outlaw

[heavy shadow]

are logs not reletive to your spec?

[worldly shale]

yes

if someone is playing

aoe

actually

lemme check

top log

yup

st

[heavy shadow]

Makey sense

[worldly shale]

like on archon it says to go fatebound aoe

but thats just

padding

[heavy shadow]

also since I am just trying for first time now, do you keep on King all time apart from the dragon lust?

[quaint mauve]

if u do prekey right you should be able to get it out quick

and you have momentum always going into next pack

with ub stacks

i never feel like i have to hold vanishes

[willow portal]

How good is that nethergate trinket for big pulls?

[cinder haven]

It’s more for later packs, I feel like i hold a bit too long sometimes if i only vanish after coup

[worldly shale]

my rl was calling out all dps on king after we finished portals, so its probably the same for when dragon drops

no idea tbh

but in dragon lust ye ofc, dragon

[desert tendon]

@lone crow check dms bozo

[normal forge]

are there any weak aura that count the number of RTB buffs we have? that can play a sound when we have 4 or more buffs and KIR out of cd?

[weak grotto]

https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU/147

[young prism]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

does he know what version of the game we r in

LOL

[tough seal]

wa!

[spark patio]

is that a big dps loss when using 2 swords instead of 1sword and a dagger?

[analog mulch]

Nope

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[spark patio]

thanks!

[normal forge]

thats super helpful, thanks!

whoever uses this WA, does u guys make any custom config? Any specifics to change for this current tier and season? https://wago.io/Pd53s_NPU/147

like this part?

[quaint mauve]

i feel like this wa is bad

[weak grotto]

why?

[quaint mauve]

idk just looks weird to me

i like tracking my own buffs with the zac wa

idk :p

[turbid berry]

hey lads, does anyone have a good video guide for outlaw, new to the spec and i like having a video to learn from

[normal forge]

i dont like za wa, is great, but its not for me, i try to keep as much as possible to the default ui

[quaint mauve]

not that i know of, very little guides for ol on youtube

[compact smelt]

if you're new to KiR the WA is fine, it isn't wrong

dont mess with the config though

[quaint mauve]

do u drive a v12

[compact smelt]

no haha

[quaint mauve]

oh :p

[worthy thunder]

Solo, how’s the HO cooking coming along?

[heavy shadow]

anyone any idea what these markers mean on King?

drops p3?

[steep rampart]

Yes

3 also on the other side

[fluid meadow]

pls, what the options to see frontals in eco-dome, that map is disgusting

[agile orchid]

are you able to activate subterfuge with the meld potion?

[true cove]

It should work like meld, meld itself doesn’t grant subterfuge, but if you manage to enter stealth in that time, you can gain it that way.

[covert kestrel]

I mean a small wa tracking the 6 RtB buffs vs a giant addon telling you when to roll is prob more default ui imo

[heavy shadow]

seems my dps is lacking on nexus as outlaw, as was said. Would it be better to just go sub in outlaw gear?

That's what puts me off switching specs, that you need 2 sets of gear with different stats

[true cove]

Just play what you find fun

[covert kestrel]

Sub with outlaw gear is pretty buns due to wanting 0 haste as sub

I just keep vers mast jewelry to make the switch better

[languid coral]

@vivid vessel hello tomelvis when you gonna update your dungeon package weak aura UwU x

[heavy shadow]

I just got replaced as my dps isn't good enough, 10% wipe and i'm only one under 3m

Otherwise I'd happily stay outlaw

[true cove]

3mil is quite low there what's ur ilvl ?

[heavy shadow]

700, I am messing up rotation too with the p3 mechanics

[true cove]

Yea at that point i'd just say it comes down to practice on the boss where you're comfortable enough with the mechanics it dosen't really take away form ur damage

Unless you're already decent at sub think you'd just have the same issues on that spec

[pearl horizon]

hello, guys! which hero talents more usefull now for m+?

couldnt check talants anywhere(

[rigid acorn]

hello fellow outlaws, I played assa for some time and had success (myth raid bosses, 10+ keys), but wanted to try something new, sub wasn't it (didn't feel nice). Outlaw on the other hand, felt good, it looks great and I love the fantasy. However, I'm switching from Assa to Outlaw, meaning I have a lot of Crit/Mastery gear instead of Versa/Haste and I find myself a lot of getting energy starved. Is it because I'm missing haste or is it because I'm doing probably something fundamentaly wrong?

[heavy shadow]

yea I think you're right, and last time I played sub was SL 😛

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[heavy shadow]

read above

probably missing haste

[rigid acorn]

amazing thank you! wasn't aware of the shortcut. It looks like haste issue probably than as comming from assa I have around 8% and playing trickster

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw-faq has builds

[covert kestrel]

Yeah farm up some haste stuff/can use haste flask to bridge the gap when you get a bit closer

[heavy shadow]

There are some good items to focus on with high haste too, like capn hook dragon in gambit

[sullen iris]

brothers

is it worth this season

to make a comeback

[quaint mauve]

bro i like the way u type

ur like so punctual

[delicate saffron]

does the priority of haste come low after we reach the 19-20% threshhold ?

threshold *

[torpid fiber]

yes

[delicate saffron]

i feel like outlaw is capped by the way the stats work for it

cuz even if we dump all on crit we're still not gonna go up that much because of Ruthless Precision existing

or am i wrong

[red zinc]

distinguished individual

[jolly geyser]

at what ilvl is a regular belt better than this delv thing?

[red zinc]

710 or sumn

[jolly geyser]

just asking since the boe belts are pretty cheap

[red zinc]

I think you only replace it once you upgrade heroic / get a mythic one

[jolly geyser]

or craft

[red zinc]

Sure ye

Think the best 3rd craft is off piece though

unless the off piece is one of the lower statted ones idk what outlaw doin

[jolly geyser]

[quaint mauve]

its like

so well written

[rigid acorn]

hahahaha thank you 😄

btw thanks all, just changed the gear even for low Ilvl to vers/haste, and it solved the energy starvation, so it was the haste indeed 😄

[long barn]

Any chance we catch a buff in next tuning?

[jolly geyser]

never know

decent unbuffed ig

[red zinc]

MORE VERS FOR THE VERS GOD

[desert tendon]

not having 50+% vers

loser

[cinder haven]

Vers god looks scary af

[red zinc]

hes versatile he can be cute too

[jolly geyser]

[tropic zephyr]

https://www.twitch.tv/perfectogg/clip/FurryStupidRadishTBTacoLeft-FRX-ooT6R8s_zqcU?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

was that a bug or

what happened here

[vapid blaze]

you get yoinked if you get pulled through the stars or?

[tropic zephyr]

no idea

[delicate saffron]

that would be insane

whats the best to pick so it doesnt ruin my stealth

[jolly geyser]

the clit I mean crit

[hollow dragon]

Sorry where is that?

Oh crit

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-allen-willem-dafoe-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-chad-uv-uk-ondi-gif-16390925646186067564

[indigo token]

i got benched last night

i hate being benched

you just have to wait in vc on call

but hey

i timed a 12 hoa

so that aint bad

[jolly geyser]

use this huhcat instead

[harsh hedge]

Hiya folks, quick question. Given we want to maximise uptime of AR, is it better to cast AR even though you might waste combo points rather than leaving it off cooldown until you have, say 1 or 2 combo points?

[vernal star]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red zinc]

crazy to me that assa is missing a crazy amount of damage from bugs and they're still this strong

[quaint mauve]

if its down press it

if its up and u want cps press it

[willow portal]

looking better now with my uptime

[jovial basalt]

ok so serious question

did a 7 with 2 heroic raiders and me in fucking explorer greens and blues

they finished at 2.4 nd 2mil overall and iwas 1.9 overall

am i a gamer or are they bad?

[maiden quail]

I should be pressing AR when it's off cooldown and I still have duration remaining on my previous AR?

[torpid fiber]

They're bad probably

[quaint mauve]

yes

[maiden quail]

second AR question, how do yall handle uptime during trash in M+? Will you avoid pressing it in order to not waste it before a boss?

Usually I am able to keep >90% uptime but if the tank is flaky and loves running around, among other things, I can find AR burning out on trash

[inland acorn]

Just press it

[quaint mauve]

as long as i have something to hit

[inland acorn]

Stealth after to keep it up

[quaint mauve]

i dont drop ar

[maiden quail]

understood

[inland acorn]

With sprint you're faster than people on the mount so you can be perma in stealth between pulls

Not to mention grapple

[torpid fiber]

You can't afford to not be pressing adr

[maiden quail]

lol I've noticed so I've been trying to keepi t up at all times

will keep speed and stealth in mind

[torpid fiber]

Tricks means you don't have to worry about threat

And yeah, go into stealth between every pack

[maiden quail]

pressing it while it already has duration increasses its duration further? I'm not losing any time?

[sacred rune]

weirdness of the gravity mechanic

[torpid fiber]

you lose time but you lose cdr by not pressing it instantly

The goal is to spend as many combo points as possible during an adr, because that's how you maintain uptime

[sick skiff]

7/8 on heroic. ill take questions (you arent allowed to ask about my hands, i lost them in a terrible gambling incident).

BTW: im terrible 🙁

[maiden quail]

I gotcha

is there a recommended outlaw streamer to watch?

[willow portal]

you are doing an important job

[sick skiff]

whats sad is, all these pulls I didnt die haha

[covert kestrel]

Zac is da goat, awang is the NA goat

[sick skiff]

i think i need to find rogue jesus or something because ill never get invited to a dimensius kill with these logs

[covert kestrel]

Go hit dummies for 5 hours

[obtuse hinge]

Hello guys! i'm a new outlaw lover i wanted to know can i still farm and obtain the basics legion artifact thunder fury? if yes is it easy? ty!

[glass timber]

!log

If there's anyone who'd want to review my logs at any time, i'd be really happy:3

[compact smelt]

they’re private btw

[hardy thicket]

Its still obtainable and fairly easy to get yes. Look up a guide on wowhead and just follow the steps

[glass timber]

bruh... thx xd

[obtuse hinge]

mhh ty but i see i need 2 item dropable and those are 1% drop chance god damn xD

[hardy thicket]

You can just spam normal runs

Solo

[obtuse hinge]

OH

u're smart ass

thx bro

[chrome bone]

hey yall, so is there an easy way to log my fight at a test dummy and make it available to other people to have a look over it?

does details offer something like "share encounter data" or such?

[quaint mauve]

you can clip ur fight

most beneficial

imo

[chrome bone]

and then upload to like a filehoster or sth? thats smart

[granite quarry]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[proven ocean]

zac's private logs leaked??

[desert tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1385782906118602883/augtlaking.gif

[sick skiff]

i assure you I am worse than this zac person

[copper radish]

So what’s a cool apex talent yall thought of. Something that’ll enhance one of our abilities or cooldowns

[vapid blaze]

smokebomb

or feint idk they still have that cooked up

[digital linden]

since outlaw sims really high, if my sim says 4mil on target dummy, how much should i be seeing if i play the rotation as well possible

[gaunt phoenix]

We sim fairly average this tier

It should be possible to be near it

It's an average of like 60,000 pulls tho

Of course 1 pull can be higher or lower

[quaint mauve]

sim without raid buffs

[digital linden]

outlaw variance is also lower this tier right?

[gaunt phoenix]

That's what a dummy sim is doing

[digital linden]

it defaults to no buffs if its dummy

[quaint mauve]

ahhhh

[gaunt phoenix]

Fatebound in raid yes, but in keys meh

Kir 1fth especially does have a wide rng

[covert kestrel]

1fth no bs = cri everytim

[digital linden]

its really weird i feel like im doing somethign wrong this tier but cant put my finger on what, im not even performing that bad just not as good as i did last tier

[frail veldt]

In the pre key why not bf before key is placed so you have bf cd off earlier? Or just doesn't matter?

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[frail veldt]

So it gets affected by cdr from using KS

[gaunt phoenix]

The bf cd doesnt reset

[frail veldt]

I know

[proven ocean]

no

[frail veldt]

So why not use it before the KS pre key

So it has more time to tick down/gets some cdr so it's ready earlier into the first pack

I mean it's probably negligible

[gaunt phoenix]

its prob fine but im not making our prekey thing even longer

[frail veldt]

Haha all g just curious

Wasnt sure if there was a reason I wasn't aware of

[vivid vessel]

holy shmoke !

its real

[vapid blaze]

does boss pull in raid clear supercharger stacks

[vivid vessel]

not exactly

you get down to 2

[vapid blaze]

why does the opener do ghostly->rtb dont u lose a gcd in stealth?
or is it a fatebound thing

[late swallow]

How does sin even pre stack that shit

Do you need to rotate love fools or dummies

[vivid vessel]

adr gives loaded dice

you dont have a choice

if fatebound wasnt bugged tho

and was like the old fb

where adr give your next finisher more coins

instead of whatevre the fuck we have rn

we would adr rtb gs

instead

but adr break stealth now

so

blame devs not playing outlaw

[vapid blaze]

yeah i realized its cause of the stupid fatebound shit

[balmy topaz]

This is so fun bro

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw season

[balmy topaz]

yeye

[vapid blaze]

hows assa after the hotfix last week

[copper radish]

Outlaw every season lol

[vast frost]

10% aoe damage nerf due to hotfix introducing new bug

[quaint mauve]

wait ruby

why r u so good

wtf

[copper radish]

Maybe they will fix this for midnight

[balmy topaz]

At getting declined?

[quaint mauve]

u signing up for the big leagues

im getting declined from 10s

[balmy topaz]

There's literally nothing else I can do

[copper radish]

Time for vaca till midnight 😂

And prayer for good mythic track vaults

[quaint mauve]

can u coach me]

i dont wanna be a tubby loser ol rogue anymore

i wanna be good

[violet ferry]

my mission on my hunter alt: make pets the true raid bosses

[balmy topaz]

Watch Zac vods

They’re goated

[frail veldt]

hey but at least we get to start raid bosses with lucky coin now

[quaint mauve]

that zac guy is alright

could be better

[keen belfry]

outlaw is weird cuz

its not hard to know what to do

its doing it

there aint no hidden tech

[copper radish]

How fast can u press buttons and react is outlaw lol

[mild vigil]

yeah and some pulls you just low roll and get sad

[copper radish]

I wanna cry when I don’t get a KIR on first pulls of keys

[mild vigil]

but man do I love gambling

[digital linden]

is it bad to send ghostly strike mid KS to cancel it faster and reach max cps?

[frail veldt]

thats whats great

I feel like the community is less gate keepy as a result

cuz even if you share what the best thing to do is

its not like someone can immediatley do it

[dawn talon]

dude like arcane

they got secret APLs

every tier they got some shit under wraps and some guy dms it to you and he's like NO LEAKING

like ok man

[frail veldt]

Speaking of weird things to do in the rotation.
Have Coup but at low cps(lets say 3), have one stack of PS.
Do you: Ps->high Cp Coup->low Cp Coup
Or: Low Cp Coup->PS->High CP Coup

cuz our second coup hits harder right

[vivid vessel]

ps second unless i can adr or bf for the second with the cdr gained

[dawn talon]

i do low cp unless bf/adr will be up for the 2nd one

ye

[frail veldt]

yeah thats what I figured

never BF in ST for sake of coup right?

I havent been but wasnt sure if it was at all worth

[late swallow]

ruby is like top 5 outlaws in the world bro

[quaint mauve]

deadass?

[late swallow]

according to my calculations

i crunched the numbers

[quaint mauve]

@balmy topaz yo im sorry i doubted you

[late swallow]

i took a look at the data

[quaint mauve]

wth

[late swallow]

i called my indian guy to verify

[quaint mauve]

i thought we were like equals

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint mauve]

but i guess im a chud and ur a chad

[late swallow]

nah bro ruby is much better than you man

[quaint mauve]

yo jeremy

[frail veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-we-are-not-the-same-im-not-like-you-im-different-lucifer-morningstar-gif-16846506

[quaint mauve]

watch ur mouth

[late swallow]

google the name bro

[quaint mauve]

ok maybe im like equal level with mewo

ask around abt me

ur a burger

[frail veldt]

psh

you wish

[late swallow]

i'll make a couple calls

it's like uhhhhh

zac, ross, casual, ruby, max, and vurai

[quaint mauve]

yeah u cant be THAT good

[late swallow]

they're kinda the modern day goats rn

[copper radish]

Lok…?

[late swallow]

yeah lok is goated too

[red zinc]

unc didnt see me beat zeross that one time

[quaint mauve]

lovechant-a52 is next

[copper radish]

The OG goat

[keen belfry]

naw theres abunch of thought still

[frail veldt]

I feel like this is missing a lot of outlaws

[quaint mauve]

awang not on list

but its understandable

[copper radish]

Yeah how fast can u think gg

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry lwk a snake

[frail veldt]

and Ostavarana whatever

[late swallow]

yeah it is, I'm trying to narrow it down to like 5-10 consistently high performers across raid + keys

does ots even do keys?

i know ots is cracked in raid

[quaint mauve]

never forget guys

[latent belfry]

random question but have you tried the HO build for m+ at all this season? or r you jus sticking with the kir since its the best rightnow

[quaint mauve]

awang will switch up on his day ones

[desert tendon]

Mewo

Zac is learning assa. Time to Block him for bettayal

[frail veldt]

WOW

[quaint mauve]

its doomed

[frail veldt]

it cant be true

[quaint mauve]

bro

[late swallow]

[frail veldt]

Sub I will tolerate

[copper radish]

I didn’t know outlaw knew how to play sin

[frail veldt]

ASSA!?!?

[late swallow]

mods staple this guy's foreskin shut

[quaint mauve]

maybe im rerolling sub guys

[desert tendon]

He s spending all Day in assa channel

[vivid vessel]

bro

[desert tendon]

He wanna be a 1% vers andy

[frail veldt]

ngl pretty cringe

[vivid vessel]

im not

[frail veldt]

zac

dont

[quaint mauve]

TRUE

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

its too late

were done

[vivid vessel]

i played assa on loomitar

and thats it

i wont play assa again

all tier

[copper radish]

Outlaw >>

[vivid vessel]

lol

[desert tendon]

Already too much

[frail veldt]

"baby it was just one time!"

[quaint mauve]

save it for the judge dude

[frail veldt]

YEAH YEAH

heard it before

[desert tendon]

You betrayal

[vivid vessel]

[quaint mauve]

its crazy to think

i used to look up to him

[keen belfry]

can you guys believe he excluded me? chat? ban him

[copper radish]

Bro played sin with outlaw stats and said nah im good

[desert tendon]

Au revoir zac

[late swallow]

you like barely raid bro

[desert tendon]

That was a pleasurz to know u

[keen belfry]

2 days a week cuh nbd

[desert tendon]

Enjoy your cat spam in assa channel

[vivid vessel]

nbd cuh

[late swallow]

one day a week but it's a 15 hour raid

[dawn talon]

playing assa on a boss that's already boring

legit sounds like a sleep aid

LMFAO

[keen belfry]

nbd cuh cuh

[vivid vessel]

i swear somnius and awang are like

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel have u done sub keys

[vivid vessel]

each interaction betweem them

is goated

[desert tendon]

Cuh nbd

[vivid vessel]

cant go wrong

[late swallow]

i think awang and I would be homies irl ngl

[quaint mauve]

somnius more sucknius

heh

[late swallow]

i'd read out loud to him while he suns himself on our picnic blanket

real homie shit

[keen belfry]

mhmmm

[quaint mauve]

i already give awang belly rubs

ur not splitting us apart

[red zinc]

Somnius and awang isekai’d to gary, indiana would be a crazy movie

[late swallow]

Freddie gibbs narrating?

[keen belfry]

check check

[tropic zephyr]

that sucks, it was their 0.6 pull i think

might have not mattered that much tho

[balmy topaz]

Only KIR

[sacred rune]

they killed it

all 3 have the boss down now

they all played well

[tropic zephyr]

for sure, best race i've ever watched

[heavy shadow]

What are the best brann curios to use?

[glass mortar]

im using haterang and the 12% damage amp/dr on death one

(dont die)

the hat is consistently like 30% of branns dps so i figure its ok and the other ones seem kinda mid

[gaunt phoenix]

for kyveza that one that heals based on damage taken every 5s or whatever seems good

[glass mortar]

yea the 12% damage amp one is a bit annoying on kyveza cause if u wipe u need to reset the instance to get back to full stacks

[digital linden]

do we hold vanish for killing spree on fatebound?

[gaunt phoenix]

nah

[frail veldt]

oh thats good to know

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesnt seem to matter

[frail veldt]

yeah I guess if you dont anticipate losing the vanish conditions by the time youre done KS then you could KS

but if you have low RP buff time left

maybe dont KS

also the GS thing I feel like matters a lot too

[gaunt phoenix]

gs thing is soon... it's been annoying

[frail veldt]

yeah I can imagine

[digital linden]

well we dont play around rp anymore right?

[frail veldt]

its weird cuz it plays super well

at least it feels like

[frail veldt]

I'd wait until solo is done with the cook so you get the most succinct info

I am only feelscrafting it rn

[gaunt phoenix]

currently you try to vanish with rp but it seems there is a small gain to trying to vanish into gs for 3 of both coins, and sometimes vanish into AR GS for 6 of both coins

[frail veldt]

I havent tried getting that second one down yet

feels like a lot to brain

the GS one feels super fluid tbh

it lines up almost perfectly most of the time

[keen belfry]

hoes get fucked and sent home early just like the clippers

its a lyric guys

[frail veldt]

p much hold vanish a little for GS(if its soon ish) but rarely hold GS for vanish

[digital linden]

if we look at a sims buff uptime for a 10 minute sim should it be somewhat the same for us?

[frail veldt]

in terms of adr? yeah

[digital linden]

what about rtb buffs

[frail veldt]

in a good ST fight you should be able to get pretty close to your sim

yeah on fights like fractilus and loom

you can get very very close to your sim

or beat it with good rng

[gaunt phoenix]

the rtb should be similar

[frail veldt]

Solo what exactly is the "rtb" buff

[digital linden]

so then is this weird or bad rng or what?

one of these is details the other is sim

[frail veldt]

well the sim uptime is an average across many iterations

so thats why theyre all even

[digital linden]

right thats what i was asking

[frail veldt]

yes yours is a single instance so you arent going to have even uptime

[digital linden]

what?

[frail veldt]

the sims uptime is an averaging across many simulations of a fight

your uptime is a single fight

[teal wing]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

ur not going to have 76% of every buff in 1 pull, it's going to a split of like some 80s some 70s etc

[digital linden]

haha i read that wrong i read that as "you arent going to even have uptime"

[frail veldt]

oh lol my b

[gaunt phoenix]

your total average is 71.5% which is maybe rng or maybe some misplay

[frail veldt]

quikmafs

[digital linden]

what could be contributing to a lower average?

besides rng if it were to be misplay

[frail veldt]

Also howd you get all your rtb buffs to cluster like that in details for the screenshot hahaha

[digital linden]

dunno honestly it just did that by itself xd

[frail veldt]

LOL

mine are all spread out

[gaunt phoenix]

basically everything about outlaw contributes to cooldown reduction on KIR, how many cto procs you get on average

[digital linden]

that was pure coincedence as well since theyre organised by uptime

spell check

[frail veldt]

Solo is the "roll the bones" buff uptime the presence of any 1 buff?

oh wait no that makes no sense cuz that would be 100%

[gaunt phoenix]

its the container buff but it doesnt log correctly

[frail veldt]

ah kk

so its just meaningless

[digital linden]

so what more finishers=higher uptime on the rtb buffs

[frail veldt]

efficient CP generation/usage is the name of the game

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean every cooldown rule, every global, every builder priority decision

that's outlaw

[blazing pulsar]

am I reading the FAQ correct that we just send Coup at whatever CP we have, if the only way to build more is via SS?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

because SS can proc unseen blade twice at any moment

[blazing pulsar]

I been doing it wrong then -.-

[gaunt phoenix]

you'd rather not waste them

[keen belfry]

hey solo does the tier buff first or 2nd coup

[gaunt phoenix]

2nd

[keen belfry]

i know when it came out it said first but buffed 2nd

ok

ty

[rapid ore]

is grappling hook bugged on last boss arakara or why does it throw me up and right back into the void shit

[gaunt phoenix]

wrong timing i think

[late swallow]

Which wow class is benefiting most from sharingan

[rapid ore]

last week it worked fine at like less then 1 sec cast

[blazing pulsar]

maybe your ping was bad?

[rapid ore]

ping was fine i guess

[glass mortar]

its under 0.5s on the cast

when u need to grapple iirc

she does a super suk right at the 0.5s cast that will override leaps n shit

[rapid ore]

good to know ty

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel might have the exact timing or a wa for it as well

[frail veldt]

Yeah its a nice wa

[rapid ore]

https://wago.io/9zt9cPjIY

this one?

[frail veldt]

probably

[quaint wharf]

AraAra lmao

[ocean lodge]

So, my rogue's been sitting out since s1, so I don't have any undermine gear or current tier yet.

How bad is not having the set in m+ assuming I sort all the other gear stuff out?

[frail veldt]

not bad

oh not having ANY set?

thats pretty bad

[glass mortar]

sets r like 18% or something they r pretty huge

[frail veldt]

I dont know the exact number but prob at least 10-15%

[glass mortar]

u can hardgrind out a herioc 2set pretty fast tho

or well

if u have friends its fast

[frail veldt]

lol

[gaunt phoenix]

[ocean lodge]

Well the set I did have was mythic nerubar, which I doubt scales out well :p

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[ocean lodge]

yeah but I like to save my charges until I can confirm 4set

So hopefully get in a raid later once we gear it up.

[frail veldt]

yeah id prob just make sure you do all of lfr/normal etc

might be hard to pug into heroic if youre that low ilvl

also delve vault has a chance for tier

so you can do that too

[proper veldt]

ok outlaw in raid is so clapped holy

do 0 damage fr

[frail veldt]

damn really?

on which fights?

[proper veldt]

everything cuh

everything but cleave

[keen belfry]

focus up cuh

[proper veldt]

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proper veldt]

its so big time joever this tier tbh

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

oh

well last two bosses yeah

[proper veldt]

pure st boss firstboss too cuh

[vivid vessel]

100% uptime st

[proper veldt]

its so bad

this is like

so bad

[frail veldt]

I guess my pugs just suck ass

lol

[proper veldt]

we dont have cds, we dont have utility in raid

AND we do no damage

xd

[vivid vessel]

and this is what people are doing on soulbinder nazindrui

[vivid vessel]

boss damage

[frail veldt]

we can pad though lol

[vivid vessel]

[frail veldt]

yeah boss damage is pretty pathetic LOL

[vivid vessel]

ye look at the boss damage

[proper veldt]

and ret gets buffed 💔

cba

[fathom bramble]

probably our worst tier since some of the legion tiers

[vivid vessel]

who knwe

(me)

[fathom bramble]

for like somewhat serious prog the last 2 are also going to take many more pulls than everything else combined

[frail veldt]

arent you glad they nerfed BF zac

[fathom bramble]

so if you weight the bosses by some subjective importance value then it looks truely terrible

[frail veldt]

wouldnt want outlaw being too good on the early bosses

[random stirrup]

loktark do you ever swap to one of the dagger specs or are you a pure pure outlaw one trick

i know you're one of the more dedicated ones

[regal saffron]

And you traded this for weaker bf??

[fathom bramble]

I played sub in Sanctum, and on tindral

[vivid vessel]

[fathom bramble]

I might play sub on dim

it really looks like I should

[vivid vessel]

i mena

[proper veldt]

tbh tho with our variance we should be topping charts on 100 percentile tbh

it means even with top rng

[vivid vessel]

outlaw on dimensious ?

[proper veldt]

we bottom of dps list

xd

[vivid vessel]

there is legit

no way

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

to justify that shit

nexus king whatever

can make it work

dimensisus tho idk

[fathom bramble]

I was looking at my gear options last night for dim and planning it out

[vivid vessel]

worse outlaw fight in ages

[fathom bramble]

realistically I go sub unless blizzard changes something with outlaw or dim idk

[vivid vessel]

would need a full rework

of both the spec and the fight

[random stirrup]

they will surely fix the subterfuge thing on pull

[vivid vessel]

hats the least of our worries

[proper veldt]

but its not even terrible bosses for outlaw or anything we literally undertuned rn

pure st we do shit damage still

[fathom bramble]

I think you could get away with trickster outlaw on dim if they buffed it a ton

[random stirrup]

ya but the most "fixable"

[frail veldt]

last boss is pretty bad for us

[fathom bramble]

but I know those buffs will never come

[frail veldt]

even if we were tuned well

[proper veldt]

yeah I mean it is

[vivid vessel]

well there is damage amps on every boss

so

[proper veldt]

but we also undertuned I mean

[vivid vessel]

yes

well

I complained about it all of ptr and people just told me outlaw was op so

[fathom bramble]

waiting for the mythical fightstyle that favors flat damage as much as these last 2 favor burst

[vivid vessel]

who am I tho

i dont know anything '

[light kernel]

what belt enchant do u play guys in keys

bonus stat i mean

[vivid vessel]

crit

[fathom bramble]

knockback

the real belt enchant

[craggy quiver]

Dim is making me hate otl so much

I haven't felt this way since before otl reworking during sark prog lol

That shit was bad

[fathom bramble]

it hits us in all 3 of the ways that outlaw is bad now

on top of us just being tuned low

Downtime, Burst, Prio add burst/cleave

[craggy quiver]

Ya dunno this tier feels weird man low is low

And the high rolls doesn't even feel really high

[fathom bramble]

the mechanical issues for us on dim make so much more of a difference than our low tuning though

[latent belfry]

remember when we had 3yds of extra range.... it helped so much with downtime

[glass mortar]

oh i missed the law log review

did any of u guys look at boss damage

xd

its very funny

[craggy quiver]

It's bad

Maybe won't get buffs this week but as soon as more people get into the deeper bosses

We looking grim

[fathom bramble]

if no one kills dim/sal on outlaw then we will continue to look somewhat fine on the mythic stack

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i will kill it

on reclear

the first reclear im outlaw i think

[fathom bramble]

yeah same

[vivid vessel]

unless its litteraly impossible

[fathom bramble]

I mean between the raid buff and potential nerfs it'll be possible

but you might be functionally a 19.5 man raid

[vivid vessel]

but thats kinda the deal i have with my guild

i just play wahtever in prog

and they let me outlaw reclears

[fathom bramble]

I'm not sure anyone that has been around for a while is even remotely expecting me to swap on dim

but it's far more doomed than I think they realize

[craggy quiver]

Yea dunno I feel outlaw can somewhat do dmg on any boss even tindral was not the worst

[unique fulcrum]

maybe we should shutdown the discord until riot buffs outlaw

[craggy quiver]

But man dim is a different beast

[worldly shale]

Tindral was the worst.

[fathom bramble]

I think Tindral was worse than dim will be

[worldly shale]

This

Riot buff

[craggy quiver]

You think?

I'm thinking dim is gonna be real bad lol

[fathom bramble]

tindral had more downtime overall if you had to do feathers like all melee did on prog

and the burst was arguably more important

since you had to break the shield or die

now outlaw was actually tuned somewhat highly in that tier though so we had a better shot at performing

tuned high enough that you could compete with the best rogue spec on ST fights at the time

at least

I guess you also have to burst prio the add or die too

idk

[vivid vessel]

idk

i think dim might be worse

cause the plateforms are giga dps check

and you will do ntohing

especially since we have to play fb

i mean i guess its more of a tuning issue

[craggy quiver]

Probably just the mix of this tier outlaw sorta feels shit

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[jovial basalt]

when do i replace the belt?

as soon as i can craft the 720?

[gaunt phoenix]

belts of similar ilvl should be similar/better

i replaced with hero track boe

[keen belfry]

solo is there any playing around keeping 2 good buffs

i kinda vibes it

[gaunt phoenix]

not officially, but i think you can if KIR is ready/nearly ready

if you have like BS RP and are about to kir

[jovial basalt]

what secondarieso n the boe belt? o.o

[gaunt phoenix]

they are random

can buy crit vers or haste vers

[jovial basalt]

i see crit heavy verse but not haste they're only 50k on my realm so fuck it

[gaunt phoenix]

was like 70k

yeah

[cinder haven]

Pref high vers roll

[icy hare]

Buy double Vers

[cinder haven]

In the long run

[jovial basalt]

i got crit high verse

25% verse now gaming

[gaunt phoenix]

[jovial basalt]

time to DE the thunder belt

[gaunt phoenix]

some intern worked hard on that

[jovial basalt]

anything that makes me do delves deserve death

[gaunt phoenix]

[craggy quiver]

Can't even destroy the belt

Will sit in bank forever

[jovial basalt]

I should buy the oE chest too...

and Teir it

next week if i don tget teir

I have another spark to use too ....

[still matrix]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[still matrix]

is this gear sheet anywhere else btw like on a full sheet or icyveins?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[oblique trench]

!opener

[willow portal]

this is worrying

[oblique trench]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[ocean lodge]

for the reroll weakaura, how do I disable the airhorn for rerolling?

I can't find the source

[oblique trench]

Custom Options

There is audio

[willow portal]

there is a reroll wa?

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix @vivid vessel

The warpclaw trinket doesn't work in raid:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3mf6kLc8ACDhqzbd?fight=2&playermetric=bossdps&type=damage-done&source=16

just doesn't proc

i dunno if its been broken for a while

[vivid vessel]

interesting

[red zinc]

this patch might be more bugged than usual

[willow portal]

did dam for me tho

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pTW4GF6MJca1zgjD?fight=last&type=damage-done

[daring oxide]

well i dunno why its not proccing at all for me

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not always broken it seems

[daring oxide]

i dunno how to fix

ive tried reequipping

[willow portal]

[daring oxide]

but it breaks when im in fatebound

it works fine as trickster

[willow portal]

try swapping slot or different trinket for a sec

[daring oxide]

i played fatebound on 1st boss and soulbinder

[willow portal]

i was fatebound too

[daring oxide]

i have

i wouldn't come here otherwise

[ocean lodge]

Found it, thanks. I can't see a way to mute ONLY rerolls though.

[daring oxide]

once exhausted all options

[willow portal]

cant know that

[ocean lodge]

The airhorn pisses me off lol

[willow portal]

many people ask first and thing later

[oblique trench]

there is a sound "none"

[willow portal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[willow portal]

which one is the reroll wa?

[pastel cedar]

is it hard to dual spec with stat priorities being different between specs?

[vivid vessel]

not at all

[willow portal]

most stats are rings and neck anyway

[vivid vessel]

the only hard thing is weapons

the rest doesnt matter wiht m+ gear early on

[lofty sand]

if u play enough its not hard

[vivid vessel]

all my specs are equally optimised

[willow portal]

farming halls for gloves has been going good

[lofty sand]

holy

same

still 0

[willow portal]

2 guild mates joined to help today, both couldnt trade and got gloves on their first run with me

i am curseed

[lofty sand]

yeah same but it didnt even drop for guildies

so

sadge

[daring oxide]

relogging fixed the trinket

fyi

if anyone has the same issue in the future

[red zinc]

Did you get stone idol at least

[gaunt phoenix]

i aint seen those gloves yet

[copper radish]

Can’t wait for an entire new xpack of more delves

[red zinc]

i got em

[gaunt phoenix]

fuck you !

[red zinc]

catalyzed them right after

good assa stats

[stiff glade]

I got those gloves first try, didn't even know about them, just got them and "hey, those look good"

[willow portal]

i got everything else i think

[mighty pivot]

I got mine on my 24th HoA run they do drop but so rarely can people trade so early in the season

[willow portal]

i gave away the neck a few times

and have everything else in my bags atleast once

[willow portal]

surely i drop mine soon now

i even got a myth belt from first boss to finish runed crests this week

if i got those damn gloves

[cinder relic]

whats worrying

[willow portal]

there is so few outlaws

i am bad and still top 100

:)

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is almost always the least played rogue spec

and most ppl aren't even public logging still

at least on the later bosses

[willow portal]

i just hope my parses improve with more practise

as those current numbers arent enough for me, maybe i just have to try sin or sub instead

[tight kernel]

@vivid vessel

whats hoa route

[vivid vessel]

we are working on it

this is our route for now

[tight kernel]

yeah okay

left stairs kinda cursed with anklebiters

[keen belfry]

i see kev in lfg rn

[tight kernel]

[stiff vector]

[tight kernel]

yo pull 2

that shit was wild

[vivid vessel]

we dont kick hundmasters on shards pulls also

[red zinc]

whats soothing it

or is tank just invincible

[twilit hollow]

Weird question, should you cast ambush or sinister strike when using fatebound KTR during subterfuge?

[gaunt phoenix]

ss

[twilit hollow]

...

thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

or pistol shots if you meet the condition

[tight kernel]

monksea just lives enrages? We just did shard pull and felt so hard

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[vivid vessel]

its easier if you kick every botl

which is possible when you odnt kick hundmaster

[tight kernel]

this overlap just slammed us

prob skill diff

[shy sandal]

is it still worth to swap weapons for aoe/st with cudgel(678) my other OH is 710

[tight kernel]

okay that would make it easier

I got a bad overlap with bolt + aoe and almost 1 tapped

[vivid vessel]

waht overlap

ye

we kick all the bolts

we have tank - war - feral on one, shaman - me + kidney on the other bolter

the other casters you aoe cc

since its channels

[tight kernel]

Alright will try that next go

[midnight granite]

What overlap

[willow portal]

feral and outlaw ? big

[tight kernel]

Aoe + bolt during shard pull

[normal forge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[tight kernel]

If you’re kicking housemaster then you’re dry for 1 bolt

So will try Zac’s no kick idea

[vivid vessel]

ye thats why we dont kick it

but our monk is brew

[willow portal]

no sooth also?

[vivid vessel]

he said the dogs do nothing to him

no soothe

[tight kernel]

U pugging up or group?

[keen belfry]

ive pugged so far

but i know most lfg ppl now so its like, fake pugging

[tight kernel]

I need that. Current group schedule just not working so I’m back to lfg life

[keen belfry]

yeah u kinda just gotta find ppl

[tight kernel]

Only can key with them like once a week it’s cooked

[keen belfry]

not many good brewmasters around these parts of town

[tight kernel]

Yeah just hard to trust pugs

Affinity is goated

Just unlucky schedule

[unreal drum]

any tips for the dimensius opener that protal crack is awful

[keen belfry]

i play with economics and that guy is never on his brew

[lilac rose]

hello guys i really enjoy outlaw but is there a reason to realistically play it over the other 2 specs rn?

[keen belfry]

u just get cucked

[glass mortar]

that u really enjoy it

[tight kernel]

There’s a phys comp community that I need to find an inv to

[keen belfry]

there are some bad players in there cuh

i can inv u

[tight kernel]

Not at pc but ye if u can idk

Bout to make a list of trustworthy monk

[keen belfry]

affinity, economics, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[tight kernel]

Also fury kinda buns ngl I rather have arms

[tight kernel]

Yeah list ends there tbh

[keen belfry]

i have a friend gwoz whos gonna play it this tier need to see

biggie might be OK brew havent palyed with his brew yet

[tight kernel]

Affinity looking for a rogue 👀 go take my spot

[keen belfry]

i dont chase kev i attract

[tight kernel]

Oh my bad didn’t know your game like that

[keen belfry]

slay

on god

[vivid vessel]

all of NA lfg (2 players) in outlaw chat rn

[tight kernel]

Real

[keen belfry]

kills zac

[midnight granite]

I'll be there soon dw

[keen belfry]

you better be

[unreal drum]

yup 🙁

[tight kernel]

Where Nessa at? She keying with squish no?

[keen belfry]

but ive kinda accepted i will just not have monk buff mostly

yeah shes running with them

we did a 16 hoa double outlaw

double outlaw surv hunter

with like 5 deaths

so we hit timer

[tight kernel]

Surv double outlaw. Prio dmg sounds cooked

Was everything just living

[vivid vessel]

outlaw doing as much damage as surv

btw

[tight kernel]

I tuned in late for last boss but already was ded

[keen belfry]

yeah shards rank 1'd dmg to us

[honest cape]

[keen belfry]

oh shit the other na outlaw

eduide

[copper radish]

Just go fatebound AOE then u got some more prio damage lol

[keen belfry]

no one tell him

[copper radish]

You can pretend like it’s super Op when u do more than the next guy

[honest cape]

I don't play outlaw anymore

[keen belfry]

wait that means we can play together man

[honest cape]

I've transferred over to the dark side

[tight kernel]

Wait can you go cook and lmk how it taste

[copper radish]

I been playing fatebound KIR for keys no PC and having a fun time

[tight kernel]

Different tier of outlaw. Goated

[proper veldt]

[copper radish]

I played trick season 1 for keys when it was dog shit cause it was fun. Fate is fun now so we swapped lol

[keen belfry]

we can both practice

[copper radish]

Better yet has any1 just taken the ST fatebound build and used it for keys?

[keen belfry]

😄

[copper radish]

Big time boss prio damage

[magic shuttle]

it sucks

[copper radish]

Have u tried it lol

[magic shuttle]

ye tried fb in streets

not worth

[ripe ibex]

the sims tell me all i need to know

[copper radish]

I like it with the aoe flurry talents. But then I play trick the next key and it’s like a milly ahead 😂

[keen belfry]

u do know there are talents that just shot off/cook your prio dmg in fatebound right

[copper radish]

I do and it’s fun to play so it’s whatever lol

[tight kernel]

I mean if you’re doing weekly keys then I guess no biggie

[copper radish]

I usually do 13-14 max on keys so it works

[tight kernel]

I’d be perma banned from any key if I tried that

[young elbow]

Hi all, what can i do to avoid vanish being removed before it can proc subterfuge?

[copper radish]

That’s the beauty of LFG lol

[young elbow]

!stealthbugs

[ornate heath]

• Breaking Vanish with a trinket will not grant Subterfuge.
• Recasting Stealth while Subterfuge is already active will not grant you UHUH or Crackshot bonuses until Subterfuge expires. (fixed as of 11.1)
• Casting Vanish at the same frame that a previous Subterfuge ends will cause Crackshot to not activate.
• After breaking Stealth, there is about a 100ms delay before the effects of Subterfuge happen. You will thus lose about 100ms of adr

[copper radish]

Still do most overall as fatebound aoe over LFGers so it’s a fun time lol

[keen belfry]

i just hate the fatebound tree A LOT

[copper radish]

Get ready for a whole nother expansion with it lol

[keen belfry]

itll get some fixes in midnight dw

[lime lake]

[copper radish]

I’ll believe it when they fix the adrenaline procing coin in stealth lol

Imagine an apex talent sending a coin on eeach proc of FTH. Something like that would be wicked. 3+ coins every FTH pistol

[tight kernel]

Intended

[fathom bramble]

apex talents likely won't interact directly with hero talents like that

I'm interested in what the 3 new hero talent nodes will do though

[copper radish]

Who am I kidding something like that would get us nerfed so fast lol

[fathom bramble]

and they definitely could include all kinds of extra coin sources

[copper radish]

Roll the bones proccing coins would be cool

Or a new type of coin buff depending on the bones buff you roll? Hmmm

[fathom bramble]

I hopee they just fix fatebound being hilariously bad in aoe at least

[copper radish]

Uncap flurry

[fathom bramble]

Blade flurry now deals cosmic damage 🤔

and then sin gets like Fan of knives deals cosmic damage idk

[copper radish]

And fix that fatebound not aoe after X number of mobs or whatever it is lol

[copper radish]

That would be cool. Straight thru armor

[keen belfry]

my assumption with fatebound rework next tier is:
works in aoe
current tier (lucky coin guarantee) implemented in some way

thats basically it

[copper radish]

I’m think both tier bonuses get worked into new talents somehow

For pretty much all classes

[keen belfry]

im intrigued what they will do with trickster

cuz

wthout current tier, the KS CD change bricked trickster

[willow portal]

is there a wa that just tells me when to roll or to kir ?

[fathom bramble]

Maybe a new unseen blade source that scales well with otl

Like spending combo points has an x% chance per cp spent to trigger unseen blade

[shy meteor]

!bug

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[copper radish]

This. I love trickster. I just wish it did more ST. Maybe flurry triggers blades or flurry just does ST damage too

[shy meteor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[late swallow]

started suits btw

not bad at all

give it a go king

[tight kernel]

Suits is goated

White Collar as well

[proven ocean]

i hate suits