outlaw

[frail veldt]

so you gotta make sure you move your bladeflurry around

to tag each mob once

[willow portal]

kinda ass that i only got 90 runed crests last week instead of 105 and i am now short 15 crests to finish runeds

#scam

[unkempt ice]

hmm just didnt think much about it befroe and had bigger breakdown

[frail veldt]

but yeah its not that strong I think it loses to a hero offhand at anything below 5 targets

[frail veldt]

yeah it got weaker

[unkempt ice]

ill just try again, maybe bad key

[young prism]

thanks got it now

[normal forge]

Is that st build trickster or fate?

[willow portal]

i just followed the recommendations for the bosses

so its a mix

[quaint mauve]

i love ol

[radiant vessel]

can you equip two of these i always thought it was only 1 allowed?

[young prism]

I've extracted and did a tiny modification from another group. Would you like me to share what it looks like?

or am I allowed to share it here?

[cedar kernel]

yea u can

just dont put embellishment on it

[radiant vessel]

thanks hunny x

[young prism]

it is for coup de grace tracking it is also showing the stacks of unseen blades

[cedar kernel]

its not unique equipment if u dont pull embellishment

[balmy topaz]

I wear 2 atm

Gm bac

[cedar kernel]

gm ruby

[radiant vessel]

so can i have 1 with an embellishment and 1 without because i've got my other embellishment on my crafted 1h

[cedar kernel]

did u saw the things i said with passion

[young prism]

and this is for the antenna trinket tracking I make it glow a bit more to minimize the orb loss

[cedar kernel]

yes

[young prism]

hope you find those usefull

[balmy topaz]

Do what was that

[radiant vessel]

don't the orbs just crawl up your ass after a while anyway?

[cedar kernel]

here

but i need a dps and a healer rn

[balmy topaz]

3.3k today?

[cedar kernel]

i got BM monk/Cat/Law

i think can

[balmy topaz]

You can do bac

[cedar kernel]

i havent do it yet

[young prism]

yes but they fade away after some tine

time*

[cedar kernel]

my speed slowed down bc no one applying that

[young prism]

assuming your are moving frequently you might get away from them

[cedar kernel]

i put more attention to the group i am making rn

[young prism]

with this aura at least you'll know there is an orb nearby stalking you slowly

[cedar kernel]

the hard way is to find the other 2 person who can fit in mood

[weary fog]

!defensive

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[willow portal]

no heroic crest craft?

[heavy shadow]

Can anyone clear up a query I have for first boss Eco Dome. The mites you have to slow, are the spawn points set every single time? Or when it says set, does it mean the same spots that the mites before them spawn?

[balmy topaz]

I will with my next spark

[willow portal]

i already sent it on ring this week

:(

[balmy topaz]

That's fine

[worldly compass]

The portals can spawn north, east, south or west of the boss and you get four puddles per phase, so people should ideally drop a puddle near each potential spawn

[heavy shadow]

Ah so the first smaller smites location is irrelevant

So it’s not me then, it’s all 5 or so groups I’ve done this with who are dropping it in useless spots

[willow portal]

it helps to drop world marks during rp

you might get the few pugs with 2 braincells to go there

[heavy shadow]

Yeah it’s what I understood from watching the guides but the group I had just dropped them randomly and the group fell apart as apparently my fault for not aoeing them down fast enough

Even AoE blind one pack

What’s surprising is this was a 12 and they all had about 2600 rating

[willow portal]

pugs be pugs

[willow portal]

you have to fight the adds during the intermission and stuns and stuff help stop them from getting pulled in sure

no idea what a blind would do there tho and if you stayed on boss you were actually slacking

[nova basin]

hey guys, question regarding fate spec, im in raid and my damage hugely fluctuates even though my rotation is almost identical looking through logs.. at times it seems the only thing that is different is Hand of Fate(tails) damage is sometimes almosts double on raid bosses (the same raid bosses) - is this just normal and i should accept it? it goes from a 50-60 parse to a high 90's parse on the same boss just from an RNG fate roll.

[edgy phoenix]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine yoke]

!loot

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[potent atlas]

macro

[alpine yoke]

Are there statwise any breakpoints we want or just sim to win?

[safe pasture]

19% haste for kir

[normal forge]

feels great getting new 4p and doing less dmg, god save me

!ss

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy topaz]

pugging 15 halls

has been the bane of me

We done it tho

[willow portal]

reduced healing poison is pog in halls tho

love me some utility

[balmy topaz]

I had gucci on arms

so

It was fine

MS

[willow portal]

does it not stack?

[balmy topaz]

Don't think so

I doubt it would

[willow portal]

also i really dont understand how gucci plays with his standard ui

cant even see casts

[alpine yoke]

Me every stream

[real badge]

Is KiR better ST than HO in m+?

[lucid sandal]

Need to know how you pump out almost 9m overall

Cant break the 7m barrier myself and I'm 707 with a myth weap and 4 set

[cedar kernel]

fuck it

[tribal pagoda]

tried the new 4pc build tonight - is it just me or is the ST damage kinda mediocre in keys?

[nova basin]

ST sucks as trickster

[tribal pagoda]

I'm hardstuck at 3M dps

and by hardstuck I mean 2.8M heheh

[nova basin]

then you have like enh shammys busting 15 mill ST xD

[proper veldt]

activate windows 💔

[cedar kernel]

i made less dmg than ruby

noob bac fr fr

[quiet root]

i think it depends on the pulls you're doing or maybe i'm just coping because i can't hit 8m in my low keys either

[cinder summit]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[lucid sandal]

I've done up to 13s so far

[trim tiger]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy topaz]

NEVER

[balmy topaz]

Watch zacs vods

[balmy topaz]

EYYY

[lucid sandal]

Probably should

[elder phoenix]

im curious

has anyone tried hekeli with outlaw

[analog mulch]

Whats the difference between FB and trickster in m+? FB more ST less cleave?

[red zinc]

I mean honestly higher keys just increase overall most of the time

Maybe not for some super frontloaded classes but was definitely that way on law last season (unless you were doing +2s where cudgel was most of your damage)

[tribal pagoda]

I've compared my rotation to it a bit - it's not bad but it has some weird reroll logic. Like it forgets that you rerolled after KIR already

but as far as recommending generators it's pretty good

[trim hound]

does 678 cudgel replace my oh?

[red zinc]

sim it

[trim hound]

it doesnt or?

[cinder summit]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[normal forge]

just found one

[sonic bluff]

KiR builds feels so awkward comparing to HO builds 🙁 Maybe I need a time to adapt, but wasn't happy last M+ evening.

Do you guys feels the same or is it me doing something wrong?

Worst thing is getting rid of Ambush and building CP's during Vanish window with Sinister Strikes and Blade Fury (in AoE obviously). That just feels wrong and slow 🙁

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel echo seems to be killing dimensius today

[red zinc]

not if i have anything to say about it

[fallen mural]

are you guys swapping cudgel as soon as a pull goes below 5 targets? @balmy topaz ?

Like if the pull starts at 8 targets then 3 die unevenly (because i pug) lol... would you swap midfight or no?

[sonic bluff]

I'm not swapping. Swap only before bosses.

[balmy topaz]

I only swap for bosses

@vivid vessel

[fallen mural]

ok, ya atm i think im going to restore my 678 cudgel. i've been using a 720 OHmace which willbe 723 next week

[timid idol]

dude my rogue wont show up as my main on rio

i have it marked as main but it wont appear on any of my alts

had this issue last season too, only character that refused to interact with the rio addon completely

wtf

[vivid vessel]

[balmy topaz]

we in

[vivid vessel]

Tfff

[inland acorn]

It can feel like, especially when we're playing 1fth build which feels like ass without broadside buff.
Sometimes you need to press 5 ss to get 5 cp and you just want to alt f4

It defo has lowest lows which make you just hate it

[fallen mural]

but when you roll the 6 and literally keep it rolling. That's when you get a ...

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-cucumber-gif-24237947

[manic quartz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[inland acorn]

and then you look at details

[tight kernel]

Yo boys. Two daggers dropped from myth loom and raid gave it to me.. are they trying to say something?

[normal forge]

i feel the same, specially without tierset from s2

[inland acorn]

being smoked by some dks and shit

[fallen mural]

HAhaha

[inland acorn]

I was doing flood, rolled 6 buffs literally on top of the world

Check details

DK is bursting for 30 mil

Mage for like 20

I'm like 15

[fallen mural]

wrong channel the beta rogues are in the other channels jk

[inland acorn]

[fallen mural]

i swear everytime you roll 6 the other 2 people have ascended at the same time.

[muted smelt]

yeah but your gonna do 15m on the next pack too the mage and dk are gona do like 6-7

[fallen mural]

I'm just going to group with 2 augs from now on.

[muted smelt]

rough with the smooth XD

[inland acorn]

next pull is ST boss

Where you're trying to not lose to tank

[fallen mural]

LOL

[muted smelt]

oh RIP XD

[timid idol]

i feel the opposite, i hate pressing ambush honestly

[muted smelt]

i mean atleast your st isnt sin levels of shit

[inland acorn]

I play outlaw since BfA and sometimes i'm just

Like

Looking my details

See me doing 12mil

[fallen mural]

next pull in pug is boss and one add is out in narnia that needs an interrupt so you grapple in and out and realize they aren't going to get the next interrupt so might as well just hang yourself.

[inland acorn]

And wonder where the fuck this damage is coming from

Because i'm rolling buried treasure

and next pull i have 5 buffs and suddenly do like 9 mil

[worthy thunder]

Is anyone else seeing pretty decent results with the HO build?

[inland acorn]

idk think HO build is kinda dead

[willow portal]

When are the outlaw buffs due?

[inland acorn]

i think you mean nerfs

[fallen mural]

rubys parse made me do it

i thought i could get away with not having it lol

[inland acorn]

I gave up on it this season

CBA switching weapons all the time like in S2

fuck that

S2 at least you only switched on bosses, now it's depending on pull size, nah fam i'm out

[quiet root]

i mean it's only 3-5 times per dungeon if you only swap for bosses, i think that's fine

most pulls that are not bosses are big enough to warrant cudgel anyway

[worthy thunder]

IDK, its doing alright in keys for me tbh

[inland acorn]

I mean it's fine for normal keys and shit

But if you want to optimize it's just too much behind KiR

[sonic bluff]

Im playing Outlaw since BfA as well, but now I'm seriously thinking about changing a spec... I don't even remember how Assassination feels to play but it seems like it's time to try it out 🙁

[inland acorn]

Like it always used

CDS for 20 seconds

then afk for +1 minute

[quiet root]

it feels super slow compared to outlaw so idk

[worthy thunder]

Yeah true, think NEssa is pushing 17s with it tho

[quiet root]

if you like pressing buttons fast then maybe assassination won't be your favorite spec ever

[inland acorn]

I mean HO also depends on pull sizes

[quiet root]

it has good numbers though, if you like big numbers then it's great

[inland acorn]

Think it's loosing less on certain size pulls

[sonic bluff]

it definitely not my favorite 🙂 I tried it back in BfA, but then stick to Outlaw and never regret it, no matter the fact that Assassination always was a top DPS spec. But current KiR rotation just makes me sad 🙁

[quiet root]

idk just play HO then if you like that rotation more

if it's 6% dungeonslice worse than kir like i saw mentioned here earlier

that's so worth

if you're having more fun

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Nëssa?season=season-tww-3
rank 2 outlaw playing HO

[red zinc]

what

lmao

[inland acorn]

?

[wintry solar]

Yeah cdr only works in subterfuge. Didn't you know?

[inland acorn]

that was about assa

[vivid vessel]

eh

i think they will go to sleep before killing it

[cedar kernel]

we fail 15+

[vivid vessel]

and i think liquid can kill it during their day

like they are quite far still

barely any progress in p3 done

[worldly shale]

New tech came out

[wintry solar]

Is that real?

It's too good to be true so it must be fake

[digital linden]

some guildies of mine are saying ret is blasting now after the buffs

in m+ atleast

[tropic zephyr]

believe

[serene cosmos]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[tropic zephyr]

eu domination

[vivid vessel]

im more of a liquid enjoyer myself

[tropic zephyr]

tbf i was surprised of the quaility of liquid's caster

like they actually help understand the fight and the current problem the guild is facing

i feel like echo's caster are just here to hang around while echo do their stuff

although, maximum/scripe streams are often best to follow

[vivid vessel]

idc im watching the rogues anyway

[tropic zephyr]

tru, tho i like seeing firedup pov

[desert tendon]

I préfer zac s pov

[normal forge]

thats a lot of dmg

[tropic zephyr]

let's look at perfecto pov for the kill now

2nd platform everybody alive

[vivid vessel]

i just need liquid to wake up so i can have 3 pov open

[tropic zephyr]

which one

[vivid vessel]

well kush exile and perfecto

[tropic zephyr]

what time do they start usually, in 4-5h?

[vivid vessel]

no idea

earlier i would think

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, if echo don't kill before sleep, liquid probably kills

[vivid vessel]

i mean echo isnt killing today

there is no way

they arent consistently going in p3 at all

and p3 looks hard

[tropic zephyr]

haven't even seen one P3 yet, i can only imagine the pain of the healers

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar r u NA

[tropic zephyr]

haven't looked at sub for this season, what do you need on top of sectech mark and sd

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[tropic zephyr]

idk it looks like there's moments where they old sd even though they have mark and sectech

[vivid vessel]

can hold one for cb

if you cb insta on cd you have it back for cds

but you can also hold for whatever you want

like adds for example

[cedar kernel]

we still fail 14+ hall

halls is too hard

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, like he just avoids overcapping mark and just holds for right phase looks like

perfecto be blasting P2

[quaint mauve]

i cant get any groups anymore

its so defeating

[fallen knot]

make your own

[quaint mauve]

i dont need anything from my key

i want 13 resil

i cant get into 13s i havent done

already

so

[fallen knot]

make a tank warrior alt

get resi13

mark it as main

join keys from rogue

[quaint mauve]

LOL

or swap sin

[fallen knot]

nah

[quaint mauve]

im win

in

we

[fallen knot]

sin is for the weak

[quaint mauve]

go

[safe pasture]

is there a reason ppl siming for 7mil and shit and i sim for like 5.1m only have 2 set but im llike 703 ilvl and think i got proper gear

feel like im missin sum

[gaunt phoenix]

7 million sounds like an aoe sim of sorts

[safe pasture]

oo ye might be the case then

[daring oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/outlaw/trickster/DAOBVVFRRRUVYlIBQCQQNVFREVEVFRFFYlBAEVVVUCQQ

is this actually legit for m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

sure, i mean that's what HO loaded dice looks like

[wintry solar]

Yeah why

[vivid vessel]

you a ho player now ?

[daring oxide]

No I’m not

I just saw this on raider.io

In top outlaw keys

[tropic zephyr]

must be some chinese tech

[gaunt phoenix]

its from my faq

[daring oxide]

Although I gotta admit

I’ve been struggling with KIR especially when getting dog rng the entire run

No more 5 natties

Destroyed my dopamine function

[gaunt phoenix]

i would rather play 2fth kir than go back to ho imo

[daring oxide]

Yeah I think 1fth without the S2 tier

Is kinda really painful

Feeling wise

Like no easy RTB buffs anymore

And it’s so god dam painful when not having broadsides

Doesn’t help I’ve been on some potato thinkpad with 5 fps the past week while travelling in Italy but

[desert tendon]

HO player

[daring oxide]

I’m not a HO player don’t panic

[gaunt phoenix]

but it does not surprise me you can still time keys with ho

[desert tendon]

i panic i panic!

[frail veldt]

I ran a sim earlier and non GS KiR was only 2.4 behind in dslice

[vivid vessel]

you can time 16s playing on a controller rn

and fatebound

full st

[frail veldt]

That's like really close

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah 2fth kir is close overall, though you do lose like 6% st

maybe stinky in streets

[daring oxide]

To drop GS?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[daring oxide]

Hmm

[frail veldt]

2.4% overall though that's not bad

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

ye lets drop even more st and prio

[frail veldt]

Lolol

[gaunt phoenix]

but if you droute a streets it might be different

[vivid vessel]

while already being so trash at st and prio

[frail veldt]

Zac

You just said

We could time 16s

On a controller

[desert tendon]

can you time a 16 as outlaw holding 2 daggers?

[frail veldt]

I'm sure non GS is fine

[daring oxide]

No im not suggesting we do

I can’t wait for 11.2.5

Please come sooner 🙏

[frail veldt]

Lower or higher you mean

[vivid vessel]

you expect changes?

[daring oxide]

No

[vivid vessel]

thats funny vai

[slate forge]

#nochanges

[frail veldt]

Also I learned sub rq yesterday it's kinda op

[daring oxide]

Well actually

I was thinking

[frail veldt]

Gona def do that on dawn and prob streets

[slate forge]

Wish they would buff KS another 50% so I could supercharger and go get a snack and not feel bad

[daring oxide]

KIR+HO might be a thing in Midnight @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

rather not

[frail veldt]

I thought full KS wasn't even a DPS loss

It's neutral to cancel early

[wintry solar]

They're enhancing HO

[frail veldt]

I do hope they fix the supercharger bug with it though

[normal forge]

!gear

[daring oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/spend-10-more-points-across-three-trees-and-new-talents-in-midnight-378287?utm_source=discord-webhook

did you see this yet?

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[marble meteor]

what trinkets should I be using for keys?

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it can be more granular, like canceling ks if you need cto procs for kir

[frail veldt]

Yeah I hold KS longer if I'm low on energy too

Kinda nice to have the option

[daring oxide]

Give me your cooks, what would you like to see as these apex talents?

[vivid vessel]

idk man

[long barn]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[slate forge]

The KS pre key is my favorite time just shooting air

[frail veldt]

Outlaw becomes fully PS range

[vivid vessel]

im in my doomer arc rn

lost hope

of everything

[gaunt phoenix]

there are many good trinkets, sigil of the cosmic hunt, astral antenna, stone idol, incorporeal warpclaw, signet of priory, etc.

we dont really have an oppressively strong trinket

[vivid vessel]

devs failed us

[slate forge]

.5 dev*

[daring oxide]

Let’s bring you back to the innovative godfather of outlaw Zac of solutions arc

[vivid vessel]

there is no solutions

they only create more problems

[marble meteor]

so no specifically aoe trinket? just the same deal as raiding?

[daring oxide]

I reckon an apex talent will be to make blade flurry uncap

[tropic zephyr]

that seems kinda weak tho

[gaunt phoenix]

the stat trinkets like astral antenna, stone idol, signet, pacemaker are slightly better in aoe compared to st

[daring oxide]

Another apex talent will be that when we press RTB we get at least our chosen guaranteed buff (we select in capstone)

[marble meteor]

thanks a tonne 🙂

[daring oxide]

Another one to change us into range spec

[lofty sand]

They should Just make outlaw less rng dependant like s2

[desert tendon]

it s still not that much rng dependant

is it?

[lofty sand]

Yeah not that much anymore

But s2 felt good

[desert tendon]

yea it currently good

we re no near bfa outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

thats 4pc fatebound in raid

1fth trickster in keys is very prone to rng

[lofty sand]

Yeah if you have no ss and cp buff

U Just ss ss ss ss

[desert tendon]

s2 is even more rng

but yea as solo says, it s probably some talents things

[lofty sand]

Or pistol shot then ss

[wintry solar]

@quaint mauve Are you NA?

[quaint mauve]

ye

double ol keys?

[wintry solar]

I'm a little too employed atm

[quaint mauve]

:(

[wintry solar]

And for the rest of the week

[quaint mauve]

streets is very easy now

got my 13

idk groups arent accepting me ima just gear the lock for now

[wintry solar]

Casters are the main character

[timid idol]

what happen in 11.2.5

or are we coping for buffs

[quaint mauve]

omg

the group im in asked me to go again

[wintry solar]

You're the main character today

[daring oxide]

50/50 we get something or we don’t who knows

[hybrid crown]

Man the cape proc was absolutely slapping this week

Last week I was like upper middle of the pack on cape damage but this week I was top. I got the boots which made a difference

[safe pasture]

just finished my last 12 for resil but quest giver didnt show up at the end what do D:

[worldly shale]

so how is abandoning keys beneficial now

when people can hold hostage

XD

[timid portal]

Its like 5min in the dungeon for u to be able to vote

Or if all gives up u just need to leave the dung and party leader have to reset instance

[mossy compass]

We get mentioned in a dev interview https://youtu.be/ZL846VrXkKU?t=1299

[red zinc]

mentioned unholy dk next to it

lmfao

calling it "expansion level changes" though when talking about outlaw so

SURELY 12.0

also that apex talent stuff is somewhat interesting, but its such a hit or miss possibility that idk

1 new ability / capstone that gets empowered by the next 3 points you put into it

no real choice there

[mossy compass]

If they wind up not being good we can put those points elsewhere in the tree, it's not like we get "Apex Points", they're still talent points

[red zinc]

i mean they will always be good lets be honest

they aint making something like that for it to not be taken

just could be boring / clunky as hell

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar i like

have been in this group for 3 keys

times all

holy

[quaint mauve]

ru chinese

[cedar kernel]

yea what up mate

[quaint mauve]

like

play on cn server?

or like

idk

[cedar kernel]

yes Chinese pure

[quaint mauve]

this is a first

hi

[cedar kernel]

did u just said hi

my favorite emote

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-cat-waving-wave-paw-gif-18029335

[proven ocean]

Ye

Download now

[tropic zephyr]

idk feels like a good pull can do it

50%

they'll probably push to their limit today

if they go to bed without kill it's joever

[cedar kernel]

💀

[marble wave]

Do we still use Nightfall Cudgel? Swapping from Assa to Outlaw

[wintry solar]

Yayyy

[desert tendon]

downloaded

[wintry solar]

"Expansion level changes" when talking about UHDK and Outlaw is crazy work

And funnily enough, the 2 specs I main.

[cedar kernel]

finally idol

[cedar kernel]

yes try to get a 691 cudgel very good

[wintry solar]

According to that video, HO/KIR would be a thing

[cedar kernel]

i did something rly good

brothers

i am the no1

[jolly geyser]

rank 1

[marble wave]

Happend to mate mate yesterday he was afk got 1 too

[wintry solar]

Bac you're no longer noob

[lofty sand]

holy aura

[desert tendon]

YO BAC R1

ACTUALLY NO FAKE

[cedar kernel]

[rotund zodiac]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[radiant vessel]

i got idol and champ antenna but sac and antenna sim higher but i think it maybe the haste loss

dno

[red zinc]

they are just removing a hero talent from vengeance to accomodate the new one from devourer

crazy

[glass mortar]

I mean it means they get a new one also so

That's kinda exciting

Sucks if u liked that one tho

Hello yes I'd like to mulligan one or two of our hero talents

[red zinc]

5 big (fel) booms for vengeance dh

[glass mortar]

BIG (void) booms

[red zinc]

apparently the new hero talent gets reskinned for them

its like

"annihilator", on devourer it summons void meteors and fel meteors on vengeance

@late swallow no D? damn im no longer interested

[glass mortar]

Makes sense I guess neither dh spec dabbles in void shit at all

[desert tendon]

NO D

[hollow coyote]

!versatility

[random stirrup]

Ranged perma uptime surrender to madness spec coming back

Hmm

[late swallow]

Yeah uh no thanks not interested

[rotund zodiac]

!3k

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpshit-mad-gif-12826934952903770254

NO D

also uh

4 extra points in the spec tree sounds fucking nuts

imagine how much cp we're going to get with HO+KIR

[quaint sable]

I mean they are also adding new end nodes tho

so...

probs wont be HO + KiR

[late swallow]

If we don’t take GSW

Imma do something reckless

[indigo token]

was GSW even worth a shit back in legion

or SL

it seems like such a bad ability

[late swallow]

I don’t even know

The flavor

[indigo token]

WOW!! your pistol shot does more damage

[late swallow]

Love my boy greenskin

They need to make it stack so it works with CS

[quaint sable]

we played gsw in sl

well kinda

[late swallow]

Look at this mf

[quaint sable]

make it stacka and just send all stacks on next ps

Huge ps

[smoky whale]

Yo guys have a questión, when u have the new set for the macro with fatebound ur lf spam the entry when u have vanish and adrenaline rush for stack the coins or just for the entry?

[gaunt phoenix]

for now it is just the opener, tc into aligning vanish with AR/GS is ongoing

[cinder relic]

Yes

[indigo token]

was it really that impactful

it sounds so flaccid

[gaunt phoenix]

it just has to compete with other choices

[glass mortar]

i thought there used to be some cute rule to make sure u consumed the GSW proc after each BtE but now a day this is a do nothing talent

[gaunt phoenix]

back in SL it was 300% damage

[glass mortar]

its pretty meh as a capstone

i hope they change it into something more gunplay focused

maybe that interacts with all our gun spells

modern law design has left GSW behind. its not hard to tune it to be viable i just dont think they want to since its probably seen as the more passive option competing with ghostly

altho ghostlys engagement is pretty close to zero at this point, with fatebound and s3 tier set being an exception

[indigo token]

also I will say

after getting the 4 set

i understand why they had to fix the coup bug

holy shit

[desert tendon]

Ruby

[balmy topaz]

[desert tendon]

Why u too good

[balmy topaz]

Bro

pugging this

has been ass

[desert tendon]

Also make gsw 900% and we good

[glass mortar]

i mean

would make more sense to make it buff every PS shot

unless u want fth gone completely

[covert heart]

How do the 15s feel timer wise? I been doing 14s and they arent that bad

Trying to work on 15s this weekend

[desert tendon]

It s anyway so hard to compete with cracksot

They went hard on that talent

[balmy topaz]

Only one is halls tbh

rest are fine

[covert heart]

I figured, halls is a big rough, honestly we will prob get some 16s done before that 15 halls

[balmy topaz]

I pugged mine today

Had a decent grp tho

[covert heart]

I am suprised I am getting invited to pug groups haha. I usually play with some people though

Yea that is a pretty good group, hoa seems to be the instance my tank struggles the most with

I might be getting invited because io is decent enough. Its 3080 right now. Hopefully get in the high 3100s this weekend

[vivid vessel]

im getting gapped

by every spec in the game ..

elem

dk

sub

eta gg

[craggy barn]

its over zac

[lament flume]

Do i throw finishers on 5/6 combopoints included supercharge, or do i send it with 5/6 points+supercharge?

[spare dome]

how old are you?

outlaw is for <25 yo only

[acoustic epoch]

oh 🙁

[tropic zephyr]

maybe the apex talents will make GW do something like that

wouldn't be surprising to see GW omega buffed by apex talents

[grim spear]

make outlaw mid-ranged spec no 2?

[tropic zephyr]

wait, i mean, the pistol capstone thingy what's its name

GW

[spare dome]

give us pistol stance

[keen belfry]

https://wago.io/bYBj1kDwz @vivid vessel

is good

[spare dome]

man, im leveling brew now and this spec has so many cds

[covert heart]

It use to have way more bloat 🤣

[river maple]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[red zinc]

omg @vivid vessel they're "improving" nameplates

[vivid vessel]

wow thats impressive

[red zinc]

this is cool though

didnt think they would do that honestly

[vivid vessel]

i mena

its nothing new tho

they said that the last time already

[faint pendant]

official boss timers is new I think

[vivid vessel]

nope

i think it was in the ion interview

from like

3 /4 months ago idk

when he said they would "delete addons"

[faint pendant]

ahh

[vivid vessel]

at that time he talked about nameplates, details and bigwigs

[red zinc]

no clothes when i enter my house

holy

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

diddy party

[quaint plover]

I don't understand, with the new tier set in patchwerks X6 I gain 3.5% and when I put in Donjon slice mode I am at -0.8

[gaunt phoenix]

can you link what you are seeing

[quaint plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dP7ytMBCxJeFGBWvMiyo5W

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uDTtsxRj2EMUDaQpPsrYKt

[gaunt phoenix]

with new tier you have to swap to loaded dice instead of sleight

[quaint plover]

SOLO ur the best

[spare dome]

also did you get DN?

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[spare dome]

dn is a must with new tier set

[vivid vessel]

@red zinc

they said

you dont transmog the item anymore

but the slot

[red zinc]

ye

[vivid vessel]

you know what this could mean?

[red zinc]

thats true

no it doesnt mean that

[vivid vessel]

i mean

bro

if its the slot

[red zinc]

uncle thinks they will specifically remember rogue transmogs

[vivid vessel]

as outalw my off hand slot can be whatever

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

well no

i think you will put your off hand slot as sword

and it will be a sword no matter what

idk

[red zinc]

i sure hope so

we'll see

[vivid vessel]

if its not item based anymore

i think it will be like that

[harsh crystal]

!loot

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[quaint sable]

Thats actually huge. Wonder if it only allows weapon types ur class can use or any.

[strong halo]

name a better feeling than beating uncapped aoe classes on the 1st pull of a dungeon

[solar sorrel]

whats dn????

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[quaint mauve]

never meet ur heroes

[neat mist]

what the fuck awang

[agile quiver]

huh... Fel-Scarred is going to be between Havoc and... Devourer? is it getting name-changed?

would've thought the "consume souls" tree would be the existing tree that goes to Devourer

[frail veldt]

Omg PLEEEEEASE

Where'd you hear this

[agile quiver]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/players-will-save-thousands-of-gold-in-midnight-with-free-transmogging-378217

(the title is wrong)

[fathom holly]

guys i can not wait to play outlaw its insane

currently on vacation since thr 2nd day of season

[quaint sable]

Are ur fingers twitching yet thinking about pressing all the keys to do 0 dmg.

[wary bolt]

my rogue still wearing 649 s2 tier, just dusted him off a day ago. ilvl holding me back from invites i think haha, maybe time i break it and go with 2pc s3 + higher ilvl slots, it sims an upgrade

[hollow temple]

You can literally craft 675 for free

Almost

[red zinc]

you can craft tier pieces?

[quaint mauve]

you wouldnt believe it

[red zinc]

[wary bolt]

no, just upgrades

[quaint sable]

Catalyst is like almost crafting.

[wary bolt]

i broke my s2 4pc for s3 2pc just now, because the ilvl was significant. im just trying to quickly get ilvl up before I jump into some keys. nobody wants a 670 even for 3s i guess. but ill get some 10 dones later when friends jump on

[neat mist]

Dirty fuckin' FotM reroller

[buoyant cosmos]

Are you using your own key?

[wary bolt]

nope! i forgot until like 15 minutes ago i could get my own +2 from lindormi. was thinking i needed to run a key

so thats the plan for now, until i can get into a few 10s with loot share

kill some time, get my io high enough itll display

[buoyant cosmos]

I wish it'd show main on fresh alts

[wary bolt]

yeah thats my problem now haha, my main is only like 2700 but im sure it would go a long way to inviting a low ilvl rogue

bumped myself up to 684 already

[tender breach]

what does this mean "Also remember that Trickster tries to send Coup de Grace at normal CPs but you send it early if you would otherwise have to build with SS. This is still true after tier, so both the first and second casts of Coup would follow this optimization"?

[covert kestrel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

it means you dont press SS when coup is ready (unless you are in stealth or need to ks)

You would rather just send coup at 2cp or whatever

[tender breach]

yeah I press PS

but sometimes I need to press 2-3 times until second coup

and it feels akward

[gaunt phoenix]

Dont send a raw pistol shot

you follow the normal builder priority

But if the priority would be sinister strike then you just coup instead

[tender breach]

even if early?

[gaunt phoenix]

Ya

[tender breach]

oh

I also have deft maneuvers so if I press BF on packs to fill my CP to second coup is it ok?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[tender breach]

and if I have 2 vanish stacks I can vanish outside AR for not overcapin?

[gaunt phoenix]

You should probably wait for AR

But having 2 vanish and no AR kinda doesnt happen unless you die

[normal aurora]

Do we full send KS still? I know there was some talk about cutting it early, but don't see anything saying such anymore (might be blind)

[tender breach]

and for trickster HO I hold vanish if killing spree or coupe is ready?

[vivid vessel]

solo have you ever simmed the boe ring

its impossible right

[gaunt phoenix]

Ywah

[vivid vessel]

unless you have one in bag

unluck

[buoyant cosmos]

Are we the spec that gets screwed the most by dying?

[gaunt phoenix]

No you can add one in top gear and thrb click the +

[vivid vessel]

i think there is something about frost fire firemage

that they cant die

[vivid vessel]

oh

[tender breach]

@vivid vessel this is the new weapon enchant?

[vivid vessel]

no its just a vers enchant

its not new

[buoyant cosmos]

Gotcha, I never see people playing it

[vivid vessel]

is it ?

[tender breach]

@vivid vessel no I mean replacement to radiant power

[gaunt phoenix]

Canceling it is about the same as letting it go but there's technically some nuance to it

If you are mid on energy you should probably not cancel and let KS fill your energy

If you need cto procs for kir you should probably cancel

[vivid vessel]

ah ye idk

possibly

seems to be better for this sim

but im doing a big one rn so im unsure yet

[normal aurora]

this is how i've been playing it, thanks for the confirmation 🙂

[tender breach]

@gaunt phoenix I dont know if u answer to me but "and for trickster HO I hold vanish if killing spree or coupe is ready?"

[vivid vessel]

its so hard to sim outlaw man

[random stirrup]

From the new blizz interview:

“On the necessity of needing Weakauras to play Outlaw Rogue, from a combat design standpoint, that's a problem. If a player feels like the only way to play their class is to go to a 3rd party site, download some Weakauras, hop into WoW and then you start playing, there's probably something wrong. We're probably not giving you the best experience we can from a combat design standpoint.”

[vivid vessel]

ye and funely enough

the biggest issue

is ub

[cinder relic]

Outlaw overhaul confirmed

[vivid vessel]

guy

waht did you end up playing on dh boss

if not assa

[lime lake]

does outlaw need to exist

[cinder relic]

Sub. I don't have any outlaw gear prepped

[vivid vessel]

gg

[gaunt phoenix]

yes KS and coup have priority but sometimes you need to vanish immediately to not lose AR

[cinder relic]

Outlaw doesn't actually seem that bad on the boss idk

[vivid vessel]

imma play outalw ye

[cinder relic]

The only intermission that would have bad uptime would be the last one

[vivid vessel]

im just worried about that intermission thing

[cinder relic]

And like, even then it's not that bad

[vivid vessel]

exile told me it was bad

but ye

i can prolly make it work

[cinder relic]

The first 1 intermissions are full uptime

[vivid vessel]

ye im just talking about the frontal one

[cinder relic]

The last one u will have downtime but

Just sit on ar and shit for that phase

[gaunt phoenix]

i feel like they've all but confirmed that KIR/container shit is going to be gone or reworked

[vivid vessel]

i wnt kir to lock the buffs forever

and they have a new "locked" icon

[slate forge]

That sounds like changes we don’t get those

[vivid vessel]

and you just roll over and over if you want during kir

to fish for diff buffs

[gaunt phoenix]

what else do you "need weakaura" for

UB

[vivid vessel]

ye ub is so bad

[cinder relic]

"when to reroll"

[normal aurora]

i'd like some forgiveness on count the odds honestly. Getting none of those while KIR is off CD feels terrible

[old gull]

I just wanna play ho bro

[red zinc]

I mean when talking about law in that interview they said the issues required “expansion level changes”

Not that it would be this expansion (could also be possible)

[vivid vessel]

eh idk we havent had complex reroll rules in a while now

[red zinc]

But they are seemingly putting it off

[vivid vessel]

like rules where you need to know what buffs you have

for like

3 years now

its been a number of buff instead

which is

fine imo

[buoyant cosmos]

A lot of people probably play with that airhorn reroll now WA

[gaunt phoenix]

Well normal rtb has never required a weakaura other than seeing what buffs you have active

[buoyant cosmos]

Not that you need it, just that they use it

[tight egret]

Weakaura Requirements for Classes
The necessity of Weakauras to play a spec is a problem.
Some examples include Outlaw Rogue and the management of Festering Wounds as Unholy DK
They'll look at these and say "do they need to exist" and see if a rework is needed.

[red zinc]

Ok 😃 👍

[glass mortar]

this would be a fun direct synergy (which it feels like it should have) with supercharger yea

like kir isnt just a lock in buff cd, its also a RtB on cd cd

[slate forge]

Unholy going for the back to back rework?

[glass mortar]

to get all ur superchargers

[red zinc]

I want kir to lock the buffs and then allow you to double roll them again

Need that double bt in my life no cappy

[cinder relic]

Kir should just be a passive that gives you +1 buffs on every roll

[glass mortar]

see thats more confusing

if u can roll a specific number of times based on the duration of certain buffs left etc

[buoyant cosmos]

Take us back to deepening insight combat

[glass mortar]

would make more sense if kir buffs were just "locked in" until they expired

[red zinc]

This is the most likely scenario icl

[glass mortar]

and u could RtB freely until they ran out

to spam superchargers

[willow portal]

for Kir we roll on 2 buffs right?

[red zinc]

kir becomes apex talent and every point you put into it gives you an extra buff per roll

[gaunt phoenix]

You roll over 2 buffs only with loaded dice active

[glass mortar]

is it bad that i only roll over a 2 buff that includes broadside if im about to earn another LD as 1fth

[gaunt phoenix]

unless they are above the container

[glass mortar]

[quaint sable]

Or make kir stay a seperate button but just make it garuantee 5 buffs for 30s make it our burst cd

[glass mortar]

please dont take away my broadside

[cinder relic]

I think this all but confirms a sweeping set of changes to simplify outlaw which I'm all for tnqh

[random stirrup]

It should make you roll on cd, I like the idea of it making rtb always lock your buffs in and extend them by 5 seconds

So you roll a lot

[cinder relic]

I think the spec has too much bullshit on it atm

[red zinc]

the way they mentioned expansion level twice makes me think itll be in 12.0

surely hope so anyway

[cinder relic]

Not just resources but too much "stuff" to monitor

[jolly geyser]

true

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm honestly not super confident with a whole ass rework again. you know there will be bugs that last for 2 expansions

[red zinc]

Looking at that new zone it really makes me think k’aresh was originally not supposed to be in this xpac man

[slate forge]

I want to hit dead mobs again that was fun

[red zinc]

this raid is great but the zone feels kinda rushed and seeing the harandar stuff kinda reinforces that

Think they swapped the two around halfway through development or somethin

[glass mortar]

really?

midnight is supposed to be all about elves innit

the harandar are elves after a fashion

[gaunt phoenix]

You've said this like 4 times

[glass mortar]

seems to track for me

[red zinc]

putting a door to said new zone in a tww zone is a lil suspicious

[glass mortar]

i am surprised we barely touched on them despite them being introduced this expac tho

[buoyant cosmos]

I think all of these xpacs are going to be rushed

[glass mortar]

like

we met a new entire race but we've only met 3 of them

we havent met the actual faction

for a whole expac

[red zinc]

Doubt itll be like that in tww but theres literally a gate where it wouldve been in the underground

[glass mortar]

altho there is lore reasons they dont trust us, the druid chick has basically been exiled from her people for working with us hasnt she?

this was s2 lore i dont remember it that well

[red zinc]

Glad we get the raid in that zone next tier though

sounds sick

Some spiritual god type fight or somethin

[tidal swan]

id rather go back to fighting dragons

[red zinc]

These zones look fuckin wicked though they really shouldve put out these press kits in a better way

New quel’thalas is peak

better than azure span

[tidal swan]

nothing will top suramar

[red zinc]

If they made this new silvermoon the same colors it would no cap

[indigo token]

i swear to god

if they fuck up this rework

[gaunt phoenix]

no capo

[glass mortar]

i mean if they made the new silvermoon like suramar it could

[indigo token]

or if they rework it at all

im gonna go psycho

[glass mortar]

the thing that suramar did was scale and npcs

the city feels alive

[red zinc]

new silvermoon looks sick i just dont like the colors

[glass mortar]

undermine is the same, altho its more annoying to navigate

[gaunt phoenix]

we want a rework away from UHUH

[red zinc]

thats personal

[glass mortar]

honestly the way theyve been doing the new major cities is all pretty great

[red zinc]

uuuhhhuu

[glass mortar]

im sure silvermoon could be a banger

[slate forge]

Just scrap our hero talents please

[red zinc]

Cant wait to only see half of it

[indigo token]

uhuh?

[red zinc]

[glass mortar]

well half of it was literally destroyed no???

[gaunt phoenix]

underhanded upperhand

[glass mortar]

what if we spend the expac rebuilding it

new garrison

[red zinc]

no like

[glass mortar]

!!!!

[red zinc]

im alliance

[indigo token]

i like uhuh

[glass mortar]

oh u mean the alliance thing

[indigo token]

like its janky

[glass mortar]

xd

play a real faction

(says the worgen)

[indigo token]

but i love the flat damage profile it gives outlaw

[glass mortar]

we are rogues we are used to living in the sewers anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

Law has always been flat tho

[red zinc]

I think theyll scrap that or make it a lot less present anyway

[glass mortar]

uhuh isnt why law is flat

uhuh is why it feels turbo punishing anytime a fight forces adr to drop

you arent designed around playing the game with no adr

[red zinc]

The first statement was “only an alliance sanctuary”

[indigo token]

i dont know

[glass mortar]

law has always been flat

[indigo token]

I dont trust the devs to make it work

[gaunt phoenix]

100% expected AR uptime either doesnt matter or is just a detriment

[indigo token]

i truly dont

[jolly geyser]

hope they remove gs

[red zinc]

And then its already like “a few areas arent accessible for alliance”

[glass mortar]

well what do u mean we worked for like 10 years without uhuh

adr uptime has varied from as low as 40% to mid 60s on average

its only since the df s3 rework and uhuh that we have hit 95-100% uptime on all builds always

and by hit i mean been designed around always have adr up

[indigo token]

idk

i just dont trust the class dev (if they even exist) for outlaw to make it feel good

[glass mortar]

but you like current outlaw and they made that no?

[indigo token]

yeah

i dont want them to move away from the stuff I really enjoy about it

[glass mortar]

i dont think alot of us want the core gameplay fully reworked, but theres a lot of unnecessary friction in how our systems work

[indigo token]

squeezing in as much uptime as possible

[glass mortar]

that doesnt mesh with stuff they like to do in the game

[indigo token]

crackshot windows

[red zinc]

everyone has different things they like about things

[indigo token]

all the CDR

[glass mortar]

ur never moving away from uptime tho

[red zinc]

its always gonna be some bad some good

[indigo token]

thats fun

[glass mortar]

outlaw has always been an uptime spec

outlaw has been a flat damage heavy cdr churn uptime spec since legion

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw's gameplay been the same since bfa

we just press vanish now

[glass mortar]

that aint changing

[indigo token]

i mean vanish uptime to keep up UHUH

[glass mortar]

yea see thats just not enjoyable to me

[indigo token]

i like that part about outlaw

[tight kernel]

Liquid kills dimmy today.

[glass mortar]

because semi frequently blizzard designs content that makes it so u cant maintain adr

[red zinc]

wtf did i do

[glass mortar]

and then ur just fucked more then anyone else is

[red zinc]

oh my fault

[indigo token]

well then i dont know

are they going to make the class feel ok to use without constant adr uptime

[glass mortar]

we want the kit improved to make it have less friction with that

[tight kernel]

Liquid also kills Timmy today

[jolly geyser]

2 charges AR

[red zinc]

[normal aurora]

Gotta admit though, we do have a lot of tools to maintain uptime. More than any other class i'm pretty sure. Which feels really fun

[red zinc]

2 charges ar, 3 charges vanish, 4 charges grappling hook, 5 charges BTE, six charges RTB

[glass mortar]

7 charges of ghostly

[jolly geyser]

bunch of fucking wires dud

[red zinc]

six seven?

[gaunt phoenix]

you use them all from stealth and fire 21 coins

[glass mortar]

!!!!!!!!!!!!

[red zinc]

honestly

they should give outlaw some offgcd stuff with no internal cooldown

coin machine gun

[jolly geyser]

kir passive as you people have said would be aight

[mighty pivot]

outlaw mentioned by devs

[red zinc]

im really curious what these apex talents will take in terms of directionn

[glass mortar]

FtH no longer makes PS shoot 3 times, it now makes it so for each stack of FtH you have you can fire a low cost high damage PS off the gcd with a 0.1s icd

there u go timmy

[slate forge]

Offgcd proc that rewards me for pressing it (can’t be macrod)

[red zinc]

the only one mentioned so far is the devourer one which does like passive meteors that rain on target

wonder what they cook for outlaw

[jolly geyser]

a stronger BF

[gaunt phoenix]

[mighty pivot]

blade rush will be an apex talent

[jolly geyser]

proc

[red zinc]

(cannonballs rain on target)

[glass mortar]

make 👏 ghostly strike 👏 marked for death

[red zinc]

bear will be bears raining on target

[glass mortar]

nerf energy cost remove damage amp debuff, increase CP gen and give it 2 charges

[jolly geyser]

ghostly mark

[slate forge]

I want it to just be damage so you press it as fast as possible

[glass mortar]

ogcd cp gen is so fun as a law tho

u could save up ghostly strikes for crackshot windows to fill between lack of procs

[jolly geyser]

they def aint making the spec faster

[red zinc]

i mean

i think this is the wrong way to look at it though

fast specs are fine

[glass mortar]

reduce adr uptime

[red zinc]

just the reason for it isnt most of the time

[glass mortar]

[jolly geyser]

[glass mortar]

make it press an ogcd more often and reduce adr uptime > you could have little to no net apm change

[red zinc]

padding on apm with unnecessary ogcd spells

[indigo token]

if they want to reduce AR uptime and remove UHUH

[glass mortar]

fire mage is faster apm then us rn and they have a 1.5s gcd

[indigo token]

they have to make it feel better to not have it up

[slate forge]

Gs costing energy is criminal fk that spell

[red zinc]

like

fire blast is a great ogcd spell

[jolly geyser]

I can see them removing snd since its just there

[red zinc]

cause it actually does something cool

ghostly has no real skill expression to it

it did when you still had ER but thats gone so idk

[slate forge]

AR is just as background as snd just more impactful

[gaunt phoenix]

i really miss ER and MFD mannnnnnnn