outlaw

[tropic zephyr]

and hate trickster

[pure folio]

yeah it’s kinda lame, making our bug a tier set

[rotund zodiac]

If we get season 4, we should vote for S2 set

[jolly geyser]

no s4 afaik

[rotund zodiac]

[pure folio]

I think they’re trying to do away with season fours, I’m not sure if it takes place this xpac or not

[lime lake]

they've confirmed no s4

[rustic lotus]

“Fated” seasons were always ZzzzZZ my guess is they are gunna roll out these “fun new game modes” to bridge that stretch

[vivid vessel]

this season is basically fated tho

its only old dungeons

[rustic lotus]

I get the feeling they fully want ppl to play remix as a way to keep ppl “content satiated” until midnight

[cinder haven]

I’m working a bit on making it viable to drop the versa talent and instead use both ld and soh. If you do that then some of the s2 rules would come back

I’ve managed to get it on par with the versa talent

But kind of hard to motivate it if it’s just on par

Unless you miss the 5 rolls like me

[rustic lotus]

It’s super duper lame for sure and very “easy way out” I do like double coup tho

[vivid vessel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/festive-baby-seals-warm-hats-and-frosty-transmog-new-winter-collectibles-in-378208?utm_source=discord-webhook no swords again ..

[rustic lotus]

Lmao I just saw that pop up

[cedar kernel]

tbh i love the orange one

very outlaw

[rustic lotus]

Winter hats tho

[lofty pike]

Could it be, that our ST is a complete disaster?

[plucky sonnet]

I have moved on from using the cudgel to get any ST increase I can in keys

[tropic zephyr]

Banger

[lofty pike]

I'm Like 8th dps at fractilus with purple logs, Others with blue are infront of me xD

[rustic lotus]

My logs are forever gray 🙂

[pure folio]

I’m not even top on that and I have like a rank 16 parse for him

[lucid sandal]

How much do we lose not having full on Phys comp in m+

[pure folio]

FUCKING MAGES

[pure folio]

Well both monk and war buff are like 5% each

Typically my damage difference is like 800k at least depending on the dungeon

[tropic zephyr]

Lots

[plucky sonnet]

hopefully I can parse hunt later in the season but yeah I have the rank 59 parse which is a 98 and I still got beaten by like 5 other people in my raid

my ST makes me sad 💔

[lucid sandal]

Could we get away with not having a brez

I'm playing with a brew and a priest

So we just invite warrior + lust class and wing it or

[dim ruin]

am I doing something wrong or is it mathematically impossible to keep 100% AR uptime without 4piece tier?

[exotic agate]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid fiber]

You're always going to drop it occasionally but you should be able to fairly consistently chain it
It's easier to chain in dungeons bc of Deft Manoeuvres

[dim ruin]

I'm currently sitting on the target dummy (and tried on both the AoE and ST dummy), and I can't keep it up

there's always moments where I have like 45s cd remaining when it drops

[torpid fiber]

That happens
It happens less the more you play the spec and the better you get, but it happens

[dim ruin]

alright, thanks a lot

it feels super uncomfortable when it happens

but ig 4pc will fix that

[torpid fiber]

yeah it's annoying

You just have to learn to play through it

[pure folio]

You cannot keep AR up 100% of the time. RNG happens

But your uptime should be like 80%+ at least or something

[dim ruin]

I'll try and aim for that, thanks :)

[quick grove]

Anyone have any tips for doing better on Forgeweaver Araz and Fractillus? Can't seem to do solid DPS on them and feel like I must be missing something 🙂

Vague question I know, just curious if there's any tips anyone can give for those bosses for maximising DPS

[inland acorn]

Yeah

Ask your raid to let you pad on adds

[quick grove]

Haha fair enough, will ask 😄

[inland acorn]

fractillus is pure ST fight, so if you have log we can check it

[quick grove]

Sure, here you go
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AcPNVqnrD1jkJGhR?fight=36&type=damage-done

[inland acorn]

Do you not have any other trinket to replace idol ? It's really bad for ST

Idk if it's even worth pressing on ST

[quick grove]

I do, for some reason I had a bug that when I swapped talents it equipped the stupid trinket

Now running Astral Antenna and Sigil of the Cosmic Hunt

[inland acorn]

you're not casting vanish enough

you're holding it for some reason way too much

[fair ginkgo]

Good Morning Gang
Nothing changed to the fact that we can just wear a dagger in offhand right?

[quick grove]

Yeah I think that was tunnel vision on my part

[inland acorn]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[quick grove]

Thanks for the tip 🙂

[inland acorn]

There's new rule to hold vanish for GS

[quick grove]

I'm new to Outlaw entirely this season so it's all a learning curve for me

[inland acorn]

when you play FB

[quick grove]

Aye I've just seen the pin, will give it a whirl

Managed to do okay in all but those bosses

Not done the last 2 bosses yet

Coming from MM hunter so the APM is my biggest thing to get used to

[inland acorn]

looks like you're also holding KS a little too much

KS has highest prio if you're not in stealth/subterfuge

[quick grove]

Ahh okay, thanks!

[inland acorn]

other than that it looks fine, your rtb usage looks fine, your AR too, though i did see couple cases where you used it and you were above 2 cps

If you fix vanish and ks usage you should do a lot better

Also enchant your weapons

rest is up to gear optimization

[quick grove]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/noyzey/

They are enchanted?

Or am I misunderstanding haha

[inland acorn]

You could sim, but authority of radiant power is 99% choice of enchant for weapons

Depths is pure ST, and it's not even that far ahead, compared to radiant power, which will help you in aoe and still do decent job for ST

you also didn't use whetstone on weapons

[quick grove]

Ahh okay, I followed WoWHead blindly on that

For Depths

[daring oxide]

@proven ocean yo you playing sub now in keys?

[vivid vessel]

playing sub when you could just play assa

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9DJKABgwvzGNdQh6?fight=3&type=damage-done

this guy does 12mil overall per key with the most trash gear

no weapon no trinket gg

[young prism]

I suppose I'm doing something terribly wrong for single target.. My sim indicates I should perform arround 5m however I do arround 3.5 3.8m . Is there any tip you can give me? like what most likely I'm doing wrong?

[grim spear]

this guy is really strong, maybe about as strong as you.

[vivid vessel]

its yelluo no ?

i cant read chinese

he the goat

[fluid iron]

tru and real, buff sub

[chrome pollen]

should i still avoid KIR without the 19-20% haste? especially in low keys it feel quite inferior to HO

[vivid vessel]

you were warned buddy

[fluid iron]

im like neo

u cant hit me

[vivid vessel]

no wae

[fluid iron]

if i stand in a group of people

[vivid vessel]

[fluid iron]

can you even be sure its gonna hit me?

[vivid vessel]

ye you need the haste, dont forget the cloak thing + flask

shouldnt be hard to reach

[grim spear]

yes that's him

[long barn]

Can someone explain the UB proc? It’s a debuff right? So when I see the WA for it, that means it’s a guaranteed proc? And I should be using SS?m to consume it?

[vivid vessel]

im an elite sniper bud, i could hit you between the eyes

[vivid vessel]

ye the goat

hopefully i finish prog quick to slam keys

im addicted to playing wow these days

waht a goated game

[chrome pollen]

Its fine still a fresh alt barely got any gear 690 with dogshit amounts of mastery and 11% haste so ill keep to my HO on early dungeons

[random void]

Different guides show differently so which stat after agility is most important? Vers?

[vivid vessel]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[willow portal]

How hard / annoying is assa in dungeon?

[vivid vessel]

easy to pick up and do damage especially this season

hard to master

[willow portal]

Do i have to tab garrote in m+?

[random void]

That’s why I am switching from asa to outlaw 😂

[willow portal]

Idk i started with outlaw this season and my parses annoy me alot

Also the punishing loss from any downtime

[proven ocean]

Ye but thats priory

U can do huge dps with a proper route

Monksea route is like 2 mobs at a time but its kinda fast too

[proven ocean]

Sometimes

Mostly ass tho

[vivid vessel]

well they are outlaw routes

[proven ocean]

Ye ik ik

[vivid vessel]

we conditionned ourselves to play like that

so its a bit diff

[proven ocean]

Ya

I think no matter what u do

Ur never getting overalls with monksea but his routes are just as fast

I like how flexible routes can get thi

Tho

Like

I didnt dislike any monksea route so far

Even tho they look microwaved at first glance

[vivid vessel]

nah they arent

monksea is very good at making routes

and we refine them the whole season

we have some goated things

the priory route idk

goated

I firmly believe our flood route aswell

like last seasn

our flood and priory

were the best routes imo

no way the routes people were playnig were better

[willow portal]

Are those routes available somewhere?

[vivid vessel]

Idk all my vods are up

[long barn]

Anyone?

[tropic zephyr]

It's a three part thing:

• UB proc when spent (with SS/ambush) gives you stacks towards building coup
• the target you struck with UB gets Fazed applied to it
• you gain one stack of Flawless Form (+3% on finishers per stack for 12s)

[long barn]

How do you know the UB is guaranteed

To prio using SS

If all I can find to track is the fazed debuff

[tropic zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[tropic zephyr]

Either take the unseen blade tracker WA

or take a whole group like Zac's one

pretty popular here

cause it has everything you need to track for playing law

[long barn]

I’ll check, are you saying his WA tracks UB outside of the fazed?

[proper veldt]

I didnt even realize how over reliant I became on infinite tricks wtf

[tropic zephyr]

Yes, UB and Fazed are two different things

[proper veldt]

hate playing fb in keys D:

[long barn]

Ok

[tropic zephyr]

It tells you how much UB proc you have to spend (blue) how many procs you've already had (orange) so that you have a better idea on when you will have Coup de Grace.
On top of that it has a CD thing since you get one UB for sure every 20s

[proven ocean]

nah their routes are better for their comps

like the huge pull in 1st pull FG

is absolutely diabolical

likle

u need a boomkin for it

cuz it can dot everything

and nuke it hard

[south scaffold]

Guys, theoretically. i have peacemaker, warpclaw, sacbrood, signet (all hero), and soulbreakers(champion track)

Purely for M+, which combination should be theoretically the best of these?

[tropic zephyr]

The response for this kind of question is pretty much always sim it

from far away, i'd say peacemaker and warpclaw

[south scaffold]

do i use here dungeon slice 5 min? i dont know. i kinda feel that especially for m+, dungeon slice simming is kinda random sometimes. or i am just dumb

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah dslice for dungeons

patchwerk 5mn for st

[jolly geyser]

slicin n dicing

[tropic zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/monkaw-peepo-monka-cool-style-gif-21478410

[tropic zephyr]

no dslice is pretty much accurate, it's a succession of different sized packs and a boss

[daring oxide]

when are the midnight alpha notes coming out?

i cant wait to see the outlaw + unholy dk reworks

[tropic zephyr]

what's your best apex talent cooks

i feel like Greenskin's gonna be banger

(or removed)

[daring oxide]

I think

they'll be related to non talent stuff

like baseline abilities

so RTB, BTE and Sinister Strike

[tropic zephyr]

hmmm

[daring oxide]

i mean it makes no sense for apex talents to be related to optional talents like killing spree tbh

[tropic zephyr]

i liked zac's cook, rtb gives the crackshot window instead of vanish

[daring oxide]

wait

where is zac's cook

[tropic zephyr]

this one

[daring oxide]

This was mine:

Outlaw Apex Talents:

First point: Your RTB now rolls 2 buffs or more minimum and is always guaranteed to roll at least Broadsides
2nd: Your RTB has a further 20% increased chance of granting additonal matches
3rd: Sinister Strike has an additional 15% chance to hit an additional time
Final point: BTE will always critically hit, and BTE critical strike damage is further increased by your crit chance

[tropic zephyr]

ohh you had one like that, nah I think the rtb crackshot thing was even before apex talents were announced

but it could fit a stpot

[daring oxide]

so the aim here is that each point in the apex talent increases outlaw consistency and reduces RNG

like the first apex point makes it so that RTB is always 2 buffs now as minimum, and will always roll broadsides (2 buffs minimum was an idea from Zac)

2nd is just giving us more chance for 5 natty

[vivid vessel]

I never said that

[daring oxide]

3rd is making opportunity procs more frequent

and final point makes BTE more boom

[tropic zephyr]

heh, probably mixed up with someone else coo

[daring oxide]

give cook

[tropic zephyr]

I love the first 3, especially first

but last one seems omega broken?

[daring oxide]

maybe but i want outlaw to be omega broken

[tropic zephyr]

fair

tbf

[daring oxide]

maybe last one can just be

[tropic zephyr]

1st is more broken than last rofl

[daring oxide]

only the first BTE after entering stealth

[tropic zephyr]

BS 100% uptime -> infinite fun -> infinite damage

[daring oxide]

so whenever you enter stealth, you get a buff that makes your next BTE guaranteed crit and increased crit damage based on your crit chance (including RP)

BS 100% uptime just makes the spec flow better

feels more responsive

reduces the back to back SS spam moments

etc

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, especially on KiR

[daring oxide]

just makes it flow better

[tropic zephyr]

HO doesn't really need that

KiR no BS is

[daring oxide]

HO doesn't need it but HO would benefit from the 15% increased chance for opportunity

[tropic zephyr]

ye

[daring oxide]

also

HO benefits from BS a lot too

it increases builder damage

15% damage increase to builders

so its good for HO

[tropic zephyr]

i didn't even know that

[daring oxide]

🙂

[tropic zephyr]

[wintry solar]

If only the game told us what our buffs were

[daring oxide]

I think we need Anticipation back too

for outlaw

so HO would be even more efficient

and would make it more fun, you'd have many moments of back to back finishers

make PC effect baked into dancing steel like Zac suggested

[tropic zephyr]

Oh yeah, HO with anticipation is kinda bangers

Would make KiR less strict too

[daring oxide]

good thing about anticipation

is that it makes aiming for 7cp finishers everytime less punishing

as you wouldn't be wasting cp anymore

to fill your cps

[tropic zephyr]

But remember when we had that gameplay loop of ambush -> dispatch -> PS -> dispatch -> ambush -> ... and then dev didn't like that we were flowing so nice so they nerfed FtH

I think DF S1

[daring oxide]

i mean its like this when we have broadsides

sorta

[tropic zephyr]

yeah

[daring oxide]

but what mattered was that it felt good

and they wanted it to feel more oppressive

and punishing now

for no reason

like the helpless SS back to back spam,

like why do they want this to happen

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah, or when no ADR

[inland acorn]

Nah I'm calling it now, one of the apex talents will be to make KS hit your target instead of random

[tropic zephyr]

god delete KS plz

[glass mortar]

Apex talent: kspree range doubled

But it can now target randomly between allies and enemies

Call it friendly fire

[tropic zephyr]

nice

[daring oxide]

They really need to rework Loaded Dice too.

Instead of guaranteeing two matches, it should just be +1 match,

So if we naturally roll 2 matches, then LD would +1 and make it 3, if we naturally roll 5 matches, then LD makes it 6, and if we roll 1, then its 2 (same effect as it is now)

[rapid ore]

when done with cs window and i have ks and coup ready what is prio? ive done coup so far

[glass mortar]

Kspree

[rapid ore]

[daring oxide]

i doubt they would do this, because KS is optional

[tropic zephyr]

Oh, true, never thought about that but LD kinda fucks with the stats

[daring oxide]

if you dont take KS talent then that apex talent is useless

[tropic zephyr]

that's really fucking bad when you think about it wtf

[glass mortar]

I mean one build is already locked in kspree and the other one will be using it unless it's nerfed

Seems they like kspree

[tropic zephyr]

yeah idk why

[inland acorn]

ye

[daring oxide]

then they just need to make KSpree baseline

[inland acorn]

so it's even funnier if they do that

[daring oxide]

and change the current KSpree talent into an enhancement talent for KSPREE?

like

Kspree always crits (crit chance increases crit damage)? 🙂

or

put anticipation there

so when we do a SC Kspree

we dont waste any cps 🙂

or

KS is 25% faster

or

if you cancel KS early, KS will deal 50% of the remaining damage when cancelled

dunno

[tough flume]

You all have serious changes while i just want proper sfx for killing spree

[daring oxide]

honestly for me atm

Kspree is a tool to spread fazed

so i can swap targets and coup

without being scammed

[tropic zephyr]

I mean I know why they liked it so much, it's the only equivalent to Sectech that we have and that's why they made it a finisher. The goal was to have the Sub/law trickster tree centered around a similar ability.
Again, shared hero trees are absolute GARBAGE and it brought more harm than good overall.

[daring oxide]

sec tech is fucking insane

just give us sec tech please

[tropic zephyr]

true

[indigo token]

timed all 12's except for ara-kara

[daring oxide]

i want my pirate clones

[indigo token]

hoping I can get that down

[daring oxide]

to grapple in

[normal forge]

ks channel time is 0.5 sc, u get 7 cp, no target cap

[daring oxide]

and run-through my targets

also

bring back DFA?

that would look fucking sick

[tropic zephyr]

To be similar than sectech but be outlaw themed it could be a barrel that explodes after 2s

[daring oxide]

flying outlaw rogues

[tropic zephyr]

also

uncapped

[normal forge]

i like that idea

animation being like: throw a barrel, pistol shot to explode , kabum, nice

[tropic zephyr]

maybe you have to PS/BTE it

and if you BTE it but it crits

the barrel does 4x crit

let's go

[daring oxide]

lets see what Jade Martin cooks for us

sounds like hes the lad behind the midnight outlaw rework

hes gonna make it approachable and more fun

less oppressive

he says

[tropic zephyr]

what the hots guy came to design wow specs?

did he give an interview recently?

[indigo token]

oh god

i dont trust blizzard to work on outlaw

[tropic zephyr]

i don't trust a moba guy to redesign law

you know what would need a moba redesign? druids

each non spec form should be a cd

like you're rdrood and you have 2 bear charges as def cd

druid cook end

[daring oxide]

Wait is Jade Martin from HOTS?

[tropic zephyr]

heroes of the storm

yes

i think so

idk i just looked him up rn

i saw hots

[daring oxide]

It’s fine

I have faith

I think outlaw needs a second pair of eyes

[tropic zephyr]

i mean, hots heroes are not bad

[candid swift]

best embelishment for weapon?

[indigo token]

idk with how the dimensius bug still isnt fixed

[tropic zephyr]

@candid swift #1276310705905336442 message

[indigo token]

im wary

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, that would not hurt

I hope someone can see from a top view that a channel ability does not fit the vibe at all

[long barn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[granite merlin]

lol I like killing spree 🙁

[fallen knot]

i need help

[granite merlin]

Don’t we all. 🙂

[fallen knot]

how do i do this in my UI, hpot, healthstones, pot and racial under my character's frame

[proven ocean]

any delve experts

which delve is good to do today

bounty ones

[granite merlin]

Do you use elvui?

[fallen knot]

yes

[daring oxide]

What bug?

[timid portal]

Apex talent: revert KS to old KS

[granite merlin]

You need to go into the setting and do the edit everything mode

[indigo token]

you unstealth taking the portal

neither sub nor sin get unstealthed

[granite merlin]

It’s called anchors or something

[daring oxide]

That’s intended?

[indigo token]

no its not

[daring oxide]

Wait

Only outlaw gets unstealthed???

[indigo token]

yeah

[fallen knot]

that image is not my ui

[indigo token]

its dogshit

[fallen knot]

i want pots stones racial to show and i dont know how

if i do it with omnicd it shows the whole raid

and it's pretty bad

[daring oxide]

why?

[granite merlin]

o edit ElvUI anchors, type /ec in your chat window to open the ElvUI configuration menu, then go to the "Movers" tab and click the "Toggle Anchors" button to unlock all movable elements. You can then click and drag the frames and elements on your screen to their desired positions

[daring oxide]

Does outlaw get unstealthed

[indigo token]

idfk

[fallen knot]

ok but

[jolly geyser]

https://wago.io/PotionBar

[fallen knot]

how do i show pots stones

fuck thanks ramlu

[daring oxide]

Has the bug been reported?

[indigo token]

probably

[tropic zephyr]

looollll

how

man the spaghetti code on stealth shit

like

different bugs for every specs

bugs coming back every other patch

[fallen knot]

and

i need a macro for raid potions

meaning

if raid provides of cauldron then i use those, if not i use mine

how do i do it chatters, my eternal gratitude will be to you

[vivid vessel]

It's just subterfuge

Subterfuge stealth has always been different

[compact mountain]

Wait, it's really only Outlaw (or subterfuge) that gets destealthed on Dimensius? I thought the ass rogue in my raidgroup was trolling

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

delves seem bugged i did tier 11 and didnt get a single gilded crest

wtf is this bullshit

[compact mountain]

You only get them for a certain number a week, like 3 or 4 11s, then the rest won't give any

[proven ocean]

ye as if i did any delves this week

this is like my 2nd one

1st one only gave 4 or someshit

[rotund haven]

I believe only bountiful 11s have the gilded chest, double check make sure you’re not already capped for the week

[vivid vessel]

did you open all the chests

its a special little chest

gives 11 iirc

[proven ocean]

ye

i opened all the cocks there

[vivid vessel]

it needs ot be bountiful also

[vivid vessel]

ye just subterf

[compact mountain]

It's hard to imagine this fight screwing over outlaw any harder if that was an actual goal.

Maybe they're trying to push all the current players out, so in the 3rd expansion they can turn it into a tank spec /cope

[daring oxide]

Do you know if they are aware of the bug?

If not might just make a forum post or support ticket

[vivid vessel]

there is so many bugs

that are more imoprtant

than this

idk

[inland acorn]

It wont be a bug in a couple months, when we get new expansion

[obtuse hollow]

whats the bis trinkets for m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

sigil of the cosmic hunt and stone cursed idol

but several trinkets are close, like netherprism or astral antenna

[glass mortar]

id personally recommend (not) using Perfidious Projector, it is the best trinket (i currently have) and definitly pumps in m+ (compared to my 684 ilvl stuff)

[inland acorn]

Subterfuge bug number 9001, please wait patiently for your order

[daring oxide]

ya true, its just an annoying one that could be fixed instantly

[south scaffold]

the tier set is big for us, right?

[jovial basalt]

POV you win 3/4 curios in pug normal dimensius

https://tenor.com/view/kid-awkward-worried-nervous-embarrassed-gif-4782036

[viscid perch]

Little cdr, other than that its sheit

[midnight granite]

Unless they changed it you only get one

[old gull]

What’s the dimensius bug?

[south scaffold]

really? i heard it was good. well 🙁

[gaunt phoenix]

The portal at the start breaks our stealth

but it's a bug with subterfuge, so it only happens to outlaw

[midnight granite]

2 global max

[digital linden]

I honestly thought it was intended

[old gull]

So subterfuge just doesn’t work?

[gaunt phoenix]

the portal breaks our stealth, which activates subterfuge, but you lose like 4 seconds of subterfuge as you are flying to the boss

[red zinc]

what the helly

Initial D(ruid)

[long barn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[elder phoenix]

I used to remember training dummies that are higher level than max level mobs like just for bosses

where they at now ?

like dummies that have a skull instead of a level on their nameplate

[stiff depot]

Its Kelpfist in Dornogal, where the PVP stuff is

[elder phoenix]

but doesnt he fight back

?

[stiff depot]

Not that I know of

[devout smelt]

He does fight back

[elder phoenix]

naw kelpfist doesnt the other guy besides it does though

Also why is there a fucking ltency lag

sometimes when you're hitting a dummy

this was happening in last tier too

[hollow temple]

sigil and that claw

[stiff depot]

Kelpfist is dps dummy, Crystalmaw is Tank dummy

[elder phoenix]

also i see that the guides arent updated

[devout smelt]

Ah yeah you’re right

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/am7Z5QsZKvdiDUsVyHfkQU 712 what the helly !

[sudden fulcrum]

Expert mode nice try

[elder phoenix]

by the looks of it

he was fed gear

[sullen walrus]

yo

ppl, we just sent

we just sent cdg second time on low cps?

[stiff vector]

erm wtf is there some new MC tech in streets or something? Because what in the actual fuck is this arcane mages dmg, especially on the bosses...or is this dude just abusing some bug https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vhk2JrN9jfxYRbW4?fight=5&type=damage-done&translate=true

[gaunt phoenix]

You try to build cps with the normal priority, but if you need to use SS, then you dont SS you rather just coup early

[vivid vessel]

[slate forge]

Why don’t we wait for loaded dice on our “free” roll after KIR

[random stirrup]

why is this fellows barrage averaging a 20M hit on mailman

that is curious

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

with supercharger it doesn't seem to matter. you roll once immediately and usually get to roll again as some buffs expire but others remain

if you had waited for loaded dice then you might not have gotten the remaining roll

[vivid vessel]

100% bugs

i refuse to beleive you can do 9mil st

[sudden fulcrum]

Might be worth asking mage discord

[vivid vessel]

on last boss

[glass mortar]

well barrage does have an execute so it should be quite a bit higher if u r lusting during execute burn but... that sounds a bit excessive

[vivid vessel]

my guy executing a bit too hard if you ask me

but who am i to know

[random stirrup]

me when i do 150M boss dmg in under 5 seconds

[glass mortar]

im pretty sure their current set bonus is pretty bonkers to

[vivid vessel]

i dont even play amge

[glass mortar]

doesnt it let them basically spam barrage for like 5s

idk my friend was telling me its wild

[random stirrup]

isnt that soul

[glass mortar]

soul?

this is from the second top arcane log on first boss mythic

during execute

so idk r those barrage numbers even excessive?

[glass mortar]

theres a damage amp on that fight or something? if not then they are yea

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[glass mortar]

i thought it was a damage amped target

if not then yea check him pc

[vivid vessel]

even with a damage amp

thats like

[glass mortar]

4X damage

[vivid vessel]

ye

also there is no damage amp on last boss

[stiff vector]

Well the priest is MCing the sparkcaster on those bosses..but I dont see any weird buffs on the mage, but hes clearly keeping it MC'd like the entire 2nd half of the dungeon for a reason

something fishy going on

[vivid vessel]

there is this

but idk

[sudden fulcrum]

[vivid vessel]

oh

like

this ??

nah but

blizzard

why does mc still exist

we go over this every tier

remove mc in keys

[glass mortar]

LMAOOO

[elder phoenix]

why? mc is part of priests since for ever lol

[vivid vessel]

why?

[fluid meadow]

it's from eco-dome, is there dmg amp in the 1st pull in the dung?

[vivid vessel]

because it break half the dungeons

every tier

for no benefit other than its funny lore

who cares

make mc not a thing in dugeons

please

[sudden fulcrum]

They should fix the exploits then not remove the ability

[vivid vessel]

?

every tier

there is new things

[glass mortar]

the ability is literally only relevant and even on peoples bars when theres an exploit

[vivid vessel]

which is the issue

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

ye

[torpid fiber]

They should give us an mc then zac would stop complaining

[glass mortar]

make it not work in combat or something

[sudden fulcrum]

That’s a QA problem not a MC problem

[vivid vessel]

the ability only exist in keys to exploit

litteraly

only time you ever mc in keys

[glass mortar]

make it so MC breaks on combat or in dungeons/raids

[vivid vessel]

its to exploit something

[glass mortar]

ez fix

go next

[stiff vector]

[tall sequoia]

with stacked up buffs and execute it's pretty realistic

[dawn talon]

last 5s of soul + burden + crit rng + good arlo spells in surge would do it

[elder phoenix]

You know what they should fix'd

ghostly strike

it should have a gcd

[stiff vector]

also same mage(pretty sure, idk I cant read chinese) somehow doing over 6m ST on last boss in HoA as Frost https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vhk2JrN9jfxYRbW4?fight=2&type=damage-done&pull=15&translate=true

[elder phoenix]

its kinda funny though about the Ghostly strike macro/bug. I was testing out hekili a couple days ago and i was like naw hekilis doing the rotation wrong, gs after a vanish? tf is this. Then i read the pins today LOL

[torpid fiber]

Tbf afaik the sims just assume the bug doesn't work, at least for the more inconsistent versions

[gaunt phoenix]

at least vanish+gs is not a bug, the extra AR shit or BtE is bugged

[vivid vessel]

oh no but bro

mc is so cool

wdym delete mc

mc is great for the game

i love mc

[tall sequoia]

lmao wtf

[sudden fulcrum]

This perspective is like saying delete slice and dice because there was a favorable bug with it (guess there still is)

[vivid vessel]

no

please dont be stupid

[random stirrup]

already figured out the MC tech, but this thing, you can spam barrage for 6s

[vivid vessel]

mc in keys

is only ever used

[glass mortar]

???

[vivid vessel]

when you can exploit somethig n

[glass mortar]

i mean cmon bro thats not even remotely comparable

[vivid vessel]

it brekas every key every season

please stop being stupid

[glass mortar]

its like saying remove swirly ball cosmetic ability they gave us because every season it makes us do 5 million extra dps in a dungeon

this ability has no usage but flavor

which is fine

so make it unusable in dungeons and raids

and all these issues r solved

[torpid fiber]

tbf snd also is only used at this point to exploit things, it's just a very different scale

[sudden fulcrum]

This is you doing exactly what you hate Ross doing to you

There is no need to insult anyone

[vivid vessel]

no cause you are acting stupid

[glass mortar]

it still wouldnt be the same because SnD was an actual rotational ability and still has niche uses in the rotation

[gaunt phoenix]

stupid is a harsh word

[stiff vector]

this is one of the most omega cooked takes of all time

[vivid vessel]

dont type stupid things then

[torpid fiber]

Nah I get the perspective

[leaden sonnet]

Bro not only is it an annoying ass mc tech, its also only buffing mages, double cooked

[glass mortar]

the last time MC was a real spell by design was what, blast furnace in WoD?

every single time MC has been relevant since WoD

its breaking a dungeon

until blizzard fixes it

[torpid fiber]

Hey they used it on mythic jaina

[stiff vector]

ofc its only buffing mages

[leaden sonnet]

Or they dont, in the case of necrotic

[random stirrup]

hey now it buffs the cloak

[glass mortar]

🙂

[random stirrup]

huge outlaw buff

[vivid vessel]

#outlaw message this one is for everyone cuh

[glass mortar]

but again im not like zac u dont need to delete the spell

just disable it in raids and m+

that should satisfy muffin and zac

[vivid vessel]

i said disable it in keys

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

i neeer said delet the spell

[leaden sonnet]

Ye but i prefer being upset at mages

[vivid vessel]

i said remove mc in keys

[glass mortar]

ok but

[vivid vessel]

remember the bees in everbloom

[glass mortar]

muffins response reads like they think u want it deleted

and u dont clarify

so

bad coms bad coms

[vivid vessel]

remember the mc in workshop that was not fixed in bfa, nor in sl, and was only fixed in tww

[glass mortar]

disable mc in raids and m+ and we are all gucci

[vivid vessel]

please how can i be more clear

[jolly geyser]

remove ghostly strike

[stiff vector]

buff outlaw

[sudden fulcrum]

I understood what you meant and I don’t think removing MC in keys is the best answer. Blizzard should QA this stuff especially considering its history of being exploited. Even better would be giving opportunities to use MC that aren’t OP

[elder phoenix]

i think they should put gcd on GS if you want MC to be gone lol

[glass mortar]

ok well now i think ur just silly

no reason for MC to be enabled in m+

its either broken or not on priests spell bars

it never exists in a state of "fun ability i use for fun to make keys fun"

or even balanced

why would u act liek this ability is ok in m+

[sudden fulcrum]

Just because it isn’t like that doesn’t mean it can’t be

[glass mortar]

it has never existed in what anyone would call a "balanced state"

???

do u think blizzard is going to go thru the effort of tuning every mob so priests can mc them for a dps gain and be tuned around it like

what is the possible endgame here

if MC isnt a dps gain its never pressed

if it is a dps gain they need to tune it to be what, not broken i guess? for every mob in the game?

[sudden fulcrum]

Probably not but I can still dream of a better approach than just “delete it lol”

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure mc is worth the effort

[glass mortar]

yea nah just delete it from m+ only

and raid of course

[jolly geyser]

I like MC in pvp,when priests make people jump off stuff

[glass mortar]

this abilities only value is pvp and flavor so keep it those places

[torpid fiber]

Give priests an interrupt in exchange for MC and they'll be happy

[glass mortar]

this is a niche flavor leftover ability there is never going to be a "dream state" of it ur basically asking blizzard to remember and tune every dungeon npc they design around the potential of a priest MC

that is very very silly

[elder phoenix]

its okay i didnt want them to take or rather remake acro strikes too

but they did anyway

i miss my outlaw range 🙁

[vivid vessel]

also mcing mobs is annoying for everyone

cause mced mobs dotn have agro

[viscid perch]

The problem was the dev gave it to the other 2 spec

[vivid vessel]

so they get out of mc and run to the priest and melee him

people die

its cringe af

remember mist

whole season

we mced

the cringe mob

[stiff vector]

I hated MCing mobs on spriest, the mob legit gets like giga angry at you and will require like multiple taunts sometimes to get it off you when it breaks lol

its also just such a massive pain in the ass

[random stirrup]

MC is just omega jank and like zac said pretty much exclusively used to cheese dungeons

[glass mortar]

when was the last legit mc usage

someone said on jaina? i dont remember that but maybe it was during the race

[random stirrup]

NW was a giant pain because the only way to time it was running this dumbass cleaver guy around the entire dungeon and having a full cc rotation on him (if you didnt play druid)

[glass mortar]

the last one i remember was blast furnace in WoD

[torpid fiber]

Echo used it on p1 adds in jaina rwf

[glass mortar]

ah ok

[torpid fiber]

(Method at the time)

[vivid vessel]

NAH BUT

[torpid fiber]

I'm pretty sure it was cheese though even then, they like got them to jump off of the ship or smth

[vivid vessel]

how can anyone

[glass mortar]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

not be against mc

i cant bro

[random stirrup]

was really fun to brick our first goated NW because our priest clicked the final gate at the wrong time and the guy threw a cleaver through the floor and killed our evoker!

[glass mortar]

i mean listen zac, if you made priest spec like a dedicated psychic spec and its whole thing it was tuned around was having a MC'd "pet" and u pick whatever mob u want from a dungeon and blizzard spent all the time to tune every mob they ever made around this

[random stirrup]

and then didnt snap for 45s

[glass mortar]

that would be funny

but its never gunna happen

so just remove it from serious content

[elder phoenix]

I mean why remove it

[glass mortar]

or just give priests the hunter treatment and any mob they MC gets "pettified" and turbo scaled down to be a 5% of ur dps andy

[elder phoenix]

from "serious" content

that doesnt make sense

Just because you feel against it

[glass mortar]

what

why remove an ability thats only purpose is to cheese from serious content?

i mean we just talked about all this u can go over the whole convo

[random stirrup]

did you play NW at any serious level

[elder phoenix]

Im just saying, saying "remove x y z" because it doesn't fit your narrative is kinda moot

[random stirrup]

or mists

[daring oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/valeera-sanguinar-is-midnights-newest-delve-companion-378323?utm_source=discord-webhook

[random stirrup]

that ability is cringe

[glass mortar]

my narrative being i dont like it when an ability only exists whenever it breaks a dungeon?

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/jorking-my-peanits-cat-coke-gif-6176227520752583257

[glass mortar]

me when my narrative is i dont like cheese

[daring oxide]

so

how is valeera gonna heal

or tank

hmm

is she gonna throw crimson vials at us

[jolly geyser]

perma evasion

[daring oxide]

and tank valeera is outlaw rogue

[elder phoenix]

No one had an issue with it during shadowlands right?

[glass mortar]

yes

we did

literally everytime this ability is relevant

its for us to complain about

it only exists on priests bars when it carries you through a dungeon

or breaks a boss

that is its only purpose

[elder phoenix]

Sounds like you should just roll a priest then if it makes you butthurt so much lol

[glass mortar]

alright i assume ur just trollin

[sudden fulcrum]

I’m not sure priests like it either

[glass mortar]

we can move on from the convo

[elder phoenix]

How am i trolling. lol Just cuz you feel something against an ability doesnt make it liable to be removed

[vivid vessel]

youi are so cringe

legit

[torpid fiber]

They should make mc let the mob control you

[vivid vessel]

r1 troller in rh

[glass mortar]

nah im not taking the bait

[sudden fulcrum]

I asked the priest discord about MC and this is what one of the regulars said

remove it the last time it was cool was in classic battlegrounds to let people jump off cliffs

[glass mortar]

if ur too lazy to go and read our reasoning over the last 10 minutes im not rehashing it all for u

yea priests dont like it easier its so crazy to me

[vivid vessel]

its moot

[glass mortar]

anyone defends this ability

[vivid vessel]

this guy is litteraly

[glass mortar]

true

[elder phoenix]

🙄 if theres something to be removed or changed is that GS needs to have a gcd.

[vivid vessel]

the msot cringe rh user

[jolly geyser]

oh you cant jump people off with retail MC?

[vivid vessel]

see

[torpid fiber]

idk I think it's reasonable to go "killing unique utility is bad" but they should probably rework it then

[glass mortar]

not even trying now

we move on

[sudden fulcrum]

I think you still can but I’m not a pvp guy

[vivid vessel]

its not unique utility

[glass mortar]

its not utility tho

[vivid vessel]

its exploits

everytime its relevant

[glass mortar]

"this ability only gets put on my bars from my spellbook when an npc does the dungeon for us because blizzard forgot about MC" is not a utility

[torpid fiber]

They're the same thing just at different magnitudes imo

[proven ocean]

why are u always like this

[glass mortar]

sure but thats pointless

to even say

SnD bug and coup bug are the same "thing" (a game breaking bug) to a different magnitude right

but u know why they were treated differently

because one made u do 250% more dps

[proven ocean]

i mean if u ping whispyr im sure he will get muted

[glass mortar]

and needed to be removed immediatly

[trim harbor]

how HO build feeling has anyone tried it

[torpid fiber]

Sure but to me it's kinda like wound poison or similar shit

I think classes having unique tools is cool this just is not one that's sustainable in the current state.

[vivid vessel]

weran

you know what I wonder sometimes

everytime i read dungeon journals

[glass mortar]

me when my tool is only ever a tool when it breaks the game

[gaunt phoenix]

it's alright

i think it's minorly worse than KIR 2FTH

[vivid vessel]

i read these debuffs abilities

[glass mortar]

surely wound poison has broken the game at some point

[vivid vessel]

and im thinking there is no way mc will work with it anyway

no one uses it for a while

then mid seasons every priest start mcing these mobs

turns out it works

everytime there is a debuff it works

gg

just open mdt

read debuffs

[glass mortar]

yes

[vivid vessel]

if its a debfuf it works

[glass mortar]

the ability is bad zac what do u want me to say

[vivid vessel]

go abuse now

[torpid fiber]

They should let you MC your teammates so they don't stand in bad perma

[glass mortar]

uve convinced me

[proven ocean]

i mean its all wrong usually

besides no one really tests these things

[vivid vessel]

and priests players are stupid

cause

[proven ocean]

until after a certain player shows up

[vivid vessel]

they dont know about it

[proven ocean]

and likes to test things

[vivid vessel]

cause they cant read mdt

[proven ocean]

im sure we explored alot of things more than any other class in the game

[vivid vessel]

like it confuses me so much

you are a priest the first thing you should be doing

is read every mdt spell

and look for what is abusable next

[proven ocean]

most classes are usually lower iq when it comes to new tech or abusing things

[vivid vessel]

stop being stupid and assume it doesnt work

cause it always works

so hwy are you a stupid priest

dont be a stupid priest

and press mc

[proven ocean]

no cappy

[glass mortar]

i mean zac part of it is

priests dont wanna be casting MC

even if its broken

[proven ocean]

what

thats wrong

they just dont know

weran

[glass mortar]

its wild to me to find people defending the ability in here because every season MC is broken all my priests friends complain about it 24/7

they dont wanna be binding and casting that shit and controlling an npc

[proven ocean]

the only reason why priests wont do it if its broken is that it has a chance to kill them

thats all

[glass mortar]

thats not why they picked shadow

[proven ocean]

lol

like

i remember in everbloom

we didnt abuse it cuz our priest was dumb as fuck and said he might die everytime

so he didnt

[tropic zephyr]

I'm not playing at 0.01% level but most priests I see just pi me bcs they think I'm sin

[glass mortar]

yea im sure thats why and not cause he actually just didnt wanna do it because its cringe for the priest player

[elder phoenix]

I mean saying remove MC means Shroud should be removed too

[glass mortar]

definitly he was too scared

[vivid vessel]

moot

[tropic zephyr]

What they don't know is I'm just ass

[stiff vector]

its because theyve never played priest in high keys lol, anyone who has ever played priest in high keys will universally instantly drop what theyre doing to tell you how much they hate MC

[elder phoenix]

🤷‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

you litteraly shouldnt be allowed to type

in this discord

[proven ocean]

you litteraly shouldnt be allowed to type
in this discord

[sudden fulcrum]

After discussing it a lot I think MC is dumb and probably should be disabled or at least reworked to be fun. I guess it’s hard to make it work in a way that isn’t busted or annoying though

[tropic zephyr]

What

[gaunt phoenix]

i think we should be civil

[tropic zephyr]

Dog shit take

[gaunt phoenix]

[tropic zephyr]

Fr

[viscid perch]

Comparing mc to our shroud

[torpid fiber]

Shroud doesn't double enemy damage taken tbf

[viscid perch]

Thats downsyndrome

[glass mortar]

in a world with more dev time and such im sure you could make MC a more fun spell idd

[proven ocean]

i think zac is being as civil as he can be, the guy types the opposite of what everyone wants to hear

[glass mortar]

but we are never gunna have that

we never have had that

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[glass mortar]

its better to just disable it

[proven ocean]

just because he wants to

[gaunt phoenix]

Fuck out of here

[glass mortar]

you should disable it anyway until u improve it right

the state it exists in now is just bad

[stiff vector]

just ignore moot, hes just a ragebaiter that purposely thinks of dumb takes every few months

[sudden fulcrum]

Yeah unfortunately the game has way bigger problems

[proven ocean]

relax bro

like

[vivid vessel]

bro moot entire purpose is to type dumb shit

[proven ocean]

say any dumb shit but not that

what the helly

[glass mortar]

i mean comparing shroud to MC is just ragebait but u guys can just move on

u dont need to bite

[torpid fiber]

new dumb take: crimson vial should get nerfed again.

Debate.

[proven ocean]

ok i think this chat needs a moderator for once moot and the other guy is a lil cooked rn

[glass mortar]

only one even still trying to debate this is moot so

[proven ocean]

chill out chat

[stiff vector]

new topic: Giga buff outlaw pls

[proven ocean]

true

[glass mortar]

we need to spread the good word

people dont know yet

crimson vial was buffed by 10000% with the kspree rework

cause u can cast it during kspree now

free crimson vial

[jolly geyser]

oh nice

[glass mortar]

finally the ability is worth pressing

[torpid fiber]

Oh shit I keep forgetting about that

[jolly geyser]

same

[gilded tinsel]

heroic logs

[late swallow]

we need double digit outlaw buffs immediately

[keen belfry]

look at this snipe

[proven ocean]

ultra digits

not just double

no cappy

[torpid fiber]

That + hasted means vial actually feels like a real button now ngl

[proven ocean]

btw u wasted 0.1-0.2 seconds by going down

u fly up and dismount into insta stealth

[keen belfry]

couldve dismounted u righttt

[proven ocean]

u save few more

[keen belfry]

shitttt

[proven ocean]

awang

u need to be more creative

u have potential

but

[glass mortar]

dw i got mythic for u fam

[keen belfry]

im stuck in the box man

[proven ocean]

u need to open up ur chakra

[glass mortar]

ur right outlaw is bonkers

herioc is fake news

[proven ocean]

@keen belfry think ur an EU rogue for a day or 2

[stiff vector]

not rly enough public myth logs yet tbh, only a semi decent amount of logs from like 3 myth bosses so..but not like it matters, its not like outlaw will look any better on the last 4 myth bosses, if anything it will only look worse.

[proven ocean]

i think u might improve that way

[keen belfry]

when i was in EU i shouldve just logged in wow

wouldve helped

[proven ocean]

true

NA rogue curse..

[keen belfry]

tea party buillshit

[proven ocean]

NA rogue = Microwaved

[keen belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/microwave-phone-handle-microwave-phone-call-gif-9181143696567920859

[glass mortar]

zeross what kinda coffee do i get today

about to go out and grab lunch

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-massachusetts-microwave-gif-6177376271775336621

[proven ocean]

I DID NOT EXPECT THAT

[vivid vessel]

only look that high cause dh boss is boss damage btw

[keen belfry]

this gif was funny as shit no cap

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[proven ocean]

i had iced latte earlier today

i like iced latte

[glass mortar]

mmmm what kinda latte

just regular ol latte?

[proven ocean]

just normal

milk+espresso

[glass mortar]

vanilla? (not the flavor vanilla)

[jolly geyser]

I dont like cold coffee,tastes weird

[proven ocean]

thats all

[red zinc]

basic bih

[glass mortar]

good coms good coms

[proven ocean]

i love that alot

[glass mortar]

brb

[red zinc]

i aint never drank coffee in my life

[stiff vector]

holy shit that looked so much like my kitchen for a sec I was like wtf how you get a video of my house, I have the same microwave and my stove looks very similar

[proven ocean]

i hate sweet coffee and things that ruin the coffee unless if its like flavored nicely i can enjoy it from time to time

[glass mortar]

i like very very mild sweetness but usually just the milk or bit of cream put in is enough to make it "sweet"

i dont like adding sugar ye

or added sugar

[elder phoenix]

i like how sub is pumping

[gaunt phoenix]

why is Aug ahead of Dev

[tropic zephyr]

we join the joy of our fury brothers

[vivid vessel]

because just buff op specs you are op gg

[proven ocean]

aug is decent in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[proven ocean]

not too bad of a spedc

[cinder haven]

On the positive side there is room for buffs!

[tropic zephyr]

isn't aug good for ST rn? i saw they play aug for saladbar

[proven ocean]

we play aug sometimes

but we're a casual guild anyway

[vivid vessel]

aug still break half the logs btw

[proven ocean]

watch moot say

long live aug

[vivid vessel]

just saying

[proven ocean]

zac

[gaunt phoenix]

i know they are good

but they should not be

[glass mortar]

zac did u see that on soulhunters our aug taxed our warlocks like 600k dps apiece

[proven ocean]

hes typing rn

no cappy

[glass mortar]

they were so tilted

[elder phoenix]

i dont think outlaw is gonna get buffed any time soon. in fact it might be the opposite, with this bug. When this bug is fix'd might be a nerf Idk though

[vivid vessel]

well ye

[stiff vector]

spec that is literally designed to do prio dmg/cleave off boss, is literally the worst spec in the game at doing exactly what it was designed to do crazy how badly theyve giga fucked this spec

[vivid vessel]

what bug

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

tf you talking about

is this guy high

[viscid perch]

I knew it

[random stirrup]

why do you always take the bait zac

[viscid perch]

See

[glass mortar]

i wish the marksmenship hunter variance meme had caught on more

"5% wipe? yea thats within marks variance. pull again"

[proven ocean]

told u ping a mod

or dont get baited

[torpid fiber]

The one where we're still playing the spec

[tropic zephyr]

wait why is fury so low tho? can't they go slayer and own the boss?

like they play slayer for M+ anyways

idk