ye that 2% wipe looks super good
#outlaw
vivid vessel
but on average
daring oxide
hmm
daring oxide
ye but having 2 buffs now feels asssssssssssssssss
stiff hawk
like 2/3/6
remote pecan
rtb needs a complete redesign imo
daring oxide
very mid on average idk
ye but when things are good, you giga blast easy
was my experience in forgeweaver
on good pulls where cto was actually proccing when i needed to
so i could KIR early
vivid vessel
ye one in 10 pulls
daring oxide
i would do
7.5-8mil dps
and on average pulls
stuck at 6.5mil
waiting for energy
stiff hawk
daring oxide
aloso like
what buffs did u have here
unique fulcrum
the trinket tuning gonna do anything for us?
royal crane
Damn zac
daring oxide
oh right
vivid vessel
not the whole fight
but like idk
how does outlaw just
energy dies
with adr 100% uptime
daring oxide
it makes sense though when u dont have broadsides up
daring oxide
less finishers
royal crane
I was confused by this tbh
vivid vessel
shit eats up all your energy
daring oxide
ye GS for sure
vivid vessel
its trash to play fb
daring oxide
now that its on a lower cd
daring oxide
when we get those 3 extra class points
in midnight
we can spend them on vigor... 🙂
red zinc
naw WE are all spending them on wound poison enhancement and slow reduction
vivid vessel
im tired of this im ngl
red zinc
ALL OF US
daring oxide
full fight vai
dam BT being your best buff feels bad
daring oxide
i did good on soul hunter tho vai look
GG, trickster 1fth?
vivid vessel
y
i do believe its the only outlaw fight in the tier
like the only fight were outlaw is playable without inting
every other boss you are inting
(not fractilus its alrght
or well
idik
assa sandbagging sims once again gg
i did get gapped by all the assa players
but i was tanky so its alright
daring oxide
i played fatebound this week on naz
because we do a strat
where we skip any adds
in 3rd wave
vivid vessel
i played trickster without pc for "prog"
daring oxide
ignore mechanics and kill boss before forced spawn
daring oxide
i played trickster without pc for "prog"
how much ST diff is 2fth for trickster?
vivid vessel
10%
another 10/12 to go fb
(yes our key build is about 25% less st than raid build)
!fuu
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delicate seal
And then made it so on dimen you can't even hit him if you're more than two steps from the edge of platform
Among other things
vivid vessel
(yes our key build is about 25% less st than raid build)
for reference assa loses the exact same amout
and is considered to have terrible key st
delicate seal
Made up for with tank pulling mobs into boss a bit
still matrix
Are our bis rings this tier, crafted? not boe
vivid vessel
assa st in keys = outlaw st
still matrix
thass mas
mighty pivot
worry not, rwf is over so tuning is coming soon 
vivid vessel
except assa win prio damage
and infinite aoe
outlaw loses about 25% prio damage
and gain meh aoe
worldly shale
sub 
vivid vessel
interesting tuning i ngl
still matrix
tuning 
mighty pivot
they are laser focused on midnight outlaw where absolutely everything is fixed
flat needle
they are laser focused on midnight outlaw where absolutely everything is fixed
Don't make me hope
vivid vessel
they are laser focused on midnight outlaw where absolutely everything is fixed
haha
so funny
they will fix the things that should have been fixed 3 years ago
flat needle
I swear i will kneel in front of the sunwell and pray for outlaw to get the target cap removed like liadril did
vivid vessel
while reworking half the spec and creating 20 more issues
cedar kernel
zac would u inter siphon life in halls or only the bolt
mighty pivot
I swear i will kneel in front of the sunwell and pray for outlaw to get the targ...
then they will remove the cap and make bf 20% like that guy was suggesting a day ago
vivid vessel
zac would u inter siphon life in halls or only the bolt
only bolts
siphon life you use aoe ccs
since its a channel
cedar kernel
got it ty
flat needle
then they will remove the cap and make bf 20% like that guy was suggesting a day...
back to the sunwell then. until my knees are bleeding
red zinc
except assa win prio damage
Blizzard is humanly conditioned to get rid of prio
vivid vessel
mighty pivot
back to the sunwell then. until my knees are bleeding
can you pray for a rogue dev who isn't afk instead
vivid vessel
Blizzard is humanly conditioned to get rid of prio
funnel is fine tho
red zinc
Removed chunk of assa prio without even intending as well
flat needle
can you pray for a rogue dev who isn't afk instead
I put it on my list
frank finch
they said they releasing their new class design philosophy soon
red zinc
nah id rather see them nerfed for real, half the assa players dont realize it now
Im tryna see ALL of them in shambles
flat needle
nah id rather see them nerfed for real, half the assa players dont realize it no...
imagine being an assa player instead of a rogue player. i will always play the spec that performs the best
red zinc
I aint pushing this season anyway this dungeon pool sucks
vivid vessel
!fuu
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red zinc
never want to see arakara again in my life
jolly geyser
ara ara
red zinc
might genuinely be the most unintentionally dogshit dungeon ever
spires is still more of a war crime but at least with that one it felt like they were trying to make the dungeon suck ass
lucid sandal
How is it so low I kinda crank on these adds
red zinc
“Damage to bosses”
inland acorn
How is it so low I kinda crank on these adds
Its boss dmg
proper veldt
(yes our key build is about 25% less st than raid build)
^ it was a response to this
uncut furnace
when are u playing with fatebound? only in raid?
red zinc
Yes
mighty pivot
or when you forget to respec for a key
red zinc
Lowkey /abandon
mighty pivot
no if it's a low key there is no need to abandon 
red zinc
you are getting sent to gary indiana
lowkey instead of leaver flags they shouldve just deported everyone who leaves to there
mighty pivot
I am not familiar enough with 'murrican cities to know if that's a sufficient punishment
uncut furnace
Since Assa rogue is completly fucked atm, im learning outlaw. What's the most common mistake ppl doing at outlaw? Any guidance? ❤️
mighty pivot
the best guidance is in #outlaw-faq while learning outlaw your AR uptime will suffer until you get the hang of it
worldly shale
Since Assa rogue is completly fucked atm, im learning outlaw. What's the most co...
i cant believe im reading this
frank finch
in raid
lucid sandal
Since Assa rogue is completly fucked atm, im learning outlaw. What's the most co...
Indicators of doing good are mostly high AR uptime and high bte/ks/coup casts
uncut furnace
Indicators of doing good are mostly high AR uptime and high bte/ks/coup casts
Im not familiar with the short form of the spells :D, whats AR?
mighty pivot
adrenaline rush
torpid fiber
There's an abbreviation guide in the FAQ which is useful because we speak in code here
hasty warren
Hi pirates
agile orchid
can't wait for outlaw to be ignored in tuning because of soulbinder and soul hunters 
molten oasis
every other boss you are inting
Is it inting if you enjoy it?
hasty warren
can't wait for outlaw to be ignored in tuning because of soulbinder and soul hun...
we're already ignored in tuning tho
mighty pivot
no fun allowed
worldly shale
Is it inting if you enjoy it?
by definition yes
agile orchid
design blogs coming soon
molten oasis
by definition yes
Hahah I play Aug so 🤔😂 I’m not inting right
mighty pivot
mid range void pistolero
vivid vessel
aug is fairly good this tier
agile orchid
0.8 sec GCDs removed to make the spec more "approachable" incoming
molten oasis
aug is fairly good this tier
It’s okey Yesh mained it since day dot Aug 1 trick
Bug abusing is fun
Playing 2p+2p lol
molten oasis
jsut saying it was played on almost every fight in race
Back end of the fight Yesh 🙂 but they are the best players in the world where Aug is VERY good
Like this is me in 1-pull 2- add phase 3- burn phase of Nexus
molten oasis
unlike you nkow which spec
I’m just having fun playing a stupid 2p 2p spec till its nerfed once its nerfed be way less damage
When you said sin gapped you would you say it’s better then sub though @vivid vessel
molten oasis
wy you playing 2p2p
2p 2p is broken ATM for SC
molten oasis
everyone i see is playing 4p
Probs don’t know that 2p 2p is out doing 4set
vivid vessel
eh
world first raiders played 4p aswell
idk
prolly woudlk be known at least a little bit
molten oasis
world first raiders played 4p aswell
Yesh they did but they played CW
vivid vessel
ah you are right
molten oasis
2p 2p sims best for me stm
molten oasis
Ye it’s more “personal damage”
vivid vessel
anarchy didnt
vivid vessel
When you said sin gapped you would you say it’s better then sub though <@352916...
sin in keys or sub
its prolly similar
molten oasis
anarchy didnt
TBH it was like 500k more dps for me to play 2p 2p but Aug sims are strange probs only like a 30k dif
vivid vessel
outoaw down low
uncut furnace
Another question, idk what's the exact name in english for this spell, my translator says murderousness, the spell where I shoot 10000 pistol shots, which. Sometimes i feel like it deals a lot of dmg, since it hits 1000 times, and sometimes it's only casting like 1 sec, with 2-3 shots, can anyone explain?
halcyon garden
Killing spree
uncut furnace
murderousness is way better than killing spree
in german it is murderousness 😄
uncut furnace
You use in it
Well that means if im using killing spree on 0 cps it's casting more?
halcyon garden
Its casting less
vivid vessel
prolly
daring oxide
Close down this channel until we get buff
uncut furnace
Its casting less
when should i use it
mighty pivot
Close down this channel until we get buff
there is a 1:10 ratio between outlaws and rets, that means the buff will be 0,5%
uncut furnace
When you see a opps
xd
halcyon garden
No i dont know but I guess its written somewhere in the guide
uncut furnace
ty
halcyon garden
I dont really play outlaw to be fair
tacit pike
do we cancel killing spree, when reached max combo points with a between the eyes?
shell fossil
kir cancels it, ho benefits from finishing the cast afaiu
fading hatch
is there anywhere that explains in detail how rerolls with KIR work? container buff etc? there have been times when i was expecting a buff (highlighted in yellow in the WA) to not change when I rerolled, but it lost duration. i am misunderstanding something i think
i've only ever played HO so this is new to me
icy hare
!rtb
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torpid fiber
what's the expected dps loss from playing a 2fth build without precise cuts in keys btw
it's presumablyt a shit ton
torpid fiber
bc i want 2fth 🙂
but yeah
the problem is that dropping GS is just kinda miserable with our ST rn
icy hare
We barely press pistol shot anyway
vivid vessel
hm
daring oxide
this might be cooked
bit
but
i think we need a new talent
like
when we enter combat, our first rtb is a 5 natty
just a buff
lime lake
lmao
vivid vessel
look hear me out vai
vivid vessel
i think rtb variance
just need to be reduced
and you know how ?
every roll is a 2
gg
fixed it
daring oxide
so no more 1 rolls
daring oxide
what does LD do
vivid vessel
then the issue is the same kinda
but the baseline of buff is hgiher
which is still good cause it reduce variance
daring oxide
i see so if we go to having 2 buffs with RTB
then we rebalance our buffs
around that
rework
or something
get rid of buried treasure
vivid vessel
i mean you could just +1 all buffs
having 2/3 buffs instead of 1/2 buffs is miles better in term of rng
you are more likely to have resources buffs
but ye
daring oxide
yeah
midnight widget
How do the buffs and nerfs to trinkets impact us?
vivid vessel
i think having rtb be always the same number of buff is also kinda cool to reduce rng idk
daring oxide
ah ok
mossy dune
Counter point more dopamine from 5 rolls
daring oxide
so we'll always just have 2 buffs
vivid vessel
yuh
daring oxide
then LD and SOH would need to be deleted and changed
maybe they could move PC onto LD 🙂
vivid vessel
ye
daring oxide
then we can take 2fth 🙂
vivid vessel
pc shoud be merged into dancing steel
lets be honest
dancing is required for pc
but its also a talent that suffer from being useless at x target count
pc is useless in st and 8+
dancing is useless at 5-
but both merged in a singular talent
boom
you have a real aoe talent
ok i wanna do more aoe i take that talent
daring oxide
that'd be nice
proven ocean
Same for assa
agile orchid
what if it's just merged into bladeflurry baseline?
vivid vessel
fuck assa
proven ocean
But we cant pick 3…we do 0 st…
daring oxide
ross just coming in here
vivid vessel
cause i was curious
hear me out here
assa loses 23% dps going from st to keys talent
ok?
proven ocean
ok
daring oxide
25%
vivid vessel
ye
proven ocean
no cappy?
daring oxide
NO CAP
proven ocean
What the helly..
daring oxide
and if they buff our ST
vivid vessel
so in conclusion !
daring oxide
!
daring oxide
but
agile orchid
it buffs our cleave
why are we pretending like our cleave is amazing lol
daring oxide
assa does 300% more aoe?
proven ocean
I mean ur comparing fb assa and fb outlaw to trickster law and ds assa?
vivid vessel
except assa got funnel
vivid vessel
I mean ur comparing fb assa and fb outlaw to trickster law and ds assa?
ye
raid vs key
daring oxide
why are we pretending like our cleave is amazing lol
our cleave isn't amazing, but its just how blizzard sees it with the recent tuning for 11.2
they nerfed BF
to buff our damage
🙂
proven ocean
Idk
daring oxide
so obviously they think
proven ocean
Should compare st talents vs aoe talents same hero tree
Cuz fb is never viable rigjt
haughty wigeon
Inb4 outlaws apex talent
proven ocean
But i do get ur point
vivid vessel
while starting from the same amount
haughty wigeon
Is something with pistolshot
vivid vessel
so we end up at the same amount anyway
proven ocean
But i do also think assa suffers way more on st
vivid vessel
also if you want some more proof
daring oxide
Zac i'm so tilted that on a 0.4% wipe i did 7.9mil dps and respectable boss damage, then kill the boss with 6.5mil...
on forge
like
proven ocean
In return we gain way more aoe
daring oxide
why is that even allowed
agile orchid
also if you want some more proof
this is so criminal
vivid vessel
But i do also think assa suffers way more on st
you think?
idk
i think if you always cd pull
daring oxide
also if you want some more proof
you know on my 0.4% i did 3.2mil dps boss
vivid vessel
you will always do my st
daring oxide
and thats still below
proven ocean
i think if you always cd pull
Bleed build is omega bad
daring oxide
devoker average
proven ocean
In st
vivid vessel
Bleed build is omega bad
ye ok but so is trickster outlaw
we lose 25% st ross
25
ross
look at this ross
vivid vessel
ok i just proved to you we simmed the same st tho
proven ocean
Especially when i use tea in a huge pack running into a boss
vivid vessel
no but
shell fossil
average outlaw gaps everything except a average hunter tho
vivid vessel
outloaw keys build st and assa keys build st sims the same
proven ocean
I know outlaw is bad and loses alot
But bleed build is like
Worse than everything on pure st
vivid vessel
outloaw keys build st and assa keys build st sims the same
like 1:1 same
proven ocean
No cappy
vivid vessel
no capi
proven ocean
Sims are fake u never run with full cds bleed build idk
U need perfect kill timer and studf
shell fossil
they need to rework blade flurry
vivid vessel
well sims dont have perfect kill timers either but ye i get yoiu
proven ocean
Like im confident nothing is worse than bleedd build
agile orchid
what is there to rework
proven ocean
On st
vivid vessel
ye sure
proven ocean
I agree same st
vivid vessel
get some funneling
proven ocean
On old build
proven ocean
With funneling its not so bad ye
daring oxide
we lose 25% st ross
the 25% loss is from 1fth, no swift slasher, what else?
proven ocean
If the funnel lives long then we blast
daring oxide
like how do we lose so much ST
vivid vessel
the 25% loss is from 1fth, no swift slasher, what else?
fb > trickset is 12%
vivid vessel
pc is antoehr 12
shell fossil
make abilities cleave without bf and make bf an actual buff
daring oxide
what can blizzard do to fix this @vivid vessel what you think?
vivid vessel
what can blizzard do to fix this <@352916297262301194> what you think?
well trickster shouldnt be tuned to do lower st for starter
agile orchid
with how much ego they have they will never uncap blade flurry
proven ocean
Sub rogue loses 0 going from raid to m+ build but i still was doing less st than fdk/warrior
vivid vessel
so idk how you do it but buff trickster by 10%
proven ocean
Its abit weird idk
shell fossil
yea it being on all the time is the end times for class balance lmao
proven ocean
I think i did die tho
vivid vessel
and we are then ok for keys
daring oxide
well trickster shouldnt be tuned to do lower st for starter
aye but what can they do to specifically buff stuff to bring trickster ST up?, unseen blades?
proven ocean
Nah
vivid vessel
idk
daring oxide
brain isn't working this morning
proven ocean
Fix the actual issues
proven ocean
Not hero talents
agile orchid
coup damage buff? idk
vivid vessel
fix trickster
daring oxide
i dont think we'd get those kind of fixes unless its a new patch right?
vivid vessel
More time to do vanish delay if I want to
daring oxide
thats why i was thinking if they do class balance tuning hotfix
vivid vessel
i dont think we'd get those kind of fixes unless its a new patch right?
Ye probably not
daring oxide
its just gonna be an aura buff?
proven ocean
More time to do vanish delay if I want to
But zac i think it makes ur rng better
agile orchid
they could
daring oxide
yes that too
vivid vessel
Cause fateboudn is also trash
proven ocean
Like
vivid vessel
Look at fracticock
agile orchid
like who cares about fatebound outlaw anyway
proven ocean
If outlaw has infinite vanishes zac
Thats like
Worse in feel but
Good rng imo
Idk
proven ocean
Oh 
vivid vessel
ye
we do
easier to have adr uptime in s3
make snese tho
ks generate cps now
so its not jsut wasted time
like it was before
adnd double coup
prolly compensate the loss in buff uptime
shell fossil
dual wield class xd
shell fossil
proven ocean
Doesn’t matter anyway i know zac understands his spec
haughty wigeon
like who cares about fatebound outlaw anyway
Sadly
It’s strong now
So we have to care
It’s crazy how they can fix fatebound with one line change
But blizzard to busy firing entire staffs to hit projected quartile income
agile orchid
It’s strong now
why play fatebound outlaw when there is assa or sub
haughty wigeon
Cause I like outlaw
This is the same argument I heard about arms warrior sucking
“Fury is right there” ya I rather have my ballsack stapled to my thighs then play fury. Just buff arms
agile orchid
if they are so scared of fatebound being op (lol), they could just nerf coin damage or something
daring oxide
adnd double coup
so regarding this, i need to play better, I've found myself hitting 4 EB stacks faster sometimes due to 2p procs, so I need to get into a habit again of looking at EB more closely, and delay vanish more, because sometimes I send vanish right as I get 4 EB stacks and I've wasted unseen, and also delayed double couping and stuff
vivid vessel
so regarding this, i need to play better, I've found myself hitting 4 EB stacks ...
yes
vai im working on smth
the title will be
"how to fix outlaw 101"
maybe
proven ocean
Scientist zac coming in hot
heady gale
do you want to spend coup with 5-6 cps? or you can just spend it at any cp?
wintry solar
Yall should start preparing for the idea that the outlaw rework might not be what you want at all.
daring oxide
"how to fix outlaw 101"
please share with me when the cook is done
wintry solar
I don't want a 6hr slowmode :(
vivid vessel
please share with me when the cook is done
bro its cooking hard rn
daring oxide
vai im working on smth
I'm also working on some vanish rules changes as well, around EB stacks
daring oxide
will share in TC when i get a chance, but im just mostly hitting dummies atm and kinda trying to get a feel for delaying vanish even more now, but not dropping it, but trying to get more double coups off smoothly etc
then will try to add it to APL and see if it actually is worth
the problem is 1fth just being so ass though sometimes
it just fucks building sometimes so badly with no BS
makes it feel awful, waiting for energy
vivid vessel
ye
proven ocean
Ya
vivid vessel
Just press the button that feels the best
Thats what sims the best
Gg
Goated spec
misty bridge
Would be cool if they allowed UB to stack higher but still only cost 4 for coup
wispy swan
how do we feel about the Astral Antenna nerf?
vivid vessel
Idk I'm numb I don't feel anything anymore
gaunt phoenix
It was like 0.5% ahead of other trinkets so it's prob the same shit now
obsidian totem
@vivid vessel yo whats your cursor gcd weak aura? cant find somefind clean like this (nvm im blind(nvm im not still cant find(nvm its good)))
somber mantle
i'm a little confused about kir, rolling and supercharger. i understand the rules for rolling, but since kir is sitting on a lot of buffs, which you obviously don't roll away, doesn't that fuck with supercharger a lot? it just seems weird, that you would like to roll as often as possible, while not being able to, cause of the rules for rolling
torpid fiber
beat a pug outlaw 10ilevel ahead of me by 20% 🫡
gaunt phoenix
Supercharger just has to beat vigor. It does not have to completely define your rotation
It's just kind of how it works out that we roll enough to make it good
somber mantle
didn't think about that, makes sense. vigor seems pretty useless
rare gulch
is it better to send second coup on more cps?
for me it feels like the second coup do tons of dmg if u sent it on full cps
gaunt phoenix
You try to build cps for it but you send coup early if you have to ss
To minimize wasting unseen blade
spare dome
i mean like
idk if its true
you can ps
so you use it on 1st coup, or second
should be second right? cos of 150% damage
young prism
I think coup should have a chance to award combo points
ocean imp
Am I the only one who has a bug that makes vanish not work? It consumes a charge but doesn't give subterfuge
young prism
Like we have in bte
ocean imp
Oops, sorry for the question drop in the middle of a conversation
gaunt phoenix
should be second right? cos of 150% damage
If you know your next coup will be early it prolly is better
that happens when you break stealth with a trinket
south scaffold
!gear
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shell fossil
is there a write up somewhere about what fatebound buffs we should track?
gaunt palm
If you gain coup during stealth window, do you send it if next builder would be SS? It mostly happens during the end of the window, so building up for a new BTE is not even guaranteed
shell fossil
okay, also semi related but tracking fazed with plater?
gaunt phoenix
You should still SS unless it's the last global i guess
Yeah you should see fazed on plater
gaunt palm
Just feels bad to send SS and lose a potential new stack, and then ending up not even sending more BTEs in the window
tawdry linden
Is Antenna still BiS after the nerf? 🙂
gaunt phoenix
We'll see in a bit
lime lake
tawdry linden
Having to wait for it to be live to sim it properly? 🙂
glass mortar
Am I the only one who has a bug that makes vanish not work? It consumes a charge...
U have a trinket macrod to vanish
?
torpid fiber
i have a delve map but not a key, do i have to have the bountiful key to get the hero item from the delve map?
heavy shadow
What in the name of fuck made them decide that vanishing on a boss can reset on it in the Delves (Ky'veza fight). Is it random? Or does Bran need to have feign death or something at the same time
hasty warren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pVeEb6ry26hKar5X12MA1b
There's a way to see my stats on raidbot from this sim ?
worldly shale
What in the name of fuck made them decide that vanishing on a boss can reset on ...
U need to not be in a gcd
Vanish and insta bte
old gull
Any of those trinket updates relevant?
worldly shale
Any of those trinket updates relevant?
Only antenna i would guess
heavy shadow
U need to not be in a gcd
Yeah I know more or less but I swear sometimes it just resets even if you're in it
worldly shale
We will sim tho
worldly shale
Yeah I know more or less but I swear sometimes it just resets even if you're in ...
Tbh the more i played it happened less
I just literally waited for gcd to end
Then another half a secon
Then vanish bte
Didnt happen since
XD
Also u can vanish during the guess the right one thing
To save ar
wintry solar
What in the name of fuck made them decide that vanishing on a boss can reset on ...
I wonder if blizz is taking this as feedback and putting crackshot on something else
wintry solar
Holy moly!
After 22 ace procs in a row you may as well quit because you won't be topping that
torpid fiber
i have a delve map but not a key, do i have to have the bountiful key to get the...
oh hey i got a hero haste/crit weapon
that's pog
heavy shadow
Tbh the more i played it happened less
tbh though shouldn't the fact Bran is there not mean it shouldn't happen anyway?
crimson arch
to sim for m+, do u guys just use dungeonslice?
civic void
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pVeEb6ry26hKar5X12MA1b
There's a way to s...
Run a quick sim from the one you want to see the stats then on the right you will have something to see the simc report
worldly shale
tbh though shouldn't the fact Bran is there not mean it shouldn't happen anyway?
bran also gets stealth
to my understanding
heavy shadow
Certainly NOT true when you actually want to vanish 😛
torpid fiber
oh this reminds me
is there a mechanic in the post office area of streets to dodge the stuns that i was missing or is it just rng stuns
lime lake
if you stun the mobs as they try to open the cages they wont let the chickens out
so no stuns
toxic laurel
why would the chicken not come out too ?
lime lake
they arent allowed to use doors
not without being invited
they're kinda like vampires
toxic laurel
damn !
lime lake
sometimes one will walk through a wall though
ocean imp
that happens when you break stealth with a trinket
Ooooo, I don't have macros but I might press trinket first before BtE while in stealth, ty
cinder summit
!up
ornate heathBOT
heavy shadow
Honestly how many attempts did it take most of you to do this ?? level?
lime lake
i didnt keep track but i think it was probably around like 70 or so
but im kinda shit at the game
heavy shadow
Even just the daggers on the floor I mess up too
tight kernel
red zinc
Chickens are random pathing crazy mode
They will just run a marathon to outside sometimes
Is what it is
indigo token
What in the name of fuck made them decide that vanishing on a boss can reset on ...
the thing is like
i get that
but crackshot windows feel like crack
sonic pawn
@heavy shadow Turn off AA and set outline mode to high helps for kyveza ??
heavy shadow
first is anti aliasing right?
and
I have this but the ones which are fucking me over are the ones directly behind me 😛 skill issue I know
sonic pawn
yeah
heavy shadow
and the ones which spawn inside each other and double the same area
I keep panic moving haha
heavy shadow
still though best 69%, just gotta keep plugging. A good challenge
I swear I've died to the daggers more
sonic pawn
whats your ilvl ? do you have 4 set and are you fatebound ?
heavy shadow
703, yes, yes
I feel like the daggers is the most rng aspect of it, I keep getting clipped and sometimes there's just no where to go
I feel like there's a circle to get used to
sonic pawn
if u find yourself in a bad spot you can always cloak
But at your gear lvl you should be able to do it fairly easily
heavy shadow
Do you use healer brann and tricks onto him or not?
still matrix
Can anyone remember the site to see cross-realm AH prices?
heavy shadow
sonic pawn
I did use healer brann with hatarag + aegis or audio amplification crystal . I did not tricks brann no
still matrix
https://undermine.exchange/
Isn't there a site that lets you compare vs other realms vs just choosing 1?
sonic pawn
should also take elusivness and not cheat
heavy shadow
Isn't there a site that lets you compare vs other realms vs just choosing 1?
It does compare, search an item then scroll down and it has realm prices
white marten
Outlaw buffs soon boys
heavy shadow
should also take elusivness and not cheat
isn't eveything one shot or you just mean for the melee dmg?
sonic pawn
yeah exactly for that
heavy shadow
I'm using Etheral energy / battered aegis
Hatarang is grey quality but 20% is 20% I guess
slate forge
Outlaw buffs soon boys
No dev no changes
wintry solar
They're busy cooking outlaw changes
midnight granite
ocean imp
Honestly how many attempts did it take most of you to do this ?? level?
I had an attempt where she was at 50% and she instantly reset on a vanish
I love and hate outlaw
heavy shadow
yeah 100% it's not accruate, just a slight lag and a perfect attempt ruined
ocean imp
Sometimes she takes like 3 seconds to reset
On a vanish
Sometimes she instantly resets
Fortunately it happened only twice in like 50 attempts but it's still annoying
heavy shadow
It will happen on 5% I know it
glass mortar
ive only pulled her 30 times but she reset 1 time at ~70% on that pull
i think it has to do with the timing on her mechanics because as long as brann is alive, stuff shouldnt really reset
but it seems like when she spawns in certain mechanics she resets her aggro for a second
and if u vanish then she can reset even with brann shooting her 
i havent tried it enough to determine exactly what causes it
tropic zephyr
I have an ungodly amount of tries on her from no mythic week, and sometimes she just insta goes away even with GCD ready
idk why
tropic zephyr
light kernel
7% buff inc
idle trout
tropic zephyr
the big problem is our prio
7% buff and we're still behind everybody on prio rofl
i hate that we lost this part of our kit, it was my way of coping in big aoe packs
"im useful guys i swear"
muted crest
7% buff inc
Source?
glass mortar
it came to me in a dream (delusion)
hybrid crown
I did it week 1 and my kill took 12 minutes because I was hard focusing on mechanics
I didn't count wipes but.. a lot
tropic zephyr
12m and surviving ggs
strong halo
i havent tried it enough to determine exactly what causes it
I found that the resets only happen if you vanish at beginning of mechanics.
tropic zephyr
i have a 5% wipe at 9:30
strong halo
I think I found every bug on that fight
tropic zephyr
glass mortar
yea that sounds about right for the 1 reset i got
i think i vanished right as she was starting a barrage of something
but idr i havent tried it since w1
strong halo
Yeah wait a second, but there’s also a rare chance brann feign deaths at same time
copper radish
When more aura buffs for outlaw?
strong halo
Also sometimes save cloak for pool phase 🙂 it bugs and you take dmg bean takes
tropic zephyr
yeah, vurai was tricksing the dino
this can help
when he's there
gotta kill the egg
strong halo
The weirdest bug I got was in the shuffle phase it just tripled so I saw like 100 models moving
hybrid crown
For me it was brann face pulling the boss
hybrid crown
He just ran straight in lol
strong halo
Sometime bran got caught in pool and I would take same dmg as brann super weird
glass mortar
it was very funny that week i do remember lots of people crying in here how their brann kept suiciding to pulls
and i didnt know what to tell them cause every pull i tried the fight my brann would avoid every mechanic automatically and never die
strong halo
i think i vanished right as she was starting a barrage of something
Two things that helped me; for lasers always step behind 1st set, and for facing her remember only an active clone dashes. So aim for active clone
glass mortar
r people rlly out here facing the wrong clone
hybrid crown
Enabling and focusing on the red outlines on the clones makes it the easiest mechanic
glass mortar
thats the entire mechanic
strong halo
One time I had a bug where there was only 1 pull sometimes 2
hybrid crown
Only look at the outlines
glass mortar
i usually just look for the giant red beam on the floor in front of them
strong halo
r people rlly out here facing the wrong clone
There’s 6. Usually the times I died was back to back to back 180 flicks
That’s the hardest part imo
glass mortar
yea the back to back ones r annoying
i had one with 3 clones ~160 from each other it was brutal
mint crater
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
mint crater
!macros
strong halo
But ever since I’m a contract killer I do 30% more dmg
And I had to switch to bigger underwear
tropic zephyr
and i didnt know what to tell them cause every pull i tried the fight my brann w...
is your brann max lvl or close to it?
tropic zephyr
mine is low level (40 ish i think) and he died from time to time
random stirrup
and i didnt know what to tell them cause every pull i tried the fight my brann w...
didnt happen to me once until i called mewo a noob for having it happen to him
jolly geyser
surely valeera will be smarter
random stirrup
then i had 5 sub 30% pulls end to him running into a pool and dying
glass mortar
wonder how long i could live this fight with a dps brann 
strong halo
I had a 4% wipe and my friend joined discord yapping as I was locked in
Tbh it’s kinda crazy how many bugs that fight has
late swallow
@vivid vessel thoughts on grenoble?
vivid vessel
no idea never went
barren skiff
Have we considered shutting down the discord? 🤣
real flax
no idea never went
ah mais tu es tomelvis en fait
vivid vessel
real saddle
open vault as sin or outlaw?
slate forge
Flip coin rng spec need rng loot
torpid fiber
Have we considered shutting down the discord? 🤣
60 minute slow mode imo
mighty pivot
slow mode might force people to type things in one message 
glass mortar
i mean technically we are sandbagging
glass mortar
outlaw is only so low on the boss damage logs because we are going filthy trickster PC padding builds on several fights
which turbo nukes our damage!!!!
filthy sandbaggers the lot of u
vivid vessel
It's not sandbag it's brain damage
slate forge
Playing class without dev is pretty hard sandbagging
glass mortar
just go fatebound cleave and dont do any damage anyway because of how fatebound works!!!!!
vivid vessel
random stirrup
It's not sandbag it's brain damage
famously, outlaw players cannot read
barren skiff
famously, outlaw players cannot read
I feel called out
torpid fiber
famously, outlaw players cannot read
idk what this says
glass mortar
well first of all zac
vivid vessel
so you do 0 damag
glass mortar
im joking
vivid vessel
im not
glass mortar
a majority of even these logs r fatebound
last i checked
all the low target count ones anyway
vivid vessel
not true
last i checked mythic 2nd boss
i was the only one not playing pc
90% of logs were pc
mighty pivot
go pad kings 
slate forge
92% deft is worse IMO
random stirrup
on prog
i think the bigger problem is that people playing outlaw already are okay with inting prog a bit no?
glass mortar
wtf is second boss
random stirrup
so might as well take pc
vivid vessel
of these 100 logs @glass mortar do you know which one isnt pc
its me
im the only one
torpid fiber
Ok but is second boss hard enough to need to not pad on it
fervent garden
whats pc? i know fatebound and trick
random stirrup
Ok but is second boss hard enough to need to not pad on it
no but it does make your spec look good on logs when it isnt good
glass mortar
ok but zac
torpid fiber
whats pc? i know fatebound and trick
Personal Computer
vivid vessel
Ye
glass mortar
did fatebound really help
vivid vessel
I had no gear week 1 tho
I didn't play fb I played trickster st
Thought it would do more boss damage
glass mortar
tru tru
glass mortar
yea trickster and boss damage feels like an int
vivid vessel
Need to sim
glass mortar
i bet
vivid vessel
It's definitely a toss up
vivid vessel
Ye idk
vivid vessel
Lok was thinking about that
torpid fiber
fervent garden
Personal Computer
jackass. funny though
torpid fiber
jackass. funny though
Actual answer is Precise Cuts.
vivid vessel
this was week 1 ye
i was so ahead on boss damage
than any of the other rogue
i cant just check week 1 doesnt owrk
still matrix
If we were getting tuning today would it have released already
glass mortar
all i know is im finna blast this week
unreal drum
are the trinket changes enough to change anything?
vivid vessel
this was my weapon cuh
glass mortar
they buffed my stupid 2m on use haste trinket thing by like 10%
vivid vessel
so my choice was correct
glass mortar
vivid vessel
i did infinite more boss damage than everyone
that were useless
padding
on useless adds
on prog i might add
ok granted the boss was 1 pulled
but prolly not for everyone
digital linden
😭
craggy quiver
I miss s2 tier set
digital linden
It was an easy boss for most I think brother
craggy quiver
digital linden
Haha I’ll be honest yes
vivid vessel
see
light kernel
do u guys play wound poison in halls?
digital linden
But the adds in my group weren’t dying
vivid vessel
do u guys play wound poison in halls?
ye
random stirrup
ok granted the boss was 1 pulled
only because us trailblazers made the incredible strat for all the rest of you noobs
craggy quiver
do u guys play wound poison in halls?
Only on the mini boss
digital linden
But ye the boss wasn’t difficult in any way and even for my mediocre guild we killed it same day we got there
proven ocean
fading hatch
if I roll a buff I already have after KIR, and the KIR duration is higher than base RTB duration, would it reduce it back to base? or keep it higher? There is some inconsistencies with it that i'm trying to figure out
fading hatch
ok thank you, i think this makes sense to me now because that was happening sometimes. but i'd never lose the buff so its still worth to press
vivid vessel
y
fading hatch
do I reroll 1 buff with supercharger? advanced faq in discord says yes, wowhead guide says no (no mention of supercharger)
ornate heathBOT
How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)
- Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
- Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
- Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
- After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.
vivid vessel
that doesnt happen really
fading hatch
yeah true i guess you'd more often end up with at least 2 by the time rtb comes back