#outlaw
white marten
tropic zephyr
white marten
30%!!!!
tropic zephyr
EZ 2ND PATTERN
white marten
LIQUID P2!!
late swallow
sub 5% wipe incoming
red zinc
o7
proven ocean
they are fine
tight kernel
RIDE OUT
proven ocean
relax
white marten
TUNE OUT
proven ocean
timer is good
white marten
TUNE OUT
white marten
TUNE OUT
tight kernel
Out out
proven ocean
they were way ahead in dps
tight kernel
red zinc
boss aint dying today noc ap
proven ocean
rip
proven ocean
LIQUID BURN SOON
i think u mean they got burned
tropic zephyr
white marten
no ride gif for liquid
tight kernel
Where we riding
white marten
mouse died lol
proven ocean
idkidk
imagine if they pull same time
and they kill same time
??
who wins
cuh
tropic zephyr
Best race in 25 years
lime lake
imagine it doesnt die today and method wakes up fresh as fuck and kills
proven ocean
what the helly
white marten
they flip a coin
proven ocean
replace fraggo and boss die 
white marten
put ross in coach!
late swallow
late swallow
swifty is goated wdytm
proven ocean
none of it makes sense
white marten
lime lake
ok zeross is gone now they can kill
proven ocean
i can actually do a time skip
lime lake
wait fuck
white marten
Im going to sleep. Dont tag me if someone wins pls
tropic zephyr
Imagine not seeing live kill 
lavish ice
did anybody notice that in the midnight panel (specifically the "prey" showcase) they had footage of an outlaw rogue with 2 daggers?
lime lake
nope just you
gaunt phoenix
Yes
We dont know if it's transmog
or Outlaw can use daggers
either way they are cooking
tight kernel
sleep and see who wins
Yeah but not as hype to watch replay
indigo token
another tier without outlaw wf
fallow fractal
KEKW
fallow fractal
Apex Outlaw Talents go hard
proven ocean
@vivid vessel LOCK IN ECHO INC
wintry solar
They also ambushed and shot a fth proc so HO is here to stay.
proven ocean
tropic zephyr
tropic zephyr
ECHO DOING IT
proven ocean
their burn was 72
thats so irrelevant what are u talking about
wintry solar
The race is over
tight kernel
How much fraggo pay for CE?
red zinc
what did fraggo even do i havent been paying attention
proven ocean
@vivid vessel ALT TAB
wintry solar
It's actually crazy how much chat shrunk when I put Zeross on ignore temporarily
lime lake
worldly shale
gaunt phoenix
what's the walmart meme
proven ocean
fucking fraggo again
2 res 2 res
okokokok
omgogmogmogmgomgogm
kill
incincincicnicnc
tight kernel
Wait
proven ocean
fuuuck
worldly shale
tight kernel
Tune out
red zinc
what did healers get boomed by there
tight kernel
Skill
tropic zephyr
HOOOOOWWWWWW
tight kernel
tight kernel
Liquid trolling 
west ridge
https://tenor.com/view/swifty-mount-wow-swifty-wow-world-of-warcraft-on-my-way-g...
bro swifty is basically just humping the air
tropic zephyr
perfecto just got a message from kush to let method catch up
worldly shale
DUMP EEEET
tropic zephyr
i wanted to make a liquid stock bogdanov conspiracy joke earlier but i didn't have the strength to write it up
tight kernel
Zeross passed out?
tight kernel
I think
If echo bed
Liquid plays worse
Because no pressure e
And the script flips
And it’s liquid extending bed while echo wakes up
worldly shale
proven ocean
did u guys know that rogue is the only class in the game thats melee and cant be ranged/tank/healer
late swallow
did u guys know that rogue is the only class in the game thats melee and cant be...
throw knife
wrong
worldly shale
rogue ranged spec when
desert tendon
Next expansion no play
proven ocean
bed time for me
worldly shale
proven ocean
gn chat no cappy
desert tendon
Bye loser
proven ocean
i watch from bed abit then sleep
craggy kelp
See you in an hr
lime lake
back in 7m max
lucid vale
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ocean steeple
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
glass silo
Does any1 have a weakaura to track AR duration? The ones i make get stuck to like 19min when im in subterfuge
tropic zephyr
craggy kelp
HOLD
craggy kelp
FRAGGO LMAO
strong flicker
red zinc
dude
late swallow
https://tenor.com/view/shane-boyle-299-birch-drive-rostock-racing-deer-club-oddk...
Wtf real?
red zinc
dreamy nexus
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
stiff hawk
zeross wouldnt walk into the black hole here
How dares he after 14+ Hours gaming
to make a mistake
keen belfry
guys do you think echo and liquid should do a no comms RWF to honor our EU phys comp tryhards?
tropic zephyr
liquid ????
tropic zephyr
yeah, it feels event harder than sylvanas when they struggled to get to 50 and then realized they had to get to 45
imagine hidden phase at 0
torpid fiber
Hidden phase at 0 might actually kill the race LOL
If there was a hidden phase they'd have nerfed boss hp imo
tropic zephyr
echo ?????? 2CR 20/20
torpid fiber
Yeah this is another good echo pull
normal forge
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJB9RPUCbRB/?igsh=NjdsN2Q0NzV4NTVj
Playing outlaw rogue feels like
Instagram
tropic zephyr
red zinc
damn they lived
worldly shale
HELLO
tropic zephyr
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
red zinc
NAW
tropic zephyr
OMMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
worldly shale
FFS
stiff hawk
WTFF
torpid fiber
NO WAY
worldly shale
FOR REAL
vivid vessel
HAHAHA
hardy thicket
NO MAN
worldly shale
INSANE
vivid vessel
AHAHHAHA
worldly shale
AHAHHAHAHAH
craggy kelp
Bruh
cinder relic
HAHAHHAHAHA
vivid vessel
HAHAHAHAHA
thorny zinc
HOOLY
vivid vessel
HAHAHAHAHA
covert kestrel
How long have they been progging?
vast frost
RIP
hardy thicket
that is just soul crushing man
buoyant cosmos
that's the real heartbreaker
buoyant cosmos
they can kill it now
torpid fiber
If they send the brez earlier they get the kill
craggy quiver
Holy shit
tropic zephyr
How long have they been progging?
they're zooted out of their mind
worldly shale
If they send the brez earlier they get the kill
they know that, which hurts more
hardy thicket
they brez earlier and it was high risk of being wasted
torpid fiber
Yeah
cinder relic
How long have they been progging?
They are all on like 350+ pulls
worldly shale
ye
torpid fiber
This feels like it's the hardest fight ever even if ansurek took more pulls
buoyant cosmos
So enrage instant stop fight eh
yeah you get like 4 seconds of damage
red zinc
This feels like it's the hardest fight ever even if ansurek took more pulls
huh
ansurek took 400 pulls?
torpid fiber
Iirc yeah
red zinc
oh ye
torpid fiber
I think this fight feels like it's a lot more backloaded in difficulty than the average fight and that's why the pull count is lower
red zinc
really dont remember that
covert kestrel
They are all on like 350+ pulls
Just meant hours today
red zinc
they were spam wiping p1 there i guess
torpid fiber
I'd love to see a comparison of p3 pull counts to dim vs ansurek
covert kestrel
Stream is live for 20hrs but I cannot imagine that's how long they've been playing...
wary bolt
loaded dice or sleight of hand with only 2pc s3 tier? does it even matter?
torpid fiber
They're at like 17h
wary bolt
i see one build with it, one with the other
buoyant cosmos
That wall is nuts
red zinc
and this is dimmy
buoyant cosmos
What happened with Ansurek?
torpid fiber
That wall is nuts
That's the intermission presumably
buoyant cosmos
I didn't play S1
cinder relic
She was hard
lime lake
both guilds are just a single pull away, echo does feel a bit more locked in atm though
red zinc
i might need to log in man this is taking too long
torpid fiber
Liquid are just doing a p3 practice pull
jovial basalt
lime lake
yeah this is just for practice
red zinc
is perfecto only that high up from the stellar orbs or nah
vast frost
would be kinda lame for liquid to win now
red zinc
no it wouldnt
craggy kelp
i know that sleep gonna hit once theyre done
torpid fiber
echo back in p3
stiff hawk
is perfecto only that high up from the stellar orbs or nah
Yes
vast frost
sleep deprived gaming win would be fun
tropic zephyr
red zinc
JUICER DOOSER MAGOOSER
torpid fiber
The craziest part of p3 is how consistent they are at the start of it
This might be the kill
torpid fiber
Hmm
red zinc
GUH
craggy kelp
torpid fiber
NO WAY
red zinc
again is crazy
covert kestrel
This is insane
cinder relic
tropic zephyr
0,3 into 0,6
lime lake
dude
tropic zephyr
perfecto punching air rn
lime lake
imagine wiping twice sub 1% on a boss this hard
tropic zephyr
he's mad at himself hard
lime lake
at fucking 2 am
red zinc
they are never sleeping
lime lake
thats soul crushing
torpid fiber
Echo are second winding 100%
tight kernel
Echo win
craggy quiver
If they had a otl rogue boss woulda have died 🙂
torpid fiber
Echo win if they can keep going
tight kernel
GG EU 
unkempt cypress
Hope they win tbh
torpid fiber
They're not racing liquid rn they're racing the clock
unkempt cypress
Well hope method wins but i doubt that's happening
torpid fiber
Nah fuck method
inland acorn
Nah, this boss is dying
Either liquid or echo is killing it
Just a question which one will hit perfect 10 min pull
vagrant saddle
torpid fiber
Liquid playing really stressed
craggy kelp
echo kill this pull
unkempt cypress
Anytime I've ever grouped with liquid they've been dicks
craggy kelp
im ross told me from future
worldly shale
They're up for like 17h now no?
now imagine doing that and wiping at 0.3%
inland acorn
Mental fatigue must be insane
craggy kelp
unkempt cypress
Ppl from liquid i should say
torpid fiber
I think the mental fatigue is second winded away rn
inland acorn
You might feel awake
torpid fiber
But they only have like 3 more pulls before it comes back
inland acorn
But your body is defo not feeling great
tight kernel
NOW, if adrenaline wears off. Its like us, we afk no dmg rip
torpid fiber
Yeah
tight kernel
atm Echo doing everythin to maintain AR buff 
torpid fiber
And you can't keep adr up forever irl
inland acorn
You can
tight kernel
yeah they runnin out of cds
inland acorn
If you just live very short time
stiff hawk
I mean either way, if they go to sleep its deadge
tight kernel
Yeah they cant sleep I dont think
worldly shale
atm Echo doing everythin to maintain AR buff <:KEK:739953921895694417>
Me when first boss on dawn
inland acorn
No shot echo goes to sleep
Unless liquid kills
Then they might consider it
But they'll be up late, so method will have upper hand
stiff hawk
Nah if they start doing a lot of msitakes they have to sleep
inland acorn
and mega tilted
tepid skiff
Anytime I've ever grouped with liquid they've been dicks
NAME EM
tight kernel
so ye Echo fighting time. Once ADR wears off, cooked.
tepid skiff
nahnahnah it cant be
i type to everyone never ignore and tip well
goodhuman
cant be
inland acorn
Nah if they start doing a lot of msitakes they have to sleep
I mean at some point, they would need to face reality, that they just can't keep going
But idk if their pride would allow them to just go to sleep
tepid skiff
they got too much adrenaline goin thru em
inland acorn
When Liquid is so close to kill too
tepid skiff
for at least 30 more mins
tight kernel
I think 4am is the break point
So prob 2 more hours
Last tier didnt they stay up till like 5
inland acorn
Like you might say you're going to sleep
tight kernel
or somethin
red zinc
james drowned my fish 
tight kernel
So echo still got a couple hours
before AR buff falls
Why I go to assa or sub channel and they are boring
zzz outlaw bis
red zinc
liquid 
torpid fiber
How am I supposed to take a shower today when I could miss world first
stiff hawk
How am i supposed to go to sleep
torpid fiber
Oof
torpid fiber
Noooo
unkempt cypress
NAME EM
COUPLE XPACS AGO AND IN DF HANDFUL OF LIQUID MEMBERS HAD A HEROIC PUG WITH RANDOM ASS NAMES WOULDNT REMEMBER. Two of the most toxic raids I've been in. Their ego was kind of cringe tbh.
desert tendon
tepid skiff
COUPLE XPACS AGO AND IN DF HANDFUL OF LIQUID MEMBERS HAD A HEROIC PUG WITH RANDO...
oh that had to be the monday night raid
random stirrup
COUPLE XPACS AGO AND IN DF HANDFUL OF LIQUID MEMBERS HAD A HEROIC PUG WITH RANDO...
Every liquid member I’ve played with has been nice
late swallow
imagine how big the pile of baby wipes in the corner is
craggy kelp
i remember a tft game and james said he wouldnt get me in for a mugzee kill fr
stiff hawk
Meeres really tired
late swallow
oh that had to be the monday night raid
fr how crazy do the gaming command rooms during RWF smell
late swallow
when the air around bro is shimmering
tight kernel
Echo ADR is about to drop. they are out of vanish
keen belfry
farts all over echo
late swallow
you havent seen the whole show yet on tiktok?
i've probably seen a 1/4 of it on youtube shorts
craggy kelp
real
copper radish
.12% wipe is brutal
craggy kelp
tight kernel
LIQUID
craggy kelp
HOLD
craggy kelp
ITS DEAd
vivid vessel
HAHA
torpid fiber
THEY DID IT
stiff hawk
Joever
vivid vessel
EZ
worldly shale
Insane
tropic zephyr
NOOOOOOOOOOO
tight kernel
LETS GO
hollow temple
tropic zephyr
UNFAAIIIRRRRR
late swallow
worldly shale
Imagine how echo feels
craggy kelp
.28
tepid skiff
B3B
torpid fiber
That was unreal
craggy barn
LFG
covert kestrel
tropic zephyr
True
late swallow
@proven ocean tune in
tight kernel
@proven ocean @proven ocean @proven ocean @proven ocean GG
tropic zephyr
Best race ever
white marten
LESSGOOOOOOOOOOO
stiff hawk
Really sadge for Echo
covert kestrel
NIGHT NIGHT EUROS
white marten
LIQUID ON TOPPP
late swallow
Gingi’s wife is driving to her sister’s
unkempt cypress
oh that had to be the monday night raid
not hating, i recognize how good they all are, but also after watching max call for a couple of them to leave a key mid run (the season atal returned) so they could be brought in then chuckling about it kind of left a bad taste.
ashen void
tepid skiff
im an biased, objective 3rd party viewer
torpid fiber
Consistency is for losers
torpid fiber
Tbf I think Echo get this race in most adjacent timelines
vivid vessel
ye
its prolly one of the first time
it feels a bit weird
cause of the time thing
inland acorn
idk
torpid fiber
Yeah the time thing is awkward now idk
inland acorn
I think they fucked around too much during the day
inland acorn
Now can we like
Optimize this raid, so us normal people, with normal pcs
Can play this boss on +30 fps
torpid fiber
This boss is getting NUKED by nerfs
Dps from raid buff will help a lot but I think they're going to have to nuke p3
inland acorn
Because idk what they did, but
When adds spawn on platforms in P2
It just nukes everyones frames
torpid fiber
I suspect p1/2 are probably going to be actually able to be fairly low changes, but p3 is clearly so mechanically difficult so far into the fight that they're going to have to nerf it
torpid fiber
probably nerf how small the room gets
inland acorn
Yes
They always nerf bosses
So normal people can actually kill it
Before next expansion
torpid fiber
Yeah I think looking at it p1/2 might not need giga nerfs bc of how much gear matters there, but p3 1000% needs a nukr
inland acorn
You can roll in 720 ivll whole raid
And can guarantee you most CE guilds are not killing this
torpid fiber
It's going to be sizes of stuff I think
like maybe make stars smaller as well or smth
willow portal
can someone tell me how sub and assa play compared to outlaw?
inland acorn
You pop cds do big dam
And then afk for 1.5min
Because you hit so little, might as well be a healer
torpid fiber
I'm ngl I thought dimensius was going to be a let down after I played the fight on normal myself
if this fight had been like 10% worse tuned it would've been a stinker ngl
desert tendon
is james really that based 
to test
hey James what ya think of outlaw this season? 
lofty sand
he said on his dc that assa just better
torpid fiber
I'm ngl I thought dimensius was going to be a let down after I played the fight ...
Like imagine if they just didn't need to do all this insane dps optimisation, 10% less overall fight hp is so much less overall damage needed it'd just fall over
desert tendon
not the question!
oh
noone mentionned it
i asked you guys to @me when they kill
wtf
inland acorn
@desert tendon liquid killed
covert kestrel
can someone tell me how sub and assa play compared to outlaw?
Sub is like outlaw but only for 20s every 1.5mins. Otherwise it's snooze. Assa is just boring feral
torpid fiber
@desert tendon dimensius died
covert kestrel
And by like outlaw I mean apm type vibe. But it's a very strict order for cd windows
covert kestrel
@desert tendon I made pizza from scratch tn
inland acorn
And by like outlaw I mean apm type vibe. But it's a very strict order for cd win...
is it ?
They don't have 0.8 gcd
Just couple off-gcds in cd window
inland acorn
I think echo kinda trolled during day
inland acorn
Fucked around too much
desert tendon
That s my man
inland acorn
with stupid deaths
desert tendon
@proven ocean
inland acorn
Prolly wasted like 2h
tropic zephyr
Someone has the perfecto clip ?
vivid vessel
whcih one
desert tendon
the one where he is better than zac
tropic zephyr
With black hole
torpid fiber
Actually what an unreal race ngl
tropic zephyr
He gets yeeted go Black hole on the 0.6 pull
buoyant cosmos
Bad rolls will make you question life choices
desert tendon
bad rolls i guess
buoyant cosmos
I've seen enough, rogue nerfs inc
inland acorn
Playing 1fth
Is already making me question my life choices
Not rolling BS
Makes me actually want to alt f4
tropic zephyr
Fishing for that BS makes me lose my mind
buoyant cosmos
Real
torpid fiber
I feel like 1fth would be fine if we didn't play 2x DS
But as long as we play 2x ds 1fth feels kinda ass
torpid fiber
Game
desert tendon
echo is still playing
inland acorn
desert tendon
who told me they went to bed
torpid fiber
I kinda hope sub is the best rogue M+ spec this tier instead of sin bc it'd be a change
desert tendon
imma find you and do bad things
inland acorn
Idk if sub beats sin in m+
tepid skiff
he said on his dc that assa just better
did i say that
i honestly dont remember saying that
i might have but i think what i do remember saying is that sin does no single target
i remember saying that
inland acorn
Trickster ST is cheeks
torpid fiber
if u ask zac he'll tell u outlaw does 0 st
desert tendon
sin heavily dependants on funnels
outlaw in st imo is correct at most
not even decent
fkken m+ talents
torpid fiber
If fatebound wasn't cringe there's a world where we could play it in keys and give up a bunch of aoe for prio
inland acorn
torpid fiber
Why is fatebound cringe it's so dumb
tropic zephyr
Yeah that sucks that it's designed to be pure ST
torpid fiber
Yeah
torpid fiber
does any other spec have this issue? Not in a "woe is me" way but I want to know who else to complain for when I complain in reddit comments
inland acorn
I was trying deathless taz with DH friend
cinder relic
does any other spec have this issue? Not in a "woe is me" way but I want to know...
Ret paladin
torpid fiber
Ret paladin
ah fuck
inland acorn
Ok guess i'm cooked as FB
cinder relic
Theres a few
I can't recall all of them
But ret is one of them with a near identical issue when it comes to empyrian hammers
torpid fiber
Real talk no spec should have a non-optional thing that causes them to lose st dps when any other enemies are nearby
Like if fb only lost ST when bf was up at least you could pretend it had boss damage
fathom bramble
we complained when it was that and got monkey pawed into this I think
torpid fiber
Yeah lmao
fathom bramble
if anything it should do more damage in aoe to compensate for BF mechanics idk
torpid fiber
It's fine, next tier we'll get an apex talent that turns pistol shot into coin shot that shoots a lucky coin at a random target
fathom bramble
Fatebound just gets triple punished in aoe/cleave for no reason
inland acorn
It's fine, next tier we'll get an apex talent that turns pistol shot into coin s...
don't
give them ideas
It might actually happen
Stop
wintry solar
Our apex talent will enhance some random talent in the middle of our tree
desert tendon
Our apex talent will enhance some random talent in the middle of our tree
i will enhance you
fathom bramble
apparently apex talents are like 1/3rd as interesting as I was hoping so
wintry solar
Daww
torpid fiber
I don't think fatebound runs on code, it's a sentient demon the government has forced blizzard to imprison inside the wow code to prevent it corrupting the world.
This is why fatebound won't be changed.
fathom bramble
I kind of hope they are so bad we just put the points into something on the main tree
cinder relic
Nah apex talents are like, "new baseline"
There isn't any choice
Only choices added are the class trees
fathom bramble
but you can talent out of them
cinder relic
Which for rogue, honestly, is big
fathom bramble
instead of taking the last 3 apex talents you could take take em and ho on a kir build
inland acorn
So now they make
frail veldt
Nah apex talents are like, "new baseline"
so its just a rework we have to earn as we level
inland acorn
Apex talent
fathom bramble
and play the true build
wintry solar
Why new KS hits random target
People asked for a move in a different game and weren't specific enough so blizz being the magic genie they are gave us that KS.
cinder relic
so its just a rework we have to earn as we level
What
It's talents
THat u just get
It's the new baseline of the spec
cinder relic
For apex? No
fathom bramble
yes
frail veldt
okay
cinder relic
U get to choose while u level
fathom bramble
you can not spec into them and put the points in the base tree
frail veldt
so like I said its just a rework you earn as you level
once youre max level
its just playing the reworked version of the spec
cinder relic
What
wintry solar
I don't get it
cinder relic
It's like saying leveling in TWW was "earning a rework as you level"
inland acorn
I'm not sure if I'm high, or Mewo is high
cinder relic
Like it's just dumb framing idgi
frail veldt
It's like saying leveling in TWW was "earning a rework as you level"
well no cuz hero talents have choices
and you choose which hero talent you are taking
between the two trees
wintry solar
There's only one apex talent
frail veldt
yeah
cinder relic
Yes but the actual travel nodes theres no choices
frail veldt
yes those are pointless
fathom bramble
there are 4 apex talents with the 1st and last having most of the power according to that one interview
so maybe you only take the first
or you go all 4
cinder relic
Well the point of talents is that it makes leveling more enjoyable
frail veldt
once youre max level theyre irrelevant which is why you can minimize your hero talents to just the choice nodes
frail veldt
Well the point of talents is that it makes leveling more enjoyable
sure yeah thast fine I understand progression
fathom bramble
they are past a final gate at the bottom of the tree, but you do not need to spec into them and can use the points however you would like
cinder relic
THat was like, half the reason they changed talents to begin with
frail veldt
but once youre max level that progression is irrelevant right?
fathom bramble
this is distinctly different from hero talents
frail veldt
they are past a final gate at the bottom of the tree, but you do not need to spe...
AH okay thats different
very different
wintry solar
No
cinder relic
frail veldt
you can ignore them if you want and choose regular talents in the spec tree
wintry solar
Yes
cinder relic
NO
fathom bramble
I'm like 86% sure they said so
frail veldt
are they just baseline
wintry solar
Key word is IF YOU WANT TO
frail veldt
or are they new nodes
fathom bramble
but all the info is in demon form and I can't find it
frail veldt
can you allocate the points elsewhere
wintry solar
Yes
cinder relic
You get 3 class talents that you can spend in your class tree (Huge for rogue)
You get 3 more hero talent passives
You get 4 APEX talent points, for the apex section of your talent tree
frail veldt
cuz if you cant its just effectively unlocking a passive when you hit X level
wintry solar
You get 3 class talents that you can spend in your class tree (Huge for rogue)
Y...
Now say the rest
cinder relic
whats the rest
fathom bramble
frail veldt
You get 3 class talents that you can spend in your class tree (Huge for rogue)
Y...
ah okay but you get all 4 nodes in the apex talent tree
wintry solar
And in the dev panel today
cinder relic
Oh what the fuck
frail veldt
iiiinteresting
cinder relic
I would assume tuning would just always make you put the nodes in there either way
wintry solar
I would assume tuning would just always make you put the nodes in there either w...
Yeah they implied that's what would happen but there will probably be outliers
frail veldt
so its just like little rework/improvement to the spec you unlock as you level
it doesnt add depth to your build options at max level in any way
I see
cinder relic
Why are you calling it a rework
inland acorn
Apex talent to actually make KS hit mob you're targeting 
cinder relic
That's not a rework thats a fucking talent point
wintry solar
I wouldn't call that a rework
fathom bramble
rework implies something much more extensive to most other people though
frail veldt
reworks are like improvements made to a spec
inland acorn
Isn't rework taking existing shit and changing it
frail veldt
ah I guess im not saying like "FULL" rework
just like theyr eimproving a spec
but you unlock the improvement
as you level
fathom bramble
these talents might 'rework' 1 single skill I guess
wintry solar
You mean like, a revamp?
cinder relic
A rework is when a dev changes the spec
fathom bramble
from a certain point of view
cinder relic
Not when u earn a talent point
frail veldt
its not actual depth to the tree in any choice way
fathom bramble
unless you drop it for PC
frail veldt
its just added features/power to a spec like how an ability gets strong as you level
frail veldt
unless you drop it for PC
yes that part makes it interesting
you can opt out
could be cool
I Hope they arent too opo
op*
wintry solar
Ho/Kir inc
fathom bramble
I hope they are cool and mandatory
cinder relic
true
fathom bramble
or uncool and undertuned so I can take something else
inland acorn
Think they'll be defo strong by default, just to make people interested in playing them
frail veldt
I hope they are cool and mandatory
yeah Im just acknowledging if they are cool and mandatory its just more for show that theyre talents than it is practical
like theyre just adding improvements to the spec and calling them "talents" but they could easily just be passives you ulock in your spell book as you level
same same right
cuz talents to me means optional
generally
fathom bramble
yeah
frail veldt
talents are the players agency over how their spec plays
fathom bramble
it's like wod passives
frail veldt
these arent that(if theyre super OP)
fathom bramble
IF blizz tunes it such that you always take them
which is fine, but not really like a real talent
frail veldt
yeah its not a bad thing
Im just acknowledging that they arent really talents if theyre just 1000% mandatory
liek the talents at the base of our tree arent really talents
theyre just required point sinks
fathom bramble
imagine not taking these 3
inland acorn
Calling it now, we're either getting:
KS hits mob you're targeting
KS Becomse actual frontal aoe
fathom bramble
not that you can even skip AR or opp
frail veldt
imagine not taking these 3
exactly
is adrenaline rush really a talent...
not really lol
its gona feel really insulting if one of our apex talents is something like "adrenaline rush now grants maximum gcd reduction regardless of haste"
could you imagine haha
fathom bramble
well for AR and opp since it is mandatory to take them to get further in the tree they are very much not talents
frail veldt
well for AR and opp since it is mandatory to take them to get further in the tre...
yeah theyre entirely unavoidable
red zinc
its gona feel really insulting if one of our apex talents is something like "adr...
if they do any work on outlaw at all haste tax is gone
like
torpid fiber
I think new talent tree has to have those baseline things be talents tbf
red zinc
there is literally zero indication of haste tax in the game
inland acorn
if they do any work on outlaw at all haste tax is gone
nah
frail veldt
idk maaaan
fathom bramble
and then 30% energy is just so good you can't make any other choice
inland acorn
We're getting mastery tax
red zinc
its impossible to know the mechanic even exists without going on wowhead
literally
no passive nothing
frail veldt
there is literally zero indication of haste tax in the game
wdym
its in the adr tooltip isnt it?
red zinc
no
fathom bramble
no
torpid fiber
Did you not know this
fathom bramble
it also isn't reflected on your GCD stat if you have a stat addon to see it
torpid fiber
LMAO
frail veldt
GHAKJHA LKJHLWKJHE
fathom bramble
since it's GCD reduction only for certain skills
late swallow
Mystery haste tax
vivid vessel
I mean the GCD thing isn't on the tooltip either
late swallow
inland acorn
torpid fiber
shoutouts crimson vial
fathom bramble
GCD thing also got removed from the tooltip in general in legion
frail veldt
the 5 heads really worked hard on this one
vivid vessel
Like attack speed
fathom bramble
it use to be there and they just took it out for no reason
torpid fiber
Yeah adr has literally never mentioned it reduces gcd since I started playing
vivid vessel
Is the only thing is mention so
fathom bramble
when that GCD reduction is the strongest part of AR
torpid fiber
real talk why isn't it a generic gcd reduction what's the abuse case
fathom bramble
good question actually
it has always effected most/all of our combat/outlaw skills
outside of a few bugged ones
torpid fiber
The only thing the whitelist does is introduce bugs
late swallow
who up reducing they gcd rn
wintry solar
The apex talent just puts the rtb buffs in the tooltip
frail veldt
real talk why isn't it a generic gcd reduction what's the abuse case
like with no cap?
frail veldt
honestly game gets pretty fucking buggy when gcd is too low
torpid fiber
like with no cap?
No as in why does it have the whitelist
vivid vessel
Why doesn't it just reduce your GCD
frail veldt
No as in why does it have the whitelist
whats not on the list
fathom bramble
I think I'm about to do something very stupid on the DH boss @vivid vessel
vivid vessel
Instead of random whitelisted spells
late swallow
@gaunt phoenix listening to kelela thinking about you rn
frail veldt
bad coding probably
fathom bramble
yeah
vivid vessel
Was pretty good
fathom bramble
big outlaw dam
vivid vessel
Ye
torpid fiber
I can't think of any abuse case and the way it is rn is also why crimson vial is how it is
vivid vessel
let me check how much dam exile did
frail veldt
I can't think of any abuse case and the way it is rn is also why crimson vial is...
oh is vial not on there
never pressing that again
torpid fiber
Vial is on there but it's also hasted
vivid vessel
torpid fiber
So it gets haste gcd reduction and then adr flat gcd reduction
It's like a 0.4s gcd in adr
fathom bramble
nice
late swallow
i mean i have more gear tho
guide when?
honest ledge
anybody knows how to get The dreadblades some says do lair some sasy need to have artifact level whats the reall idea of getting it?
exotic gale
orderhall quests and pick dreadblades after like 3 quests
fathom bramble
yeah
fathom bramble
in like 7 pulls
gaunt phoenix
I'm not sure it's even working
nice