outlaw

[stiff vector]

it is truly baffling how wildly terrible they have been with their tuning of outlaw, on top of horrendously, egregiously bad design decisions. Like you can pull a random guy off the street, give him a few hours to research the spec, and I think theyd do a better job.

[torpid fiber]

Ehhh

[proven ocean]

it is truly baffling how wildly terrible they have been with their tuning of outlaw, on top of horrendously, egregiously bad design decisions. Like you can pull a random guy off the street, give him a few hours to research the spec, and I think theyd do a better job.

[viscid perch]

Hope realz not reading this

Or we might eat a nerf

[craggy kelp]

All dev time went into devourer

[random geyser]

I know its one of the harder specs, flat profile, and low sims but fuck those guys

[torpid fiber]

I think the random guy would be like "can I see my family now?" and "can I have something to eat please?"

[tropic zephyr]

depends where they end up first, if they go to reddit or wow forums they will probably think we need to have crackshot and vanish removed

[fathom holly]

hear me out give us back the giga range on old acro strikes

[glass mortar]

i mean its not hard man just dont hit the one thing we have always leaned on and enjoyed

which is not sacrificing our entire ST profile to do cleave

that was like

a core part of outlaw for years

[craggy kelp]

Well personally I think crackshot should be activated by something new/other than vanish but icba

[torpid fiber]

Yeah that's literally the whole point of blade flurry

[proven ocean]

realz' sfault was buffing PC

or not moving it somewhere else

[glass mortar]

like blade flurry was such good design you decided to give it to every other rogue spec and several other specs in the game as well

then you take away the most valuable part of it which is the prio damage and low tradeoff

from us

[stiff vector]

and dont completely nuke the prio dmg of the spec that is designed to cleave off a main target for no reason at all...like it isnt rocket science, its not hard to avoid designing shit in a way that does that

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, I remember in DF S1 we were doing absolute dogshit aoe damage but our ST was good and we had good prio. So I still felt useful bringing down the big HP guys down. right now I know when going into a key that I bring absolutely nothing to the table

[random geyser]

Hey guys we made a raid with lots of damage amps

[tropic zephyr]

kinda same fot TWW S1

[still dew]

Hey all, quick trinket question from a casual outlaw alt. I don't see a lot of love for the Perfidious Projector trinket, but I've tried a handful of combos, and it's doing easily 2x any of the other damage proc trinkets. Like 6-8% of my damage in a key. Am I missing something?

[glass mortar]

i remember in DF when the difference in ST dps between our m+ and st build was 4%

oh how the mighty fall

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah it doesnt have agility on it

[sullen walrus]

fatebound or trickster kir with 4pc set?

[glass mortar]

depends what ur doing

aoe or st

[gaunt phoenix]

Fatebound is used for most of the raid

[sullen walrus]

aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster in keys

[tropic zephyr]

our whole aoe was boon

we were a cd spec fr

[stiff vector]

I think I might try out a cooked fatebound 1fth build for streets

without killing spree

[gaunt phoenix]

i've thought about just using full on 2FTH GS

[copper radish]

They should bring back mythic keystones for timewalk. I miss my vault spams

And court of stars spams 😂

[torpid fiber]

I have a netherprism rn as one of my best trinkets and it's a huge ego boost to have because I just press it whenever someone else in the shitter pug 6 presses their cds so I never lose a pull

[flat needle]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[flat needle]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[fathom holly]

are you guys switching weapons in m+? i dont feel like it but cudgel does so much damage

[tropic zephyr]

cudgel broken no cappy

[mossy shell]

But why

[glass mortar]

yes

[tropic zephyr]

5 boss with most of them without adds or add dying quickly

[jolly geyser]

cappy

[mossy shell]

Three of the five bosses have cleave or trash on them

Ideally

Four bosses even, if you count the first phase of the music one

[tropic zephyr]

lol that don't count

[vivid vessel]

Fb is better at very low target count I think

[honest yarrow]

So I think I realize where I’ve been fucking myself rotationally:

waiting for the WA to tell me when to KiR which is when I manage to get all 5 buffs and I hear the sound 🫣

[vivid vessel]

2 targets

[honest yarrow]

So I’ve probably been missing out on massive roll uptime lmao

[vivid vessel]

And equal at 3 I think

[mossy shell]

I guess you could play more prio but idk you’re going to hit like a noodle on trash that way

[torpid fiber]

I realised tonight I need to track bte buff

[gaunt phoenix]

"need"

it's about as minimal as it gets

i dont track it

i just bte

[torpid fiber]

Oh can i just bte on cd as trickster for no damage loss

[gaunt phoenix]

Trickster already slams bte

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/espresso-sabrina-carpenter-sabrina-champagne-carpenter-gif-6692144227059138447

[torpid fiber]

that makes life easy

[gaunt phoenix]

it was fatebound that prefered dispatch slightly

for coins

[tropic zephyr]

is there some route sim of streets FB vs trickster?

[torpid fiber]

Awesome, I don't have to do it anymore

Might have to set it up for fatebound

[gaunt phoenix]

one "problem" with droute is it won't repeatedly spawn mobs on dragon boss etc

it's still just static pulls

[tropic zephyr]

but for streets

[sudden fulcrum]

You’re not usually hitting dragon mobs though right?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's just an example

[honest yarrow]

Is it only fatebound where you’re supposed to vanish into GS? What if GS comes up and you have no vanish charges?

[stiff vector]

just for fun I know its prob gonna be shit

[sudden fulcrum]

At least not as melee

[gaunt phoenix]

big momma is another one

[sudden fulcrum]

That one makes sense

[mossy shell]

Don’t do it

[vivid vessel]

There will also not be damage amps and stufdt

[mossy shell]

Fatebound is yucky we hate it

[gaunt phoenix]

If you dont have vanish then you send gs

[vivid vessel]

Yo nessa

[mossy shell]

Hi

[vivid vessel]

Thanks to you

[mossy shell]

Hi awang

[vivid vessel]

I discovered the op kick macro

[keen belfry]

hey nessa

[vivid vessel]

That let me kick any target

[mossy shell]

Hell yea what is it

[vivid vessel]

Without doing anything

[stiff vector]

both fb and trickster are shit, just different flavors of it

[gaunt phoenix]

/cast kick

[tropic zephyr]

op op

[keen belfry]

why kick cat?

[vivid vessel]

It does tab target kick and back to your target automatically

So it's mega op

Never seen something that op in my life

[mossy shell]

Dm it to me omg

[tropic zephyr]

wqi

[vivid vessel]

No

[stiff vector]

[tropic zephyr]

wait

[torpid fiber]

wtf

[tropic zephyr]

share wtf

[mossy shell]

Whyyyy

[keen belfry]

zac is so bad at kicking

[vivid vessel]

Legit secret sauce

[tropic zephyr]

wtf!!!!!

[mossy shell]

It’s my secret sauce though you stole my recipe!

[torpid fiber]

That's actually probably enough info to replicate it

[tropic zephyr]

i wanna tab kick too

[cinder haven]

I used such a macro on dk

[frank finch]

wait what is it?

[vivid vessel]

That thing is going to make me so much better at keys lololol

[stiff vector]

wow zac youre stealing nessa's tech, and then refusing to share it

[vivid vessel]

It's so over for you guys

In keeping the sauce

[mossy shell]

Idfc I can tab kick tab tab tab tab tab in half a global I’m fucking PRECISE

I. DONT NEED UR MACRO

[cinder haven]

But idk if i like it on melee range kick

[vivid vessel]

[copper radish]

Bros using a program for his macro report him

[vivid vessel]

I mean I'm ngl

[frank finch]

zac gate keeping again

[vivid vessel]

This thing is fixing my hate I had for nameplates

It's so op

I don't use my mouse anymore

[stiff vector]

same I hate nameplates

[vivid vessel]

Legit 2 hand keyboard gamer

[copper radish]

Wait does it auto target kick someone that’s casting lol

[cinder haven]

I can sell you this macro, dm me

[vivid vessel]

Ye haha

[mossy shell]

Everyone is bad at tabbing tbh but it’s seriously good

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-aware-twitch-forsen-emote-gif-25354609

[copper radish]

Nah you gotta link that that shit sounds OP

[vivid vessel]

[torpid fiber]

I assume it's like

/targetenemy
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Somehow like that

[tropic zephyr]

does it involve

some wa

[frank finch]

somhow or is it

[copper radish]

Or addon

[vivid vessel]

Legit the most broken shit ever

Nah dude

[cinder haven]

No wa needed

[vivid vessel]

It's just a baseline macro

[torpid fiber]

Not actually secret tech I just pulled up the wiki page for macro commands

[digital linden]

gatekeeping deluxe

[tropic zephyr]

how do you know that the guy targetted is casting?

[cinder haven]

You’ll wiff some kicks tho

[copper radish]

Ohhhh does it use that option where u can mouse over click shit like the PVP flags

[vivid vessel]

I don't know anyone using that

[mossy shell]

Be careful though Zac there are complexities

[torpid fiber]

Default tab target behaviour

[vivid vessel]

Everyone I know either focus kick or tab target

[vivid vessel]

Haven't failed me once yet

[mossy shell]

When I tab kick I have a split second to confirm my target

[copper radish]

Bros just using a mouse over macro lol

[torpid fiber]

Yeah bc ppl don't know how macros work

[tropic zephyr]

I think tab by default switch to a target casting, but it's not 100%

[keen belfry]

u guys are cooked

[vivid vessel]

It's legit 100% no cap

[mossy shell]

If you mess up the tab position you lose. Or if you had that target targeted within 10 seconds.

[frank finch]

your telling me this thing auto targets something casting kicks then goes back to the target u have b4

[vivid vessel]

Just face the plate

[frank finch]

that sounds like cope

[cinder haven]

You wanna face the thing you wanna interrupt, then it almost always works

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[keen belfry]

IF YOUR NON FOCUS TARGET KICK GOESS OFF ITS NOT YOUR FAULT!

LET THEM DIE

[stiff vector]

You can "aim" where your tab target goes to

[torpid fiber]

Also tab target prios casters no?

[keen belfry]

it does

[frank finch]

wtf

[cinder haven]

But it prioritises targets that are casting somehow

[mossy shell]

I just can’t believe Zac is stealing tech from me and intended to gatekeep it

[tropic zephyr]

wait deos this involve the gameplay option that focus prio the mobs in front of you?

[mossy shell]

Th truth always comes out

[vivid vessel]

[cinder haven]

Not just casters, but casters that are casting

[vivid vessel]

Nah bro

[frank finch]

im going into a delve to test this

[vivid vessel]

It's just how tab targeting works

[mossy shell]

It’s just tab target rules

[tropic zephyr]

share

[vivid vessel]

It's op bro

[mossy shell]

Do people not know the tab target rules

It’s been in the game for 20 years

[torpid fiber]

This feels like some tech that would be in the comments of an r/wownoob post where the commenter is giving bad advice about how to make M+ easier

[cinder haven]

Probably not

[tropic zephyr]

share it

[vivid vessel]

These noobs

[mossy shell]

And I swear I’m the only one who ever tab targeted or something

[tropic zephyr]

i need it

[vivid vessel]

Imagine not knowing the tab target prio rules

I can't

[mossy shell]

Friggin zoomers and their gamer mouses

[vivid vessel]

Bro don't know the tab target apl

[mossy shell]

Weak wrists

[torpid fiber]

I have tab target bound to m3 i just don't just it much anymore

[ocean swift]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[tropic zephyr]

bro rn the best I can do focus problematic casters and I have like 4 extra bind for focus kick and stuns

i'm omega cooked

[frank finch]

if this is real its a +500 io at min

[tropic zephyr]

i need this

[vivid vessel]

/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast [harm] kick
/targetlasttarget```

[cinder haven]

I have nameplates that color the castbar differently if I’m out of range for kick

[vivid vessel]

This is the one I made

[tropic zephyr]

ok easy title this season gg

[torpid fiber]

Oh the clear is insane tech

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[torpid fiber]

That's braingenius

[vivid vessel]

Of course cuh

[tropic zephyr]

[vivid vessel]

I'm evolving into not using my mouse

It's legit so op

[mossy shell]

Just press tab manually you goobers

[split ingot]

what about during subterfuge? BTE still ahs higher prio right?

[vivid vessel]

Ye that's for people that want to lose time

[mild vigil]

so does this macro just kick something that's targetting you?

[vivid vessel]

I don't have time to lose time nessa

[mossy shell]

If you don’t everyone will say you’re a genius and accuse me of copying you 🙁 you know it’ll happen

[cinder haven]

Macro is much better ye

[copper radish]

Or u know just use a mouse over macro

[vivid vessel]

[frank finch]

wait a min this is how nessa only uses keyboard

[random stirrup]

why did u copy zac

[vivid vessel]

Mouseover kick is the most unreliable thing ever

[vivid vessel]

Ye she just tab target

[trim harbor]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[mossy shell]

I don’t use macros because I’m stupid

[copper radish]

When u pvp all day mouse over macros aent nothing lol

[zealous plinth]

You serious this works?^^

[mossy shell]

Too much for my shriveled raisin brain

[vivid vessel]

Ye cuh

Alright guys stop sharing the secret sauce now

[torpid fiber]

It's not going to always work perfectly there are issues

[mossy shell]

Zac duel me outside stormwind

[vivid vessel]

Keep it under wrap

[cinder haven]

Minor issues

[vivid vessel]

I'm walking to my train rn

[digital linden]

@gaunt phoenix make a pin

[vivid vessel]

Will miss

[mossy shell]

Lame.

[torpid fiber]

But it's going to be a lot better than average pug kicks

[digital linden]

the secret sauce will be world renowned bro

[vivid vessel]

Idk I just use a mix of both now

Target kick

Mouseover kicks

Focus kickjs

And this op shit

I'm unbeatable now

What you trinna kick bud

I already kicked it

Also you can do that for kidney cheap shot and shit

I have it on all my buttons

[quick grove]

Anyone got a link for the HO Sleight build please?

[digital linden]

does that macro act weird if the enemy u are targetting is the one casting

[vivid vessel]

Idk I also have a macro to kick my target

I wouldn't know

[frank finch]

omg this shit works

[mossy shell]

Literally just make it up, you don’t need a build

[frank finch]

HOLY

SHMOLY

[jolly geyser]

cheers for macro zac,works a treat in a delve atleast,had to test

[torpid fiber]

I need more kick binds

[vivid vessel]

[fluid meadow]

isn't this just better to bind simple?

[vivid vessel]

Maybe

That's shift tab

I think

[frank finch]

is there one to auto kideny a caster?

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[quick grove]

Sorry is it Fatebound or Trickster?

[frank finch]

😮

[vivid vessel]

Replace kick by kidney noob

[frank finch]

WTF

im goign to gain 1k io

[vivid vessel]

[mossy shell]

Mouseover was always inferior to tabbing for kicks but people are elitist about it because the tab priority takes practice to understand

[mossy shell]

Play whichever one appeals to your sense of fantasy

[tropic zephyr]

zac stealing kicks confirmed

there's no kick parses cuh

[torpid fiber]

Mouseover is way easier for me to pre-position while still on my priority target

[random stirrup]

I’m assuming this takes a bit of practice when you’re in a pack with multiple casters of different priority

[vivid vessel]

I have always hated mouseover kicks

[mossy shell]

Zac publishes bad builds to troll other outlaws and keep them suppressed

[random stirrup]

To face them properly

[vivid vessel]

I do 99% of my kicks with focus macros

[mossy shell]

Don’t listen to anything on this discord

[digital linden]

no way that same macro if added on a kidney will work on demolitionist in flood

[mossy shell]

It’s all fake

[glass mortar]

wait so i wasnt tinfoil hatting when it felt like just using tab to try to find my kick target nearly always targeted it insta anyway

[vivid vessel]

[torpid fiber]

I like mouseover kicks bc I'm a pisslow pug player

[random stirrup]

I use a triple priority macro with mouseover > focus > target but it’s so cursed

[mossy shell]

Tab has prioritized casting, kickable mobs for like, 5-10 years

[random stirrup]

Mouseover is so bad

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i knew it worked a lot of the time but sometimes not, i didn't know what made it not be 100%

[mossy shell]

Mouseover is bad

[glass mortar]

ah i didnt know it was actually coded

ive just been

doing that

thought i was getting lucky

[dawn talon]

i like mouseover as a backup but

[torpid fiber]

I knew tab had this behaviour I just hate target switching like that

[dawn talon]

focus is soooo much better

[vivid vessel]

I have a macro that does my target if right click is down, otherwise it's a mouseover, then I have a focus kick that will auto kick if nothing is focused

[tropic zephyr]

focus is only good when there's like one problematic cast that needs attention

[dawn talon]

i think the game should really encourage you to use focus macros for kicks and stuff, would make a lot of people less overwhelmed

[tropic zephyr]

if there's 5 casters what will your focus do

[vivid vessel]

I'm thinking of also making my main kick to auto kick if nothing is targeted

So I can esc

Press kick

[dawn talon]

but if everyone focuses a caster...

[vivid vessel]

And it will go back to my target

Which is op I think

[stiff vector]

you can also use
#showtooltip Kick
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Kick
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast Kick
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack

which will kick your focus target if you have one, otherwise it will function like the normal macro

[vivid vessel]

And then I don't lose my focus target

[cinder haven]

Hey that’s my macro

[vivid vessel]

Guys stop sharing the secret sauce

Keep it contained

[stiff vector]

[mossy shell]

Change the subject

[frank finch]

holy shmoly

[mossy shell]

Plz

This is forbidden tech

[cinder haven]

No stealy

[mossy shell]

Only for no-mousers

You filthy mouse users are not allowed

[tropic zephyr]

⁉️

[vivid vessel]

[mossy shell]

Bring back killing spree

[frank finch]

ok well

[mossy shell]

I miss killing spree

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel WA to check cloak stats based on spec

[frank finch]

i ran into a problem

[mossy shell]

I was doing big mama last night and like

[keen belfry]

idk how to make a cloak check

[mossy shell]

Fuck I miss the real thing

[frank finch]

none iof these will kick if theres only 1 target

[mossy shell]

Blinking around with the cast on you ughhhh

[keen belfry]

i died on momma so many times last season

[mossy shell]

Skill issue

[keen belfry]

yes

[mossy shell]

Nothing wrong with the ability

It was perfect

[vivid vessel]

Probably already a thing on wago

[keen belfry]

idc

[vivid vessel]

No point thinking about it

[mossy shell]

Zac make them bring it back

Please

[vivid vessel]

Old ks was shit

New ks is shit

Ks rework waiting room

[dawn talon]

playing mage and then coming back to outlaw feels so ass

[keen belfry]

https://wago.io/TMAKEy086

[mossy shell]

Your attitude is shit 😠

[vivid vessel]

Real

[keen belfry]

should i play my mage again this tier container

[mossy shell]

FREE THE SPREE

[keen belfry]

i kinda wnana gear it again

[dawn talon]

im reinventing spellslinger

[keen belfry]

ok stfu

[dawn talon]

🔛🔝🔜

i swear spellslinger is rly fun when you don't use a barrage weakaura

and just come up with barrage conditions as you feel like it

[mossy shell]

No

[vivid vessel]

Also idk if you have that @mossy shell but I made a macro that is just a bunch of /target xmob

And it allows me to have one main target per area

Like in gambit I have the giant

[mossy shell]

That’s clever, I don’t have the energy for that

[vivid vessel]

In flood I have the artitecht

[dawn talon]

i tried rly rly hard to make skb playable for sf fire but it's just so dogshit

[vivid vessel]

In HOA the shard

[alpine bough]

do you guy play outlaw on st boss too in mythic raid ? even if i do 0 error and 90+ parse i feel so bad in st i am always in last dps

[vivid vessel]

Etc

Very op as well

[mossy shell]

Wait shit that’s genius

[vivid vessel]

But ye you can't have multiple diff mobs that are in the same area

[keen belfry]

i need an alt

[dawn talon]

@keen belfry i wrote a whole bunch of optimisations into a custom apl and thought i was cooking and it was still 6% behind at 5t LMFAO

[mossy shell]

Zac will you dm me that one at least so I don’t have to type it and think of every prio target ever

[dawn talon]

just put the UI fs in the bag

[keen belfry]

yeah u shuld trust the apl mage guys

[vivid vessel]

Like in flood if you want to have architect and the big guy on first pull for example, it will always target the first one in the macro even if the guy is dead or out of screen

[keen belfry]

forgy nerd

but goated

[dawn talon]

i usually just play whjatever forgy is playing

but he's not playing fire

[vivid vessel]

No!!

Wtf

[dawn talon]

so i had to do it myself

[stiff vector]

ye Idk what I want to gear as an alt either, was gonna gear my shaman to play ele but cbf with playing giga squishy spec again its too annoying

[vivid vessel]

Stop stealing my shit

That's crazy !

[digital linden]

zac how many macros are u using bbruh

[vivid vessel]

A lot

[mossy shell]

So you do hate me 🙁

[vivid vessel]

Macros are op

[mossy shell]

I’m crying rn

[vivid vessel]

Gg

[dawn talon]

im playin arcane and feral rn

[vivid vessel]

I bet you guys don't even have a @ focus bte

Casuals smh my head

[stiff vector]

Ive never rly played mage or druid on retail

[mossy shell]

Sometimes when targets are far away I tab bte tab builder over and over and over and my tab finger starts hurting

[dawn talon]

mage is fun bc you are legit invulnerable

and ranged

[vivid vessel]

Just mouseover or @ focus bte cuh

[stiff vector]

ye but I do enough mage hating that I cant be seen as a fraud by playing one

[digital linden]

is the focus bte the move on loomi chat

[mossy shell]

Because my tab finger is also my move forward finger and my strafe finger and my cloak of shadows finger and my sinister strike finger

[vivid vessel]

Ye and soul hunter

[mossy shell]

But it’s ok cause I can also do all that with my right pinky

[vivid vessel]

You guys won't ever beat me on soul hunter till you have a focus bte

I can guarantee that

Get to work

[dawn talon]

focus is 100x better than mouseover on soulhunters

[mossy shell]

That’s clever I didn’t know they were in range

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[stiff vector]

you just swap your focus around during soul hunters or you keep it on one guy?

[mossy shell]

I don’t have the patience to set this shit up though I’d rather get a blue parse than spend 10 minutes prepping

[glass mortar]

i found that out when we killed the intermission target too fast on normal clear and the two bozos sat in the sky rping for another 10 seconds while all our ranged went to town

[vivid vessel]

It's mostly on the guy that does the hunt

Cause he goes away often and I just Perma bte him if he isn't in melee

And I also try to line up my vanishes for when he isn't in melee

[stiff vector]

[vivid vessel]

I only change it once when its the intermission when that guy is middle

[stiff vector]

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[mossy shell]

Imagine if we had old killing spree, we could go into the sky with them

But no

No

Blizzard hates everything good

[vivid vessel]

[stiff vector]

true imagine we still had step too

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw would be unplayable on half the fights with ks

[vivid vessel]

Kekw

[keen belfry]

gg

[mossy shell]

Only if you’re bad

[keen belfry]

nessa is old ks ragebaiter

[vivid vessel]

Real

[stiff vector]

old KS on dimmy sounds like real fun

[mossy shell]

They would have trolled us tbh and made the KS location ridiculous

Like dead center or something

[mossy shell]

You are just like blizzard.

[gaunt phoenix]

Old ks on dimmy

[mossy shell]

Stop calling him dimmy

[gaunt phoenix]

no !

[vivid vessel]

Ks spot on dimmy P1 is in the center on top of tank

And on last phase I have no idea I never tried

I also have never seen exile step boss on P3 either

So I think it might be a cursed spot

[slate forge]

Don’t you just die?

[vivid vessel]

Idk

[digital linden]

ye its 100% cursed

[vivid vessel]

Wouldn't be surprised

[stiff vector]

its actually kind of wild that they actually made a hero tree and launched the xpac with it revolving entirely around KS when KS wasnt even in a remotely playable state until s2(and even then, it was only semi playable)

[glass mortar]

survival hunters harpoon location on fract is inside his hitbox and hes inside a lil hole in the ground

[vivid vessel]

Old ks on Nexus king would go crazy

[glass mortar]

week 1 our survival got stuck in it

and it took him like 20s to find out how to jump out

[slate forge]

Trickster rework to revolve around blade rush they don’t buff blade rush at all

[mossy shell]

I really hate positioning to try and force KS onto my prio target

It actually enrages me

[glass mortar]

yea new kspree is shit

we tried

whole thread of feedback ignored

[mossy shell]

They should triple KS damage and I’ll calm down.

[glass mortar]

archive it and repost in 12.0

since the feedback is all gunna be the same

[glass mortar]

just another 20% bro, one more week of buffing kspree and theyll like it

[slate forge]

They asked for feedback then ignored it lol only msg in here

[glass mortar]

maybe theyll even stop cancelling it

[stiff vector]

blizzard was like "oh we heard how much you loved the design of fatebound gutting your prio dmg, so were gonna make sure Trickster+KS gets some love too" except they went too far with it and now FB just gets double fucked with negative prio

[mossy shell]

Idk what you sim people say the rules are but I just cancel/finish KS based on the feels of my next global. Like do I have a nice global coming up next. Do I want CDR. Am I done stretching my fingies before the cast ends.

[glass mortar]

new kspree is so amazing they wanted everyone to play it

so they buffed it enough that even fatebound would

jk they had to buff it that much to make up for how much it got nuked initially

fatebound caught in the crossfire

[flat needle]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[slate forge]

The wouldn’t have had to buff it if they used two brain cells and made it channel 2x faster lmao

[dawn talon]

it has a like 50% chance of just killing you

[mossy shell]

See that sounds fucking fun

[glass mortar]

afaik currently its neutral to cancel it at max CP as trickster and fatebound only wants to cancel it if its CP AND energy capped

or something like that

i just do it based on the feel of whats coming up next and what i have goin on tho ye

outlaw is all about tiny feelcraft minmaxes that are easily worth 0.0005% dps gains

thats a 5% dps gain in my heart

[stiff vector]

It is genuinely hard for me to imagine that real devs that actually get paid to work on WoW for years, seriously developed new KS and Fatebound(well, both hero trees to be fair) and didnt think of how blatantly horrible the design was within 30 seconds of thinking about it

[mossy shell]

It’s not actually neutral though there is always something going on you can reason around

[pallid wraith]

I got an outlaw mainhand and started hitting a PvP dummy on accident yesterday 🤣

was losing my mind doing 2 mill dps for longer than i’d like to admit

[mossy shell]

True

[glass mortar]

not really because the circumstances of where you will be in 3s is more impactful on if ud have wanted to cancel it then the immediate gcd after imo

but whats happening in 3s is just rng cause its law so

u gotta take the law of averages

if i have a 5 buff tho? thats always an insta cancel angle once i hit 7 cp

[keen belfry]

law of averages by vince staples

[glass mortar]

etc etc

[stiff vector]

law of outlaws by Tom Pelvis

[mossy shell]

5 buffs? When tf are you getting 5 buffs

Pretty sure they removed that

It’s all 1 buff now

[glass mortar]

kir still gets it decently often but yea

[mossy shell]

Are you bug abusing

[cinder haven]

New build with soh and ld

[slate forge]

If you don’t have broadside and have gm let it finish I think

[vivid vessel]

It's a loss to cancel it

Bout .4

But I still cancel it

[glass mortar]

for trickster now?

[proper veldt]

for 1 fth

[glass mortar]

oh

for 1 fth

of course its for 1fth

[vivid vessel]

Cause I get cancer every second it continues channeling when I'm at max co

Cp

[glass mortar]

why wouldnt 1fth do everything in its power to make us as miserable as possible

[wraith mantle]

Is there any list somewhere that tells you which abilities can/should be Vanished / Night Elf'ed in the current season?

It's very random but I wonder if that exists

[gaunt phoenix]

i figure there is a more granular rule that sim wont catch

[vivid vessel]

Rather we need a list of things you shouldn't ever vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

For ks

[glass mortar]

i bet its good to cancel it on 5 buff tho

[vivid vessel]

Cause you can't vanish anything

[glass mortar]

RtB buffs barely impact kspree damage

but they impact everything else u do alot

[cinder haven]

Something something energy?

[stiff vector]

ngl sometimes I just cancel KS because Im like why in the fuck is there a god damn cast bar on my screen as an outlaw rogue and I yeet that shit outta here

[proper veldt]

you already tried no?

[vivid vessel]

Frfr

[mossy shell]

What are you talking about

[cinder haven]

Yeah it was close but slightly behind never cancelling

But I didn’t test that much tbh

[vivid vessel]

Ok you can vanish lightspawns

That's literally all you can vanihs no cap

[mossy shell]

You need to get your priorities straight

[glass mortar]

vanish dn

[mossy shell]

Vanish every cast on you

Period

[vivid vessel]

Ye sure

[mossy shell]

It’s tech

[vivid vessel]

It just recast or break a boss tho

[mossy shell]

I especially like the ones people complain about on bosses

[glass mortar]

vanish every cast on u to make it as likely as possible people get back to back bolted or multibolted to death 😠

[vivid vessel]

Me when I vanish hoa third boss

[glass mortar]

if they didnt wanna die they shulda used a stop

or vanished

[vivid vessel]

And it's just a gg insta deplete

[wraith mantle]

Yeah, that can legit kill a player if you're playing with a disco lol

[mossy shell]

Play with a warrior and say you are feeding reflects

Which you actually are that’s not a troll

[random stirrup]

me vanishing on grimba 3rd boss

[frail veldt]

I kinda like that I can use KS to recover my energy

in ST as 1pt FTH it can be nice to leave the full channel for that

[mossy shell]

I miss the killing spree we had in WoD

Those were the days

[glass mortar]

i mean getting to kspree when ur getting bin rng on 1 fth is like a breath of fresh air

[mossy shell]

Unkillable unstunnable and incredibly sexy

[glass mortar]

but thats because u are currently undergoing the worst gameplay experience in modern wow (1fth with no procs)

🤮

[dawn talon]

wrath naxx fire mage

[mossy shell]

You do it to yourself by playing a lame build

[dawn talon]

would like a word with you

[glass mortar]

i said MODERN wow

[dawn talon]

oh you did say moderrn wow

okay well

df s2 enhance

[agile quiver]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[dawn talon]

was pretty ass too

[glass mortar]

1 fth no proc gameplay is very similar to that era of classes in general tho so

we love a good 1 SS every 3 seconds, 1 finisher every 8s gameplay

[frail veldt]

yeah exactly

the only way 1fth doesnt do piss damage on bosses is if you can roll into it from a pack with a ton of buffs up

[glass mortar]

i natty rolled a 5 buff on a boss in priory yesterday

[stiff vector]

I love spamming SS 6 times in a row while energy starved with ADR up

so fun

[glass mortar]

felt crazy like this hasnt happened since i dropped my set

[stiff vector]

reminds me of my old favorite, classic wow

[glass mortar]

i popped off (i did a tiny bit more dps then the other two pugs on the boss)

if i hadnt rolled that 5 buff natty tho

[viral bison]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[rotund haven]

The amount of times this is me this season…

[gaunt phoenix]

i love when you open on a boss without lust

and if you get unlucky with FF for 3 seconds

[glass mortar]

you hit downtime immediatly yea

unlucky with FF

[gaunt phoenix]

you are running on negative energy immediately

[glass mortar]

me when my spec that is only supposed to run out of energy if i make mistakes for some reason still has rng energy generation

[gaunt phoenix]

until the first ks

[frail veldt]

its so bad haha

[drowsy ridge]

I love being forced off of a boss/target once and having my rhythm disrupted for the rest of the fight

[frail veldt]

the combination of not proccing SS and not proccing fatal flourish is just awful

[drowsy ridge]

At least Combo Points are on us nowdays, that's something at least

[violet ferry]

I love when rogue

[keen belfry]

iwish more ppl played law

all these complaints are so valid

but we sound so whiny

[drowsy ridge]

I think we sound critical. It'd be more whiny sounding if we were topping the charts/were more popular

[frail veldt]

I LOVE when my friends try outlaw

then they start sounding like me

"dude wtf broke me out of stealth"

"OMG MORE RP!?"

[hasty warren]

Is using gilded crest for myth hand is good or I should wait for a better piece to upgrade ?

[glass mortar]

rng is part of the game

law just has too many rng facets to its gameplay tho

and i dont necessarily mean the amount of procs

i mean the impact on how the procs feel to the specsa flow

[gaunt phoenix]

Upgrading mythic hands is fine

[glass mortar]

the spec has zero if u dont get some minimal level of procs

completely falls apart

[hasty warren]

fine mean good but not optimal ?

[drowsy ridge]

I wish we leaned into the flavor of cheating more, to make the RNG less... RNG

[glass mortar]

thats what i thought fatebound would be

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean it's probably very slightly worse than mythic chest/helm

[glass mortar]

[bronze wadi]

are flawless form stacks something you try to play around or do you just coup twice and play like normal

[hasty warren]

ye but this week i'll not drop it

so idk if I keep crest or can use it for hands

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont track ff

[bronze wadi]

word

[gaunt phoenix]

You try to vanish after double coup but you dont necessarily need to track ff to do that

[buoyant cosmos]

The lows can be so low

[glass mortar]

lowest lows in the game no kap and ive never been convinced otherwise

no spec transforms into such garbage if u get the bottom rung rng

its just law

[buoyant cosmos]

But the highs

[bronze wadi]

what about vanish vs KS after double coup, just always vanish?

[buoyant cosmos]

We chase those

[glass mortar]

u can have good highs without having lows this low thats all im saying

[gaunt phoenix]

ks has priority over vanish

[buoyant cosmos]

I /love/pressing SS four times in subt windows

[buoyant cosmos]

For sure

[glass mortar]

there should never be a point in the gameplay where outlaw moves as slowly as classic wow combat due to pure rng

even a 2% chance of that is too high

[bronze wadi]

and then not having aenough energy to press BTE in the last gcd window \

[chilly dagger]

Sometimes I'll get like 5 bte resets in a row with good rolls up. Glance over at the meter and the class with scripted cds is doing just the same damage as my best scenario

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR in general feels like it's held together by the "average" of rolling well and chaining buffs

[glass mortar]

yea kir has always felt highly momentum based

its why recovering from a death or forced failure is so awful

you extend big buffs to get more buffs to keep more buffs to get more buffs

[solemn pebble]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[bronze wadi]

when i die immedietlety after pressing KIR with AR still being on CD i debate just rerolling Destro lock for brain off gameplay

[gaunt phoenix]

it is one thing i did like about the old HO

each pull in keys is independent of the previous one

[glass mortar]

Mhm

[tropic zephyr]

I've convinced absolutely zero (0) people to play

[frail veldt]

I've gotten 3 lol

none of them stayed

[tropic zephyr]

One tried in DF S3 when we were omega broken

He went sin in like 3 days

[jolly geyser]

healer yday said in runs killing spree looks funny,and we move like hyper bunnies

[frail veldt]

very true

[dawn talon]

i got one to try at the end of last season

they played it for 20 minutes and said "you had to do this for 6 months?"

ks truly was torture

[jolly geyser]

someone asked, I said go sub

[elder phoenix]

the original KS wasn't that bad. to me anyway. it was fun especially with BF on

[jolly geyser]

it was shit these days,so much shit to avoid

[elder phoenix]

doing that on um heroic 25 man DS i forgot that dragons name

[frail veldt]

oh yeah the KS era was the worst

looking back that might be the least fun version of any spec ive ever played

[elder phoenix]

deathwing last boss with them bloods out BF and KS was fun

[frail veldt]

I know people doom about current KS

[brave fossil]

I love playing my entire cooldown window around boss mechanic timings 🙂

[frail veldt]

but I would never go back

EVER

[light crest]

Hey guys, idk if this is silly. I am using this RTB WA:
https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[jolly geyser]

same

[elder phoenix]

I mean, blizzard gave us an easy way lol why would you wanna suffer but if blizzard didnt it wasnt that bad at all

[light crest]

Now I will roll, and then it will tell me to keep rolling

but after it will tell me to roll again

after i just pressed keep rolling

is that normal?

Doesn't that get rid of the keep rolling effect?

[frail veldt]

doenst sound like it

the roll rules can be found in #outlaw-faq

[brave fossil]

Like it tells you to roll again while it’s still on CD or after it comes back off?

[frail veldt]

And there are good was to track your buffs to help follow the rules

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[light crest]

Let me tell you

just gna test it otu now

Ok so yeas

[gaunt phoenix]

yes. there is a concept of rolling after kir

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[frail veldt]

it sounds like they were saying it tells them to roll on cd over and over after kir

[brave fossil]

With KIR builds you’re going for certain number of buffs / buff combos, so you might need to reroll a few times to get what you need for KIR

[light crest]

so i would open, Adrenaline > RTB carry on the combo and i get the proc to use Keep it rolling then by the time RTB is back up agian from the CD reduction it tells me to roll again

[frail veldt]

which can happen I guess if you get an LD

[gaunt phoenix]

to me it reads like it tells them to roll once after kir, which is expected

[frail veldt]

yeah thats normal

you roll once immediately after KiR

[light crest]

ah ok then

[brave fossil]

Yeah, basically you’re bad @ gambling sorry

Maybe don’t play the lottery this month

[frail veldt]

but if its telling you to roll over and over after KiR there might be something wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure that weakaura will account for this part

[fluid meadow]

stats seems balanced? idk my crit seems low in character tab, but playing crit belt and antenna rn

[gaunt phoenix]

looks good

[frail veldt]

41% vers

[sudden fulcrum]

we don't do stat weights in 2025

[frail veldt]

still better than agi

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe sim crit flask

[light crest]

I haven't played outlaw for some time. Is it still spamming as much BTE as you can?

and basically not stopping?

[gaunt phoenix]

you try to BtE as much as you can in stealth windows, but you still have to build combo points

[light crest]

yeye

[brave fossil]

I’m at 22% crit and 40% vers (w/ vers flask). Sims seem pretty happy at those values with it preferring vers just barely over agi

[light crest]

@gaunt phoenix, Outlaw > Assas for Mythics/pvp?

[gaunt phoenix]

generally yeah

[light crest]

thanks buddy

[brave fossil]

How to uncap my spec?

Where talent

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i read that backwards

[light crest]

oh rip

so Assas > Outlaw for both Mythic + PvP?

[frail veldt]

outlaw is pretty bad in pvp

like very bad

[light crest]

so it's not shadowlands

[frail veldt]

it is current not shadowlands

[light crest]

those days are gone

[frail veldt]

even in shadowlands sub was better

[light crest]

ok and for mythics at least?

[frail veldt]

except for one season

in pvp I mean

but yeah in m+ you can play all 3 rogue specs

assa is prob the best but all 3 are good

so play what you like the most

[light crest]

Aight, thanks buddy. I play both M+ and PvP, so i'll see if my brain can handle switching between the two

i do love BtE spam does smth to my brain

[frail veldt]

well none of the specs play the same in both m+ and pvp

they all play different builds

[light crest]

yeye true

[frail veldt]

also BtE still only does half damage in pvp

they never reverted the nerf

[light crest]

F

[quaint mauve]

tbf outlaw rogue is impossible to kill in pvp

no cap

[vivid vessel]

how do you guys get acuity

i cant get enough

to recraft my ring every day

it cost more than the patron gives really

[frail veldt]

gathering profession

takes like 10 minutes

also maybe dont do that?

thats why the system exists

[vivid vessel]

and its cringe ?

i play 2 specs

[frail veldt]

its intentional

[vivid vessel]

to be cringe ?

i mean coming for the guys that made the conduit energy

i guess

[frail veldt]

to not benefit richer players

[brave fossil]

Have you considered being suboptimal like the rest of us?

[frail veldt]

who can afford to recraft that often

[vivid vessel]

eh

i wanted to upgrade a s2 neck to s3 but i guess i will just craft a new one

cost less energy

good system

[brave fossil]

sMaLl InDiE cOmPaNy

[elder phoenix]

sounds like the system is working as intended lol

[sudden fulcrum]

Easy hack for this is to fill crafting orders for the NPCs

[vivid vessel]

I do that already

[sudden fulcrum]

I got plenty that way

Are you engineering?

[vivid vessel]

if the intention is to fuck over anyone truying to multi spec even more than they already are ye

im engineering

and alch

alch is dead

i cannot do any

engineering i can do it all

[sudden fulcrum]

Learning from the notes or whatever gives you acuity too

[vivid vessel]

oh

[frail veldt]

its to prevent people from feeling forced to min max to absurd degrees I think

[vivid vessel]

min max

like im gonna play a mastery ring as outlaw

[frail veldt]

just use a crit/vers ring on sub

dur

[vivid vessel]

im progging

[frail veldt]

show me how much dps loss it is

[vivid vessel]

no thank you

0.5%

[frail veldt]

0.5?

LOL

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel make an alt and level its proff

[frail veldt]

tell the people parsing under 95 to stop being bad

[glass mortar]

so u have multiple sources of daily

[vivid vessel]

for what

[glass mortar]

otherwise ur screwed bozo

[vivid vessel]

but its char bound no ?

[glass mortar]

u can work order ur ring recraft to it and not submit acuity

u can use ur alts

[random stirrup]

you can send the order to another character and make them pay the blue

[vivid vessel]

ah

ye im not doing that

[glass mortar]

at least u can for some stuff, can u not for recrafts?

[vivid vessel]

lololol

you guys are crazy

[frail veldt]

wow. Casual

imagine

not min maxing

youre progging arent you?

smh my head

[glass mortar]

i mean the system is not designed to allow recrafting stats daily or multiple times a day because they dont want u doing that

so complain to blizz

they r targeting u

[frail veldt]

the system is doing what its supposed to haha

[glass mortar]

this doesnt matter for 99% of people so it wont change

[vivid vessel]

i forgot how that owrked

do i do this one

i think it was this one

[vivid vessel]

ye i get it, the system is meant to fuck over multispeccing

[sudden fulcrum]

Not totally sure but I think it’s that and then disassemble the invention which gives notes

[glass mortar]

sure

[vivid vessel]

if it wasnt obvious enough with weapons

[glass mortar]

multispeccers always get fucked tho

by like every system in the game

y would this be any different

its even worse if u multi spec and those specs are multiple roles so

get bozod by the bozos bozo

[vivid vessel]

i think you lied im not getting any

[sudden fulcrum]

Well not intentionally! I am pretty sure there is a way this works

[gaunt phoenix]

liar ! fraud !

[sudden fulcrum]

Lemme try it

[brave fossil]

“Guys, the green portal goes to the emerald dream” - 144p 2007 video vibes

Also iirc pretty sure the two quests in the crafting room also give acuity. If not then yeah, just do the patron orders

You get 30 per typically

[dawn talon]

playing prot and hpala is so ass so often

[glass mortar]

well i think zacs complaint is he ran out

because this absolute psycho is recrafting his item stats multiple times a week

or even a day i bet

u absolute disaster

just settle for slightly worse stats for both specs like the rest of us

[brave fossil]

Minmaxing a dead spec

Wild

[glass mortar]

me when i actively play all 3 specs on my monk

[fast cloak]

Outlaw players are just a diff breed imo

[craggy quiver]

[sudden fulcrum]

i dunno man it doesn't seem to work now but this is how i got so much acuity

[vivid vessel]

[jolly geyser]

gaming

[vivid vessel]

done it 3 time a day at most

idk

you like

[glass mortar]

3 times a day

[vivid vessel]

if you play multiple specs

[glass mortar]

AT MOST

[vivid vessel]

idk

[glass mortar]

SIR

[vivid vessel]

kinda have to

my guy

how do you multi spec

[brave fossil]

only 3 times a day

[glass mortar]

u pick one spec to have optimal stats for or two specs to have slightly suboptimal stats for

like the rest of the playerbase

it is what it is

[vivid vessel]

no ty

[glass mortar]

what do u want me to say

[vivid vessel]

weran

are you 713 ilvl ?

no

dont talk to me then

[glass mortar]

?

[vivid vessel]

you absolute casual

[glass mortar]

im 720 ilvl

[vivid vessel]

no you aint noob

[glass mortar]

i bet if u simmed between the two stat setups as law the difference would be 0.00000069%

this is a fake complaint

[vivid vessel]

as law?

[glass mortar]

i dont respect it

[vivid vessel]

mastery ?

you are cooked

its like 1 % lost

[glass mortar]

mastery when crit and vers r hyper dr'd and ur playing 1 fth kir?

bozo u played a mastery trinket all last season

[vivid vessel]

ok i sim rn

[glass mortar]

do it

[brave fossil]

I’m running 50% mastery now

#breakthemeta

[glass mortar]

well its not a fake complaint its just so low on the totem pole i dont respect it

blizzard has always hated the multispeccers

if u played a class with more then one role you'd know its even worse

me when my weapon isnt even allowed to have the right primary stats to play the other specs

cant recraft those cuh

[vivid vessel]

haha

owned

you absolute noob

[fluid meadow]

at least we have pvp items with bis stats rn on every slot with 704 ilvl

[glass mortar]

what stats r u even swapping between

link the sim

[vivid vessel]

crit vers to vers mast

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f8vx1sfEn42p8DJWK67Jix

[gaunt phoenix]

712

[vivid vessel]

i can be 712.5

sims neutral

[gaunt phoenix]

is boe belt not better than old belt

[vivid vessel]

i just need to shift some haste around

idk

how do i get boe belt

[gaunt phoenix]

auction house

[vivid vessel]

nah but not in hc level its not

you lose a socket and shit

[glass mortar]

is belt actually good

did i int, i swear i simmed the 704 haste/vers belt no socket i got from week 1 timewalking quest

and it beat the belt

so i just trashed it

[sullen wyvern]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[vivid vessel]

look i can get it to even more weran

let me fix my gear one sec

[sullen wyvern]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[brave fossil]

Belt, sadly, still sims better than most

[vivid vessel]

i mean i have a neck aslo

im not even gonna talk about the neck

this is just the ring

i cba with the neck

its only 704

[quaint mauve]

wait

mastery better than crit????

[vivid vessel]

no lol

[brave fossil]

Yes

Everyone run mastery

Do it now

[quaint mauve]

thank god

[craggy quiver]

Just buy the boe with a socket they like 70k

[jolly geyser]

go mastery and go sub

[frail veldt]

it would be a good thing if it was

then we could multispec easier

[quaint mauve]

why would we multi spec

heh

[frail veldt]

cuz outlaw sucks in raid

well prog specifically

[quaint mauve]

yeah all my first kills sucked

[ashen vortex]

hey guys, How do you play with the nightfall Curseblade ?
you keep it equiped on trash and swap on boss? or you swap midfight against trash ?

[frail veldt]

the former

[gaunt phoenix]

swap for boss

[sullen wyvern]

Dimensius has been the only boss so far that has made me go: I wanna go sub for this

learn sub for that fight just so I dont have to suffer it as outlaw

[acoustic epoch]

so much disruption and just feelsbad

[elder phoenix]

isnt sub outperforming outlaw anyway?

[sullen wyvern]

Nexus king is kinda annoying too but dimmy is just terrible

[glass mortar]

i almost crashed out on dimi on tuesday farm

[sullen wyvern]

It is but I only play outlaw

[quaint wharf]

im learning sub for dimi

[glass mortar]

i got perfect adr timings going into the first platform

and i cast 10 SS in a row with no procs no FF and dropped adr right out of the gate anyway

and did zero damage the whole platform