outlaw

[keen belfry]

Looks good

[vivid vessel]

well you aint using suf then

fuck you !

[sonic bluff]

Netherprism should be used right before Vanish no matter amount of stacks, or should we stack it to 15 before use?

[willow portal]

i got this with [health:current:shortvalue] | [health:percent][health:current:shortvalue] | [health:percent]

[gaunt phoenix]

the rule we settled on was to send with vanish and after kir (so 4+ buffs rolling)

[willow portal]

ahh thought you meant shadow and light elvui thing

[gaunt phoenix]

regardless of stacks

but you can also save stacks for a certain pull or w.e

[lucid sandal]

Anyone know what the proper cutoff for haste is

Simming gems and flasks takes more time than I need for a key

Hate this stupid fine tuning

[gaunt phoenix]

19.05 is the exact cap but somewhere between 18-20% is close enough without hurting anything

[lucid sandal]

What if I sim myself at like 17% and send the droptimizer to my guild

And the damage gain is like 600%

They will give me the neck from soulbinder for sure right

[gaunt phoenix]

who else in the game wants a fat haste vers neck lol

[near rock]

apparently mages

mage in my guild took it

[gaunt phoenix]

oh ye arcane likes vers

[lucid sandal]

It's not really about who wants it

[onyx crane]

Hello, maybe a naive question but does anyone know what stats should be aimed for? got 20% crit 26% haste 33%mastery and 20% versa, i know that aint optimal but what should be instead?

[lucid sandal]

It's about who wants it, you know?

[lucid sandal]

Mastery way too high, vers way too low

[onyx crane]

Okay thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

The kir build wants 19% haste, or close enough (18-20%)

after that you just "aim" for as much vers as possible with some crit, not really certain numbers to hit

[onyx crane]

Thank you all very much

[lucid sandal]

Usually you want to sim yourself with raidbots to see it, but a good rule of thumb is to have 18-20% haste and as much vers and crit once you reach it

It seems about 12.8k haste is the sweet spot from what I've found

[buoyant cosmos]

@solo I mentioned that weird sim with the boots last night, I found it. For some reason when I added the boots through the website they didn't have the reshi wrap tooltip. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ruQDr6aswmo1ot9AeJ33Xg

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems to depend on the ilevel you select or something

[buoyant cosmos]

Yeah just me messing up

[gaunt phoenix]

like if i select hero then they have it

[buoyant cosmos]

I may have just typed in the ilevel instead of using that drop down

[gaunt phoenix]

oh that shouldnt matter

[buoyant cosmos]

Not really sure how I broke it

[strong halo]

FINALLY GOT GAMBIT RING JFC

[lucid sandal]

Even if I cook my sim I'm still lower than some shaman

zzz

[lucid sandal]

But that's because they don't run m+

So their neck is 681

[strong halo]

lmao thats so cringe

[radiant vessel]

is the ST opener for fatebound use the macro > rtb then proceed with normal rotation?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

macro rtb bte

[strong halo]

@keen belfry where are you putting your embelishments with dagger craft? im thinking adding ascenscion so outlaw has 2 and offspec 1

not like its an insane difference

[mint summit]

hi all i have a question

[keen belfry]

i just did double elemental lens

[mint summit]

there's a softcap of mastery?

[hallow spoke]

This, to play sub OS

[mint summit]

and there's a diminishing return point?

[real yew]

Yo, on the second coup, should I use BF or PS even if going over cp cap to apply a full coup or just press coup if I don't have a perfect PS/BF?

[mint summit]

since i don't understand why i cannot leave mastery from my equip.

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[fossil pagoda]

guys should i craft an offhand as second craft ?

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[buoyant cosmos]

Are you doing raid and keys?

[fossil pagoda]

yes

i got a 7210 crafted main

720

i got 1 tierpiece 2 charges in the catalyst 720 main and now iam thinkin that a offhand would be good for dmg ?

[buoyant cosmos]

You can always sim it vs upgrading your gear with those crests.

[oblique trench]

Do I press idol on bosses in M+?

[quaint mauve]

i do

[bright crane]

Why wouldn’t you? It’s dam

[glass mortar]

It's a bad stat so you don't really want it on anything

No dr or relevant breakpoints

I mean it has an artificial dr like every secondary but you won't ever reach it

[covert kestrel]

you can sim what item would be the highest upgrade from crafting

off hand likely wont be it, people are just doing that if they are playing other specs

[radiant vessel]

in what way sorry?

[gaunt phoenix]

macro > rtb > bte > ...

that's ur opener

[radiant vessel]

oh

LOL

i read it as macro rtb & bte as well

i was thinking they on gcd what the hell is this new tech

[ionic nimbus]

is warpstriker really using? I've got a 701 version and its only doing like 2% of my damage per key :Z

[gaunt phoenix]

ya that's what trinkets do

Mainstat trinkets

are all <2%

[ionic nimbus]

in my head id expect something a bit more like 3% / 4%

[gaunt phoenix]

They dont even do that much at 1 target

[crystal meadow]

Is there a command for this macro you speak of?

[violet ferry]

!upgrade

!ug

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[violet ferry]

There we go

[whole plover]

it's in the latest pinned message

[gaunt phoenix]

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```

if you open with this in melee you get 6 heads 6 tails

[crystal meadow]

Ty

[violet ferry]

Anyone know the voodoo ritual and what kind of animal I need to sacrifice to get a helm to drop from M+?

[balmy topaz]

Yeah you tricks your healer on last boss of every key

[willow portal]

i feel like i improved

[balmy topaz]

Sacrificing the lamb

[willow portal]

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

[minor verge]

hi guys, what D.I.S.C Bonus you recommend? i dont know what i can use

[spring bay]

FB & 4pc?

[gaunt phoenix]

crit chain or charged crystal are about the same

[strong halo]

Mythic??? How

[minor verge]

tyty

[balmy topaz]

[glass mortar]

solo whats my opener when i land on a platform with 1 second left on subterfuge and cant restealth?

asking for a friend

🥹

[gaunt phoenix]

macro rtb bte should still work

[willow portal]

a little trick we call "inspect element"

[frail veldt]

Wait why does it say mythic?

You did all of mythic?

Is the race over?

Oh NVM lol

[glass mortar]

bruh

[lime lake]

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix did we say a 678 cudgel not worth over 720 oh

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[elder phoenix]

so

whats everyones second craft

im thinking ring or neck for me

[hybrid crown]

I did crit vers ring

[icy hare]

dagger

[hybrid crown]

Because I got the priory and Gambit necks and the gambit ring

[elder phoenix]

dagger?

What

[icy hare]

got mythic neck from 2nd boss and 2 big vers rings from AH

so gone dagger for the focus lens

[elder phoenix]

Dagger?

outlaw using daggers?

[hybrid crown]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[elder phoenix]

i said i was gonna do dagger second but someone said Oh naw dont go dagger HURR DURR looool

i got a mace off my vault

[glass mortar]

unless ur offhand weapon us turboshit a dagger is probably isnt ur second strongest craft

[elder phoenix]

big mythic bound mace HHNNNNG

[glass mortar]

people crafting daggers are usually multispeccing

sin/sub mh outlaw oh

can always sim it tho

[elder phoenix]

But what spots are good for 2nd craft with embelishment?

Ring neck?

[glass mortar]

jewlery

bracers

or oh

[elder phoenix]

Ig a neck then For me

my necks veteran

[frail veldt]

Yeah I can't decide on second craft

[bright crane]

I went ring

Chase there’s like

[elder phoenix]

I cant either i think ima go neck

[buoyant cosmos]

ring was better than belt for my sims

[bright crane]

3 items with haste/verse

[bright crane]

There’s a good neck from gambit

[elder phoenix]

Oh word

[glass mortar]

raid has a pretty readily available neck so i think im skipping neck this season

[elder phoenix]

Ring it is then

[glass mortar]

probably gunna do ring or bracers

[bright crane]

Ring, bracers imo

There’s nothing good for these slots. Except for 1 ring from gambit

[plush cloak]

at what moment do u give up last season 4 set myth track? 2/2 set or change when u have next 4 set

[elder phoenix]

1 ring from gambit or 1 neck?

[fluid meadow]

pvp neck is decent rn

[buoyant cosmos]

4 for 4

[bright crane]

Both

[glass mortar]

depends on ur build, u can always sim, pins also has answer

[elder phoenix]

Oh word

[bright crane]

There’s a good ring AND a good neck

[elder phoenix]

ig im going ring

[plush cloak]

word cheers

[glass mortar]

theres also a good neck in raid people r very quickly going to not need

since its like a 80/20 split vers/haste

[buoyant cosmos]

for keys anyways, I think you switch to 2pc/2pc for fatebound raid

[glass mortar]

on a relatively early boss

[frozen pasture]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[plush cloak]

mostly doing m+ so ill wait

[buoyant cosmos]

don't forget to switch to loaded dice when you do change

[gaunt phoenix]

i wonder if streets is a fatebound key

[late swallow]

bro is EU gonna win RWF

[buoyant cosmos]

They really gutted that key

Do you just switch the hero tree to FB and leave the outlaw talents as they are for trickster?

[late swallow]

JPC back on rogue

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[buoyant cosmos]

I can try it tonight

[sick dawn]

I'm seeing some of the CN/KR outlaw running both Sleight and Loaded when playin Trickster on AOE fights in raid... wonder why. Just leaning hard into the gamba

[gaunt phoenix]

that's fried

these talents cancel each other out

[glass mortar]

^

[gaunt phoenix]

they operate in the same space

[glass mortar]

forgot to change or something

[late swallow]

does it have anything to do with the chinese players having a higher % chance to roll a 5 buff?

(because of the CN gambling laws)

[glass mortar]

its an old meme sir, but it checks out

[late swallow]

kinda cool seeing all 3 rogue specs smashing atm

[elder phoenix]

what hase do you need for kir again

19% right?

[keen belfry]

why did jpc take my rogue spot in yoda comp

?

[elder phoenix]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[keen belfry]

@tepid skiff

[willow portal]

when playing antenna do i actually have to collect orbs?

[buoyant cosmos]

iirc the last time we had a trinket like that it was a small min/max

S3 DF w/ the one from everbloom

[willow portal]

was that small?

i felt like everybody playing it was getting weakauras and delaying orbs and stuff

[buoyant cosmos]

Picking them up at different times to keep the buff lasting longer I think

I think this one doesn't extend the duration

[mighty pivot]

each stack has its own duration like flawless form

[gaunt phoenix]

no tho it seems with heavy movement the orbs might not reach you

[teal garnet]

^ You can 100% just not get the orbs if you run / grapple away

[willow portal]

i only got that for now anyway

[teal garnet]

I was playing around with it on dummies earlier

was seeing if you could purposely not collect it to extend multiple stacks

but theyre independent 😔

[buoyant cosmos]

Do they slowly follow you or go to where you were when it proced?

[teal garnet]

follow

[buoyant cosmos]

ok

[teal garnet]

aslong as you arent grappling more than 10S of the duration away from the orb

youre fine

it does travel very slowly tho

realistically I dont see it being an issue anywhere that it wouldnt be wasted otherwise by a transition

maybe araz if you grapple way out to get to a pylon but its 1 orb over the fight 🤷

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel fellowship releasing oct 9th for 25 bucks

[red zinc]

early access and all that but even then itll be unfinished

[teal garnet]

i proc'd an orb and grappled away and thats where is dissapated

so it can travel maybe around 30yds

[late swallow]

i think zac already said he's switching over to fellowship permanently

[vivid vessel]

ye

[late swallow]

he signed a 40 million euro contract with kick to stream fellowship exclusively

[red zinc]

holy

[late swallow]

he was inspired by that one french dude who got tortured to death on stream

[red zinc]

That game will be buns im sorry

[late swallow]

yeah it looks ass

we have wow at home type shit

[red zinc]

They were doing something and then they decided they couldnt design classes and just copied rogue

[teal garnet]

I mean TBF

I dont think any other MMO has done rogue feel like WoW does

[willow portal]

wtf do i have to do to get a parse on soul hunters

[red zinc]

I mean rogue is a staple theme but like

The animations are identical

[late swallow]

it's week 2 bro

[red zinc]

Literally had someone sit there and plagiarize

Its pathetic

[willow portal]

i want big number

[teal garnet]

Hope your tanks stack them properly, mash hard, prayge

[willow portal]

number not big

how fix

[late swallow]

me about to measure my cock

[late swallow]

me when I'm done measuring

[red zinc]

Itll change this time

[willow portal]

https://calcsd.info/
just find your d parse

[red zinc]

Warmer weather type

[late swallow]

oh shit true I just need to move to malaysia

[teal garnet]

just mash harder 🙂

[red zinc]

They are asking for volume?

[late swallow]

wtf is "volume"

[red zinc]

My shit hold 3 gallons

[willow portal]

[willow portal]

idk bro i dont measure that

the important part is nbp and bp

[late swallow]

crazy how percentile jumps from 6 to 6.5 inches

[teal garnet]

6.8oz Pog

[willow portal]

bell curve probably the reason

[lucid sandal]

Guild kills add too fast so I can't parse gg

Also I got 99 on sentinel and was bottom damage

spec is cooked

🫡

[late swallow]

they didn't ask for curve

[teal garnet]

tell me about it Araz doesnt have adds 🙂

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[red zinc]

[brittle dragon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[red zinc]

nerf this guy with hammers to his fingers

[brittle dragon]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[willow portal]

use real units please

[willow portal]

adding that to the calc is cope and you know it

[late swallow]

my shit looking like a spanish question mark

[willow portal]

do we want those? i only rolled upgrade so some enhance got it instead

[willow portal]

so goose d you say

[elder phoenix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/45?dataset=95

wait sub is good in m+?

What

[heavy shadow]

discuss

[dawn dome]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tepid skiff]

DUDE I HAVE TO LEARN THE GAME

[vivid vessel]

uh

its a main hand cuh

wdy,

[willow portal]

yeah but like upgrade is fine then i guess

[vivid vessel]

you are playing the wrong spec bud

[uneven meteor]

Any sugesstions guys? the first 2 are terrible for outlaw if im not mistaken

[tepid skiff]

i know

dark times

[keen belfry]

lets law and sin

lets go

[elder phoenix]

i might have to relearn sub

[craggy barn]

why

[tepid skiff]

there needs to be a sub outlaw sin comp

[craggy barn]

real

[vivid vessel]

eh

i think honestly

outlaw just doesnt work with sin much

especially this season

[craggy barn]

outlaw sub tho

[vivid vessel]

the pulls i want as outalw are the complete opposite of what you want as assa

like we do such weird routes with outlaw

and when we play with zeross as sin

its a bit

weird

[desert tendon]

i think that s just dust issue zac

if you ever need a cleaning 🤙

[visual ermine]

so whenever I use keep it rolling to lock in at least 4 buffs, Muropaketti's RtB weakaura tells me to immediately reroll

Is that accurate, or a bug? wouldn't I want to avoid rerolling immediately?

[icy cedar]

3700 last season mage, no kicks, bottom damage, didn't pop the thing on So'leah

this dude musta bought his account o_o

[willow portal]

a dude in my guild got a nice 30day vacation today and he got 3700 on his hunter like last week of last season

:)

like whats the reason to get boosted to that level

[craggy barn]

this yoda comp so weird

[tender breach]

!fu

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel my rogue is unlocked i got both trinkets

no cappy

[proven ocean]

why cant i upgr

2nd trinket for free?

i relog i guess

[vivid vessel]

you need 2 slots noob

[proven ocean]

i do

[frail veldt]

were they 3700 on that mage?

or as a dk

[midnight granite]

What is the raw stat number for haste breakpoint?

[covert kestrel]

12 something?

[frail veldt]

yeah at least 12 rating

maybe 13

[pure folio]

12k

im at 12200 19%

[glass mortar]

its like 12600 or something for the exact amount to hit 25% with full stacks

[quaint mauve]

i feel very defeated on this spec

im so inconsistent my level of play changes every day

[inland acorn]

Maybe you're just getting old

[midnight granite]

good enoujgh

[west quartz]

!log

[glass mortar]

too much

can swap a few gems and enchants to get that right on target

i love outlaw gearing i love outlaw gearing i love outlaw gearing i love outlaw gearing

[inland acorn]

haste tax so good

[glass mortar]

my when i have a whole bag of champion track nonsense because it has some mix of haste and vers on it for me to try to adjust my setup around everytime i get a new actual upgrade

[inland acorn]

idk how we played this spec before blizzard added that tax to AR

[spark glade]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[stiff vector]

[frail veldt]

lolol exactly

getting a new item thats like a 10ilvl upgrade

but then having to change out like 5 pieeces

to stay at the right haste

its wild

[inland acorn]

Nah guys

We needed that change

[smoky whale]

Yo guys, i have a quest, Im seeing the crafteable items in this ssn and this gv me a questión, whats the bttr items to first craft with Outlaw

(pretending that u have perfect build)

[inland acorn]

weapon

MH

[smoky whale]

Both?

[frail veldt]

nah not necessarily both

MH for sure

[inland acorn]

Only Mh

after that idk

Ring / wrist / belt

[frail veldt]

but second depends on what you have gotten so far

boots/wrist/belt/ring

[inland acorn]

you don't want boots because of raid boots, that boost cloak

[smoky whale]

yeah the raid boots suppost a lot of overal damage in the cloak

so first bbtr rings and bangles

[inland acorn]

depends what you need

but ring is kinda safe

there's no good crit/vers ring

at least this season

[smoky whale]

hum outlaw now goes too crit?

[frail veldt]

always has

[inland acorn]

it's haste until cap > vers > crit > mastery

[frail veldt]

vers->crit has been outlaws stats since as long as I can remember

[inland acorn]

If you have haste you just dump everything into vers and crit

[smoky whale]

What is the cap in haste exactly?

[inland acorn]

!haste

[frail veldt]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[smoky whale]

uhh thx

[inland acorn]

first

[inland acorn]

[midnight granite]

unlucky

[late swallow]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[glass mortar]

gdi

[frail veldt]

fake

[glass mortar]

ive upgraded too much gear

i dont have enough sockets

[frail veldt]

rofl

[glass mortar]

im at 12300 haste and i cant get right to 19%

🥹

[inland acorn]

Now imagine

[inland acorn]

If we also had

[vivid vessel]

you lose noob

[inland acorn]

Mastery tax

[halcyon veldt]

Hello ! Is the ticking bag competitive VS signet of priory ? gotta hate mastery

[frail veldt]

also fake

youre in france

[inland acorn]

[frail veldt]

wrong server source

[late swallow]

!mastery

[inland acorn]

i would sim

[night dragon]

Is the Lily mastery trinket from eco-dome any good? seems like same use-case as house of cards from s2, no?

[inland acorn]

but both are mid

[late swallow]

!versatility

[frail veldt]

mine was sent earlier

[late swallow]

!critical strike

[frail veldt]

1:28pm

yours was 10:pm

[halcyon veldt]

ok thanks, sim inc

[frail veldt]

ggs

[inland acorn]

It's ok mewo

Everyone sometimes loses

You just need to accept the facts

[frail veldt]

AND i got them with the reply

[inland acorn]

[glass mortar]

i finally ditched s2 set

[quaint mauve]

bro in barely pushing 20 😓

it’s over

[inland acorn]

it's joeover

[quaint mauve]

my arthritis is kicking in early

[inland acorn]

you're done

gg

you missed your prime

[quaint mauve]

my prime was SL szn3

i was the fury warrior goat

[late swallow]

Bro was 13 in his prime

[quaint mauve]

2021ishh i woulda been 15

i was goated

pressing buttons fast

doing dmg

parsing well

[inland acorn]

it's ok

[quaint mauve]

now im just a loser

[compact narwhal]

furry warrior

[inland acorn]

you can reroll to DH with new spec

surely it won't be OP for 3 seasons

[quaint mauve]

surely

[late swallow]

New dh spec gonna bang

Looks sick

[quaint mauve]

yup fury warrior

[quaint mauve]

i hope it’s like

skilled

…

[frail veldt]

its a mid ranged spec right?

[inland acorn]

ye

[frail veldt]

could be fun

[inland acorn]

though not much details were provided

[quaint mauve]

ranged spenders is what people were thinking

[inland acorn]

but description make it look like kinda same-ish range as evokers

[fathom bramble]

some of the vague skill descriptions were things that could only work in melee

so if it is ranged it's probably hybrid

[frail veldt]

so like outlaw lol

[quaint mauve]

like hybrid melee ranged

[late swallow]

Hybrid melee like ret?

[frail veldt]

ret is ranged

not melee

[inland acorn]

ret is not melee

[frail veldt]

ret is more ranged than survival hunter

[late swallow]

Yeah ret range is pretty crazy

[fathom bramble]

ret does require melee range for parts of their holy power generation

you can't just sit in egypt forever

[frail veldt]

you could lol

[inland acorn]

but you can sit in egypt for 15 seconds

[late swallow]

Aesthetic of new dh class looks cool though

[fathom bramble]

well I guess you can

[late swallow]

Melee spriest

[frail veldt]

do they still spec into the auto attack generator?

[fathom bramble]

but you probably shouldn't

[frail veldt]

ret loses less dps at range than survival does

pretty sure

[quaint mauve]

dude i wanna play an alt but i dont at the same time

[inland acorn]

I made an alt

[quaint mauve]

ww isn’t as fun as ol

[frail veldt]

I thought about making a monk

[quaint mauve]

i got fucked in vault

[inland acorn]

just make

rogue rat alt

[quaint mauve]

all myth tracks simmed at a loss

[inland acorn]

for sub/sin

[fathom bramble]

yes

[quaint mauve]

can’t get the name i want

im trying every realm

it’s gone

[glass mortar]

deeply cursed

they tried to do this before

[fathom bramble]

crusading strikes ruined ret

[frail veldt]

whats the frequency of their AAs?

[glass mortar]

and it failed

[frail veldt]

its like 3 seconds right?

[glass mortar]

maybe since its a brand new spec they can make it work

[frail veldt]

so you only need to be in melee once every 3 seconds

is there anything else thats melee about ret other than the auto attack

[fathom bramble]

they have a few Aspeed boosts

idk what it works out to

[glass mortar]

they have a fair amount of haste and auto attack speed modifiers in their talent tree

they r much faster then 3s probably

[fathom bramble]

but you can definitely leave for 1-2 seconds without a real loss if timed right

[frail veldt]

still wild

[quaint mauve]

i love warlock aesthetic but it’s so slow

sigh

[fathom bramble]

crusading strikes is overall responsible for a pretty meaningful amount of their CP gen though

so they can't just pretend to be ranged all the time

[inland acorn]

after outlaw every caster is slow

[fathom bramble]

blade of justice is also not exactly a long ranged spell

[quaint mauve]

like geniunely what can i play

[fathom bramble]

even though it's certainly not melee

[frail veldt]

honestly some casters with PI and BL are faster

[quaint mauve]

my warrior is a fat stinky fat orc so i have to remake her

[frail veldt]

but not for long

[quaint mauve]

ngl

[inland acorn]

DH, warrior WW think are closest to outlaw

[frail veldt]

fire mage kinda scary fast with lots of haste

[inland acorn]

in terms of feeling

[frail veldt]

tbh

[fathom bramble]

I mean casters need 87% haste to match our normal GCD

you can reach that with lust+pi pretty easily

[frail veldt]

its easier to get than youd expect haha

yeah

[inland acorn]

We only need

[glass mortar]

going based off some quick look at top ret logs their average swing speed is ~1.7s

[inland acorn]

19%

[glass mortar]

faster then i thought tbh

[inland acorn]

[quaint mauve]

i can’t play mage bc i’ve said things in the past

and i’d get ridiculed by my guild

[pure folio]

is new 4pc actually a damage increase

[inland acorn]

it is

it's actually big dmg on ST

and okayish on aoe

[frail veldt]

more so for fatebound

[fathom bramble]

it just feels bad since they took away one of the better states RTB has had in a long time

[inland acorn]

don't forget to switch talents if you're simming it

[glass mortar]

its a little weaker, close to old set bonus as trickster

[quaint mauve]

another rogue it is man

[frail veldt]

but yeah trickster feels a lil worse

[glass mortar]

so ur basically just gaining ilvl

[quaint mauve]

another rogue

which race this time

nelf

[frail veldt]

why would you need two rogues?

[inland acorn]

trickster 4p feels kinda cheeks

[quaint mauve]

ty for ur input

[fathom bramble]

dragon

[inland acorn]

one outlaw, one sin/sub

[quaint mauve]

there’s….. there’s nothing else man

[frail veldt]

I think sub gearing is closer to outlaw than sin

[frail veldt]

why noit just play more of your main

[inland acorn]

eh

[frail veldt]

idgi

[inland acorn]

kinda yes kinda not

[fathom bramble]

need a 2nd character for splits and would rather not play an unfun class

[glass mortar]

sub is like 50/50 vers mast

[quaint mauve]

i need something to relax on

[glass mortar]

sin doesnt rlly care about secondaries

[inland acorn]

evoker

[glass mortar]

i think its the most "take whatever u want" of the specs

[frail veldt]

bro play OBR warlock

literally 8% dps loss

for OBR destro

[quaint mauve]

bro do u even need obr for lock

like

[frail veldt]

why not

[quaint mauve]

what that spec has 2 buttons

yeah ima just make a lock

[quaint mauve]

i single-handedly bricked a gambit 14

and it ruined my day

so i need casual wow

for now

[inland acorn]

do WQs

or delves

[quaint mauve]

i rather get shot than do wow solo content

[inland acorn]

[frail veldt]

oops

its week 2 of keys

I wouldnt stress

[red zinc]

W MANS

[frail veldt]

noice

I honestly

dont want sacbrood

too much haste

[red zinc]

neither do i

i said right before this "dont give me the trinket" in vc

[frail veldt]

I want seaforium

[inland acorn]

sacbrood was simming

[quaint wharf]

im on the hunt for warpclaw rn

[quaint mauve]

i grapple hooked to tanzania rather than to my spot for final boss

[inland acorn]

0.2% ahead of 684 geargrinder keys

[quaint mauve]

and it lwk hurts

i greeded a second of uptime

and killed everyone

[inland acorn]

did you at least get achievement for that ?

[quaint mauve]

nightborne or undead for the lock

[inland acorn]

vulpera

[harsh forge]

I cant wait for the day to get rid of that fucking trinket

[inland acorn]

idk i like it

[harsh forge]

its so ass

[bright crane]

I currently have too much haste

[harsh forge]

it can just miss sometimes

goes right through the hitbox

2min cd wasted

[bright crane]

21% haste.. NAW DAWG THAT AINT RIGHT

[fast scaffold]

which talents u play as outlaw?

[pure folio]

for?

[fast scaffold]

M+

[pure folio]

do u have s2 tier

or s3 tier

[fast scaffold]

S3 tier

4set

[pure folio]

whats ur haste

[fast scaffold]

21%

[pure folio]

CQQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeAAM2mBjZGmZmZYGegxMzMMzMz0yMmtZAAAAAAw22MzMMzMWglZZAAAAYmZAwY2MMkBmFWoF2MA

[fast scaffold]

tY

How much vers to i want?

[stiff vector]

all of it

[fast scaffold]

How much % haste and how much vers ? xD

[stiff vector]

50,000 versatilities

[fast scaffold]

::

Gimme great answer plz.

[limpid onyx]

19% rest vers p much

[pure folio]

as much vers typically as possible

[icy cedar]

yes

[pure folio]

and 19% haste

12600 haste stat

[balmy topaz]

19% haste then the rest crit vers

[stiff vector]

literally all the vers

[limpid onyx]

How dead is mastery

[balmy topaz]

Vers>=(Haste 20%)>crit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mastery

[stiff vector]

as dead as blood dk in a +25

[desert tendon]

How you doing ruby this season already

[balmy topaz]

I’m doing good hbu censi

[desert tendon]

Tell me more. Io / raid / brann

Mog

[quaint mauve]

so once u get 19.04% haste

no more

[balmy topaz]

I’ve managed to get here

Pugging

[quaint mauve]

how’d u get past taz

[balmy topaz]

Taz?

[quaint mauve]

did u also greed 1 second of uptime on gambit final boss and wipe ur team at 30%

[quaint mauve]

avesh

[balmy topaz]

Ohh that went bad

1st boss wipe

[lime lake]

[balmy topaz]

Pugging hard mode

Managed to do 15 streets tho

3:30 left as well

It’s a free key now

Hardest key by a mile is HoA

[quaint mauve]

was it nerfed?

[balmy topaz]

Then I’d say ara

Ye

They increased the time again

[quaint mauve]

oh maybe i can do it now

[balmy topaz]

And nerfed the RP on the music boss

So you only have 2 waves now

Rather than 4

[quaint mauve]

OMG

that’s so nice

[balmy topaz]

And nerfed mail npc

[quaint mauve]

i still don’t like those bosses

[balmy topaz]

It’s a free key

If you don’t wipe

On first 2 bosses

It’s gg

And mini boss is a lot more worth it

[quaint mauve]

ruby are u NA

[balmy topaz]

Naa eu

[quaint mauve]

im planning big things

we need a third ol rogue

[balmy topaz]

Ohhh ye?

[quaint mauve]

me and awang

3 ol

[glass mortar]

i just did my first delve of the expac

as 1fth

i want to go back

[balmy topaz]

Horrid ain’t it

[glass mortar]

get me out of this season @vivid vessel

please

[cedar kernel]

gm brothers

[balmy topaz]

I did some double outlaw keys with zac this season already

[glass mortar]

it was like pulling teeth

[balmy topaz]

It’s awful

[glass mortar]

so many times with no broadsides

[quaint mauve]

2 isn’t enough

[glass mortar]

and the worst part is i did more damage

then playing 2 fth

i hate it here

[vivid vessel]

hm

[quaint mauve]

if ur not running 3 ol

ur not doing it right

[balmy topaz]

Have you finished raiding zac

[vivid vessel]

nop

[lucid sandal]

Okay guys I got a grey parse on soulbinder

Might need some help

Whole night felt kinda bad tbh

[quaint mauve]

link log

[glass mortar]

btw zac

[tropic zephyr]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[glass mortar]

idk if u knew this but

brann has outscaled outlaw

[balmy topaz]

[glass mortar]

i was doing delves on my brm yesterday with my level 87 brann

i pulled wall to wall and was kiting

my brann was doing 25m dps

[vivid vessel]

tf

[glass mortar]

me when uncapped

[vivid vessel]

your brann is insane

[lucid sandal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F1hDJKGRq4n8gjcP?fight=57&type=damage-done

[glass mortar]

hes probably legit uncapped somehow

i had probably 30 mobs or more

i was kiting on my brm

[cedar kernel]

2 hrs left

pls vault give me some mercy

[glass mortar]

trickster tier set feels meh

[balmy topaz]

Gl bac

[glass mortar]

its not awful but

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

[glass mortar]

feels like it should just give u full cp

[desert tendon]

Gm bac

[glass mortar]

so ur just double couping

[cedar kernel]

gm censi

[lucid sandal]

I feel so bad with this new set

[tender breach]

a heroic soulbreaker sigil sims higher than a heroic netherprism for me. The mythic version pf the raid trinket is better?

[desert tendon]

You re awsome

[lucid sandal]

I feel like I never get 5 buffs anymore

[desert tendon]

Keep it up king

[lucid sandal]

Old set spoiled us

[balmy topaz]

Thanks bby

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean, you wont

[glass mortar]

ok time to figure out craft again

finally 700 ilvl

[balmy topaz]

I just crafted 720 ring

[glass mortar]

ye its ring or bracers

i just dont know

which setup

[lucid sandal]

I got 2 crafted rings

[balmy topaz]

My guild aren’t getting into mythic till Sunday

[glass mortar]

i can properly optimize my haste for

this haste thing

is 1000000000000X more cursed

when u only play kir

[balmy topaz]

I joined a chill 2 day guild

I forgot how cursed proggin is tho

On 2 days

[tropic zephyr]

[stiff vector]

finally won some boots

[glass mortar]

wonder how bad fatebound feels in delves

[stiff vector]

normal ones tho

[glass mortar]

most pulls r sub 5 targets

[willow portal]

anti heal poison goes kinda hard on hoa miniboss

[stiff vector]

i mean fb is fine in delves dmg wise

i just dont plkay it because no perma tricks

[glass mortar]

i dont even use tricks in delves anymore tbh

[cedar bone]

wait is there no mainhand weapon for us to craft?

[glass mortar]

but yea i could see that

theres like 5 mh u can craft

not sure what u mean

its the same weapons its been all expac

[cedar bone]

didnt play the expac once brother

[glass mortar]

everforged

weapon type doesnt matter (other then dagger vs slow weapon, u need a slow mh)

and make sure it has agi not int

[heavy shadow]

How are people opening on dimensius? It feels sad

[glass mortar]

crying, usually

legit never want to kill that boss on herioc again

he doesnt even drop anything i want

what a dumpster fight for outlaw

its a shame if i was on my monk id probably think it was really cool

[heavy shadow]

I put the music one, it helps

[inland acorn]

personally i just BF --> stealth before using gate

But ye it's absolute cheeks

Best case scenario you have like 2 gcds left in subterfuge

Usually just one

[buoyant cosmos]

BF/AR+GS/KS seems okay

[fair oak]

crafted a sword fuck this stupid sin chungus life

[spark glade]

!raid

!loot

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[proven ocean]

chatty watty!

sup outlaw cuh

[fair oak]

what's up zero oss

[proven ocean]

sup cuh

[proven ocean]

Epsil onee

[fair oak]

I need to do 20 more outlaw keys to get back into it bro

sin rogue rotted my brain for a full week

did 80 keys last week didnt get a dagger btw gg

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-cat-trip-cat-fall-kitty-gif-14426836968979840999

[glass mortar]

just need to do raid 1 time bro

swear every agi dagger dropping boss in this game has a hidden passive where they drop 2 minimum every kill even with no rogues in

i have double herioc/myth daggers before i even get a myth mh from raid most seasons i swear

sin and sub have hidden raid buff of being the only agi dagger specs in the game

😠

[split ingot]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[desert tendon]

what about dh being the only able to wear glaives?

or hunters with range weapons

[tender breach]

@gaunt phoenix if I want to stay Trickster HO after 4 piece, I change to loaded dice and deft manuvers and use the same rolling rules as in pins?

[desert tendon]

[glass mortar]

yes its the same

all advantages over outlaw

😠

[desert tendon]

😠

[glass mortar]

let outlaw mh a gun

cowards

[desert tendon]

but noone complained about noggenfogger being an outlaw trinket

[glass mortar]

if it had been

5% weaker

i think we coulda had a full season of it

it was way too broken censi

it was scaling harder with PI then the best PI spec in the game

a single trinket

that shit was hilarious

[fathom bramble]

slightly better than your average on use on an on use spec

before the random 20% buff

[glass mortar]

idk man that thing was very funny

during lust if u had PI the pirate was doing more dps then the outlaw

peak design

[fathom bramble]

also weaker than the last auto attack scaling trinket the game had

which we wore 2 full tiers later lol

[glass mortar]

nighthold one?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[glass mortar]

that thing was so good

we didnt really have any generational trinkets this expac

i feel like every season was meh

[fathom bramble]

wearing it still in antorus with the SND build

[glass mortar]

i wont remember any of these trinkets next expac

[fathom bramble]

I liked magnet

[glass mortar]

it was cool it was just

[fathom bramble]

very cool on use damage trinket

[glass mortar]

not amazing damage yea

i wore it whole season

i wish this season "magnet" agi on use was better

i wanna wear it in keys anyway i think

it looks fun

i really like flexible damage like that

i might not last this season tho

seeing how far i could pug as HO last season really kept me subbed but i

am disgusted by 1fth kir

this is miserable

i hate it in raid and keys

[quaint mauve]

i love outlaw so much i could cry

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk

[quaint mauve]

i only like floodgate though

that’s my dungeon

[glass mortar]

but its so good tho like

[fathom bramble]

maybe we all need to sandbag on ho

[glass mortar]

i tried a few pulls as HO on herioc

[fathom bramble]

and hope for a buff

[glass mortar]

it felt ok, the numbers were not ok

swapped to 1 fth which was all the top logs and i just did more damage

but i was miserable

[stiff vector]

they could fix the 1fth cancer so easily

by just deleting PC

or just...idk making fth 1 point

or just idk...not putting PC in a shit spot

[glass mortar]

move it

or just change fth ranks to increase damage instead of functionality

its so garbage man

this talent should never be a 1 pointer

not with 7 max cp anyway

[stiff vector]

I mean FTH is alrdy nerfed from what it used to be

[vivid vessel]

I only like 1 fth cause it makes trickstrer less cancer

[stiff vector]

idk why the functionality has to be tied to 2p

[vivid vessel]

but thats just

cause trikcster is cancer

[stiff vector]

trickster with 4p=cancer

[vivid vessel]

i like being bale to go to 3 stacks also

[stiff vector]

i said it on ptr

ill say it again

[glass mortar]

yea

[vapid blaze]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[glass mortar]

no improvements to unseen

just silly

whole expac

so many easy ways to make it inoffensive

[stiff vector]

but hey...at least they made FB kinda function with tier set bandaid

[glass mortar]

it doesnt feel awful but the 4set certainly doesnt feel "good"

feels worse then last season easily

shoulda just made u spam coup or something like the bug

refilled ur cp after the first one

[granite merlin]

Does anyone know of a super light UI they like for beginner outlaw players the ui complexity is kinda getting to me and everything becomes a mushy mess

I need to make like bars that countdown or something for my brain to process everything going on

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

nvm

[glass mortar]

????

[vivid vessel]

bad idea

but i think fth should have 3 stacks baseline

and ps stacks should last longer

[glass mortar]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

i wanna be able to play around ps stacks more

i like being able to hold them for vanish windows

[glass mortar]

oh u mean

[vivid vessel]

and realistically you can only do that with 1 fth

[untold yarrow]

why is the hitbox

[glass mortar]

the 1 point style

[untold yarrow]

of dementor so small

[vivid vessel]

ye

the 1 point style is better gameplay

but

1 fth doesnt give enough cp

so its horrible to play

[glass mortar]

i mean

i said

lock it at 1 point

reduce max cp to 6

i think u could have it be 3 stacks with current gen at 2/2 and it wouldnt be op tho

[fathom bramble]

1fth should just be 3 shots still

[glass mortar]

i do agree 3 stacks and being able to hold them for windows is fun

[fathom bramble]

and have greatly reduced damage

[glass mortar]

1 fth should be 3 shots at 50% damage, 2fth 3 shots at 100% damage

maybe too weak for r2

idc

give me back my gameplay please

giving it up to have an effective damage profile

[gaunt phoenix]

there's no way the devs play 1fth outlaw and are like aww yeah this is it

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

this is outlaw

[fathom bramble]

imagine if audacity had a flat % instead of relying on fan to actually trigger

[random stirrup]

devs are gamers and have 100% bs uptime

no big deal

[fathom bramble]

we could have the cursed demon build of 0fth kir HO

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[fathom bramble]

and by cursed demon build I mean better than 1fth kir

[glass mortar]

anything is bro

playing this build in raid

makes me wanna rip my hair out

30 man raiding doesnt help either

oh i just went to make a cleave fatebound build to test in delves and remembered u literally cant drop ghostly so ur forced to 1 fth to pick up pc

xd

[vivid vessel]

there's no way the devs play outlaw *

[proven ocean]

they dont play any spec

i can tell none of the devs played deathstalker assa in m+ and lost mark and wondered how they're gonna do dmg with vanish on cd

[river maple]

!prepull

[fast scaffold]

Do we play Fatebound or Trickster and why play what?

[glass mortar]

fatebound st, trickster aoe

[frail veldt]

It's not thaaaat bad

[mighty pivot]

I like how the only non-set armour piece you can use catalyst on and has great outlaw stats is the cloak

[glass mortar]

nah outlaws got the lowest lowrolls of gameplay of all specs in this video game

and 1 fth somehow makes them lower

[gaunt phoenix]

wrists are good

[glass mortar]

that alone is banworthy

[mighty pivot]

wrists are ok but crafted seem a much better option

[grizzled heron]

i kick the door in to the outlaw saloon

hey guys is HO cool again yet

[glass mortar]

[grizzled heron]

no....

[mighty pivot]

unless they make HO specific changes it'll be further behind compared to s2

shame but iiwii

[keen belfry]

brb

back

im back

[bright crane]

There’s no way the devs play*

[bright crane]

Glad ur safe

[keen belfry]

ty

[jade abyss]

is it weird to craft a 2nd weapon?

[bright crane]

Follow the sims