outlaw

[strong halo]

Zac is more often than not too dmg in keys lol

[shy pecan]

How are the rules for KS and Coup with new tier when you have both ready are on 1/2 CP and have no builder besides SS?

Do we send 2x coup into SS -> KS or KS on low CP into double coup?

[cedar kernel]

this season has a lots of mobs keeping u away from instantly doing dmg

[young prism]

I mean rogue is completely a useless class for m+

no benefit to party at all (compared to other classes)

[vivid vessel]

Wtf who is first

[strong halo]

That’s not even true either

[glass grove]

shantiana

[cedar kernel]

wait that sounds

familiar

[glass grove]

[strong halo]

☠️

[vivid vessel]

That's a name I haven't heard in a while ngl

[grave bison]

oh you are right, outlaw is first now, last time I checked he wasnt

[cedar kernel]

yea something like SL

[glass grove]

foreverguy's eternal nemesis

[strong halo]

Zac dooming so hard people here thinking outlaw is doing less dps than tanks

[vivid vessel]

Ye I logged of as sub probably but I'm an outlaw one trick in keys cuh

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw does the same damage or less than s1

Go back to s1

And look how the community perception around outlaw was

Probably was considered one of the worse spec in the game

[strong halo]

People think they need to switch specs to complete 12s 🥴

[vivid vessel]

It takes time for community perception to catch up

Will come

[digital linden]

how much damage do you guys do on a st dummy?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel missed u babe

❤️

[vivid vessel]

Yo ross

[cedar kernel]

i cant tell so much but tbh in flood and halls, those 2 dg is tough, 8 target capped is painfuk

and theres no keys already

[indigo token]

btw

cool tech in halls

for the last pack

with that fuckass healing guy

use wound poison

[slate forge]

*improved wound poison

[lusty epoch]

heh the more I think of it... Blizz likes to put shit-ton of RNG into the spec... then, instead of creating something new or interesting the raid set in general says : reduced RNG of one of your abilities by 50% in your favor... first dice, now coins... What will be next? your offhand has now 15% lesser chance to miss?

[sullen iris]

@vivid vessel bro

should I

drop league and join wow again

tell me nowe

[vivid vessel]

Not if you wanna play outlaw

[tight kernel]

[sullen iris]

are we still not cool

still uncapped

is ks still bugged

[tight kernel]

Capped*

[sullen iris]

thats what I mean sry

[tight kernel]

KS buns*

[strong halo]

I’m ngl ignore the numbers spec feels super fun rn

[vivid vessel]

Nah we are worse

We were good in s2

[strong halo]

I wish ks did real dmg

[lofty sand]

depends, peak?

[sullen iris]

SUB

SUB IS NUMBER ONE

[silk dirge]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[sullen iris]

NAHHH

[vivid vessel]

They ruined the spec with ks rework cause they couldn't be fucked working for more than 5 min

[lofty sand]

ruined is not a good word since its better than the previous one

[tight kernel]

Zac you don’t like it hitting everything but your target???

[lofty sand]

could be better

[sullen iris]

master

[tight kernel]

It’s not better

[lofty sand]

yeah then play wow no reaosn to play in that hell

[tight kernel]

I wasn’t dying to ks

[lofty sand]

real

[tight kernel]

Saying it’s better because we can control movement is a cooked take

[lofty sand]

bro

its better

not good

better

XD

[sullen iris]

what a world

sub best spec

i cant

[viscid perch]

Tbh our tier atm is a joke compared to the previous one in s2

[tight kernel]

Bro giving us a worse version of a bug as 4set is cooked

[sullen iris]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[viscid perch]

I mean we cant sit in 5-6 buffs most of the time and without buffs the class feels sh.t to play

Zero flow

[lofty sand]

yeah, new tier is literally just free 10 sec cdr and flawless form but w/e

while last 1 was perma 6 buffs

[vivid vessel]

The spec was way better on all points in S2 only thing bad was ks so idk

[lofty sand]

but u talked about ks

[vivid vessel]

I talked about the spec

I said the spec got ruined with ks rework

Cause they legit broke trickster and didn't fix it

And ks rework is terrible in itself

[sonic pawn]

RIP last season tier you will be missed

[lofty sand]

also does outlaw niche has to be RNG around rolls? like why cant it just be high APM and consistent dmg. Can we just get the last tier set as a form of talent

[viscid perch]

The joke is even if they fix the dmg problem the spec still feels sheit to play

[lofty sand]

i see, didnt understand what u meant then

[random stirrup]

roll rng changing your priorities a bit is kind of key

[viscid perch]

I mean show me another spec in the game that if you r super unlucky you do tank dmg in a pack

[random stirrup]

its a nice change of pace/lets you have the highs and lows

since you don't have burst cds like other specs to give you those naturally

[viscid perch]

This whole rng rolling is a joke compared to other specs

[lofty sand]

Yeah but lets be honest its not fun to low roll

and its not even chaning ur rotation, just feels worse if ur unlucky

[random stirrup]

broadside does

[lofty sand]

yeah that what imean

its just worse

feel wise

i dont want to siniterstrike into pistolshot

feels ass

last tier if u played good u did the same dmg for the whole dungeon cuz there was less rng

now u can be just unlucky and pray to god

i mean it was always like that, its just felt good last tier

[viscid perch]

I mean ppl still wondering at blizz why the spec is so unpopular, hard to play and not rewarding at all dmg wise atm

Play the spec without weakauras

Like a blue andy

[wintry solar]

The high rolls and low rolls is part of the appeal

[crimson arch]

when do we take wound poison in halls of atunenemt? Only for the miniboss before last boss?

[lofty sand]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

technically the imps on 2nd boss are healed during their stoneform

tho it doesnt really matter

[viscid perch]

Ye get multiple weakauras,track every ability to just get in a key and a 3 button hunter smack you in overall

So appealing

[cedar kernel]

the last 14 prayge

[elder phoenix]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[wintry solar]

You don't have to track everything, the WA thing is blown way out of proportion.

Harder specs doesn't necessarily mean bigger dmg as a reward. The reward is playing the harder spec because you think it's fun.

[mighty pivot]

ultra rare popo W

[valid kindle]

you realize outlaw has decently lower variance than a few other specs, right?

[wintry solar]

The rtb rng isn't even that bad since you only reroll with the Loaded Dice buff on top of Count The Odds

I mean

Really the only rng is ace and opp

[mighty pivot]

outlaw has lower variance only for FB, 1fth trickster still has high variance

[slate forge]

If your comparing single target FB sure but 1 fth m+ build is the highest in game by far lmao

[wintry solar]

1fth only exists by accident

[valid kindle]

above mm dr?

[slate forge]

I saw one chart and now I’m an expert

[old gull]

My favorite thing about it is the damage profile tbh, I like not being spiky and bursty.

[wintry solar]

Well

[inland acorn]

You know would be nice

[wintry solar]

Outlaw CD spec confirmed for midnight

[inland acorn]

If that multi billion dollar company

Could like

Fix this mistake of 1fth existing

[elder phoenix]

CD spec

wtf does that mean

[wintry solar]

You know how every other dps spec has dmg cooldown windows?

[inland acorn]

CD spec = sub

[wintry solar]

It's not liquid though

We can't let corporates pockets get too light

You monster

[inland acorn]

ye i'm sure suits, are scrambling and begging for money for another yacht

probably will need to fire another department

[mighty pivot]

the shareholders are keeping 1fth alive

[inland acorn]

to afford that

[wintry solar]

100% the Rothschilds are paying blizz to keep 1fth alive

Life was better when fth didn't even exist

[valid kindle]

MM, feral and outlaw dungeon builds in order, the order of variance is the same as raid builds, mm most, feral after, outlaw last

[wintry solar]

Js

[valid kindle]

these are just 2 examples

these are dslices of imports I took from logs of banshers, murtaz and zac respectively

[mighty pivot]

are dslices implemented properly for those specs?

[valid kindle]

mm variance is absurd compared to anything else

feral it is, mm I believe so but I'm not 100%

[mighty pivot]

regardless, other specs having higher variance doesn't validate 1fth having high variance

[gaunt phoenix]

"variance" is perhaps by standard deviation / mean as opposed to range

[valid kindle]

fair, where can I check std on the report? forgot

[mighty pivot]

under statistics & data analysis

[valid kindle]

ty ty

[magic shuttle]

Why do you dislike 1 pt fth?

[inland acorn]

because it plays like absolute ass

unless you keep rolling BS

[tight kernel]

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think outlaw's dps variance is the highest in the game, but 1fth can have low lows where you can hardly play the game

kind of a difference between "gameplay" rng and just dps rng with crits and stuff

[slate forge]

The variance is 10% of the time you don’t get to play verse the variance of ooh I got a nice proc I do more dmg cool

[valid kindle]

std shows similar result for these 3 as the range, feral slightly above outlaw, mm a fair bit above either

[magic shuttle]

So 1 pt fth was nice to play with the s2 tier set bonus?

[inland acorn]

you had higher chance for 2 buffs

which meant higher chance for BS

it still was ass to play

[mighty pivot]

higher rtb buff uptime helped 1fth

[inland acorn]

this build is abomination

[valid kindle]

that is a fair point though, most of feral's rng is not very impactful to gameplay, you might be doing fuck all damage but it feels similar to when you are blasting

[inland acorn]

That exists only because of how strong BS is for it

[magic shuttle]

Hmm yeah, I quite enjoyed 1 pt fth in season 2, but you can definitely feel the reduced buff uptime this season

[covert kestrel]

its 10am brother

[tight kernel]

Yea its time to game ?

but still @covert kestrel you act like that's any better during peak hours

[cedar kernel]

i woke at this moment today, in CN server theres even no 14+ keys

[wide flare]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[grim spear]

by w2 of the season, if our damage is only at this level, I do think the spec is doomed ngl

[copper radish]

I’ve seen outlaw and played it at its worst we are actually decent here but I know people don’t want to hear it lmao

[torpid fiber]

We can just find more bugs it'll be fine

[grim spear]

hard capped
weak prio
0 gear scaling

and now shit st

[reef forge]

surely they release a veteran track item that outlaw can abuse

[torpid fiber]

They have you just have to get lucky

[vivid vessel]

we are like s1 or worse

i dont think anyone thought outlaw was decent in s1

[torpid fiber]

I wonder if kazzak neck will be playable this tier

[vivid vessel]

the only diff is that in s1 people didnt play phys comps

so it looked worse

[copper radish]

I played trickster for the entirety of season one too 😂

[grim spear]

It’s really simple: as the spec with the worst gear scaling in the entire game, if we’re only just breaking even this early in the season, once we get 10 more item levels we’ll probably need a 5% aura buff just to catch up.

[fallen knot]

zAC it's important

how do i fight physical pain caused by cringe videos

[wide flare]

what is the CdG rule this season, do we use it on Cd with low CP or build up CP?

[grim spear]

and the main point: our st now is absolutely TERRIBLE

[gaunt phoenix]

you build cps, unless you need to sinister strike, then you rather just send it early

[grim spear]

What does it even mean when a spec with a hard cap of 8 targets also has awful st ?

[torpid fiber]

Stop watching them

[fallen knot]

but they're fascinating

[grim spear]

feels so shit

[torpid fiber]

Get a different vice

[grim spear]

The point is that fb is so insanely bad that they had to nerf trick as well, otherwise no one would play fb.

swaying back and forth, pretending they’re balanced

[honest yarrow]

Was making a 720 ring to get me to 19% haste a good first craft?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya sure

[honest yarrow]

👍🏻

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean maybe your mainhand has priority

[honest yarrow]

I have another one still

That’ll prob be next

[late swallow]

Hope ur having a great one slime

[honest yarrow]

We’re chilling. I’m noticing a big jump in damage actually being able to play KiR

Instead of HO

[late swallow]

Lidl trek absolutely hammering for pedersen rn

[shy pecan]

As we want to send coup on low cp when we otherwise would build with SS, why does this not also apply for inside subterfudge windows?

[keen belfry]

Man idk how to use this mythic vers neck and still reach haste cap

Fuck this haste cap

[shy pecan]

use haste flask

[keen belfry]

Might not be enough

I’m using the vers boe ring

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont coup inside subterfuge cuz you'd rather just bte

so you have to press ss, even if coup is ready, oh well

[keen belfry]

Solo how does couping inside subterfuge relate to my haste cap issue

[inland acorn]

haste tax*

[shy pecan]

he was answering me 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesn't

[late swallow]

Was just about to ask this

[keen belfry]

Maybe solo doesn’t know that it was my turn?

[gaunt phoenix]

you are just skill issued it seems

[inland acorn]

u mean the one from soulbinder ?

[keen belfry]

Yar

[inland acorn]

that's easy

[keen belfry]

I wish it was….

[gaunt phoenix]

the problem is when it involves recrafting

[keen belfry]

And when I have a ring that has 9k vers and that’s it

[gaunt phoenix]

so you may be flip flopping recrafts

[inland acorn]

ring with 9k vers

Where

Can i get one

[gaunt phoenix]

boe

[inland acorn]

brb buying token

[shy pecan]

solo can you also answer me this question I already mentioned but noone gave me an answer for it:

When you are on low cp and you have KS + Coup up. But your next builder would need to be SS, do you send double coup and then KS or send KS on low cp into double coup?

[late swallow]

Tokenmaxxing is based

[inland acorn]

but even with ring i'm still chilling

[late swallow]

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you would rather build to ks despite the ss

[inland acorn]

are u using haste on cloak ?

[late swallow]

@keen belfry ilvl check

[shy pecan]

Ty

[keen belfry]

Not yet but I simmed it

Let me log in

[late swallow]

No rush take your time

[keen belfry]

I’ve been wondering about this exact scenario, and how to avoid it

Idk if possible

I’ve sent a few lower CP ks but idk if it’s any good

[shy pecan]

Not really possible to avoid 100% of the time I think it can always happen that your SS into last BTE procs coup

And if no proc then you sit at 1 cp

[gaunt phoenix]

ss during coup is ultimately not that big of a deal

[agile quiver]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[gaunt phoenix]

especially if you dont have guaranteed ub

[keen belfry]

I guess I was talking about when you know you have free procs of UB as well, but I wonder if the skill gap was not forcing SS during that previous subterfuge window

Does anyone here drink white monster

@late swallow

[late swallow]

Thicc as hell

Excellent work

[keen belfry]

solo i wonder with BOE ring if i eventually craft a crit haste ring

[gaunt phoenix]

you could

[keen belfry]

16k vers or whatever from 2 pieces kinda makes a 3rd vers jewelery not needed

[prime cloud]

big q: is there a way to play around mobs that cant see invis and using vanish as dps cd?

[long barn]

Do these BOE rings come in mythic version?

[gaunt phoenix]

try to vanish bte after the gcd

so opposed to pressing vanish between gcds

where bte wouldnt fire instantly cause you are on gcd

[prime cloud]

but it wont work 100% of the cases, right?

[gaunt phoenix]

it wont

you can also try to vanish during pistol shots

[prime cloud]

well, better than nothing, thanks!

[craggy quiver]

Yea

[stuck magnet]

I just want to make sure I was reading the guide right. When you get Coup you are just sending it right away no matter how many combo points you are at, and same for the second cast you get from the tier set?

[gaunt phoenix]

No you try to build combo points before coups

but if you are going to press sinister strike

then you dont, you just coup

[lucid sandal]

Even on first coup?

[stuck magnet]

But it would be ok to PS/BF?

[gaunt phoenix]

So it is normal to Coup > AR/BF/PS/GS > Coup

but not coup > ss > coup

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[torpid fiber]

It's a weird rule to play around at firsr

[stuck magnet]

Ok so just never SS while Coup is active, but it is ok to do any other CP generator

[torpid fiber]

But once you start tracking coup stacks and Unseen Blade guaranteed procs you'll start preparing for it in advance

[gaunt phoenix]

yes but not a raw pistol shot ofc

you still follow the builder priority

[stuck magnet]

Ok thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

also sometimes

when you really need to vanish

on a pack

i tend to send coup early even if i have pistol shots

otherwise it is that much more time until you can vanish

cuz you have to coup, build, coup, build, vanish..

it's kind of annoying when packs are dying and you'd rather just vanish

idk you get a vibe for it

[frigid pelican]

Man outlaw just feels like it gets more complicated every expansion

[torpid fiber]

Every patch this expac

it was fine last expac trickster is just kinda a lot

[frigid pelican]

It’s like I think I know how to play it and then it changes

[honest yarrow]

What takes prio, coup or KS? Does it depend on if you have tier set?

[gaunt phoenix]

Ks

[lucid sandal]

Ks

[honest yarrow]

KK

[gaunt phoenix]

for cooldown reduction

then ks builds CPs for your coup anyway

sometimes you get KS between coups

kinda funny

[lucid sandal]

Hate abbreviating combo points

Ok what if you coup

Then you have KS but no combo points

Do you KS on low combo points or

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have nothing then you would just coup

maybe if ks is supercharged you can send it

[lucid sandal]

So you coup despite having ks up

[brazen lava]

Just swapped from assa to outlaw, my stats are cooked af. need more verse hahaha

[gaunt phoenix]

you prolly just need new rings

[lucid sandal]

Need 2% more haste

[mighty pivot]

58% mastery

[late swallow]

Gauchmaxxing

[gaunt phoenix]

Unfortunately vers rings dont exist in this game

[honest yarrow]

Could be worse, you could be like me and have swapped over at 4% haste

[weary fog]

Swapping to the haste fiber on the cloak probably gets u there or at least close

[honest yarrow]

Main gauche my number 2 damage source

[lucid sandal]

You ever just

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah haste fiber is 2.7% or smth

[mighty pivot]

there is the ring from gambit

[vivid vessel]

get the boe ring '

[strong flicker]

ring and boots dont exist

[gaunt phoenix]

that is a lot of haste

[vivid vessel]

28

[late swallow]

Ryukage burner account?

[mighty pivot]

ryukage's disciple

[vivid vessel]

ook

price going down

[random stirrup]

the normal vers one was like 250k

nice holdover for the mythic one

[vivid vessel]

wtf is a normal vers one

[gaunt phoenix]

normal ilvl

[vivid vessel]

oh you mean

[random stirrup]

champion track

[vivid vessel]

the normal

ye

the normal one

[mighty pivot]

zac is no champ

[copper radish]

Gotta craft em all

[vivid vessel]

also getting these is basically the same shit so

but i wnat a full vers one

just to flex on people

idk

looks cool af

[mighty pivot]

1 stat ring as if it's vanilla

[late swallow]

Gimme 1 stat rings

[copper radish]

The ONE ring

[random stirrup]

8888

[mighty pivot]

the one ring had all the stats

[late swallow]

And chest pieces with like 6 sockets

[vivid vessel]

[strong flicker]

10к vers ring

[vivid vessel]

never upgrading that one

tf

[lucid sandal]

What are we talking about

Just loot 1h in your vault guys

then craft rings

[rancid silo]

like this?

[honest yarrow]

[rancid silo]

[vivid vessel]

not quite

10k

unlucky

i guess its 10k with a vers enchant

[dim ruin]

noob question, I'm currently trying to learn the spec, have set up lots of weakauras and everything.

Thing is, I feel like I'm always missing one thing. When I try to keep AR uptime high, I'm forgetting to RTB / KiR, or KS, or even just properly doing the procs. Something's always slipping my fingers constantly.

What part should I focus on in the beginning? What's "the most important thing and the rest isn't as important", so to say?

[vivid vessel]

MYTHIC

WTF

[rancid silo]

yessir

[copper radish]

What dev and how much did u pay

[rancid silo]

[torpid fiber]

with mastery that must be like gold cap

[copper radish]

Imagine the AH prices if that ring was BOE

[random stirrup]

too bad they're still bop

[strong flicker]

that prise

[shy pecan]

practice

[vivid vessel]

we are lucky

vers is cheaper

than most

gg guys we win

[dim ruin]

so just target dummy forever?

[gaunt phoenix]

perhaps AR is the most important thing, as without AR you are worse than the tank

though everything about outlaw kinda fits together to keep AR active

i don't think there has been some kind of test to see which mistakes are worse than others

[honest yarrow]

Is dimensius our worst fight this tier? I swear I start the pull tilting each time. Sweet sweet subterfuge slipping out of my fingers immediately

[copper radish]

Wait is that ring really BOE??

[vivid vessel]

hc

[gaunt phoenix]

it is the worst outlaw fight ever made brother

[vivid vessel]

ye

mythic cant trade yet

[honest yarrow]

🙁

[jolly geyser]

the fight is good,but not for law

[honest yarrow]

The fight is fun for sure

[shy pecan]

definitely helps but just playing in general. Getting confident with the spec takes a while. Prolly most important thing is to understand the builder and finisher prio and keep for AR uptime

[honest yarrow]

I enjoy it on my lock

[copper radish]

Wonder if the mythic one will be BOE when turbo drops. AH prices would be wicked lol

[vivid vessel]

its boe when hof is finished iirc

[shy pecan]

you will remember to roll the more you play

[vivid vessel]

or isnt it earlier actually

[dim ruin]

so I should probably focus on AR first and foremost then?

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean 723 ring vs 710 ring is legit like 0.4% dps or something

[dim ruin]

I also feel like even with 19% haste and 2piece set I can't keep it at 100% at all

[vivid vessel]

ok but

[dim ruin]

more like 60% - 70%

[covert kestrel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

Well yeah everything about outlaw kinda fits together to keep AR active

so you can't really "focus on AR" per se

[grim spear]

holy s, chosen one

[gaunt phoenix]

cause it is enabled by having proper rtb rules and builder/finisher priorities each gcd

[shy pecan]

I think understanding different builder and finisher prio

is most important for the base start

[dim ruin]

I mean isn't builder just PS if proc, otherwise SS?

[shy pecan]

and then actually executing it because understanding something in theory and actually doing it are not the same 😄

[vivid vessel]

you come up to a guy and he has a 710 full vers ring ..
vs
you come up to a guy and he has a MASTER VERSER 723 10K VERS RING

[dim ruin]

and finisher KS > BtE > Dispatch? Unless Stealth, where you go BtE spam?

and GS on cd?

[gaunt phoenix]

most optimally no, you PS based on your current combo points and if broadside is active

[torpid fiber]

kinda, also blade flurry in aoe and coup is basically a builder
And there's rules about when to use ps

[dim ruin]

FML brb buying coke

[copper radish]

We min maxing maxis here

[torpid fiber]

I guess for fatebound builders are slightly easier

[shy pecan]

xd

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[shy pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/cocainum-gif-21501772

[copper radish]

Bigger stick

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean you still do not slam pistol shot at 5cp

[torpid fiber]

yeah ofc

[inland acorn]

6k vers boe ring is 1.1 mil

[torpid fiber]

but no coup rule

[inland acorn]

I'm not buying that many tokens

[copper radish]

It’s okay just spend the $100 on wow tokens for it worth it

[torpid fiber]

$60 boe

[dim ruin]

idk I guess I'm gonna build up a tent next to the target dummy

[inland acorn]

Nah, think i'll stick with my crafted vers crit and vers haste from taz

[grim spear]

if we use soulbinder neck and full vers ring and vers flex, do we have enough haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

?

idk

[valid wasp]

if im at 15% haste and pop flask to get to 19% is that ok for KIR? or do we still need to prio unbuffed 19%?

[gaunt phoenix]

that's fine

haste flask is part of the math if you need it

[grim spear]

but you would better not to

[gaunt phoenix]

nah that's no difference

[grim spear]

3star flask and 2star flask thing

you will have to use 3 star flask everywhere

[inland acorn]

there's

200 haste difference

[valid wasp]

getting there with 2 star atm

[inland acorn]

and r3 is like 400g

i think

he'll be fine without 200 haste mate

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean you flask in instances anyway

in overworld who cares

[inland acorn]

he can just upgrade next week anything that has haste

and it will be like having r3 flask

[valid wasp]

ty ty for input

[grim spear]

I used end game gear with a haste flask back in s1

and it bothers me a liitle ngl

[inland acorn]

i'm using haste flask since s1

there's no difference

between slotting that haste in gear and popping vers flask

[next wedge]

guys what is the rule with using 2nd coup?

do we just send on low CP

[inland acorn]

if you can get cps without pressing SS, get it

otherwise send low cp

[torpid fiber]

Same as first coup but presumably don't let it expire

[gaunt phoenix]

somehow this rule is not being communicated well

[inland acorn]

AR/BF with deft/PS opportunity

[grim spear]

maybe it’s OCD.

I know there is no diff

[inland acorn]

it's because we didn't use haste

until tax happened

[grim spear]

yep

[inland acorn]

Because we needed that meaningful change

[grim spear]

just like hr

It’s still hard to believe someone used such a crude way to make us “need” haste

That person must really hate his job.

[hybrid crown]

My stats are so weird rn

I wish they would add a way to compare flasks in sims

[inland acorn]

You can no ?

Sim all consumables

[hybrid crown]

maybe that's a premium thing

[inland acorn]

No

You need to add lines to advanced sim

it's pinned in #tc-research

it's this one #tc-research message

[cinder haven]

yeah, but it would be nice to have it in top gear tbh

when messing around with haste cap etc

[shy pecan]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[brazen lava]

19% haste ish is good enough?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, 19% haste caps out the gcd reduction from adrenaline rush, after the bonus from the alacrity talent

[latent oak]

anyone know how to find the soundkit id for ace proc sound

for this

[brazen lava]

Do we use ambush in our rotation or is it full sinister strike only?

[honest yarrow]

Do we BtE/coup/dispatch to prevent overcapping on CP during a giga KS?

[torpid fiber]

KIR never presses ambush

[torpid fiber]

Dps neutral iirc, there's some feelycraft you can do

[brazen lava]

ty for helping out lads

actually the first community that is helpful lmao hahaha

[keen belfry]

goat spec discord

[copper radish]

Got a champ level soul breaker sigil feels good

[gaunt phoenix]

generally should not cancel ks if it can fill your energy

[torpid fiber]

The trick is that we're all so terminally online that it's boring to make fun of questions

[keen belfry]

solo i was gonna ask about that!

[honest yarrow]

Soul breaker sigil is a big % of my damage in single target atm

[brazen lava]

what rings should we farm for outlaw?

[keen belfry]

do we have an energy check for ks

[gaunt phoenix]

not officially but 1fth doesnt like to cancel in general because of energy

[copper radish]

Soulbreaker sigil can drop on hero track right? Maybe I’ll get a lucky delve

[gaunt phoenix]

With vault or map yeah

[keen belfry]

i have absolutely taken my hand off the keyboard mid ks when im out of energy

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[keen belfry]

good to know 1fth likes doing that

[gaunt phoenix]

i think you "unofficially" cancel ks when you need CTO for KIR, otherwise let it go

[keen belfry]

i feel like im sending so many random ss lately

for both, coups and ctos

[craggy quiver]

You ain't alone

[keen belfry]

if i have 3 good buff and kir is off cd i ignore builder prio sometimes!

[craggy quiver]

More in raid tho

[vivid vessel]

i found it back in the day on the wowhead website but i dont rrememeber how

its not one sound

its 2 sound combined

and on these 2 sounds there is like 4 variations for each

[marble meteor]

for netherprism, i assume I am smashing it on CD?

[latent oak]

so they angle is just download it and use the sharedmedia angle

https://www.wowhead.com/sound=126270/spell-ro-azeritetrait-aceupyoursleeve-proc

i found this

but couldnt make it work

so idk

[willow portal]

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

thats how i did mine

but you could porlly do it with inagme sound honestly

i just never looked into it

i dont remember how i even found the sounds back then

but i did find the exact sounds

but ye

no idea how

[agile quiver]

hate that you can't just paste that into the "Custom APL and SimC Options" to have it persist for every sim (like I've done for wax + whetstone)

has to be pasted at the bottom of simc input from a txt file

and have to use Advanced Sim too

[honest yarrow]

We don’t use KS during subterfuge right

[snow viper]

Hi, have you met Enhancement DRE sims lol

[slate forge]

Talking about specs with high highs but not so much low lows being a god 10% of the time feels a lot better than being useless 10% of the time

[copper radish]

Guys. Maybe outlaw will be S tier at some point during midnight. Maybe…..

[quaint mauve]

does it matter when i send cursed stone

[snow viper]

Look at the chart lol, it's the highest standard deviation next to mm that exists

[runic gulch]

Nah, send it before you go into it and hold off on vanish if KS is coming off of cd in <20s or so, unless ADR is gonna drop

[quaint mauve]

just outve subterfuge right

[slate forge]

That wasn’t my point at all xD

[snow viper]

Enhance without dre procs feels just as bad as outlaw low rolling, maybe even worse.

[frail veldt]

But it's asymmetric

Nah

[honest yarrow]

Low rolling back to back to back legit makes me want to alt f4

[frail veldt]

Pressing SS 8 times with no proc lol

[snow viper]

It's why a chunk of the few still playing it pick a worse simming CD over it

[covert kestrel]

yeah just had two bosses in eco dome where BS didnt want to be rolled and it really made me contemplate life decisions

[frail veldt]

If only we could do that haha

[gaunt phoenix]

it does not surprise me outlaw is not the only spec in the game with a low rolling build, not really a competition

[snow viper]

It's not, valley specs shouldn't exist

[slate forge]

Just so weird to go into a spec channels and argue that your spec is worse what’s the point here to talk about pain points of outlaw and the low lows feel and play terrible idgaf about enhance though it sounds like they should fix that too

[honest yarrow]

Yknow that meme of the gymnast jumping through flaming hoops at the top and on the bottom they just take a small jump or whatever and they’re at the same spot?

That’s me and the BM hunter in my key on big aoe pulls

[gaunt phoenix]

i think i'd like enhance if i didnt fall over when something sneezed at me

[frail veldt]

notice the distinct difference in these shapes

see how far outlaws trails to the left

[gaunt phoenix]

that's elemental

[frail veldt]

oh my b

leme find enh

[quaint mauve]

add a “bro why ru doing no dmg” from ur tank in there too

[gaunt phoenix]

i'd rather not really make this a whole thing im ngl

[fair oak]

as you can see in these shapes the weather will be 400 degrees by 4pm

[tight kernel]

bro

lfg is dead rn

wtf

wake up

[quaint mauve]

it looks uhh normal

[frail veldt]

yeah enhance has a symettric stdev

[quaint mauve]

oh mewo i got my resil 13s finally

[frail veldt]

yooo huge

[quaint mauve]

14s now :(

[frail veldt]

gaming

[digital linden]

guys if gs comes up mid killing spree, when do we send it? after ks reaches 7cp or right before to reach 7cp with gs

[frail veldt]

as fatebound or trickster

oh

yeah I have that question too

[quaint mauve]

man to think i was having 60% adr uptimes not too long ago

[digital linden]

fatebound

[frail veldt]

I send it at 6cp

[slate forge]

Just need two more 14s halls has been harder than expected

[frail veldt]

oh as fatebound

[digital linden]

well it doesnjt matter really

xd

[quaint mauve]

halls is fucked

[frail veldt]

well as fatebound I generally try to vanish->GS

[quaint mauve]

so is ara kara

[frail veldt]

so

[quaint mauve]

but i love halls design

so i can’t hate

[slate forge]

That’s my other one lol

[digital linden]

ye but ur not supposed to hold gs anyways

[gaunt phoenix]

just send it at 7

dont lose CDR on it

[frail veldt]

no but why not send at 6

and stop KS earlier

I think thats what theyre asking

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean you lose a tick of ks

[frail veldt]

yeah thats the point haha

if channeling KS past max cps was value we wouldnt cancel it at all right?

[digital linden]

is that not why we are sending finisher before the entire cast is done?

or is it a time thing

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes but canceling it at 6cp vs canceling it at 7cp is probably the most inconsquential decision you could make

[frail veldt]

fair

[digital linden]

ye im only really asking cuz my ks seems to deal less damage when i compare logs

or like its a smaller percentage of my damage

[frail veldt]

but youre saying as fatebound

as fatebound you want to use GS a little differently

[digital linden]

im aware but u dont wanna hold gs

[gaunt phoenix]

Stop with it

let me explain gs when it's time

[frail veldt]

okay sorry

[stiff glade]

the cook is still cookin

Meal's in the oven

[frail veldt]

but yeah it prob doesnt matter GS at 6 vs 7

[vivid vessel]

Solo witholding information smh my head

[frail veldt]

I do it at 6 cuz it feels nice lol

[digital linden]

tbf logs already have startedusing it

[frail veldt]

I like that its kind of "optional" to channel KS longer

sometimes I do it when I want to reposition in my chair

[gaunt phoenix]

i think if you can let it fill your energy then you dont cancel

[slate forge]

Play classic on my other monitor during supercharged KS

[frail veldt]

yeah thats another big one it is a huge energy recup

[vivid vessel]

Well if you ain't using the latest TC cook before they are even finished cooking why are you even playing outlaw you know

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[stiff glade]

It's the optimal to take a sip of coffee tbh

[copper radish]

It would be cool if we could press finishers while KS was channeling

[digital linden]

thats what im saying

[copper radish]

Or builders too

[vivid vessel]

I intend my plexus prog learning to vanish gs

(prog was 1 pull)

[slate forge]

Make KS like breath

[gaunt phoenix]

and i mean you're right, you try not to hold GS so it doesn't necessarily change your question

[copper radish]

The more finishers u press the longer it channels the more CP generated. Oooooooooooo

[slate forge]

Would play really weird with crackshot double vanish nelf nelfpot never run out

[vivid vessel]

Can't wait for ks rework when it will auto finish at max cp

Gonna be goated

[copper radish]

Imagine running a key where u press KS the first pack and it has a 99% uptime after that

[slate forge]

Big cannon fires from sky when you finish it

Uncapped aoe

[copper radish]

I think my game would crash if I was shooting pistols 360 for an entire key lol

[copper radish]

KS auto sends a crackshot at max would be cool too

[quaint mauve]

aight guys

i have successfully macrod
/abandon to all my globals

[digital linden]

what does that achieve

[quaint mauve]

uhh

kills team moral

i also say “gg boosted tank” if it goes through

[copper radish]

Sounds like some fun keys lol

[quaint mauve]

ima get blacklisted from all content

[copper radish]

I hit /abandon so fast last night when a prot war was healing more than the disc priest….

[sudden fulcrum]

why not just find something better to do if you're just gonna troll keys

[quaint mauve]

i don’t troll

i play to the best of my abilities

with silly
macros

[sudden fulcrum]

doesn't sound like it

[quaint mauve]

i haven’t left or intentionally tried to brick a key this whole season

:p

[merry harness]

Does anyone know if there is a way to make droptimizer sim the free crest upgrade u can get by getting a new piece?

[gaunt phoenix]

Just run professions - epic 704 i guess

[craggy quiver]

@gaunt phoenix are suppose to macro anything with new rules ?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

i have to explain it properly

[craggy quiver]

Should I wait for a pin lol

Lol ok ty

[gaunt phoenix]

it's kind of a thing but also not a thing

it will work when it works, sometimes it wont

[craggy quiver]

Nice

[quaint mauve]

solo

uhh cursed stone idol on cd yes?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya but not in stealth

and maybe hold it for aoe a bit

[quaint mauve]

ok just making sure

[shell fossil]

feels like...being an outlaw enjoyer puts you in the top 30% of the player base

[copper radish]

99% fixed

[quaint mauve]

99.9

[shell fossil]

brother

[copper radish]

99.99

Outlaw >>> rest of wow

[shell fossil]

weird that the only move for outlaw is aura buffs rn if im wording that right

or like making fatebound more good kind of like how bleed versus cleave/hybrid is comp sensitive

[copper radish]

We just need another 13% overall and we will be okay

[frail veldt]

I actually only recently learned what the penalty even was for leaving(someone told me I didnt leave). Honestly it sounds pretty brutal

I had someone leave my key week 1

it was like a +4 and we didnt even wipe

[shy pecan]

is this penatly thing also happening when i start my own key and leave to reduce it by a lvl xd?

[tight egret]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[digital linden]

damn what is the penalty?

[frail veldt]

you have to complete 2 keys apparently

to lose the debuff

[alpine valve]

!pre

[frail veldt]

but to do so you have to go through lfg where everyone can see youre a leaver haha

so it sounds BRUTAL if youre a dps

[copper radish]

In LFG it puts a warning in red “THIS PERSON ABANDONED THEIR LAST KEY” 💀

Saw that when signing up for groups was like yeah not that one 😂

[shell fossil]

aw can't just put sup and hey in the note if i get a power outage or whatever

[frail veldt]

yeah and they have to complete two more keys to remove it

crazy

[copper radish]

You also lose key rating now too right?

[frail veldt]

no way

[shell fossil]

first few leaves should be f-f-free

[copper radish]

I thought they added something like u lose mythic rating for leaving lol

[shell fossil]

if it affects title that'd be lmao

missed a 15 cause the tank dc'd in the last 5 minutes last season

[frail veldt]

that sucks

[shell fossil]

ye

[quaint mauve]

nah i think it’s good

its deserved

[frail veldt]

well the problem is you can still just afk

[quaint mauve]

and im not here to point fingers or anything but ive seen most red names from rag

[frail veldt]

if you want to

[quaint mauve]

just report

it’s easier to get banned for that

no?

[frail veldt]

I mean what if I need to actually get up

my dogs throwing up or something

[quaint mauve]

i did a 19 priory last season while the fire alarm in my room was going off

im my uni dorm

[frail veldt]

I think repeat offenders should definitely be punished

but I think first leave seems a bit over the top

[frail veldt]

urdum lol

[quaint mauve]

i needed that io bro

[frail veldt]

what an awful way to die

[quaint mauve]

it was just an drill too

im pretty sure

[frail veldt]

yeah fair

they usually are

or someone who just burned a quesadilla in the microwave

[gaunt phoenix]

like on purpose or

[quaint mauve]

dying where i belong

in a key

[quaint mauve]

yeah i heard it

told my group bro i think there’s a fire

and still did the key

with my mic muted

[gaunt phoenix]

i meant if the alarm was on purpose like a routine test

[shell fossil]

good call on it being fine

[quaint mauve]

routine

[quaint mauve]

bro we were on like 3 pulls away from last boss

and we didn’t time a key that day

i had to stay

HAD

to

[gaunt phoenix]

have to do keys with cat obscuring the screen sometimes

[quaint mauve]

my semester sucks i won’t be able to play man

[shell fossil]

my power has been out simce the 14th low key limping to 700 rn

ye life needs tree fiddy sometimes feels

[frail veldt]

11 days no power???

[shell fossil]

we got solar so not quite

[frail veldt]

is all your food bad?

[shell fossil]

it's 2025 sheesh

[frail veldt]

oh okay lol

[late swallow]

wollmart is a prodigious canner

he's good

[frail veldt]

so you just lose power at night?

[late swallow]

bro's got jars of pickled tomatoes

[frail veldt]

kind of a wild setup you got there hahaha

[shell fossil]

too much wow would grif the milk and eggs at night nah

battery is massive

[frail veldt]

11 days is still wtf

does everyone in your area have solar?

or are they just fucked if they dont

[shell fossil]

just not wow massive yea it's a once every 5 years occurrence type of thing

[sudden fulcrum]

i wish i had solar because my electricity bill is getting a little bananas

[frail veldt]

oh did you l ike know it was coming?

[quaint mauve]

if i went a whole 11 days without wow

i would be in a ward

[shell fossil]

nah just our case, kinda

[frail veldt]

rofl

[shell fossil]

yeah last time it was a typhoon

[late swallow]

bro lives on kamino

[shell fossil]

full solar is really spensive but we got fridge fans and internet off a battery which is nice :b

[willow portal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vapid sundial]

I use a lot bc I leave my ac perma on

But not 50%

How tf

[sudden fulcrum]

yeah i just leave it at 70 which may be a mistake idk

[willow portal]

what are other great beginner WAs not listed in that command?

[vapid sundial]

Nah no mistake

Spend a little bit to be comfortable

Fuck being warm

[shell fossil]

put reflective foil on the windows

ac max

[vapid sundial]

I need to buy foil

True

Af

[copper radish]

Time to get that Generac whole home generator and hook it up to a 1k gallon propane or natural gas tank 😂

Best purchase for my home ever

[digital linden]

no way people wont think u have a meth lab

[frail veldt]

Some people do like hekili for learning

[shell fossil]

put wow stickers on the outside facing side tf

[copper radish]

U know what hekili is great for? Tracking when your next sinister will proc a Coup. Even before coup is activated hekili will show it on the que after sinister

[vapid sundial]

Not the hekili convo again

Outlaw chat becomes feral

I used hekili to help me learn enhance

Gg

I was p decent at the spec

[frail veldt]

noice

[copper radish]

I might not look at it often but I’ve had hekili since DF season 1 😂

[frail veldt]

the trickster WA does the same

[shell fossil]

also gotta gear up dev evoker so our healer isnt stuck on pres til 11.2.5 or whatever

[final trout]

anyone got a link to that WA for Ara Kara last boss with the circle that tells you when it's safe to grapple out? existed in S1 but can't find now

[shell fossil]

angee but also power is back tomorrow so uh

[vapid sundial]

Surely you can just time it yourself..

It's not that tight.

[frail veldt]

the wa is better

[final trout]

i can, but safer with the aura imo

[frail veldt]

watching an enemy cast bar on their nameplate

while trying to do your rotation

is annoying

[vapid sundial]

Idk I feral lunged out

LMAO

[frail veldt]

the WA is very easy its a big spiral on the center of your screen

[vapid sundial]

Yall are making me want WA banned

On god

[honest yarrow]

Watching lightning bolts go off in floodgate like “look man this is my subterfuge window it’s time for bte spam, and after that I gotta killing spree. I simply don’t have the time”

[quaint mauve]

we have a weak aura for that :p

[copper radish]

What we doing for 12.0 no weak auras

Hekili time 💀

[quaint mauve]

playing ff14

[copper radish]

Beta access signups are out

[still matrix]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[ocean lodge]

What are the odds to roll lucky fatebound coins?

I think this season is my first time trying fatebound lol

[frail veldt]

Lucky comes from 7 coins in a row of the same face

[vivid vessel]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/midnight @gaunt phoenix

opt in noob

[cinder harbor]

So what are the optimal way to use Vanish effectivly? I feel like my BtE usage is so much lower than everyone else and just seems to be bad at it lol

[frail veldt]

I think its more likely you have less vanishes

not that youre necessarily using them wrong

its hard to pin down one big main mistake for outlaw its usually a combination of little things

!commonmistakes

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[gaunt phoenix]

[frail veldt]

but yeah most likely some combination of: builder rules, finisher rules, CD priority(especially if youre trickster), being good on your gcd

[keen belfry]

whyd didnt you @ me

[cinder harbor]

yeah, I feel like after the 10.2 rework something just stopped working for me, I did alright in Aberrus, then my dps just TANKED in Amirdrassil and haven't really played Outlaw since then

[tight kernel]

I heard solo is cooking. Whats on the menu

[frail veldt]

I think amirdrassil was the season we got reworked

[cinder harbor]

Yeah think it's mostly just using my GCDs inefficently

[frail veldt]

so a lot changed

I would take a good read at the commonmistakes thing and just #outlaw-faq in general its very thorough

[gaunt phoenix]

it's in #1065730004920586350

[cinder harbor]

Thanks alot! I'll take a look and work on it :)

[copper radish]

First opt in here so I can wait all season not to get beta

[runic parrot]

if i have 2 piece new tier and 2 piece old tier do i go with trickster or fatebound?

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid fatebound

in keys you should trickster with old 4pc probably

[tight kernel]

Goated

[runic parrot]

so rather stick with old 4piece until i can fully replace to new ?

sadge

cheers

[frail veldt]

enjoy it while it lasts imo haha

old 4 piece was fun

[tight kernel]

So macro ar gs

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah

once it gets merged i will explain it fully

[tight kernel]

Guessing the cancelaura stleath is just for opener tho

[shell fossil]

fatebound tier this season looks stonks

[tight kernel]

Sick, cant wait

[gaunt phoenix]

yes you dont need to cancelaura vanish, it just works

[quaint mauve]

i went to a car wash and they asked for the payment through cash app

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[quaint mauve]

i can’t tell if ima get robbed but my cars getting washed

[gaunt phoenix]

keep us updated

[sudden fulcrum]

Just use evasion if they try to rob you

[quaint mauve]

i’ll lyk on my walk back to my dorm if it happens

[quaint mauve]

BTE

adr

[frail veldt]

wtf lol like they made you download it

[fervent garden]

i ent to the car wash and paid cash. the guy with the squeegee appreciated the green.

[quaint mauve]

nah i already had it

[frail veldt]

lol what was their plan if you hadnt

[quaint mauve]

cash venmo or zelle is what they said

[frail veldt]

ah okay

thats not that weird

their payment system is prob down

or they dont want to pay taxes lol

[shell fossil]

was gonna say airtag the car but you meant something else

[tight kernel]

New vanish rules for fb seem pretty chill

[shell fossil]

using a skimmer at a car wash would be p meta tho

[gaunt phoenix]

ya they are

[keen belfry]

i dont know how to utilize the macro

[frail veldt]

Im surprised how much better fatebound feels this season

[tight kernel]

so pretty much hold vanish for ar + gs but never hold ar + gs for vanish

[frail veldt]

could just be because you arent worrying about lucky coin

[gaunt phoenix]

pretty much

[tight kernel]

with a few other things ye

[vivid vessel]

you are surprised it doesnt feel like shit when your capstone is working ?

[frail veldt]

LOL

I mean

[tight kernel]

dang nice

[frail veldt]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

it is slightly weird to optimize towards invisible damage

[frail veldt]

lil bit

[vivid vessel]

idc its the same as supercharger

i complained about sc being invisible damage aswell tho

but now i guess we are used to it

[frail veldt]

isnt RP invisible damage too then?

[vivid vessel]

wow trend toward that

i guess

[gaunt phoenix]

it's interesting that, even if vanish if 5 seconds away, it doesnt seem worth to hold gs

[vivid vessel]

ye but idk its a proc you react to still

[gaunt phoenix]

i tested that very carefully

[vivid vessel]

its kinad something

[copper radish]

What if supercharger was treated as an ability that did cosmic damage

[frail veldt]

like pressing rtb did damage?

you throw the dice at your enemy

throwing coins, throwing dice, this just soujnds like a fight at a casino

[craggy barn]

rtb should do uncapped aoe damage

bc dice just spawn and land

[shell fossil]

that dungeon soup joke about the stone cold slammer wish comes to mind

idk rogue use to use thrown/ranged as a stat stick invis damage is kind of the same?

[quaint mauve]

car was safe

[shell fossil]

it's just part of what were doing

[craggy barn]

1fth doesnt cancel ks? oh boi

how minor is that

solo

[willow portal]

what rogue spec is probably the easiest for a beginner rogue (raid mostly)

[glass mortar]

sin

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems to depend on energy

[glass mortar]

ohoho

[gaunt phoenix]

sim doesnt care on that granular of a level, but i would let ks fill your energy

[glass mortar]

i have been feelcraft only cancelling my kspree if im energy and cp capped or close to it as 1 fth

[willow portal]

does jumping cancel ks?

[craggy barn]

no

trinkets dont cancel either

at least prism doesnt

[pallid arch]

I dont think hook cancels either right?

[craggy barn]

nope

explicitly movement and defensives dont

[glass mortar]

neither does sprint right

yea its just attacks

and like vanish obv

[craggy barn]

i think crismson vial does?

i dont remember

[glass mortar]

its on the gcd so it probably does

[craggy barn]

whenever i KS i giga do the melee wiggle

and try to isolate targets sometimes

i hate it

[frail veldt]

I try to do drivebys

to get that fazed uptime

NGL