ill try one without ks too
#outlaw
lone crow
rotund zodiac
the AR uptime for fatebound is insane
daring oxide
yeah
the affix definitely does
i cant get into any 12s+ atm
i didnt do enough keys early on to get my score better
buoyant cosmos
i didnt do enough keys early on to get my score better
14s are just as miserable
cinder haven
Sims kinda doesn’t like that at all
But fb 1pt fth with soh and ld seems legit from my testing
daring oxide
Sims kinda doesn’t like that at all
really?
to me it feels like I'm being made to wait to play the game while doing no damage
and KS only does like 3-4% damage overall
so maybe its better TV is there?
i dunno
cinder haven
Ks helps with energy and cdr I think
daring oxide
maybe im hugely wrong
daring oxide
Ks helps with energy and cdr I think
I really had no energy issues tbh thanks to deft
and for some reason
the slightly higher opportunity % helps too
plus extra CP
as Fatebound
cinder haven
Got any logs from the fb runs?
cinder haven
Probably good on pug mid keys
daring oxide
@vivid vessel please give it a go and let us know what you think
cinder haven
Less holding ps
cinder haven
I really wish i could use 2pt fth tho
daring oxide
but the best bonus is
prime glade
I feel like on tyrannical it probably ends up about the same as trickster if not a lil better depending on the dungeon
magic sage
do you run kir or ho for fb keys?
daring oxide
KIR
cinder haven
Can they just give us another talent point
daring oxide
yeah
magic sage
in midnight yes
daring oxide
I was hoping for that
cinder haven
Make fth 1 pt
cinder haven
Or bake pc into ds or something
craggy quiver
Do it for 11.2.5
daring oxide
Can they just give us another talent point
But i think it might be better they kill PC, buff BF again back to 50% or more, and buff our aura as well
cinder haven
But i think it might be better they kill PC, buff BF again back to 50% or more, ...
I’m ok with that too i think
daring oxide
well if FTH is 1 PT i think everything on that row shouldbe too
Summarily and Takem
then we'd get 3 points back.. 😛
cinder haven
HO KIR build coming up
keen belfry
Make fth 1 pt
this is all outlaw needs as a bandaid
keen belfry
my hope is that our new apex points lets us get 1 extra fth point
daring oxide
my hope is that apex makes us get 6 natty everytime we RTB
stiff vector
this is all outlaw needs as a bandaid
well I dont know about "all" outlaw needs... def needs more than just that
late swallow
my hope is that our new apex points lets us get 1 extra fth point
We’d still need 2 more (they’re making it a 4 point node)
daring oxide
then the final apex point is that BF is uncapped
keen belfry
make it every 7 ARs our next rtb is 6 buff
keen belfry
well I dont know about "all" outlaw needs... def needs more than just that
just a bandaid i want
stiff vector
o ye for sure
keen belfry
ty vai
daring oxide
@agile orchid has sources saying tuning is tonight
keen belfry
ty rob
cinder haven
FB HO is just not possible to play this tier?
keen belfry
anyone have a16 floodgate
cinder haven
Maybe with no ace hmm
late swallow
anyone have a16 floodgate
This channel isn’t for LFG, I don’t want to get the shadows involved
keen belfry
i invoke RONKLEY!
late swallow
@realzz
agile orchid
<@351438908212641792> has sources saying tuning is tonight
my source = it appeared in my dreams
also pattern recognition
cinder haven
I’m also expecting tuning today
red zinc
I like the idea of apex talents, gonna need to see the execution though
That prevoker one seemed absurdly nasty
if we get something like that that just makes one button feel godly im hyped
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> please give it a go and let us know what you think
my guy
im already doing 0 aoe
as trickster
im not
going
fb
you fuck
craggy quiver
D:
buoyant cosmos
lone crow
@vivid vessel try it
keen belfry
whats anythngs thoughts
grim spear
fb in m+
lone crow
but i did less than i do on trickster, i mean it was a gambit so it was kinda expected
red zinc
krill issue
lone crow
thing is i was mostly playing as if i was still playing trickster so there is improvement
pastel cedar
are we letting KS run the entire duration or ending it at max combo points?
tropic zephyr
jolly geyser
!closener
hardy thicket
!endener
quaint sable
are we letting KS run the entire duration or ending it at max combo points?
There is a pin about it but basic jist is it doesn't really matter unless ur playing 1 FTH then letting it run all the way is better.
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> try it
how are you guys
asking me
to go fatebound
when i do tank damage in aoe
- fatebound on these packs would do the exact same prio
so its just
worse
hero tree
jolly geyser
hoa or some shit?
vivid vessel
hoa first pack
jolly geyser
vivid vessel
in 17
jolly geyser
fuckin outlaw man
proper veldt
that tank damage is insane tho
devout garden
Seems about right
proper veldt
holy
devout garden
Outlaw moment
vivid vessel
that tank damage is insane tho
ok and in s1 i did more thna 10mil aoe so
proper veldt
ok and in s1 i did more thna 10mil aoe so
true true
jolly geyser
should make wowhead post
proper veldt
zac's a dev iirc
nominate zac for new rog dev
is better
wowhead post gonna do nothing xd
lament idol
Close the discord that seemed to help ret
jolly geyser
eeh
lament idol
vivid vessel
my cat
proper veldt
omg
jolly geyser
classic
jolly geyser
think I did that 1 season of crests became a thing
now I read it like 5 times before buying
same as crafting
grave carbon
This season is so ass
Every dung is just perma 50 mob pulls
And the ones that aren't are unplayable (streets)
frank finch
Midnight beta anticipation is killing me
glass mortar
I dont think streets is bad it's just us in streets
Feels like half that key is the boss fights
And the boss fights suck ass
eternal ore
I have done the Flame Fortification quest to unlock The Flame Burns Eternal but it just does not appear, does anyone know why? Do I have to do something else?
edgy phoenix
!up
ornate heathBOT
craggy barn
outside of law, streets suck ass, too many bosses
and the bosses suck
the last one is the only interesting one
the first boss can be slightly cheesed, but the silence pickup shit is lame af
magic sage
And it can’t be picked up immediately, have to wait a second or two for it to show up
cinder haven
Music boss 
magic sage
May have taken my swords but I still have guns - oh ok i guess I can’t
craggy barn
literally 4/5 bosses are gatbage
and then u have a mini boss thats awdul
like bro
the timer is fucking long
it has 5.5 bosses
whoever says streets was good is fucking on some garbage shit
awful in SL awful now
gambit has 1.5 lame bosses out of 3, but its just 3 total bosses
and they even fixed the forst voss to be less lame
desert tendon
have you tried playing correctly? 
keen belfry
he didnt read #outlaw-faq
desert tendon
so bad this new zac is so bad
keen belfry
he should try out sub
vivid vessel
ye
?
i play outlaw so sometimes you just do damage
it is how it is
my aoe range between 10 mil and 20 mil
or so
frail veldt
Okay I thought this was like common
11 mil is like if you somehow dropped adr lol
Are you using cudgel?
vivid vessel
no im not
i didnt drop adr either
tyou just do no damage
if you arent rolling shit
idk why you are trolling me rn
like its your first time
ocean swift
hi, i started playing outlaw like a week ago, my ilvl is like 691. But my dps is very very bad, in ST when i do a dummy training i do like 1.5, maybe 1.7 and it seems to me that i get lucky on the procs, in real life its 1.2 in m+. I do more on my brewmaster. Raidbots does 2.5 or more i think with same parameters. Any ideas what i may be missing that is such a huge damage
glass mortar
Wdym 11m is like typical damage when u don't have 5 buffs and up
glass mortar
I only push 15-20m if I have a 5 to 6 buff from a kir and im giga proccing
Definitly not standard
quaint sable
Had a gambit pull where tank pulled 30 mobs. The cudgel was almost 10% of my dmg and it felt disgusting
vivid vessel
its alright
frail veldt
idk I feel like every pack more than 10 mobs if im running cudgel I do like 13 mil and im like 6 ilvl lower. Maybe cudgel is carrying me on those idk zac always does more damage than me too so its weird
I swear im not trolling haha
vivid vessel
just watch the pull
I made one gcd that was bad maybe
when i pressed ss before rolling
ocean lodge
lol, was watching zac's stream and got gold buying ads. Crazy what twitch allows.
frail veldt
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxSpLgwANWBxCmm1pjD9sWv3BI-6l39mm0?si=VoA-yKf__L5t_TG...
why did you vanish with 3 EB and 3 UB up?
thats missing so much damage wtf
craggy barn
tick clicker for timing huh
ocean lodge
ok but did you buy tho
i like my account ty
vivid vessel
becasue i have 2 stack of vanish
vivid vessel
it does
the alternative is finishing, then vbuilding then couping twice
you are wasting a full vanish of cdr
glass mortar
Bro if u send double coup there ur wasting like 50% of a vanish charge
frail veldt
also you did 14 mil
craggy barn
yall ever get quadruple coups between vanish windows
vivid vessel
glass mortar
Ur dps is the dps u finish the pack with tho
glass mortar
Not what u peak at
glass mortar
frail veldt
yeah I wana see that pull
keen belfry
mewo u can absolutely be 11miil on first pull
vivid vessel
he is trolling
craggy barn
isnt mewo a pvp guy what does he know pepw
keen belfry
u can be sub 10 xd
frail veldt
I guess it was just the ending of the pack that nuked you I thought you were linking a screenshot of mid pack
you were like 15mil for the majority of that pack
vivid vessel
ok
can you
watch the pack again
and stop trolling
i didnt even peak at 15 once
and im under the tank for the whole pack
doing 1/3 of feral damage
ocean lodge
tf did I miss
vivid vessel
why are you acting like thats fine
keen belfry
mewo needs to focus up rn
vivid vessel
bro said its fine
frail veldt
I mean your monk is def built diff but you werent like slacking for the majority of that pack
frail veldt
it was only once there was one unit left and the circles cucked you and you had to just stand out of range
ocean lodge
TBF brew is fucking nuts.
frail veldt
it was for the majority of the fight
keen belfry
season 1 numbers
grave carbon
One gcd too long
keen belfry
season 2 numbers*
ocean lodge
You hit zac's enrage timer
keen belfry
ok buyt no cap
frail veldt
Whats the overall look like at the end of the key?
keen belfry
lets talk about how washed zac is rn
craggy barn
is it that time again?
ocean lodge
You think they won't buff us as a sort of demo situation?
keen belfry
and how cooked mewo is rn
craggy barn
uncap bf 
frail veldt
lolol
ocean lodge
"We'd rather you don't play outlaw" proceeds to gut our spec in midnight
vivid vessel
you absolute dingus
frail veldt
is your feral doing 20 mil overall like jeez?
vivid vessel
this guy is trolling
frail veldt
Im really not haha
vivid vessel
you are
vivid vessel
stop being cringe
craggy barn
"We'd rather you don't play outlaw" proceeds to gut our spec in midnight
which is funny considering outlaw hasnt been the go to rogue spec all expac
craggy barn
cant wait for them to nuke law
keen belfry
frail veldt
..
craggy barn
outlaw real padder
keen belfry
whe nu blast first boss but youre 3rd in boss dmg by 150 mil 
vivid vessel
third boss 
jolly geyser
I bet far got most dmg on boss
frail veldt
third boss <:ICANT:1078458428709666836>
lol ghost pad?
vivid vessel
ye of course
gaunt phoenix
hi, i started playing outlaw like a week ago, my ilvl is like 691. But my dps is...
probably missing something fundamental, like using vanish to extend adrenaline rush, the #outlaw-faq is a good guide
ocean lodge
which is funny considering outlaw hasnt been the go to rogue spec all expac
I don't even see where they are getting at with it.
Their aura tracking sucks.
The spec itself doesn't really need a total reshaping
ocean swift
probably missing something fundamental, like using vanish to extend adrenaline r...
nono, i am not
frail veldt
how bad are the war and feral doing on other pulls for zac to catch up this much
keen belfry
if a spec like outlaw with its dmg profile is last in overall its a cooked ass spec no capp
ocean swift
i mean not the vanish
frail veldt
cuz in all of the screenshots zac was doing less than half the war and feral
but ends up with the same overlal
ghost boss doesnt accont for all of that
vivid vessel
how bad are the war and feral doing on other pulls for zac to catch up this much
i just pad my way up
frail veldt
so whats missing
vivid vessel
everytime we have paddy pulls
keen belfry
how bad are the war and feral doing on other pulls for zac to catch up this much
i mean look at the third boss dmg, he made upo 400mil dmg
cinder relic
⚠️ 95% DORMANT VOLCANO ⚠️
vivid vessel
that they dont do damage on
frail veldt
i mean look at the third boss dmg, he made upo 400mil dmg
out of 16.6 bil
vivid vessel
like when we pull adds on bosses and shit
frail veldt
idk if thats padding
keen belfry
out of 16.6 bil
yes this is a typical thing in a lot of pulls, its adds up
ocean lodge
This is why my rogue is my alt and not my mage.
craggy barn
<a:siren:950532001864224818> ⚠️ 95% DORMANT VOLCANO ⚠️ <a:siren:9505320018642248...
huh
ocean lodge
main, even
keen belfry
when u look at enemy damage taken and look at important mobs, you realize how shit outlaw is
fossil mountain
is the container buff on kir still a thing
frail veldt
when u look at enemy damage taken and look at important mobs, you realize how sh...
yeah it def has shit prio damage I agree with that
craggy barn
is the container buff on kir still a thing
yes but not super inportant this season
ornate heathBOT
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(Assuming season 3 tier and 
Supercharger)
- Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
- Roll if you have 2 buffs and
Loaded Dice is active. - Roll once asap after pressing
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frail veldt
but outlaws overall is not really an issue and its always been bad on big aoe pulls right?
we could use a fix for KS to do prio damage
keen belfry
its for sure an issue rn
frail veldt
war and feral are bad?
craggy barn
outlaw has no real redeeming damage this season
keen belfry
ive started making the arguement that atm ret paladin is just better outlaw
ocean lodge
ive started making the arguement that atm ret paladin is just better outlaw
I hate ret players so much dude
jolly geyser
ive started making the arguement that atm ret paladin is just better outlaw
kinda is,my alt is ret
frail veldt
all of them have 15% raid buff
jolly geyser
vivid vessel
you dont realize
frail veldt
what are you saying rofl
frail veldt
you all have the same raid buff value
keen belfry
I hate ret players so much dude
they do our job rn but way better and easier and more consistent xd
buoyant cosmos
they do our job rn but way better and easier and more consistent xd
but then you have to play with a paladin....
frail veldt
you probably wouldnt tie on overall yeah
same as if a mage was in your group doing outlaw pulls
I mean I agree that prio and st should be fixed
vivid vessel
ok but
mewo
can you asnwer me
what does outlaw do
in a key
when its last overall
last prio
keen belfry
if u go pug in random 16 with no monk or warrior you are going to get shit on if player skill is equal
vivid vessel
target capped
keen belfry
no cappi
frail veldt
same shit its always done yeah
vivid vessel
you have no prio
quaint wharf
:)
frail veldt
thats why I agree we need a ST and Prio buff
vivid vessel
i shouldnt be last on overall
violet ferry
We are so back
buoyant cosmos
We make uncapped DPS feel better about themselves on huge pulls
frail veldt
yeah but I dont think an aoe pull when the other two dps have full cds is that relevant
I think outlaw should always lose in those pulls
keen belfry
@vivid vessel when pugs pull 12 mobs onto big momma and then are confused as to why mechadrones arent dead
vivid vessel
brother
there is lose
and there is
losing to tank
with first dps doing
3 times
your damage
stpo being cringe
frail veldt
your tank barely did less damage than your war
vivid vessel
it wasnt like that in s2
frail veldt
well there was no brew doing this much damage in s2
brews juiced the fuck up rn
I think if you buffed tricksters ST and Prio a bit and if that trickled maybe 5% into aoe damage we'd be fine
magic sage
Well this explains why I feel like shit playing outlaw and wondering why I’m always last in dps in keys
vivid vessel
if it does the same damage as every spec in the game
while having all these downsides
target capped
you need full raid buffs
and a route
that pull around your
weaknesses
outlaw legit need 10% aura
and im not capping
quaint wharf
mmm no i think we should nerf bf more
red zinc
well there was no brew doing this much damage in s2
ye they got buffed
new stomp niuzao stuff
frail veldt
Outlaw would be very very strong if we got a 10% aura
quaint sable
bf flurries for 10% of ur dmg sounds good
quaint wharf
Outlaw would be very very strong if we got a 10% aura
itd never happen lmao
frail veldt
I know you want outlaw to be S tier but I dont think outlaw is F tier rn is all im saying
violet ferry
Blizz should remove our target cap
as a treat
frail veldt
I do think we got unecessary nerfs to our profile that was already a shitty profile by the changes to KS
royal ermine
they wont buff us without nuking blade flurry even though they'll happily buff any other spec while also not touching their aoe
ocean swift
@gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
I know you want outlaw to be S tier but I dont think outlaw is F tier rn is all ...
I don't want it to be s tier lol
I should be topping keys
When I'm target capped
And no cd bursts
And in a comp
That plays entirely around me
And do slower toutes
Routes
To accommodate the fact
I'm exist
And I'm target capped
Otherwise the spec is useless
quaint wharf
I do agree if you have a comp that gives u full raid buffs + pulling around you, then getting gapped by brew
Thats pretty bad
Like perfect scenario to do healer dam
frail veldt
the other specs also have full raid buffs
quaint wharf
Thats sad
frail veldt
so thats kinda moot right?
ocean swift
Damage reduction
vivid vessel
Warrior is topping the key while giving litteraly 5% damage to every guy in the key
Do you realize
frail veldt
so yeah the war has 5% less raid buff than you, the feral has 3% less, and the brew has a mix of magic and physical right so they have like 3-5% less
buoyant cosmos
so thats kinda moot right?
I think the big point is, if they're catering to literally every weakness/strength of the spec he should be doing more
keen island
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
buoyant cosmos
That first pull no, for sure
buoyant cosmos
those grounds keepers are pad central
frail veldt
yep
vivid vessel
no but my point
quaint wharf
it wasnt a 7 mob pull
I see both sides tbh cuz i do agree that its not like outlaw is in F tier but idk im not doing 17s so
frail veldt
I agree with most of your point
I just feel like your sentiment is making the situation out to be a little worse than it is haha
frail veldt
Yeah but feral is doing well in other comps too its kinda just strong rn
your war is pretty impressive though I dont see them do that much that often
strong halo
Im gna be honest streets isn’t a real key, it’s just 3 bosses
frail veldt
though im not sure a war/feral would say that they should alwyas be worse than non raid buff specs just cuz they have a raid buff
strong halo
4*
vivid vessel
4
frail veldt
I dont thnk theyd find that fair
ocean swift
I think last season brew was less tanky too, so the comp was natural
vivid vessel
though im not sure a war/feral would say that they should alwyas be worse than n...
whats the point of my spec thenm
feral and warr are always locked in
cause they bring that much damage
me ?
i could be replaced
by half the specs in the game
put a sin or sub
or a dk
or anything
a hunter
idk
daring oxide
it felt actually very good but maybe its just no ks
Was it far behind or pretty close? Gambit has insane aoe at start but in priory it was good
@vivid vessel just one key
@lone crow did you try with KS and without KS?
viscid forge
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
frail veldt
Zac I agree that outlaw needs a little buff and that outlaw can be replaced right now but I just dont think that outlaw is like an int to bring to key which feels like what youre conveying
quaint wharf
Blade rush build when?
frail veldt
but I dont wna argue that I agree with you for the most part
KS needs its prio but we prob arent gona get that til midnight haha
cinder haven
Blade rush build when?
When the ability is completely reworked maybe
strong halo
I’m gna if we get like a 2-3% buff I’ll be happy, im just more upset our dmg doesn’t really move much, coup doesn’t feel that special
If I double coup into a big pack I should burst up to 20m+
frail veldt
if you get back to back double coups you def feel it but yeah just a regular double coup alone is pretty baseline
quaint wharf
When the ability is completely reworked maybe
I wanted to see what it would do first pull gambit
frail veldt
I wanted to see what it would do first pull gambit
try it for science
strong halo
if you get back to back double coups you def feel it but yeah just a regular dou...
You feel it like a tickle not like a BOOM
Like death stalker build up feels way more impactful imo
quaint wharf
try it for science
I might tn haha
strong halo
Oh shit here comes the boom when it’s fully loaded
quaint sable
<@921608341048930304>
u broke stealth with a trinket probs cause u didnt get ur first subt window, not spending on 5 and instead highly overcapping cp in subt window. Spending opt procs when they will overcap u by a lot. In this 1m clip u also got pretty unlucky with ss procs.
cinder haven
Free loot for everyone???
ocean swift
u broke stealth with a trinket probs cause u didnt get ur first subt window, not...
Thank you, I will try again
gaunt phoenix
@ everyone
gaunt phoenix
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
- Just before key placement use
AR into 
KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs. - KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
- During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
- After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open onto the pack with AR into
BtE.
proven ocean
hes not failing tav we are
well
frail veldt
why did u @ zac and not the rest of us
zeross likes to tell everyone that hes not telling them his secrets
vivid vessel
i didnt think about kezan
proven ocean
ye
vivid vessel
but idk if its good or
vivid vessel
im using
proven ocean
its more stats
vivid vessel
look
proven ocean
100% stronger
proven ocean
nah
proven ocean
besides
kezan works entire fight
so ye
kinda good
maybe u proc pacemaker on ramp
without noticing
vivid vessel
i dont need it to work perma tbf
boss dies in 30s
or less
pacemaker is 100% uptime also
strong halo
how long does it take to farm turnip?
buoyant cosmos
how long does it take to farm turnip?
frail veldt
how long does it take to farm turnip?
depends on the season you plant it
how fertile the soil is
etc
hasty warren
sliced turnip on bread with butter :p
gaunt phoenix
https://www.wowhead.com/quest=29944/leaders-among-breeders
breeders
strong halo
same ithought u needed exalted
mighty pivot
are you guys ready for tonight's gigatuning?
gaunt phoenix
these quest titles
frail veldt
are you guys ready for tonight's gigatuning?
tuning on a friday?
strong halo
https://www.wowhead.com/quest=66418/testing-the-tuskarrsenal
bro this ones even faster @frail veldt ill race you
buoyant cosmos
these quest titles
They need puns to find the will to live after naming hundreds of quests
river escarp
these quest titles
MoP did also bring us the illustrious Master Baiter NPC back in the day, to be fair.
frail veldt
bro this ones even faster <@151872253229924352> ill race you
im at work otherwise id be down
gaunt phoenix
true
strong halo
Same but im "working" WINK WINKI
frail veldt
hahaha
late swallow
Been “working” all day 
mighty pivot
tuning on a friday?
I mean, remember when they patched on a Friday a couple weeks ago and they broke NA's UIs? 
late swallow
Literally about to go on a hike
kind otter
I'm really bad with WAs and would like some help. I'm struggling to see when my ghostly strike is up with the luxthos wa pack. How to I remove seeing the remaining buff timer and change it to just cooldown. And is it possible to track the buff some other way
strong halo
I'm really bad with WAs and would like some help. I'm struggling to see when my ...
i honestly delete 90% of those wa as bloat
but im an old man can only look at so many thing
frail veldt
I'm really bad with WAs and would like some help. I'm struggling to see when my ...
under the triggers tab you will see a list of elements, one should be cooldown one should be aura target debuff. If you remove the debuff trigger it should fix that
kind otter
i honestly delete 90% of those wa as bloat
i need WAs to play the game i cant lie
frail veldt
Id recommend making a backup before you mess iwth it if its your first time
like clone the wa
strong halo
same but like look hjow little i see
frail veldt
and just set it to load->never in the load tab
kind otter
Id recommend making a backup before you mess iwth it if its your first time
so like just download a copy and never load it yeah?
frail veldt
so like just download a copy and never load it yeah?
you can right click the GS wa and copy it
kind otter
oh i see
frail veldt
and just set it to load->never so its just turned off
and just lives as a backup while you mess with the other one
strong halo
yeah you legit can remove most thigns and just have 1-5 things show
buoyant cosmos
Here's a third dummy, even easier to get. https://www.wowhead.com/object=378857/lost-obsidian-cache#comments
frail veldt
I have that one yeah
but they disabled a few of those in keys for some reason
like theyre friendlyu
instead of hostile
vivid vessel
nah
frail veldt
yeah I still use the dragonflight dummy as my main one
vivid vessel
its just that
strong halo
you only need it prekey no?
vivid vessel
love fool used to work indoor
frail veldt
ye
vivid vessel
but they changed that
strong halo
so which one works best
vivid vessel
now its friendly when you do
buoyant cosmos
I bought this way back in wod to get SnD up before the pull lol
frail veldt
so are there any indoor working dummies now?
buoyant cosmos
Pog fish goes crazy
frail veldt
turnip is such a classic I need to go get it for sure
kind otter
under the triggers tab you will see a list of elements, one should be cooldown o...
remove as in delete the trigger?
keen belfry
why does sub have good prio dmg
keen belfry
i just did an ara
and was fucking up the bloodguards
or whatever the big ugy called
buoyant cosmos
Isn't sub afk between cds
vivid vessel
because sub raid st build
= sub aoe build
and they just work like outlaw now
st all the time
random stirrup
their main big damage finisher also does more damage to prio target instead of hitting random mobs 
keen belfry
like i also dropped a nuke on first boss
vivid vessel
bro starting to realize outlaw is just shit
jolly geyser
bro starting to realize outlaw is just shit
I knew that after 1 raid
and im average
strong halo
what dungeon?
buoyant cosmos
spooders
keen belfry
what dungeon?
first boss ara
strong halo
ty Nightshade ez dumies
buoyant cosmos
ty Nightshade ez dumies
yw
strong halo
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
- Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
- KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
- During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
- After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
- Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.
strong halo
so we dont really neeed dummy pre key
buoyant cosmos
I think it's mostly for snd bug and warmup
latent oak
so we dont really neeed dummy pre key
can pre use killing spree to prestack the free ub procs
strong halo
yeah but u dont need dummy for that
latent oak
depends
willow portal
is sub easier than outlaw?
willow portal
hm
vivid vessel
just very simple to play once you understand it imo
willow portal
i did a few dungeons with 2fth and i dont really feel a difference i think
doing 2fth on streets and ara kara felt wrong tho
jolly geyser
how is sub going from full outlul stats?
willow portal
not that bad you just need diff rings / neck
isnt that usually the answer for all stat things
strong halo
Yeah but you can get away with liek crit vers
jolly geyser
im prolly more comfy on ass since I played it more
but I believe in some outlandish outlaw buffs
willow portal
on loomithar mythic we swap on to the web things right? just had a raidlead tell a sub and assa not to swap
ocean swift
what rogue spec is most powerful rn? assa?
strong halo
sub prbly
ocean swift
i see assa on many keys top
pure folio
kinda need a dummy to do 2 rtb
How does that work? Wouldn’t attacking a dummy spend your supercharger if you’re trying to lower ur rtb cd?
willow portal
but i was also a soaker so i often times couldnt swap
did you solo with cloak too?
keen belfry
no but i shouldve tbh
vivid vessel
How does that work? Wouldn’t attacking a dummy spend your supercharger if you’re...
ye you can snd tho
strong halo
so you spam on dummy spend 2 RTB, AR > KS and start key?
and hten out side of bubble you rtb?
willow portal
why the dummy tho
rotund zodiac
Bruh fatebound feel so good to play in keys
restive mango
yeah it usually feels good not to care about damage too much
rotund zodiac
The AR uptime is insane
orchid nymph
do you guys use macro for ghostly strike
rotund zodiac
yes
buoyant cosmos
to 7
orchid nymph
.. :D
gaunt phoenix
For trickster you can macro it to everything
restive mango
yeah easier to answer what I dont macro it into
gaunt phoenix
For fatebound you kinda have to press it
eternal ore
do you have to swap targets constantly with cudgel?
pure folio
no
gaunt phoenix
No it just happens
eternal ore
oh okay, ty!
lofty pike
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
restive mango
its not the first hit on each mob just the first hit each pull
gaunt phoenix
If there are 28 mobs you should wiggle around a bit
restive mango
resets on vanish
gaunt phoenix
So blade flurry tags them all
pure folio
Bladeflurry can only hit 8, so you have to move around to get it to hit everything
Vanishing or shadowmelding resets it, meaning you have to wiggle around after every vanish/meld
timid idol
is this the neck from soulbinder?
i assume it's way better than seaforium myth right?
buoyant cosmos
you can just sim it
timid idol
i could but seaforium myth loses to sacbrood/claw myth or soulhunters hero right?
so it technically could be replaced "easily"
viscid forge
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
echo hill
Playing nightelf to get one more subterfuge window 👀
lone crow
Was it far behind or pretty close? Gambit has insane aoe at start but in priory ...
200k behind but as ive said i played not optimal at all
covert kestrel
i could but seaforium myth loses to sacbrood/claw myth or soulhunters hero right...
Sacbrood isn't that good anymore unless you don't have the haste to hit your breakpoint
proven ocean
@vivid vessel
4.16m dps cds ready
pure st
why dont they buff outlaw+assa st
i dont understand
this is so stupid
pastel cedar
they hate us
graceful rover
Where tuning
vapid blaze
sub gets to play essentially raid st build in keys right
vapid blaze
we used to be allowed that aswell
vapid blaze
wich is like the main reason
proven ocean
same for outlaw now
pure pad
kinda bad
idk why they dont fix this cringe design
idk
vapid blaze
we lose like what
15% or smth?
vapid blaze
oh
on alrdy average st
vivid vessel
and another 12 from pc talents
vapid blaze
and then you lose another couple% cause ks hits random stuff
vapid blaze
well assa has the same issue
you go from fatebound st talents
to smth completly different
proven ocean
wdym i did say assa
well
ye
assa loses same st as outlaw
i think
but
iye
ye
vapid blaze
prob more depending on build xD
atleast they can somewhat make it up with funnel (once they fix that)
proven ocean
overall sin is way worse than outlaw
on pure st
but
if u count the funnel and all
they're equal i'd say
vapid blaze
they have a better damage profile aswell
strong halo
@proven ocean do you play tornado? that ability feels cringe
proven ocean
nah i dont
its decent in some dungs but
in those dungeons u just play assa anyway
pure folio
overall sin is way worse than outlaw
in keys or both in their ST talents?
thought assa was higher pure ST if both playing their raid builds, unless youre talking about assas st in bleed build
pure folio
then thats abysmal..
pure folio
yayaya
thats what i thought i was confused for a sec, but u mean in dungeons
bleed build assa in ST is just in energy poverty 24/7
cinder relic
Dw the raid st build is the same type of poverty
sudden fulcrum
content creators will say literally anything to get you to click
there is a monetary incentive
there is no requirement to be truthful in any way
cold tide
Are soul hunter boots actually kind of mid unless you get them on mythic? sims seem to hate them
pure folio
no theyre good
fast bloom
Ok why did this guy just say outlaw is the most popular rogue spec in raid
Look Ma, I'm on TV
late swallow
Ok why did this guy just say outlaw is the most popular rogue spec in raid
Marcelian seems like a sweet guy, but he looks like there were 2 teachers in his classroom
worldly shale
Marcelian seems like a sweet guy, but he looks like there were 2 teachers in his...
they changed channels name
fathom bramble
Are soul hunter boots actually kind of mid unless you get them on mythic? sims s...
Do you happen to need the current haste on your shoes to hit our haste cap?
hasty warren
is this ok for HOA ?
vivid vessel
https://youtu.be/hIpSdcDuHsk?si=rRJTz35ERwos2z55&t=882
ok he is cooked or what
worldly shale
ITS CRAAANKING
late swallow
fathom bramble
Someone fucked up his notes lol
vivid vessel
where we arent even the best rogue spec
pure folio
arent we worse than both assa and sub in ST??
vivid vessel
shopuld have used this picture
willow portal
Ok why did this guy just say outlaw is the most popular rogue spec in raid
i met him in person, very cool dude
fathom bramble
In theory on pure patchwerk we should beat sub
ashen void
outlaw is cranking
there was a typo i think it meant to say outlaw is krangled
vivid vessel
he is like
sub look strong but underated
no one plays it ?
wdym no one plays it
everyone plays sub
worldly shale
literally everyone on prog
plays sub
idk
"ayo rogue switch to outlaw, its cranking"
"we need it for this boss"
"CRANK"
willow portal
where is outlaw needed?
fathom bramble
Orgozoa
fathom bramble
asking Zac to play outlaw is different from asking a normal rogue to do it
vivid vessel
Wave asked zac to play outlaw on prog
they did
but
well not really
they just asked me
if i was considering outlaw
on any bosses
and i told them fract and dh
willow portal
why on fract?
vivid vessel
because if there is one fight
outlaw is theorically better
but no one played it
its fract
fathom bramble
because on paper we have good ST and you can actually put up numbers on fract since there is nothing evil going on
worldly shale
why assa on loom btw
cinder relic
why assa on loom btw
Damage amp execute goog for sin
fathom bramble
I hate looms fake damage amp
craggy barn
https://youtu.be/hIpSdcDuHsk?si=rRJTz35ERwos2z55&t=882
saying outlaw is the most popular rogue spec rn is so funny 
fathom bramble
it's not a real damage amp
you might want execute to not run out of space, but it's not a real damage amp
vivid vessel
i mean