outlaw

[quaint sable]

ur reshii is haste. Can swap to verse.

[proven ocean]

He basically lost them rwf

[civic zephyr]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iPvr5BeCSjDPcMrFEhaeNd anyone give input? its either antenna or catalyst myth pants... i have a myth helm too but i just havent spent crests to upgrade them pass hero track lvls

[quaint mauve]

WTFFFF

how did i

not see that

[frail veldt]

bro

solo said that

[proven ocean]

WTFFFF

[copper radish]

Sin channel must be slow rn

[quaint mauve]

didnt see

bro

my haste is basically perfect for my m+ set up now

[frail veldt]

gamer

[quaint mauve]

21% tho on raid

:p

holy why did i have haste on cloak

[violet ferry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint mauve]

my dslice sim went up so much wtf

[frank finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlotxSFtIF8

outlaw mentioned

[glass mortar]

me when i manage to make a video with that title with absolutely zero actual gameplay changes for midnight revealed

[copper radish]

Don’t tease us like that

[quaint mauve]

bro it feels like i have so much mastery and its literally only tier and void hunter boots

[buoyant cosmos]

The content must flow

[vivid vessel]

bellular videos

[glass mortar]

respect the grind

its always funny to see video titles tho

[frank finch]

bellular - " lets hope rogues get the love they deserve thsi time around "

[glass mortar]

i dont consume warcraft slop on youtube so i never get this stuffs in my algo

[buoyant cosmos]

Goldie locked is good

Most of the new stuff is using OSRS ideas and it's working out

[dawn talon]

bellular just be making shit up

[proven ocean]

zac — 11:51 PM
bellular videos

wjhy

sis my emote different than zacy..

[glass mortar]

oh you know what, i am watching the goldie locked series

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[glass mortar]

that got recommended to me because of all the osrs stuff i watch i think tho

i have no other warcraft stuff recommended ever

[snow viper]

Isn't that what he's been doing since Shadow lands?

[dawn talon]

yeah

he just uploads super slop

[buoyant cosmos]

Same

[copper radish]

“Blizzard moving away from us relying on weak auras…” and sounds like roll the bones could change

[quaint mauve]

if i can’t find parking at my uni and im already late bc of it

do i just go back home

like

idk

[buoyant cosmos]

There's a guy doing dungeonlocked too

[white marten]

Huge rogue rework in Midnight

[buoyant cosmos]

Just park someone in

Ez

[copper radish]

Bye bye random bones and tracking them

[white marten]

Inb4 Outlaw rogue is just fury war 2.0

[copper radish]

2 hander DWing outlaw

[drowsy ridge]

I know we aren't going to get it, but I'd love OG Combat spec back, with Pistol Shot replacing Throw

[austere mantle]

chefs kiss

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry can you help me chose ?

[copper radish]

One of the top full set mogs 🔥

[keen belfry]

sure

[copper radish]

Skulkers most def

[random stirrup]

why was whospar in subtlety chat

[vivid vessel]

suspect right

[copper radish]

What did we do before simc

[covert kestrel]

Yell about stat weights

[jolly geyser]

shadowcraft

[quaint sable]

everyone just tried to get exact bis

[ripe ibex]

dude literally they were doing construction blocking like the whole campus and i was late on the first day

[buoyant cosmos]

Mmomuble.shadowcraft

Throwback

[jolly geyser]

yee

[buoyant cosmos]

Let's bring back reforging

[compact narwhal]

when yall send 2nd coupe? just got 4pc this week

[copper radish]

Titan forged

[still matrix]

is the ritual forge gigga bad for outlaw?

[copper radish]

Then we can prayer for a better ilvl drop than someone else

[buoyant cosmos]

B2b

[compact narwhal]

sweet, tyvm!

[buoyant cosmos]

You build for it if you aren't wasting unseen blade

So fth/BF

[buoyant cosmos]

Cursed

[compact narwhal]

is there any more info on this to optimize? never really deep dived into it for hero talent, just go to faq? also is something i should be tracking?

[nova tapir]

does netherprism share cd with other trinks, even though itself doesnt have a cd?

[buoyant cosmos]

There's a WA for it if you type !wa

And the outlaw faq has tons of info

[compact narwhal]

ye i see, have LE set

reading now ty again!

[buoyant cosmos]

Np

[compact narwhal]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[quaint sable]

if u have a sequence coup then ks come back do u ks and then insta into the second coup I assume instead of coup -> coup -> ks

[buoyant cosmos]

It's what I've been doing, seems like a waste to not use that restless blades cdr

[quaint sable]

Is what I have been doing too tho does cut it close tho sometimers to losing 2nd coup

[buoyant cosmos]

I was just wondering if that sequence is from misplay or just comes up often

[quaint sable]

since there is rng on unseen blade gain it def comes up time to time

[hybrid crown]

does leech have like a hard DR to it

I feel like I have a lot but it's like 5%

[rotund haven]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[glossy pewter]

is trinket tuning implemented to sims/ does it change anything?

[violet ferry]

the real trinkets are the friends you make while in M+

[tight kernel]

based declined tbh

[frail veldt]

"this is not speculation" proceeds to speculate for 15 minutes

[fathom bramble]

5% wouldn't hit the old DR which I'm not sure is in the game anymore

leech just gives very little % per rating

[craggy barn]

wtf

this game REALLY wants me to have db trinket

[grizzled heron]

would appreciate if someone really cool could have a gander at this, I'll give you 100 gold and a chicken egg in runescape

[hybrid crown]

oh man HO was simming much closer to KIR with 2/2 or full old 4 set. the difference is much higher with the new 4 set

[frail veldt]

are you using the new cook build?

[hybrid crown]

in ST it was like 8.5%

uhh

[frail veldt]

apparently SC sleight is ahead

[hybrid crown]

😮

[frail veldt]

by about 1-2%

ahead of old HO

[tender breach]

im trying to import the old HO with supervcharger and sleight from oulaw faq and says its from an old version

[frail veldt]

so it should be 4-5% behind kir

[tender breach]

how can I import it?

[gaunt phoenix]

oh fun

[hybrid crown]

I am doing a comparison now

[red zinc]

gotta lov when that happens even though nothing changes

[hybrid crown]

if the difference is low enough I might stay HO esp for like vault pug 10s

[gaunt phoenix]

try CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mZgZmZYGDzwMmZMzMmZmWmxsMDAAAAAA22mZmhZmxCsMLDAAAAzMDAGzmhhMwswCtwmB

[copper radish]

Know what would be cool for midnight? Dreadblades come back

[gaunt phoenix]

nope outlaw is not allowed new buttons it seems

[tender breach]

@gaunt phoenix thnxz

[gaunt phoenix]

it will be a passive that activates every 20s

[uncut furnace]

when do i use killing spree

[copper radish]

That would be sick

[uncut furnace]

i feel like that's the most dmging skill we have

[gaunt phoenix]

It's the highest priority finisher outside of stealth

[red zinc]

yo we get 20 seconds of AR every 20 seconds @gaunt phoenix thoughts?

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[hybrid crown]

man my tmog in raidbots looks dumb

it doesnt have the midnight pre order tmog in it

[tender breach]

@gaunt phoenix for old HO the only difference is the rolling rules? everything is standart trickster?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[proven ocean]

ypeyepypey

cuh

no cappy

sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[fathom whale]

Nah bring back rtb costing cp

[old gull]

man... do i get heeroic helm for insta 4pce, or mythic pants and convert and hope for helm to drop in raid tn

[fathom bramble]

sit on your vault and take nothing

[old gull]

:<

[copper radish]

Vault after raid >> unless u cant cause of fomo

[violet ferry]

Just think of how much fun 4 piece is though

you know you want to take that helm

[copper radish]

Bros gonna fold to the pressure 😭

[old gull]

[copper radish]

Benched tn for not having four piece for raid

[indigo token]

god

im trying fire mage out

what a horrible spec

you do everything right and you still do tank damage

[junior coral]

did you guys open you vault as outlaw lmao?

[frail veldt]

ye

[violet ferry]

yar

[frail veldt]

fuckadagger

[copper radish]

always

[violet ferry]

#CudgelCrew

[copper radish]

im saying this till we get another dagger like the sanctum of domain one

that thing was fun

[copper radish]

bout to go run this so i can wait another week to run this

[violet ferry]

Someone said that sin got a 15% nerf - any legitimacy to this claim?

[violet ferry]

Oh yeah, I ran it and was delighted to be informed that I, too, get to wait another week to run it!

[junior coral]

alright we ride out, outlaw it is!

[copper radish]

dont worry maybe by turbo boost they will add veteran level to the vendor

my vault choice is either tier helm or sigil trinket....

[frail veldt]

the bug fix to caustic spatter can be around that in very big pulls

[violet ferry]

waiting for 11.2.5 like

https://tenor.com/view/lamar-courmon-yessir-rubbing-hands-hand-rubbing-smile-gif-16865858

[frail veldt]

whispyr has a whole video on it

assa has an enormous amount of bugs

but the bottom line is that assa still performs quite well

[violet ferry]

don't say that!(

[frail veldt]

albeit not performing 30% better than the next spec

and yes their ST sucks

bugs are shitty and not fun but dont let the doomers trick you into thinking assa is bad

[tepid skiff]

@proven ocean the spec is bad!!!

yeluo back on top 🥱

[frail veldt]

unplayable even

only 10 mil

[mellow thicket]

What spec is yeluo playing?

[frail veldt]

he would have done 14 mil before

worst spec in the game

[vivid vessel]

assa so bad

[copper radish]

any1 make a WA yet that tells you to hold vanish for ghostly?

[quaint mauve]

i feel like i know where u go for some reason now

[south scaffold]

guys, theoretically for m+ . should i use 704 pacemaker or 704 soulbreaker?

[frail veldt]

simyoself

[gaunt phoenix]

just use pacemaker

soulbreaker is more of a st raid thing

[dawn talon]

dude i think sub will look worse and worse over time as pulltime goes up in these higher keys

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe in streets you can prefer the st

[frail veldt]

my pacemaker seems to be performing really poorly compared to a damaging trinket

maybe I have too much crit already or something

[daring yoke]

is the new trinket buffs/nerfs affects us?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya but soulbreaker is literal single target

[frail veldt]

but a 704 hero pace was only a 0.3% upgrade from a 681 geargrinders from last season

little disappointed

[gaunt phoenix]

not really

antenna maybe worth a sim instead of auto bis

Dimmy trinket is still weird in keys with no mainstat

[stiff vector]

Ye idk no way dimmy trinket is good in keys

[craggy barn]

bruh did talent tweaks ex get fucked or something

all my loadouts got giga fucked

[gaunt phoenix]

they did

they fucked them all

[craggy barn]

oof

[vivid vessel]

who fucked my talents ?

tf

[craggy barn]

i was using it just fine a minute it ago

[vivid vessel]

did you go and fuck my talents zomb

thats crazy

[craggy barn]

yea i fucked your talents

sabotage

ez

[vivid vessel]

you fucked my talents ??

[frail veldt]

wait wtf

they fucked talents

[strong flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/shane-boyle-299-birch-drive-rostock-racing-deer-club-oddkast-chocolate-gif-7604806897369123722

[vivid vessel]

who fucked your talents mewo

wait talents

who

[frail veldt]

what

im not online im working lol

[craggy barn]

solo i assume raidbots has the new trinket changes right

[gaunt phoenix]

The import strings

yes

[craggy barn]

fuck

i have to resim then i guess with that

or im misunderstanding

[wintry solar]

Mewo you should call the authorities

[burnt dragon]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red zinc]

my name is talents

wait uh

what

[junior coral]

Cudgel…I don’t have it

Can I still get it lol?

[burnt dragon]

is the antenna nerf live?

[violet ferry]

Do the weekly, hope for the cudgel at Veteran level
If you don't get it, then buy it with the token to get the Adventurer level

[proven ocean]

ye i was doing 10m day 1 bozo

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

9m on logs with an outlaw 2 mob at a time route

also

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

stop pinging me i got 2 hrs left on mission impossible movie

brb

[vivid vessel]

sin so op it can survive a 10% nerf

[frail veldt]

imagine

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

[frail veldt]

being so far ahead

youre still S tier

[proven ocean]

zac..

movie good

watch ok

[hexed frigate]

What’s the best single target talent build rn anyone know? I don’t trust the internet 😅

[frail veldt]

after being nerfed more than any other spec

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

SKIBIDI

[frail veldt]

rofl

[proven ocean]

zacskibidi

[vivid vessel]

CUUUUH

[proven ocean]

watch it no cappy

brb

[strong flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-cat-cute-eating-food-gif-27411763

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel @proven ocean hi

[wintry solar]

Tony Morello says hello

[vivid vessel]

@red zinc dont come tomorrow

[red zinc]

dont come where

or come in general

[vivid vessel]

dont come

[red zinc]

That might be a challenge

[vivid vessel]

[drowsy ridge]

My guild is doing a Yolo Normal tonight, I'll end up with logs. Would you guys mind tearing me apart aftewards so I can try and learn?

[red zinc]

Sure

[drowsy ridge]

Thank you!

[red zinc]

Looking at outlaw logs can be a bit iffy with how stuff is formatted but really significant mistakes can be picked out usually

[buoyant cosmos]

Getting some video clips can help too

[drowsy ridge]

I should download OBS for other reasons anyway, will do

[ripe ibex]

surely not

[quaint mauve]

california by any chance?

[ripe ibex]

no

[quaint mauve]

ah close

[ripe ibex]

whole otha coast

[quaint mauve]

my school was also having construction

[ripe ibex]

ah

[quaint mauve]

and that’s why i was getting fucked

so i assumed

[ripe ibex]

bro that shits annoying man

i like just transferred here too so i was just completely lost

[quaint mauve]

i got to class late , didn’t have my glasses , had to sit in the back, and i didn’t understand a thing

something something axial load

something something stress

idk

[buoyant cosmos]

you understand stress

[ripe ibex]

what’s your major

[quaint mauve]

mechanical engineering

[quaint mauve]

yeah when my adr is <5s

[strong flicker]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[ripe ibex]

that’s spooky

[quaint mauve]

it’s kinda whatever

until

finals week

then it’s hell

bc every prof here likes making their finals must pass

[buoyant cosmos]

I had a first year professor once who weighted the grades poorly, I was able to get a B+ without doing the final lol

[glass timber]

!log

if theres a kind soul that would look at these:) It's purely ST

[glass mortar]

....

2 myth track cata pieces and 3 raid tier pieces

all at once

[buoyant cosmos]

Full set in the vault is wild

chest angle?

[glass mortar]

yea chest and cata charge it ig

its funny its the last season bis chest too

[buoyant cosmos]

He knew his mission, to be this seasons bis as well.

[glass mortar]

god the stats on our tier chest r pretty hot tho

[buoyant cosmos]

But does it make you go faster?

[drowsy ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-purple-what-if-it-was-karlrove-pencil-gif-13697978

[craggy barn]

bro did they invalidate soulbinder

[strong flicker]

🐢

[craggy barn]

bro how

[glass mortar]

@gaunt phoenix did we ever determine if trinket changes actually went in

[drowsy ridge]

.0x% wipes are THE WORST

[buoyant cosmos]

Did someone get too many PI's?

[craggy barn]

wasnt a wipe

[buoyant cosmos]

Or was it just you singled out

[craggy barn]

idk

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tB9kGAPZxzJgKwbL?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=7

[buoyant cosmos]

Got shoulders with speed too, 160% move speed in stealth lol

[buoyant cosmos]

I think you can flag them for review

[craggy barn]

maybe canisters?

we failed to break 1

[pastel otter]

this should be a pretty nice sweet spot for stats right?

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

thoughts

[craggy barn]

its bc i fucked ur talents

all part of my plan

[stiff vector]

why do I feel like I know exactly what happened on this boss

[vivid vessel]

i mean nothing happened

jsut not great rng

[stiff vector]

ye

getting fucked by shit rolls+1fth, spamming SS until youre energy starved asking yourself if youre playing classic wow or retail

[vivid vessel]

idk zeross told me under bad circunstances sin does 0 st

if you come in boss with 0 cds

well outlaw if you low roll

does the same

[stiff vector]

the low roll with 1fth is a fucking miserable experience man

especially when you get triple fucked by rng, bad ace procs, fuck all CTO procs, multiple shit rolls in a row

[long barn]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[quaint mauve]

you just made me realize i have so much crit

[hasty warren]

4p tomorow 🙂

[pastel otter]

probably not a bad thing tho. if i had myth tier chest or even hero i would swap one of the other tier slots for big crit item

[worldly shale]

midnight rework when

[silk slate]

Is Fatebound or Trickster better for Outlaw?

[craggy barn]

focus cleave tech on soul hunters is funny

[quaint mauve]

18% vers.........

[midnight thorn]

!PREKEY

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[tender wedge]

i told someone in here that losing to prot war tank on an ST boss was a rite of passage and someone told me i was just bad so thanks for this

[muted chasm]

is warpclaw still worth? i assume its fine still

[copper radish]

another week and another miss on the 691 cudgel RIP

[vivid vessel]

np cuh

[stiff vector]

surely mid week buff coming for us now that RWF over, blozar just running late as usual

surely

[proven ocean]

outlaw joined the assa below tank on boss dmg @lavish zephyr

"HOW CAN A SPEC BE BELOW TANK NEVER EVER XDXDXD"

this guy argued for like 1 hr 💀 no cappy r1 keyboard warrior

@vivid vessel i finished mission impossible good movie

no cappy

[vague cape]

monka

[vivid vessel]

nice gg

[stiff vector]

who let zeross out of assa prison

[vivid vessel]

i got flamed by the tank cuase i was doing too low st @proven ocean

thoughts

this guy

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

HAHA

[proven ocean]

okok next time i see him in lfg i'll inv and flame on every mistake

as a revenge

no cappy

[vivid vessel]

bro that guy was so toxic

idk

[proven ocean]

ass

oh it did send ass wtf i thought my wifi went off

[vivid vessel]

ass

[proven ocean]

what the helly

lets investigate

how valid his toxicity is

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

💀

[vivid vessel]

💀

[proven ocean]

purple io last season 💀

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[vivid vessel]

nah he had a diff char i think

[proven ocean]

what char

lets check

ye idk wtf his other chars were

ah

i found him

ye i know this guy

his brain is fucked up

[vivid vessel]

oh

its vic

i dont think i ever played with him

[proven ocean]

he got pissed off cuz i kicked him for having a shitty geared vdh

when i was pushing last season

[vivid vessel]

thats funy

[proven ocean]

and i didnt give a shit

[vivid vessel]

idk bro i swear some m+ players

[proven ocean]

this guy is well known

to be toxic

[vivid vessel]

some huge ego that bring toxicity

like you

[proven ocean]

??

im not toxic

[vivid vessel]

gg toxic ..

[proven ocean]

0 ego

[drowsy ridge]

I HATE Vanish as a DPS cooldown...

So many things reset

[vivid vessel]

I dont !

[proven ocean]

zac

thjis guy

i queued up waiting for a premade guy to join

he crashed out on why i didnt invite him

cuz i was waiting a friend tank to queue up through lfg

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

yo ross

peep the vault

714 x 3

you got that ?

[proven ocean]

what the helly

hacks

[vivid vessel]

no i dont think you do

[proven ocean]

i dont even have 2 vaults

only 1

[vivid vessel]

gg !

[proven ocean]

not 717?

skill issue or

[vivid vessel]

well

thing is

nexus king

is legit harder

than for liquid

[hasty warren]

nice cock

[bleak rune]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[proven ocean]

what

[vivid vessel]

like we cant stack arcane mages

we cant stack good specs

[proven ocean]

ah

[vivid vessel]

and the boss didnt get nerfed

[proven ocean]

u mean that

ye

[quiet swallow]

do the antenna nerfs affect it that much or is it still bis?

[vivid vessel]

and we have the same gear they had

so

its legitr harder for us than liquid rn

[bleak rune]

!gs

[proven ocean]

ye i see

what %

did u get

[hasty warren]

still no raid nerd planned ?

[vivid vessel]

% doesnt matter much

but we saw the enrage

thing is we prolly never have the dps

next week maybe

with more gear

[proven ocean]

ye but what %

[pure folio]

How do yall sim the aoe build but for raid

[vivid vessel]

well the boss was at 58%

but we never did a pull with people alive

the whole way

[proven ocean]

i see i see

[vivid vessel]

and we also are lusting intermission to be able to do it most of the times

isntead of the damage amp

cause ye we have a bad comp for platforms you know

[proven ocean]

yea

[vivid vessel]

and people send cds on platform to be able to do them instead of holding for damage amp etc

it will get better

[hasty warren]

I believe it's patchwerk with the number of target u'll have, if it's soul hunter use 3 target, sor soulbinder no idea

[vivid vessel]

for now the damage on boss is ultra sussy ye

[proven ocean]

next week we get raid buff

so

kinda big

[pure folio]

Yea thats my issue, no boss besides soul hunters is like consistent target count

[vivid vessel]

sub is so big btw on that boss ross

you destroy platform, 1min 30 cds are op, you destroy damage amp

you end up doing infinte damage for no reason

what a spec

you do infinite boss damage, infinite platform damage

what the helly

[proven ocean]

i kinda knew assa wouldn't be as good idk why

besides sub gives parry immunity

which is really huge

[vivid vessel]

well i know why kekw

you wanna know why ross

its so obvious tho

fatebound

[hasty warren]

on soulbinder it's the big add phase that matter so u can sim with ur aoe build something like 5-10 target maybe for one minute

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

well ye

fatebound is ass

[vivid vessel]

fatebound is just trash damage profile

[hasty warren]

honnesly idk how u sim this boss

[vivid vessel]

but also in the end sub is just assa but better on these bosses

it burst faster

[proven ocean]

u dont u just feel the fight

[vivid vessel]

it does aoe burst

[proven ocean]

sim

[vivid vessel]

no setup needed

[proven ocean]

ye

like

even if sub is slightly worse

making the entire raid not parry is already super huge

[vivid vessel]

And sub just plays m+ talents in raid basically so

Insane AOE for free

[vivid vessel]

That got fixed

[hasty warren]

wait what

[proven ocean]

oh

did it

when

[hasty warren]

sub is doing this ?

[proven ocean]

more like

trickster

as a whole

ig we get class tuning next reset

[hasty warren]

when fb rework

or just trikster buff

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel why is this 7.3

i feel like it was really really good

i feel like those ratings aren't always accurate

i guess it depends on what u enjoy

[hasty warren]

it's more hype than quality imo

[vivid vessel]

I haven't watched any mission impossible ross

@cinder relic take the outlaw neck noob

[proven ocean]

oh rly wtf

that sounds like what a french rogue would say

its a good franchise idk

[honest yarrow]

Is there a rule of thumb for if/when you should let AR drop if it’s going to be up in however many seconds so that you don’t go down to 0 vanish charges or do you always want to catch AR whenever possible

[proven ocean]

been watching is kinda since i was a child

oh btw

zac

are u still using

the movie app i told u about

[hasty warren]

I think I don't get what u're asking, but anyway we're aiming for the highest AR uptime possible

but if u feel droping AR at some points is better for you so it can be good depending the situation

[hasty warren]

that's me yo

u want the image @proven ocean ?

[glass mortar]

If ar would drop then vanishing to maintain it is higher then pretty much all the vanish delaying rules

Maintaining ar is always a condition to vanish immediatly

[tight kernel]

Yo

raidbots

am I cappin

or did I get nerfed

Was it always 2x power?

[glass mortar]

Mine is 4X power

U got nerfed by 50% gg

[hasty warren]

u have premium accunt ?

[tight kernel]

wtf ?

Yeah

[brave fossil]

Weird, seems like they nerfed you specifically. That's rough buddy

[hasty warren]

o7

[worthy thunder]

Zac, how do you also have dark borders around your buffs next to map like you do your WA's?

[tight kernel]

yoi

my money

[proven ocean]

yoi

[tight kernel]

scammed

[hasty warren]

maybe too many sims at the same time ?

it's reset for NA no ?

[brave fossil]

If I get cudgel to drop, I'll buy everyone premium

[proven ocean]

perfect

@dense bolt thoughts on my name

!

[tight kernel]

someone from na

do a top gear sim real quick for the homie

lmk if im getting scammed

or we all nerfed

[buoyant cosmos]

W/ premium?

[ripe ibex]

you are not

[tight kernel]

ye

epic

[ripe ibex]

that’s normal

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm guessing it's mega server load

Everyone just got off of work

[tight kernel]

yo I got here first wtf

get off my cores

i need it

[buoyant cosmos]

Lol

[brave fossil]

I'm running 40 sims right now just to spite you

[buoyant cosmos]

They don't have enough hamsters

[brave fossil]

I'm simming every delve trinket

[tight kernel]

[ripe ibex]

i’m simming all gem combinations on 5 rings

[misty bridge]

trickster 4pc should just be UB stacks to 8 or 10 or w/e but coup still takes 4, and coup acts as if it consumed 10 additional combo points. take all the rotation fuckery out of it

[hasty warren]

what stat for crafted ring ? idk If I try to get haste cap with it or I go vest/crit and get haste from other pieces

[torpid fiber]

imo go vers/crit to make gearing other slots easier (bc there's 3 stats there you are happy with, vs 2 if you have haste ring)

[vivid vessel]

Ye it's goated

Ok gn

[gaunt phoenix]

you ever just

[torpid fiber]

[frank finch]

what macro u using there

[gaunt phoenix]

the opener one

[torpid fiber]

This reminds me I need to learn fatebound sometimr

I've been putting it off

Bc I don't raid organisedly

But I should learn for pugs

[proven ocean]

thats like

what hte helly

ok it might've happened to me like 2 seasons ago

[wintry solar]

I did that last week

Cost me the arena

[torpid fiber]

I wish wow had the ff14 mechanic where if you try to use an ability on an enemy behind you your character turns around to use it

[frail veldt]

whats the fastest way to farm the raid buff

just do a normal run?

[mighty pivot]

double vanish should give double the coins

[honest yarrow]

this is basically what i was asking, ty.

[glass mortar]

yea u should probably add a protection for this xd

stealth stance or somethin

[frank finch]

yea cook that up real quick

[wide coral]

lmao just got 30 something heads in a row

[frail veldt]

/cast [nostealth] vanish

[frank finch]

full macro bud

[mighty pivot]

better use [nobonusbar:1] because I am not sure if they fixed the stealth animation bug yet. I haven't noticed it happening lately at least

[fathom bramble]

I just did an entire key without dancing steel

and assumed fatebound was just that bad on aoe

[torpid fiber]

[frail veldt]

do I have to pick up a quest to get the raid buff?

how does this actually work

[rough oriole]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[torpid fiber]

There's a quest next to the raid entrance you have to pick up to unlock the renown

[frail veldt]

ty

[wintry solar]

Why did you talent out of DS huh?

Huh??

[frail veldt]

wat?

[fathom bramble]

I intended to only talent out of PC

[torpid fiber]

oh then you might already have it unlocked

[fathom bramble]

but had simply the wrongest talents on

[frail veldt]

I have not

I just logged in

[torpid fiber]

There's a quartermaster there, this was a quest available week 1

And then to get the renown you just kill bosses

I think the buff is passive once you hit renown 3 (4?) But idk

[frail veldt]

where do I check if I have the renown

this one?

I thought we unlocekd this day 1

AAAAH this one

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-send-in-diddy-mods-ltg-low-tier-god-meme-gif-228742818489670441

[coral mason]

hey all, how good is this, is it worth taking over myth legs for outlaw (i main assas/sub) but was wondering if this was worth taking because its myth

[tight kernel]

I got 21% haste

I feel liek a noob

but its better than 18%

[proven ocean]

Kev
[RATS]
— 4:48 AM
I got 21% haste
I feel liek a noob

[tight kernel]

yo wtf

someone tell me 21% is better than being under 19.05

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[honest yarrow]

so, probably noob question. do you guys just feint through aoe damage/standing in bad in keys? it feels so fucking awful moving out of consecrations in priory and losing all that cleave

[frail veldt]

depends what youre trading for it lol

[torpid fiber]

just curse the tank in your head

[wintry solar]

Put cloak back on cdr

[fathom bramble]

most ground effects take some time to actually damage your character. for consecration specifically you have 1 full second to move out of it so you can kind of dance in and out to attack mobs if you need to

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u1Ag9PcGaQq5fdFBu1yMYS

[glass mortar]

how

i just had a herioc mothman

3:30 kill

9 ace procs the whole fight

i had 11% procrate on it

[fathom bramble]

gg

our lows are so annoying especially on kir

no ace no cto on pull is just doomed

[fathom whale]

ay boys n co, before i open vault, do we want a dag in our OH this patch? should i be trying for a haste/vbers dag or does it not matter

[fathom bramble]

dagger is still slightly better, but you do want a 723 mainhand still so unless you got a real outlaw weapon already it's not worth to open for a dagger

[fathom whale]

i crafted mh weap last week, just stay lootspec outlaw?

[fathom bramble]

stay outlaw imo

[alpine stag]

Hey - Is it normal for the dimmy trinket to sim high? I dont see it as a recommended trinket in the FAQ.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jB97w3VimpXYgH8F7ZJSws

[fathom bramble]

unless you want dagger of offspec ig

[tight kernel]

Trying out new vanish rule set for fb

def need to beat muscle memory

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be fairly close, perhaps it is because that build has so much haste

could also be based on gear as its damage is mostly independent of your own

[fathom bramble]

definitely playing ho would boost it

compared to what we expect from a kir sim

[quaint mauve]

i feel so much better now

rerunning the raid

my adr uptime is so good

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt seem to win on bis but it is close https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hmCV9cwckMudgLt6CeKami

[quaint mauve]

solo hi

i went from 1.7 million on loom

to 3.8

.2 off of my sim

[gaunt phoenix]

please type in sentences

[quaint mauve]

:)

im sorry zeross did this to me

[frank finch]

damn disc belt making its way back into my sims

[craggy barn]

sadge 0 myth items in 2 weeks

[frank finch]

i thought we broke up

[alpine stag]

ah ok. So its ok to wear it then? Just wanted to make sure that i wasnt getting baited by sims

yeah i just play HO - i enjoy it more

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think it has an issue in simc but it is affected by kill time

also dont think it is particularly notable in keys

[fathom whale]

wtf do i do here, cant get the boots cuz we get boots from raid, i already got hero tier shoulders, im 2 sec chest and shoulders, hero antenna got nerfed? im wearing that neck already

why WHY

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe m shoulders for the long run

[glass mortar]

myth shoulders for cata?

[gaunt phoenix]

they have shoulder set already

they have 2pc and need to catalyze to 4th

[glass mortar]

still a bis piece

[gaunt phoenix]

but can just get hero track shit from keys

[glass mortar]

just not today

[gaunt phoenix]

ya thats why i typed it

[fathom whale]

surely i just get shoulders and just hold on to em

[craggy barn]

hm

oh maybe double sac

double sac gaming

pepw

[clear tulip]

just got this from hardmode too and its showing big increases
(current trinkets are sac + pacemaker - no other trinkets in bags)

[copper radish]

730 cloak with raid boots doing 7% of my overall in keys now doing 7mil crits lol

[clear tulip]

for me its showing double sac as well

[craggy barn]

im just trying to figure out if i take a myth trinket

over antenna

hero antenna

i already raided

and no luck

[covert kestrel]

ill show you my ticking sack of terror

[craggy barn]

i also have the DB trinket

the overal dps incrase for all 3 specs would be antenna

but thats 1 more myth item i didnt take from vault

feelsbad

[red zinc]

[craggy barn]

maybe i just go sac

my vaults suck

[covert kestrel]

[glass mortar]

11 SS in a row no proc on fract farm

i guess im just not supposed to raid tonight

[craggy barn]

sims want me to take sac

[late swallow]

KiR players will press SS 11 times in a row and be like "this is really good"

[elder phoenix]

any roll the bones /kir weakauras

I odnt wanna make my own 🙁

[stiff vector]

why does it feel like my BF is just not doing dmg in heroic

[covert kestrel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[covert kestrel]

RtB buffs tracker^^

or use one of the class packs

[frank finch]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[late swallow]

!tea

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[gaunt phoenix]

its because tea is inside stealth

[late swallow]

they call it container theory

[gaunt phoenix]

[pure folio]

if i BF before pull in raid will i keep buff?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[cold tide]

this is a certified outlaw experience where you question your decision to play this spec for half an hour

[quaint mauve]

actually ig im just loot carried huh

[drowsy ridge]

!log

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hoxKoLxUdJcA7R2cty7Hoc
Am I trolling if I slam gilded onto hero track trink vs myth track pants

[frail veldt]

my stats are so pretty

[rough oriole]

zac is your luxthos edit for the WA busted?

[tight kernel]

prob myth pant upgrade angle no?

[frail veldt]

probably

if youre trying to min max long term gilded value

[tight kernel]

19% flat?

[frail veldt]

is that bad?

[tight kernel]

need 19.05

[frail veldt]

lol

well shiiiiiet

[tight kernel]

no meme

[frail veldt]

redoing all my gear sec

[tight kernel]

ha

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[frail veldt]

problem is im night elf

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[frail veldt]

so at night

im at 20

[stiff vector]

why does my character feel fucking bugged or something in heroic rn, like dont have a monk in the raid but regardless even getting shitty rng on some bosses im doing legit like week 1 dmg...and I just cleared normal and literally feels like I was doing way more dmg

[quaint mauve]

brooo how

[tight kernel]

LOL

fuck it ball out

night gamer only ez

my gear a bit scuffed atm need ring

[tender cliff]

what do we sim as? dungeon slice or patchwork (for M+ specfic

[sullen wyvern]

another week no boots

[tight kernel]

dslice is fine

[covert kestrel]

dslice

[covert kestrel]

keep them toes barking

[tight kernel]

dslice no buff only lust

ez

[late swallow]

bro let the whole server know he's missing .05% haste

[glass mortar]

what a tilting raid

try to setup everything right on dimi, land on first platform with AR vanish and ghostly ready

10 SS in a row later ar times out

cant recover entire platform

idk y i had zero energy from the start

[fathom bramble]

average outlaw dimi experience

[glass mortar]

i even timed my stuff and the timings worked out well man

idk i guess it was doomed from the start

it took 45s for me to get my first cto proc

i kir'd at 50s

[covert kestrel]

have you tried getting better rng?

[glass mortar]

its just exhausting cause the low rolls are soooo much more noticable as kir

when u sit on kir for almost a full cd usage of kir

[late swallow]

don't worry bro

apex talents soon

kir + vigor builds

gonna go crazy

you can SS 20 times in a row now

[covert kestrel]

s3 DF tier + s2 TWW tier all in oen

[glass mortar]

frick

i need to find a way to gain like 170 haste

[fathom bramble]

Casting Vanish or exiting stealth causes your next X sinister strikes to be guaranteed to strike twice

[gaunt phoenix]

that's fine

[fathom bramble]

soon™

[glass mortar]

its too low

we can get it closer

whats the exact amount?

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[glass mortar]

smh we dont even have the exact rating in the command

[fathom bramble]

time to spend 20k on gems

for like 0.005% dps

[late swallow]

that's actually pretty sick

[glass mortar]

wait

if swap a haste gem off haste

then a vers enchant to haste

[gaunt phoenix]

0.8023s global instead of 0.8

[fathom bramble]

that's like an extra global every 7 minutes

worth

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[glass mortar]

its 19.05% right

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[frail veldt]

honestly with the lag in raid right now

Im not getting 0.8023

[glass mortar]

A;SDHA;LDHS

[frail veldt]

ugud?

[glass mortar]

i did the math wrong

[frail veldt]

LOL

so embarassing for you

[glass mortar]

how can i tradeoff for 0.10% more

im in shambles rn

[frail veldt]

time to bust out the mana oil

shame oil more like

[glass mortar]

ye and waste 45% efficiency on the haste from mana oil

alright cuh

we can still fix this

[tight kernel]

like why does portal break stealth

kinda cuck

[glass mortar]

i give up

season over

[fathom bramble]

what if our 4 apex talents are
Sneaky Opportunity: Casting Vanish or exiting stealth causes your next X sinister strikes to be guaranteed to strike twice
Quiet adrenaline: Casting vanish grants 3/6(2 pointer) seconds of adrenaline rush
Preparation: Vanish and Adrenaline rush both have an additional charge, and grant x% damage for 10 seconds when activated. Multiple applications may overlap.

[frail veldt]

I mean

im hoping for a bigger rework that uncouples us from subterfuge

personally

[glass mortar]

alright we cooked to hard i come back tomorrow and try to do math better

[fathom bramble]

None of these technically interact with subterfuge

[frail veldt]

vanish being an offensive implies we still play around it haha

im hoping that is gone

[wintry solar]

You only get one

Wait I misread nvm

I just want outlaw to be fun in pve and pvp again

And decoupled from subt like Mewo said

[sullen wyvern]

from what I understood about apex talents

is that youa re going to 'buff' the already existing talents in our spec tree right?

[gaunt phoenix]

CTO 100% proc chance

[fathom bramble]

Not necessarily

They will buff an ability

I doubt they will buff an ability that is harder to grab in the tree like a capstone

[glass mortar]

when you vanish you now spawn a pirate that actually scales with haste

[fathom bramble]

Just because it would essentially lock an entire line of talents forever

[glass mortar]

haste scaling fixed

he hits the enemy with a paddle

he does more damage then u while hes up

take me back

[gaunt phoenix]

Why are there 6 hits

[glass mortar]

thats multiple casts no

[gaunt phoenix]

no

thats over 1.2 seconds

[frank finch]

??

[sullen wyvern]

no fuycking way

[glass mortar]

hmm'

[sullen wyvern]

WE GOT TRIPLE COUP?

[wintry solar]

They picked Improved Death Coil for unholy

[fathom bramble]

That doesn’t look like 1.2 seconds

[glass mortar]

looks like 0.88 between first two coups

then 0.45 to the third

very strange

[fathom bramble]

Well coup does 3 hits normally and it’s almost 1 second between 1st and 4th(1st hit of the 2nd coup) hits

[late swallow]

Coup bug bros are we back?

[glass mortar]

oh thats what i was gunna check

if it was 3 hits

then u have 0.93s between coups?

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[scarlet drum]

Am I supposed to be super energy starved in the single target fatebound build?

[gaunt phoenix]

not really

[scarlet drum]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

it's two coups, im tweaking

[torpid fiber]

wait is coup 1s gcd now

[glass mortar]

it is 1.2s reduced by adr

[fathom bramble]

1.2 and effected by ar gcd reduc

[glass mortar]

so yes

[fathom bramble]

0.96 during ar at haste cap

[torpid fiber]

Ah

[keen belfry]

just did mythic plexus at 16% haste kir

[fathom bramble]

nice

[mild vigil]

I have a question about dimensius, when you take the extra action button it drops me out of stealth, is that a subterfuge bug? B/c my friend who plays sub in the fight does not lose stealth when taking it

[torpid fiber]

Yes

[teal garnet]

New rule is honestly pretty fun to use

[torpid fiber]

Oh shit new rules

[frail veldt]

honestly new rules crank

also adr + gs happens a surprising amount

like 1/3 as often as gs + bte

[frail veldt]

correct

they punish us for playing subterfuge

[mild vigil]

So about the new rules, do we not care if we’re capped on vanish charges / within 20 seconds of capping?

[hallow spoke]

Stone idol/Trinkets in general scale with our vers?

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems you wait for gs even if capped

[mild vigil]

Okay, gonna practice that tomorrow b/c I’m not in for forgemaster (I don’t have sub gear )

They gave netherprism to a windwalker over me 🙃

[cinder relic]

that sounds very normal

[mild vigil]

Yeah I’m just tilted

I like being in for prog

[frail veldt]

oh wow

more coins than btes lol

[mild vigil]

Lol

[frail veldt]

4.8 mil wipe at 1%

fun shit

[mild vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-aventurine-trailer-aventurine-hsr-aventurine-star-rail-aventurine-honkai-star-rail-gif-12333062445299066560

[weary fog]

these new rules are nuts lol

[mild vigil]

Outlaw nerf inc

[frail veldt]

wtf the boots are OP

2% more overall damage from the cloak with those boots on the other outlaw

[sudden fulcrum]

Can’t wait till I get some boots

[high trellis]

warcraftlogs take adds off the soulbinder parse please

[stiff vector]

@gaunt phoenix can you just use this macro instead of having 2 seperate macros?

/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike
/cast Between the Eyes

Its what I was using when testing things out back on PTR, if ADR on CD then it just GS+BTE's in same global.

[stoic brook]

Signet bad for outlaw right?

[tender wedge]

its not bad in keys

but not great

[stoic brook]

well then its gotta be signet

I have sesaon 1 sacbrood who am I kidding

[gaunt phoenix]

unfortunately all 3 of them at once produces pretty weird coin results that might hurt your dps

[lucid sandal]

I win again

First week mh second week oh

[gaunt phoenix]

Like GS BTE is good but AR GS BTE isn't

[jolly geyser]

myth shoulders for me

[stiff vector]

ye I did notice sometimes it wanst giving lucky coin when it should, ill swap it out...weird

[alpine stag]

If I want to play HO in raid, am I better using the HO raid cleave build in the FAQ or just m+ build? For bosses that need cleave that is.

[sonic pawn]

Goodness me this is a bit of a tough choice.

[smoky whale]

Good vault??

[stiff vector]

fuck me is my rng giga cooked tn

105 BTEs, like 25 ace procs

like wat