outlaw

[bright crane]

In Sims We Trust

What Would Sims Do? (WWSD?)

[frail veldt]

depends on your focus

[copper frigate]

So after the initial subterfuge sequence for Outlaw, is it a higher prio to spend a charge of vanish or instantly KS?

[jade abyss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3S28jbXuQqBxGYhfdDtBjt

Raid focus, idk about ring or dagger

[frail veldt]

I personally dont like crafting a 2nd wep cuz I dont want to put my embel on it since I swap it out in m+ for cudgel

but for raid it might not be bad

[jade abyss]

Ah true

[frail veldt]

also it means you can play sub/assa if you want

but also a hero track dagger isnt too hard to find

[bright crane]

You also have better chances for a well-stated weapon

[jade abyss]

The sim is hectic add cleave because I Was specifically simming for Araz but it's similar to ST

[bright crane]

From m+ or raid

There’s only 1 good ring and 0 good bracers

Though I suppose u could eventually CC bracers but that won’t be for awhile

[knotty knot]

Hi guys, i sim the 4p tier set and it say me that it's worse than S2 tier set, cant find where is the prob :/ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1GvKbcxZdzxSgfs8LW2pXY

[frail veldt]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stiff vector]

I just crafted ring with free runed crest you get from quest so I could use all the guilded I Was saving up for this week

[bright crane]

You’re using sleight of hand

[stiff vector]

I will prob craft a dagger tho with next spark for OH/assa

[bright crane]

Instead of Loaded Dice

[knotty knot]

i sim with talent recommanded in outlaw faq

So supposed to be good no?

[inland acorn]

No build in faq has sleight of hand

[knotty knot]

gonna check this so

[bright crane]

This is what you run when you when s3 4p

For m+

[knotty knot]

it's what i've sim

[inland acorn]

bro

[knotty knot]

The first sim Bis m+ 5.103 (-19300) is with this build

[gaunt phoenix]

u need 19% haste

to play kir

[knotty knot]

This is the same talent tree that you send we're ok with this?

[gaunt phoenix]

You have 12%

[bright crane]

Yeha you’re right I missed that you summed the diff build

[knotty knot]

So i miss this much dmg from the haste diff?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, you need haste to cap the gcd reduction from AR

[inland acorn]

you don't have 0.8gcd without haste

[mighty pivot]

surely they will fix this haste cringe in midnight

[inland acorn]

Nah

I think next we'll get is

mastery tax

[mighty pivot]

BF loses % unless you have mastery. I like it

[bright crane]

Your sub runs out faster if you’re below 30% mastery

And by sub I mean your wow subscription

[mighty pivot]

isn't that a buff

[knotty knot]

So should i play new builds + 4p S3, loss 20k damages and go like this and looking for more haste intead of stay with Ho build with 12% ?

[inland acorn]

use

haste flask

it's like 5%

it will get you to ~18% which should be decent

[gaunt phoenix]

put haste in cloak

flask

boom 19%

[knotty knot]

will sim with haste

[cedar kernel]

yea and better blast damage

[inland acorn]

30% is too low

[cedar kernel]

[mighty pivot]

haste flask is ~4% and haste fiber is like what, almost 3%

[cedar kernel]

i rly want to use haste flask

[inland acorn]

i have rn 25% and have almost 0 mastery on gear outside of tier pieces

[cedar kernel]

to increase my dmg

[knotty knot]

did i put hast fiber too?

[inland acorn]

just try with flask for now

and run another sim with flask + fiber

[mighty pivot]

with 12% haste they will need both most likely

but yeah sim

[knotty knot]

Bit better, fiber + flask, may sim with haste gem

[inland acorn]

can also try ring enchants rather than gems

[frail veldt]

In my experience it's better to try to trade other secondaries for haste that are not vers

So try to trade crit for haste

You can't always do it though

[mighty pivot]

the crafted ring is crit vers so it's possible in this case

[frail veldt]

Yeah I would swap that to haste vers before considering changing cloak from vers to haste

[mossy dune]

are haste break points the same as last patch or have they changed with the new tier set?

[mighty pivot]

changing the ring alone might be enough to move back to vers flask & fiber tbh

[frail veldt]

I think it wasnt until like 36% vers that my sim wanted crit flask over vers and t was only like .3%

[frail veldt]

Same

[mighty pivot]

4k stats from ring, 2.6-2.8k from flask and 1.7k from fiber

[knotty knot]

well, i tought about recraft ring this week so i can change stats and see

Thx for your helps guys, i'm gonna sleep and see this tomorrow

[cedar kernel]

17mins left

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[copper radish]

loling at the LFG showing "player is flagged as a keystone deserter" these people will never get groups again

[sudden fulcrum]

are you aware that you just complete a key to remove that?

[wintry solar]

I saw the post about 11.2.5 and got excited

Just stuff we already knew

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB some time before entering dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks. These 2 stacks don't expire.
• When you enter dungeon, AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

our prekey is growing

[keen belfry]

Oh shit fine

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[red zinc]

wadafak

those legion remix sets are so fresh

[cedar kernel]

brothers lets see

[cedar kernel]

solo so the first KS does not rely on the vanish?

[red zinc]

you need to time a +25 in legion remix for this one

my gawd

[worldly shale]

HOLY

[random stirrup]

ks will consume the supercharger right

should be ar ks rtb

[cedar kernel]

oh wait nvm i misread

[wintry solar]

I made the same mistake too Bac

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[worldly shale]

That will be obsolete so fast

[gaunt phoenix]

then loaded dice might expire waiting for rtb

[random stirrup]

oh that uses up ld

[red zinc]

yeah its probably the second easiest out of all the colors

[cedar kernel]

okay

[random stirrup]

rtb rtb ar ks gate rtb

[red zinc]

mythic raid and 100 world quests on high world tier for the other ones

[cedar kernel]

the only thing we could get is the chest

very goon very goon

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah 4 stacks of supercharger would work lmao

[worldly shale]

world quests are jarring af, myth raid will be ez too

[red zinc]

im not too certain

[worldly shale]

in pandaria we were jogging on raids XD

[red zinc]

havent looked into it that much but progression doesnt seem as infinite

[worldly shale]

ooooh

then might be harder

thought its the same exact concept

[red zinc]

ill have a look theres barely been any info about it

[cedar kernel]

brothers which one is eaiser

[red zinc]

delves

just 1 delve

[whole plover]

delve

[cedar kernel]

fair

[red zinc]

gotta do that anyway

[worldly shale]

delve yeah, but i just took karesh world quest since im doing it anyway

for rep

xd

what rep are u guys on?

[junior coral]

any one know what the WA is that shows what bosses ppl killed on that lock out for pugging people? so we dont get less loot

[red zinc]

i think mrt has it but thats an addon

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[red zinc]

idk about WA

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel you like this

[worldly shale]

i acc cba, is that bad lol
stacked them for vault until i got tier, now idc

got like 8 keys

[vivid vessel]

why twice

it goes down to 2

[gaunt phoenix]

because ks consumes one

[vivid vessel]

ah ye sure

[junior coral]

ohh dfo you know which addon

[red zinc]

Method raid tools (MRT)

[eternal ore]

hey, returning player from the first patch of this exp, is there any big change from .1 til now? I just read the faq and didn't find anything special, asking just in case

[red zinc]

maybe its called something else now idk havent raided in a bit

[cedar kernel]

i fougot KS dont need to uh

target

i thought we were using old ks

[gaunt phoenix]

its the only icon moroes recognizes

[vivid vessel]

[cedar kernel]

something live in history fr

okay the last thing i need rn is a crit vers craft ring

then we begin to push

lets see how much i can push

wait is it theres a bug?

i miss 1 spark

wth

but its 4/4

[lime lake]

[cedar kernel]

i just realized that i might didnt get the spark last week after finish the quest

[serene cosmos]

You cooked well

[cedar kernel]

oh wait nvm

i put it into the stash

[red zinc]

ok not the exact same but it is infinite

gotta go through a whole tree first though

[grim spear]

sacbrood didn’t get one for the whole s1

[strong halo]

What enchant makes it glow purple

[cedar kernel]

this one

[long barn]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[midnight granite]

worth?

[cedar kernel]

omg

[plush basalt]

!guide

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[covert kestrel]

how much

[midnight granite]

too much to be worth

I didn't know they could only roll 1 satat

1.5m

[cedar kernel]

it even not existing in my server

[nocturne talon]

Hi Everyone,

I hope this message finds you well.

Do we weak auras to keep track of flawless form, escalating blade and killing spree? Thank you

[cedar kernel]

yes

[nocturne talon]

Where can I find them? Thank you so much

[torpid fiber]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[torpid fiber]

you have to use the Unseen Blade tracker here for that one, iirc the rest of them you can just grab from a pack or cook up yourself

[nocturne talon]

absolute god send

[torpid fiber]

But for whatever reason Unseen Blade isn't trackable in the standard way so we have a brilliant WA that tracks it instead

[hexed pulsar]

how viable is ho build this patch??

[copper radish]

we have acquired the four set boys

[mighty pivot]

wait what did I miss? I thought they removed UB prestacking when 11.2 was on ptr

[vivid vessel]

nah

ptr is just weird

[gaunt phoenix]

they didnt bring it to live i guess

[vivid vessel]

nah

the bubble on ptr

it scales you

during the bubble

and its kinda like when ytou change talent and shit

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[vivid vessel]

reset a bunch of things

like you lose LD aswell on ptr

you lose 2 cp also weirdly

[mighty pivot]

did they not bring the shaman prestacking as well? They explicitly mentioned that one iirc so I thought they were targetting all prestacking

[vivid vessel]

like you go from 7 to 5

idk

who cares

this isnt prestacking

just press 1 button before key

easy enough

[mighty pivot]

I mean it literally is, it's just not waiting 10 minutes of lightning

[late swallow]

They don’t even know about the lucky streak prestack gear swapping tech

[mighty pivot]

it would've been more funny if unequipping the tier set made it so that the lucky streak stacks cannot be removed

[late swallow]

You went and tested it didn’t you

[old gull]

so with 2/2 pce, do i still run fate in keys?

[gaunt phoenix]

nah

[mighty pivot]

of course. we both know blizzard could've allowed that to happen

[sullen wyvern]

does anyone else Coup > KS > 2nd coup?

is it a dps loss? feels so good to do that

[gaunt phoenix]

you are supposed to do it

Ks has priority over coup

first or second

[sullen wyvern]

solo what if during a shit vanish window

I get coup

I still send BTE right?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[sullen wyvern]

even if I have to keep spamming SS in it?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[wintry solar]

Could you imagine KS in a vanish window?

[sullen wyvern]

it feels so awful

[wintry solar]

It'd be so aids

[sullen wyvern]

I do, whjenever I fuck up

[wintry solar]

I only do it in pvp

Only way to win on opener

But in pve I'd vomit fr

[frail veldt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[frail veldt]

Is anyone using the restelath potion in m+?

[vivid vessel]

idk i tried it a bit on ptr

[frail veldt]

whats it called

[vivid vessel]

but its annoying to find a time to use it

uh

idk

and also its buggy

[frail veldt]

yeah we almost have too many vanishes

[vivid vessel]

same as meld

[frail veldt]

esp since I run meld

like do I really need another?

I feel like I wouldnt even be able to use it

[sour epoch]

for elemental focusing lens, do using more different colors of gems = more damage or can u just use for instance blue gems

wasnt sure how important stacking the Culminating Blasphemite effect was

[frail veldt]

gem diversity doesnt matter

for that

[sour epoch]

Gotcha

[cedar kernel]

DUO TANK AGAIN

[digital linden]

anyone good at reading outlaw logs willing to give a look at mine and tell me what im doing wrong?

[near rock]

thats right boys outlaw is the best spec for loomithar u heard it here first

sin rogues smh

[cedar kernel]

gz ots

[near rock]

(dont look at the ilvl diff)

[vivid vessel]

nice ilvl cuh !

i got an outalw weapon ots

[near rock]

pog

[vivid vessel]

cause im gonna play outlaw on dh boss

[near rock]

I got a sin wep

[vivid vessel]

and fractilus

gg

[vivid vessel]

im actually so happy

all melees are terrible this tier

[near rock]

prob playing sin on dimensius or somethin

[vivid vessel]

so we dont have many people taking mlee weapons haha

well sub you mean

[near rock]

ye or sub

they're both braindead

[vivid vessel]

ye its sub

sub is just so op this tier

i like how its prolly like the lowest simming spec in the game

haha

oh well

[hollow temple]

[cedar kernel]

[vivid vessel]

[fathom bramble]

imagine having strengths to leverage instead of relying on being tuned high

[vivid vessel]

ye

it is what it is

they still managed to complain all of ptr btw

sub in prog

[cedar kernel]

how does the street feels like this week

still the hardest?

or better

[vivid vessel]

the timer is very lenient

[cedar kernel]

thats good

lets try it once

i am waiting for the cat bro to be online

cat bro

[digital linden]

!log

[quaint wharf]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[quaint wharf]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• :ks: KS Ticking damage taken

[tidal wave]

Nice job!

[copper radish]

getting the boots that boost the cape makes this thing do so much dmg in keys lol

[past sky]

i got a hero track lily last night and its simming higher than one of my old 684s - is there any particular optimal timing for it? like pop it on a big trash pull?

i thought i remembered house of cards only being good in some situations for us

[quick quail]

how long are we gonna be using it? Or until the end of season for big pulls like the previous season if I am lucky mf to drop it from the second weekly?

[violet ferry]

#outlaw message

I was actually just looking at it because I'm convincing myself that it's worth it to farm Floodgate for a heroic track helm to catalyze (not a single helm in 36 M+ runs so far) since Floodgate can also drop the nice dagger for Offhand

But I only have the adventurer track cudgel for now

[quick quail]

Yep I have been using it the whole season but for bosses you still want to swap. The damage is insane

[past sky]

i just simmed my 678 cudgel in dslice vs the 720 dagger i crafted last night and it was still better by 6k

not sure i care about 6k enough to keep pressing the macro considering i forget to switch back sometimes

[quaint mauve]

im only gonna use it if i get the 691

im sticking with my dagger oh

[cedar kernel]

@gaunt phoenix solo lord i found one thing in !wa, does the KS Ticking thing no longer exist even the icon gone

[gaunt phoenix]

ya it's not relevant anymore

[cedar kernel]

no longer damage in KS

good skill good skill

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• :ks: KS Ticking damage taken

[gaunt phoenix]

[cedar kernel]

moroes dunno what is ks

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[cedar kernel]

okay he got it

[gaunt phoenix]

[rotund token]

guys, advice please ❤️ Should I use catalyst on champion legs and head or wait for heroic ? I am trying my best to farm those 2 pieces but no luck, getting frustrated to hell. Got heroic Chest and mythic Shoulder in bags. Thanks !

[cedar kernel]

wait for heroic

[rotund token]

yea, thought so, thanks

[cedar kernel]

bc once u get the heroic set, u will have lots of choice for trinket and neck also ring in vault

better for after

[rotund token]

true, appreciated.

[old gull]

second craft be to get rid of this fuckin belt?

[rotund zodiac]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[late swallow]

[violet ferry]

Yeah, wondering when we should ditch the DISC belt

[rotund zodiac]

Mythic belt ig

[peak holly]

I just swap from the previous tier and the new one feels awful

[frail veldt]

Man the new 4 set is so rough to get used to as trickster

Just feels so bad with the random procs

Find myself having to low CP coup a lot or do awkward shit

[wintry solar]

Smoke bomb in outlaw tree

Make it happen blizz

Don't put it in trickster tree. I don't want sub to have nice things.

[cedar kernel]

no way!!

god blessed me

[violet ferry]

[fast cloak]

Is anyone else having a weird phase when they first engage a boss in raid and have instant energy issues for entire opener

[glass mortar]

what the fuck

is streets

how do u make a key where every boss mechanic is just rng downtime

[fast cloak]

Streets worst key ever for outlaw

[glass mortar]

i got disarm > fixate > disarmed and did zero damage on first boss

dropped adr twice and never recovered

[carmine ferry]

I've been dealing with energy issues way more this season than the previous one

[glass mortar]

didnt proc BS once the whole fight as 1 fth

[carmine ferry]

But i figured it was just ADR control

[vapid sundial]

yoooo

see you there big dawg

[ivory brook]

Cloak before the fixate happens

[next wedge]

yo im noticing that my vanish is just getting eaten half the time on dimmy

is there a reason that's happening on that fight?

[wintry solar]

Average arena match since df

[fast cloak]

It cant be RNG cuz its really consistent for me rn but im running 2p/2p also

[gaunt phoenix]

2/2 is abit prone to rng

[fast cloak]

RIP then thats the issue Im guessing

But how does that affect the energy issue

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe the lack of resources from old 4pc is exposing the impact of mistakes a bit more

[carmine ferry]

I think it can also be Using Ambush with KIR

[carmine ferry]

For Fatebound 4PC reduces ADR CD

[fast cloak]

That makes sense yea

Just seemed weird to be energy starved in first 3 seconds of fight

Engage, BtE 2 times... out of energy

[gaunt phoenix]

But old 4pc doesnt change that

unless you 5 buff on pull

[fast cloak]

I also wasnt running KiR

Now that I am, I think maybe I am trying to adjust?

[strong halo]

Any thing cool to use untethered coins on?

[proper bear]

Dimensius feels absolutely terrible on outlaw

[tidal wave]

Why?

[proper bear]

The movement mechs and intermissions

Uptime/buff uptime just isn’t fun on it imo

Watching AR drain while you’re getting sucked by RP feels bad. Or holding to not get sucked

[gaunt phoenix]

opener screwed

hitbox is negative 3

flying, twice

burn phase after forced RP

[glass mortar]

this is like the worst outlaw fight theyve made

possibly ever

at least for modern outlaw

[proper bear]

^

[next wedge]

you can at least stealth in the air

before the burn phase

[proper bear]

Not while you’re starting the fight

It’s like comical how bad it’s designed for law

[next wedge]

yeah not there but while you're falling into the last boss arena

i kept up my AR that way just now

[glass mortar]

and the only damage profile u can play on it is fatebound cause theres so little cleave

[proper bear]

Ok it’s saved

[glass mortar]

but u still get fucked by the targetable walls

[proper bear]

Confirmed best fight for law

[glass mortar]

as it turns off 10% of ur fatebound damage on the add

whenever its nearby

xd

its very funny

[next wedge]

im not defending the fight im just sharing some tech

jesus

[torpid fiber]

oh nice

[proper bear]

Appreciate the tech, am trolling

[glass mortar]

the last phase is our best phase and we r still trashed at it cause damage amp

its just

[tidal wave]

Fine, lol.

[glass mortar]

could barely imagine a worse boss for this law

[proper bear]

Don’t test it

[next wedge]

yeah dude they need to increase that hitbox by a lot

[torpid fiber]

Wait, like stealth stealth or just vanish

[wintry solar]

Don't give them ideas

[next wedge]

vanish sorry

[torpid fiber]

Ah

[wintry solar]

SL outlaw didn't have it this bad. Just saying >.>

[next wedge]

also i had a trinket macro'd onto my vanish

but it was literally taking away my whole stealth window

this shit

[torpid fiber]

Average subt bug

[next wedge]

i couldnt figure out why i was so shit at dpsing

[torpid fiber]

Do you not have a subterfuge duration tracker?

[next wedge]

i do i just didnt realize it for like 5 pulls

[torpid fiber]

Ah lmao

[stiff vector]

big cursed idol pump

[frail veldt]

lol yes

thats just outlaw unfortunately

sometimes you get no FF and no SS procs

[glossy creek]

how hard is outlaw to play on soul hunters

ive only rlly been playing ass

[cedar kernel]

13+ flood

thats

absolutely

crazy

my hands still shaking

so crazy

idk i just cant make my dmg higher

seems like i cant change some bad habit

[keen belfry]

its hard bac

keep palying and be critical of yourself

=gg

[tender wedge]

Also have your tank pull really nicely for you

[worthy elm]

What are people doing for opener on Heroid Dimensius?

[keen belfry]

wogn chat

i wrong chatted dmg meter rbagging

srory

[jovial dock]

has anyone played fatebound in keys with new 2 set? i can 2 set rn been playing trickster with old tier..worth to 2 set and swap fatebound till 4 set or just stay with old tier + trickster

[tall island]

Yeah, simmed higher but felt under whelming

[jovial dock]

interesting.. mines simming a little lower but felt maybe the better single targ would make it better

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe in streets

[stiff vector]

i swear the mages in lower keys are the biggest rats, them mfers NEVER press their stops or util meanwhile im blinding/kidneying during subt

[frail veldt]

At what key level do you get the portal to a dungeon?

[gaunt phoenix]

10 prolly

[frail veldt]

then wtf

I dont have eco dome or tazavesh

and I have both over 10

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe need both tazaveshes

[stiff vector]

noob didnt have portal from SL

[frail veldt]

hell nah I didnt pve that season

fuck mega dungeons

they dont belong in m+

[late swallow]

agreed

[tall island]

I got one for dome but not for gambit.. not it matters much but still

[late swallow]

we need more micro dungeons in the m+ pool

one boss + one hallway

like stormwind stockade or some shit

15 min timer

get in and get it

[proper bear]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-this-idea-robert-herjavec-dragons-den-what-a-great-idea-good-thinking-gif-26827222

[worldly pawn]

Hi guys

Please can someone give me some feedback on my logs pls?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bJydgp241ath9XWR?fight=32&source=13&type=damage-done

I know I'm doing something wrong but I dont know what... That fight I felt like a did a good rotation. Not a perfect one but good

But still I'n not being able to get too much dps D:

[pearl topaz]

why cant we just have a button that freezes AR (stopping the effect until you unfreeze obvs)

they are only going to add more of these types of mechanics as they get rid of weakaura-based fights

[fallen mural]

HUGE!!!

[strong halo]

I did same thing it’s just rough, lock had 30m on first pull idk how to catch up to that

[cedar kernel]

uncapped

[glossy pewter]

ok, any UI gurus know how I can get rid of the little particle bullshit on the Extra Action Button? shit overlaps and pisses me off

[strong halo]

I got up to 14-15 mil on first pull felt like I couldn’t do more

Idk

We might be cooked this season

Should we close the discord like ret babies?

For buffs

[sullen wyvern]

Did they close the discord so they can get buffs?

[quaint sable]

Why is ur first adren rush at 27s and not on pull?
You also do 2 vanish windows before sending your first killing spree.
You seem to not press KS enough. You should be able to get as many ks casts as adren casts.

Your adren uptime is also slightly low.

[quaint sable]

Ye one of the mods threw a tantrum 😄

[strong halo]

Some one share the screenshot

[wintry solar]

The ret channel was closed.

[strong halo]

^

Not like I’ve seen ret pallies do 10m overall in keys this week

Every pull and 5m on bosses

[wintry solar]

They got a 5% buff after that which was funny. I doubt it was because of the protest but it's funnier to think that's the case.

[strong halo]

It’s funny to act like that over tuning week 2 into season

[wintry solar]

"Here's 5% now shut up"

[quaint sable]

They even complained the 5% wasnt enough

[sullen wyvern]

Thye've been doing insane damage in raid and most of my keys

[late swallow]

ret players stay eating their boogers and changing their colostomy bags

[strong halo]

I swear to god I did a HoA with a ret pally he ended with 10m overall

[sullen wyvern]

so far i've been able to perform on the keys I've done, doing 15 mill max damage on FG firt pull, I think it's normal and expected?

yeah it kinda sucks watching MM doing 30m burst on that pull

but it usually evens out throughout the key

[strong halo]

No way you end at 15? I hit 15 and end at 10

[sullen wyvern]

I've been pulling 10-11 mill dps on big momma

[sullen wyvern]

back to back aces

peaked 15 mill went down to like 10 or 11

[late swallow]

zac was doing 17-22 mill on packs last season

[quaint sable]

If u have an MM doing 30M the pack dies fast enough to end at 15

[strong halo]

My lock hit 30m at end and peaked at 40

[strong halo]

Yeah which is sad because I haven’t seen him do that this tier maybe 17

[sullen wyvern]

I don't think that neccesarily means outlaw is bad

is just how it is

Next pull they are doing 5 mill

Im still doing 10 mill

[dawn talon]

it just feels bad doing less damage with more gear

[sullen wyvern]

duo boss I end up at 4-5, it tends to even out

We just have no burst

Lust doesnt do shit on us

we are hard capped

[violet ferry]

Rets: "we're closing our discord until we get buffs"
Devs: "Oh sorry precious babies, here's an immediate buff uwu"
Outlaws: "we're closing our discord until we get buffs"
Devs: "Why is this insect addressing me?"

[strong halo]

I’m ok with our dmg profile

[prisma sapphire]

it feels shitty with new 4p compared to old 4p

[sullen wyvern]

TBH

[strong halo]

But our St feels like it’s shit

[prisma sapphire]

i was excited about double coup but nah

[sullen wyvern]

A well landed KS is pretty bursty

[strong halo]

So it feels awful

How are locks doing more aoe and ST

[sullen wyvern]

I've been close to 20mill thanks to KS during those 2 seconds but it goes down quickly

[pearl topaz]

mages are holding grudges since Vanilla, world of roguecraft did untold damage to rogues

[strong halo]

Last season I felt like I could compete with anyone

This tier some classes feel like I don’t have a chance

[late swallow]

@vivid vessel grats on AOTC king

[covert kestrel]

[bright crane]

i mean they usually tune after rwf ends no?

[late swallow]

yeah they'll give it a week or so for some guilds to catch up

sometimes they'll wait for HOF

[bright crane]

so hopefully things work out

[cedar kernel]

i exploded all

[strong halo]

Flood?

[late swallow]

did the same thing after I saw the last levi's commercial

[strong halo]

That dk sucks

But idk why they are either gods or mid

[bright crane]

as with most fotm specs

[cedar kernel]

hall

[strong halo]

It’s such an easy spec tho

[teal garnet]

Outlaw feels so good rn

[next wedge]

no ur supposed to sandbag so we get buffs

outlaw is so bad we're closing the outlaw channel

[teal garnet]

lmao

[quaint mauve]

shut down the the chat

and beg

[next wedge]

triple OL key join up!!

[quaint mauve]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

WAIT ME

PLEASE

i wont forgive u for getting hopes up

[next wedge]

🙁

first come first serve

[jovial dock]

so which is it? lol cuz the macro for the "opener" has AR casting 1st

[quaint sable]

The macro is to address that issue. Reason it cancels stealth.

[jovial dock]

ohhhh ok makes sense

[rich moon]

guys, should I only use KS out of stealth or should I use on CD?

[jovial dock]

higheszt priority finisher outside of subterfuge window

[rich moon]

so I should not use KS during subterfuge?

[quaint mauve]

someone shoot me bro

holy shit

[jovial dock]

no

[rich moon]

so only out of stealth and subterfuge

[quaint mauve]

yes

[jovial dock]

yes always bte whenever in a window and KS highest prio out of windows

[rich moon]

hey, that main gauche must be hitting as hard a SS

[rich moon]

kk

[quaint mauve]

never KS or coup inside crackshot windows

[quaint mauve]

its the world telling me to just go sub or sin

[jovial dock]

would you guys lose ~300k dps in aoe for ~600k st in keys or no.. i cant make a decision

[pure folio]

are these ur outlaw stats

[jovial dock]

i have a good bit of master too but atleast my haste is ok

[keen belfry]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[wintry solar]

God bless

What an essay

[jade crag]

That's outlaw in a shellnut

[jovial dock]

does this still apply w/o new tier ? we would just do it for the unseen blade procs anyway right ?

[rich moon]

I think this applies to new tier since you can now use KS without a target

[next wedge]

tbh im not doing all that

[wintry solar]

Just doing the classic adr into rtb

[next wedge]

i rtb before key starts once

[jovial dock]

well it can be done regardless of tier

[rotund zodiac]

I heard you can use s2 set to farm winning streak stacks and it stays when you swap to s3 set

Can anyone confirm this works in keys?

[haughty wigeon]

i mean

that sounds degen af

and also sounds like a thing thats gonna be fixed if true

[quaint mauve]

yes and no

this is just my highest ivl gear

which sadly fucks me

[rotund zodiac]

I refuse to swap to new gears cuz they’ll mess up my stats

Waiting for the right gears to drop

[sacred rune]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[rotund zodiac]

Fucking haste tax, I hope this change in next expansion

[river maple]

How much haste is 18%?

[rotund zodiac]

About 12500

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy topaz]

I just got omega flamed

for playing outlaw

[keen belfry]

mhm

[grizzled heron]

kazzak player

opinion ignored

[balmy topaz]

YUp

[grizzled heron]

its that simple

[cedar kernel]

💀

the stone keep switching between flood and street

[eternal kite]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[cedar kernel]

[hardy thicket]

Did key deplete or

[quaint mauve]

people find any excuse

[willow portal]

why would anyone set that aside from being sus?

[quaint mauve]

insecure abt parses

only reason

[willow portal]

hes also taking a involuntary 30 day wow break now

[balmy topaz]

Ye

To update

I got in a new group

[willow portal]

and on his raiderio we saw him suddenly play 18s endof last season

[balmy topaz]

and the group leader told me

he /w him

trying get him to kick me

[quaint mauve]

bro holy

[willow portal]

SUPER trash tho

[quaint mauve]

like people r so weird

[balmy topaz]

Super trash

[willow portal]

not low trash

[balmy topaz]

cus i don't play

assa

[willow portal]

i am lowkey regretting not giving assa a shot

[quaint mauve]

me when my comp isn’t fotm for my 14s(?)

[quaint mauve]

it’s sooooooo boring

[willow portal]

outlaw is fun tho, if only uptime wasnt as much of a struggle

[quaint mauve]

SOOOOOOO boring

if it makes u feel better ruby

i got called a slur on a52 for playing ol

[willow portal]

i managed a 93,5% ar uptime halls yesterday

[cedar kernel]

ur trash? no way, fuck the hunter

ruby the best

[balmy topaz]

no you da best bac

[quaint mauve]

ruby more like

[balmy topaz]

[quaint mauve]

goatby

heh

get it guys

[balmy topaz]

❤️

[cedar kernel]

ty ruby but i am noob

[balmy topaz]

You are not noob

you amazing

[cedar kernel]

low score noob

[balmy topaz]

[cedar kernel]

[balmy topaz]

Bro you done 14 streets

you can do it all

[quaint mauve]

hey man if it makes u feel better

[willow portal]

boosted obvious

[quaint mauve]

i don’t have a single 14 done

[cedar kernel]

steets is easy rn

[willow portal]

cant just do a 14

smh

[quaint mauve]

timed atleast

[balmy topaz]

You'' do it

[quaint mauve]

im like

hardstuck 13s

[hardy thicket]

[quaint mauve]

can’t time streets or ara

im too bad

or dawn somehow

[willow portal]

isnt streets way more chill now?

[cedar kernel]

street this week

tbh

is easy as fuck

[quaint mauve]

i haven’t attempted this week

[balmy topaz]

Have a guess merz

[quaint mauve]

so

[cedar kernel]

yea

[balmy topaz]

who key it was

[quaint mauve]

we will see

[cedar kernel]

very easy like zac said

[hardy thicket]

[willow portal]

did they remove a pack from theater boss in streets?

[hardy thicket]

The irony of a hunter thinking someone didnt play a certain spec inted their key

[balmy topaz]

He played mm

swear BM is the way

[balmy topaz]

Yup

[willow portal]

not even surv smh

[balmy topaz]

it's goated

[cedar kernel]

yea also it wont explode now

just a little dmg

very little

35 mins and the dmg make it too easy

[jovial dock]

aug go br this season or nah? (kinda just started so idk)

[halcyon veldt]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

i swear they’re like pretty decent rn

[frail veldt]

streets timer is a meme

I swear lol

you can like rp walk through that place

[jovial dock]

i love em

tanky tanky

[balmy topaz]

Ye I did a 15

3:30 left

[tall island]

that EU Kazzak? how does one server manage to get so many spanners all in one place

[balmy topaz]

ye

[fallen knot]

also yes assa good, but i legit deal more damage as outlaw because assa tilts me to space and i cant play it

people dont understand this

[frank finch]

does upgrading the cantrip boots to 6/6 heroic turn it into mythiic?

[balmy topaz]

I'm gonna say no

Surely right

[frank finch]

[balmy topaz]

Right

who's gonna be test subject 001

[frank finch]

thats an omega feelsbad test

[balmy topaz]

Yea...

I mean

it's heavy vers

so it's not the worst

[cinder relic]

no

they are each unique based on their difficulty

[fluid meadow]

gambit low keylvl hardest dungeon ever with 3 mechanic there for players?

[torpid fiber]

Gambit used to be even more fucked up in pug keys

First boss didn't show colours above the console to people not near it

[fluid meadow]

man 30-40 deaths/run at +8 i can't

[dim widget]

No

[frank finch]

[agile quiver]

is PTR still open? could import and test there

[frank finch]

smarter ppl then me said no

[fluid meadow]

with new group abandon system will we see the 30-40% depletes in overall cause it counts? would be interesting and real numbers at least

[grim vapor]

hi guys is it worth it as outlaw to play Bubbling Wax instead of Ironclaw whetstone in m+ ? as weapon enchantment

[dim widget]

I think guy or solo did math and optimum was 1 wax + 1 whetstone

But if in doubt

[west quartz]

what are the best add ons for outlaw

[grim vapor]

ok ok

thanks guys!

[torpid fiber]

WeakAuras2

[worldly shale]

Gathermate2

[violet ice]

is reroll logic been the same for a long time now or is it different

is there a weakaura for it ?

[acoustic minnow]

Morning folks. I recently swapped to my Rogue alt, which was Sub back in S1 but not played much in S2. I went with Outlaw cause I like how it plays, but it feels like my damage is subpar. I follow Hekili and Wowhead and while my gear currently has too much Mastery (9,6K) I barely pull over 2.2m dps at 700 ilvl on Plexus HC while people 10-20 ilvls below me do way more. Here's the Details ss from last night, but I don't have logs unfortunately.

Does anything look off at a glance here?

Although this was without Tier bonus

[violet ice]

with super charger when 2 combo points is lit up do we use finisher or still go to 7

i havent played outlaw in so long

[torpid fiber]

Supercharger doesn't change finisher cp conditions

They don't work like old echoing reprimand points, they're just entirely passive on your next 2 finishers

[violet ice]

so what does it fo

o ok

and we still vanish for between the eyes correct to span bte

[torpid fiber]

Yeah but there's conditions now bc some stuff is more important

[weary fog]

are u playing keep it rolling with ambush on ur bars?

cuz that build doesnt use ambush

[lofty pike]

How Bad am i, If i Deal more ST DMG as trickster than FB?

[acoustic minnow]

Oh shit. Remnant of an old build.

[torpid fiber]

how much tier, what do sims say, what fight, what build

[lofty pike]

New 4pc, Sims say FB Deals more, Fight is the 2nd boss

[torpid fiber]

Fatebound is so passive that I kinda don't believe that's possible

oh second boss has adds right? Let me check

[acoustic minnow]

I guess that explains that macro that has been posted here before

[lofty pike]

Or even Nexus King, i Deal more DMG to him in 3rd Phase AS trickster than AS fb

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel https://www.wowhead.com/news/sargerei-commander-sets-rewarded-from-achievements-in-legion-remix-378268

Looks cool no cappy

[torpid fiber]

I kinda don't understand how this is possible ngl, I'm pretty sure if you play fatebound with the exact same rules as trickster minus coup you'd do more st

[lofty pike]

Maybe Coup is saving my ar uptime? If i fuck Up?

[torpid fiber]

Maybe, but fatebound 4p should also be doing that

[acoustic minnow]

I don't really like KIR, is HO that far behind? 😅

[torpid fiber]

It's playable but it's like 5-10% worse iirc is the number

[weary fog]

its like 4% behind ish

its worse in aoe depending on taregt count

whats ur haste rn?

[acoustic minnow]

🙁 RTB kept me off of Outlaw for a long time despite liking the spec otherwise, now KIR does the same 😅

Unbuffed stats (with 9,4K Mast, WIP)

[torpid fiber]

Honestly kir plays closer to pre-df outlaw than ho does (that's why I like it tbh)

[weary fog]

is this in stealth?

[acoustic minnow]

Nope

[halcyon veldt]

Hello guys, my AR uptime is around 70% ish in every +10... sounds bad, is it THAT bad ? (only have 2p)

[weary fog]

thats definitely a lot of haste

[weary fog]

ho without last seasons tier is gonna make rtb feel kinda shit just keep that in mind

[acoustic minnow]

Yeah I was going off of the understanding that I needed 24% Haste, but I see now it's 17-20%. I can drop some easily with gems and recraft

[acoustic minnow]

It feels bad in general

[weary fog]

u wanna shoot for ~90%

[acoustic minnow]

Also I have Sacbrood, which is where a lot of Haste is from

[halcyon veldt]

god, im terrible at the game then...

[acoustic minnow]

22% without it

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw is hard and takes practice

It gets easier the more you play

[halcyon veldt]

Think I need to focus on the "do not press vanish if AR not up"

and to monitor the AR debuff so I dont overlap by pressing it again

[weary fog]

pressing AR on cd is fine

[acoustic minnow]

-# (Except if the boss is about to go immune)

[weary fog]

yeah if theres forced downtime dont press it but u wanna get it on cd so ur not wasting a bunch of cdr

[halcyon veldt]

yeah but how can u have 90% uptime overall if you prss it on CD ? :x seems imposible to me if you aint managin your vanish, right ?

[acoustic minnow]

4set with Lucky Coin reduces the cd

[halcyon veldt]

oh

so hard to aim for 90% if you 2P as I am

good to know

[weary fog]

well no

u can get 90 with proper rotation without fatebound

[halcyon veldt]

with KiR + Trickster ?

[weary fog]

everything in outlaws rotation can contribute to adr uptime so its just making sure ur doing it right and not missing gcds

[violet ice]

can we macro ghostly strike with anything?

[torpid fiber]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[halcyon veldt]

disc guide says yes

[violet ice]

with what

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[lean root]

if i switch to HO is it problem cus i have waz more then 9% haste _

[cedar bone]

did you guys craft ring?

[balmy topaz]

I did

But only cus

I am not in mythic yet

until end of week

[cedar bone]

what stats did you take?

[frank finch]

gotta love our stats sometimes

65k for this

yoink

[balmy topaz]

Crit vers

[smoky whale]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[runic parrot]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into :ks: KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• :ks: KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[violet ice]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[midnight ridge]

thats the item i was hoping to get from delve map

why this even exists

[torpid fiber]

Probably useful in delves

[edgy phoenix]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[radiant vessel]

is this too much verse - sims are telling me to go crit fibre in cloak

[dim widget]

Double check you are simming correct and trust the sims

[tribal pagoda]

question: sims say 5% dps loss (5 target patchwork) switching to new tier set without any loss of ilvl. Is that correct?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4tA8zzBuSvt2nNapR74uT

[dim widget]

No idea yet

But why are you simming 4 min, 5 Target patchwerk if I may ask

[tribal pagoda]

just a rando selection for a M+ proxy

[runic parrot]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[runic parrot]

!macros

[dim widget]

You can do dungeon slice for m+ sims no problem

Just do the preset don't need to change anything really

But

I still don't know why new tier is simming lower for you

Are you sure all 4 pieces are simmed as tier pieces

(am on phone so hard to look at the report)

And that you didn't lock the old 4set to keep or smth

[fluid meadow]

this seems weird too

[tribal pagoda]

this build is HO, let me try KIR perhaps

it seems to be using the 4set correctly

[normal forge]

does these items still drops from delves this season?

[tribal pagoda]

I don't see it in the loot pool

There's a Void-scarred band, vers>haste which is close

[fluid meadow]

yeah this

[weary fog]

switch from sleight of hand to loaded dice

new tier set uses ld, old uses sleight

[cedar bone]

maybe stupid question but is simming with dungeonsslice accurate?

[tribal pagoda]

that was it

and wow, what a massive difference

that's a 10% dps swing

send kofi for tip k

😄

[dim widget]

It's a decent approximation yes

[cedar bone]

ok thx!

[quaint sable]

Its good for figuring out what gear to use. Not really for comparing to what dmg you "should" be doing

[radiant vessel]

i just sim dungeon slice as i mostly play m+

[swift moon]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cedar kernel]

almost cant make it

too tired

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel

Do you remember this guy btw

this was the guy

that spammed mists keys on PTR

[vivid vessel]

i dont

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

oh

haha

[balmy topaz]

I did a key with him the other day

Badddd

[red zinc]

Shoutout gloof

Im gloofin my shit rn

[vivid vessel]

gloofin it up

[red zinc]

i got an idea right

legion remix m+

I grind so hard im immortal and can tank

5 rogue comp

[dim widget]

Impossible

There isn't enough rogue players for 5 man stack

[jolly tapir]

Sub looks so back right

Beside 3 ST bosses it's all sub

With council being personal choice

[red zinc]

Damn housing is already releasing this year?

11.2.7 instead of prepatch according to ion

[tribal pagoda]

I'm seeing 95th percentiles favoring assa in nearly all fights

maybe the tip top end is sub

based on kill timings perhaps?

[tender breach]

if I play deft maneuvers in m+ I use BF on cooldown on low cp to get max points even if the BF aura is still on right?

[tribal pagoda]

1 cp per target hit yes

[tender breach]

even in subterfuge window. doesnt break anything instead of vanish

[tribal pagoda]

yes

[jolly tapir]

There are not mythic logs yet and hc is w/e

[tribal pagoda]

"If already active, recast at 4 or less combo points when there are 4 or more targets within range."

[green elm]

guys i got a question i have dont do my 2nd craft i dont know if i craft a dagger or a belt

i dont know if i remove that

(678)

[wintry solar]

Anyone got the midnight schedule for blizzcon?

[red zinc]

theres no blizzcon

[urban epoch]

Crafting a ring is also nice

[wintry solar]

Gamescom

[wintry solar]

You know what I mean

Thank you

[red zinc]

good panel in 15

min

[urban epoch]

For the cudgel, you could sim in dungeon slice to compare with the dagger

[red zinc]

and then systems on saturday

really seems like there wont be a talent system this time around so i wonder what they will do

[wintry solar]

Maybe they'll go over that Sat

Or announce it today and go into depth Sat

[red zinc]

naw today is just zones

probably

[vivid vessel]

nothing

have you not noticed timmy

they are slowing doing less and less

each expac

[red zinc]

thats really not true

[vivid vessel]

hero talents

kekw

wdym

[red zinc]

hero talents were probably more work than the actual talent trees

[vivid vessel]

what

[red zinc]

original talent trees were largely just the same passives/talents reformatted around?

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[vivid vessel]

are you crazy

[red zinc]

later revamps added new stuff but it really wasnt that much new stuff

[vivid vessel]

I mean

imo

the talent rework

was also lazy lol

i just mean

in sl they did much more for example

you had legendaries and covenant

and that evolved the whole expac

in df they just did new talents then afked

[red zinc]

werent most legendaries old stuff too

[vivid vessel]

in tww they dropped hero talent and it was gg

[red zinc]

conduits were azerite powers and shi

[wintry solar]

Yeah