outlaw

[torpid fiber]

you can end up with 1 buff if downtime tbf

[late swallow]

the tier that I'm not playing is the tier that sub is giga

[twin sinew]

Is outlaw still good for m+ was thinking of swapping to Assas just wanted to know if there’s a large dps difference

[late swallow]

[torpid fiber]

It's still a useful rule to know

[glass mortar]

outlaws always decent in m+

especially in the key range most players will touch

sin is also good this season tho and i hear sub is too

altho i have a feeling sub probably suffers the worst from "Farm keys" syndrome

it has the most extreme damage profile

[gaunt phoenix]

i need god

[random stirrup]

eh i think outlaw is worse

[glass mortar]

really then sub? in like 10s and 12s?

i feel like sub can quickly run into the issue of doing so much damage the pack is dead too fast during cds and wasting damage in those types of keys

and then u have nothing for awhile

[random stirrup]

by farm keys syndrome i thought you mean will look better in low keys than it really is

[hollow thunder]

guys play outlaw trust me

huge buff soon

reduced damage beyond 8 targets

[glass mortar]

oh no i meant many specs do worse in keys that are easy/farming because of overkill and cd inefficiency but scale up hard as u reach organized play on longer living packs

but outlaw always ignores this

yea i was saying sub is worse off in easier keys

[hollow thunder]

Coup will also count for BTE

[vivid vessel]

bro just pin the .txt directly

[gaunt phoenix]

[random stirrup]

its not so bad because you're a 90s spec, but even in 12s you can definitely solo kill a pack before blades ends

[glass mortar]

ye

[random stirrup]

and getting tfd procs from being out of combat happens more in low keys where you aren't omega chaining

[glass mortar]

especially if someone is occasionaly aligning their cds with urs and the pack is just turbo deleted while u still have 20% of ur cooldown going

[vivid vessel]

good thing sub cds are so quick

that wont happen

you kill pack first

you are better

[strong flicker]

have any tips when use Stone Idol ?

[golden epoch]

When playing M+, if you decided "f@*k it" and just pressed RTB on cd, assuming you did everything else "correctly", how much damage would you lose? Roughly?

[vivid vessel]

dont do that cuh

just press rtb with loaded dice

buff

thats alright

[heavy shadow]

fml died to melee on 30%

[craggy quiver]

God damn my St on boss is so damn trash in m+

Makes me sad

[fallen knot]

chat how hard will it be to live p2 loomithar as a spriest?

[indigo token]

you're so right

[fervent garden]

servers up. but no vault rewards. awesome blizz

[indigo token]

wait what

[fervent garden]

im not joklinig

waiting for a forced shutdown any minute

[indigo token]

you cant be serious

[mighty pivot]

NA beta testers

[random stirrup]

the vault doesnt update until 11 cuh

[indigo token]

thats even worse than fucking

[random stirrup]

doesnt matter when servers come up

[indigo token]

having last season gear

[fervent garden]

well there you go. thanks ry

[digital linden]

Sounds like torture bro

Actually idk in my guild all the ranged were standing farther out than melee

In p2

[fallen knot]

so i'm probably dying of just damage

[digital linden]

Chances are

✌️

[fallen knot]

and since i'm a white class my healers will think i'm a healer

and let me die

good

cant wait

[barren stream]

Vault only in 8min sir

It is tied to reset time rather than server maintenance end

[waxen scarab]

with antena nerf is it still bis?

[gaunt phoenix]

Week 4 Updates -

Fatebound and Vanish

We caught a better rule for using Vanish with Fatebound. The rule is fairly simple but is slightly hard to explain because of some bugged behavior so bear with me.

1. Previously Fatebound tried to Vanish with either RP or Supercharger active, this is no longer the case.

2. You will instead try to hold Vanish for Ghostly Strike every time, and then send Vanish into GS so you break stealth with GS.

• This is because sending GS from stealth gives you 3 of each coin (not a bug).
• You still Vanish normally to preserve AR if needed.

3. You will also sometimes try to Vanish at low CPs into Adrenaline Rush + Ghostly Strike at the same time (macro), however it won't align all that often.

• This is because sending AR + GS from stealth gives you 6 of each coin (this is a bug).

4. You will mostly hold Vanish for GS, not the other way around. If you DO NOT have a Vanish charge, then send AR and GS on cooldown.

5. If you DO have a Vanish charge, then don't GS and try not to AR, you will send them with the upcoming Vanish. However, you of course still need to use AR if it expires.

It sounds worse than it is... you will often find that Vanish and GS naturally tend to be close to aligning themselves anyway.

The expected gain from these changes is about 1.5%, so don't worry too much if it doesn't work out when practicing.

Cringe macro gaming

Fatebound already uses this macro for the opener:

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
With these rules you can use the same macro to hit after pressing Vanish. The cancelaura stealth is not needed for Vanish, the point is just to have AR+GS activate at the same time when they can.
```/cast Ghostly Strike
/cast Between the Eyes```
Furthermore... it is possible to try and send GS+BtE at the same time after Vanish, which can also produce some bugged behavior with coins, such as ending up with a 5/3 or 5/2 split of coins. __This is not reliable and sims do not assume this works at all__, and you would have to send it exactly on the GCD for it to work, so it's really not worth a thought but it does exist in theory.
# About canceling ![ksnew](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1404504296552140850.webp?size=128 "ksnew") Killing Spree
It was caught that KIR 1FTH prefers to let KS finish channeling instead of canceling it (most previous tests were 2FTH). It's not a big deal but I assume it is most related to energy. So at a granular level you may want to let KS finish channeling if it can refill your energy, but perhaps still cancel KS if KIR is ready and you need CTO procs to use it.
# About ![ho_charger](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1351978042540425387.webp?size=128 "ho_charger") HO Supercharger with Sleight...
It was found that this previously dead build is holding on for dear life, but instead of rolling for 5 buffs, it is rolling over 2 buffs, keeping any 3+. It's fixed in sims and is ~1-2% ahead of HO Loaded Dice, so it's not as good as KIR, but it's starting to approach close enough range especially if you don't care for 1FTH.
# About ![items_nightfall_cudgel](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1368286716342960358.webp?size=128 "items_nightfall_cudgel") Nightfall Curseblades Cudgel
I should say my previous post on the Cudgel was misleading. Basically, it was evaluated in sustain aoe sims where the Vanish reset worked correctly, but did not take in to account the value of re-stealthing before pulls. I didn't look at Dslice or Droute cause those don't support weapon swapping, but now it is clear that even a 678 cudgel competes with a mythic offhand in aoe pulls, though i'm not sure when it breaks even. This season KS was changed to use MH damage only, which did lower OH value, apparently enough for a massive ilvl loss to stick around.

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

aint reading all that buddy

nice try tho

[proven ocean]

zac — 6:57 PM
aint reading all that buddy
nice try tho

[tight kernel]

What we want from vault boys

[late swallow]

HOLY

[brisk meadow]

[late swallow]

holding vanish for GS

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[late swallow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/358752811657330700/1022612315071328327/attachment.gif

[craggy quiver]

Solo did you push apl for simc yet?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[teal garnet]

We still enjoying Antennae post nerf?

[shell fossil]

is cursed stone idol good?

[civic zephyr]

clearly its time right?

[glass mortar]

solo rule number 5 is a little confusing

[gaunt phoenix]

Why

[glass mortar]

so if vanish is off cd, and ghostly is off cd, you would hold both for some amount of time for adr?

[royal ermine]

bro what do I take lmao

[glass mortar]

thats what it feels like its implying

or did you just mean hold both for one finisher so u can vanish at low cp

[late swallow]

myth tier chest surely

myth chest is giga

[random stirrup]

huge socket

[royal ermine]

has to be trinket with antenna nerfs right

[tight kernel]

rip

[gaunt phoenix]

it's more like if vanish is ready but you cannot vanish yet

cuz you might already be in subterfuge

[keen belfry]

what should i take chat

[buoyant cosmos]

At least we got a catalyst charge

[glass mortar]

so like

[gaunt phoenix]

or like the opener, you have 2 charges of vanish

[glass mortar]

you open from stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

you GS AR from stealth and then hold them

[glass mortar]

and then after 2 finishers u get adr or ghoslty off cd

ur saying dont send them, hold for vanish

[shell fossil]

mh? can cata a head later

stone idol badge

[late swallow]

easiest sack of terror of my life

[gaunt phoenix]

That is correct

[tight kernel]

yeah looks like cata myth pant angle

[keen belfry]

i do think mainhand so i can use two swords again

[tight kernel]

Sack of Terror sounds spooky

[buoyant cosmos]

Bis mog is huge

[shell fossil]

i got myth seaforium, joy lmao

[glass mortar]

so just dont use mid vanish, would you use them if you knew ur next vanish charge was far away tho?

i assume ghostly yes, maybe adr no?? adr has a longer cd then vanish

[late swallow]

isn't that sword crit/mast?

surely you don't take that shit

[keen belfry]

it is an ass sword

but idk stats dont matter

[late swallow]

do you have a myth helm already?

[tight kernel]

oh someone smarter than me

I should send my gilded

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have a vanish charge then you dont use them, that's it

[tight kernel]

to fully upgrade myth wep right?

[glass mortar]

only if a charge is already ready ok

[red star]

!loot

[late swallow]

honestly @keen belfry helm or socket bro

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[late swallow]

don't take that sword bro

[gaunt phoenix]

if vanish is 5 seconds remaining then you still gs

i tested this very carefully

[glass mortar]

and this rule should only ever occur when u are already in stealth basically

mid subterfuge ig i should say

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[zealous plinth]

Why do we use cancelaura macro for opener and not just do gs First?

[glass mortar]

because of a bug

[gaunt phoenix]

because you cannot guarantee that GS is the one that activates first

[buoyant cosmos]

Didn't want to craft a sword?

[late swallow]

myth sac or chest giga nice

[gaunt phoenix]

the rule is most relevant for the opener where you have 2 charges. after several minutes they are more likely to desync

[keen belfry]

i have crafted sword and crafted dagger

[buoyant cosmos]

Gotcha

Get a cudgel from weekly rq

[late swallow]

please don't take the sword bro

[teal garnet]

myth sac is interesting but I have heroic Antennae and cosmic hunt, so 🤔

[late swallow]

i'm on my knees begging like a dog bro

[keen belfry]

sac is ass IMO

[copper radish]

What vault prayers are we saying today boys

[late swallow]

ah so ur prolly set on trinkets

[teal garnet]

thats how i feel, I use it in my M+ setup, but I hate gearing around it

[gaunt phoenix]

Mythic hall gloves so i never run that place again

[copper radish]

Can’t decide if I wanna do tier gloves or tier legs

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix why didnt u guid me

[glass mortar]

im just worried it reads like if you are out of stealth, with ghostly and vanish ready, people will think the rule is saying to hold both for adr

since you have 1 vanish charge

even tho that conflicts with the when to vanish rule above it

[sullen wyvern]

My vault is so fucking dissapointing, as per usual

[copper radish]

They have decent haste/verse legs this season right?

[copper radish]

/simc

[late swallow]

myth helm not bad if you have a cata charge?

[keen belfry]

no

myth warpclaw very good no?

[digital linden]

solo my goat do we send gs at max cp with 1fth as well or do we also hold it for energy related purposes

[gaunt phoenix]

I literally do not have room to edit the message any more but you vanish with GS. If AR is ready, cool, it doesn't happen all that often. If vanish and GS are ready, and AR is 4 seconds away, you vanish GS and fuck AR.

[sullen wyvern]

I guess, although helmet is not neccesarily our best piece as outlaw

[late swallow]

you don't play sub or sin at all?

[sullen wyvern]

For these rules that you just posted, if I dont send GS+AR on the same GCD it wont give me the bugged coins?

[sullen wyvern]

nope

[gaunt phoenix]

yes they need to be instantly

[late swallow]

[sullen wyvern]

I really dont like how neither sin or sub plays, Idc aboutr those specs

[sullen wyvern]

Thank you

I will simm for the sake of it but I don't think I'll be taking myth track warpclaw at all

[vivid vessel]

btw sala

did you test adr gs bte

did this work like gs bte

[late swallow]

bro who tf is sala

[vivid vessel]

(i wanna abuse all the way you know)

[gaunt phoenix]

so

[craggy quiver]

Solo lost sister

[vivid vessel]

lo

[late swallow]

damn she cute?

[vivid vessel]

cock

[gaunt phoenix]

GS BTE is 5/3 coins (good)

AR GS BTE is 7/4 coins (this is probably worse than 6/6 coins)

so i would probably not try to AR GS BTE

[vivid vessel]

no idea what this means

[civic zephyr]

im simming but surely its antenna

[gaunt phoenix]

zac

[glass mortar]

with 7/4 coins

[gaunt phoenix]

AR + GS is 6/6 coins yes

[glass mortar]

it procs a lucky or no

it must

[vivid vessel]

ok let me

read the talents

again

[glass mortar]

i guess either way u always proc a lucky

so it wouldnt matter

[gaunt phoenix]

but if you AR +GS + BtE you get 7/4 coins instead of 6/6

which is probably? a worse outcome

[glass mortar]

hmm

is it

i guess theres too much going into it, sounds like it probably is to me

[vivid vessel]

eh wahtever

i will trust you

im ngl

i cba with coins

[glass mortar]

only thing is with 7/4 ur next finisher is either on 8+ coins which is nice, or is at 5 coins and close to proccing another lucky

[civic zephyr]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/beSBvpFujpc45JmN9YTbpz

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

too complicated for my brain

[glass mortar]

but who tf can feel this stuff out

[lucid vale]

Myth track Sac? Claw? Helm?

[glass mortar]

i believe the computer

[vivid vessel]

my macros dont allow me to adr gs bte

so win win

i can only gs bte

or adr gs

[ornate kernel]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[vivid vessel]

also i cant hold gs while in a subterfuge window

[keen belfry]

tell me now

[vivid vessel]

oh nose

[keen belfry]

i kinda want to take sword for vibes

but i mean, myth helm

[vivid vessel]

you have a weapon or

take the weapy

[gaunt phoenix]

i need to log a good pull

where you vanish GS every time but like every 3rd vanish is with AR

[keen belfry]

i have 720 crafted dsagger and sword

[vivid vessel]

so what

no 723

big L

awang

i have 2 723 weapons

you are so washed up

[keen belfry]

we are killing soulbinder tho

[vivid vessel]

im killing nexus cock

(false)

[buoyant cosmos]

big if true

[keen belfry]

i can go back to sword tmogs if i take it

kinda lit no?

[ornate kernel]

Any recommendations for 4p set? what we avoid?

[sullen wyvern]

@gaunt phoenix one last question, for these rules, is it ok to hold either AR or GS if they are close enough to each other (and ofc assuming I wont be dropping AR by doing so) or is it a dps loss if not sent on cd?

[buoyant cosmos]

gloves

The ones from halls are bis

[gaunt phoenix]

if you dont have a vanish charge then you just send them

even if vanish is 8 seconds away

it's just how it is

[sullen wyvern]

oh wow ok

[vivid vessel]

the law !

@gaunt phoenix why should i trust you

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound is very picky with CDR it seems

[vivid vessel]

solo

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz AR/GS are ultimately pretty low cds

[vivid vessel]

have you played it

in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

yes !

[tepid skiff]

not boots

👍

[vivid vessel]

i found myself being out of energy a lot more

[gaunt phoenix]

well i didnt try AR stuff much

[vivid vessel]

than before

like gs legit

[gaunt phoenix]

It is more variance

[vivid vessel]

trucks my energy perma

[sullen wyvern]

Honestly that looks simple enough but my outlaw brain says send a last finisher to get that vanish and send them together, it's kinda counter intuitive to me

[keen belfry]

👍

Thank you, James!

[gaunt phoenix]

if vanish is very close it's not inting

but i legit could not get it to be a gain

[vivid vessel]

i had this abomination on my fractilus kill

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

100% adr uptime the whole fight

btw

didnt drop once

[royal ermine]

sums up 90% of the time I look at my logs

[sullen wyvern]

bro

that bug is insane

[drowsy raptor]

How much outlaw DPS is affected if Dagger instead of sword etc? 😄 Im running assa, but would like to try outlaw as well, but only got daggers

[sullen wyvern]

I just tested it, gave me 6 coins of each and instantly got lucky coin buff

[royal ermine]

I'm convinced that fatal flourish is randomly fucked sometimes

[vivid vessel]

why your omegalul smol

[glass mortar]

cant effectively play law at all with a dagger mh

dagger oh is perfectly fine

[gaunt phoenix]

offhand is the same but cannot mainhand dagger

[glass mortar]

zac did u check that log for autos btw

[sullen wyvern]

idk man I used the first one I saw

[vivid vessel]

what should i check

[drowsy raptor]

Oh dope, so my crafted dagger wont be waste

[glass mortar]

wouldnt be surprised if theres something funky going on with auto range or something on that boss

[still matrix]

WHEN TUNING

[glass mortar]

just make sure they r consitently going off when ur "hitting him" idk

i just remember sprocket intermission last season felt perma the same

like i got zero FF procs during intermissions

would always be energy drought even with 100% uptime and adr up

maybe its just fatebound somehow tho idk

[vivid vessel]

idk

melees are normal

i guess i jsut didnt proc ff or smth

idik

legit its gs tho

fucker takes all my energy bar everytime

idk

leave me alone !

[gaunt phoenix]

gaming

[vivid vessel]

!

[rough oriole]

so when sending AR+GS from vanish we use the same macro that we used in the opener correct?

[vivid vessel]

you say this solo but

[gaunt phoenix]

you went like 6 seconds without a proc

[vivid vessel]

during this whole thing

i ahve 0 energy either

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah i wrote that in the pin

[zealous plinth]

This is with macro?

[gaunt phoenix]

You can use the same macro

[vivid vessel]

ye and from 56 to 3min is same

idk

gg i guess

fuck gs !

gs is responsible !

[rough oriole]

air enough, also sadge i got a heroic antenna but myth pace maker is simming a lil better than it :(

[glass mortar]

not surprising i think people think we have outstanding trinkets or something this season?

pretty sure its similar to last season where the outstanding trinkets r like 0.3-0.5% better then the broad range of trinkets

so ilvl will be big regardless

[rough oriole]

yea it just feels bad to not take antenna but i suppose its only hero track

[craggy quiver]

Antenna is in first three bosses of raid

So not that hard to farm

Eventually

[gaunt phoenix]

the trinket tuning is not deployed to the servers it seems

[craggy quiver]

Also turbo boost curios

Nice

[glass mortar]

wtf

i want my silly trinket buff!

im using the one that spawns the stabby bois

thats getting a buff for some reason

at this point if reworked my whole haste budget around this trinket so my only possible path forward is to get it on mythic track as well

should be easy since not a single other person in our guild is rolling on it

[craggy quiver]

Is even that good after buff?

[lone crow]

noob

just get energy

so easy

[covert kestrel]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[glass mortar]

i doubt it it, its the only 704 trinket i have tho

its probably one of our worst trinkets

so i assume its like 0.6% behind our bis

like last season

but u gotta do ur budget around it so

[tight kernel]

@gaunt phoenix This is just me not macroing ar with gs

[spiral bison]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah that's 5 of both coins

The macro would make 6 of both

[vivid vessel]

Bro didn't guzzle all the coins

[keen belfry]

weran canu tell me what to take fromy my vault its so inconsequential i cant pick

or solo

or zac

[gaunt phoenix]

Show vault

[glass mortar]

yea sure show vault

[gaunt phoenix]

Oh

Mythic shoulders ?

[keen belfry]

repost

CONTEXT i have myth chest in bags gonna cata (so no cata charge)
ive crafted 720 dagger and sword

[grizzled heron]

!log

[keen belfry]

i kinda want sword for mainhand + transmog 2 sword vibes

[vivid vessel]

Brooo

Fuck the dagger

[keen belfry]

but i can also just get the sword from soulbinder

[vivid vessel]

Get double swordyyy

[keen belfry]

im leaning dub sword

[glass mortar]

id take the sword for mog or helm for mythic tier helm?

[keen belfry]

myh helm that i can even spend gildeds on this week sounds boring

cant*

[glass mortar]

true

[vivid vessel]

Why can't you

[glass mortar]

bis items are very boring when u cant upgrade them immediatly

[vivid vessel]

Are you in depbts

Debts

[glass mortar]

u can upgrade the sword but not the helm??

[keen belfry]

yes

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

cuz 2 720s

[vivid vessel]

You have 60 per week no?

[keen belfry]

90

[vivid vessel]

So

I'm confusion

[keen belfry]

75 is going to my myth chest piece guys

[vivid vessel]

Why couldn't you upgrade helm

Ah

OKOK

I GET IT

[slate forge]

Had mythic signet mythic warpclaw and the taz fist weapon

[glass mortar]

its still helm but pick ur weapon if ur a bozo

[vivid vessel]

Not reading bron

[vivid vessel]

He sent a picture with words trying to trick me into reading

Haha

[keen belfry]

i can go back to my swords

[vivid vessel]

Not doing that lil bro

[keen belfry]

my undermine swords

ifi take this

[glass mortar]

it sounds like you want to take the sword really badly

[vivid vessel]

I'm getting a 714 chest in vault btw

[glass mortar]

and since its inconsequential and u just want us to enable ur choice imma say

pick the helmet you idiot

[keen belfry]

what i want isnt always best

[vivid vessel]

Gonna go crazy

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

Weran

I did the math

[glass mortar]

u aint never done a day of math in ur lyfe

[vivid vessel]

I have a 97% chance of getting an item I want in my raid row

[glass mortar]

only math u do is how long the pasta needs to microwave before it explodes

[strong halo]

prbly tier conversion angle no?

[vivid vessel]

Thoughts

[glass mortar]

i have not a single myth piece so my first real vault should be a banger

[strong halo]

pacemaker bad for us?

[glass mortar]

no its fine

[pure folio]

middddd

[glass mortar]

theres better trinkets but its fine

[pure folio]

its not ideal

[slate forge]

Mythic warpclaw BIS?

[digital linden]

have u filled all 3 slots with myth track?

[glass mortar]

its probably like 0.3% behind the bis trinkets

[late swallow]

weran my goat how are you today

[glass mortar]

tired and in nyc so not agood combo

[vivid vessel]

714 cuh

[dark bane]

what are bis? i feel like sims are lieing

[vivid vessel]

Insane vault incoming

[digital linden]

holy the unboxing

[lucid vale]

based on my sims Antenna still beats it

[late swallow]

stay strong king, you have limitless potential

[vivid vessel]

Most insane vault in the deceny

[glass mortar]

idk its like antenna and the damage execute one

idk the names

but bis is silly anyway

[slate forge]

Chances of getting that over every other spec though

[vivid vessel]

Most liquid raider vaults won't be that juicy

[stiff vector]

pretty dogshit

[glass mortar]

the gap between the top trinkets and the rest is small

[dark bane]

roger

[strong halo]

Any opinions what would yall take?

[glass mortar]

depending on my trinkets id take a tier piece or the trinket

[digital linden]

whats ur gear like big man

[strong halo]

worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Ellesus

[glass mortar]

if u sim pacemaker fully upgraded id be surprised if it doesnt beat basically any herioc track trinket at 4/6

[tropic zephyr]

i mean, better than socket

[strong halo]

i have mythic claw tho

and is mythic pace better than mythic tier increase

[digital linden]

pacemaker is way worse this tier right?

[glass mortar]

no

not that im aware of

[digital linden]

maybe not worse but better contenders for the trinket slot

[glass mortar]

r there

let me check limitoutlawmallet thingy

[digital linden]

ye antenna warpclaw sigil of the cosmic hunt

arakara is also better right

prism too

[glass mortar]

seems all these trinkets are within like 0.5% dps

[digital linden]

true

[tropic zephyr]

it's good but it's not a must have, there are like 3 other trinkets you can get: antenna, sigil, stone

[glass mortar]

which largely means ilvl will win

[vivid vessel]

You need pacemaker for hard mode runs as sub tho

[glass mortar]

until bis

[vivid vessel]

Like

Big bis

[digital linden]

ye if u multi spec its a pacemaker angle

[vivid vessel]

No just for hardmode

[digital linden]

how come just hardmode

[tropic zephyr]

i saw your hm run the other day

[vivid vessel]

Because

[tropic zephyr]

big pump on that silly pirate drake

[vivid vessel]

It proc on pull

[vivid vessel]

Tune in friday

I'm trying to reach 25 mil this time

[glass mortar]

zac is doing dungeons as sub now???

[vivid vessel]

Or 30 mil

[glass mortar]

its never been so over

[vivid vessel]

Just hardmode cuh

[glass mortar]

yea thats how it startsd

just hardmode

[digital linden]

hahahaha

[glass mortar]

then just 2 bosses on this one key

then its just these keys

[light kernel]

Zac what kind of buff would make outlaw the most superior rogue spec

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

In raid idk it's over

In keys tho

10% trickster or 10% aura

[slate forge]

100% aura buff to KS

[vivid vessel]

That's about what we need

[keen belfry]

i took the helm

[vivid vessel]

To be good

Not as good as S2 tho

But good

[tropic zephyr]

if our damage profile could actually stop being pad fiesta

[vivid vessel]

In raid idk you would need to fix fateboudn

And then buff fateboudn by 10%

So that's like

Never happening

I could see a 10% aura or 10% trickster tho

Idk

It's not like fb outlaw was blasting in raid anywya

10% is massive tho

Will never happen

[light kernel]

They wont even touch us in the end

[glass mortar]

idk i think its kinda cool we can give up like all of our aoe/cleave profile to gain giga st and be a mid st spec in raid

[vivid vessel]

But that's what outlaw would need in keys rn

[glass mortar]

f r i c t i o n

[tropic zephyr]

i just hate not being a st king in keys

[vivid vessel]

Ye

First time

We always been the st guys

Even in s1

Remember

We were doing enhance st

Lol

[late swallow]

hey chat what's outlaw's niche rn?

sandbagging keys?

[vivid vessel]

And we were still so bad

[tropic zephyr]

i'm washed up but even when I gap some rando by 3m they still beat me in st

and i'm like

[vivid vessel]

Being bad at like everything

[tropic zephyr]

[late swallow]

what about that bluepost from blizz about how they want niches

[tropic zephyr]

rofl they trashed all our niches

prio king -> trash

long arms -> trash

[civic zephyr]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P8vnQLWH4F7ARhqx?fight=2&type=damage-done - my damage is so low

[tropic zephyr]

now we're just the silly high apm high variance spec with lots of moblility

tho, mobility alone is kind of big qol

[strong halo]

so whats the conclusion? Myth Pace > tier myth?

[grim spear]

and pretty tanky

[frail veldt]

Imo nah

Pace is good but it's like our 5th best trinket

[quaint wharf]

id sim the pace

[stiff vector]

rip never lucky, no cudgel again this week

[frail veldt]

I personally don't like it

Sigil, warpclaw, idol, antenna all better

[tropic zephyr]

if you don't raid pacemaker is probably good, outside of raid you're looking at claw, stone and pacemaker

tho idk if pacemaker > hc trinkets

[frail veldt]

But you can only get myth pace from vault

So might be worth

[gaunt phoenix]

i think warpclaw has a tendency to not hit as many mobs as it will in sim

[frail veldt]

Ah ye

[gaunt phoenix]

Though it does cap at 5

[strong halo]

yeah but is Pacemaker M > M tier piece

[lilac rose]

any tips for p1 opener

[frail veldt]

Pace also sims bad on st

[lilac rose]

dimensius

[potent yacht]

is cudgel even good if u have 720 oh?

[gaunt phoenix]

It is

[frail veldt]

Still good over 5 targets

[stiff vector]

I use pacemaker instead of warpclaw sometimes, idk warpclaw just seems buggy sometimes

[quaint wharf]

i sim'd mythic lily from my vault and it beats hero warpclaw, is that just an ilvl thing

[tropic zephyr]

probably, sim it, you always gotta look at the long run with vault tho

[frail veldt]

Pacemaker feels so underwhelming to me I like trinkets that I can see on the meters haha

[late swallow]

no trust me this 691 mace is better than a 720 one in certain situations no trust me it's real I promise bro sim it bro please it's better bro

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah though lily is not awful for kir aoe, similar to house of cards

[quaint wharf]

hmmm ok

[tropic zephyr]

solo do you know if big raid trinkets in hc are better than M pacemaker in dslice?

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe sigil

[tropic zephyr]

like antenna and sigil

yeah

[stiff vector]

I mean I wouldnt be using it if my rng with gear this tier hasnt been god awful, need an antenna or cosmic hunt so bad

[vivid vessel]

Everytime we are Good at our niche they nerf it lol, remember when they nerfed pc on that 2 target boss , and this tier we were finally blasting under target cap, boom 10% bf nerf

[rich moon]

gotta say I feel bad for our single target damage :c

[civic zephyr]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P8vnQLWH4F7ARhqx?fight=2&type=damage-done

[tropic zephyr]

imagine having 400apm perfect play sweating to get beat by a grey parsing mage in st

[gaunt phoenix]

[late swallow]

seems like they're not really sure what they want

[potent yacht]

WE DID IT BOYS

[stiff vector]

grats I got a belt

[potent yacht]

i got trinket and dagger last two

lol

[tropic zephyr]

big

[gaunt phoenix]

speed

[potent yacht]

3rd times the charm

[stiff vector]

never lucky

[white marten]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif?ex=68ab5df1&is=68aa0c71&hm=13c046c5f032000b3b89c2d98afe312f7d8a415267be2ad26ce02f9a209c838a&

[frail veldt]

Yeah I farmed halls and flood to replace my 681 trinket and finally got a pace and found out it was like a .4% upgrade lol

Pretty sad

[proven ocean]

the guy who made this post is absolutely clueless about keys

[vivid vessel]

weird that we didnt get class tuning yet or raid tuning

[proven ocean]

ye

true

[vivid vessel]

like

this raid has been

weird

im ngl

[late swallow]

rogue needs to be tuned down a bit

[vivid vessel]

they completly destroyed naz + soul hunter + fractilus

[proven ocean]

not rly

[vivid vessel]

but now everyone is going to be stuck on nexus king

[royal ermine]

they normally dont do class tuning until like 2 weeks after race ends

[proven ocean]

rogue sucks

especially later on

[inland cairn]

if its the same timing as last tier there will be some next week iirc

[proven ocean]

it'll suck even more

[vivid vessel]

whhc is impsosible till they nerf the boss

[proven ocean]

once ppl get more ilvl

[late swallow]

we need more nerfs to rogue immediately

they're already a week late

[vivid vessel]

wtf i got baited so hard

[gaunt phoenix]

they have to consult Copy of Copy of Celestalon's Class Balancing Spreadsheet v2 Final (1).xls

[proven ocean]

XDXDD

these wowhead idiots spamming clickbait titles need to relax

[sullen wyvern]

hey man solo sorry for bothering again but I was just thinking, with those new rules in prepull raid then its better to not use AR pre pull but once youre close to the boss to get the bug rolling right?

[proven ocean]

no cappy

[sullen wyvern]

meaning that you'll lose a GCD using RTB after that during that sub window but you get that going right away

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound already did not prepull AR, you opened with the macro

[sullen wyvern]

oh ok didnt know that ty

[gaunt phoenix]

now u can reuse that same macro for vanish

[sullen wyvern]

the 'cringe macro gaming'?

[vivid vessel]

bro wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

..

[gaunt phoenix]

[late swallow]

LMAO

get dunked on!

[stiff vector]

exposed

[strong halo]

so whats better long term? tier no?

[next wedge]

with the new trinket tuning does any bis change?

[gaunt phoenix]

dunno the tuning didnt actually happen yet

[vivid vessel]

dude

im wtching some of these pulls

idk

[glass mortar]

MFW zac getting dumpstered by a raid buffer

[vivid vessel]

this is third pull of the dungeon

?

how do i get gapped

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/its-genuinely-over-its-over-its-so-over-seal-sad-seal-gif-27054806

[vivid vessel]

on a random pull

like this

i didnt die

in s2 i would have never done under 10mil in aoe bro no cpa

[stiff vector]

ye I love it when that happens

[late swallow]

critcake put you on his "do not invite list" for future videos

hate to see it

[stiff vector]

sometimes I feel like BF is bugged again idk

[vivid vessel]

its fine

[stiff vector]

or maybe we just suck

[vivid vessel]

there is a 2 target boss right after tho

so

[stiff vector]

buff outlaw

[vivid vessel]

i blasted that one

[stiff vector]

[random stirrup]

any knowers on the cooldown for abandoning a dungeon

asking for a friend

[glass mortar]

has anyone actually analyzed a log to check for bf bug again

you never know

[stiff vector]

thank god they nerfed BF twice on TR

[glass mortar]

or better yet, someone go solo an old raid

[stiff vector]

PTR

[vivid vessel]

i did on ptr

[glass mortar]

and see if bf works

[vivid vessel]

io couldnt find

but ye

prolly sdhouild try again

BRO

IT HAPPENED ANOTHER TIME

[lament igloo]

is KIR the way to go?

[vivid vessel]

but

what

oh i died

okok

all good

i just died that pull

guys its ok

outlaw is good

[stiff vector]

false alarm guys outlaw is very good !

[glass mortar]

yea if u lived u woulda been at 12m

saved

[proper bear]

Do I take mythic seaforium from vault, or mythic crit/haste fist wep? I don’t raid, but will be able to grab the myth m+ trinks from the dinar vendor eventually

[vivid vessel]

ye i doubt i do more than monksea on that one tbf

[proper bear]

Ie is a 723 wep worth getting over a 720 crafted; or is myth seaforium trink better to get?

[worldly shale]

sub reroll when

[glass mortar]

u can sim this

[vivid vessel]

waht a noob

but ye i did die

its ok tho

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

was just a cooked key

happen

[proper bear]

Simming giving kinda mixed results, I’m looking for advice on what’s better long term I guess

[glass mortar]

my goat dying first pull of critcake videos

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

no such thing as bad press

[vivid vessel]

[late swallow]

you could have topped overall probably

[glass mortar]

getting the outlaw name out there

[vivid vessel]

ye

prolly

but

[late swallow]

i think the most important thing is that you put your best foot forward

had fun

[vivid vessel]

arms is supoposed to be mega shit

btw

[late swallow]

made some friends

[vivid vessel]

so

you know

topping an arms

in a melee comp

isnt like

some big achievement

[late swallow]

i mean it's also critcake

[vivid vessel]

(he topped me anyway)

ok and

its me

[late swallow]

people call critcake the tomelvis of arms warrior

[vivid vessel]

im tomelvis

[gaunt phoenix]

he topped you

[vivid vessel]

he did top me hard

[late swallow]

haha where's the vod of this stream

asking for a friend

[vivid vessel]

i think i got stunned last boss also

idk

was cooked key

i remember

haha

good key

[glass mortar]

the tompelvis of arms*

shame zac can never aspire higher

then tomelvis status

[frail veldt]

why on blood mallet does it say PI reduces our damage in patcherk 1 target lol

[vivid vessel]

real

[glass mortar]

my assumption is going to be they just simply ran the PI with the default setting on the default profile on raidbots

and last i checked if u click the automatic PI button on raidbots, outlaw never even gets PI

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rAGyr2ZnwbTUf1abox3at6

@vivid vessel oathsworn op youre missing out

[glass mortar]

so the sim is identical and maybe was margins of error behind

[vivid vessel]

im good cuh

[frail veldt]

well on the other target counts it does get a dps increase

so thats why it was weird

[glass mortar]

maybe it works on other profiles?

i have no clue how the PI button on raidbots works

other then that it doesnt work on outlaw last i tried it

on patchwerk

either that or they did something stupid like adjust the outlaws haste profile down for the PI sim which wouldnt make any sense at all

but ur trying to get accurate info from bloodmallet so god save ur soul

i only use #NA#1#liquidoutlawarmorymallet for my trinket and PI needs

if its good enough for team liquids outlaw rogues its good enough for me!

[frail veldt]

I just checked to see how bad we were with PI this season

lol

was looking at the trinket sectiont hey just added its kinda interesting

ugh picking between hero antenna or myth shoulders

has to be myth shoulders right?

[tight egret]

Did I actually get the worst possible vault?

[glass mortar]

so leahs is probablyu fine... if you can get a party member with vers as their highest secondary

ok its probably not fine thinking about it for more then 1 second

[gaunt phoenix]

crit is good too

[glass mortar]

yea crit is fine as well

[gaunt phoenix]

most people have like 9000 crit 27000 vers

[analog radish]

!pull

[glass mortar]

who would have crit as their highest secondary

[drowsy ridge]

MM Hunter, I think

[analog radish]

how u show what to do before the dungeon lol

[gaunt phoenix]

idk i see some people with it

[late swallow]

feral maybe?

[glass mortar]

i was using this trinket on my BrM in some keys over the weekend and every single mf i used it on gave me haste or mastery

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[late swallow]

at least that's what it used to be

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[glass mortar]

[frozen swallow]

Does haste affect GCD for outlaw?

[glass mortar]

only during adr and only up to 25%

[gaunt phoenix]

it does when adrenaline rush is active. but it is capped

[frozen swallow]

Is that documented anywhere?

[late swallow]

no

[frozen swallow]

Like in a talent or something

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[frozen swallow]

[late swallow]

Ravenholdt has exclusive rights to the haste value

[gaunt phoenix]

it is capped at 25%, so the KIR build needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% after alacrity

[late swallow]

We negotiated a deal with blizz

[glass mortar]

adr hasnt even said in its tooltip it reduced ur gcd since like wotlk or something so

no surprises here

[copper radish]

Can you also negotiate uncapped flurry and some aura buffs

[late swallow]

i'll have a word with my counsel

[gaunt phoenix]

in midnight

[drowsy ridge]

I miss toggle uncapped Flurry

[gaunt phoenix]

they uncap bf and remove kir

A worthy sacrifice

[copper radish]

Sounds like Solo has the in

[inland cairn]

Dont get our hopes up

[craggy quiver]

I'll take that any day fuck kir

[cold jewel]

decisions...decisions....

[copper radish]

I’ll take no KIR if apex talents somehow boosts or extends bones buffs

All passive so no need to press another button lol

[late swallow]

there should be a talent that lets us add a fixed amount to our rtb buffs

like 30 seconds or so

on restless of course

[lucid sandal]

Take it and play subtlety

You are saved

[cold jewel]

you mean sin

[copper radish]

Or hear me out. Bones buffs become passive talents and u can choose which to perma have

[cold jewel]

im not raiding as rogue this tier fuck that xdd

[inland cairn]

Ew

[drowsy ridge]

I think I have an OK vault, but sims are getting me lost. Hero Antenna is simming as like an 18k DPS loss

[glass mortar]

u could always link sims if something seems confusing

[drowsy ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mALkHgRMoyuzVp1jsXGPT4

[glass mortar]

its not like antenna is super ahead of other stuff tho

yea u screwed up ur gem settings

the sims with the other trinkets are taking out ur crit damage gem

[drowsy ridge]

Got it, I'll re-run it. Thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

just use these gems

every time

dont need to select 13 gems

[drowsy ridge]

Understood!

[gaunt phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6k83LoWjFApBiTbZAF2SsT

hmm

mmmmmmmmmm

hmhmhm

i think

this build

has so much haste

it prefers damage proc trinkets

@drowsy ridge

also antenna was just nerfed but idk if it's sims yet

[drowsy ridge]

Yeah, I haven't taken anything yet just in case it isn't in sims. And I also wanted advice because I've just finally realized how much I don't actually know

[glass mortar]

what on earth

what a strange sim

[red star]

!loot

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[gaunt phoenix]

what if

this might be cooked

But this build quite literally does less damage than kir

and less damage = stat procs are worse

while damage procs are independent of your own damage

[quick grove]

Well, there goes my luck for this season

[gaunt phoenix]

and boosted by having 38% haste at a given moment

[strong halo]

had to remove elvui for raid

this is unplayable

[rigid heart]

im playing Ho Trickster with new tier, is this correct for me ? (With Supercharger) Roll if you have 1 buff, or 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah it is with loaded dice

[rigid heart]

thank you 🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

however you can play sleight of hand again

i pinned a thing on it

[copper radish]

Damn there goes the DPS

[gaunt phoenix]

it still exists

[glass mortar]

idk why ud want to

it honestly surprises me it still sims as playable

i did a m0 without tier with sleight

[gaunt phoenix]

i spammed it for a dozen keys

it feels fine

[glass mortar]

perma rolling thru 1 buffs until i changed spec

i did not have a pleasant experience

[gaunt phoenix]

you roll just as much as the old ho

[glass mortar]

i did not try it very long tho

sure but old ho u rolled this much and had twice the buffs

[gaunt phoenix]

it does feel a bit worse than kir 2fth

which is reflected in sims

[next wedge]

I miss old tier set

[frail veldt]

HO SC with Sleight still kicking!

[gaunt phoenix]

yee

[frail veldt]

1-2% ahead of HO LD means its like 4-5% behind 1pt fth KiR in dslice?

[next wedge]

Double coup is stupid but the FB set is fun

[frail veldt]

thats not awful

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[frail veldt]

playable af

[drowsy ridge]

I wonder, if I recraft my rings to Vers/Crit if that fixes my Haste situation, or causes another problem

[livid kindle]

yo Solo do you want to send double coup before vanish if you will have 2 back to back or 1 for each

[low gazelle]

Make sleight old tier. Let’s go crazy

[next wedge]

Loaded dice would never be taken again

[gaunt phoenix]

You send double coup before vanish

i thought you mean quad coup for a second

which does happen sometimes

[frail veldt]

its amazing

love when you quad coup into the FATTEST vanish of your life

[livid kindle]

mmm alright thanks man

[frail veldt]

when you get that coup->KS->coup->2pc proc->Coup->coup

JUICIN

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt have room in the pin

but we are working on

vanish for trickster

cause Coup is restrictive

i think there will be some combination of vanishing with coup, or supercharger, or both

instead of JUST coup

[glass mortar]

ok but have u guys ever experienced the sandwiching a kspree with coups only to proc a coup right after finishing ur second coup

actually like 5 minutes to get into vanish

but if u hit it without overcapping charges

[frail veldt]

lol thats literally what I just typed

[livid kindle]

in my head right now is prio to get buff before going stealth if you can line it up with supercharger then great if not buff more important

[frail veldt]

I love when that happens honestly

you have like 30 stacks of FF

[glass mortar]

it feels like ur mega blasting

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

skill issue zac

[glass mortar]

(ur actually doing like 10% more dps then baseline probably)

[frail veldt]

its more like ramping

[proven ocean]

i topped against him

on all keys

bozo

[frail veldt]

nah the vanish after a quad coup

[vivid vessel]

haha

[frail veldt]

is actually huge

thats the only time ive gotten near 20 mil in aoe

[next wedge]

I don’t like trickster that much I feel like I just understand it less

[frail veldt]

its a funky one

[thorny zinc]

netherprism + this is huge dopamine

insta 20mil

[low gazelle]

Without the WA trickster is a pain to track

With it it’s way more manageable

[next wedge]

[frail veldt]

I like to think of trickster as just an override to the rest of our rules
if you have UB stacks, SS is your only builder
if you have coup ready, dispatch is your only finisher and pretend SS isnt on your bars

theres other corner cases but that covers most of it

[frail veldt]

I am honestly very very curious about the rework

its exciting

but also scary

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is doomed isnt it

in this perpetual cycle

of dropping unfinished rework

[copper radish]

Haha comment thinks the rework will be ready for alpha 🙃

[vivid vessel]

and never polishing it so its actually a good functionning spec

[copper radish]

We prob won’t see big changes till beta

[low gazelle]

I know people say this often, and it gets mixed reactions, but with devo dh supposedly having a full range build and a hybrid build while just using glaives with both, I wonder if outlaw will get a similar treatment with its rework. Definitely wouldn’t say it’s super likely but more likely than before.

[autumn dragon]

guys i have some issues with outalw can someone help

[worldly shale]

Who doesnt

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-doom-doom-death-battle-vs-debate-gif-27228804

[autumn dragon]

is it bad rn ?

[copper radish]

Outlaw dual wielding 2 handers inc

[mighty pivot]

dual wielding guns

[hasty night]

Ye

[copper radish]

That’s interesting

[autumn dragon]

so its not me issue ?

[copper radish]

A fully ranged outlaw build 😂

[drowsy ridge]

Honestly, I miss Combat

[copper radish]

Time to replace dispatch with cannonball barrage 40 yard range

[mighty pivot]

I mean... we already dispatch at 30y somehow during crackshot

[copper radish]

Watch out MM we got a new sniper in town

[hasty night]

Nah specs just bad, still fun but i feel like i heve to put 500% effort just to do mid dam

[copper radish]

They should update the animation for that

[mighty pivot]

it looks so goofy slicing the air

[worldly shale]

Air bending type shi

Its the way u look at it

[copper radish]

I mean if we dispatch from 30 yards during crack they should just give us back 8 yard melee range

[vivid vessel]

i forgot we did that

[drowsy ridge]

Did I do anything wrong with this sim? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8qBgUt4dL4qjYfitMBuWVv

[copper radish]

Even when disarmed crackshot sends both lol

[autumn dragon]

ok is clear now

[frail veldt]

depends on the key level

[late swallow]

@glass mortar suits has reused the same b roll of the MET 3 episodes in a row

[frail veldt]

anything under like a 12 you can top meters pretty handily

[glass mortar]

LOL

[frail veldt]

id check your adr uptime

[glass mortar]

based i love spotting broll

[frail veldt]

if youre below like 85% youre missing a lot of damage

[glass mortar]

u should watch the new war of the worlds on amazon prime

absolute b-roll cinima

[frail veldt]

should be around 95% in most keys

[glass mortar]

the worst piece of garbage ive watched in years ngl

[late swallow]

Lmaooo

[glass mortar]

i think the movie might be 50% stock footage

[late swallow]

I heard it was pretty bad

[frail veldt]

outlaw isnt the best but its far from bad for most content levels imo

[autumn dragon]

ok now that u mention it

[glass mortar]

its truly a marval of humanity someone greenlit this that wasnt one of the crazy director self inserts like neil

[frail veldt]

you can check #1184888068264689756 to see what people are doing with outlaw

[autumn dragon]

im very low compared ot my usual

[frail veldt]

outlaw is better in lower keys

I think anything under like a 12 outlaw feels like an A tier spec imo

[hasty night]

Ye flat dam benefits keys where cooldown based classes suffer, still shit on bosses

[autumn dragon]

but on lower key the tank skill is even lower

[frail veldt]

doesnt really matter for outlaw

if the tank is pulling 5 mob pulls

outlaw beats everyone

in low keys

lol

[autumn dragon]

not the size

the fact they move constantly put as in bad position and loose uptime