outlaw

[jolly geyser]

dry spell

[rare rapids]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[random geyser]

Hey what is good uptime for broadside on st?

[elder phoenix]

thats not even a top 2 trinket

lol

[ocean steeple]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[alpine stag]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[midnight granite]

when do I press nether prism on law

[quartz magnet]

this one is a tough choice

[random geyser]

How are some top parse maintaining 80% or more on rtb buffs mine are around 50%

[pastel cedar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/dhpvZcfXY1RjD8ak/VmQt2x1gnf6JPYXB?fight=30%2C27&type=damage-done&comparesearchmetric=dps&source=13%2CStreamliner

can anyone help me understand why this guys between the eyes had an average cast of 2.84m while mine was 1.90m?

my ST is so bad but idk what im doing wrong

[young elbow]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[teal wing]

im 100% certain there is some kind of cto bug, i have keys where im not getting single proc for 5 min and then i watch zac video and he gets them all the time and shit has to be bugged it makes no sense

[fluid meadow]

don't use ambush in kir build, whatis this cooking? there are more and more players like this?

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[pastel cedar]

?

[gaunt phoenix]

Both of those logs were pressing ambush in stealth but that build doesn't use ambush at all

[torpid heath]

Is this good?

[pastel cedar]

oh so sinister strike when in stealth?

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

not just sinister strike but pistol shots based on cps/stacks/broadside

[torpid heath]

Is it better to hold ur roll when u press ADR or KIR

[gaunt phoenix]

Not exactly sure what you mean

[torpid heath]

ADR grant u 2 buff but if u ADR-Roll-(proc 5 buff)-KIR u wont be avle to roll again

[gaunt phoenix]

you do get to roll again

[torpid heath]

Ill just wait live 2 or 3 BTE before rolling?

Like*

[teal wing]

yes

[torpid heath]

or i wait to have my roll back before KIR

[teal wing]

you wait anyway

on natty 5 roll

[torpid heath]

I alwais KIR when i have more than 4

Never wait should i

[cedar kernel]

solo may i ask i always forgot to switch back the stat wep in some < 3 target situation, does it mean i have a very huge penalty in dps

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont see an issue with AR > Roll > KIR > ...roll again when RTB is ready

[teal wing]

If you roll a natural 5 buff, then don't KIR immediately. You should try to wait for the final 6th buff to be obtained from Count the Odds, especially if you are still missing :rtb_bs: Broadside, :rtb_rp: Ruthless Precision or :rtb_tb: True Bearing.

[wintry solar]

Dimmy makes me want to take out all stealth talents since he doesn't take my favorite spec seriously.

[rotund zodiac]

why sometimes I don't get lucky coin even tho I have 7 same coin stacks?

idk what I did wrong

from the macro btw

[gaunt phoenix]

Which macro

[fluid meadow]

how much up is the s2 tier into s3 tier? and what is our dmg in dslice without raid buffs in sim with 700 ilvl rn?

[rotund zodiac]

/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike

[gaunt phoenix]

You should always get lucky coin but it has a delay

[rotund zodiac]

so I should hold a very very bit before bte?

imma try again next trash clear

[gaunt phoenix]

are you talking about the opener or randomly in combat?

You use roll the bones after that not bte

[rotund zodiac]

ok I'll try again

[gaunt phoenix]

if you were pressing bte at the same time as this macro then there is a chance you get some bugged coins like 7/4 that dont proc lucky coin

[rotund zodiac]

that might be the case

[gaunt phoenix]

But that's only if you bte at the very same instant that AR+GS happens

[still matrix]

If i already have MH Crafted wep, and bis oh is dagger, do you just open as assa?

for vault*

[keen belfry]

solo can i unequip this belt man

[rotund zodiac]

I hate the belt 😠

[scarlet drum]

Should I macro the ghostly strike into between the eyes?

[gaunt phoenix]

You can for specifically vanish though you will start having multiple macros

Cause you need AR+GS

And maybe GS+BtE

but not AR+GS+BtE

[cedar kernel]

[gaunt phoenix]

it is a bit cringe macro gaming

[wintry solar]

Don't worry Bac, GSW gaming in midnight

[cedar kernel]

u know that

i am always the GSW enjoyer

[gaunt phoenix]

Midnight they delete kir

[cedar kernel]

wait is it tru?

[wintry solar]

I believe that no cap frfr

[gaunt phoenix]

I guarantee kir will be gone or changed

[cedar kernel]

maybe upgrade?

[wintry solar]

Everytime I see GSW not talented into I think of you

[cedar kernel]

i rly love GSW feels like in SL

the real balanced build there

[wintry solar]

The rogue in the Prey showcase didn't crackshot

Solo might have to prepare to put the channel on slowmode

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean crackshot can go

[wintry solar]

Sure but the reaction in this channel would be explosive

[gaunt phoenix]

Shadowlands outlaw was great without it

[lavish zephyr]

Imagine being butthurt and dented enough to bring something up after days. Ive also talked to you for like 10 minutes about it and in fact you never were below the tank on any of your logs, even on the fights you were trying to show at dubious health threshholds. I wont entertain your wild narcissistic imagination further tho. People always whisper about how you present yourself, might wanna work on that.

[scarlet drum]

Can you explain this a bit more? So I am using adrenaline rush to try and get a lucky coin right? What effect does stealth have upon that?

[wintry solar]

Yeah the closer we get to SL outlaw the better

[lavish zephyr]

Hopefully gone

[cedar kernel]

GSW Apex: Make each FTH stack comsumed to shot 2 times, dealing 75% dmg

2x3=6+3=9

[thin fiber]

any1 feel that giving us a DOT sounds good?

[wintry solar]

If it's implemented good I wouldn't mind

I'm open to anything

My only criteria for outlaw is to be fun in pvp and pve.

[lavish zephyr]

Kinda unthematic

Tbh

[scarlet drum]

Why do you need to cancelaura the stealth?

[stiff vector]

what about a fire dot from shooting our guns, and ticks give CDR

[gaunt phoenix]

Because coin bugs

If AR breaks stealth, you dont get extra coins

So you cancel it yourself

It works with vanish though. Dont need to cancelaura vanish.

[frank finch]

these notes disapperaed from the hotfixes btw

[scarlet drum]

So does this only apply to the opener then?

[gaunt phoenix]

You already opened with AR+GS macro

Now lately you can do it with vanish

[frail veldt]

Wonder why that is

[gaunt phoenix]

sometimes

[frail veldt]

I guess vanish is a different stealth type?

[gaunt phoenix]

You mostly Vanish+GS but sometimes AR is also ready

So you can technically reuse the same opener macro

So you dont have multiple macros and it starts being weird

Cuz multiple macros are weird

[scarlet drum]

lol, what is the opener macro again?

[frail veldt]

When GS comes off cd is ADR always at 1.5min CD if you used them at the same time?

[scarlet drum]

the cancelaura stealth?

[frail veldt]

Is that how the math works?

[gaunt phoenix]

The same thing yoy replied to

/cancelaura stealth
/cast AR
/cast GS

[scarlet drum]

So I shouldn't ambush at all in the KiR build?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

In theory should we not end up adr GS every other vanish GS?

[frail veldt]

WOW

You lucky fuck

[scarlet drum]

Is there a channel where I can link a log and someone can tell me what I'm fucking up in the fatebound single target build? I'm not used to it coming from exclusively using the HO build.

[vivid vessel]

what luckj

[gaunt phoenix]

This does happen a lot

At least for tge first few vanishes

[frail veldt]

Yeah I feel like if I do it right they sync up for a long time

It's only once you run out of vanishes that shit goes wack

[gaunt phoenix]

But as the fight goes on they are more likely to desync

[frail veldt]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

Not even that good of a vault ..

[frail veldt]

Is antenna not good

[vivid vessel]

Ok but imagine prism instead !

[willow portal]

sadge vault, do i just take myth idol?

[vivid vessel]

Holy macaroni

[frail veldt]

How's that sadge

Y'all are cooked what's even going on

[willow portal]

what would you take there

[frail veldt]

Idol in a heartbeat

[gaunt phoenix]

Idol

[willow portal]

like most gear isnt going to help me in st sadly

[frail veldt]

Oh wow bro

Suffering from success

[willow portal]

its a difficult burden to carry

idk i might go stone idol then

sims for 30k gain single target too

[frail veldt]

If you plan to do m+ idol is v big

[willow portal]

dont really want a active trinket

i still am not good enough with ar uptime that i want to give away those 3 globals to idol

[cedar kernel]

gz

[gaunt phoenix]

Idol is like 1.5 globals

[frail veldt]

You can start it while on gcd though right?

[gaunt phoenix]

No you can't

[frail veldt]

Oh what

That's annoying

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk i feel nothing

[lime lake]

[willow portal]

sad to hear bro

[lime lake]

i feel nothing

[vivid vessel]

Sad to hear bro

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[stiff vector]

didnt get cosmic hunt again td but picked up a heroic araz for when Im forced into sub prison

[hollow thunder]

guys i mainly do M+ would you take Warpclaw Myth Track, or Cosmic Hunt Heroic Track from Vault ?

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure, warpclaw you could eventually dinar

[ocean imp]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[vivid vessel]

Simmming for vault is so fake

Never simmed a vault in my life

[heavy shadow]

What was the antena nerf? Is it shit now

[ocean imp]

Wh...what...?

I thought the meta was to mock people who ask for which gear to use and to tell them to sim themself in 100% of cases

What do I do now

[wintry solar]

The right stats never got me into groups. Ilvl def has

[ocean imp]

Tru

[gaunt phoenix]

antennna seems about the same

[ocean imp]

Well since we are talking about it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1056242169138135040/1410133202034622515/image.png?ex=68afe862&is=68ae96e2&hm=16f2e80634ca9f49f0c691a3a5758563678aa4112663a854fefb30aea48709e9&

[vivid vessel]

Solo

I learned recently

That you had to pick up antenna balls

[ocean imp]

I got champion antenna + neitherprism, seems I'm replacing prism with the secret technique

[vivid vessel]

I have been getting ball cancer ever since

[gaunt phoenix]

I thought they come to you

[vivid vessel]

Ye

But if you move

You can dodge them

[ocean imp]

It's a secret minmax technique

[vivid vessel]

You can check logs

There is 2 buffs

[ocean imp]

Keep dodging until amp phase

[vivid vessel]

And one is always higher

It's the balls coming toward you

[ocean imp]

Then you get 5000% crit chance

[vivid vessel]

Sometimes the discrepancy is big on bosses with movement

[gaunt phoenix]

so the balls dont change direction

[vivid vessel]

Well the balls just expire after a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

Or what

[vivid vessel]

I don't know

I don't remember

But ye they won't always reach

Depending on how you move and when

[cedar kernel]

not yet

brothers not yet

should i finish some delves?

[gaunt phoenix]

Guys my cat is so precious

[cedar kernel]

[gaunt phoenix]

need to squish

[vivid vessel]

Eat him

[frail veldt]

Y'all ever get cuteness aggression

[cedar kernel]

💀 cat meat is not tasty

[wintry solar]

[hollow thunder]

always when my cats sleeping

[cedar kernel]

dont ask me why i know that

[wintry solar]

Horse meat isn't either

[wintry solar]

Nor dog

[cedar kernel]

Dog is good

but only bad dogs

good dogs not tasty too

[wintry solar]

Dog sucks

[cedar kernel]

like a bad dog raised by my grandpa

bite my aunt

u know its ending

[wintry solar]

I just knew a Mexican family working at my pawpaws pecan plant

[hollow thunder]

u grandpa asian?

[cedar kernel]

i am Chinese

mate

[hollow thunder]

i knew

[wintry solar]

Bac and his folk Chinese

[cedar kernel]

we know theres consequences

my aunt come to grandpas house everyday

the dog still yalling at her

[vivid vessel]

Why do you know that

[cedar kernel]

dont ask babe

[violet ferry]

What

[wintry solar]

I drew my own conclusions Bac

[vivid vessel]

I asked

[cedar kernel]

bc theres a lots of wild cats in city, hurting people

[wintry solar]

Is that okay?

[vivid vessel]

You just eat them?

Based

[cedar kernel]

sometimes people will kill those cat bc they become something like rat

[wintry solar]

They become pests

[hollow thunder]

oh no 🙁

[wintry solar]

I get it man

[cedar kernel]

yea

[violet ferry]

There are lots of criminals in my city hurting people. Should we eat them?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[wintry solar]

Yes

[hollow thunder]

yes

[cedar kernel]

i think the people who dont have responsibility

make this things happened

[wintry solar]

Bro thought he cooked with that one

[cedar kernel]

abandonned them

[violet ferry]

Good, I’m glad we all agree

[cedar kernel]

but that was long time ago in country

i mean like if u dont want to take the responsibility, dont raise pets

[wintry solar]

Are there coyotes in china?

[cedar kernel]

not in my area

[wintry solar]

North and Central America

[cedar kernel]

most of wolfs in China are protected by people

[wintry solar]

Ah yeah wolves

[cedar kernel]

we wont eat it, we just take care of it in case of being killed or something else

u know people would selling their leather or something else

we got a good animal protecting tech, killing animal we dont see become or not common is illegal

[wintry solar]

I'm open to eating any kind of meat tbh

[cedar kernel]

my favorite meat is beef fr

beef forever

[wintry solar]

( )

[wintry solar]

Mine is chicken

[cedar kernel]

i have too many chicken in my life

[wintry solar]

It's so versatile

Yeah I'm the same way with fish

I grew up poor so i had to eat what I caught and fish was the most readily available source of protein.

[cinder relic]

They do, but they still disapate if you don't manage to collect them. You end up on average at around 30% miss chance

[cedar kernel]

or wait brothers, i have something to tell, do u know theres cage spawning mobs in minecraft, someone made something like that in my place, loggin ur own profiles there could register one, then a lots of wild cat will come to ur place

[cinder relic]

You can config it in simc at the bottom

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

You have cages spanwers for cats in China?

That's xrazyv

[heavy shadow]

So how impactful is the antenna nerf? Is it still bis?

[cedar kernel]

yea yea

[hollow thunder]

really xrazyv

[cedar kernel]

sigh business

[wintry solar]

I tried coyote

[cedar kernel]

try louisiana crayfish next time

its a

cuisine in China

[wintry solar]

It's crazy how no matter what you use as a marinade it tastes like BUTT

[cedar kernel]

very good but i dont like shelling

[wintry solar]

Oh the irony.

I live in Louisiana

[cedar kernel]

i will show u some pic

[sullen wyvern]

apex talent: dancing steel now uncaps your BF

I believe guys

[wintry solar]

Blizz ain't that cool

[wintry solar]

That's an interesting take

[rotund zodiac]

nah, just uncap bf without needing the talent pls

[wintry solar]

Ye

[cedar kernel]

ye

absolutely no shot

dont need talent points to uncap

[rotund zodiac]

or softcap after 8 targets

[cedar kernel]

yea

[wintry solar]

Yall put the crawfish in the pasta with the shell?

[cedar kernel]

its not pasta

[wintry solar]

You know what I mean

[cedar kernel]

its the instant noodle

yea but u have to wash it

to very clean

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[wintry solar]

The trick to peeling them easily is grow your thumb nail out and sharpen it

[cedar kernel]

well we use gloves

[hollow thunder]

nah we will get like SS does 5% more damage per point spent, but BF Target count is reduced by 1, also you are now forced to track 4 more ablities and hold vanish until you get the secret 3rd charge, which increases Subterfurge by 0,5sec

[cedar kernel]

we have tools for it even

[wintry solar]

We do it barehanded so we can feel the seasoning in our cuts

The guys do

[cedar kernel]

i believe u can

[sullen wyvern]

please let me live in my happy place

[cedar kernel]

uh search some vedio about it in youtube

[sullen wyvern]

[cedar kernel]

to make one spicy as funk

[stiff vector]

I think ive decided I hate gambit

[wintry solar]

You can. I do it all the time

It's the only way I do it really

[cedar kernel]

[hollow thunder]

why? because monk tank outdamaging us in first pull?

[scarlet drum]

When do you roll the bones in the opener if you use the cancelaura macro for stealth and adrenaline rush + GS?

[cedar kernel]

oh wait brothers

i did a 85 score in Gambit last night

[wintry solar]

Us

[cedar kernel]

🤝

we are chinese tomelvis band

[stiff vector]

well not just that youre useless the entire first half of gambit, but its also just fucking melee hell...fucking massive blue swirlies just getting shit out constantly to the point where you just cant even be positioned well for BF

[cedar kernel]

but havent found a good healer yet

[stiff vector]

like why the fuck are they god damn 20y fucking blue swirlies and why are they casted every 5 seconds, outside of blizzard purposely trying to grief melee

[digital linden]

its a ritual forge angle right? (for sub) i already have myth head and netherprism

[hollow thunder]

real shit, same with the nets on ground in ara kara`

[cedar kernel]

arakara's number making it hard this season

i would say arakara and halls is the hardest

this season

[heavy shadow]

Guess sac without simming

Got speed on it too

[hollow thunder]

take that mastery neck

and get out of the 8target hell

[lone spear]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[delicate seal]

lily angle probably

[wintry solar]

[strong flicker]

pfffffff

[delicate seal]

warpclaw angle

[strong flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-777-gif-8020913471856136218

I'm thinking about getting sigil or shoes

[fathom bramble]

there's not much competition with other specs for the sigil, and the shoes are a fairly common drop

warpclaw and then just praying for the item out of raid could be a better play

[wintry solar]

Is there a hearthstone toy in this raid?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[wintry solar]

Sweet

[quaint mauve]

sim it, if it’s not an upgrade enjoy ur socket

[brazen lava]

Guys do we use pistol shot in rotation? No right?

[quaint mauve]

??? yes what

fth procs

[quaint mauve]

?

[wintry solar]

Bro HATES having energy

[brazen lava]

Hahahaha

[quaint mauve]

bro is pressing dry ss as his only builder

[strong flicker]

it sounds like a plan, but the chance of getting a sigil with my guild is like 0.1%

[wintry solar]

Based tbh

Dude carves his own path

I bet he plays stealthless HO

[quaint mauve]

0 fth build :0

[wintry solar]

What a guy

[quaint mauve]

never press ps

[pastel cedar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/dhpvZcfXY1RjD8ak/aP2QwyKFtTAr3MGf?fight=3%2C2&type=damage-done&comparesearchmetric=dps&source=13%2CYithra

how did this guy do 1m more dps than me (i have removed ambush from my stealth bar so ignore that lol)

we casted almost everything the same amount but his avg cast just did more damage on every ability

[vivid vessel]

you didnt pot, you didnt flask, and you are using sacbrood which has no main stats

also the ambushes wont help

he also have 10k more agility than you

[pastel cedar]

Strange the sac brood simmed higher than my idol in ST, ill ditch it for my idol then

[vivid vessel]

i mean it can sim higher

but it still has less main stat

so yuor abilities will do less damage in return for a trinket that does more damage itself

but hte biggest descrepancy is prolly just gear in this case

the fact he has 10k more agi than you

his gear is just better

also use consumables cuh

[trim hound]

what the cringe

do i js lowkey go araz for sub or

doom n go sac

[wintry gate]

yo, does netherprism not share a cd with 2min trinkets?

[lime lake]

it gets the 20s cd you get whenever you have two on uses

so if you press a 2m trinket you cant use prism for 20s after that

and vice versa

[rotund zodiac]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[brazen lava]

How's this? 12 flood

[digital linden]

lowk the sac is really nice

i got araz in my vault ended up bagging it

[inland acorn]

I mean... what do you want us to say ? It's details damage breakdown

[light kernel]

do u roll on opener before new macro or after

in raid

[inland acorn]

after

you roll after GS, before BtE

[light kernel]

ikik just cringe

thx tho

[lost condor]

sheessh trink

[hollow creek]

Whats best in the long run unyealdin or ara kara trink both sim the same

[hollow creek]

What is the new macro?

[torpid fiber]

check newest pin

[vivid dune]

this might be a stupid question and i apologize in advance if so but how much time would it take to become competent at trickster outlaw? ive been focused on learning how to play the dagger specs first since im newer to wow raiding but i feel like i should be good at every spec my class has and due to the soul hunters situation i feel compelled to get good at outlaw before this patch ends

like would playing it in farm keys be fine or is it one of those things that you have to play in challenging content to really learn

i prog soul hunters on thurs so i probably cannot learn outlaw well enough to overcome the gear diff (i have 723 dagger) but i want to be good at this spec by the time farm is over because i feel stupid not being competent at every rogue spec

not sure if the liquid situation with it is an exaggeration or if its actually that hard to play decently

[torpid fiber]

it's definitely learnable and imo playing it on farm content is probably good enough to learn it, it's more a reps spec than that much else (beyond knowing how to greed with mobi etc)

[vivid vessel]

what is the liquid situation

[vivid dune]

imexile said this spec is bis on soul hunters but im not good enough to play it im tagging in daizr

and then daizr said im not good enough to play it im tagging in imexile

[vivid vessel]

ah ye

well they were right

[vivid dune]

i see

[vivid vessel]

i think you only play outlaw on soul hunter if you are a one trick outlaw

[vivid dune]

yeah im not

but i want to be able to play every rogue spec well eventually

so i want to learn it before midnight comes out even if im playing subtlety on soul hunter prog

[wintry gate]

i only play outlaw on prog if and only if i need to be mainly target swapping alot and that's only if our comp or players are just being lazy to switch to prio adds

[tender breach]

is it wise when the escalating blade stacks reach 3 to hold the empower pistol shot to use it after the 1st coupe to go to second?

[wintry gate]

otherwise i ussually just stick to the other two specs depending on fight

[vivid dune]

i dont want to ever tell my officers "im not good enough to play this spec my class has" again

i felt so bad saying that

[vivid vessel]

well in this case

[wintry gate]

you also have to consider gearing is completely different for outlaw vs the other two so it depends if they're giving you the stuff or not

[vivid vessel]

world first raiders said it

so its alright

[vivid dune]

ok but i dont care

[vivid vessel]

the boss is just very hard mechanically for melees

[vivid dune]

i want to become good at rogue

so i need to learn it

[vivid vessel]

Ye go for it

[vivid dune]

but yeah i probably wont play it on prog at least

just curious if theoretically

[vivid vessel]

I just wouldn't recommend playing outlaw on this boss unless one trick

[vivid dune]

if i played it for all my farm keys and some reclears and put alot of effort into it

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Maybe

[vivid dune]

if i could get good enough at it to be able to play it in soul hunters prog in 12.0

if they ran it back

[vivid vessel]

ye

prolly

[vivid dune]

ok ty

i will attempt it then

[vivid vessel]

it is certainly not one of the easy outlaw bosses tho

[vivid dune]

yeah i think im progging it on sub 1000%

[vivid vessel]

can play outlaw on fractilus tho

easy outlaw boss

[vivid dune]

oh true

sin is mind numbing on that guy

[vivid vessel]

and its as good as other specs prolly

[wintry gate]

sin is mind numbing on everything

[vivid dune]

i cooked up a cool minmax cd sequence and it did less dam for me than just hitting things off cd like an ape

sin is so evil

[wintry gate]

its consistent at least mostly that's only reason i stick to it on prog lol

and its also more versatile than sub

with consistent damage

[vivid dune]

ty

is it like normal for most rogues to not know how to play outlaw

[wintry gate]

vast majority of rogues are one trick ponies

[vivid dune]

i imagined a mage saying sorry i cant play fire and i felt so much shame i immediately felt compelled to learn outlaw

[delicate seal]

yea but heroic sigil vs mythic warp

could literally even get it out of timewalking chest occasionally

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[vivid dune]

i see

[vivid vessel]

officially under sub on fractilus thoughts

[vivid dune]

i want to one trick rogue until i have mastered the class and become really really good

but i need to be able to play outlaw then i think

[delicate seal]

hunters are balanced

[acoustic epoch]

The deviation on hunter is huge wtf

[vivid vessel]

[acoustic epoch]

Rng spec surely

[wintry gate]

outlaw = rng spec but it doesn tdo that 🙁

[delicate seal]

you see

[vivid vessel]

most one trick rogues dont play outlaw

tbf

[delicate seal]

outlaw only rngs bad

[quiet root]

yeah that is a wide-ass bar

[sweet badge]

You can rng to be even worse

[vivid vessel]

cause outalw is always bad in raid

[wintry gate]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

litteraly always

[vivid dune]

ok but if its not again and i cant play it i will never be able to live with myself

[acoustic epoch]

Monkey paw, midnight makes outlaw smoother, it's good now but soulless

It could happen

[sweet badge]

But every season you get simbait andies asking if outlaw will be the best spec in raid

[wintry solar]

What does a soulless outlaw look like?

[acoustic epoch]

SS and dispatch only

[wintry solar]

There's never EVER been a bad outlaw

Ever

[vivid dune]

also from the advanced section of the faq is the stuff in there roughly in the order i should try implementing it in

[quiet root]

i'm a bad outlaw 🙂

[vivid dune]

after im comfortable with the basic rotation

[wintry solar]

Bad outlaw iteration

[vivid vessel]

no not really

its just more advanced stuffs

in random order

[vivid dune]

oh ok

[wintry solar]

Lots of bad outlaws

[vivid dune]

ill just spin a wheel and pick something then

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel

what do i take...

[stiff glade]

[wintry solar]

Not bad, just uninformed

[stiff glade]

What a vault

[wintry gate]

i had two belts in mine 🙁

[vivid vessel]

panties

[polar niche]

So this season we ff?

[vivid vessel]

714 panties kinda goated always

[quiet root]

idk if that's true, i think i need practice more than information

[dreamy sphinx]

what would you guys recommend me picking? new to outlaw, no 4p yet. should i just pick a setpiece + catalyse another item?

(legs got leech on them aswell if that matters)

[fathom holly]

what stats does the ring have

[dreamy sphinx]

crit haste

but im at 20% haste already

[torpid fiber]

you gotta be flexible with your gear;
ring is probably better in the longterm but set is probably better now

[dreamy sphinx]

thanks!

[torpid fiber]

haste cap sucks but it means you generally keep your old gear unless it's a huge ilevel gap

bc you want to be able to adjust what you're using in case you get a big upgrade elsewhere that has haste

[young elbow]

Does anybody know why i often(every 6-8th cast) get no subterfuge after vanish? I have looked at the general stealthbugs, but the trinket one does not show up in my logs

[torpid fiber]

trinket is the only one i know of for that

[weary fog]

can u post the log?

or do u have trinket macro'd into something else

[young elbow]

I have a log review thread for it

No trinket macroed

[dreamy sphinx]

noted! thank you!

[narrow atlas]

is there any youtuber like azor for hunters--for outlaw? really wanna learn but this spec feels super hard

[tropic zephyr]

idk about yt but #outlaw-faq really is well written and can help you learn the spec smoothly with the simplified rotation list

[proven ocean]

Ragebaited

[proven ocean]

Not bad which one u pick..

[vivid vessel]

antenna prolly

[vivid vessel]

what do i pick @keen belfry

[proven ocean]

@proper veldt yo yo

u told me there is a graphic settings for omega fps

which one is it

@vivid vessel

head is with a socket what the helly do i do

[cedar kernel]

fang of alcruux

[vivid vessel]

take head for sure

[proven ocean]

we got cata this week too ye

[glass timber]

if anyone has time?:)

[lime lake]

head is 2 for 1 vault value holy

big socket

[proven ocean]

we got a cata?

[dreamy sphinx]

may i ask you for help as what to pick aswell?

[proven ocean]

or

[lime lake]

ye

cata this week

[strong flicker]

xdd

[sonic pawn]

thoughts ? bit of a tough one

[proper veldt]

its only for 40+ series cards though

ur frame rate in game will show as half of the max frame rate cap you set here

but its actually at the cap

all micro stutter gone for real its kinda op

[digital linden]

i swear the new fatebound tech we have got has raised the avg rtb uptime by tons no?

anyone else experiencing the same?

[proven ocean]

crazy

[digital linden]

that one hand is devious

[latent oak]

second week of seeing sacbrood lmao

[long barn]

So we should enable smooth motion? Is there a way to check if you don’t have Nvidia experience enabled.

[proper veldt]

yeah I suggest feels very good

nvidia experience is always enabled

cap ur fps in nvidia app to this

[long barn]

Nvidia experience has to be installed no?

[proper veldt]

yeah

[long barn]

Cause I definitely don’t have it

[proper veldt]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/software/nvidia-app/

[long barn]

I was hoping you could change it in the control panel without adding the experience piece

But I can just install it

[proper veldt]

ah like that actually lemme check

cant need to install the app yeah

[long barn]

Does this fix the stutter when we vanish and the crudgle hits

[proper veldt]

it fixes literally all stutter for me, also when flying around in dornogal

[long barn]

I’ll give it a shot. I have a 5090

[worthy thunder]

@vivid vessel , (Sorry for @) how do your buffs and debuffs next to your map have the same borders as your Weakaurs?

And how do you show your enchants/gems on your char screen?

[final grail]

Hey guys I've been using Hekili lately and I wonder if it's really accurate for outlaw rogue, anyone has a clue ?

[proper veldt]

same yeah, actually lmk if I'm not just delusional

[long barn]

Kk

[proper veldt]

I think its huge

[vivid vessel]

they dont have a border

my icons are skinned

[worthy thunder]

Oh how can I do this?

[vivid vessel]

Hm

Well

Idk I made a script that add a skin to the icons directly

Like I download these high ress icons you know

[proper veldt]

https://github.com/kodewdle/IconPacks

there's a guide how to install anyways

[next thunder]

Should I just expect to get bis dagger OH (why the hell is dagger bis in the first place for OH?) - or drop 60 crests on crafting a 720 sword/dagger

[vivid vessel]

And then I run my lil script and get a black vignette on them

[worthy thunder]

Thank you boss

[worthy thunder]

Thank you my friend

[proper veldt]

wait you modified the icons even further?

[vivid vessel]

Well

The ones you sent aren't updated anymore

• they were lower rez

[proper veldt]

wtf scammed !

[vivid vessel]

I take the of high rez ones

[proper veldt]

I thought I had zac ui

[vivid vessel]

And run a script on them

[worthy thunder]

What ones you rocking zac?

And what’s the script per chance?

[vivid vessel]

https://github.com/AcidWeb/Clean-Icons-Mechagnome-Edition/releases/tag/11.2.0.62417-V5-1 well these ones

They are the og ones

But ye they aren't darkened

Like mines

Idk I can share the script when I get home

You need phyton

Python

[worthy thunder]

Thank you my friend, appreciate it

[past sky]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[dense bolt]

[hasty warren]

BIS hand no ?

I olready have hero tier pants

[delicate saffron]

!tier

oh we dont have those

[young elbow]

By chance could you find something?

[hasty warren]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[hasty warren]

someone have weapon swap wa ?

[daring oxide]

wait i didnt know smooth motion was a thing, is it really that good?

[warped tide]

how we feel about Chaotic nethergate from delves? it did 600mil in my last key

[proper veldt]

yeah its new

its their frame generation implementation that you can use in any game

basically for games that didnt support it natively yet

works great

they just added it for 40 series graphic cards too a week ago or something

[proven ocean]

oh thats super interesting

its alot more clear to me now that it does work

[meager idol]

Just from reading pins and knowing history of Outlaw from prev. seasons, not only I get carpal tunnel, also brain aneurysm trying to memorize timings and all the nitty griddy to min max this spec. Reminds me of Amirdrassil Sub

[proven ocean]

the spec is harder than any spec by alot

its like

a huge gap

between outlaw and any 2nd hardest spec in the game

[meager idol]

Like its fun to play, but to min max. Ye bro, I pass.

[vivid vessel]

Wdym zeross 2

How you doing cuh

[proven ocean]

good

you

zac 2

[light kernel]

wait i have a cook for a name "zacross"

[proven ocean]

oh

hes zeross 2

wtf

[meager idol]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[meager idol]

chillin in the crib cuh

[cosmic yoke]

wow

[proven ocean]

someone found gordon ramsay in wow

💀

[vivid vessel]

💀

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[wintry solar]

Hello

[hasty warren]

how are u @wintry solar

[dim fern]

Is it rng to get a 691 cudgel offhand? I see some 678 some 691

[hasty warren]

y

[mighty pivot]

yes you can get a better one from the weekly

[dim fern]

Oh alright thanks

[heavy shadow]

#showtooltip 17
/equipslot 17 Nightfall Curseblade's Cudgel
/equipslot 17 Capo's Molten Knuckles

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel streaming today?

[dim fern]

My rogue still prev season gear i need to fix it a little now

[wintry solar]

Very good. My work week is over in 30 minutes

Then I'll get 7 days off

[heavy shadow]

Hi all, just reading the current pin about GS. Can someone explain why we need the cancel aura part of the macro? I have just been using AR into BTE on pull, what have I missed by not having it?

I currently have GS macrod to BTE and Disp, I guess I should remove it from Disp too

[hasty warren]

pog

[wintry solar]

So much gaming

I wish I could play 2 games at a time

[vivid vessel]

Ye but raid again, if you want keys you will have to wait weekends till prog is over basically

[gaunt phoenix]

because bugs, you open with AR+GS at the same time to get 6 of both coins, then your next flip is guaranteed to make one of them a 7

You cancelaura because if AR breaks stealth you don't get extra coins, so you cancel it first

Even if you put ghostly strike first in the macro im not sure it will always happen before AR so the cancel is safe

[strong halo]

For about trickster do you macro too?

In m+ basically

[gaunt phoenix]

No trickster doesn't have coins

[strong halo]

So no point in macroing GS NICE

[wintry solar]

Speaking of idk how much of a dps loss this is but I never press GS out of adr

It's such an energy sink and makes me cry almost irl

[strong halo]

I thought the rule was on CD

[wintry solar]

It is

[willow portal]

i dont want to take the stone idol but it feels wasted not to take it

what do i do

[wintry solar]

But after GS and a single SS, your energy is gone

[strong halo]

Eww who shows numbers instead of %

[mighty pivot]

stone idol is good in dungeons despite the cringe cast time

[strong halo]

Is this dslice or St

[heavy shadow]

For ease of use is it not worth macroing GS into BTE even for trickster?

[willow portal]

i know but i dont wanna cast it in dungeon

[willow portal]

st

[mighty pivot]

well if you cba then don't take it

[willow portal]

this is dslive

[mighty pivot]

it's just that easy

[strong halo]

Well I guess you don’t really have an alternative

Do you do m+ or raid more lol

[covert kestrel]

Outlaw has not many binds at all, it will never be optimal to macro it for trickster (or in general before the most recent optimization for fb)

[covert kestrel]

Harvesters Edict is the goat

[tribal cosmos]

Outlaw is getting an overhaul

Rework

Pog

[digital linden]

wdym

[heavy shadow]

I am wondering if using these macros on my finishers has meant my dps is lower though. I never really thought about it. If you have a macro to cast GS and then a finisher, do you need to press that button twice or is once enough?

[strong halo]

Meh edict is like worst than 5 trinkets

[tribal cosmos]

Interview said they are looking at unholy, outlaw ect

[wintry solar]

Nah, just KIR deletion

[tribal cosmos]

For lowering their requirement of wa

[long barn]

Really? It never sims good for me

[digital linden]

recent one or one we have seen?

[strong halo]

It’s not great. There’s a lot of better trinkets, I personally wouldn’t take edict from vault

[tribal cosmos]

Recent

Look at bellular

[strong halo]

Surprised there was no tuning this week but I guess they have to go through bug fixes first

[long barn]

I have a mythic Warpclaw and it just feels bad in 14+ dungeons.

[strong halo]

Why?

[long barn]

The big pulls it like falls off

[tribal cosmos]

S o does outlaw

[strong halo]

I used mythic warpclaw + heroic sigil

[tribal cosmos]

[long barn]

I was doing like 20 mil pulls with cursed and pacemaker

[strong halo]

Sigil feels weak imo

[long barn]

It was beautiful

[strong halo]

Well cursed is goated apparently

But that cast must feel like dogshit

[long barn]

Cursed is really good if you time it right. If you can wait for all the mobs to group up, pop it, and then KS.., it’s legit gold

[digital linden]

heartbreaker honestly

[long barn]

I hate this tier. UB just blows

SS forced blows

Clunky as shit. I’m on the ropes to wish for season 2 back and deal with old KS

[tight kernel]

Boys. Do I send FB for keys

[long barn]

No

[tight kernel]

Nono hear me out

[long barn]

Ok. What level keys

[digital linden]

nah lowk there is potential

[tight kernel]

If you’re not brining a funnel spec, most packs you pull on to boss die early

Then rest is just pure ST fight

Unless you keep pulling for funnel then yeah play trickers and cancel bf

Other than that FB should theoretically win

I mean sims are weird cause dslice assumes every boss is st fight

[long barn]

You’ll be doing like 7-8 mil on 20+ mob pulls

[tight kernel]

So fb wins in dslice but idk that isn’t realistic if you’re playing with funnel specs

Yeah but that’s fine

When you’re doing prio dmg

Which is what matters

Not aoe padding

[long barn]

Ok. You saying the argument is that you just bringing ST boss dmg to the key

[tight kernel]

My argument is that prio damage matters more than pc padding.. yes

[long barn]

If your going to be the prio person I think Sub wins that argument

[tight kernel]

Well we aren’t sub

We are outlaw

[long barn]

But I see your point

[tight kernel]

I’m speaking from outlaw perspective

You’re target capped already so 20+ pull irrelevant

[long barn]

Prio dmg outlaw lollll

[gaunt phoenix]

Fb doesn't get more prio

[tight kernel]

No I mean during boss or mini boss

[cedar kernel]

gm solo

[tight kernel]

Once adds are dead you kinda shine

[cedar kernel]

wait solo did u just slept for 6 hrs

[tight kernel]

Like yeah you take aoe loss but shine in st

Taz keys I can see fb working

[long barn]

I’m just saying your theory there’s a lot of classes and rogue specs that do that better. I’m not sure it fits. But interesting angle 📐

[tight kernel]

Dawn you can’t really bring funnel to first and lass boss

Can maybe add funnel to 2nd boss

So fb would in theory be better in dawn

[digital linden]

i cant imagine how annoying that dungeon is with fb

coin lost between first boss and miniboss

[gaunt phoenix]

Well coin proc rate is pretty high anyway

[tight kernel]

Gambit is pretty st

Can’t really funnel those bosses either

[digital linden]

ye i dont think fb is the move for all keys but a couple will be nice prob

its got potential

:D

[long barn]

Why not just run 2 FTH

[red zinc]

What happened to gambit like

[long barn]

That’s a more ST trickster

[red zinc]

I swear in SL it had some of the highest overalls and packs took long asf

[strong halo]

Gambit kind of ass on all specs

Maybe not sub

[red zinc]

guess these new fish sticks make packs take way shorter

dont do shit

[grim spear]

quite a technique.

[strong halo]

Maybe I’m high but I swear this tier bosses feel like they take forever

[digital linden]

fractillius

on heroic

😴

[strong halo]

Nah I’m talking m+ bosses

Gambit murlock section used to be so fun

Now it’s over in a second

[digital linden]

maybe, i havent pushed yet but in 10's it hasnt been egregious enough that i even paid mind to it

[real shoal]

are they planning to fix that blade flurry bug where u cant do old content cuz it doesnt cleave?

[polar niche]

So nightfall curseblade it’s good? I should farm all week for the bag one?

[grim spear]

no i wont do that, it feels stupid

[strong halo]

You can only get 691 from weekly quest

So you do once and be secretly happy you don’t have to weapon swap again

[gaunt phoenix]

its either weekly bag or vendor, no farming

[grim spear]

vendor?

[strong halo]

You can buy a 678 version from vendor

With the coin you get

[grim spear]

.

[strong halo]

Only mythic weapon beats 678 in my sims so

[digital linden]

And it was good enough to keep until myth track offhand right?

Cooked

[strong halo]

It was for me

[next lava]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[strong halo]

I crafted off hand 😎

I can’t be the only one half hoping to not get the mace when I do nightfall

[proven ocean]

@proper veldt

how do i enable this

[digital linden]

does any of this matter for radeon gamers

[proven ocean]

idk

but its apparently huge for wow from what max is saying

requires rtx 40 series+gpu

[strong halo]

Does this help or hurt fps

I had 20 fps in a 30 man heroic raid yesterday with a 4070.

Nice game

[wintry solar]

We'll still have crackshot, so it's not like it really matters. It'll play more or less the same.

[inland cairn]

gpu doesnt affect raid much

wow is a very cpu bound game

[proven ocean]

nah

this apparently makes gpu really matter

so

i wanna see it myself first tho

[inland cairn]

yeah i mean i just dont believe that

[proven ocean]

its simple

its frame generation

but works on all unsupported games

so in theory this should be insane

theres nothing to not believe about its just a matter if it really functions or not

[inland cairn]

frame generation gets worse the lower the base frame rate

and also doesnt help with input responsiveness

[proven ocean]

thats pretty much inexistent with modern pc's

u never have base low fps

[inland cairn]

are you sure lol

[proven ocean]

i dont lag in 40 raid groups

so

[strong halo]

I mean most people match cpu and gpu power, it’s kinda weird we get these crazy variances.

[proven ocean]

unless u have a 2010 pc

u will lag

[inland cairn]

i get 30-40fps in raid

with a 4080

[proven ocean]

2025 pc's are crazy good

[inland cairn]

[proven ocean]

whats ur cpu

[inland cairn]

12700k

[proven ocean]

ye figured

that cpu sucks balls in wow

[inland cairn]

im painfully aware

[strong halo]

What you using

[inland cairn]

but thats what im saying, gpu doesnt help at all

[strong halo]

Ross

[inland cairn]

even if its a monster

[proven ocean]

9800x3d is like

gonna destroy 40 man raids

if u have oen

its gg

7800x3d is also giga good

i use 7800 atm

[proven ocean]

with that tech it might

[proven ocean]

7800

[inland cairn]

ive been considering going to a 9800 for a bit

intel kinda shitting the bed rn

[proven ocean]

u cant just buy 9800 btw

[strong halo]

Fak might switch to AMD

[proven ocean]

u have to buy a new motherboard

and a new ram

[inland cairn]

ofc

[proven ocean]

so

[inland cairn]

im not stupid

[proven ocean]

ur buying 3 new things

[inland cairn]

haha

[proven ocean]

well

if u need a new cpu

[strong halo]

I also play rust and that game has like fps issues I get 160 there which is insane. But wow …

[proven ocean]

9800x3d is giga

for all games

legit all games

anything unoptimized

amd fixeds

i wanna see this frame gen tho

been waiting for it a long time now

[strong halo]

I think I have same one tbh, shit cooks all other games tho

[proper veldt]

you just press on? xd

in nvidia app

does the setting not show for you?

[inland cairn]

yeah wow is just uniquely shit for performance

[proven ocean]

no toggling option

i mean i dont have a 40 series gpu myself its just casualaddict

he has one

im trying to enable it for him

[proper veldt]

he needs to install the new firmware iirc

lemme check sec

does he have latest installed

changelog says it adds support for 40 series gpus

[hasty warren]

Are my stats good ?
28.26% crit
18.94% haste (i'm goblin so maybe it's ok idk)
22.60% mastery
33.37% vers

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix solo is a goblin too

[hasty warren]

oh for real ?

[proven ocean]

no cappy no cappy

[hasty warren]

goblin pirate brother

[proven ocean]

yeye

[granite merlin]

Soooz question about having two French eviscerates

[vivid vessel]

frame gen is so fake

i sdont get it

horrible feature

[proven ocean]

zac

[kindred mango]

hey, do we rebuild combo point for the 4 set's second coup de grace or do we just send it and it remembers the first one dps wise ?

[proven ocean]

dont talk about gpu's

[proper veldt]

actually coping

[proven ocean]

u have a gtx 1080

[granite merlin]

Once I send one I am supposed to blade flurry, pistol shot, ad rush before using second coup

[proven ocean]

literal worst gpu

in the world

like

[vivid vessel]

180ti

[proven ocean]

gtx 1080 is prob before wow was invented

[granite merlin]

This is my same question lol

[proven ocean]

like the ti is gonna help cuh what the helly

[vivid vessel]

1080 ti is legit the goat of gpus

last time a gpu was good

[proven ocean]

ye but

old

so ye

i mean

all gpus are now good

rtx 5090 is crazy

[vivid vessel]

frame gen is still fake

you have the same or less *input fps

which is prolly one of the most important part

for a game to feel smooth

idk

[kindred mango]

my brain says to rebuild the points but it seems to do dps based on the last hit but i can't figure this out myself i aint smart enough ^^''

[proper veldt]

nah it makes a big difference

i literally use it rn in wow

its huge tbh

[vivid vessel]

noob

[proper veldt]

coping fr

[granite merlin]

I have been casting ad rush, pistol once, blade flurry and then just sending from there

Need someone smaaat to chime in

[kindred mango]

i tended to coup,flurry coup to maximize easy combo point during combat

but idk if i am just wasting points or not

[granite merlin]

I seem to sometimes send at like 3 or 4 though if nothing up

[vivid vessel]

i do more dps

so i have more fps

[proven ocean]

not true..

[vivid vessel]

works together buddy

[proven ocean]

what

brother

[vivid vessel]

it is lol

[proven ocean]

new gpu's have way less fps input

what

bro

theres fps latency

u know that?

[inland cairn]

frame gen is just making an extra frame and putting it inbetween real frames

it is a fake frame, not from the game

but from the gpu

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel no cappy like

it does matter in input but

its really really really minor

[vivid vessel]

frame gen doesnt help with input fps

[proven ocean]

frame gen maybe ye idk how it works

[vivid vessel]

its worse for input fps if anything

[proven ocean]

but actual fps like

gpu to gpu