outlaw

[dawn talon]

i ate an 18in cheesesteak and 2lbs of cheese fries bro

i legit couldn't keep my eyes open

[wintry solar]

youre not gonna shit for a week

[dawn talon]

im not lactose intolerant

[fathom bramble]

I would not have guessed that 1 talent swap would do that much

[random stirrup]

worrying that its that close though

[dawn talon]

im so lactose tolerant

[gaunt phoenix]

i accidentally did a key with swift slasher instead of deft

[wintry solar]

its close enough I'd play it

[fathom bramble]

dropping your 1fth for 1 take em is only 2.8% behind in my current gear lol

with TF on

[dawn talon]

so you just never hit ps

[gaunt phoenix]

you invoke some ancient rule from shadowlands

for ps

i'd have to look at it to see what it is

[fathom bramble]

patchwerk KIR fatebound going from 2fth to 1fth 1take is also only a 1.8% loss

[wintry solar]

SL but the long way

[fathom bramble]

there might be something hiding in here

a tiny gain for running evil talents

[glass mortar]

spider???

[indigo token]

yeah

i mean have you seen a spiders ass

they got cushion for the pushin

[mighty pivot]

[fathom bramble]

imagine if audacity was a flat % instead of scaling with fan

like if it was 80% or whatever

kir audacity improved ambush 0fth

of course at that point kir ho would probably be good

[glass mortar]

what spider

[gaunt phoenix]

loomithar

[late swallow]

i can't stop watching suits bro

[wintry solar]

im glad youre doing all this, I'd have been threatened with a mute by now

[gaunt phoenix]

is a spider being

[keen belfry]

loom

[late swallow]

literally watched 2 seasons of suits in 2 days

[wintry solar]

more like coom

[indigo token]

or BOOM

[late swallow]

mf doom

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/big-aj-big-justice-boom-costco-guys-gif-13543695932005238540

[keen belfry]

i just copied solos guides in #outlaw-faq and read the pins and it helped me

thank you @gaunt phoenix

[wintry solar]

SOMEBODY SAY BOOM?

[late swallow]

hey thanks @gaunt phoenix

[indigo token]

guys

if that rogue chick from hearthstone is our delve partner in midnight

that means midnight is the rogue expansion

[late swallow]

[wintry solar]

outlaw will be a russian stealth spec

like the boots of questionable stealth

iykyk

[glass mortar]

is this really a spider

maybe its some cursed half breed insect thingy i guess

[keen belfry]

weran

she webs us

[sullen wyvern]

why is the ecodome trinket doing more damage than soulhunter at both same ilvl

[wintry solar]

squirts web on us

[glass mortar]

you know theres like, dozens of insect types that make silk and web right

[sullen wyvern]

and why does soulhunter trinket simms higher

[glass mortar]

probably hundreds

i only know about dozens

i defintly would call this bich a moth tho

got moth eyes

got moth antenna

spiders aint got no antenna

[late swallow]

i'm slangin' webs too watching hayley williams' live sets

[glass mortar]

spiders certainly dont have giant compounded eyes

[late swallow]

[keen belfry]

im going to killl weran

[indigo token]

loomithar has that gushy gushy

i know it

[keen belfry]

i literally just fucked a spider and werans tell me its not a spider

[glass mortar]

she got 6 legs

[short fable]

[glass mortar]

do spiders have 6 legs?

[glass mortar]

not even the spiders in nerub have fukin 6 legs

[cinder relic]

Stop being weird

[indigo token]

a disabled spider yes

[late swallow]

shit awang, weran's got you there

[wintry solar]

theyre beetles!

[indigo token]

nah i think it's a weevil

[glass mortar]

i mean to be fair to awang i 100% thought this was obviously a moth

[wintry solar]

and I think ur dum

[glass mortar]

but looking at it its not a moth

[keen belfry]

werans using biology in world of warcraft

[glass mortar]

it aint no spider tho

[wintry solar]

im sorry that was mean

[keen belfry]

spiders might not have 8 legs in zaeroth

[glass mortar]

some cursed half breed nonsense prob

[keen belfry]

dumba!

[indigo token]

see? looks the same

[short fable]

is this boe i found particularly useful on any rogue spec btw

or just sell

[torpid fiber]

that's cracked on outlaw no?

[glass mortar]

yea ur right

[tender rapids]

ayo everyone fuk feral

i wan to be a ninja

[glass mortar]

remind me how many limbs queen had in s1 again

thatll show me if spiders in azeroth have 8

oh wait it was 8

[indigo token]

INCORRECT

[fathom bramble]

simply never casting PS is a gain for 0fth fatebound kir

[indigo token]

She had 2 arms

[short fable]

idk i have haste vers ring from gambit and crit haste ring from dawnbreaker both hero

[glass mortar]

she has 4 arms

[wintry solar]

do you think theres intolerence between the bug people and their number of legs?

[indigo token]

thus 10 limbs

oh

[wintry solar]

like bug racism?

[indigo token]

12 LIMBS THEN

[fathom bramble]

it's still way behind 1fth fatebound kir

[glass mortar]

4 legs 4 arms

8

[indigo token]

wait she does have 4 legs

[glass mortar]

yes

im getting gaslit rn

[indigo token]

does this make patchwerk a spider

2 legs, probably 6 arms

8 limbs

spider

[glass mortar]

i guess these people arent all spiders tho right that would be silly

im pretty sure the giant general guys are beetles?

i never looked too closely tbh

[wintry solar]

I read that as besties

[indigo token]

they are besties!

[wintry solar]

I dont have my contacts in

[glass mortar]

anyway im sorry awang i dont think that was a spider

[cinder relic]

Sub and outlaw

[glass mortar]

u might wanna get tested

[cinder relic]

Using the exact ring on dimmy rn

[short fable]

i thought subtlety wanted mastery vers

[cinder relic]

Crit/vers/mastery is all the same for sub atm

[short fable]

o

[glass mortar]

if i see a pure vers BoE ring on AH for an affordable price

[indigo token]

the world if reforging was still a thing

[glass mortar]

im gunna slurp that right up

[short fable]

so how much mastery do you need until you can just stop putting more into it and build other stats

[cinder relic]

theres no magic number really

[short fable]

or does it just not matter and fuck it we ball

[cinder relic]

U just sim ur charatcer, crit/vers/mast is all the asme for sub

When u have low mastery, masrtery will be best

when U have low crit, crit will be best

It just flops around

[short fable]

i have a myth Lily

so idk if that means i can just build around it or not

[cinder relic]

Dont think that influences much but idk

[short fable]

i mean doesn’t it line up with shadowblades

[cinder relic]

It does but U want prism on sub primarily

[short fable]

fuark

[wintry solar]

my wishlist for midnight are as follows, in no particular order

Mastery rework

decoupling from vanish

kir stays

[cinder relic]

and then if u have prism, ur best option is forge, or a random passive

[indigo token]

what would a good mastery for outlaw be though

more cp? more cdr?

[wintry solar]

yeahhh idk tbh

[cinder relic]

So lily is kind of a decent option until u get prism

[indigo token]

jesus christ i cant talk about rogue without sounding like a criminal

[short fable]

i have 7/8 champ prism does that beat 6/6 myth lily

[wintry solar]

I just want one that doesnt feel like a wasted stat

[indigo token]

it fits though

but its not the cool criminal

[cinder relic]

probs lol

[short fable]

cuz if it does, fuck my crests

[cinder relic]

Idk tho go sim it

[short fable]

simming rn

[fallow sonnet]

So guys

[indigo token]

yes

[fallow sonnet]

I keep getting ROBBED of subterfuge in raid fights

[indigo token]

mhm

[wintry solar]

I want to go "oh cool, mastery" instead of "Aw man, Mastery >:["

[fallow sonnet]

And I have no on use trinkets nor any macros that use any on use trinkets

HNDA8IYUGBHDYUIAGBHWOU8IYDA

[glass mortar]

do u have an on use trinket macrod to ur abilities

hmm

well we need a log

cant really tell much from just whats being said

[indigo token]

incredible pfp collage

[short fable]

what if they gave us a useful mastery on outlaw instead of “funny offhand hit”

[fallow sonnet]

Was just wondering if anyone else experienced this and had it not be the trinket thing

LMFAO

[fallow sonnet]

💀

[glass mortar]

nop i havent had a subterfuge bug since they fixed the og ones back in s2 start

other then you know, dimi

[wintry solar]

ive had a few this patch

like 3 or 4

[short fable]

or like

[dawn talon]

our mastery is one of the coolest ones in the game it's just bad

[fallow sonnet]

ive only experienced it this patch

[short fable]

make % scale instead of flat

[dawn talon]

like

every mastery in the game that is just x% scaling on something

is shit design

id rather have main gauche but it does relevant damage any day

[glass mortar]

eh

why

it just fills up ur details and looks ugly

[short fable]

i wish they’d make the chance of the hit scale with mastery

[wintry solar]

isnt it effectively the same thing?

[glass mortar]

it doesnt rlly matter

[short fable]

machine gun auto rogue

[keen belfry]

just rank 1'd mugzee

[glass mortar]

it matters a little bit

not much tho

like if you have a tier set or item that amplifies ur ability damage of some spell by x%

ur mastery is completely unaffected as law

[hybrid crown]

I wonder if crit flask might start being a thing

[glass mortar]

if u had a flat % damage amp mastery, it would also scale with that tier bonus

since its amping the damage of the abilities also being amped by tier

[keen belfry]

mugzee got blasted

[glass mortar]

basically no set bonus ever increases ur masteries value

[keen belfry]

oo rank 1'd vexie too

[dawn talon]

similar, but it takes us out of competing for 'x mastery for 20 seconds' trinkets and actually has something to do with the spec

[wintry solar]

oh my god guys

Johnny Cash works at blizz!

the man in black is back

[frail veldt]

Already is for me

You should sim it

[hybrid crown]

it is for HO in keys for sure

[frail veldt]

I'm playing KiR

Its ahead of vers flask and I have 37% vers natty

[hallow crow]

where did u get these item w?

[gaunt phoenix]

that's boe ring

[cinder relic]

Boe ring

wowpay2win

[hallow crow]

lol

[cinder relic]

was like 300k or smthing

So excited to spend 5m on a full vers mythic one

[keen belfry]

reprogging gally rn

[rose granite]

it better have terts at that price sheesh

[fallow sonnet]

another thing i noticed is sometimes im getting robbed of my combo points that AR is supposed to give me at start of fight, but its inconsistent. I usually open with RTB and this macro. is this screwing me?
also, should i hit RTB before or after AR in opener?

KIR

[gaunt phoenix]

rtb after

also that AR thing happens if you arent in combat yet

tank needs to pull first

cause combo points do reset on raid encounter start

[glass mortar]

i feel like even vers specs dont want vers enough to budget a 10k pure vers ring and its only us, so hopefully this will be the cheapest of the pure rings, but all pure rings will be pretty expensive yea

tiny crit massive vers will probably be the cheapest variance, im hoping to nab one of those

guess it depends on BoE drop rate at the end of the day

theres was already a pure mastery ring on the AH for like 3m when i checked the other day

[fallow sonnet]

okay yeah makes sense

[desert tendon]

hello weran i like you i think

[glass mortar]

ceeeeeeeeeensi

brann check!

[desert tendon]

i mean

[glass mortar]

brann

[sudden lava]

Does having a dagger in my offhand inhibit my damage? For some reason my dmg in keys and in raid is almost half my sim dps

[glass mortar]

check

[rose granite]

heres to my 1 million gold budget cause i aint paying more

[glass mortar]

no

[desert tendon]

there is my brann

what ya think

[gaunt phoenix]

No its the same

[glass mortar]

based

[sudden lava]

Thanks guys, I’ll do some more research and figure out what’s wrong

[random geyser]

god we are 30% behind best dps on dimensius and other late bosses in the raid wth

[desert tendon]

i just placed some needles for her to sleep long enough, i m doing the 50+ hours game save, which means i know need to afk 35h

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz outlaw is just naturally more likely to clash with fanciful raid encounters

unless they print one that is just perma uptime like gally

[glass mortar]

what on earth r u playing

is that mgs

[random geyser]

yeah but kinda wild when people have been saying how good balance is

[glass mortar]

actually nvm this is all off topic and its bedtime, glhf censi, I expect another brann check next time we chat

[desert tendon]

IT IS MGS

mgs 3 remake

global release was today but i got it 2 days ago and i already finished it 4 times....

[glass mortar]

sheeeeeeeeesh

you are metals most solid gear

🫡

[desert tendon]

but now in order to 100% i need to do this fucking 50h+ saves

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

imagine i cleared the hardest difficulty at the hardest rank in 2h30 chilling (used to be able to do it in 1.10ish iirc)

so 50h save 😴

[meager swallow]

!log

[frosty leaf]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[analog radish]

!pull

!pre key

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[smoky matrix]

!macros

[midnight thorn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[smoky matrix]

any useful macros?

!tier

[fathom whale]

Hey my mans silly question, i see outlaws rollin 2 diff specs, KIR and hidden op, If I sim higher KIR do I just stick with that, or is hidden op more consistent? What’s the go. I’ve been blasting my bm monk but I’m slamming my outlaw on the side

[torpid fiber]

KIR is better rn

[fathom whale]

Roger that 👍

[smoky matrix]

question for tier, are we leaving any off pieces?

[tender wedge]

its in the wowhead guide, i think we have hands from HoA

[buoyant cosmos]

gloves from halls are the ones you want

[smoky matrix]

ty

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix - You arouand

I see the double jeopardy was added to the sims. hows that work exactly

[smoky matrix]

anywhere i can find some useful macros?

🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

it just supports the behavior where you can AR+GS at the same time from stealth to get 6 of both coins

[prime glade]

are yall making any effort to make sure that Killing spree and or Coup De Grace are being used at full combo points/ with supercharger?

Or is it just a, if it happens then cool if not DW

I would assume if you have Broadside you dont want to reroll without loaded dice

[tough ocean]

are we able to macro ghostly strike into BTE or that not recommended?

[prime glade]

prolly could but there are niche moments where you might overcap on CPS

But probably worth losing the need to click an extra button

also in moments where you're in downtime/unlocky you might want control over generating combo points when ur starved

unlock*

[pure folio]

Yes

Only for FB builds

[torpid fiber]

Don't we not want to do it for fb

[frank finch]

damn fb cranks in m+

[cinder haven]

does i really?

it does in dslice sims

but in practise?

[pure folio]

that is a wild statement

maybe only in like streets

[pure folio]

The only reason you would do it is there is a chance to bug the coin flips

[torpid fiber]

Oh right yeah

but that has the risk that if you need to bte to keep the buff up you might gs badly

[pure folio]

You can have two seperate binds

Personally I have a BTE, a GS, then the GS BTE

[torpid fiber]

I think the funniest part of the gs bte bug is that it doesn't work for mashers and also it doesn't work for non-mashers

You have to wait until gcd and no one does that ever

[gaunt phoenix]

[torpid fiber]

solo don't try to tell me ur clipping gcds on the reg

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps clipping a gcd is worth the coins

[torpid fiber]

Yeah it probably is

But also I don't think I could get my brain to consistently get the timing

if I usually press my input 200+ ms before the gcd delaying that throws everything off

[unkempt cypress]

Are other specs better than outlaw? If so, why do ppl keep playing it?

[torpid fiber]

Fun as fuck

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps they like it

[torpid fiber]

and has been consistently fun as fuck for the last 5 years

[lime lake]

why does anyone do anything

[gaunt phoenix]

video games? played for fun?

[torpid fiber]

Playing outlaw in a key is the single most consistent way I have to enter a flow state, there's too much going on for my brain to be able to do anything else

[marble meteor]

The first part of the question is yes according to the stats. But it depends on the situation.

[pure folio]

@gaunt phoenix on soulhunters, if you kir 1 fth at 3 buffs but two are RP and broadside youre supposed to kir right?

or does it change at a certain target count

[gaunt phoenix]

using KIR at 3 buffs in general is very small expected loss compared to 4 buffs

I like to kir at the very last second of 3 buffs

[pure folio]

Yea, especially with rp and broadside right? ik in aoe ur supposed to

but idk if soulhunter counts as "aoe"

[gaunt phoenix]

There's not an aoe vs st distinction for kir

[marble meteor]

depends on how they handled by the tanks 🙂

[pure folio]

"in aoe" first line

thought it meant there was a difference

but gotcha ty

[gaunt phoenix]

oh ye i could remove that

[pure folio]

kk just making sure cuz someone was asking for a log review and i realized i wasnt sure if there was a difference for aoe vs st on that rule

[frank finch]

eco

[pure folio]

o nice

does ur tank pull small?

[frank finch]

nah was normal pulls

[pure folio]

how much what ur coin damage

[gaunt phoenix]

i would think trickster is more overall, but fatebound is more viable than people think it is probably

[frank finch]

so much more chill

tho

plz put perma tricks in the class tree

[pure folio]

i feel like theres no way u play it in like a priory or flood

i can see it in some dungeons it being viable

[cinder haven]

looking a bit at overalls from wcl logs it seems kinda far behind on pretty much every dungeon

but it could also be because it's not played much

[marble meteor]

or ppl playin ST spec in dungeons

[random obsidian]

how far behind is it supposed to be in AoE compared to trickster?

[gaunt phoenix]

in pure aoe it is 6-8% behind? that was before ghostly strike tech though

[elder phoenix]

from raidbots its a lot

[prime glade]

Wait what's the Ghostly strike tech

[elder phoenix]

is the ghostly strike tech in the guides now?

[cinder haven]

I ran some sims yesterday, it's not that far behind

just like 3-4% in 8t

in theory

and way ahead on ST obv

[random obsidian]

it doesnt sound much of a loss to do a bit better than tank ST

[elder phoenix]

basically you sync vanish with gs holding vanish etc

[cinder haven]

maybe there are not enough logs with the new tech yet

here is one good log

[elder phoenix]

cuz going to GS > BTS after vanish gives out alot of coins or w/e

[cinder haven]

on gambit

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean if you forced zac to play fatebound

[prime glade]

I see now. Seems like a bug?

[elder phoenix]

check pins

[gaunt phoenix]

Vanish > GS is not a bug, but there is some extra bugged stuff you can do

[elder phoenix]

Oh like what

do tell

😄

[cinder haven]

yeah I was gonna say, if I filter out zacs logs maybe it will be closer 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

The pin has everything

Its also in faq now

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/NfSiRfU.jpeg

this is the bug right?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[prime glade]

Right that's what I mean

Cus it's duplicating the proc cus they are both off the gcd

Yeah I don't use macros, I'll learn how to do it natty

Already playing piano melodies with the spec, bout time they added chords

[cinder haven]

1pt fth trickster ST is no fun, might try some fb

haven't touched it this tier since I don't really raid

[gaunt phoenix]

idk how people can prog raid and think im really getting the most out of my time here

[prime glade]

Can we s/o how sick outlaw FAQ is vs how ass the sub and assa ones are

[gaunt phoenix]

they just prefer to have it on wowhead

[prime glade]

Like those are just linktrees

[cinder haven]

If I had infinite time to play the game I would maybe bother with raid, but it's a huge time investment for sure

[hollow bloom]

Too many mouth breathers to actually commit to raiding.

[prime glade]

If you're not trying to socialize/Raid lead, pugging raid is misery

[cinder haven]

myth raiding takes way too much time for me, and hc raiding is kinda pointless

I guess I'll have to pug it to get the boots tho

meh

[prime glade]

I enjoy teaching ppl and like improving a group over pulls

I also enjoy the speed run vibes of optimizing a fight for the best parses

[cinder haven]

prog raiding can be fun in a good guild of course

I like m+ with friends, very cozy

[gaunt phoenix]

Until you are forced to play sub

[prime glade]

Not real friends

Nah sub isn't that bad. Leagues more entertaining than whatever burning crusade ass spec Assa is

[gaunt phoenix]

Sin in raid maybe

[random obsidian]

whats wild is that the hardest part about mythic raiding (in a random guild ofc) is getting recruited

[gaunt phoenix]

sin in keys is fairly interesting

[cinder haven]

sin in aoe is fun yeah

[cinder relic]

I love spending time wit da boys

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[stiff hawk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/124169701881282560/1110305168328765440/6an3o7.gif

[fallow fractal]

does 2nd coup do dmg as it has max cp

from 4 piece i mean

[gaunt phoenix]

Nah it uses current cps

[lyric crest]

still cant believe they took the bug from s2 and made it into the tier set

[hasty phoenix]

If I want to use 6 coins bug, do I have to bind adrenalin and gs together? Using them seperately and manually without macro will not trigger the bug?

I just feel comfortable when I press different buttons manually for two skills so I wonder

[stiff hawk]

OR they tried something on PTR like this, but forgot to disable it

[brisk meadow]

its actually fun tho

[stiff hawk]

Yeah its alright

[lyric crest]

wasn't the bug that the buff persisted too long?

[stiff hawk]

Yes, but thats what the Tier set also does

So there are two options.
It was a bug and they made it a Feature.
Or they tested this kind of Gameplay Mechanic but forgot to disable it for S2.

Second one is probably little bit tinfoily

[lyric crest]

feel like first one is more like it

[quiet root]

yeah they wouldn't intentionally make it like it was in S2 because you don't get time to build the cp for coup

[lyric crest]

they do like recycling stuff

(doom / doombrand, free nourish from clearcast regrowth, etc)

[quiet root]

it turns out that you can low-cp coup and it's fine, but that's definitely not the intended way to coup

[normal forge]

as my guild approach mythic i wonder if they will not ask nicely for me to re-spec into sub

[stiff hawk]

I mean its kind of irrelevant for the most bosses i think

Like Outlaw on Araz isnt bad

[normal forge]

on my guild, hc guild, feral and sub are pumping top dps all bosses pretty much

[cedar kernel]

hum

hotfix spec tune when

[wintry solar]

absolutely my least favorite outlaw

god I can wait until this abomination is off my game

[stiff hawk]

I dont know why

but i feel like i hear this every season

[wintry solar]

I thought it was df S4

but list was updated about 10 minutes ago

I dont think I heard it last season

if I did it was drowned out by KS hate

[stiff hawk]

Popo a generational hater

but not like Zac

nobody hates like Zac

[wintry solar]

I thought I'd go all expac without being a hater

[simple gull]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[wintry solar]

unless my rage quit was last season

[simple gull]

I'm using muropaketti's WA's to track if I need to RtB or KiR, is it any good or is it bait and should I start manually tracking?

[empty patrol]

[wintry solar]

its fine for baseline stuff but you really should just manually track

[leaden hazel]

A bug i believe to have found when no one played trickster before it got buffed and you could bug out the trickster /fatebound by respecing. I like to believe that my find was...inspirational...

[wintry solar]

yeah pvpers found it before the rest did back in s1

[dry jay]

How versatile is the cap?

[wintry solar]

@fathom bramble for every bte that doesnt proc ace, thats +1 to the "bring back dreadblades" list

Dimmy hitbox is my 13th reason why

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[wintry solar]

hello

[hasty warren]

how are u popo ?

[wintry solar]

we killed dimmy

I died though

didnt get the hearthstone

other than that pretty okay

not fighting that boss as outlaw gain though

[mighty pivot]

fake pirate

[wintry solar]

you wouldnt know pirate if I shot you in the face

[mighty pivot]

go to sleep popo you were yapping when I went to sleep last night and you are still here

[proven ocean]

Pro comp only

@vivid vessel u think rogue is pro comp worthy?

[wintry solar]

its my week off

I wasnt even yapping

youre just evil

[torpid fiber]

+12 PRO COMP

[daring oxide]

Will try that macro

[wintry solar]

hi vai

makes me proud

I still got the best content in the game to run (delves)

[daring oxide]

lol

ngl

delves are so fun as trickster outlaw

[proven ocean]

No cappy?

[daring oxide]

when we dont have to worry about tanking anything

we leave brann to bare the pain

[wintry solar]

yeah what a G

and I dont ever feel the need to swap to FB because of that and KS has no other targets to hit 99% of the time

can I still get the hearthstone in lfr if I killed dimmy on a different difficulty?

[jolly geyser]

brann 3 lvls away from 100

[willow portal]

is it normal for me to do low boss damage on mythic araz?

[wintry solar]

hey I hit the haste threshold finally. Now I can stop playing kir below the required haste

[trim hound]

prayG for a myth MH in vault

i was a goofy and crafted stuff for sub and assa 😭

[wintry solar]

they should just give me myth track everything

[magic shuttle]

Ye, looking at existing logs outlaw boss damage is pretty garbo

Although everyone atm seems to be running trickster

Maybe fatebound can be better on forge

[wintry solar]

Scroll of Momentum back on the table?

[magic shuttle]

Can you even loot scroll this season?

[wintry solar]

idk, I got it as a WQ reward

[magic shuttle]

Ah well wq I guess

[wintry solar]

Explorer track unfort

[magic shuttle]

But not in delves I'd assume

Converting cudgel to a myth track would be banger

[hexed leaf]

!log

[hasty warren]

how is pvp tihs season ?

[wintry solar]

good if youre not outlaw

[hasty warren]

🙂

[wintry solar]

kir being best build in pvp is such a slog

[hasty warren]

gonna play my disco so

[wintry solar]

love that one

outlaw/disc unironically my 2nd fav 2s comp

[magic shuttle]

Pretty sure I'm seeing ho at top ratings for pvp

Instead of kir

[wintry solar]

you are

theyre taking the loss as are most others

[hasty warren]

I played a lot outlaw+holy priest during df with a friend, realy fun

[magic shuttle]

To not play kir?

[wintry solar]

yeah

im jumping ship soon too

[magic shuttle]

Kir that bad?

[wintry solar]

you dont get the uptime and RB is nerfed in pvp

[magic shuttle]

They never did revert rb nerf...

[wintry solar]

and they probably never will

[magic shuttle]

Gotta get that 1.8k set nevertheless

[sleek pelican]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[magic shuttle]

It goes really well with the trading post weapons we got a couple months ago

[wintry solar]

yeah I dig this set

the weapons too

[magic shuttle]

I like the daggers from this tier

I just wish they have one handed agi swords in raids

Like

It's been fist weapons and maces for 3 tiers in a row

All the cool looking 1h swords are str/int

[wintry solar]

I like the hallowfall themed weapons a lot

their sets are good too

[magic shuttle]

No sword tmog there either

But daggers look cool

[wintry solar]

oh yeah its like a mace and axe I think

I'll check soon

I actually ant remember

[magic shuttle]

But yeah these weapons fit very nicely with the pvp elite set

[wintry solar]

oh yeahhh

im glad I got those

WoW always needed nunchucks

[mighty pivot]

bruh they still haven't fixed that you can leapfrog the lucky coin?

[inland acorn]

Why would they

[magic shuttle]

And a one handed sword that sheathes on the back!

[inland acorn]

Too busy doing another change to psychic link, and making sure mage is top dps

[wintry solar]

there are swords from SL that sheathe on the back

[magic shuttle]

The sanctum ones?

[wintry solar]

yeah

probably not the aesthetic you want tho

[magic shuttle]

I remember those swords...

I used my 4th bullion to buy one

And then the effect to sheathe on back did not work

Until it was randomly fixed in tww

[wintry solar]

I think it was DF because I used it with one of the time rift mogs and it sheathed on the back

[magic shuttle]

Maybe late df yeah

But I don't think they initially intended for agi users to loot it

It being a strength sword

[wintry solar]

yeah

we def need more 1h swords that sheathe on the back though

maybe something less flashy

so it'd mix with more mogs

[magic shuttle]

Yeah

Well we need 1h swords in the first place xd

[wintry solar]

I dig the less flashy stuff lately tbh

yeah true lol

[magic shuttle]

Give the dk's one handed maces and axes and we keep the swords

[wintry solar]

all these damn maces and DKs and Warriors getting all the swords

they need to learn to share

not even the honor gear...

Axe

i didnt notice this until you said something

the nightfall event isnt working

11 hours is enough I guess

[dry jay]

How versa is the cap?

How much maximum versatility do I have to have?

[vivid vessel]

ininfiite

there is no max

[inland acorn]

As much as you can

The only stat you want to get specific amount is haste

Rest is vers/crit dump

[cinder haven]

crit can overtake vers in value at really high values of vers, just sim

[dry jay]

Okey ty ❤️

[dim falcon]

Hello, I'm not entirely sure about the priority and wanted to ask.

When Adrenaline Rush is active, I want to use Subterfuge to get as many Between the Eyes with 5 combo points as possible. When Subterfuge is over, open a new Subterfuge window with Vanish.

Otherwise
Killingspree <- Coup de grace

Is that correct?
Do the “super combo points” count when it says to use 5 combo points?

[spare dome]

do not use vanish if killing spree is coming offcd soon

like ~20secs

BUT prio vanish if your adrenaline rush is ending and you have no new one ready

[daring yoke]

anyone know if screen loading or mounting removes supercharges?

[mighty pivot]

it doesn't

but respeccing does

[inland acorn]

KS and coup have higher prio, even if you're sitting at 2 stacks of vanish

As for supercharged combo points, you don't really look at them

[strong flicker]

whats the command for rogue sim

[inland acorn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strong flicker]

ty

[inland acorn]

No, only thing that can remove supercharges stacks (above 2) is boss resetting or starting m+

and obviously logging off and back

[strong flicker]

i see people play raid with Soulbreaker's Sigil in st

[inland acorn]

It's good st trinket

[strong flicker]

this trinket got buffed or its just good

[inland acorn]

I think it got buffed 2 weeks ago

[strong flicker]

6.2mil on p1

outlaw dead

[random void]

What Is optimal stat spread for outlaw?

[compact narwhal]

just hit your haste point for whichever build ur running then vers>crit>mast

9~ HO and 18-20~ for KIR, but just send sim too

[cinder haven]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[random void]

So another one which bulid would be good to run right now? M+, solo content

[forest grotto]

i was asking the same, how u would build outlaw heroic talent ? which is better in what situation ?

i mean i think im rly low on st m+ bosses.. and i don't get why and how to improuve it (currently playing trickster&KIR)

[wintry solar]

Is it really justified to call Adrenaline Rush that anymore? I think "A Sense Of Urgency" is more fitting.

[random void]

I just swaped from assa, didn’t like the dot gameplay to much. So I am wondering which better and where to invest

[willow portal]

checl the outlaw faq, it got lots of good info and builds

[keen belfry]

I’d play a 2fth kir build if I were one of you guys

[willow portal]

what do i drop for 2fth tho

[keen belfry]

Probably pc idk

Gs

Whatever solo plays

[wintry solar]

Honestly just take the L and run 2fth. Your ST sucks either way

[random void]

Is it worth suggesting with video like this: https://youtu.be/cwXfxtmYQF4?si=Ibv593jaHKiBrgmY

?

[quiet root]

disrespectful 🙁

[keen belfry]

No one learning outlaw should play 1fth

[quiet root]

that's fair

[willow portal]

hm thats sounds interesting

[forest grotto]

what means L and 2fth ?

[willow portal]

L means Loss

[keen belfry]

I’d simply play 2fth and no ghostly strike if i was learning outlaw in m+

[willow portal]

hm, i just marcroed gs into every builder and bte

[quiet root]

it's not about using GS or not, it's about having 2fth in and of itself

[willow portal]

but i am kinda new still only started like 1.5months ago. @keen belfry should i go 2fth then

[red zinc]

i strongly dislike dalaran gaming

[mighty pivot]

rouge

[keen belfry]

Probably tbh

[vivid vessel]

hm

it was better in s2 tho

[red zinc]

idk if hes cleaned it up since but his guides were always pretty incorrect

[vivid vessel]

if anything

[quiet root]

i mean you can try it out, it does feel noticeably better unless you play 1fth really well

[vivid vessel]

the ho build is less back

[quiet root]

sims lower but if you mess up at any point you're glad to have full fth

[random void]

So what to pick if I am running keys under 10

[vivid vessel]

no the build is fine

[mighty pivot]

you can play whatever then

[vivid vessel]

the title is just weird

its less back than it was in s2

[keen belfry]

1fth is an abomination

[vivid vessel]

it just got a bit worse

which is whatever tho

[random void]

So what is haste required because I don’t get that part

Is different to each build?

[spare dome]

9-10 HO, 19-20 kir

[mighty pivot]

I only now saw that the video suggests HO - rip s2 HO we will never forget you

[vivid vessel]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[mighty pivot]

HO can like more than 9-10% haste it mostly depends on whether you play with GS or not

[willow portal]

my damage looks ok i think compared to my guildmates in this 15 dome

[quiet root]

in your position i would decide between HO and KIR based on how much haste gear you have, and then play the 2fth build if you pick KIR

if you can't get to at least 18% haste play HO

[vivid vessel]

just play ho its easier

[quiet root]

yeah or that

[red zinc]

you are improving pretty steadily gotta say

keep it up twin

[quiet root]

looks good but i'm saying just try out 2fth and see how it feels and performs

i'm not like saying you're bad or anything

[hexed leaf]

I have do a !log if anibody can help me 😉 and i have a question about haste, it's haste with buff or without the buff for kir or HO ?

I have only 9%~ haste with my equipment

[agile quiver]

Regarding this, do we want to GS into KS if it lines up?

[quiet root]

personally i hate how 1fth feels on singletarget without broadside but i still play it 🙂

[red zinc]

@cinder haven is this you

[keen belfry]

You don’t play around this but it can happen just following priority

[willow portal]

ty bro :D

[agile quiver]

well, more wondering if can macro GS with KS as well, so it will trigger on KS if it's off cooldown

[keen belfry]

Don’t do that

[red zinc]

i mean you can but if thats the only thing you macro it to you are inting dps

significant amounts not like the small losses you would maybe normally get from macroing it

[agile quiver]

"as well", so not the only one. and have a standalone button as well

[keen belfry]

I don’t see a use for that macro lambda

Gs should have its own bind

So should ks

[quiet root]

yeah either you macro it to everything or to nothing imo

[keen belfry]

Man learning outlaw rn sounds miserable

Maybe this spec does need a huge rework

[red zinc]

i have zero faith

[agile quiver]

weird idea I had the other day: what if Adrenaline Rush was just a passive?

[red zinc]

i genuinely think theyll just change fatebound and make an apex talent that gets rid of button bloat in some way

[agile quiver]

we'd lose the CP from imp AR, but don't have to worry about uptime

[keen belfry]

They should just make the haste talent ho gets baselines

[willow portal]

just make half of the buttons a 30% proc chance somehow to introduce more rng

[keen belfry]

Our haste tax makes gearing so weird

[red zinc]

a haste tax that still is not noticeable unless you have prior knowledge

me when i add stat tax but i dont tell anyone

[vivid vessel]

timmy

dont come to chat tomorrow

[stiff glade]

[mighty pivot]

moving take 'em higher up would definitely help things a bit

[vivid vessel]

nah but variable gcd

cba

[red zinc]

i have a new idea for a tax

gotta have 50% mastery or else it auto switches you to assa

always wanted to be a haste mastery spec

[quiet root]

will it switch you from assa to law if you try to play assa >50% mastery?

[red zinc]

no then you get switched to sub

gotta get everyone multitalented

[keen belfry]

I really really dislike how coup + shadow techniques works

[strong halo]

Having coup up in Subter feels bad

[gaunt phoenix]

[red zinc]

someone in my guild is adamant that sub has the most dynamic and hardest rotation out of rogue specs

i couldnt seriously argue with that guy

[strong halo]

I think it’s hardest but I’ve only played 20 mins of sub KEK

[red zinc]

i mean hard is whatever

that shit is always the same sequence over and over

idk how anyone can claim it as dynamic

[strong halo]

You get procs too and min max DM it’s not really linear

But no where near as dynamic as outlaw

[keen belfry]

Sup double vanish guy

[strong halo]

It sucks too because no rings

[mighty pivot]

outlaw rework will remove haste tax so all is good

[keen belfry]

23% of my dmg being tails flips goes hard

on loom

[remote pecan]

Quadruple jeopardy?

[keen belfry]

maybe solo forgot to pin that

would there be any cool implications if you could just pandemic/add on timer to crackshot window

like vanish mid crackshot to just extend

probs not as we have a bunch goin gon outside of stealth but still

[jovial sedge]

1 fth kir FB sims higher in dslice for me 😮

[mighty pivot]

make subterfuge pandemic and give BtE a 1% chance per combo point to reset the cd of vanish

[keen belfry]

what if during vanish SS/ambush was guaranteed fth pistol shot proc

just like arcane soul windows, giving clear casting

lit no?

would be fun mini game to make sure to leave vanish window swith max opp procs

[mighty pivot]

that would help with low roll KIR subter windows, but wouldn't do that much for HO would it

[keen belfry]

let them rot

maybe just make ambush hit like a truck for HO players

[cinder haven]

hmm, can't FB use a macro like this?

/startattack
/cast [known:Unseen Blade][stance] Ghostly Strike
/cast Between the Eyes

[frank finch]

what that do

[cinder haven]

unless you are too quick with pressing the macro key after vanish it should work to use this always?

it'll gs before bte if in stealth

there is stance delay sometimes though so if you vanish into this too quickly it may not fire the gs I think

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frank finch]

macroing gs into vanish seems to work perfect

[vivid vessel]

i just made a macro like that aswell

that is known fatebound or whatever talent i found

[cinder haven]

can also use this?

/cancelaura [known:Hand of Fate] Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast [known:Hand of Fate] Ghostly Strike```

if you swap specs a lot

idk

I'm lazy

if you macro into vanish instead you have to use a different button for the vanish into adr

[clear plover]

Is hidden opportunity build the play now?

[gaunt phoenix]

It's not as good as kir but it's close enough if you prefer it

[cedar kernel]

tbh

tick very good in street

[snow viper]

4% with no main stat and dookie secondary doesn't seem remotely good

[trim hound]

yea all ur abilities

hit with 6k less agi

the entire dungeon

lol

hows that good

[brittle pond]

hey guys, do you use AR on CD even if its still up ?

[agile orchid]

if you have low combo points yes

[brittle pond]

oh okay

so it has highes prio on builders even when its up?

[agile orchid]

if you just used killing spree I think using SS has higher priority, but I could be wrong

[heady gale]

can someone explain to me why outlaw is rated so high in higher keys? And why you would play outlaw over things like dk etc?

[agile orchid]

is it?

[heady gale]

is it me or it does fuck all damage

[agile orchid]

I think only zac plays it in high keys

most rogues play sub or assa

[heady gale]

others too like that nessa rogue

[torpid fiber]

it's hard so ur probably doing way less damage than you could be, but also yeah general consensus among most high key ppl here is that spec is suboptimal this season

Ppl are playing it bc they enjoy it

[agile orchid]

spec is kinda undertuned

but very fun to play

it could be just one-trick ponies

[heady gale]

yeah i dont disagree with you there @torpid fiber but not that much optimization left to gain 2-3mil overall

[torpid fiber]

like this is why every season people keep playing outlaw, it's just an addictive spec with a bunch of otps

[agile orchid]

just wait until they ruin it in midnight

[gusty moon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[heady gale]

and i crafted sword

[hybrid crown]

I managed 8.3 and I'm pretty sure I can hit 9 in a good priory

That's plenty for me all I want is 3k anyways

[keen belfry]

slay king

[agile orchid]

when do we get the 3rd spark, next week?

maybe I will craft a sword too

[heady gale]

yeah ill get some minmax gear and then complain so save it till i cross that bridge

[agile orchid]

or I could just continue playing sub in m+

sub this season is quite fun

I hope they don't ruin it tonight with nerfs

[heady gale]

tuning tonight? @agile orchid

[agile orchid]

should be

[worldly shale]

do we get rep from

helping the oasis

wtf is this sht

[sudden fulcrum]

i think so

[worldly shale]

boring af

who plays wow

to shovel

nope

got no rep

XD

[white marten]

Anything that doesnt involve combat is a hard pass for me

[vale warren]

It's called outlaw now

[mighty pivot]

not for long

[vale warren]

Oh no

[daring oxide]

On a scale of 1 to 10 how confident are you for tuning tonight

[agile orchid]

4

[white marten]

50%

[agile orchid]

I saw what they did with warrior in season 1

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-memento-guy-pearce-leonard-shelby-don't-believe-his-lies-gif-3304893036380644647

hello embed?

[agile orchid]

or assa rogue in DF season 3

[daring oxide]

Nice

I hope they nerf PC to oblivion and buff BF again to 50%

[agile orchid]

being strong in low target cleave is nice

but it coming at the cost of doing tank dps in bigger target count

no thanks

[vivid vessel]

It's not cause it just fuck us over for m+ tuning

[compact mountain]

Has anyone else got a bug where the /cancelaura Stealth takes you out of the stealth toolbar as well, even while Subtlefuge is still active?

[vale warren]

Does that for me, I just assumed it's intended

[shell fossil]

any reason to play fatebound on streets? did i imagine someone saying that was a good idea?

[vast current]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[digital linden]

I think it was gambit

And dawnbreaker someone said

[shell fossil]

that doesn't sound right

[digital linden]

Which part

[daring oxide]

Nah tbh while PC was nice, we shouldn’t be reliant on it and they should get rid of PC and buff our BF damage baseline to like 50-55%, so we can play 2FTH again and do more ST and do fairly similar dps at low targets

[shell fossil]

delivered doom quits the key in the first 10 seconds

[agile orchid]

one can only dream

[keen belfry]

It’s funny cuz fixing PC was awesome but now we are reliant on taking it to do ape which then makes us play 1fth

Monkey paw right guys

[blazing zinc]

!spreadsheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[daring oxide]

Ya initially it was good especially when you combine pc with the season 2 tier set which gave perma 5 natties if you get me?

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel can you go kill dimensius already so we can see the real gameplay

[vivid vessel]

no

[daring oxide]

But once we lose that overabundance of RTB buffs pc feels bad again

[craggy quiver]

I play fate on streets

[daring oxide]

1FTH only felt good with s2 tier

[zinc briar]

Did thet Nerf all Rogue specs -1%??

[keen belfry]

Last season’s tier made 1fth palatable

[brittle pond]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[daring oxide]

Absolutely

And now it’s garbage and tanked our ST

So praying for a pc destruction and BF getting buffed back to normal or more again

[keen belfry]

All that to also get cooked in aoe too

[daring oxide]

Maybe buff FF as well

BF damage increase from FF that is

Buffing baseline BF damage makes fatebound better in m+ too

[strong halo]

is it even worth tracking slice and dice?

[mighty pivot]

no

[hybrid crown]

I keep switching between KIR and HO in keys at least in 10s the only difference I can notice is a tiny bit more in ST

For kir

[shell fossil]

if you're a nerd and wanna know when to stop mashing cancel aura for restless blades i guess

[hybrid crown]

The difference feels pretty smol

[shell fossil]

got 4 set today and the downtime between 3-5 buffs feels whatever

[late swallow]

cancelaura for restless blades?

[shell fossil]

#showtooltip Slice and Dice
/cancelaura Slice and Dice
/cast Slice and Dice

[strong halo]

Trying to update my ui. Should i move health bars to match WA sizing and bring it closer? Thinking of removing my name too

[late swallow]

oh that's what ur talking about

[shell fossil]

idk tho streets might be kinda lol with fatebound

i doubt it's good but it might go even

[strong halo]

maybe even move the names / hp into the bar

[hybrid crown]

1 fth KIR feels way more forgiving with 4 set

[cinder haven]

I’m gonna try some keys with fb

[vivid vessel]

im not

[keen belfry]

Tob?

[vivid vessel]

awangus

[keen belfry]

Zac I didn’t kill tethers that much on loom

My bad

[grim spear]

[keen belfry]

Why did my rsham do so much dmg to the tethers

[cinder haven]

Yes boss?

[keen belfry]

Fatebounf keys

[cinder haven]

Mhm

[keen belfry]

You will be delivering doom to your timer

[cinder haven]

It’s fine

[keen belfry]

Your fate will be bound to brick

[rotund haven]

Am I throwing by pressing slice and dice in my opener? It’s just muscle memory to me but sometimes I’m neg energy after opener

[keen belfry]

Yes

[rotund haven]

Yall even have the button mapped anymore? lol

[cinder haven]

Gotta play it a bit, otherwise no shot for optimisations

[keen belfry]

Not bound anymore

[rotund haven]

Wow crazy times

Ty awang

[cinder haven]

So what if some keys get bricked

[keen belfry]

Are you supercharging snd on your opener

That’s kinda goated

[rotund haven]

I’ve been doing the pre key fuckery that’s pinned

[cinder haven]

They’ll understand when I explain it’s for science

[rotund haven]

Roll a few times before the key starts…AR into KS

[keen belfry]

Where does this snd fit

When do you press it

[rotund haven]

During the “bubble” SnD into BF into stealth

[keen belfry]

I mean I guess that’s fine

You don’t lose anything

[rotund haven]

Doesn’t seem optimal tho so curious how you start

[cinder haven]

You can’t consume supercharges with snd

[keen belfry]

Same as you just no snd

[rotund haven]

Kk ima unbind it tonight, I knew about dispatch applying snd but always had the muscle memory of pressing it

[craggy quiver]

Fate is fine for streets not sure about any thing else

[keen belfry]

I mean you literally lose nothing the way you do it tbh, since you already lose those combo points when bubble goes away

But unbind it

[rotund haven]

True…actually a W qol change, less maintenance I guess

[frail veldt]

I do that for the cdr on bfury

[cinder haven]

I’m gonna play fb with both ld and soh

[frail veldt]

Looool

What are you dropping to get both?

KS?

[cinder haven]

Versa

[frail veldt]

Ooo

[cinder haven]

Nah not ks

[gaunt phoenix]

[frail veldt]

Noice noice

[cinder haven]

For science

But it’s like 8% behind on aoe or something compared to trickster

Probably trolling

[magic sage]

I'm strugglebussing with my stats and have so much haste, could I drop alacrity for something else? I'm at 25% unbuffed lmao

oh and i just now realized that alacrity leaeds into deeper strat

i'm dumb 🫠

[gaunt phoenix]

Embrace the haste

[keen belfry]

Drop deeper strat

[jolly geyser]

drop kir

[magic sage]

is being over 25% haste a bad thing? i genuinely don't know lol, I'm slowly getting back into outlaw

[craggy quiver]

Talent greenskins

[gaunt phoenix]

for the kir build, after 19% it starts to fall off hard

[magic sage]

so i'm cooked basically

[craggy quiver]

U using vers flask?

Also cloak gem

Enchants ect

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesn't make you unplayable, you could just have 4% more vers, you'll fix it when you fix it

[magic sage]

yes im using vers flask and enchants, with the vers fiber

i'll have to see what i can replace

[slate forge]

@gaunt phoenix how does nessas vigor loaded dice HO build compare to the sleight supercharger one?

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be slightly worse but more consistent

probably wont notice a difference

unless you highroll with sleight

[slate forge]

Would you ever drop the snd talent for both?

[gaunt phoenix]

No probably not. you would get 2 buffs with loaded dice only to roll them away

[slate forge]

Does slight not work on the loaded dice roll for 3 buff sorry if stupid question

[gaunt phoenix]

no, sleight increases the chance of rolling a 2 buff or 5 buff

[slate forge]

Ty

[rotund zodiac]

got this bad boy

[daring oxide]

fatebound M+ in keys is good

no cap

[rotund zodiac]

fr?

[daring oxide]

yup

fr

[rotund zodiac]

which dungeon is good

for fatebound

[daring oxide]

all

its good anywhere tbh

[maiden quail]

My only major complaint about FB Outlaw in M+ is the RPM

[lone crow]

what are we dropping for soh @daring oxide

[daring oxide]

i dropped TV to test

but

i think we could drop KS

for SOH and keep TV

gonna try a key without KS