outlaw

[frail veldt]

fazed drops a lot

and its very annoying

I find myself sitting on a coup sometimes with no target that has fazed

and I just want to die

[copper radish]

I wish they increased the % trickster reduces KS cooldown to 50%

[craggy quiver]

Yea it does so does kick.

[vivid vessel]

crismon vial doesnt cancel ks

actual op btw

free vial in ks

every time

[copper radish]

Vial evasion and feint can all be used during KS

[frail veldt]

true

[craggy barn]

good

[ocean lodge]

have they added a better method to quickly get a stack of bubbling wax since s1?

[frail veldt]

I feint and vial almost very KS haha

[shell fossil]

feels bad if rtb is falling off during ks

[frail veldt]

I kinda like that

cuz it doesnt matter

you dont need rtb during KS

[willow portal]

do i use bf on loomithar?

[shell fossil]

i lost a global tho

[craggy barn]

no

let everyone else kill the web and just tunnel boss

[slate forge]

Gm works no?

[frail veldt]

yeah true

I just never rtb before KS

even if buffs are falling

cuz I dont liek to supercharge a KS

when im gona cancel it early anyway

I dont think its a gain/loss to do so but it just feels bad

[glass mortar]

wait that goes crazy tho

we can finally ever press this button

[shell fossil]

yeah wish it had a part 2 when you hit max combo points

[vivid vessel]

ye

[willow portal]

really?

[quaint mauve]

bruh lwkey make my trinket cds be affected by cdr

[slate forge]

We can’t use the halls trinket in ks right?

[shell fossil]

idk haven't played ho this season yet so cancelling feels normal

[copper radish]

Fk mechs

[willow portal]

are those some real takes or you guys just cooked?

[copper radish]

Semi cooked

[willow portal]

[glass mortar]

i mean u can swap out to the web if u need to but ur rarely gunna get to cleave web and boss

it doesnt live until it gets that close

[craggy barn]

what raid level lol

[glass mortar]

unless u have too many people greeding

[random stirrup]

the webs are kind of a ranged job

[craggy barn]

hc/normal fuck the web

[willow portal]

watch me do webs

mythic

[glass mortar]

but also like

[random stirrup]

destro at the bottom

[glass mortar]

put BF before the fight starts

[willow portal]

was dead

[glass mortar]

and it never falls off again

so if u do end up hitting webs and are in cleave range

🤷

[quaint mauve]

how typical…

[honest yarrow]

Destro lock that low is crazy, just throw havoc on the boss lol

[random stirrup]

destro not way at the top*

[quaint mauve]

i still remember my guild was hardstuck mythic halondrus in SL bc our locks always died in intermission

LOL

[random stirrup]

there are quite a few ranged specs that just obliterate the tangles, hard to do as a melee especially if you're soaking a far pylon and missing a lot of the opportunities to kill tangles

[copper radish]

How does a death pact lock die

[honest yarrow]

They pressed it after the damage went out instead of before

[tight kernel]

How is lfg still dead

[quaint mauve]

ru NA

[copper radish]

People at work rn

[shell fossil]

arax filters pugs

[frail veldt]

its 11am on monday

or 2pm if youre east coast

like cmon

haha

wow players are old they got jobs

[quaint mauve]

best combo

[quaint mauve]

im on

heh…

[frail veldt]

do you like switch back and forth?

drink em at the same time?

OH

or mix em?

[quaint mauve]

back and forth

[shell fossil]

throw milk in the dc

[quaint mauve]

if i get tired

[frail veldt]

stop

[quaint mauve]

i sip the monster

[copper radish]

Bro is double fisting health problems w them drinks 😂

[frail veldt]

I mean theyre both sugar free at least

[quaint mauve]

LOL

i love aspartame

[copper radish]

Aspartame so bad lol

[tight kernel]

real

[willow portal]

problem is that it does drop for me

ar drops too

[copper radish]

If you have that phenyl thing aspartame can killl yr brain 😂

[tight kernel]

I feel like Zac during s2 when he didnt have a full push team

[quaint mauve]

let’s Q double ol 10s

heh

[tight kernel]

15s

[quaint mauve]

i don’t have that yet

[tight kernel]

need 2 mroe resils

[frail veldt]

I think sugars worse still

[quaint mauve]

i just got 13 resil

[willow portal]

i dont have enough screen for my keys

[quaint mauve]

the goals to live to atleast 60

[frail veldt]

aspartame's carcinogenic effects are still kinda like wishy washy its hard to tell if the research is like being lobbied against or what haha

[shell fossil]

also if you get ace procs and cp reset and blade flurry is down

do you flurry at 6-7 or wait and use bf as cp generator

[frail veldt]

sheeeeeeeesh

can you share that wa

someone wants the idol lol

[tight kernel]

idol feels so meh

[frail veldt]

really?

[tight kernel]

like it feels good but at the same time

[frail veldt]

it sims so good

[tight kernel]

its good

[frail veldt]

I have pacemaker right now

and I hate it

[tight kernel]

but idk not a fan

does a lot of dps esp if u hold for big aoe since uncapped

[frail veldt]

ITS UNCAPPED!?

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[honest yarrow]

Time to farm halls?

[tight kernel]

yeah

[frail veldt]

bro

I need dis shit

holy

[tight kernel]

lmao

[spare dome]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[willow portal]

what idol, i got 3 of those

bro i want gloves

[honest yarrow]

What’s our offset? Gloves?

[frail veldt]

ye

[honest yarrow]

[willow portal]

cant get link idk, so here the export

[gaunt phoenix]

where tuning

race is over!!!!

[covert kestrel]

He's hacking my mainframe

Ban him solo

[copper radish]

Idol feels so amazing to press with big mob pulls. Then you also get like 100% crit after pressing it lol

[quaint mauve]

im getting double gulp fucked man

no ones want me in their 14

[shell fossil]

scary

[copper radish]

Idol plus what other trink for keys this season. Ara trink? Or sigil

[frail veldt]

Sigil I think

Sigil, antenna, warpclaw

all good

[copper radish]

Feel like sigil. Top ST and up there for aoe

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

cant wait for next RWF

[copper radish]

Oh boys he’s awake

[worldly shale]

u were schleeping

betrayer

[proven ocean]

wdym sleeping

[copper radish]

U mean in what 8 months? Lol

[proven ocean]

been up for 5 hrs

oh

u mean in the race

ye

[worldly shale]

during kill

XD

[proven ocean]

fk me i know

[red zinc]

Idek how rwf will work next tier

Cause the 6 boss raid is apparently not super hard

[tight kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

Racing to wf most declined

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[red zinc]

Like last boss of voidspire is equivalent to fractillus in difficulty

Only that 2 boss raid will be hard

[proven ocean]

nah

if its mythic there will be difficulty for sure

that'll mean entire raiding scene will be in shambles

they wont do that

raiding is like

half the game

[red zinc]

I mean

the 2 boss raid will be the last bosses of the tier

They literally just said they split up a normal 9 boss raid in 3 raids

[proven ocean]

idk but im pretty sure ur missing something

there will be a rwf

same one as usual

[red zinc]

Ye for the last 2 boss raid

That comes out later on

[quaint mauve]

week 1 i had 300 declines b4 getting into a 10

[red zinc]

im sure theyll do a rwf for the other one too but it wont be as difficult as normal

[tight kernel]

bro im higher io than the fucks declining me

outlaw feels good

[red zinc]

kinda sick if the true rwf is 2 weeks in though since there wont be as many splits

[willow portal]

[red zinc]

geared already

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s4JsEXPR5SzctpGWkgBnWo

Oathsworn angle boys

[buoyant cosmos]

Seeing them take some assa schmuk over us after declining feelsbad

[copper radish]

How do they choose which of the 3 mythic raids to start with 😂

[tight kernel]

seeing them repost key as a 14 after depleting feelsbetter tho \

[copper radish]

Chose one and the other guild goes another and you losing out on a RWF 😂

[buoyant cosmos]

They're time gated

[copper radish]

Oh boy more time gates

[buoyant cosmos]

iirc the raids are 1 boss, 2 boss, 6 boss unlock

[copper radish]

So we gotta beat 1 and 2 to get the 6 boss raid? Lmao

[buoyant cosmos]

I dunno about beat, but they're just staggering the releases

I wonder if one will be tuned like that BFA two boss raid

And you come back to it with tier

[covert kestrel]

I thought the 6 one was first

[red zinc]

Yeah

6 and 1 boss at the same time

[covert kestrel]

No way Blizz would put the main raid last for rwf

[red zinc]

2 boss raid 2-3 weeks after

i mean

[desert tendon]

6 bosses raid and old dungeon in m+ pool

[red zinc]

The 2 boss raid is the main raid

like theyve stated multiple times already

[desert tendon]

In 5 years they ll do raid revamp and only old dungeon in m+

Great content

[red zinc]

That it follows the same loot pattern as old raids with higher ilvl the further you go

and the same difficulty curve also

So voidspire will apparently be boss 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7

The 1 boss raid will be boss 4

And final raid will be bosses 8 and 9

[desert tendon]

Wtf

[buoyant cosmos]

I must have missed that

Was crucible of storms a fun raid to prog?

[sullen wyvern]

anyone having issues trying to log in?

[buoyant cosmos]

not on NA

[craggy quiver]

Hell no

[sullen wyvern]

randomly dcd me now I cant log into any character

[red zinc]

there was a more indepth interview somewhere else

trying to find that one

its a partial solution for splits ruining RWF at least but it makes everyone elses gameplay experience worse

[buoyant cosmos]

World first stacked shadow priests or something iirc

[red zinc]

so i dont really know what to think about this

[buoyant cosmos]

If they just tuned the raid without splits and told them not to do them or they'd ban them a bad idea?

sounds really heavy handed typing it out

[red zinc]

they dont really interfere with rwf outside of exploits

[craggy quiver]

I forgot I only did it on heroic but no one did that shit on mythic

[buoyant cosmos]

the hands off approach is nice

[craggy quiver]

Apparently it was hell lol

[red zinc]

like this change isnt related to RWF either, their reason for it is "smaller raid zones allowing more variety in encounters"

[next wedge]

is Perfidious Projector sim bait?

it's outsimming antenna

[red zinc]

you probably lack haste

[buoyant cosmos]

which sounds cool at face value

[next wedge]

without projector equipped im at 19.44%

[red zinc]

then it isnt simbait

[late swallow]

multiple raids at the same time is goated

[red zinc]

itd be cool if we got even more bosses from it

[next wedge]

in ST maybe bad

[red zinc]

i think

[late swallow]

unemployment chads are eating good with this one

[red zinc]

we are only going from 8 to 9 total with this

[late swallow]

per raid?

[red zinc]

no

[late swallow]

24-27 bosses in a tier

imagine bro

[buoyant cosmos]

"player housing will cost us a raid tier"

[late swallow]

yeah uh hey guildies, we're going from a 2 day to a 5 day schedule

[buoyant cosmos]

every expansion for the rest of time

[red zinc]

they already went lower because they were struggling to make 9-10+ bosses a raid

these seperate raids (difficulty aside) better make it so they can make insanely creative encounters multiple times per tier

or really good end boss style visuals

[tight kernel]

[buoyant cosmos]

World of queuecraft popping off

Might be a run your key angle

[late swallow]

yeah uhhhh lemme get uhhh magtheridon's lair 3 times

[tight kernel]

key is saved for team

[buoyant cosmos]

valid

[late swallow]

he's saving himself ❤️

[buoyant cosmos]

Whatcha got

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ewwCPu2CB9Hczt8x8HcuNS LONGEST SIM OF MY LIFE

16 hoa

[buoyant cosmos]

cursed

[tight kernel]

ye we try zac route agai

this time no houndmaster kick

cover bolts instead

[buoyant cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm starting to wonder if they changed how casters target people to make them more likely to focus the same person

[vivid vessel]

no but these casters were tank only before

[buoyant cosmos]

Got it, they do spam a lot now

Did the grounds keepers always sprint like this too?

[glass mortar]

i mean crucible wasnt hated because it was a 2 boss raid

it was hated because it was mid season between two other real raid tiers and very unbalanced on release wasnt it

also i thought the world first comp was like 5 ele shamans

[quaint mauve]

bro only out dpsd me bc we wiped and i was losing adr

and hes having a tantrum bc i killed him ONE wipe on last boss with cloak

like

[desert tendon]

Passiv aggressiv damn

That s some NA shit

[late swallow]

honey, sweetie it's time for your weekly 24 death no leaver vault key

[quaint mauve]

I LOVE MONDAYS

I LOVEW VAULTS

[buoyant cosmos]

A friend sent me this last night, she plays with her family.

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-bell-gif-27646997

[buoyant cosmos]

Schmoove off

[desert tendon]

Did they finish the key ?

[buoyant cosmos]

I think so

[craggy barn]

does netherprism stacks survive through loading screens/keystart

[gaunt phoenix]

looks like it resets on raid encounter or M+ start

[craggy barn]

kk

[copper radish]

its not over till its over

[buoyant cosmos]

They were all Randy last night.

[maiden quail]

damn right keep flipping coins till the button don't work

99% of rogues quit just before they get their BiS

[deep sand]

idk man, 10 dawnbreakers, still no offhand

[buoyant cosmos]

Did you sim the vendor cugdel?

[deep sand]

ye using it

just the shitty one from vendor, no luck in bags

[buoyant cosmos]

it's better than a 4/6 hero sword for me, dunno how personal it is

same

[willow portal]

jo i am top 35 on loomithar

pog

do i upgrade this now with my last 60 crests?

[vivid vessel]

enchant it first maybe

[willow portal]

i bought that already

but what about upgrade

[buoyant cosmos]

Did you do a ring already?

[willow portal]

free hc crest

[buoyant cosmos]

ahh

[sudden fulcrum]

what is that mog bro

[willow portal]

fitting to my gameplay

@vivid vessel do i upgrade now, raid break is ending

[vivid vessel]

mythic slot

goodge

[merry light]

how you sim as outllaw? dung slice or 5 targets?

[buoyant cosmos]

slice

[willow portal]

so

mythic boes cant be traded in raid?

[cold jewel]

not if it's an upgrade

i got a leather chest @ 714 this week i couldn't trade either

🤑

[frail veldt]

oh damn I didnt know that

thats actually super shitty wtf

[cold jewel]

yuh

[frail veldt]

they really dont like boe farming eh

[cold jewel]

my monk is 709 with 30 gilded crests still chilling, the thing saved me 30 gilded crests

[raven socket]

What trinket are y'all using ? I don't know what to chase tbh

[willow portal]

wapclaw

i got this for now but i also grabbed the vers trinket from delve and most dungeons trinkets

[buoyant cosmos]

Idol from Halls is good

The mental toll of running halls over and over has yet to be investigated though.

[clear tulip]

im in aldani california prison

[buoyant cosmos]

Burning your eyes on the sand is great

[willow portal]

💀

[buoyant cosmos]

find jesus my brother

[raven socket]

This looks like me on Stratholme when i played classic back in the days

My days were eating,sleep,running stratholme

[vapid sundial]

dawg

this is normal

what do u mean find jesus

mans didnt play during SL

and having to farm plaguefalls season after season

[buoyant cosmos]

Still miserable

[vapid sundial]

I mean yeah

its ass

[buoyant cosmos]

I played S1/S4 SL, so I missed the brunt of all that

[willow portal]

trickster or fatebound for araz mythic?

[willow portal]

hasnt dropped yet, what armor piece is this jesus

[willow portal]

plageufall gang, we gonna get us that poxstorm

[vapid sundial]

2 items

[buoyant cosmos]

probably shoulders, for that warm embrace

[vapid sundial]

trinket and pox

such a terrible item

to be forced to farm

[willow portal]

they should have left the explode boys in plagefall tho

was fun to clear some of the dungeon with them

[buoyant cosmos]

the little dudes w/ the barrels?

[willow portal]

why is there no sire denathrius in dungeons btw, feels wasted to not have him as recurring enemy

[willow portal]

was it barrels? wasnt it just themselves?

i remember that echo abused the fuck out of them with bugged missdirect and then they got patched

no fun allowed

[still matrix]

Are the entropy rings unique for that specific stat or you can only equip 1?

regardless if it's entropy

[willow portal]

it says unique-eq

probably locked to name

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't recall, but they were fun.

[still matrix]

yer unique-eq

dont wanna test buying another

lol

[willow portal]

if you send me one i will try for you

:)

[still matrix]

Where do they loot from is it a raid boe?

The 8k vers one looks so juice

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ewwCPu2CB9Hczt8x8HcuNS

Idol time

[willow portal]

they are raid boe yes

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1406415261082320947/ZacFetchRavenholdt3.gif

[willow portal]

[cold jewel]

you sponsored by redbull yet?

[fair oak]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-mordret's-game-trap-gif-126386136740317984

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-apple-dog-dog-ai-ai-dog-gif-16995962241198781347

[south scaffold]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[cloud plinth]

Am I crazy or is the blade flurry bug back that causes it to fall off seemingly at random?

[blissful thunder]

!prepull

[tulip stag]

Hey, is there a slice and dice bug?

[stiff vector]

Ye I have a 720 one, it does big dam, especially in priory/ara

[proven ocean]

...

WHERE

DOES IT SAY

ZEROCOOL

????????????????????

@vivid vessel

explane

what the helly

[desert tendon]

lucky you zac to have zerocool in your chat wtf

[red zinc]

welcome zerocool thanks for the raid zerocool

[junior fractal]

anyone know how immuning collapsing star works for last boss of hardmode taz? Do you cloak first and then soak all 4 charges, or soak and then cloak off?

[red zinc]

doubt the 4 charges thing is possible

[proven ocean]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/midnight#blz-optin-1

everypme

opt in

[cloud plinth]

I'm definitely losing blade flurry testing on target dummies in dornogal. Sometimes it hangs around for a few seconds, but it often disappears after seconds, sometimes almost immediately. wtf

[red zinc]

didnt you preorder the 90 dollar edition ross

[proven ocean]

@Every0ne

[vivid vessel]

i know right

im so thankfull for zerocool

big raid !

[proven ocean]

?!

[red zinc]

if you have the epic edition preorder you get guaranteed beta again

[vivid vessel]

ye but

timmy

[proven ocean]

ye but

timmy

[vivid vessel]

you were getting it earlier

depending on luck

[red zinc]

oh

[proven ocean]

ye cuh

so u opt in

[vivid vessel]

or if you are a wowhead writter

[proven ocean]

and buy

and everything

[vivid vessel]

os you optin in

and buy

[red zinc]

zeross did not know that ima be honest

[vivid vessel]

and then opt in with alt account

and then opt in with the third account

and then opt in with the 4th account

[proven ocean]

no cappy

[crisp moss]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[red zinc]

get some hoes @vivid vessel

[proven ocean]

wait

[vivid vessel]

you on salmadar @proven ocean

[proven ocean]

u making other bnet acc's?

zac

[willow portal]

with my mythic boe ring would it be big troll to just craft gloves or bracers for second embelish later?

[proven ocean]

no im on forgeweaver

guild is casual so ye

[desert tendon]

ty @proven ocean coolx again for the raid

[red zinc]

zerosscool

i ship it

[vivid vessel]

oooh

okok

saladar

is one of the best fight

i have ever played

[proven ocean]

no cappy?

[vivid vessel]

very cool

[proven ocean]

waiot rly

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

very mechanical

[proven ocean]

i see i see

[cinder relic]

Saladar is alright

[vivid vessel]

i cant communicate

on that

[cinder relic]

I like the movement u have to do in p1

[proven ocean]

oh

u mean

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

this zac

?

[red zinc]

zac try to spell his name incorrectly as many different ways possible challenge

[vivid vessel]

i mean i seen one p3

or is it p2

idk

[red zinc]

i love salamander

[vivid vessel]

stars

balls

so mostly p1

p1 good

[cinder relic]

Intermission platform phase is chill Ig

It's just a platform

P3 looks cool

[red zinc]

I hope housing update lets us write on signs to put in the house

[crisp moss]

whats the best WA class pack we like? Zac's group?

Im new

[cinder relic]

Any u like the look of

I'd say mine, because it's mine

[crisp moss]

which one is yours?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i feel like i wont experience that lvl of technical difficulty

i prob need to be in a top 50-100 guild to actually do hard boss fights i think

since they always get nerfed when we reach them

gonna go abit more hardcore in next expac

[crisp moss]

Ah found yours hahah

[digital linden]

was it an outlaw angle or did u go sub

[red zinc]

[strong flicker]

don't understand how to do ~20mil dmg in furst pull

[cinder relic]

Zac is an outlaw specialist tho so he might have some extra bells and whistles

[slate forge]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[crisp moss]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[craggy quiver]

I use guy's pack forever

But I like the minimalist look so

[gaunt phoenix]

i use guypack as a base

[crisp moss]

are all the utilities already included in zac's group?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[crisp moss]

swag

[gaunt phoenix]

err

his unseen blade thing is different

[vivid vessel]

better

[craggy quiver]

I thought we would see some class tuning post about now

[vivid vessel]

not for outlaw anyway

bro solo

beta

in september?

this tier is so over

[craggy quiver]

U never know man

[vivid vessel]

im already in 13.1

[craggy quiver]

I hope

[stuck lance]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[still matrix]

isnt 13.1 gonna be pre-expansion, this patch is supposed to take us to fkin end of feb?

seems kinda long

[buoyant cosmos]

13.1 would be Midnight S2

I think

[gaunt phoenix]

really

[spare dome]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[covert kestrel]

is there a delve loot pool

like link]

[still matrix]

there is

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-smiling-gif-26462584

[still matrix]

i just meant fuu gear sheet lol

[gaunt phoenix]

in top gear

search thing

all the leather is called "treasure-seeker's"

all the jewelery is "void-scarred"

[covert kestrel]

dank

thanks solo

[gaunt phoenix]

and you know the trinkets

[covert kestrel]

you're invited to my wedding

[vivid vessel]

maybe

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

WHO KNOWS

KS REWORK

who is hyped for ks rework 🙋

[strong flicker]

🙋

[vivid vessel]

🏄‍♂️

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm very curious about what is coming

[frank finch]

im hyped for outlaw reowrk

[white marten]

Ross in the RWF confirmed

[vivid vessel]

KS REWORK

LETS GO

[white marten]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif?ex=68ab5df1&is=68aa0c71&hm=13c046c5f032000b3b89c2d98afe312f7d8a415267be2ad26ce02f9a209c838a&

[frank finch]

everyone sign up for beta we need laws in there

[jolly geyser]

inlaws

[white marten]

Outlaw rework?? Where?

[jolly geyser]

its true,Ion whispered zac

[white marten]

O:

[frank finch]

we have been the star mentioned spec in not only interviews but videos

our time is coming

[lime lake]

true

[craggy quiver]

They gonna remove kir

[lime lake]

midnight is outlaws time to shine

or outlaws time to be reworked into something unrecognizable

50/50

[gaunt phoenix]

Unironically

i expect kir to be gone or reworked

[jolly geyser]

kir backed in some shit

baked

[covert kestrel]

ion said "realz was too rude to you zac, so in apology we will let you lead the outlaw dev team for one expac, god speed son"

[craggy quiver]

I don't think it's a fun button lol

[keen belfry]

how do you find this screen?

[jolly geyser]

[vivid vessel]

bro never depletes

[keen belfry]

am i goat?

[vivid vessel]

yo actually

you know

i think

raider io might be able to track keys

that you ff now

in the future i mean

[crisp moss]

so i should never click slice and dice cuz it gets applied on its own?

for all intents and purposes

[vivid vessel]

so this data might finally be usefull

[buoyant cosmos]

you found it?

[vivid vessel]

maybe

[cinder relic]

Correct

[crisp moss]

ty

[craggy barn]

bro

[buoyant cosmos]

Is it wrong to use it between pulls to get ADR off CD?

[craggy barn]

why do i have this ad

[buoyant cosmos]

Happens rarely but it's useful

[craggy barn]

looking at my raider io page

wtf is this

[crisp moss]

I'm having a lot of fun w outlaw but i do feel like im not optimal at alllll

[craggy barn]

zac raider io is fucking biased against us

[keen belfry]

you will never be optimal outlaw logs dont really exist with eprfect game play

[crisp moss]

for sure I can just def be better

Like reading the guides its talking about ADR uptime being 90%...... O.o

im doing something wrong or its just cuz my gear is still like 645

[keen belfry]

dont waste coups or vanishes or combo points

gg

[buoyant cosmos]

A lot of it comes from good pulls too

[crisp moss]

i just started playing again

[stuck lance]

Outlaw is still a high roll spec. Even with optimal play you're at the mercy of luck sometimes. Theres only so much we can manipulate

[glass mortar]

every spec in the game is a high roll spec

[buoyant cosmos]

If you're playing keep it rolling without 19% haste it probably feels much worse than it could be

[keen belfry]

sup delve

[glass mortar]

ur like 5th on the dps variance charts not first

find a better reason

😠

[keen belfry]

skill gap

[crisp moss]

is it still worth playing it or wait til geared?

[buoyant cosmos]

You can make a ton of 675 gear with enchanted weathered ethereal crests

[keen belfry]

ivll doesnt matter for AR uptime cuh

[glass mortar]

you need 19% haste to play it

or at least enough haste to flask to it

its not a try to reach sorta thing

we were wearing 19% haste in s1 to play it so its really just about if u can reach the haste level or not

if u cant then u should play HO

[craggy quiver]

Hope haste tax is gone too in midnight

[buoyant cosmos]

Im just thinking he doesn't have enough haste

[glass mortar]

you only need ~14% to flask it tho

[crisp moss]

I just hit 80 w him, i main hpal so was doing my research etc then gonna do exactly that

[buoyant cosmos]

Get the cudgel from the flame radiance vendor with your weekly token for your OH too

or just get the good one from the weekly bag and post to flex on us

[craggy quiver]

I haven't seen anyone gotten a vet track one yet

[glass mortar]

we've had a couple posts in here

[craggy quiver]

Honestly I hope I never get it fk the swap weapon

[jolly geyser]

got it 1 day,blessing and curse

[quiet root]

i don't have the veteran one and i'm still swapping, worst of both worlds

[jolly geyser]

big mythic weapon in vault on wed,trust

[tender wedge]

🤞

[craggy quiver]

How much overall?

[jolly geyser]

prolly not enough

lol

[craggy quiver]

Lol

[quiet root]

just make 10 rogues and do nightfall every week

gear the one that hits 🙂

[jolly geyser]

think I rather work at mcdicks

[tender wedge]

I would simply rather unequip my offhand and become a RPer

[craggy quiver]

I need to grind for that cursed idol trinket

It's uncapped right?

[tender wedge]

Yeah

[jolly geyser]

im using claw and pacemaker,oh the idol looks good for m+

[tender wedge]

It still sucks to use though.

[craggy quiver]

Yea that's what I'm running too

[tender wedge]

Second longest 1 second of my life

[quiet root]

i have the idol but i don't want to use it, i have sacbrood and claw too

[covert kestrel]

but UNCAPPED

it gives us a sweet taste of what its like to be a favored spec

[quiet root]

midnight will be our expansion guys

just hold on for a little longer

[jolly geyser]

they should make a trinket that does wake of ashes but its only for agi users

[bright crane]

Midnight starts with M. So expect another mage rework

Priorities

[craggy quiver]

Every tier needs a dathea trinket

[grizzled heron]

is WoWAnalyzer decent for outlaw? HO in particular if that changes anything

[uncut sleet]

Do i use [Unyielding Netherprism] on cd oder should i get some stacks first?
I am not sure if it works similar to [Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet] from s2

[craggy barn]

get stacks

on cd is barely anything

bc its 20seconds

[tender wedge]

It’s mostly linear but you’d probably want to use it going into crackshot when you need/want big damage

[uncut sleet]

full stacks or half is fine?

[craggy barn]

i go for 10 going into a big cs window

at minimum

[tender wedge]

Don’t use based on stacks, use based on when you need the damage (as long as you don’t cap)

[craggy barn]

i play it mostly as a 2 minute

so its usually on opener of big packs

or u could just straight up use it just on bosses

kinda can just pick where u want it

[tender wedge]

Feels like a waste to use a big multiplier on tank damage 🥲

[uncut sleet]

i see, then i will play arround a bit and see what feels best for me

[craggy barn]

yea but it at least gives us actual damage for a pure st fight pepw

[tender wedge]

Is it really enough though lol

[craggy barn]

at low keys its fine

[covert kestrel]

Is there any way to keep track if I used a map on a toon this week

[craggy barn]

u have the buff before u finish a delve

unless u mean after that

[vivid vessel]

my antenna

idk any of the names im ngl

@gaunt phoenix

do we use any of these things

i think not

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[random stirrup]

direct nerf to us with mythic antennas fr fr

crazy work

[vivid vessel]

well not really

every class in the game use antenna

better than us

so

[random stirrup]

i meant us players who have it

[gaunt phoenix]

The perfindijmois projector

[random stirrup]

the royalty among us

[lunar thorn]

amogus

[vivid vessel]

wghats that

i cant find it

[unkempt smelt]

What do you think of stone idol @zac

[vivid vessel]

found it

[vivid vessel]

nice ping noob

its a cast time i hate it

cringe trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

its a haste trinket

[vivid vessel]

yeye

i see

it might be good

[gaunt phoenix]

fuu should have adjusted the cloak fiber here

[vivid vessel]

well its 2 k haste

vs 1.7

ok

ye

[buoyant cosmos]

summoning a gang of guys to mess up your enemies is cool too

I wonder if they fly away on dawnbreaker like hunter pets

[craggy quiver]

Maybe that trinket ok now? Lol

I don't get dims trinket, what do they mean by on death? Like your own death or enemy death?

[cinder relic]

What do u think

[unkempt smelt]

OP trinket from VotI was cast time too tho, but I agree it feels so bad as Outlaw..
I picked a myth track stone idol from the vault thinking it would be nice but it doesn't feel good to use as Outlaw sadly

[buoyant cosmos]

Channel vs cast

[unkempt smelt]

Well u can move during stone idol and it still goes off, I'm not familiar with channel vs cast diff cause I never played anything else

[vapid sundial]

@vivid vessel

[buoyant cosmos]

I thought you had to plant for idol, but you did damage the whole time torch was active vs standing and doing nothing for the idol

[unkempt smelt]

So you could send your abilities during torch?

[buoyant cosmos]

Nah but it was doing damage while you were using it

[vapid sundial]

No

[buoyant cosmos]

so it feels better

[unkempt smelt]

Indeed

[split grove]

But this one is not a cast time

[unkempt smelt]

And u gotta be careful using idol cause some buffs could run out

[split grove]

It's just press and big dam

(was not big dam before up now idk)

[vivid vessel]

torch had a banger anim

nothing compare to torch

[tender wedge]

True

[split grove]

This one has banger anim

[buoyant cosmos]

It also made you happy when a team mate planked

that's hard to beat

[vivid vessel]

it has an anim ?

[split grove]

Kyveza Ghosts

[vivid vessel]

havent seen it

[split grove]

Dashing

On your target

[buoyant cosmos]

We're talking about stone idol

[split grove]

I mean the raid one

Perfidious thing

[unkempt smelt]

You're thinking about the S1 trinket

[split grove]

No

[unkempt smelt]

Stone Idol has a shit anim, you just stomp the ground and it shows a misleading hitbox

Impact is way smaller that the actual hitbox and it kinda sucks

[split grove]

I was talking about this one my bad for idol

[cinder relic]

Its insane

Hop on PTR and use it

Its probs the coolest looking on use of all time lol

[strong halo]

bro destro warlock think they arent OP with 40-50m openers

in m+

Kek

[red zinc]

no way destro warlock can do a lot of damage on a big pull with lust

[cinder relic]

Its not fair

[strong halo]

trinket tuning just came out

im guessing ele shammy nerfs next

[sterile venture]

dont know if there are class balance changes at all

[strong halo]

they usually do at least 1-2 tunings RWF is done

[fair oak]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903206159899578370/1223644966811730061/speed.gif

[latent oak]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[sharp wharf]

do you guys still swapping weapon in m+?

[strong halo]

depends on your ilvl of cudgel

[sharp wharf]

678

[strong halo]

have to sim vs offhand

it took a 720 weapon for me to stop switching

cudgel go brrrr

[sharp wharf]

ye idk feels annoying and doesn't look super worth so i was wondering

[strong halo]

i had a 704 offhand and cudgel was like 1% upgrade

my 720 offhand was like 0.2% increase in dps

[sharp wharf]

oh okkay then i guess i'll just sim cuz maybe it's still worth on big pulls only, thank you

[strong halo]

unfortunately if we get 691 cudgel it will 100% be bis =/

i think

[frail veldt]

LOL I finally watched Whispyrs video on the assa bugs. My god what have they done

[thorny reef]

easy grind'

[strong halo]

what a grindrrr

did u do anything special or just dailies every day?

[mighty pivot]

the 3% antenna nerf sounds like a nothingburger tbh

and this is the second time they nerf it by 3% what are they even trying to fine tune so much

[strong halo]

for other classes it was Bis by like 20%

[uncut star]

!ss

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hasty warren]

do we care of antena nerf ?

[torpid fiber]

I know nothing about sin do I have to watch this just to experience bugs

[brittle pelican]

are sims simming the nightfall cudgle all weird? My 678 cudgel is beating out a 710 hero dagger in dungeon slice

is it accounting for all the vanishes now?

[mighty pivot]

how much difference between them?

[strong halo]

yup cudgel is that good. took a myth weapon for me to beat it in d slide

sim the number of targets in pull too

[cinder relic]

less than a 1% nerf

[hasty warren]

so it's still bis or realy strong ?

[timid idol]

so i only stop switching weaps if i get myth weapon?

tldr?

[strong halo]

pretty much was sim says

[timid idol]

ah u wrote that a lil further down

sorry

i only saw that message before i scrolled down

[cinder relic]

Uh idk, depends on how big the other buffs were

Probs still bis lol

[hasty warren]

10% buff on the prism look good

[timid idol]

i have a crafted mainhand rn, if i get a good myth mainhand, do I keep using the 720 crafted sword or can i replace it with any hero dagger offhand

i guess i can sim when the time comes but was curious

are daggers oh that much better than swords

[frank finch]

is ur crafted 720

[strong halo]

not much 0.2%

[timid idol]

ic

[timid idol]

ye its 720

[strong halo]

i crafted main sword and then daggers to be able to play other specs too

[frank finch]

if ur crafted has lens on it going to be better then any of u can gte even mythic

[timid idol]

oh

as in better even as a main hand?

or would i continue to use it in oh

[frank finch]

you continue to use until you can offload lens to ur rings

but ofc sim

[timid idol]

aite tyvm bro

[frank finch]

if u get a 723 mh u use crafted in oh

[timid idol]

ah alright

i dont remember honestly which are the good mainhands that i can get from dungeons

i think its just priory and dawnbreaker weapons that were good

for non daggers i mean

[pearl topaz]

god damn single target just feels like absolute shit

[timid idol]

yea

its really funny doing good consistent dps on packs

[pearl topaz]

these expac changes better fix

[timid idol]

usually top dps in most mob pulls

and then on bosses i plummet

[torpid fiber]

tbf that happened in previous tiers as well it was just a skill issue instead of a spec issue

[bronze wadi]

are we not getting rid of the delve belt?

i simmed the streets belt that dropped at 701 and its like a 4k dps increase at 10 targets but when i checked the leaderboard for outlaw M+ i see them still wearing the delve belt

[covert kestrel]

4k dps

[torpid fiber]

what's the difference in real sims though

10 targets is kinda fake

[next shuttle]

Hello, for trickster is it more important to not cap on vanish charges or to send KS?

[torpid fiber]

Send KS, but we don't overcap on vanish charges if KS is still on cd

[bronze wadi]

if you upgrade the other belt above the 701 max the delve belt has its more stamina no?

[limpid vortex]

Yeah it's what 3000 stamina?

[next shuttle]

How about not overcaping on vanish and using our coup charges?

[limpid vortex]

So 1/500th of a single hit?

[bronze wadi]

and not relying on cantrips for the dps i thought would just be better

and even in the outlaw FAQ it says equal ilvl belt outperform

[next shuttle]

Sometimes I hit 4 charges of unseen blade and am extremely close to two charges of vanish

[torpid fiber]

Idk the deal with coup vs vanish overcap

[torpid fiber]

This is so rare I feel

oh right Unseen Blade the buff not the charge of the proc

Yeah, you'd have to ask solo what the rule is for coup vs vanish overcap

[next shuttle]

I mean, escalating blade

not unseen

[torpid fiber]

I don't remember which is which tbh, I just remember one is in one spot and the other is in the other

[next shuttle]

Escalating is the one where 4 gives you coup

[torpid fiber]

makes sense

Yeah I don't know, that's an ask solo

[rough oriole]

do we send coup in a vanish window if we build up to it naturally? or hold until its over

[buoyant cosmos]

hold

Keep building with SS as well

[harsh mural]

So is outlaw m+ kinda ass rn or what

[craggy quiver]

no

[limpid vortex]

What am I looking for in logs to determine why I'm so bad at outlaw? I don't want to waste someone's time with a log review when the best I can do is low green parse.

[keen belfry]

vod review

[wide coral]

anyone using netherprism?

[silk dirge]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[crisp moss]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[crisp moss]

what's the light blue dagger icon in between KIR and KS in Zac's class pack?

like a dagger thats being swung with a light blue trail

[cinder relic]

Ghostly strike

[sullen wyvern]

guys

[crisp moss]

ooooo

[sullen wyvern]

do we have to use dimmy trinket now?

[crisp moss]

why isnt it the skull icon

is there a way to add SS and Dispatch icons to the pack? or am i just supposed to be big brained and not need to look at those

[torpid fiber]

you could probably add them easily if groups are set up right, but there's no real need to ever look at them unless you use them as a gcd display (which I do lol)

[junior coral]

ok so whats the new cheese? snd while out of combat to get your CR going?

hows it work in this season lol

[late swallow]

[tight kernel]

Yo lfg still dead af

[late swallow]

once you hit 15s/16s as outlaw

feels like your free trial of the game ends

[ocean lodge]

19% haste's the breakpoint ya?

[late swallow]

ye around 19-20% for KiR

sim yourself to be sure

[torpid fiber]

Actually crazy to me to read that liquid straight up only had 1 sub rogue geared and that's why they didn't play 2.

[cinder relic]

I said that all tier

Its very much a double rogue tier

[torpid fiber]

I guess the justification is that it was especially insane on dimensius and they couldn't know it'd line up so well before raid release

[tender wedge]

Did fairly well on nexus king too didn’t it

[cinder relic]

King, forge, dimensius are very much 2x rouge fights

Forge doesn't matter anymore but

Originally it was a very hard fight where 2x rogue would have been optimal

[torpid fiber]

Did well on Nexus King ye

My only guess is that they got baited by sims

[random stirrup]

afaik they dont even have a second rogue player on roster

ive only even seen daizr alt outlaw

[torpid fiber]

that's crazy

no shot there's just not a second player who can play rogue

That seems like a huge problem for rwf guilds when sub has such a uniquely useful damage profile

[cinder relic]

I mean they weren't initially even playing rogue on forge

Rogue was very sleeper OP this tier

I think a lot of guilds were prepared to play 0

[random stirrup]

sub sims so low guy!!!

[torpid fiber]

crazy stuff to me

[cinder relic]

Yeah guy damage amps copium

LOok at heroic week

Sin OP, its a 1:30 spec too

[digital linden]

what was the website to compare when people pop cds?

[strong halo]

Do I still send coup if I have no ub stacks pending?

The second one

[brisk canopy]

Lorrgs.io

[strong halo]

I.e I build up cp for big first coup now I’m second coup with low cp but no builder other then SS. If I have 0 UB stacks pending do I still send?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

SS can proc unseen blade twice at any moment

[karmic pollen]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ocean lodge]

What causes the slight variance?

[gaunt phoenix]

19.05% haste is the exact value where the gcd reduction from AR is capped after alacrity bonus

However around 18-20% haste is close enough with hardly any difference compared to a different stat

[hearty stump]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[hearty stump]

anyone had an issue with elvui not showing supercharged combo points

[elder phoenix]

!bladeflurry

!Bf

Sqmh

I used to have a weakaura that tells me how many targets are around when I have bladeflurry

Idk where it is now 🙁

[hearty stump]

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ this one I think

[elder phoenix]

naw not that one

[hearty stump]

not just a counter?

[elder phoenix]

Well it pops up when theres 2 or more targets are up near you in melee range

[trail ravine]

anyone got an avg dps amount for a 690 outlaw with 4 set in like a +6? Feels like im cheeks right now

[wispy dagger]

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU

[cedar kernel]

@torpid fiber vvevv, will u inter siphonlife in Halls or only the wicked bolt

[wispy dagger]

has a BF module in it

[crisp moss]

whats the bue countdown bar that shows up in Zac's class pack?

not energy or combo

its usually like 5 seconds

[strong halo]

Idk why would you ever add the module

[strong halo]

Prbly subterfuge

[crisp moss]

Ooooo

Ty ty

[wispy dagger]

Well, it does what he's asking, lol.

[torpid fiber]

No clue, ask someone who's played high keys this season (I haven't played many keys at all bc of wrists bc I'm not getting enough sleep)

sorry for not being able to help 🙁

[cedar kernel]

vvevv i thought i saw u on wcl top

but ur one of the best

fr

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid fiber]

No shot, I'm like 500io rn LOL

[cedar kernel]

[torpid fiber]

I just read the guides a bunch and soak info up from ppl here which means I can answer basic questions and be helpful

I'm not actually that good 😅

[stuck mountain]

in m+ is outlaw just trash at boss damage? Because I'm like tank level it feels

[olive bramble]

nah they are fine on bosses

[tender wedge]

Losing to a protwar on ST in keys is a rite of passage imo

String of bad rolls and you’re in the dirt

[olive bramble]

thats why u play kir

[glass mortar]

our dungeon st is the worst its ever been ye

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw ST has always showed flaws in your play more than aoe, but we're also no longer prio kings like we once were so it's double rough

[glass mortar]

its pretty bad vs any spec with real st

shuldnt rlly lose to tanks unless u get fukt by a wipe right before the fight or die during it tho

[tender wedge]

Oh you shouldn’t for sure

[cedar kernel]

weran are u pushing

[tender wedge]

But maybe you needed a few more finishers worth of cdr on KIR to have it back to extend just before boss but the pack died to early

[cedar kernel]

i have a big question there

[glass mortar]

no this season feels awful

1 fth is the worst version of law ive played since the df rework of stuff

and i hate playing specs where it feels like im getting carried on dungeon bosses by real specs