a macro he didnt know u can

we sat there for 20s watching it 1v1 the love fool

[torpid fiber]

Oh LMAO

[river escarp]

It just keeps them all in combat so you can’t start the key xD

[torpid fiber]

Right it keeps you in combat

[glass mortar]

he tagged the fucking dummy with the aoe so it started attacking it

we all just spam question pinged it

[torpid fiber]

This probably happens to everyone exactly once

[marble meteor]

you got AR buff, GS and Vanish available, 5 CP and BTE isnt on CD, do you hit BTE for the reset on vanish or hit Vanish to keep the 5CP

[torpid fiber]

which build

[marble meteor]

KIR

Fate

[torpid fiber]

I don't think fatebound cares about bte cd resets anymore afaik

[glass mortar]

trickster doesnt care about getting bte on cd before vanish

[torpid fiber]

hmm as written strictly the rule here is probably hit SS but that feels kinda weird

[glass mortar]

idk if fatebound even does anymore tbh

trickster never did tho

u can pretty much just press it off cd but u dont delay vanish to put it on cd

trickster has too much going on to delay vanish for tiny things like that

especially with the rng double blades

[torpid fiber]

fatebound doesn't afaik, that stuff all got replaced by the new rule I believe

[glass mortar]

ye

it did in previous seasons but theres more important rules now

[marble meteor]

@gaunt phoenix can you help me out?: you got AR buff, GS and Vanish available, 5 CP and BTE isnt on CD, do you hit BTE for the reset on vanish or hit Vanish to keep the 5 CP (KIR Fate)

[glass mortar]

even back then it was minor anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

you vanish gs

[glass mortar]

[torpid fiber]

The reason it's technically SS as written is that you vanish at 6+ cp and you only have 5 and you need to vanish to break stealth with GS. But also because GS will mean your first BtE has 6cp its weird bc as trickster the rule would be to send GS before vanish and then vanish I think

[glass mortar]

i press it on cd as trickster because i like funny gun ability

it doesnt matter

[gaunt phoenix]

I'm going to delete that

[glass mortar]

which part

oh the whole rule

yea its gone for fatebound too right

[torpid fiber]

I assume that in practice though you vanish gs because pressing SS here risks wasting cp

[gaunt phoenix]

if i dont have opportunity

I would like to sneak an ss just in case

[torpid fiber]

just a weird corner case where you gain cp between vanish and the finisher

Oh that's fair actually

I like that idea

[quaint mauve]

i just understood the coup wa

the blue means next ss gives a stack

wowzers

[torpid fiber]

wait is there an update to the coup wa I need to get

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[torpid fiber]

Fuck there is

doesn't look like it's very significant though

[frail veldt]

how recent

[quaint mauve]

idk why but every boss i get on i get a lua error

[frail veldt]

cuz the one for this season was very important

[quaint mauve]

i can’t tell which wa is causing

[torpid fiber]

I didn't play s2

[frail veldt]

cuz it actually properly tracks the procs

ah kk you prob have the updated one

[torpid fiber]

so I have the one with the fix

Afaik

just not the aug 27th update

[frail veldt]

Okay I bought midnight, do I boost a monk and tank my way through this season?

[torpid fiber]

The UB tracker wa is one of the only WAs I use that I don't have set to use custom glow colour tbh

[frail veldt]

I changed almost all my glows to pixel glow

cuz it hurts my eyes otherwise lol

[torpid fiber]

I use proc glow and pixel glow for diff things

[torpid fiber]

E.g. I have KS use pixel glow when it's low cd and proc glow when it's off cd

[frail veldt]

nice

[torpid fiber]

I like my WA to help me just turn my brain off, I'm aware it's not very far aware from hekili at the end of the day but eh it's what I find the most fun

[frail veldt]

eh I think thats fine

having buttons do what they should do anyway is fine

[torpid fiber]

All my important things have diff colour glows as well, and vanish gets a colour shading depending in charges

[frail veldt]

youre just customizing the countdown tbh

not a big deal

[torpid fiber]

I have some PS logic which is definitely the one thing that's over the line but that's also kinda a case of "this is only an issue because we have so many things to track now"

[desert tendon]

this looks 39 times better than zac's

good job hand-some

(got it, handsome, hand, yea?)

[torpid fiber]

One thing I want to do is change the default luxthos bte glow behaviour from glowing in stealth windows (which is a glow that's always useless, because I have a subterfuge duration tracker and there's no decision making on bte in stealth) to glowing if the crit buff falls off

[frail veldt]

omg thank you

everyone always hate on my was

[frail veldt]

good one

[torpid fiber]

and then also I probably need to make some stuff for fatebound (probably just going to be GS changes but idk) and also figure out why the fuck there's a bug where sometimes my sidebars shift downwards one randomly

[frail veldt]

something I still have issues with

is when I drop stealth

I dont realize it sometimes

I need to have a sound

the unstealth sound or something

when it drops

so I can hear it

[torpid fiber]

Something I want to do as well is make custom (non-luxthos derived) CC/defensive trackers, the current idea in my head is to make like small circles with quadrants each of a different colour and each quadrant corresponds to a different ability, so I can easily see the info on that stuff in a way that doesn't take up much space

[deft vector]

still craft a 720 sword w/ lens for first item, even if i'm not raiding?

[frail veldt]

especially if you arent raiding

[torpid fiber]

my biggest issue with luxthos WAs is that the defensive/utility parts of them fucking suck (this is mostly a result of how my UI is laid out tbf, but it means I basically can't easily see my cds on them)

[frail veldt]

I hate when was hide when theyre on/off cd

[torpid fiber]

so I want to fix that problem and I think full custom WAs is probably the angle there

[frail veldt]

I dont like was popping in and out

I prefer permanent fixtures

[torpid fiber]

They don't do that, they're just greyed out and below other stuff

[frail veldt]

ah

[torpid fiber]

I also hate when WAs do that, idr if I figured out a way to force the luxthos escalating blade stacks WA to not do that

[torpid fiber]

The idea here would be something like this where it's light blue for evasion, purple for cloak, and red for crimson vial, and how full they are is the cd + they'd change colour to become brighter when off CD

Unfortunately, this sounds fucking miserable to implement in WA

[craggy barn]

i just noticed fb tails has an vfx now

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

am i turning this in or do i wait

cuz like

some ppl are saying this gives over the cap

and some say no

[fathom bramble]

it has been fully fixed and will go above your cap. you can tell by the fact that the text on the rewards is White instead of red

it was broken for like the first 4-6 days of the season or something

[proven ocean]

so i can safely complete the quest?

[fathom bramble]

I'm like 95% sure you can

if you are at the cap and it's still white on the reward text then it's safe

[proven ocean]

ye its white but im gonna wait for a guildie to do it on his alt

[deft vector]

i turned mine in like a week and a half ago on my other toon and it worked fine

they "fixed" it quite some time ago

this is just to compensate people who turned it in before the fix

[pearl topaz]

ahahahaha fuck i just noticed id had ambush bound from last season

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[hardy thicket]

Ambush unbound from bars since DF S2

[pearl topaz]

yea but I was HO last season

[pure folio]

thats why u use the macro @pearl topaz

/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wtf look what china has

12 month subscription mog reward

[quaint mauve]

i cant beat my lock in raid

its driving me nuts

[dapper fjord]

yall think they might buff outlaw? at least in mythic raid we are last place in boss daamge

[craggy kelp]

why are people taking dancing steel on SH

is 2 fth better than main gauche and heavy hitter

[cinder relic]

Maybe, but dont be surprised if not

[dapper fjord]

about that, deft manuevers as well

[dapper fjord]

yeah im not super hopeful or anything

[gaunt phoenix]

It buffs precise cuts

[cinder relic]

Even thought outlaw is kinda mid, """On average""" (if you ignore all the context in this video game) isn't actually that bad

[gaunt phoenix]

2fth is not interchangeable with those talents

[cinder relic]

It should but I wouldnt really expect it right away tbqh

I think tuning this tier generally speaking is actually pretty decent, theres only a few major outliers in either direction broadly speaking

I'm half expecting OUtlaw to be a wod demo situations where they are kinda like, "Were just holding out until the rework"

[magic shuttle]

A little buff to ho would be appreciated

[cinder relic]

so true

revert HO nerfs

[gaunt phoenix]

Remove audacity bug

[wintry solar]

buff audacity bugg

[gaunt phoenix]

Bugg

[proven ocean]

cringe ass devs wont fix shit

[quaint mauve]

is there anything that checks which wa is causing a lua error

[proven ocean]

u guys are dreaming

no cappy

[quaint mauve]

its every m+ boss

[wintry solar]

[cinder relic]

Holding out for the midnight rework

[proven ocean]

ion probably enjoyed enh shaman in season 1 so he decided not to nerf it

assa op for 1 day