outlaw

[timid idol]

other classes have the niche of being absolutely horrible

its a cool trade off

[vivid vessel]

but sin has to play fatebound

fatebound

FATEBOUND

[vapid blaze]

yeah

caustic might not reach in p1 aswell idk

[teal wing]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[civic zephyr]

can someone help me with coup de grace please so i understand better? So we press it for stacks of flawless form, i assume thats the main reason? And the reason why we press it at low CP is to get the most out of flawless form stacks...? am i missing anything else? - also why do we coup de grace > opportunity > coup de grace, and not coup de grace > ss > coup de grace?

[stiff glade]

SS can proc unseen blade, so if you press it before you consume the second coup you can waste an unseen blade

So you don't wanna SS ever if you have coup ready

[civic zephyr]

ok, so i dont have opportunity proc, i just cast dispatch right away?

[stiff glade]

Yeah, if you can't build with anything else it's better to just send coup on low CP

[civic zephyr]

how often do you spend coup on high cp out of curiosity

[stiff glade]

I don't know what % of them you get to send at normal finisher CP, but you definitely end up sending them on low here and there. Doesn't feel good to do, but the APL knows best

[civic zephyr]

there isnt a video guide on this by chance is there?

[stiff glade]

But you get a decent amount of CDR from a low CP coup as well, so you often get BF or something off CD between the first and second, which lets you build with BF before the second one

[stiff glade]

Not really. The faq is where it's all at

[civic zephyr]

ok ty - so coup > adr > coup , or coup > BF > coup can be ideal

[stiff glade]

Yeah, you basically follow your normal builder rotation, but never SS with coup. If you have nothing else, send on low. It feels a bit counter intuitive, but just trust that it's good and you're golden

[civic zephyr]

ayee ok tyty

[strong halo]

Even if you have max stats? I’ve done it where SS gives full combo

[stiff glade]

Yes, you are still wasting a potential UB stack, so you shouldn't SS while you can't build UB

[rotund zodiac]

If you ss, you waste UB stack

[strong halo]

Ohhhhhhhhh

Ty for info

[mighty pivot]

now imagine if EB didn't cap at 4

[fluid iron]

successful sandbaggin ong

[vivid vessel]

you guys even convinced guy

crazy work

not me tho !

I always knew

[cedar kernel]

WE ARE STUCKED AT 13

We havent found a stable shammy

[magic shuttle]

Sub season!

[cedar kernel]

so its more like healer has very huge pressure when we are doing zacs route

[fluid iron]

tbf ive accurately guessed specs on bosses so far

[random stirrup]

there are a decent amount of sub otps convinced it’s just bad always

[fluid iron]

apart from dimensius

[magic shuttle]

Assa is better one like one harder boss right?

Fract

[random stirrup]

Fract is not hard

[fluid iron]

if FB assa didn't lose dmg from multiple targets you would probably play it on dimensiues

[random stirrup]

Sub is just better on all the hard ones

[magic shuttle]

But loomithar and first boss are not that relevant ig

But yeah fatebound punishing for multitarget is quite the hamstring

[random stirrup]

idk feel like the style where you fly land and pop cds on a full hp mob kind of cooks assa a bit

[fluid iron]

nah

you need the adds to spawn anyway before you rip cds

[random stirrup]

it’s still not in execute tho is it

[fluid iron]

assa just doesent do that well when fb gets cucked

it doesent need to be

Assa burst almost as hard as sub does

so if it did lets say 90% of what the sub did cleave wise in p2

you would for sure play it for p3

[magic shuttle]

I wonder if sub will start appearing worse as the tier goes on like it did in undermine tho

[vivid vessel]

ye

but thats the same as outlaw

if outlaw didnt have to play fb

it would have potential on some more bosses

[fluid iron]

on araz yes, not sure anything changes on last two

[vivid vessel]

(well blizz decided to add amp damage phase to every boss so maybe not but)

[magic shuttle]

I wonder if you can get away with fb on soul hunters instead of trickster

[vivid vessel]

why

oh ye ass does more st

kinda

forgot about that

cause sub look so good

i forgot it did bad st

kekw

[fluid iron]

sub single target isnt great

it just hard carries p2

[vivid vessel]

dont think assa can get its cds off in the damage amp tho

sub can no ?

in p3

the amp is like 15s

[fluid iron]

you can quick ramp

[tight kernel]

Dude I took monksea route for eco and was uber confused cause he just pulled the whole map

[vivid vessel]

yeee but

[tight kernel]

Ever since I don’t do Zac routes

[vivid vessel]

not really

[vivid vessel]

kekw

what

[tight kernel]

I’ll link it

[random stirrup]

15s amp with no prep time isn’t super fun for either

[tight kernel]

It was like your 15 eco

MDT looked fucked

[fluid iron]

blades 16, vs dm 16

just about prepping right

if you go into p3 with cps rdy

[vivid vessel]

we pulled the big miniboss accidentaly

in our eco 16

worked tho

17*

[random stirrup]

15s but then you probably want to have rup up for sub so you flag rupture

[vivid vessel]

ye but dm most damage is at the end of it

and you kinda still need rupt up

soo

while sub could just flag > sec tech and fit the second set tech in

[cedar kernel]

idk like our druid is very easy to get burst dmg then gg

but i think its not his problem

[vivid vessel]

sin will lose most of its big damage

from the end of dm

https://threechest.io?id=hj5arrsfhyp @tight kernel

this is our actual route

pack 14 on boss, then chain pack 15 later

[random stirrup]

I do think assa wins in p3 but ya the others are a bit cooked

[vivid vessel]

cc the lil creeper so he comes later

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel Gratz on myth weapon

[vivid vessel]

y

ez

[strong halo]

Tbh I feel like half the keys favor outlaw

[vivid vessel]

what

[strong halo]

Streets, dawnbreaker and gambit aren’t great for Assas

Unless you spend 10 mins on bosses

[vivid vessel]

street is terrible for outalw

dawn isnt insane for outaw

gambit ??

[strong halo]

But it’s bad for Assas too

[vivid vessel]

ok and its worse for outlaw

just play sub

[strong halo]

1st part of gambit is Assas heaven

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is litteraly the worse rogue spec in every key

[strong halo]

And then it’s cringe

10 min boss fights

[vivid vessel]

ok look

i think

something you dont know

is that

outlaw

does the same st

as assa

so

[strong halo]

No shot in m+ build

We’re not good

I agree

[tight kernel]

It was this route https://keystone.guru/route/eco-dome-al-dani/VVOsa8m/eco-dome-aldani/1

[strong halo]

But Assas st m+ build is trash

[tight kernel]

I looked at that was just was like wtf did they pull

[random stirrup]

I think people are maybe trolling assa st a bit

I had a key last week still using Lily where I did 3.7

[vivid vessel]

ye like every season bro

[random stirrup]

It’s not great but it’s not trash

[strong halo]

It’s legit one the worst st m+ spec rn

[random stirrup]

on swamp guy pressing feint a lot

[tight kernel]

Ty will try this got a 16 eco to do today

[strong halo]

Ok but speaker is trash

What’s a good boss

[strong halo]

You get a mini reset in between so fucks outlaw and helps Assas

Oh 3rd boss flood

[strong halo]

He had 4 set there and you didn’t tho no?

[spark patio]

do we use poisons as outlaw? 😄

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

[spark patio]

instant and atrophic?

[vivid vessel]

ye true on that flood i didnt

i will have to play with him agian

[torpid fiber]

Free damage, use instant poison + your preferred non-lethal

[tight kernel]

So me beating my assa in momma pull is cooked?

[vivid vessel]

I mean our new 4set idk if it was even a gain on st in m+

till you get ilvl

[late swallow]

How come @proven ocean is doing so much more damage?

[torpid fiber]

Atrophic is standard but numbing is probably better in low keys tbh

[vivid vessel]

this i had 4set tho

[strong halo]

Dawnbreaker is weird because fights are broken in two and Assas gets 2x cooldowns for free while outlaw losses bffs tho so idk

[tight kernel]

Funnel

[torpid fiber]

(Logic here being that you're not dying to aoe shit in low keys unless healer is trash, so 10% less tank white swing damage and easier kicks is an advantage)

[tight kernel]

I bet Zac cancelaura bf

[vivid vessel]

ok well

you mentionned dawn

[strong halo]

But yeah I guess dawn sucks for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

being a bad dungeon

[tight kernel]

So no bf dmg

[vivid vessel]

cause st

bosses

[late swallow]

Thanks for the explanation man I literally had no idea

[vivid vessel]

but also like

every boss in the game in m+

[strong halo]

Yeah I was wrong it sucks for outlaw more

[vivid vessel]

you pull trash on

so

like

assa being bad in st

is just fake

at worse its slightly worse than outlaw

but then you also pull mobs on bosses if you want and gg

[strong halo]

Yeah that’s fair I would agree with that

[tight kernel]

I mean you asked

[still matrix]

In general what is KS damage like overall in a key? Atm

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel is there any key you thing outlaw is better spec

[vivid vessel]

brother

outlaw is worse than it was in s1

and sub and assa are legit broken this tier

what do you want me to answer to that

outlaw does 0 st

0 prio

0 aope

is target capped

no burst

??

no

[thorn river]

so good to see that @vivid vessel is so positive 😄

[tight kernel]

Play sub gg free title

[snow meadow]

Hard to be positive when you have no upside xD

[strong halo]

Idk how to play sub

Shit seems hard

[tight kernel]

Guys they reworked KS
But they didn’t let us hit our target with KS

[fluid iron]

its really not

hard

[strong halo]

Assas is so easy it’s boring

[tight kernel]

Bro you only lock in once every 1.5m as sub. Not hard

[strong halo]

I haven’t tried sub that much maybe 10 mins on a dummy

[snow meadow]

I just hope they do a proper rework when midnight releases

[vivid vessel]

sub might be one of the easiest spec in the game once ytou understand how it works idk

[inland acorn]

Too busy with new dh spec

[vivid vessel]

even assa is harder in keys

[inland acorn]

To rework some shitter rogue spec

[magic shuttle]

Sub is chill and it's great

[strong halo]

Really? Damn I’ll practice more

I thought Assas was easiest

Dot dot dot splatter dot dot dot

[fluid iron]

the way i view it is that most of sub's difficulty comes from prep outside of actual execution (mostly speaking about raid here)

[magic shuttle]

Fits the spec theme

[fluid iron]

you can quite literally write down every single dance usage on a fight

[strong halo]

I just feel like if I send cds on wrong pull as sub I’m cooked

[magic shuttle]

Just gotta practice th cd execution a bit but then it's smooth sailing

[fluid iron]

its a 90sec cd it will be up like every other pack

[random stirrup]

Assa is way harder in keys than sub

[jolly geyser]

doing a m+ with the big dmg classes feel bad

"carried" ig

and im not some zac gamer ofc,but still

[thorn river]

we start with GS instead of AR right on fatebound

[torpid fiber]

You use the macro iirc

#outlaw message

At the bottom of this post

I got 2p today so I guess I'll have to set up the macro

[jolly geyser]

I like the old tier better

[thorn river]

ah yeh the macro ofc

[kindred bison]

hello, so i am LOVING outlaw, but im hyavinbg a hrd time getting the rotation down, anyone have any tips?

also im fatebound hero talent

[thorn river]

get on adderall or cocaine

[kindred bison]

been on adderal and i hated it sooooooooooooooo

[willow portal]

if i vendor my 704 crafted ring and restore it, it probably wont count as a new 704 ring right?

[inland acorn]

fatebound is pure ST hero talent

[kindred bison]

ST?

[inland acorn]

single target

mostly for raid

In M+ you should be playing trickster

[kindred bison]

oh i plan on doing the raid first, im using it for world epxloration

[inland acorn]

Outlaw sucks in open world

[kindred bison]

but between trickster and fatebound they really arent that different in terms of rotation

[inland acorn]

They kinda are

Fatebound has slightly different rule for vanishing

[kindred bison]

like how? i dont see ability dfifferences besdies the debuff trickster gives

[inland acorn]

Trickster has some more rules about coup de grace

[kindred bison]

please elaborate

[inland acorn]

For example, fatebound doesn't vanish unless it has RP buff up

or at risk of loosing adrenaline

Trickster for example doesn't care about it, but instead looks if it has guaranteed coup de grace

If so, it delays vanish to use coup

[kindred bison]

ok, what are the benefits to using vanish?

all i see is ambush

[inland acorn]

Vanish is like main damage window for outlaw

[kindred bison]

sorry, i am very new to rogue

[inland acorn]

We use it to spam Between the Eyes

With talent called crackshot

[kindred bison]

oh my goish ive been playing outlaw wrong

[inland acorn]

It also freezes adrenaline duration

[willow portal]

@kindred bison you might benefit from reading the faq channel for outlaw #outlaw-faq

[kindred bison]

iots mroe fun to talk to people about it though

[inland acorn]

Ye highly recommend reading faq

There's a lot to digest

[willow portal]

the faq has lots of good structered info

[inland acorn]

if you're just learning outlaw

[kindred bison]

what else bebefits from Vanosh?

[inland acorn]

vanish freezes your adrenaline, for duration of subterfuge (5s buff that lets you use abilities outside of stealth)

Which extends your adrenaline uptime a lot

[kindred bison]

oh, i see

also for raiding shoudl this be popped with lust?

[inland acorn]

No

As outlaw you don't really care about lust

same with Pi

[kindred bison]

https://tenor.com/view/david-martinez-mag-dump-blick-david-blicktinez-cyberpunk-gif-15887120100692089819

sorry

[thorn river]

we dont realy have cooldowns

[inland acorn]

Yes

[torpid fiber]

^ just send shit

[inland acorn]

Outlaw is basically

Send shit on CD

[kindred bison]

ok ok

[inland acorn]

so you cycle through them faster with your cooldown reduction

[kindred bison]

but what shoudl i have on my action bar in stealth

[inland acorn]

Depends on build you play

[torpid fiber]

Same as normal bar imo

[inland acorn]

We have 2 builds

One that plays with Ambush called HO

[kindred bison]

im assuming this looks bad to everyone

[inland acorn]

and one that never presses ambush called KiR

[vivid vessel]

duplicate your stealth bar and normal bar

please do not use a diff stealth bar

[kindred bison]

should i keep ambush or no?

[inland acorn]

Depends on build you're playing

[vivid vessel]

yes if you play ho, you can replace ss by ambush in stelath

thats the only change

[elder phoenix]

I use a diff stealth bar

[kindred bison]

ok i am sorry idotn get what HO is

[vivid vessel]

ok and ?

you are cooked moot

[inland acorn]

Hidden opportunity

It's talent that we refer to as build

you can check #outlaw-faq builds

[kindred bison]

oh yeah i dont use that

[inland acorn]

🤣

Really read through #outlaw-faq as much as we can answer questions

We could spend 3 hours here explaining to you, what is already in faq

And you probably would still need to refer to it 🙂

[kindred bison]

look, i jsut suck at reading alright, i cant pay attention to words for crap

i know its pathetic but i jsut wander way too much to absorb anything

[inland acorn]

Then put it in some chatgpt, or even translator

And make it read out 🙂

I don't think we have any outlaw guides in video format

If only Zac made one

[thorn river]

he is to buisy glacing over tomelvis

[kindred bison]

but for real, thank you all for helping

i laops have a max level weaponsmith if anyone needs anything crafted

as a thank you, no charge

[torpid fiber]

You use killing spree over vanish if both are off cd btw as an important thing

[kindred bison]

killing spree take prioprity

and i assume dont cast it if im low oon combo points

[timber maple]

is outlaw easier than assas?

[torpid fiber]

finish at 6+ outside of stealth and 5+ in stealth, while in stealth never finish with anything other than bte

[inland acorn]

Some find it easier, some find it harder

[cinder relic]

In st no

In aoe yes

[inland acorn]

I think a lot of people find outlaw hard, due to pacing it requires (most people are not used to it) and reacting to different procs, judging what to use when.
It's also not very forgiving spec when you mess up or lose uptime

[dense bolt]

do i use the fatebound AR macro in dungeons aswell

or only on raid fights

[inland acorn]

Its FB only thing for coins

[torpid fiber]

You don't run fb in keys afaik

[dense bolt]

isnt it kinda close

[torpid fiber]

If you did you'd probably use it though

[vivid vessel]

no its not close

[dense bolt]

and fatebound just do more important dmg

[vivid vessel]

no

fb loses infinite prio in aoe

dont play fb

[dense bolt]

kk ty

[red zinc]

why am i seeing so many +10s specifically asking for fire mage

what does that class even do

lmao

[inland acorn]

Is a mage

[red zinc]

aint it the worst one

never see people asking for other classes in group titles even

just fire mage

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[viral bison]

did the rotation changed from last season?

[quaint mauve]

what does the new abandon, deserter thing do

[tight kernel]

It condemns you to lfg jail

[somber fractal]

u get a red mark when u sign up/are in a listed group

like a danger sign

[keen belfry]

Can someone tell me what they say in the dev panel systems thing

[vivid vessel]

watch the video noob

[quaint mauve]

oh

thats not good

do u get it if u dc

[cinder relic]

apex talents

Prey system will give hero track vault

[keen belfry]

Oh it already came out

[viral bison]

sheesh

[jolly geyser]

didnt take pvp talents smh

[viral bison]

its got bigger

[elder phoenix]

DID YOU took a photo

[keen belfry]

Did we get 4 new spec points ?

[elder phoenix]

Oh wait

nvm

[keen belfry]

So 3 apex and 1 free spec spot?

[cinder relic]

4 spec points, 3 hero talents, 3 apex

[vivid vessel]

hopefully we can finally play vigor

[cinder relic]

example apex talents

[vivid vessel]

so outlaw

stop

being so shit

[jolly geyser]

vigor would be cool

[keen belfry]

I’m confused

[vivid vessel]

if letalithy sims higher i might kill myself im ngl

[cinder relic]

whats confusing

[keen belfry]

I thought the post was

3 class

[cinder relic]

idk why theres a 321 at the top

[keen belfry]

3 hero

[jolly geyser]

maybe small diff epstein

[cinder relic]

10 levels = 10 points

3 hero talents

3 apex

4 class

Or it might be 4 apex '

Yeah its 4 apex

3 class 3 hero 4 apex

[keen belfry]

So we get one free point for spec tree maybe?

[jolly geyser]

sounds interesting

[keen belfry]

Or am I dumb

I’m dumb

[cinder relic]

so 4 + 3 + 3 = 10

[jolly geyser]

prolly early alpha sep/oct?

[keen belfry]

I thought apex was 3 points

[cinder relic]

Same, but its 4

[keen belfry]

Like the whole “tree”

My dream of 2fth pc seems to be cut short

Unless our apex tree sucks

[jolly geyser]

next exp talk and we need some help now

[vivid vessel]

i would hope the trees would change a bit

at the very least

[cinder relic]

So usuallly when expansions happen classes get changed

Its not an expansion feature to rework Outlaw, but it might happen on an expansion launch

[jolly geyser]

ofc,but some bandaid classic shit

[keen belfry]

Outlaw changes confirmed

[cinder relic]

considering the devs have mentioned outlaw being too annoying to play without weakauars I wouldn't be surprised if it's all but confirmed to get a rework

Once would be a passing comment

twice is basically a confirmation imo

[jolly geyser]

lets see what they do ig

[proper veldt]

Imagine they make everything passive 💀 no need for weak auras anymore cuh

Like they did when they introduced fatebound

[fading hatch]

do you still never press ambush in KIR build?

[cinder relic]

Yeah what if instead the changes are good and we are happy 👍

[vivid vessel]

[jolly geyser]

yea

[vivid vessel]

nice try bud

good rogue changes

[cinder relic]

I'd say most rogue changes this expac were pretty good

Were they enough? Probably not, most were just good tho

[vivid vessel]

ye if you ignore hero talents

[proper veldt]

I’m calling it KIR turns passive 💔 rtb turns into cto

[vivid vessel]

and wtf happened with outlaw

[cinder relic]

Supercharger was great, death perception was great, removing trickster charge was good

[vivid vessel]

from 11.1 to 11.2

like this whole ks rework was such a failure

litteraly destroyed trickter

barely better ability

if even

only good part is you dont die

which

ye

nice

[jolly geyser]

dies less ye but eh

I dont like GS either,get rid of that

[warped pelican]

They need to make a non crank shot build playable for outlaw

[frail veldt]

That's cap

Previous KS was unplayable imo

[vivid vessel]

?

previous ks killed oyu

[frail veldt]

I think it's worlds better

[vivid vessel]

new ks doesnt

ye cause it doesnt kill oyu ??

thats cfazy bro

[frail veldt]

Yes that's a HUGE THING

[vivid vessel]

thats like

bare minimum

BROTHER

BARE MINIMUM

FOR A WOW ABILITY

ALO

WAKE UP

bro is happy his ability isnt killing him

my guy

[frail veldt]

It's beyond bare minimum. Previous KS was a crime it was so bad

[vivid vessel]

wake the fuck up

like

new ks

and all that happened with ks rework

[frail veldt]

New KS isn't as much an issue as new tier is imo

[vivid vessel]

(deletion of trickster basicaly)

is a crime

[frail veldt]

Outlaw played fine with old tier new KS

[jolly geyser]

I agree with zac tbh,and new tier feels worse

[frail veldt]

New tier is worse than new KS imo

[vivid vessel]

new ks being rng targeting

so half the time

litteraly

useless dmage

is

idk

how you could even defend an abilityu like that

just that

is crazy

[frail veldt]

That sucks but I don't feel that in my rotation as much

So I don't care

[vivid vessel]

ye ok

[cinder relic]

HOLY TRUTH NUKE

[vivid vessel]

so you go into a pack

and your damage is useless

[cinder relic]

TRUTH SUPERNOVA

[vivid vessel]

bro guy

yo are so cringe

[cinder relic]

MOTHER OF ALL TRUTHS

[vivid vessel]

litteraly

nah bro

you dont care about anything

cause all you do

is play weeklies

as assa

[frail veldt]

I mean it's not useless I'm just saying the new tier and rng proccing UB is such a scuffed and shitty tier

[vivid vessel]

me when my bte is rng targetting

stop being cringe

TRUTH NUKE

IDC ABOUT ANYTHING

TRUTH NUKE

GUYS

UHUHUHUHUHU H WAHU HH

[frail veldt]

I'm not saying new KS is good

[cinder relic]

Sorry I don't define my existance of a player by which spec I choose to main anymore

[frail veldt]

But old KS was the worst ability ever made

[vivid vessel]

TRUTH NUKE

[sturdy crow]

KS shouldn't be tied to a full hero tree so you can play it if you like it or dont if you dont

[vivid vessel]

ye and the new ks is the worst ability ever made after old ks

so

def an improvement bro

[frail veldt]

Hahaha

[cinder relic]

Well FB plays it with current tuning on ST

[frail veldt]

Yeah but you could drop it

[sturdy crow]

🙁

[vivid vessel]

imagine you wait years before reworking the most problematic ability in the game

and then

[frail veldt]

Without losing too much dps

[vivid vessel]

thats what you do

Killing spree

like idk

[proven ocean]

i played badly this run zac

[vivid vessel]

its crazy

[frail veldt]

LOL yeah

[vivid vessel]

that anyone

[proven ocean]

remember it was a 1key run

[vivid vessel]

wouyld defend that

[proven ocean]

then i left?

[vivid vessel]

i dont expect much from guy

but you mew o

[proven ocean]

the prev on 15 i think

[frail veldt]

I'm not defending their work

[vivid vessel]

i expect better

[proven ocean]

i won on all boss dmg

[vivid vessel]

im ngl

[proven ocean]

except 1

zac

i was just not warmed up at all

microwaved gameplay

[cinder relic]

Yeah mewo do better

[vivid vessel]

TRUTH NUKE

TRUTH NUKE

[frail veldt]

But yeah tbh I was enjoying outlaw a lot when I had old tier new KS

All I'm sayin

[cinder relic]

dont say that

[proven ocean]

zacy wacy

[vivid vessel]

TRUTH NUKE BRO DEATHSTALKER ISNT SHIT FOR ME IT DOESNT MATTER IN THE KEYS I DO

[proven ocean]

me home

!!

[vivid vessel]

TRUTH NUKES

HOLY SHOMOKE

[viscid perch]

dont expect too much when they implement old coup bug into 4p tier

[vivid vessel]

NO ISSUES WITH THE SPEC

ALL IS PERFECT

[jolly geyser]

just make KS pulse fast instead of channel

[cinder relic]

Zac literally shitting his diaper because I enjoy different things than him

[frail veldt]

Also Zac remember I'm only "sometimes" good takes

[proven ocean]

FALSE NUKE

[vivid vessel]

nah bro you just are mega cringe anytime people bring up issues you just say you dont care about anything

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

you could be fed shit

[frail veldt]

I think it's more the being dismissive attitude that triggers him

[vivid vessel]

which you are

over and over

and continue

acting that way

fucking cringe

bro

TRUTH NUKE

[cinder relic]

I say there are issues with the spec all the time

[viscid perch]

the class is unpopular af so they dont care tbh

[vivid vessel]

go drop your truth nuke in sub chat

you havent played outlaw in 10 years

grandpa

[proven ocean]

100x cappy confirmed

[frail veldt]

Yeah but you take stances to argue things that are like objectively broken like death stalkers mark despite so many people wishing it was fixed

[proven ocean]

guy is the type of guy to say im glad acrobatic strikes no longer increases dmg range

he also said FTH nerf in s1 DF was good

omega cooked

no cappy

[vivid vessel]

nah bro dude managing to take blizzard side on ks being rng targeting

i cba

legit

[cinder relic]

I enjoy deathstalker mark, some QOL could be improved with it, but I like the fu ndamental idea of applying a mark to a target and sticking to it

[vivid vessel]

bro will defend the most undefendable shit

[proven ocean]

we all have our cooked takes

zac

looks like liquid might win

[vivid vessel]

idk if he even wanna defends these takes

[proven ocean]

or?

[vivid vessel]

or just

wanna be annoying

[frail veldt]

I mean KS being bad isn't as surprising or tilting to me as deathstalker bugging out

[proven ocean]

echo isn't pulling ahead

[vivid vessel]

to people

[proven ocean]

no cappy

idk

or

?

[vivid vessel]

like for fun

[cinder relic]

ALl my opinions r genuine

[frail veldt]

The mark doesn't even work on eco dome 2nd boss

[vivid vessel]

boss aint dying today

earlier it dies is when liquid wake up

at the end of their day

[jolly geyser]

aint dying untill reset

[frail veldt]

Don't think so?

[vivid vessel]

no

[frail veldt]

I guess I'm awake now and it's alive

[vivid vessel]

earlier it dies for me is end of next liquid day

[frail veldt]

I figured it would die overnight

And liquid would lose

[desert tendon]

Mewo can you join liquid and kill the boss please

[frail veldt]

But yeah now it's gotta be liquid

[desert tendon]

i m getting bored

[frail veldt]

The fuck would I do

[desert tendon]

pet the boss with your cute hands

he ll die from the cuteness and softness of yours

[frail veldt]

I'll give him a good slap

[desert tendon]

[cinder relic]

Never was glad about it's removal, but I moved on from its removal fairly quickly /shrug

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u8ZuKrfvBE can you guys watch this video

im watching it but its private now apparently

for some reason

they dropped it

then removed it

[jolly geyser]

was about to say

[desert tendon]

buy a gamecon pass zac

dont be shy

[jolly geyser]

this reveal so shattered across

[vivid vessel]

so shit ye

kekw

worse expac reveal

ever

bro have to check random tweets

from random streamers

[jolly geyser]

cinematic didnt have big ending

[vivid vessel]

to get a glimpse of information

[jolly geyser]

mfs gotta check wowhead for news and shit

[vivid vessel]

then they release 24 hours after some broken ass video

ye aha

like the most random wowhead posts

like

how come

the earliest info i can get

is from twitter or wowhead

[gaunt phoenix]

Lmao

[vivid vessel]

like im forced to not read wowhead

to not spoil myself the video

[desert tendon]

this dude

[vivid vessel]

that will come out

legit 24h after

[desert tendon]

One guy

[vivid vessel]

fucking amateurs waht they are doing rn

[jolly geyser]

Im gonna be negative and be suprised

[vivid vessel]

i think my video stopped loading

im scared

it might stop mid way

cause its private now

[jolly geyser]

uh oh

[vivid vessel]

nvm its still loading

fuck blizzard

im watchign it

[cinder relic]

I kinad like that the reveals are spaced out a bit but yeah the gamescon shit has been a bit of a shitshow

[jolly geyser]

its been real:

[vivid vessel]

i mean idc thast its spaced out

[jolly geyser]

[vivid vessel]

i care that like

we dont get to see shit

until 24 hour after

and you have random tweets

and then wowhead article

[cinder relic]

yeah thats what I mean

[vivid vessel]

about pannels

that you cant watch

like ??

WTF

[quaint mauve]

oh punishment only applies for excessive leaving

[vivid vessel]

HE SAID ROLL THE BONES

[quaint mauve]

got scared

[vivid vessel]

GUYS

[jolly geyser]

roll the boners

[vivid vessel]

the video shows a rogue with 2 daggers

[frail veldt]

Zac watching a secret video lol

[vivid vessel]

and he says

roll the bones

[desert tendon]

2 daggers rolling bones

[vivid vessel]

!!

[frail veldt]

That's an old vid

[desert tendon]

[vivid vessel]

its so over

[desert tendon]

Finally

[vivid vessel]

?

its fomr today

wdym

[frail veldt]

That clip is from when they unveiled the new delve thing

Hunts or whatever

[vivid vessel]

ah the clip

ok well

[frail veldt]

We had this discussion about double dagger outlaw lol

[vivid vessel]

nah but

i think

we can transmog all rogue weapons now

as outlaw

[frail veldt]

That'd be neat

[vivid vessel]

cause of the new transmog system

idk if you heard about it

[desert tendon]

@wintry solar watch gamescom rn

[frail veldt]

They are making some xmog updates

[desert tendon]

cosplay time

[frail veldt]

SLOT MOG

[vivid vessel]

you are transmoging slots instead

soooo

to me that means

[jolly geyser]

all rogue specs should be able to use any 1h tbh

[vivid vessel]

i just transmog my off hand slot to a sword

and eta gg

[vivid vessel]

yep fr fr

preach

[desert tendon]

[vivid vessel]

or at least outalw should be able to double dagger

oh wtf

the rogue actually cast roll the bone and shit in the video

its an actual outlaw rogue

with 2 daggers transmogged

i mean

its gg no ?

[jolly geyser]

mf isaak

[desert tendon]

he just cant pres sinister strike

[frail veldt]

Tbh it could just be a cinematic mode not actual gameplay footage

[vivid vessel]

its dispatch that you cant

[frail veldt]

And they are just pressing spell animations lol

[vivid vessel]

nah bro

its litteraly an outlaw rogue

[frail veldt]

I won't read much into it

[vivid vessel]

I am

[red zinc]

damn we getting stat squished

no billion dps

[frail veldt]

I think it's more likely it's just a mog like you said

[desert tendon]

u cant ss without a 1h nah?

[frail veldt]

You can

Can't dispatch

[desert tendon]

shoot

[red zinc]

i do think its a lil strange to be leveling to 90 but getting worse gear

[desert tendon]

this is even worse than i was thinking

[red zinc]

last time we got squished our level went down too

[vivid vessel]

tbf i dont see him dispatching

i think

[frail veldt]

True

[jolly geyser]

they already made daggers work for combat/outlaw in cata, I used them mf

[frail veldt]

So I could do that right now

I think I saw him bladeflurry

[vivid vessel]

ye

he does ambush

ss

bf

rtb

ps

but i dont see dispatch

[frail veldt]

That's the outlaw dev playing

[vivid vessel]

fr

[lofty sand]

[desert tendon]

No wonder they dont know anything

[frail veldt]

I mean y'all have to wonder

[stoic needle]

First comment to ever get me to post. GG

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

Did the dev write the outlaw apl for obr

[desert tendon]

i swear

i respect cosplayers

holyshmok

[quaint mauve]

haranir customization looks good

[frail veldt]

Yeah I like haranir

I'm just glad it's not a dwarf

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOL

scrype funny call out

[desert tendon]

i m glad it s not dwarf

[proven ocean]

guys dont live dont live

xdd xdd

[desert tendon]

but i m disappointed it s elf

[frail veldt]

Well it's like troll ish elf

Which I guess technically elves are trolls

[desert tendon]

it s 90% elf 10% troll

[jolly geyser]

is this boss actually dying before reset?

[quaint mauve]

bro

i just did tank dmg

[desert tendon]

they ll probably nerf it until it dies before reset

[quaint mauve]

first 3 pulls of floodgate

[desert tendon]

they dont want a 2 reset tier anymore

[quaint mauve]

i feel ill

[frail veldt]

Why?

[red zinc]

Have they gotten any clean pulls yet

[desert tendon]

jailer prog really hurt

[red zinc]

Or is it still just deaths fuckin it

[desert tendon]

i think they just get dps check so far

but i m not really following so i just repeat

[quaint mauve]

i swear it wasnt my fault idk man

[frail veldt]

How bad is tank damage

I feel like I lose to the DPS always in first pull flood but I shit on the tank

[quaint mauve]

he was doing 8 mill on al l3 pulls

[vivid vessel]

its both

[quaint mauve]

i was

[vivid vessel]

the p3 is extremely har

[quaint mauve]

barely ahead

[frail veldt]

Ah

[vivid vessel]

but the dps check is also impossible

[frail veldt]

Gotta pump dat up

[vivid vessel]

or like very hard

i think liquid got to 10%

[frail veldt]

You should do 8 mil on 3 or 4 targets

[vivid vessel]

i dont remember

[frail veldt]

9

[desert tendon]

Lich king cosplay

[jolly geyser]

6

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

I think

[jolly geyser]

something

[frail veldt]

Oh wow 6

[red zinc]

Thats total

[frail veldt]

That's very close

[quaint mauve]

what abt on a gajillion targets

[frail veldt]

Yeah it was 9 p3 hp

[desert tendon]

not too shabby

[red zinc]

13% p3 6% total or smth

[frail veldt]

Like 14-18

[desert tendon]

great details ngl

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[proven ocean]

gamescom or

[waxen dome]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[red zinc]

I mean if it wasnt possible lizzard would do a % nerf or two today

[desert tendon]

yea zero

[red zinc]

It probably is

[desert tendon]

Dude is holding frostmourne with 2 fingers

plastic swords

[vivid vessel]

that would be terrible

[desert tendon]

😠

[proven ocean]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

both guilds are so close

yet so far

[proven ocean]

i didnt know lichking was german

[vivid vessel]

if you nerf now

a guild auto win

legit impossible to nerf rn

[frail veldt]

Yeah blizz would never do that

Ever

[proven ocean]

actual sick armor no cappy

[desert tendon]

they ll nerf only if it s not killed by tuesday

[keen belfry]

is this dps check doable

[desert tendon]

but they ll do

[red zinc]

I mean if its not possible without more gear then liquid auto wins too

[keen belfry]

does it require perfect perfecet player from everyone?

[desert tendon]

new NA vs EU release time drama inc

[red zinc]

only saying theyll nerf if it was truly impossible

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

Eh it doesn't have that many like wipe the whole group things

It's not as bad as jailer

It has a lot of DPS checks

[proven ocean]

[keen belfry]

yeah the dps check is crazy

[vivid vessel]

blizzard have no idea about that tho

[frail veldt]

The healing too

Is insane

In p3

[keen belfry]

dps check p1, dps check each platform, huge dps check p3

[vivid vessel]

these guilds have proven over and over that they just do whatever you ask of them

[desert tendon]

just play 2 healers

ez

make me liquid RL

[proven ocean]

'

bro

idk who this guy is

but hes so fucking funny

[desert tendon]

???

[tepid skiff]

best part was like5 ppl in here sayin it dies yesterday

[proven ocean]

dude scrype talks to him

and hes like

dude

[tepid skiff]

no concept of difficulty

[proven ocean]

ofc i know where to go

i did this mechanic 100 times

[vivid vessel]

bro

[desert tendon]

it sure dies yersteday

[vivid vessel]

can you stop typing

[desert tendon]

[vivid vessel]

scrype

??

[proven ocean]

what then

scripe?

[proven ocean]

idk

ah

[red zinc]

#1 scrype glazer

[vivid vessel]

its litteraly written

[proven ocean]

scripe

[vivid vessel]

everywehre

you noob

[proven ocean]

idk

scrype = scythe

[desert tendon]

Fking skryhpe

[proven ocean]

kinda rhymes

[red zinc]

No

[desert tendon]

no

[red zinc]

nephew is not a poet

[proven ocean]

ye max has 0 concept of difficulty too

crazy right

[tepid skiff]

hes just sayin that for team morale and viewer influence

[delicate saffron]

is this acceptable

[proven ocean]

idk about that boss seemed dead from that day's prespective

[gaunt phoenix]

No you must beat ret

[red zinc]

Lost to ret

[desert tendon]

not beating ret

😠

[red zinc]

Send him to gary, indiana

dishonor to the tribe

[delicate saffron]

i must beat ret ? 😭

[desert tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1408446060871024670/image0.jpg?ex=68aa6ddc&is=68a91c5c&hm=f669d50c72391930febb72103b68f78b785ba6041bb4970091e25e09e919f1ec&

take that

[red zinc]

Matter of principle

[desert tendon]

so you wont have to deal with ret anymore

[proven ocean]

fuck rets

no cappy

[red zinc]

Losing to ret is unacceptable

[delicate saffron]

😭

[proven ocean]

dude

they got fked

clown fiesta in echo atm no cappy

[red zinc]

zeross when do you use your on uses that you got on

Seems a lil cooky

[proven ocean]

what are u talking about

[red zinc]

Forge + prism

[delicate saffron]

why yall speaking with "y"s at the end of everything

[proven ocean]

ah

forge then prism

nah i was just testing stuff i dont really go for parses early on

just see if things aren't simming correctly or not

[delicate saffron]

seems a bit sussy

[vivid vessel]

forge + prism sims the same as prism + antena for sub

[red zinc]

Feel like two on uses for m+ is pretty fine though, damage on shivs is already pretty stupid

[vivid vessel]

ah for ass

[proven ocean]

nah i was testing raid timmy

not m+

in M+ u ahve to go 1 one use

not 2

[red zinc]

aight

[proven ocean]

ok 2 might be doable

not sure

i will try some later

no idea yet

[red zinc]

Im tryna get rid of my void fragment but it sims crazy style

[proven ocean]

eh

im pretty sure its omega niche

[red zinc]

only antenna is better for whatever reason

[proven ocean]

but

if u track it

[tight kernel]

Yo either Dimmy or Timmy dies today

[proven ocean]

and u actually line it up on execute+shiv

[vivid vessel]

btw @proven ocean

[proven ocean]

ur legit gonna pump the meter's ass so hard

[vivid vessel]

we need to play again

i have gear now