outlaw

[crimson thicket]

i dont play good classes

do i look like a dk or mage?

[random obsidian]

i wish we were the main characters

for an xpac or two

[stiff vector]

surely this group gets a monk

[torpid fiber]

we had bfa

[buoyant cosmos]

prayge

[random obsidian]

didnt it last like

one tier only

maybe two?

[fathom bramble]

we were also definitely not main characters in raid in bfa

[torpid fiber]

oh yeah in raid no

[brave lagoon]

a few keys done with triple outlaw suddenly we vanish for 3 expac

[random obsidian]

when m+ was actually a mini-game

[keen belfry]

yawn

[random obsidian]

now that it has become the game, we're not allowed to be the shit anymore

[main terrace]

sounds like someone forgot about nerub-ar S1

10+ chinese outlaws ready to rock after critter MAXXING

[ripe ibex]

rlly dude

are you like fishing for compliments or what

kinda weird dude

[gaunt phoenix]

forgot deft here

was really scratching my brain for a bit

[verbal trellis]

is the 4 set decent for outlaw? I was lucky to get 2 pieces from LFR and 2 from heroic vault lol

[fathom bramble]

oh

[ripe ibex]

yeah i was like

no way

[fathom bramble]

unlucky

[gaunt phoenix]

however

i do need to push an apl fix

HO with sleight is actually surviving

[frail veldt]

I wish I was brave like you lol

[frank finch]

yea i need that ho build

[gaunt phoenix]

you just roll 2 buffs over and over (not 3)

[frail veldt]

Hahahahah

[ripe ibex]

also why do you have pi on in this sim haha

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be a bit better than loaded dice

[fathom bramble]

that's a good question

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a bit rng, but so is 1fth

[buoyant cosmos]

Are the sims for the cantrip boots not working right?

[gaunt phoenix]

they should be

[buoyant cosmos]

Okay

I simmed some normal ones vs my 701 boots and it was a step down

[fathom bramble]

gg 5% behind like it is suppose to be

[gaunt phoenix]

link

[buoyant cosmos]

I can run one in a bit, about to do a boss

[fathom bramble]

can't believe ambush kir is 2% ahead of ho

[buoyant cosmos]

it was earlier today

[gaunt phoenix]

its in your history

[buoyant cosmos]

true

[ripe ibex]

i wish outlaw had dfs3 tier set as a talent

[keen belfry]

parsing as a geared sub rogue in normal 2 min boss fights kinda easy guys

is this spec hard

[ripe ibex]

rlly dude

[keen belfry]

i afk'd

to stack for last flag

[ripe ibex]

do not tell the sub people this

[buoyant cosmos]

I think it might have been at work

If I can get it to happen again I'll @ you

[gaunt phoenix]

alrighty

[late swallow]

Rogue players when they send sub cds during important parts of the fight

[buoyant cosmos]

I might have used raidbots add an item wrong

[ripe ibex]

@keen belfry https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uSGZVp6C118apGoUJmWyAV

full flag spent rupturing

holy

[gaunt phoenix]

@fathom bramble this one includes sleight HO with a fixed apl https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nh23UjnAmcZPyJfKmd6LpH

a little better

[frail veldt]

@gaunt phoenix does capo proc the cape

[gaunt phoenix]

eh?

[glass mortar]

wat

[frail veldt]

Cuz I have a buddy with capo and nether of us have boots and his cape procs like 50% more than mine over a key

[gaunt phoenix]

they are not related

[frail veldt]

Consistently

Like every time he gets insane count on his procs

[fathom bramble]

it's rppm

[frail veldt]

And I'm wondering if it's related to molten gold having a million damage instances or something

[fathom bramble]

whether capo can or can't shouldn't make a difference

[gaunt phoenix]

its like wearing 2 different trinkets and asking if they proc each other

[glass mortar]

we already have 10 million damage instances

[frail veldt]

"shouldn't"

[ripe ibex]

are you looking at details or logs

[glass mortar]

its a drop in the ocean

[frail veldt]

No it like doubles it

[glass mortar]

ur well past saturated

[frail veldt]

It's insane how many instances it has

[ripe ibex]

link

[frail veldt]

I posted some pics a while ago lemme find them

We do keys a lot every time it's like this

30-50% difference in procs

[glass mortar]

he has the same amount of casts as u

[frail veldt]

Neither of us have boots

[glass mortar]

his just do more damage

in the first pic

[frail veldt]

Bro look at hits

[glass mortar]

the second one is prob within variance

[frail veldt]

There is no casts

Its hits only

[glass mortar]

oh wait i read it top to bottom

[frail veldt]

So I figured he was standing better but I have more bladeflurry hits than him

So my positioning is better

Something is happening

[ripe ibex]

could just be a details thing too

[stiff vector]

jesus christ man

was missing battle shout entire first boss

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOL

DIDE

Warriors

Every time

[tired rune]

Worthless

[frail veldt]

I have to whisper them

I swear

[pure folio]

how many times do u press this macro

/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike

[frail veldt]

Once

[brave lagoon]

once on pull

[frail veldt]

When you're in melee range

That parts important

[stiff vector]

thats so fucked up

[rotund zodiac]

oh....

[frail veldt]

I mean you can press it twice if you want lol

[gaunt phoenix]

@frail veldt log your next key

[glass mortar]

if u spam it and use it outside melee range the abilities wont go off at the same time

and the point of the macro will be moot

[misty ibex]

Hi noob here, may i ask what skills do you put on your action bar in stealth? Due to subterfuge Im kind of lost 😞

[gaunt phoenix]

the same as normal bar

you just bind everything

[misty ibex]

Ohh so replicate the same as non stealth?

[gaunt phoenix]

should be able to press everything whether you are in stealth or not

[misty ibex]

Oh i see okay so only attack from stealth but still same skills used?

Thanks!

[glass mortar]

i think i am one and done for herioc dimi kills

its crazy how worthless this spec is

on this fight xd

[near rock]

its complete dogshit

[vague cape]

Downtime 🙂 dmg amp 🙂

🙂

[frail veldt]

Will do

[glass mortar]

its everything

p1 u dont get to start with a crackshot window

any mechanic that targets u is downtime

the boss hitbox is fucking tiny

[frail veldt]

I might have logs of those actually I can go check

[frail veldt]

That one tilts me

[glass mortar]

then u have downtime flights and damage amps and low target cleave but because of how many targets are in the walls ur fatebound gets turbo fucked

but theres never enough targets for trickster

this fight is a literal joke

[stiff vector]

its somehow worse than tindral

i can only imagine how cancer mythici s gonna be

[frail veldt]

Also why can't mobs have a visual hitbox

The red circle around mobs should tell me where to stand

I hate that it's totally random

[buoyant cosmos]

fr

doing dimen rn, forgot how bad it is

[verbal trellis]

I simmed going from season 2 4pc to season 3 4pc and it said only 3% upgrade... that seems wrong lol

[trail cape]

anyone else getting lua errors from zacs crackshot weakaura?

[glass mortar]

did u swap talents

they dont use the same talents

[verbal trellis]

Yeah I need to play around with the talents.

[glass mortar]

all u swap is loaded dice for sleight

but u cannot accuratly sim breaking season2 4set if u dont swap that talent

[agile quiver]

idk why stealth bar swapping is even a thing.

[teal wing]

idol or boots ?

[unkempt smelt]

idol

you'll get heroic boots 100% at some point

idol u never know

[gaunt phoenix]

it''s a touch choice maybe. the boots is a good upgrade for prog

while idol is not really used in raid

[teal wing]

i usually dont raid

[fathom holly]

u will never get boots

idol you can farm but a slightly worse version

[teal wing]

i have hc idol

[unkempt smelt]

then maybe go for boots, or run some sims

if u dont raid with a guild and will never kill mythic soul hunters its a good pick

[glass mortar]

hmm

@gaunt phoenix is there something weird with boots

do they buff the proc rate way more than advirtised

[agile quiver]

is there guaranteed a certain number of boots per soul hunters kill?

[glass mortar]

im just checking our logs on some fights tonight and i have substantially less procs then anyone else in raid

boots or no boots

like people are averaging 30-50 procs over this full fight

i got 17

[unkempt smelt]

idol be in every vault tho lol

i have like no tier set yet so idk lol, i think i'll wait

[cedar kernel]

oh no

idol looks quite juicy

[unkempt smelt]

yeah i think i'll take idol tbh

i miss not having an on use trinket

[teal wing]

i can buy idol when turbo boost comes

hehe

[cedar kernel]

it depends if u can got 4set this week

[teal wing]

500 iq

[unkempt smelt]

i have not a single part yet, only sitting on my 2 cata charges

[echo hill]

Better took the part to be sure to get the 4p next week i think

[fallen eagle]

is this a commit outlaw angle?

can't see myself missing this but this also screams fuck sub

[strong halo]

Would you guys take mythic weapon or heroic rare boots

[torpid fiber]

is it a good weapon

[cedar kernel]

sim maybe

[rare rapids]

Do we hold KS if we have vanish charges? I assume not

[torpid fiber]

I feel like you're probably trolling long-term to not take a good myth track weapon

[cedar kernel]

no KS has higher prio

[strong halo]

I think sim doesn’t take into account the difficulty to get one or the other

[torpid fiber]

The opposite, in fact. You hold vanish if ks is low cd

[rare rapids]

Ok ok super helpful ty - Feel like I wasn't using it enough and now I know I haven't been

[strong halo]

What do you guys do when you generate CDG and you have like 1.5 seconds left on AR

Double send low combo or just vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

thats enough for coup coup and then vanish during coup

[torpid fiber]

Check out #outlaw-faq both the basic rotation and also the advanced stuff, the advanced stuff is laid out in sections rather than rotations

[strong halo]

YeH but low combo points no?

[sullen wyvern]

is the prism trinket from the raid undersimming?

[gaunt phoenix]

thats fine

[gaunt phoenix]

not to my knowledge

[sullen wyvern]

I couldve swear that it doesl ike 60million to my DH friend but its only like a 0.5% upgrade for me

maybe it does so much dmg cuz it has no mainstat at all

[glass mortar]

yes

[torpid fiber]

yeah, meters for trinkets are fake bc of stats

[unkempt smelt]

nah tbh next week we have 3 cata charges and i can get set in vault again or drop it in raid so i think i'll go idol

[echo hill]

The rule with the second Coup is to send it with low CP if we have to build CP with SS right ?

[sullen wyvern]

also. is there like a minimum crit chance I should be aiming for? Cuz I've been simming and I dropped to 24% crit, idk if that's good

[glass mortar]

doesnt rlly matter

[strong halo]

I actually think rare boots might be goated. My cloak did like 8% of my dmg one pull

[glass mortar]

can trust sims

[gaunt phoenix]

there's not a magic number, 24% doesnt unlock anything over 23%

[sullen wyvern]

aight

still no raiod trinket boys

this new guild I joined is starving me

[echo hill]

As you wish !

[cedar kernel]

1st week no way to loot huh?

[sullen wyvern]

1st nor second

[cedar kernel]

yea i could understand that rule

[sullen wyvern]

That's not the reason they gave me when I brought it up

[cedar kernel]

bc i rly saw someone take 3 gears at the first week then left the guild

[sullen wyvern]

they gave soulhunter tirnket to the other rogue

that maxed out his soulhunter boots for whatever reason

[cedar kernel]

oh

[sullen wyvern]

instead of a myt h track helm

[strong halo]

Soul Hunter boots are insane

[lucid sandal]

I'm saved

[sullen wyvern]

yeah but there's no value of maxing them out

[cedar kernel]

gzgz

[sullen wyvern]

its not like the effect is incerasing with ilvl

[strong halo]

Ah true

[cedar kernel]

bait here

[strong halo]

Yeah that’s legit dumb unless he’s Assas

[sullen wyvern]

big, gratz dude. I am not jelaous at all

[echo hill]

This ruined my first vault xd

[sullen wyvern]

anyways

gotta suck it up

[cedar kernel]

it even not jumpping up to my vault

[lucid sandal]

I had the absolute worst luck first week bro

[grave carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-robin-hsr-hsr-honkai-star-rail-vrchat-gif-7350755098757630960

[lucid sandal]

I am 1 tier

[sullen wyvern]

They also make an almost 30+ man raid and is almost impossible to properly play any fight as outlaw

[strong halo]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Ellesus

Idk if I’m lucky or unlucky

My neck / rings are asss

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[strong halo]

That’s my guild you applying?

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel found your alt

[cedar kernel]

mommy milkers honk honk

[tired rune]

[strong halo]

also being dependent on sac brood for haste is meh

[stiff vector]

I love playing 1fth and gettinjg the mkost dogshit rng on a boss

[strong halo]

When does EU open vaults?

@gaunt phoenix how was your vault?

[tired rune]

When it’s bad… it’s real bad

[bright crane]

damn playing without sleight of hand

pretty noticable..

[lucid sandal]

25mn ago

[echo hill]

It’ up now I think

[long barn]

Is there a WA that tracks your ADR uptime in keys, like the percentage

[bright crane]

just look at details

ur auras

[long barn]

Kinda wanted the percentage on the screen lol

So I can remember where I fucked up

Maybe it’s not doable

[rich moon]

so, I crafted main hand, got a heroic off hand, should I craft an off hand anyway or a ring (got last season rings)?

[normal aurora]

Hey folks, i'm looking into the advanced tips for outlaw and trying to figure out what things i'm doing wrong. One note in particular -> how important is it to hold vanish windows for when you have Ruthless Precision?

[strong halo]

You can sim all crafted. Offhand doesn’t provide massive boost.

[strong halo]

Curious on what others think but I don’t consider it at all. You time vanish for stacks and AR uptime.

[rich moon]

not that much tbh, as long as AR is active I vanish on CD

[normal aurora]

sorry, i should have specified its specifically for KIR FB

[strong halo]

That still applies

[glass mortar]

well RP is a rule for fatebound

and its a normal rule not like a minor minmax

if ur naked vanishing and wont drop adr/dont have supercharger or RP

probably a couple % loss

[strong halo]

Not sure I follow this

[glass mortar]

what

the rules to vanish as fatebound are 1: u have RP, 2: u have supercharger stacks or 3: u will drop adr

[strong halo]

What do you mean naked vanishing

[glass mortar]

vanishing without hitting any of those conditions

[strong halo]

Ahh

[rich moon]

honestly, to me I just make sure to use vanish with AR to maintain AR (or to avoid capping vanish stacks)

[strong halo]

I feel like this is 95% of scenarios

But I could be wrong

[bright crane]

damn bro i kinda miss old tier

[glass mortar]

its not a massive min max because u r usually vanishing for the other conditions, not the RP one

but it does come up once a twice a fight usually

[bright crane]

i didnt realize how many extra rtb buffs that plus sleight gave

[frail veldt]

is it my boi

[bright crane]

RIP in peace

[normal aurora]

I'm doing some log compares trying to find where i can improve and am noticing large gaps in avg dmg for BTE between me and some of these big pumpers.

[sullen wyvern]

This new trickster tierset feels clunkier than s2

idk

I feel kinda fucked if I get shit rolls

[strong halo]

I agree especially in m+ feels less fluid imo

[high parrot]

is warpclaw doing good stuff? ik faq says it was undersimming

[rich moon]

I must be honest, I missed it at first but after a while you have so good of cdr for AR that you have loaded dice pretty much by the end of the buff with or without KIR

the only thing I miss is rolling on cd

[high parrot]

thought maybe that meant that in practice it still keeps up with other options

[strong halo]

In raid it feels better in m+ it feels like 100 times worst

[rich moon]

in raid it's also a lot better due to the lower cd on AR

[sullen wyvern]

yeah, much less fluid

[stiff vector]

i cant believe there are 5 DHs in this raid group and 0 warriors

[sullen wyvern]

depends a lot on cto procs most of the time

[rich moon]

but honestly, in M+ I've felt it right if the tank is doing decent pulls imo

[rich moon]

this one is true, we depend on cto

[high parrot]

could also go for hero track tier chest but i already have champ track

[sullen wyvern]

cto should be 30%

[stiff vector]

they should just make it dou8bled in stealth

[strong halo]

Tbh if they made it that our tier made CDG generate full combo that would already be more fun on trickster

[wooden herald]

What're yall doin as 2nd craft? Belt?

[storm hemlock]

2 piece 2 piece is an upgrade right?

[strong halo]

You can sim

[wooden herald]

In ST, yes.

Yeah I suppose.

[glass mortar]

info is in the pins

[echo hill]

As FB

[glass mortar]

but simming urself also works

[storm hemlock]

ty

[sullen wyvern]

yeah, simm

I simmed this entire afternoon

biggest upgrade was crit vers 720 ring

[strong halo]

I crafted dagger second for ST increase and option to play Assas on some keys. Call me a traitor

[glossy pewter]

does dimenisus suck for us? breaking my stealth on the way down is pissing me off, apparently our sub rogue doesn't get unstealthed but I do, am I stupid?

[finite arch]

Ret paladins complaining they do low dmg

[rich moon]

don't you love when the pre key rtb gives you yahtzee?

[finite arch]

[rich moon]

(5 bonus)

[gaunt phoenix]

@near rock fuck you !

[near rock]

Is that your character

[gaunt phoenix]

yer

[near rock]

I would have never guessed that’s your name

[lime lake]

i always knew solo was a daedric prince

[rich moon]

is this the same otsdarva that plays dead by daylight? lol

[near rock]

Yeah bro that’s totally him

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[rich moon]

Hahahaha

[torpid fiber]

what an insane gap lmao

[glass mortar]

10 ilvls

[torpid fiber]

i guess that's under ilevel diff tho

[glass mortar]

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[glass mortar]

i guess i am 696 rn in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

normie ilvl

[glass mortar]

still in my s2 tier

[sullen wyvern]

what fight is this?

[gaunt phoenix]

normal plexus lmao

[sullen wyvern]

big pumper

[cedar kernel]

boring day today

[sullen wyvern]

oh damn

oh wow

[cedar kernel]

like 19hrs left to get the vault

[sullen wyvern]

I didnt check my logs for those fights, please ignore soulbinder my guild wants to 30 man that fight and I legit cannot play

[torpid fiber]

i really hope no one was logging the pug raids i played last week

[cedar kernel]

what happened vv

[torpid fiber]

FUCK

[cedar kernel]

💀

[torpid fiber]

i hadn't seen the guides before and i'm olike 674 ilevel

[cedar kernel]

dw vv

i did something worse

[gaunt phoenix]

i keep rolling over 2 buffs like old tier

and then ur chain of actions is altered for the rest of the encounter

[torpid fiber]

if you adjust for ilevel they're very slightly better and i don't have s2 tier so honestly it could be worse given that i was intentionally making myself a mechanics bitch for some of the fights

[sullen wyvern]

same here

is gonna be hard to get rid of that habit now

[hollow creek]

Myth carver wep or antenna both sim the same but What is optimal in m+

Hero antena

[unique fulcrum]

oh no, i have to decide between Ara kara trinket and mythic chest..

[cedar kernel]

if i were u i will choose chest bc i havent got 4pc

[unique fulcrum]

i have 4pc and my chest is only normal

[gaunt phoenix]

chest, there are many good trinkets

[unique fulcrum]

okee

ur right

[cedar kernel]

sac is kinda medium this season

[vagrant jacinth]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[cedar kernel]

the best trinket in my heart is like idol and Astral Antenna

[unique fulcrum]

are you guys using the "free" hc craft or spend gilded to craft again?

[glass mortar]

spending gilded cause i have nothing else to spend them on

xd

if u have decent myth track gear upgrade that and just send the free craft

[unique fulcrum]

well i just the mythic chest, sooo hmmh

[glass mortar]

upgrade ur chest

its ilvl will be worth more then the dif between craft levels of ur second spark

[sly robin]

was the dmg increase frm 2set to 4set ?

[unique fulcrum]

alright bet, will do!

[violet ferry]

Roughly 4.2069%

[radiant vessel]

need to sim but, i already have 4 set. what would you choose? myth wep i assume right

Also crafted wep week one

[keen belfry]

Why am I so geared

Who did this to me

[hidden bay]

Probably the same dev that pushed for ks rework

Goat

[keen belfry]

He needs to continue his ks rework

[hidden bay]

With what we had cant complain anymore

[frail veldt]

adventurer cudgel vs 704 dagger

still cudgel above 5 count?

[storm hemlock]

has anyone actually tried aoe fatebound with 2pc 2pc for keys?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah but it felt strange

[zenith egret]

Oh when the game tells you to fuck off..

[craggy barn]

guys

i think fb in gambit is the play

[storm hemlock]

dungeon slice works for rogue top gear sim right?

ish?

[covert kestrel]

gambit??

[covert kestrel]

ye dslice is m+

[mossy shell]

So I got the tier set today finally and have done a few keys

And I have to say

It feels awful

[storm hemlock]

cool ty
ya 2pc 2pc is simming like +285k M+ and almsot double that single target

[mossy shell]

like why would they do this lmao

[covert kestrel]

1fth is really rough without last tier

[strong halo]

Hard agreeee.l

[bright crane]

what about trinket?

thats a bis trinket

[echo hill]

Can you show your talent build ?

[weary fog]

I miss my old four set 😔

[bright crane]

ya dude

[mossy shell]

What is 1fth I'm stupid

[covert kestrel]

MAKE S3 DF TIER BASELINE

[bright crane]

i didnt realize how much bad luck protection it gave

[covert kestrel]

1 point in fan the hammer

[mossy shell]

oh

[storm hemlock]

pls dont scrutinize too ahrd lmao

[covert kestrel]

so you can take both pc and gs

[mossy shell]

I have 2 points in fan

[weary fog]

It feels so ass not having broadside for so long

Just staring and praying for cto to hit

[balmy topaz]

First world problems

[storm hemlock]

ya I really am gonna miss 4 piece I was so disappointed when I saw no tier helped our bones rolls

[echo hill]

Do we have to play loaded dice with 2p 2p ?

[storm hemlock]

idek lol

I am the furthest from an authority

[mossy shell]

I would just play like you have 4pc, min maxing for 2/2 seems pointless when you will replace that soon

get used to loaded dice, blizz hates fun

[keen belfry]

this is what playing sub looks like

[echo hill]

Try to sim with loaded dice I think

[bright crane]

rofl

is sub that easy?

[keen belfry]

when youre saving for cds, yes

[bright crane]

epic

[covert kestrel]

awanga do i craft oh dagger just so i can fuck around with sub or am i a coward and stick with law til i get a heroic dagger

[keen belfry]

i did oh dagger

i have crafted a sword and a dagger

[strong halo]

Crafting axe is wild.

[storm hemlock]

for the moooooog

I have the others already lol

[strong halo]

Why you playing sub tho on that fight

[keen belfry]

was normal reclear

[tight kernel]

Thought about that but think I just wait for myth wep and sent it on perma embellishment slot

[strong halo]

I crushed an Assas and sub today on that figt

Outlaw Supremacy

Heroic tho

[keen belfry]

yeah probs worth, but oh well it wont matter later when we all geared

[tight kernel]

Big true

[keen belfry]

i just feel like

i must play assa in a few keys this season

or even sub in streets/dawn

[strong halo]

Bro I love awang I did the same. St increase + no weapon swap in m* + other spec playable

[keen belfry]

oh shit youre right i dont need to weap swap

[strong halo]

You’re my soul sister

Assas just feels better in some keys

Well not ST that shits so boring

[radiant vessel]

For m+ I mostly do that

[bright crane]

ya

its a bis trinket

for everything

its basically pacemaker, but better

[keen belfry]

bait or no

or am i in?

[strong halo]

Idk if it’s worth taking in vault heroic tho

I rolled 99 on it and lost in a tie

[bright crane]

depends on what his trinkets are?

esp if he doesnt mythic raid

[strong halo]

There’s just so many good trinkets rn

[bright crane]

i mean

[strong halo]

Don’t think this one’s that much better that it warrants taking it over a myth piece

[stiff vector]

I keep losing cosmic hunt and special boots

[bright crane]

i got N cosmic hunt today

its the little victories

[frail veldt]

Okay whats up with the new tier @gaunt phoenix sometimes I lose all my stacks of UB from one SS press???

[bright crane]

perfect 🙂

[frail veldt]

do the extra hits from UB consume more stacks too???

if so thats so troll

[tight kernel]

Nexus dead

[jolly geyser]

Who kill

[tight kernel]

Yeah I told my push team the same. Taz dungeon is assa or sub angle

[tight kernel]

Liquid

[jolly geyser]

[tight kernel]

[torpid fiber]

0 shot they don't go dark

[tight kernel]

Oh they do

[keen belfry]

like man, i did double outlaw floodgate

14

[torpid fiber]

it's defs right to go dark as well

[keen belfry]

and i swear outlaw is ass

we just gamered the key

[tight kernel]

Yeah it’s bed time for them no way they give away dimmy tech

[tight kernel]

It feels bad this tier man.

[keen belfry]

prio mobs LIVE

[tight kernel]

Like you can put half the effort and play assa and do better

[keen belfry]

no cap assa hard in aoe

to really play it at high level

but you can do very very good damage being semi decent at assa

spread ruptures during id window, send cds, profit

[dawn talon]

i mean to play it at the level zeross does sure

but to play it at a level where you can competently do 15s rn

pretty simple

[tight kernel]

Do gas zeross

Don’t *

[dawn talon]

idk he comes in here and ragebaits for no reason but that guy is legit a rogue savant

[keen belfry]

i was watching his vods on how to actually play assa

[peak holly]

Sweet

[balmy topaz]

Okay okay

Guys

What am I getting

[balmy topaz]

Huge

Naa

fuck you too blizzard

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gentle lotus]

hello i saw on wowhead it says our best stats are vers and haste, but archon indiates crit n vers are most popular

[balmy topaz]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[serene solstice]

Is it worth to cancel KS for Vanish ?

[cedar kernel]

did they fix fb bug?

[south scaffold]

Guys, how is outlaw performing right now, like just for low keys around +10-12, just dmg wise.
One of the better specs?

[timid portal]

Is it better to open the vault as sin to get daggers if im gonna craft weapon?

[hardy relic]

Guys whats better a myth track warpclaw or a hero track antena ? I mostly do m+ and I know both are good even though antena pulls ahead in aoe (not a big raider myself)

[heavy shadow]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[heavy shadow]

A question I always wondered, does your loot spec have an impact on trinkets that drop from vault?

i assume not

but this junk 🙁

[warm adder]

dagger always?

[heavy shadow]

compared to rest I wuld say so 😛

[shy sandal]

this ring ok for now?

nothing else here is really decent

or should i take the weapon for OH since main will be crafted today

[fluid iron]

did my hm taz last night, and got a mythic outlaw wep

[chilly dagger]

which bug is this

[cedar kernel]

7 coin?

[chilly dagger]

ah

i got my 4 set tongiht and somehow feel stealth nerfed but i think i just need to get used to manual gs and loaded dice

[heavy shadow]

So how big is the trickster 4 piece in reality? Does it add that much dps having two coup?

[chilly dagger]

feel like i'm not getting any rolls like with last 4 set

[frail veldt]

Not since a few hours ago

[frail veldt]

Nah

It's pretty weak overall compared to previous tier

[heavy shadow]

Yeah I thought so from a bit of testing then

Fatebound one sounds better

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel is the new tier supposed to work like this?

or is the UB tracker bugged

if I have 3 stacks EB and 2 stacks UB and my 2 set procs, it consumes both stacks of my UB

hella annoying

[shy sandal]

so is which is better now trick or fate?

[frail veldt]

trick for aoe fate for st

[shy sandal]

ok so i stay trick for m+ got it

[radiant vessel]

4 set seems slowly for some reason to me

[polar roost]

need help what should i chose

bis Trinked hc / Set hc or myth wep with bis stats Q.Q

[hardy relic]

well turns out a hero track antenna beats a myth track claw (i have already have a maxxed champion claw)

[next wedge]

prob myth wep

hc trinket is very easy to eventually get

[polar roost]

ok

thanks for the help

[next wedge]

the only myth wep ur gonna replace that one with is the dimensious myth wep

which idk if you're a ce raider but if you're not then you're legit never gonna get that

[polar roost]

im ce raider

so its fine

ok thx for the help

[next wedge]

ok love u

[keen belfry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy topaz]

Naaa

wtf

[hollow creek]

Is the antenna big in m+?? Got myth sord crit vers and antenna What to get for aoe

[worldly shale]

so do we just always go second coup without cp?

or bf, ps to build it?

[livid smelt]

Where is a good place to learn about current outlaw?

i feel like im playing it wrong atm

[fluid iron]

cant play it tho, got 0 haste gear

[frail veldt]

does anyoen else have 4 set who has played trickster

[torpid fiber]

#outlaw-faq is actually really well put together and a worthwhile read

[balmy topaz]

I tried to pug it

It went as well as you think

[light kernel]

is this last trinket bis for us or take chest?

[bright crane]

It’s one of our bis

If u can’t get the raid ones

[light kernel]

God dang it qeek 1 and hard choice already

Week*

[bright crane]

Hunt, antenna are tops, claw is runner up for damage proc

And/or sac if u need the haste

Yeah that’s a tough one

[grave carbon]

ring craft this week?

[red zinc]

Naw

[balmy topaz]

quickest way to get strands for back?

[inner meadow]

when do i use cursed stone idol? before i go out of stealth or only outside of subterfuge window

[knotty scaffold]

trink bis in mm+

that the only one item without mastery .. no choice right ?

[inner meadow]

sim it :)

[knotty kettle]

huge trouble for me kek !

[rotund zodiac]

Me

[gritty hamlet]

So, apparently the Prey feature short shows an Outlaw rogue dual wielding daggers.

[frail veldt]

wang answered me

I hate new trickster 2 set lol

its so shit

[rotund zodiac]

With 4 set it’s so much CDR

[frail veldt]

nah not that

[rotund zodiac]

Just like double coup bug lmao

[frail veldt]

I hate how the procs get watsed

[torpid fiber]

oh?

[frail veldt]

randomly

super tilting

[rotund zodiac]

Oh that, yeah

When I’m have 2 stacks UB, I have to hit once and wait a bit to see if it procs the extra

So annoying

[gritty hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J70RTBh_nwA at least I'm being told that is the dagger animations on an outlaw.

[frail veldt]

that could be a level 10

[lament flume]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frail veldt]

like thats just their cinematic tool

I dont think that can be speculated on for class changes

[safe pasture]

what talents are ppl using for hero dim? i cant do damage for shit on it

[simple gull]

Would be nice to be more flexible into other classes but doesn't really fit the outlaw theme. But I guess since we are bound to our vanish windows now I guess it can make sense

[gritty hamlet]

level 10 has RtBs? But yeah. I can't imagine them making all 3 rogue specs daggers

[frail veldt]

oh sorry I was looking at the earlier clip

but yeah im still not sure thats worth thinking about lol

[wintry solar]

They sometimes showcase specs/classes equipping things they don't normally equip.

Like the evoker in druid gear I think it was when war camps were announced

[frail veldt]

Yeah I dont think thats a person playing as much as it is them like programming animations

[gritty hamlet]

that was specifically a random mock up vs gameplay.

[frail veldt]

this is like advanced levels of speculation haha

[gritty hamlet]

It does the sinister strike animation at least haha.

[frail veldt]

Im not in the business of that

dont see the point

[wintry solar]

He also wasn't shooting

[frail veldt]

just mashing SS

combat coming back?

daggers and no pistols?

fuck it lets speculate

outlaw deleted

Combat reigns again

[wintry solar]

I'm pretty sure this is just a visualization of Prey

If my shitpost that @stiff vector thinks I believe actually happens I'll pay you $100 paypal

I forgot about murder row

What an under utilized city

[stuck lance]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[knotty scaffold]

hast cap is still 20% in mm+ and 22% in raid ? or smth lie that ?

[frail veldt]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[knotty scaffold]

ty

[timid idol]

I literally called it

when i crafted

this stupid fucking weapon

i called it

i knew that this fucking company

would give me myth weapon in my first vault

-1 actually useful craft ig

[cedar bone]

do i only use between the eyes if invis/subterfuge?

and then spam it?

[timid portal]

[cedar bone]

brother im so out of outlaw.. didnt play this df s1

[timid idol]

respect for acc grinding delves

[normal forge]

did any1 got mythic boots bis from vault?

[worthy thunder]

Hmm Trinkets, 4 Set, Weapon...what to do...

[molten topaz]

what's the deal with sims? I'm at 23% haste, and it's telling me to recraft more haste - do we just smash haste now?

[dim widget]

Ye my outlaw sims also favoured a lot of haste for some reason

[edgy pond]

are the boots from soul hunters really that good to be beating out myth track pieces in sims even on champ track?

[gritty hamlet]

the proc rate is that good

30% more cloak procs is a lot

[frail veldt]

link sim?

[molten topaz]

..wait, I see what happened here, it traded a ring out, ignore me, I just suck at sims

[frail veldt]

all good

thats usually the result when someone says sim is telling them to add more haste

lol

[unique fulcrum]

can they finally announce assa nerfs please..

[dim widget]

Assa is fine

Why nerf

[frail veldt]

bro

how about

lock nerfs

the fuck you mean assa nerfs

[unique fulcrum]

idcc about other classes

[dim widget]

Ye nerf locks

[frail veldt]

how about asking for a buff

nerfing assa doesnt help us

then were just both bad

[dim widget]

Bring other speccs up

Apart from hunters and rets

Those can stay z tier till eternity

[wintry solar]

Fuck it

Buff everyone. Now we're all OP

[red zinc]

[timid idol]

buff greenskin to 1k%

[proven ocean]

guys

to what renown does it get me t after i finish all main quest+side quests in karesh

[red zinc]

Got 2 tier pieces from 2 bosses in lfr

Lmao

[limpid stream]

is myth pacemaker worth it atm even if i farm the raid ? xd

[dim widget]

8 or Smth I think

No wait that also includes dungeon weekly

So only story and Sidequest prob 6 or 7

[south swallow]

Yo guys, for outlaw what should i craft, wrist or rings? i got heavy mastery rn so maybe ring would be better for more vers?

[worthy thunder]

Is there a reason I cant sim Sigil?

[inland acorn]

hower over ! and see what it says

[daring oxide]

Wrists is usually better as its lowest dps item, you can craft good ring next weeks.

Use the free runed crest this week from dimmy quest

[south swallow]

Thank you, is it bad wanting to min max a little bit thoe? we raid 4 days and i want to have some more vers and less mastery, would you advise agaist me crafting gidled crest ring now?

[dim widget]

Right now? Yes

Use gildeds on weapon -> trinket -> mainstat pieces

Mainstat pieces are chest for example

Shoulders legs and helm too? Not sure

Need to check

The pieces that give giga agi

So not wrists belt feet for example

[proven ocean]

worst design ever invented in wow

renown fucking bullshit

infinite aug runes gated by some fucked up system

[dim widget]

It's the same to how rep always workes tbh

[proven ocean]

that literally only high end players will use

[dim widget]

Just the ui is better

[proven ocean]

rep renown its the same shit

they're all dogshit

[dim widget]

And it's account wide now

[grave carbon]

still dogshit

[proven ocean]

ye that doesn't help because the questline gives 0

[dim widget]

Ye but we don't need it anymore

[grave carbon]

just let me do keys

[proven ocean]

on alts

[dim widget]

Why do you care about it

It's irrelevant

[proven ocean]

?

i spend millions on aug runes every season

i dont play +2 keys

[dim widget]

Just don't be a brokie

[proven ocean]

ur talking like u have 50m in ur bank

i spent over 15m last season alone

[dim widget]

It might be better to make alts and get the free runes from undermine

Then despair on renown farm for perma rune

You'll get it eventually if you want

Finish story

Do dungeon weekly

Do the lore book farm

And weekly delve rep

[south swallow]

Thank you chadlaw andvai

[dim widget]

I would highly advise against rare rep farm and wq farm, that shit will just give brain damage

[proven ocean]

wtf is weekly delve rep

[dim widget]

Bountiful delve

Gives a big rep reward

Once a week

[proven ocean]

only in the new area?

[dim widget]

No for all reps

It's random which on you get

Best case one delve is wenough

Worst case you have to do 6

It's like 1k rep or smth per faction

[proven ocean]

so i spam bountiful delve and it may give me 1k karesh rep?

[dim widget]

No don't spam

You run 1-6 per week

Mby u get on first

Mby on last

Or in between

[proven ocean]

okok

[dim widget]

I think you need to open the bountiful chest tho

[proven ocean]

whats that

[dim widget]

So prob need keys

[dim widget]

There is collectibles in kareah

The spyglass icons on minimap

They give like 200rep each I think?

[proven ocean]

no idea whats that

okok

[dim widget]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/karesh-zone-unlocking-flying-treasures

@proven ocean

Use that as a map for the things

Also

/run for k, v in pairs({ Assembly = 83318,Council = 83317,Spooders = 83319,Hallowfall = 83320,Undermine = 83321,Karesh = 83322}) do print(format("%s: %s", k, C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(v) and "\124cff00ff00Yes\124r" or "\124cffff0000No\124r")) end

This script lets you check which delve rep tokens you got already

(the undermine and kareah IDs might be wrong not sure)

[proven ocean]

okok

what if i do worldquests on like

5 accounts

i get 650 per 2 WQs?

@dim widget

[dim widget]

No idea

Rep from normal quest is once per account I would assume it to be same for wqs

But need to experiment yourself ig

Afaik know the only "infinite" farm is rares

But they give 15 each so yeee

Oh they might be daily locked

So not even true infinite

My advice:

• do the one time things
• weeklies (dungeon quest in follower mode, do delves until you get karesh rep, do phase diving weekly)

Don't bother with anything else

Get Darkmoon buff for the things if available

Can do wqs if they give rep and you really care to get the rune a few days earlier

But rep is giga front loaded on onetime and weekly stuff

[red zinc]

that enhanced boost maxes out all reps except for kareshi

from preorder

glad i was lazy lmao

[fallen knot]

definitely a neck angle yes, it's the haste vers one

[tall shore]

guys any outlow meme?

[unkempt smelt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QjPesrkfU3c idk if you saw this

[velvet dagger]

antena all the way?

[dapper shuttle]

what a vault lol

[final grail]

What do I take 😢

Brood seems bad right

[waxen scarab]

garbage

[exotic gale]

english lessons

[final grail]

Cringelord

[quaint mauve]

xan-zongerbrangerdash

name scurwd

secured

rank 1 ol soon

[frosty kettle]

Mega cringe bro

[frosty kettle]

with this maybe egg?

[zinc briar]

whre we break set?

[wary zinc]

can anybody explain me whats about the nightfall cudgel ?

[zinc briar]

where we break the set?

[cobalt sail]

Since the last hot fix i feel like I lost 1 Million dps… wtf is wrong

[zinc briar]

@vivid vessel where are u!!

[vagrant saddle]

what hotfix?

[cobalt sail]

@vivid vessel lord help us

[red zinc]

dawg

why are yall spam pinging people over bs

tier break thing is in pins

[vivid vessel]

Update weak aura

[spring stream]

hey guys, can you get daggers as outlaw spec from vault?

[red zinc]

no

[rancid wolf]

Holy, never seen an outlaw head to head this close

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel

Come 15 streets

[vivid vessel]

No

[balmy topaz]

wow wtf

[vivid vessel]

I timed 15 street 5 weeks ago noob

No need

[dim widget]

On live? I think that is a lie

[balmy topaz]

Y U lying zaac

[vivid vessel]

No I'm not

Open the street thing

[wintry solar]

you best be the top outlaw

[vivid vessel]

The 15 I did

Like early in the week

Was timed in game

[balmy topaz]

Over time

[vivid vessel]

Just raider io doesn't have the correct timer

[balmy topaz]

Ahhh

[vivid vessel]

He look what the timer is in game bud

Noob

[desert tendon]

Ruby is now the Best french outlaw

I ve decided

[vivid vessel]

And they buffed it again this reset I think

This key is timed 15 times now

No cap

[balmy topaz]

Ye I need it

gg

[rancid wolf]

nah i was the ele lol

[stable kindle]

why is new 4 set simming -100k dps for me :c

[balmy topaz]

[weary fog]

are u using loaded dice over sleight of hand

[vivid vessel]

worse vault ever gg !

[zinc briar]

where we break set?

[rapid grail]

signet isnt good?

[analog mulch]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[vivid vessel]

for what

[rapid grail]

outlaw m+

i mean the signet trinket

[vivid vessel]

nah i dont want m+ stuffs for now

im progging

[rapid grail]

ah kk

its good btw at all?

[dim widget]

Ring is good no? Vers mastery banger for sub

[vivid vessel]

taking a ring is troll

imo

[dim widget]

Ofc it is

But better than socket ig? Or is the tier at least hc > myth upgrade

[vivid vessel]

ye im just taking tier shoulders prolly

[dim widget]

Shoulder is big agi isn't it

[vivid vessel]

2nd big

you want head chest legs

[dim widget]

Or be a rat and wait for raid 🐀

Snag em in raid and take ring

[heavy shadow]

Hey guys, for the trickster 4 piece, how do we use it when it procs? Should we use it instantly without cp or rebuild to full

[vale warren]

Use it instantly if you'd have to press ss to build

[knotty scaffold]

do we craft 2nd embelish 720 or upgrade the myth drop this week ?

[heavy shadow]

What exactly is the basis of this, coup adds +5 combo points so effectively you're getting e.g. 1+5 CP finisher for free. This is better than spending energy to build with ss for a e.g. 10 combo point. have I understood it?

[quaint mauve]

cows

[inland acorn]

Its better because you dont want to waste UB procs

[quaint mauve]

unseen blade

[heavy shadow]

I think I need to read into what this means exactly then, will check the FAQ as I think I saw it there

[inland acorn]

Basically you want to cycle as much coups as you can

Meaning you dont want to waste unseen blade stacks

[quaint mauve]

unseen blade is procced by ss

[timid idol]

finally

[quaint mauve]

you don’t wanna ss during coup

bc u don’t get ub while coup is up

[heavy shadow]

Okay so 1st coup:

• pistol shot ready, use it, then 2nd coup
• only ss, send 2nd early

[inland acorn]

Yes, unless you can BF with deft or PS

[heavy shadow]

or BF yeh

[inland acorn]

Anything that gives you CP without pressing SS

[timid idol]

uh

is 2 cursed vers ring ench fine?

it eats mastery so it should be fine right?

[inland acorn]

Sim it, but its usually on par with normal vers enchant or like 0.1%

[timid idol]

cheers

[heavy shadow]

Okay, so why is it bad to use SS before second coup. If it's guaranteed to proc UB, why don't we want to use it there?

This 20s window thing?

so using it after means less time to next coup

[inland acorn]

Because you waste stacks

[heavy shadow]

using it before means you don't contribute towards the next coup (3rd in this example)

[inland acorn]

You dont gain stacks for next coup

[heavy shadow]

right got it

[inland acorn]

While you have one ready/active

[heavy shadow]

Outlaw is tricksy

[timid idol]

you get used to it

its not that bad

or maybe it is idk

theres specs i do not understand at all

[heavy shadow]

Yeah well I've been playing it for ages but to a fairly amateur level and I've finally built up the motivation to start understanding it better as this season it seems to be comparing nicely to other classes finally

What happened anyway, a few months ago it was all doom and gloom here, then it went live and we seem to be doing decent

[torpid fiber]

it is all doom and gloom here

you must have slept through it

[timid idol]

bte higher contribution now

[torpid fiber]

some ppl think it's the worst raid tier for outlaw in expansions

[timid idol]

killing spree

this spec is my main

and i refused to play it last szn

i do not care about meta

i always play whatever i want in m+ and grind anyway

but old killing spree was so insanely unfun you have no idea

[past light]

Hmm why do i sim the same dmg between old 4P ilvl 680 and new 4P ilvl 694

[torpid fiber]

did you remember to swap to Loaded Dice for the new 4p sim

[rapid grail]

how much haste needed as KIR?

20%?

[torpid fiber]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[timid idol]

shows up as pretty decent in wowlogs no?

or am i not reading them well

[past light]

Oh no 😮

[torpid fiber]

it does but a lot of that is early bosses/heroic

[timid idol]

ok that is very true

BUT

[torpid fiber]

we just have lots of really dumb downsides in talents that make it bad

[timid idol]

i aint doing more than heroic and first couple mythic

[torpid fiber]

and dimensius is such an ass fight for us on literally every difficulty

[timid idol]

so its none of my business 😎

[past light]

I wasn't aware of that part

ty

[timid idol]

is it pure st

or what's bad about it

[heavy shadow]

Oh, I know, I also played S2 and I pissed of many many PuGs with my deaths 😄

[torpid fiber]

you can't enter it in stealth, constant long forced downtime

[timid idol]

i haven't touched raid too much yet

[timid idol]

dawnbreaker style

i hate that garbage dungeon

people unironically voted this over cinderbrew

[torpid fiber]

we actually want pure st rn bc of how fatebound works

[heavy shadow]

The AoE cap still upsets me, seeing a warlock do 16bn on first pack compared to my 8 or so

[timid idol]

cinderbrew was free rio and people voted dawnbreaker :DDDDDDDD

[timid idol]

isnt it not too far ahead after 4p compared to trickster

or is it still 10%

[desert tendon]

People dont care about io

They care about trinkets

[timid idol]

yea but its fine, you recoup dps in the following packs