outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye

idk

outlaw is so trash

in st

i tought i would blast that boss

and like

idk

outlaw just bad i guess

I had insane gear aswell so idk

i mean i did had a 5mil wipe

at 2%

but that was like

omega god pull

every other pull were 4.5

how btw

i never got stuck out of melee

[gaunt phoenix]

Did you attempt vanish gs shit

[fathom bramble]

break into no room in melee

[vivid vessel]

ye

i do vanish gs

no vanish adr

[fathom bramble]

I could grapple in and try to force a spot ig

but it seemed too high risk

[vivid vessel]

hm

idk

my spot is in meele

left of tanks

and idc

i just go to it im always alone

worse case i go on the tanks idc

[vivid vessel]

did you guys not assign spots ?

like i always had my spot

wasnt an issue

[fathom bramble]

I was assigned breaks on left side twice and couldn't imo realistically get to the far right where I was assigned

not in a non-disruptive way

[vivid vessel]

really

[fathom bramble]

bad rng

[vivid vessel]

like

i just grappled

during the aoe

doesnt matter

you have so much time

[fathom bramble]

looks like we have 2 or 3 more melee than you

I think

[vivid vessel]

ye maybe

but

exile was stacking on his tank

if you have more melees you can do that

have tanks on either side (or a tank in range idk) and have dps stacked on tanks

dps that can do that

like idk im basically imune on that boss so

i could legit take 4 aoes if i wanted

[fathom bramble]

that would have been better for sure

[vivid vessel]

bro for soul hunter tho @fathom bramble

the last intermission

is so cringe

you basically afk

the whole thing

like boss jump away, and we would outrange the frontal

stay afk

[cedar kernel]

i decide to check zacs vod

[vivid vessel]

i had to do some magician shit to transform into ranged outlaw

[cedar kernel]

bc i found it like our group always dying

in 14+ even 13+

idk

like i have mood in my grade rn

thats too sad

@vivid vessel zac lord does ur healer mainly inter the range caster most of time? i was the one who mainly do it but i want to do more dmg there

[vivid vessel]

in halls ?

we decided to not interupt the houndmaster on shard pulls in halls

tank tanks

so we have more kicks on casters

[cedar kernel]

like every pull

[vivid vessel]

and we do 3 kick rotation on one guy, and healer + me + kidnye on other caster

[cedar kernel]

i will do this

[vivid vessel]

generally our healer will be the ranged interuppter tho

[cedar kernel]

i will talk about this with my mates

like i rly rly want to

defeat someone

but i just stucked, and our group is very cringe rn bc we even cannot time a 14+

ty zac lord

[glass silo]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[tidal wave]

Throwing my experience out: I utilized grapple a lot and just stacked on an assigned melee. It was rather easy that way.

[vivid vessel]

did you kill it in myuthic

oh well

you are the other outlaw log

ye

gg

[tidal wave]

Lol

Yup

[desert tendon]

hey i m the other outlo rog

[tidal wave]

Good, we need more

[red zinc]

yo we get balance changes now

Boss dead

[tidal wave]

Oh really?

[vapid blaze]

outlaw + 5% aura
bf -5%

[vivid vessel]

trickster need + 10%

and fatebound also need + 10 %

[desert tendon]

bte -5% ace -5%

[vivid vessel]

and trickster need to get another 10% after that

[indigo token]

and another 10 or else we close the discord till the rogue themed expansion

[vapid blaze]

maybe fatebound finally gets fixed

[mighty pivot]

+30% (to BR)

[cedar kernel]

-10% CD to KS

[fathom bramble]

Disorienting strikes increased to 50% for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

like

outlaw is bad if fatebound is so ahead

in st

[mighty pivot]

KS reworked again to be like breath of sindy

[vivid vessel]

but outlaw is also just bad and legit need a 10% aura

so in the end that means trikcster need 20% aura

no cap

[vapid blaze]

since assa uses fb aswell
maybe it gets fixed

[fathom bramble]

delivered doom should probably be the other way around

at least for law

sin it should maybe be "Fatebound coins triggered by envenom deal 30% more damage"

which is what it was in the first place iirc

[latent oak]

any gamers got opinions on what to take

[vivid vessel]

eh

[latent oak]

tempted by the hc prism ngl

[vivid vessel]

make another char idk

[random obsidian]

trickster also deserves not being ass to play

how to fix that

[vivid vessel]

all your builders should proc ub

ks should auto consume the 2 ub proc it gives

[vivid vessel]

escalating baldes should go up to like 8

[old gull]

[vivid vessel]

ub shouldnt be delayed

[cedar kernel]

should i get it

or only mythic ilvl

[mighty pivot]

you ask the robot

[vivid vessel]

ye hc agi slots are kinda hwatever

i woudlnt pay for it

i mean 60k is very cheap i guess

[cedar kernel]

fair ty zac

[maiden quail]

Anyone use any "goofy" macros?

[cinder relic]

/cast [@cursor] Grappling Hook
/use [stance:0] Prismatic Bauble```

[gaunt phoenix]

OUTLAW!!!!!!!

[indigo token]

OUTLAW!!!!!!!!!

[craggy barn]

OUTLAW!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fathom bramble]

@vivid vesselnexus king time

surely outlaw is good on this fight right

[wintry solar]

I have /e takes a sip of juice macroed to Crimson Vial.

People ask what kind of juice and it'd always the same

[vivid vessel]

i would play outlaw if it wasnt for the damage amp and the fight being litteraly a 1min30 fight

so

ye

idk

like you send your cds on cd as sub

and it all line up

you cd the add platforms

then damage amps

idk

so op

and like

thats a figtht you would want to play trickster on

if trikcstre wasnt 10% beihnd in st

idk

[fathom bramble]

well

unluck

fatebound time I guess

maybe they announce some changes now that rwf is over

it'

it's weird how easy every boss has been

all of prog is going to be on the 2 fights worst for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

tuning is wack this tier

unless you are liquid or echo

boss tuning i mean

[fathom bramble]

53 total pulls to get first 6

[vivid vessel]

ye

[vapid blaze]

hows assa on dimensius
is it more p3 damage with fb

[vivid vessel]

doubt

sub just does way more in the damage amp

so idk

[vapid blaze]

yeah

[cinder relic]

Sub v good

[vivid vessel]

• assa wont do good on platform phases

[vapid blaze]

yeah and p1

[vivid vessel]

while sub is very good at that

i mean p1 is whatever

its the exact same

[vapid blaze]

good sub tier
im happy for em tbh

[vivid vessel]

i guess maybe sin cant cleave adds

so thats bad

and sub can easely swap to adds

ye whatever

sub is op

[vapid blaze]

u think it gets nerfed? 😄

[vivid vessel]

nop

[fathom bramble]

it's not even like normal op

it's just designed in a way that makes it insane on the most important fight in the raid

idk how you nerf that in a way that could even feel fair

since most players will never even pull mythic dimensius even once

[strong halo]

Why is this so funny

[old gull]

i lol'd ngl

[strong halo]

wtf Zac go to bed

[vivid vessel]

cause outlaw is dogshit

[strong halo]

Bad dk parse > best outlaw parse 😂

[fathom bramble]

good for the 14 pulls the DH boss takes

huge value

[strong halo]

Well on the bright side it’s only boss that gives good ooot

Loot

[vivid vessel]

and tbf

you have to be insane on dh boss i think

the boss is so hard

• 0 fps

good boss blizzard

[strong halo]

Bro what do you mean I had triple the fps on Dh boss

Than last boss

[vivid vessel]

to dps I meant

[strong halo]

P2

[vivid vessel]

idk on pull

[strong halo]

Oh

[haughty moat]

did someone fatebound keys? sims higher for me in slice, with 500k better ST

[strong halo]

I’m playing Roblox for p2 last boss with a 4070

[vivid vessel]

i go down to 23 fps on pull

and then the whole fight is 30/40 fps

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel why does your guild play double Aug? Secret tech?

[vivid vessel]

do we

its deva no ?

[haughty moat]

what cpu ?

[vivid vessel]

7800x3d

[haughty moat]

hmmm should be fine

[strong halo]

Nm it’s Warcraft logs showing wrong spec

[mighty pivot]

I did a key with a FB ST spec by mistake. Would not recommend. It will be less bad with actual BF talents though

[late swallow]

bro it's like 4:30 am where you are

why aren't you in bed

[vivid vessel]

nah nvm

ebon might

thats aug

[strong halo]

I tried raiding without Elvui my fps still shit

[vivid vessel]

well

we aug the wls

i guess

[late swallow]

you gotta go to bed bro please

[vivid vessel]

worth it prolly

[mighty pivot]

do you have shit fps on lexus king saladbar too?

[vivid vessel]

no

i dont think so

nah

im 80fps

on laradar

[vivid vessel]

40 on pull

goes up quikcly after

[strong halo]

Dh legit cost echo wf

[mighty pivot]

those pulses on pull were the rough ones yes but they really tanked my fps for some reason

[vivid vessel]

reason being

blizzard

doesnt know

how to optimise

their cringe game

so ye

ok i guess im at 50/60 on salazar

[strong halo]

Idk how yall enjoy raiding, fps is shit, commit schedule every week, becomes more stale every week

[vivid vessel]

sometimes more

i see some 70 and shit

and everytime one guy die

i gain 10 fps

[strong halo]

M+ is where the fun is

[vivid vessel]

per dead people

kinda crazy ngl

[mighty pivot]

just kill friends then

[vivid vessel]

like

by the time half the raid is dead

[strong halo]

Lmao pay 10000g to your evoker to pull people off ledge

[vivid vessel]

i doubled my fps

120 by then

peaked at 130 here

with 5 people alive

thats kinda wild im ngl

[strong halo]

Zac tricks of the trading other dps. On pull KEK

[vivid vessel]

ye im at 140 when im last alive

holy shit bro

what a game

everytime you aad a player you just remove 10% of your fps

goated

[mighty pivot]

well the setting they added in 11.2 for reduced spell effects from others doesn't even work from what I was reading. Unless they fixed it since

[strong halo]

Do you stream on same pc?

[fathom bramble]

this fight would be so much easier if I unloaded my easy rotation on pull and got to relax during every mechanic

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[fathom bramble]

so much shit going on

[vivid vessel]

Nah

I love that fight bro

Or you mean dh boss

[fathom bramble]

salhaadar

DH boss is dead

we are past that

[strong halo]

Would prbly help if you didn’t stream or had 2nd pc

[vivid vessel]

Saladar is so cool tho

Idk

Also

Ngl

The mechanics

Are so easy

Id you killed kyveza

Lol

[fathom bramble]

yeah these ghosts are way slower

[vivid vessel]

I was watching world first player struggling on the ghosts

Like legit

Dying to it

And it's literally so easy

After doing kyveza

[strong halo]

Bro I swear kyvezza challenge is harder mechanically than most mythic bosses

[vivid vessel]

Like I don't even need to stop dps

[lime lake]

smh raid prep didnt include killing ?? kyveza

[mighty pivot]

someone post that kyveza copypasta

[vivid vessel]

I can do it running around the boss

[vivid vessel]

Legit should

[vivid vessel]

It is lol

[lime lake]

yeah i could definitely see it

that fight is not easy

[vivid vessel]

You know 4th boss

[lime lake]

good mechanics check

[vivid vessel]

That was hard mechanically

@fathom bramble

Did you try 4€th prenerfe

[mighty pivot]

"LFM MO mythic - contract killers only"

[strong halo]

Kyvezza just demands perfection for 8 mins straight no redos. Raids have brez

[gaunt phoenix]

4€th prenerfe

[vivid vessel]

Stfu

Noob

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

Like pre nerf 4 th boss

[random stirrup]

4€th prenerfe

[vivid vessel]

The waves were so fast

You had to actually game to dodge

[wintry solar]

Solo green and Zac isn't. Solo less noob. Ezpz

[vivid vessel]

Like on kuveza

[haughty moat]

zacrebleu angry again?

[mighty pivot]

4 euros only huh

[vivid vessel]

Now they made it as fast as hc btw

Like

Xd

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[random stirrup]

Ya 4th boss got lobotomized

[vivid vessel]

It's so easy now nothing to do anymore

[strong halo]

Solo is a community figure tho Zac is not

Solo > Zac

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[vivid vessel]

The things were hard to dodge

They nuked all of it

I'm so glad I get to prog king dude pre nerf tho

[strong halo]

But this discord is run by Assas players they all haters

[vivid vessel]

Cause that boss is goated

[fathom bramble]

we had 1 meme pull

[strong halo]

Mythic queen last season felt super mechanical

And silken court and kyvezza

Well 2 seasons ago

[vivid vessel]

It felt cool dodging the waves

Like you are in the matrix

But oh well

At least kalgacock is like that aswell

Gamer dude boss

I like

[random stirrup]

I will be very sad if they murder nexus by the time we get to him

[cinder relic]

They might nerf the facing ghost mechanic

Thats it

[frail veldt]

Kyveza was so fun

I think my favorite parts of wow so far have been kyveza and the mage tower rerelease in shadowlands pre nerfs

[frail veldt]

Unfort

That part is hard though

For some people it just might not be possible without insane time put in

If they just don't have the manual dexterity/reaction for it

[vivid vessel]

Broo

It's so easy

If you did kyveza

Like litteraly

[frail veldt]

It's objectively not easy

[vivid vessel]

Piss

Omegalul

If you did kyveza it is

Mewo

I'm for real rn

[frail veldt]

I did do it

[vivid vessel]

Ye so

Just watch ghost

[frail veldt]

It was the hardest part of the fight ...

[vivid vessel]

I mean did you try the boss yet

[frail veldt]

Wait is there something newer I'm missing

[vivid vessel]

On kyveza it was hard

[frail veldt]

I could be out of the loop rn

I'm talking about kyveza solo boss right

[vivid vessel]

I'm talking about Nexus king

[frail veldt]

OOOOH

I'm saying the kyveza one is hard

[vivid vessel]

They are using a similar face ghost mechanic

Except

It's like

[frail veldt]

Aaaaaaaah

[vivid vessel]

So much easier than kyveza

[frail veldt]

I thought you were saying kyveza was easy

I was like bruh

[vivid vessel]

And I was watching world first raider struggle on it

And all im saying is

If they had done kyveza

It's piss compared to that

[frail veldt]

I mean if any of those rwf raiders can't do kyveza in under 100 pulls that would be kinda cringe imo

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

Ye I mean idk

Just saying

[frail veldt]

what mythic bosses do you think have been harder than kyveza? from an individual perspective

[vivid vessel]

None

[frail veldt]

wild

I mean makes sense

cuz if 20 people had to do kyveza level difficulty

at once

it would take so many pulls

could you imagine

[vivid vessel]

It's just mechanical tho

[frail veldt]

yeah but still

[random stirrup]

prenerf tindral

[vivid vessel]

Usually raid bosses bave more than just that

[frail veldt]

you have to have 20 people not mess up

for 8 minutes

[vivid vessel]

Like coordination

And shit

[frail veldt]

even if you were to do kyveza again after knowing it well

what do you think your failure rate is

[vivid vessel]

Idk

[frail veldt]

at best 50/50?

[random stirrup]

low

[vivid vessel]

I'm pretty confident I could do the face ghost mechanic for like 30 min straight and not fail

[frail veldt]

so thats almost 4 times in a row

[vivid vessel]

But I will fail the minigame intermission

[frail veldt]

well thast part of it

also thats still insane to me

[vivid vessel]

Haha

Ye idk

[frail veldt]

but still so you think like 50/50?

if youre locked in

8 minutes

[vivid vessel]

I think if I'm locked in

I kill it

Always

But the thing is

[frail veldt]

well how many pulls could you do that in a row

[vivid vessel]

Idk if I would be capable

Of locking in again

You know

[frail veldt]

im just trying to say even if your success rate was 80%

20 people

[vivid vessel]

Like how you can't lockin in resilient keys

[frail veldt]

the odds of rolling an 80% chance 20 times

is not very high

[vivid vessel]

Or in reclears

Or whatever

Like it's not the same

But like if I'm locked in

My success rate is 100%

No cap

[worldly pawn]

Guys, which D.I.S.C. belt should I use for M+ and raid?

[vivid vessel]

I can't fail

[frail veldt]

like bro

0.8^20

1.15%

[vivid vessel]

Only the intermission I can fail

[frail veldt]

IF EVERYONE

is 80%

thats 1.15% chance of success

[vivid vessel]

What

No

[frail veldt]

yes it is

thast the math

[vivid vessel]

Is that how it works

[random stirrup]

80 whole pulls

[frail veldt]

yes

thats how it works

thats probability

[gaunt phoenix]

crit chain or charged crystal is about the same

[frail veldt]

you can think of it like having to flip a 80/20 odds 20 times in a row

so 0.8 * 0.8.... to 20

[vivid vessel]

Ye hm

[frail veldt]

thats if you could stay locked in that long

[vivid vessel]

Ok well

[frail veldt]

by 80 pulls

[vivid vessel]

I'm telling you tho

[frail veldt]

youre downt o like 50%

and bro

[vivid vessel]

I'm 100% on it so

Easy enough for the boys

[worldly pawn]

ty :3

[frail veldt]

.5^20 is 1 in a MILLION

MILLLION

[random stirrup]

I mean ya def if ur whole raid had to kill kyveza same pull boss is living forever

[frail veldt]

bro

literally

if people were 50/50 it would take OVER a million pulls

[vivid vessel]

Not if they are all me

[frail veldt]

well I guess not over a million the average would be in the middle

but

its 1 in a million per pull hahahaha

I dont think you could 80/20 for 80 pulls thouh zac

[random stirrup]

1000 wipes to child’s mini game

[frail veldt]

I think if you did 80 pulls on kyveza

your success rate would not be 80%

yeah youd fail minigame

[vivid vessel]

It would be 100%

[frail veldt]

and be on tilt

lol

[vivid vessel]

If I'm locked in like I'm trying to kill it for the first time

Which is different

Now I couldn't do it again for 100%

Similar to how I can't time a resilient key

[frail veldt]

yeah but what if 1 of the 20 zacs

is like mid discord argument

with zeross

and hes not locked in

[random stirrup]

have you all played elden ring/soulsborne style things

[frail veldt]

then you wipe

and youre fucked

[vivid vessel]

But we will just one shot 22s

[frail veldt]

lol

[vivid vessel]

Like mewo

[random stirrup]

idk u pull a boss a bunch of times but then once it’s dead it’s soooo free

[vivid vessel]

We wiped in 21 motherlode

For like 2 hours

Then we went 22

One shot it

Easy key

[frail veldt]

who wants to get jacked like gingi

[vivid vessel]

We did 2 try 22 motherlode the whole season

Basically timed both

21s?

We probably depleted more than half of them

[frail veldt]

well some things get easier in execution once you discover the correct way to do it

[vivid vessel]

Just cause it's impossible to be locked in

In things that don't matter

[frail veldt]

I think kyveza even knowing exactly how evertying works you only get to a certain level of sucess

cuz its just so much mechanical difficulty

[vivid vessel]

Once it was resilient our success rate went down dramatically

[frail veldt]

its like speed running though

with enough practice you can get REALLY good

but never 100%

[vivid vessel]

And it's my point with kyveza

Once I got kyveza

Once I learned the fight

I'm telling you it could have been 30 min long

[frail veldt]

sure

[vivid vessel]

I would not have failed a single ghost

Not a single one

[frail veldt]

but still 30 minutes is what like 10 pulls?

so thast 10%

[vivid vessel]

I can guarantee you that

No I'm just saying after 30 min I might get tired bro

[frail veldt]

I mean zac just do 10 pulls on kyveza

[vivid vessel]

Bro have you not been reading

I'm confused

I just explained to you

[frail veldt]

no im saying thats my point

[vivid vessel]

How the locked in buff

Works

[frail veldt]

the theory of "everyone just lock in on THIS NEXT pull"

[vivid vessel]

And you still ask this

[frail veldt]

just doesnt work out haha

when theres 20 people

[vivid vessel]

No cause

It's different

[frail veldt]

1 person will be on tilt

[vivid vessel]

When you are killing it for the first time

[frail veldt]

and then the locked in buff wears off

yeah but this is assuming you havent yet killed it

[vivid vessel]

When I'm progging I use 200% of my mental power

[frail veldt]

thats how rwf works lol

[vivid vessel]

When I'm reclearing I'm at 10%

Unless I'm trying to mega parse

Then it's the same shit

But I can't do it the same way

Idk how you can't understand that

Same with keys

We will one shot 22s then wipe over and over in 21 resilient

[jovial basalt]

should I just craft my ohand dagger? im never doing mythic raid nad im not even close to doing +10s yet. Crafted my dword already

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe something like ring/belt is a better craft than off hand

[late swallow]

bro are these your cats?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[fair oak]

No I just collect cats

[gaunt phoenix]

[late swallow]

it's so sweet watching mama cats interact with their kittens

[gaunt phoenix]

let them free

[quaint mauve]

that guy did a lot of uhhh

dmg on dimensius

on sub

[late swallow]

did you see his vod

you can just stack that trinket and save it for amp

55k agi in sub cds during amp

[quaint mauve]

yeah

thats crazy

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix is the warpclaw like over simming

It doesn’t feel all that good and I have a fully loaded 6/6 myth of it

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so, it does just 1.6% overall, that's kinda what mainstat trinkets do

[long barn]

Thanks I’ll check my log

[long barn]

Yeah. 1.68%

whats a good unseen blades dmg% we should shoot for

5%

Or something

[mossy compass]

Anyone see this?
https://youtu.be/gvFY5Jq3VuU?t=638

An Outlaw Rogue, Roll the Bones, looks like dual wielding daggers.

[fathom bramble]

yeah

maybe part of the transmog changes

or perhaps we are losing the ability to use swords who knows

[gaunt phoenix]

We don't know if it's transmog or real daggers

[mighty pivot]

midnight pirates have smaller pp weapons

[wintry solar]

He ambushed too btw

So HO stays

Fth

[olive marten]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fathom bramble]

I'm seeing mg procs

unluck

[mighty pivot]

if they allow daggers for outlaw then there is almost no reason to use a non-dagger. And if you can tmog a sword on daggers there is no cosmetic downside either

[wintry solar]

Him not vanishing to hold adr made me nervous because I'm not used to being that slow with adr

[fathom bramble]

dagger MH will be better for the same reasons as dagger OH too so

idk it'd be weird

[mighty pivot]

or they can just normalise poison proc rate too

[mossy compass]

Or, the people recording that don't know how Outlaw works and assumed all Rogues use daggers

[wintry solar]

You can't dispatch with daggers

I'm pretty sure it's just a showcase of the Prey system and we're over analyzing.

[mossy compass]

Alternative conspiracy theory, all specs are getting RtB and Blade Flurry

[wintry solar]

The do this kind of thing sometimes

That'd be crazy

[fathom bramble]

this is true

[mighty pivot]

for all you know the footage is from an older build where they were trying something new

[wintry solar]

I'd honestly put my money on this

[late swallow]

blizz media intern uses random old b roll footage
RH losing their minds theorycrafting

love to see it

[vivid vessel]

I put all my money on the new transmog system

[chrome bone]

is there some video guide to current outlaw? ive been over the written ones over and over and i seem to do sth wrong since whenever i come across other outlaw rogues i feel like i got last season gear 😒 and i cant seem to find my issue

[vivid vessel]

Since you transmog a slot

And not the weapon itself

So it make sense that you could transmog both slots to whatever as outlaw

No matter the weapons equipped

[wintry solar]

I was disappointed until I learned that it changes bases on the situation because I keep my pve and pvp mog different.

[mossy compass]

I wonder how that would work DKs that might switch between 1h and 2h

[wintry solar]

I doubt that's what would happen. I think they would've announced that today.

[fathom bramble]

it also might be something they created without actually recording any gameplay at all and just placed models and set animations to run

[vivid vessel]

Can't they already transmog 1h to 2 hander etc

Doesn't change anything no?

[fathom bramble]

everything can be fake

nothing is real

[wintry solar]

Only legion artifact

[vivid vessel]

You just transmog both slots but if you have only one weapon équipd it would show one weapon only evidently

[mighty pivot]

if they really wanted to troll outlaw rogues, they should've put old KS in the demo

[fathom bramble]

now that you transmog the slot not the item I feel like it's just going to be a new system that lets you wear whatever you want

[wintry solar]

They have that in ascension

[mossy compass]

It does make me hopeful that we're seeing Outlaw in so many examples, and specifically called out in interviews

[wintry solar]

Alpha is soon so we'll see

[frail veldt]

What ilvl are yall swapping the belt out at?

[mighty pivot]

hopeful

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Cautiously hopeful

[mossy compass]

https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923

[frail veldt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[fathom bramble]

I'm almost hyped for the possibilities that apex talents can bring

going to be a good alpha

soon™

[late swallow]

anyone up strooping they waffle rn?

[craggy barn]

???

[sudden fulcrum]

i wish

[junior coral]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[latent panther]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

So if I am at low cps and have coup ready and have only 1 PS stack, Is it not technically better to send my first coup at low cps then PS before sending my 2nd coup? Assuming im not in aoe so I cant BF

[pastel cedar]

i did a 5 minute sim for ST and then hit a dummy for 5 minutes and comparing it to my sim my BTE did way less than the sim with only a 13 different count amount. what am i doing wrong lol?

[cinder relic]

sims merge bte and idpsatch

[gaunt phoenix]

it wont be the entire difference, but in that raidbots report, the damage from the dispatch casted by the crackshot talent is also bundled into bte

[pastel cedar]

oh sorry didnt include that

so BTE did 153m alone?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah that looks expected

[pastel cedar]

and my dummy test did 57m alone with a 13 difference

13 casts of BTE would = almost 100m damage?

[gaunt phoenix]

are you on a pvp dummy?

bte is very high damage in logs

[bright crane]

Rwf is over maybe we’ll see some tuning?

[small crescent]

how are peeps getting 691 nightfall cudgel?

[elder phoenix]

704 ilvl

with 30% vers

am i doing it right

[cedar kernel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[elder phoenix]

correction

31% haste unbuff

[cedar kernel]

i tried zac wa but i dont fit it

[elder phoenix]

earm 31% vers UNBUFF

28% haste

[torpid fiber]

you can get it from the weekly box for doing nightfall, one chance per week

no deterministic way to get it

[jolly geyser]

maan, I missed the kill. Was late ig

[glass mortar]

happened while i was classic raiding

very hype

[small crescent]

ah i see, thanks

[frank finch]

oh no

is our god king washed?

[fathom bramble]

could be worse

[frank finch]

[lime lake]

what a gamer

[proven ocean]

Ye actual best race of all time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

Came from travel and stuff so i had to bedge early

I was microwaved no cappy

Wait echo wiped 0.3% before liquid won too?

Holy shit

Crazy

[fathom bramble]

2 sub 1% wipes before losing in the end

[proven ocean]

Holy fuck

Crazy race

F to fraggo

Prob a gkick inc

[tender wedge]

nah

he might leave tho

that'd be a tough one to get over

[proven ocean]

I’ve never seen anyone flop rwf that hard before

[proven ocean]

Its his fault for not playing too hard beforehand

Practicing in wow is important

Not just ye im good at the game i wont play alot pre race

[hardy thicket]

Hard to factor in 17+ hours of gaming and nerves into that though lol

Adrenaline goes so hard you are shaking

[tender wedge]

people were fucking up for 350 pulls, you don't gkick someone for being the dude who's turn it was at 1%

from what ive heard quite a few of those RWF guys don't play a tonne outside of race time and prep

[quaint mauve]

am i cool guys

[tender wedge]

but yeah if that was me i'd just be too ashamed to come back lol

[quaint mauve]

how the gear lookin

so glad i was able to be part of the world first

[tender wedge]

those guys mentals are probably different tho idk

[hardy thicket]

I mean practicing outside of RWF is not going to remedy shit like that

[tender wedge]

exactly

[hardy thicket]

RWF practice is the only thing that remedies it

aka experience

Or you are just a natural at staying calm and collected despite pressure

[tender wedge]

i think that's a big part

not everyone can maintain that kind of calm and focus, practice will only take you so far

[hardy thicket]

Its partly true, but if you have like 10+ RWFs in your bag with neck-and-neck races your nerves will automatically just be better

[tender wedge]

for sure

[hardy thicket]

but I mean Max was openly nervous AF last 6 hours or so

and hes just calling shit

and has a ton of experience

Feels weird to admit but man I kinda miss being like 350+ pulls deep and just locking into an end-boss fight that feeling is so insane

[smoky venture]

Why does old 4 set feels so much better in mythic +

[quaint mauve]

it is.

me thinks

[tender wedge]

you hit more buffs more often

[glass mortar]

its better then 2/2 for trickster

[tender wedge]

not surprised

new one is a lot of CDR so

you get to roll more often if bad, more supercharger etc

not sure what that does to average buff # uptime but it's a lot more convoluted than "roll 5 buffs way more often"

[wintry solar]

How much do you lose by not dropping S2 4pc in M+?

[craggy barn]

gdi

i just realized all 3 specs use diff wep chants

[midnight granite]

?

the difference gonna be like nothing

[craggy barn]

its everything man

gotta minmax

[midnight granite]

okay its more than I thought

lmao

[smoky venture]

So disappointing

[fathom bramble]

you need to sim the new set with loaded dice

[craggy barn]

huge man (from double depths)

insane

[midnight granite]

its like 86k dps for me lol in dslice

[craggy barn]

this was pure patchwerk

[fathom bramble]

still dissapointing

[craggy barn]

patchwerk sin

ive been nerfing myself

wtf

i probably coulda 100 parsed sin and sub!

[midnight granite]

just 100 parse outlaw

[craggy barn]

on fights i played them aside from dimmy

[midnight granite]

and move on

[craggy barn]

i did

[midnight granite]

good

[craggy barn]

(ilvl parse) pepw

[midnight granite]

smh

[craggy barn]

bro i did so bad on fracccy this week compared to last week

[smoky venture]

@fathom bramble https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h7Z2t2UNjzwGb3BEiF1As7

[smoky venture]

Still a DPS lost for me

[craggy barn]

i fucked up so bad

[fathom bramble]

this sim appears to still be sleight of hand instead of loaded dice

I already reran it with loaded dice and got the image I pinged you with

[smoky venture]

FK me , im tired. I know what you meant

ty

[fathom bramble]

you do wear the new tier, but it's not exactly the exciting gain you want from a new tierset

[craggy barn]

ok why the fuck does talent tweaks ex sometimes fuck my hotbars

or is the game being stupid with spec swaps

[smoky venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wHNwNs9TRfDE6UVCwuw4LH

@fathom bramble You were right

[craggy barn]

hmm i could go crit crit wep chants for not much loss on outlaw

🤔

er i gues depths crit

[quaint mauve]

bro i can’t take it anymore

im talking to a guy that geniunely believes with all his heart

that classic is the hard version of wow

[craggy barn]

hes not wrong

its super hard to stay awake

playing that version

dslice outlaw

holy

[quaint mauve]

and he takes every chance to say that oh, yeah you actually need to play the game in this version

it makes me tweak

[craggy barn]

ignore classic andys man

[quaint mauve]

he’s my friend…

we’re playing classic together….

[craggy barn]

just let the old man argue at clouds

no reason to actually care about their opinion on the matter, nor try to fix it

[quaint mauve]

AND HE ISNT OLD

GAHHHHH

[craggy barn]

so what

[quaint mauve]

nah idrc

[craggy barn]

hes acting like a boomer

[quaint mauve]

i know for a fact

[craggy barn]

or hes giga trolling u

[quaint mauve]

that my 15 hoa is harder than celestials

[quaint mauve]

no he’s genuine, he does it even when im not around i’ve heard

[craggy barn]

just point to the mop classic RWF vs literally this RWF

[quaint mauve]

his excuse is that it’s been played through b4 so rwf doesn’t matter

….

[craggy barn]

say "classic has been played through before, so classic doesnt matter"

solved game

who cares

ez

[quaint mauve]

true

[craggy barn]

game cant be hard if its already been done before in his logic then

u already won, if he fights back just say hes finding a game that other peopel already completed hard

so he must be bad

and just laugh at him

ez

[quaint mauve]

bro playing outlaw and hearing, “ur just mashing buttons “ makes me tweak a bit

[craggy barn]

bro no one needs to understand how outlaw actually works outside of outlaw players

they'll never learn

[quaint mauve]

im having fun on classic

tho

[craggy barn]

ye mop is a fun time

[quaint mauve]

slower pace

[craggy barn]

i wont go back to it

[quaint mauve]

relaxing

[craggy barn]

been there done that

[quaint mauve]

i don’t get called a slur by my tank for “doing tank dmg” on the first pull

it’s like

life is good

[craggy barn]

ive never been called out for bad damage

[quaint mauve]

the pvp is good

[craggy barn]

bc i never do bad damage

still wont go back

[quaint mauve]

i don’t do bad dmg…

it’s just always pull 1

idk i have a good trinket now

[craggy barn]

just do more in pull 1 ez

[quaint mauve]

maybe i’ll do dmg

cursed stone

[craggy barn]

lol

[quaint mauve]

is this cope

…

[craggy barn]

idk i dont have a stone

[balmy topaz]

[normal forge]

What is the conceptual logic behind keeping ADR uptime high and using double coup ?

I've been struggling to keep ADR up with current trickster kir AOE build with new tierset.

Any advice?

[vapid sundial]

i said this same thing the other week

lol

[quaint mauve]

u called someone a slur?

[vapid sundial]

wtf

thats not what i repleid to

DISOCRD

i was talkiing abt the tweaking over outlaw being called a spam spec

[quaint mauve]

adr uptime is based on ur rotational correctness and rule following

if ur doing everything correctly adr shouldnt drop

for double coup idk what u mean

whats the question abt

[dull ivy]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[normal forge]

see 4p effect here . its the double coup thing

[quaint mauve]

what are you confused about

exactly

[normal forge]

doing coup , then building combo points again for second coup, takes a lot from my ADR , so when i am back to go vanish ADR is almost gone, so I am finding it hard to put this in my rotation, when it was simpliers just keeping bte on cd and vanish, my adr uptime was fine, but with double coup, i having a hard time fitting it into my rotation

[cinder haven]

You can send the second coup on low cp

Especially if you would have to build with ss

[normal forge]

i never use ambush, thats something else, this KIR build never uses ambush, right?

[cinder haven]

Correct

Double coup should rather help with adr uptime

It’s a lot of extra cdr

[normal forge]

but the time that it takes for me to : build cp > coup > build cp > coup > build cp > bte > build cps > vanish > is a lot of time

[worldly shale]

The rule is, if u cant build up cp with bf or ps u just send sencond coup with low cp

into vanish etc

[cinder haven]

Your dont have to do the bte

[normal forge]

i see

[cinder haven]

Skip that step, after second coup, just build into vanish bte

[normal forge]

got it, so build cp fast with deft or pistol > coup > build cp fast with deft or pistol > coup (if not low cp coup ) > 6 cp vanish > rotation

[cinder haven]

So with low cp coup and no bte before vanish it should take a lot less time out of stealth

[normal forge]

i was focused on keeping bte on cd out of stealth and ss build takes a lot of time to build cp

[cinder haven]

Also, if you risk dropping adr and there is long cd on adr you can vanish in any situation on any cp just to save adr

But that’s more advanced stuff

[worldly shale]

Just go read #outlaw-faq

In advanced info

[raven canopy]

what am i looking for when looking at my logs

[worldly shale]

u got everything

[cinder haven]

Most important vanish rule is never ever vanish without adr up

[worldly shale]

The first thing is probably adr uptime

[cinder haven]

Outlaw logs are really hard to read

But yeah adr uptime is an indicator if you are doing things right or not

[raven canopy]

what should it be sitting at?

[cinder haven]

wcl logs 85% or so is decent

[normal forge]

i was doing great adr uptime with old tier, this tier i am struggling hard with

[cinder haven]

It’s challenging to fit in ks, burn ub charges and double coup all out of stealth

[worldly shale]

What i do is ks before coup, even if i have coup

overstack on ub

[cinder haven]

Interrupting ks set full cp can help

[worldly shale]

double coup into vanish

then i have like 3 unseen blades out of vanish

feels good

dunno if its right tho

[cinder haven]

Right enough

There are many different ways to do it

[normal forge]

im always interrupting ks full cp

[cinder haven]

Technically it’s dps gain to not interrupt

But i think it’s highly theoretical

Sims almost never lose adr

[worldly shale]

feels better to cancel it tbh

[cinder haven]

For sure

[worldly shale]

especially with the wa for sound

xd

when that gun cocks

i have to send a spender

[cinder haven]

The vanish rules I’m not completely happy with tho

If you only vanish after double coup i think you overcap vanish charges a lot

[worldly shale]

i do vanish if im out of ub and ks tbh

it feels bad waiting for ub

[cinder haven]

I’ve been also vanishing any time i can’t force full eb stacks

[worldly shale]

if im close to capped that is

[cinder haven]

So like eb charges + ub stacks*2 <4

If ks cd is also far off i vanish here

[worldly shale]

yup

same

[normal forge]

what is ub stacks?

an unseen blade

[cinder haven]

Next question is if we should really vanish after coup if we can force another coup

[worldly shale]

an unseen blade is the deadliest

[cinder haven]

Do you have the ub wa?

[worldly shale]

that saved my life btw

goated

[cinder haven]

So unseen that we can’t even track it

[worldly shale]

the stacks from first 2 fall off mid vanish, or even at the start i think

[desert tendon]

[worldly shale]

of ff

[cinder haven]

Yeah, unless we can do it gigafast

[worldly shale]

it has to be GIGA

i tried

xd

[cinder haven]

Double low cp coup etc

[worldly shale]

tbh it feels better sending

2xcoup into vanish

and then after vanish

[cinder haven]

Maybe it depends on if you can vanish again after

[worldly shale]

if ks then ks, if not then double coup into vanish again

yes

that also

[cinder haven]

I’ve been messing with these rules in sims a bit

Only 0.3-0.5% improvements so far tho

[worldly shale]

doesnt matter, if its within 1% i just do what feels better and has better flow

[cinder haven]

Mainly that extra vanish condition I mentioned before

[worldly shale]

if i have a higher chance to brick my adr or something for 1%

i just cba

[heavy shadow]

ST for Nexus King right?

[worldly shale]

Sub for nexus king

XD

[cinder haven]

Looser vanish rules usually feels better in keys

ST you can do more silly stuff

[worldly shale]

everything with damage amp just reroll sub

on myth ofc, hc u can play whatev

[heavy shadow]

Just HC yeah, but ST I guess is best

I don't have a decent dagger

[swift moon]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[worldly shale]

I mean, ur logs will probably be shite

if that doesnt matter

then yes, st