I might have found some people that are cool with pushing
#outlaw
fallow hinge
cedar kernel
should i push for 4000?
fallow hinge
so I might actually get a chance to run some higher keys this season
cedar kernel
is it possible
fallow hinge
and for once I'm playing a meta class for it
civic zephyr
Hi guys
buoyant cosmos
I need to find a phys team to play with <:Sadge:766602337380597800>
stay away from the pug warriors and get a feral druid lol
most of the ones we've tried have been shocking
stiff vector
nah I dont have issues finding/knowing good warriors whether prot or dps
fallow hinge
phys is pretty decent this season right
stiff vector
only prob is so many of the peopel I used to push with dont really play anymore 
fallow hinge
sorry to tell you that
more meta than most of my other picks
civic zephyr
I am returning to wow after long time. Anything new? (I was never good at it really)
desert tendon
desert tendon
I am returning to wow after long time. Anything new? (I was never good at it rea...
depends if you return from 2 seasons or from classic
gotta be precise
desert tendon
yep once i quit obv
buoyant cosmos
<:poggers:652288776021999626>
Ruby still kicked for playing outlaw lol
desert tendon
i dont think meta will be phys
assa doesnt really need raidbuffs to be great rn 
can bring better specs with it
fallow hinge
sin arcane frost
desert tendon
I still have a cookie for you
dw i ll never forget about it, patch 13.3 i ll be coming back
brave lagoon
big vault
fallow hinge
I made a hella risky gamble by crafting my offhand last week
desert tendon
cuz people do keys with their prog class
civic zephyr
depends if you return from 2 seasons or from classic
Returning from free trial two years ago.
fallow hinge
so if I don't get a myth weapon I'm down a spark as I'll have to craft a sword
desert tendon
Returning from free trial two years ago.
it did change a lot in gameplay
Having a fully new talent revamps and even a sub talent tree called hero talent
fallow hinge
btw censi I'm gonna start collecting crit gear so I can play frost sometimes too
frostfire's actually hella
pyrospike is really satisfying to watch
civic zephyr
it did change a lot in gameplay
Noice. Really excited to be outlawing again.
desert tendon
outlaw still a fast paced piece of pirate thing, sub a cd burst dude that does nothing inbetween cd, and assa gettting buff every patch while already being the best rogue spec but for boomers
yea i told you
frostfire frost
is cozy in keys
fallow hinge
frost getting ignite is kinda nuts
desert tendon
you just press buttons and you re happy
infinite ressources you dont need to care about
fallow hinge
and I need something that does better damage in aoe than arcane's 5t cap
desert tendon
infinite flurry
fallow hinge
myth araz?
frail veldt
I am doing some GS shenanigans
desert tendon
herotalent being top dam
stiff vector
42% vers undeathable
civic zephyr
outlaw still a fast paced piece of pirate thing, sub a cd burst dude that does n...
Still we have guns i presume
frail veldt
im holding vanish for gs
fallow hinge
yeah KS isn't nasty anymore
desert tendon
you shoot a barrage of bullets in front of you
which is intresting because KS is something you have to play
fallow hinge
shame it's still a channel
worthy elm
hmm whats best 2nd craft..
desert tendon
yea that s the bad part
fallow hinge
but at least now it's not motion sickness instadeath
stiff vector
i experimented on PTR with holding gs for vanish+ADR sometimes, wasnt sure if it was worth but it did seem to generate more coinge
desert tendon
<:EZ:740724641441775647> 42% vers undeathable
still far from my 59% end of df noob 😎
actually great gear tho
civic zephyr
Tbh I am deciding if I should do Horde or Alliance. Orgrimar is pretty but I didnt saw Stormwind in a long time.
ornate heathBOT
A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.
*But Haste has a **requirement ** because 
Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.
The 
KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after 
Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.
The 
HO build gets 
Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.
You need to use 
Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.
stiff vector
ive still got raid to do and another like 70+ guilded to spend 
fallow hinge
thats fake
know what isn't fake?
frail veldt
<:zerossthinking:1109817889340530708>
im 40%
desert tendon
me i m not fake
civic zephyr
Tbh I am deciding if I should do Horde or Alliance. Orgrimar is pretty but I did...
Whatcha guys think.
desert tendon
fallow hinge
censi confirmed not fake
vivid vessel
hm
fallow hinge
also a qt
vivid vessel
how
desert tendon
alliance all day i would say
vivid vessel
druid buff or not
civic zephyr
alliance all day i would say
What race. I was thinking gnome.
fallow hinge
boe drops have random stats now too Zac, you can get a monostat vers ring with like 9k vers on it
fallow hinge
back in my day, everyone was in shattrath
civic zephyr
back in my days, all the alliance was in ironforge
What else changed story and location wise? I will miss Undercity Dearly.
fallow hinge
gnomes have reclaimed mechagon at last
fallow hinge
dalaran is uhh... not in a good spot rn
civic zephyr
dalaran is uhh... not in a good spot rn
Iron Forge still bussin?
fallow hinge
dunno, I hate that place
long barn
!gear
ornate heathBOT
desert tendon
dwarves did some archeology below it to discover some of their ancestor story
darnassus same as undercity, piece of shit unconvenient npc placements
😠
fallow hinge
nah darnassus placement was good
desert tendon
having to take the fly to left terdrasil also
fallow hinge
central bank went hard
fallow hinge
Zeros about to be perma banned for leaver
civic zephyr
Bro i gotta make a roadtrip.
desert tendon
good riddence
midnight granite
wintry solar
They should give good boy coins to people who have a streak for never leaving
fallow hinge
zeros in the leaver queue pov
fallow hinge
unable to get title because he can only queue with leavers
fallow hinge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTg6y2l4duk
such a good song
desert tendon
it is ikr
rough oriole
is our ST just dogshit in keys
proven ocean
Zeros about to be perma banned for leaver
what are u talking about
rough oriole
or am i just missing somethign
copper radish
just got myself a nice max crafted ring with a nice gem embelish on it
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006>
what am i looking at
midnight granite
what are u talking about
New leave penalty
proven ocean
what about it
midnight granite
Thats it
proven ocean
i dont play lfg anyways
fallow hinge
why is zeros chicken soup and red now
proven ocean
idc
midnight granite
Thats the whole bit
fluid meadow
yeah but if u r just altf4 what can do
desert tendon
i mean that s good tbh
fluid meadow
like vote system works with 4 peep and the "leaver" not getting penalty or anything just abusing this bug, and have to report but nobody cares about that
fallow hinge
even if you had a way of detecting forced game closures, people would just yank the ethernet cable out or something instead
desert tendon
even if you had a way of detecting forced game closures, people would just yank ...
you cant without a anticheat
and even so
too hard
also when to know if it s just internet issues, can happen to anyone
fallow hinge
exactly
desert tendon
that s why i never been really mad to a leaver in league / valo, can happen
if my bro was to fall and had to be brought to the hospital, trust me i ll altf4 no word also
copper radish
dont forget ur guys weekly if u dont have the 691 mace yet
fallow hinge
I can't even use maces
fallow hinge
no
civic zephyr
we dont care for PI right?
fallow hinge
I do
fallow hinge
:3
desert tendon
we dont care for PI right?
pi is better on every tank in the game than outlaw
fallow hinge
and me
wintry solar
If I, the main character, have it, then no one else does and that makes me happy
desert tendon
and liz
fallow hinge
If I, the main character, have it, then no one else does and that makes me happy
yeah it gets boring when you're not around
wintry solar
Every buff belongs to me
fallow hinge
we kind of space out and wait for you to show up again
desert tendon
no me
wintry solar
Us
wintry solar
yeah it gets boring when you're not around
Daww
wintry solar
What??
fallow hinge
it's true
wintry solar
Come onnn
fallow hinge
Censi is precious
desert tendon
yea i am
fallow hinge
my raid leader says so
wintry solar
Censi is precious
desert tendon
always listen to the raid leader
digital gale
hi guys!, should i craft my Wrist, a ring or a dagger as my second craft?
sharp wharf
!fuu
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granite merlin
ugggggh second week in and no set peices that arent champ in vault my heroic was even a stupid harvesters edict
fallow hinge
My week 1 was so damn good for loot, I'm expecting utter shit in my vault tomorrow
midnight granite
Have you tried looting tier?
fallow hinge
jk I'm getting a myth main hand
midnight granite
For what
fallow hinge
if you need tier, delve line is good
granite merlin
would someone be willing to give me vault advice not on sims but just on best long term pick
im switching from assassination and just overall regearing
midnight granite
Unlucky
granite merlin
midnight granite
Do you raid
midnight granite
Are they going to give you heroic boots
granite merlin
it will be rolled on im sure
fallow hinge
691 is champ, no?
granite merlin
yes
fallow hinge
that's normal raid loot
long barn
I was looking at logs and those damn boots are like 3% dps improvement
It’s crazy for much they buff the cloak
How**
midnight granite
Boots or idol if you want an aoe trinket
granite merlin
i have zero set gear due to luck
long barn
!gear
ornate heathBOT
granite merlin
i have heroic warpclaw and a seaforium
midnight granite
Idol kinda insane, shit to cast but it does damage
granite merlin
and champion netherprism
proper veldt
It’s a hero track idol, you could just farm it in theory so idk
granite merlin
maybe ill just grab boots to get them ;/
proper veldt
Yeah
midnight granite
maybe ill just grab boots to get them ;/
Mb thought idol was myth
red zinc
whats the counterplay to random brann death and melee death on kyveza
red zinc
outside of elusiveness/health pots
lime lake
midnight granite
whats the counterplay to random brann death and melee death on kyveza
Don't play bran
stiff vector
skill diff
red zinc
i dont even get why brann dies on certain ones and not on others
stiff vector
outlaw unkillable gigagod
red zinc
cant they just hard code this guy to not die
wintry solar
https://tenor.com/view/call-me-kevin-kick-the-baby-kick-kicking-punting-gif-1823...
I'm still waiting on an answer btw
keen belfry
how do outlaw weap upgrades work with daggers and swords, like if i have a 720 dagger and 720 sword can i upgrade another sword for free to 710
or not cuz different weapon types
wintry solar
.
floral compass
!fuu
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wintry solar
@stiff vector
fair oak
Might be weird cause other rogue specs can't equip swords, tank trinkets on healers don't give you the free upgrade for example
copper radish
fatebound for keys all season >>> so much fun
bright crane
what do u guys think? take trinket or legs?
wintry solar
What trinks you got?
copper radish
what do u guys think? take trinket or legs?
myth track trink? prob that for the long run. sim it XD
bright crane
i got H of both those trinkets
sullen wyvern
so... Im simming tosee what should I craft this week
and simms for both dslice and patchwerk are telling me to craft crit vers 720 ring
I could've swear that belt would won over ring but it didnt
wintry solar
roughly how many ilvl does it take for the gear to out perform S2 tier?
give or take
sullen wyvern
should I still craft ring regardless?
You would think belt is a much ebtter craft considering it gives main stat
quaint mauve
4 set important for mplus?
old 4 set better until myth track right?
lucid vale
!fuu
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long barn
!gear
ornate heathBOT
carmine ferry
old 4 set better until myth track right?
Seriously?
gaunt phoenix
No
lucid vale
rogue homies I need help.
Mythic Sacbrood, Heroic Antenna (I have a Normal one), or Hero Track tier (I have chest to catalyze to make 4pc)
Sim says 112k dps increase ST + catalyst to complete 4-set (would catalyze chest)'
Sacbrood alone fully upgraded to ilvl 723 is 53k dps.
Do I take tier now, or wait til raid to see if a shoulder or chest crest drops and catalyze the other?
Sacbrood isn't that strong iirc compared to other trinks?
copper radish
cursed idol is the a real good key trinket right
lucid vale
yeah, it's got leech on it too
copper radish
damn i wouldnt know what to do between that and Ara
i got both on the champ level now lol
lucid vale
literal mrrrgl grrgl moment for me
muted chasm
is it bad to have more than 19% haste for KIR? is there a limit?
crimson thicket
rogue homies I need help.
Mythic Sacbrood, Heroic Antenna (I have a Normal one),...
You will get hero tier, you will get hero trinkets. You may never see another mythic trinket of those again
Only advice I can offer.
glass mortar
is it bad to have more than 19% haste for KIR? is there a limit?
yes it is a very bad stat after the breakpoint
muted chasm
is the breakpoint different for everyone or is it usually the same percent?
gaunt phoenix
i mean 20% 21% is fine
cuz you are competing with <1% vers
muted chasm
gotcha ok
mossy compass
Do we know if Wound Poison works on Saladbar?
deep sand
Malzahar
mossy compass
eats his dragon to heal
desert tendon
Salaad bar
vivid vessel
oh
nah bro
get a real class to do that
or
wait isnt our poison better than anyone tho
idk
desert tendon
No it s not
vivid vessel
i think its a monk thing tho they are using
scarlet drum
Is the warp claw trinket that good? I see a bunch of rogues with it.
unkempt smelt
yeah its quite nice
gaunt phoenix
it's just one of several good trinkets
gentle lotus
For outlaw any difference if 8 use a dagger OH as opposed to sword/mace OH assuming exactly same stats and ilvl
gentle lotus
Ok great tks !
ripe ibex
!fuu
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glass mortar
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
frail veldt
myth helm is fine thats cata
junior coral
what are outlaws best keys? yall playing outlaw for some and Ass rogue for some?>
frail veldt
Also its annoying the damage from the gauntlet doesnt seem to be prevented by cloak on 1st boss
just cloaked and grappled through and just died lol
frail veldt
what are outlaws best keys? yall playing outlaw for some and Ass rogue for some?...
outlaws best keys are all of them except dawn/streets
assas is better than outlaw in all of those keys though
but only at higher key levels
junior coral
yea i know but outlaw fun lol
vivid vessel
I'm asking does it work, or does the mechanic ignore those effects?
it should work but they dont use that cause i thihk there is better ones
junior coral
im only doing 12s
frail veldt
or only when played very well
vivid vessel
that are insta applied
vivid vessel
if im not mistaken they are using a monk thing
junior coral
but sin go burrrrr, so im messing with it
i hate sub
how far behind is outlaw from sin?
M+\
wide flare
are yall opening your vault in outlaw or a dagger spec?
frail veldt
Depends what you want from vault
And what you've already had drop
If youve already crafted a mainhand you can open as assa
tight kernel
Who got the races string for raidbot sim
tired rune
took myth tier over warpclaw and just got it in eco dome 
red zinc
man im sad
spent like an hour and a half on kyveza
got it to 4%
but shutdown just hit
wont hit the same killing it with all the gear i get tomorrow
hybrid crown
in doing rearranging of gear to go 2/2 set I have a gear set that has 147 mastery
I ran a stat weight sim just for funsies
craggy barn
is there a cloak/boot sim for every class
sullen wyvern
if I am on a scenario on which let's say I have 5 buffs (either rolled or CTO) not capping vanish and KS not coming anytime soon, I still have 1 charge of vanish
Should I still send vanish or strictly wait for supercharger/ruthless
craggy barn
in terms of how good the cloak is for each spec
sullen wyvern
my question is basically if I have 4 rolls going with KiR that are not necessarly RP should I either roll again to get supercharger/rp or can I jsut send vanish
frail veldt
my question is basically if I have 4 rolls going with KiR that are not necessarl...
what container are those 4 buffs under?
sullen wyvern
idk how to say it in container terms, let's say those 4 are under the rolls that you press after KiR
frail veldt
well then you should roll after every KiR
frail veldt
and you can maybe get RP
but if you roll after KiR
and dont get RP
you still vanish
cuz youd have supercharger
sullen wyvern
exactly, lets say I KIR > roll but still not RP, I vanish and send out my supercharger.
frail veldt
but if you roll after KiR, dont get RP, and didnt have vanish yet while you had SC, then no you dont vanish
vanish rules dont really have exceptions other than overcapping or vanishing if adr duration is low to preserve adr
sullen wyvern
Got it, thank oyu
gaunt phoenix
what is this shit !
vivid vessel
what
vivid vessel
thats skill issue no ?
gaunt phoenix
ye
frail veldt
once you have lucky coin up what do heads coins do?:
gaunt phoenix
more dmg
bright crane
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3vQow2BNVQvH34rWj7LerM am i trippin? 10 ilvl on warpclaw is more damage than 4p?
vivid vessel
what 4p
bright crane
frail veldt
rofl
vivid vessel
for the reminder of the pack
frail veldt
I mean thats fair
frail veldt
we do rely more on the cto procs
but in ST its nice once you get going
like in raid specifically
I havent done m+ with new tier yet
so I migth hate it
also
PLEASE
REMOVE
Fazed requirement
from coup benefit
god thats annoying
it happens way too often
vivid vessel
hm hm
gaunt phoenix
:)
mossy herald
Old 4p def felt like bad luck protection a bit
elder phoenix
Also, why does it say in teh guides bis gear is having 3 embellishments?
gaunt phoenix
where does it say that
elder phoenix
gaunt phoenix
seems icyveins fucked up
bright crane
ok looks like getting full tier is the move
tight kernel
What would you guys grab over Dancing Steel? Or do you just go FB at that point
vivid vessel
uh
carmine ferry
!gear
ornate heathBOT
quartz patio
This import string don't match the picture?
tight egret
Did they fix the cancel stealth FB macro?
daring yoke
whats the fastest way to farm runed crest?
vivid vessel
Did they fix the cancel stealth FB macro?
they havent fixed a single fb bug in all of tww
tight egret
Hrm, I just used it and didn't get 6 flips
gaunt phoenix
This import string don't match the picture?
fixed
quartz patio
Thanks!
ripe ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3vQow2BNVQvH34rWj7LerM am i trippin? 10 i...
hey you were just in my raid
glass mortar
oh god
normal mode farm dimithrus
i was second to last dps in our raid
and i got double 99s
platforms dont even last long enough to farm back a AR
tight kernel
W team
vivid vessel
i mean its tindral 2.0
ripe ibex
should sim it but probably crit chain
wooden herald
OK someone told me 'They're all useless minus Vers one now because they got mega nerfed' so was just checkin
gaunt phoenix
crit chain or charged crystal are about the same
vivid vessel
WTF
ripe ibex
how is this possible
vivid vessel
UNGEAR THIS GUY IMMEDIATELY
keen belfry
vivid vessel
im 705 pre reset tho awang 
ripe ibex
r u self funneling loot
vivid vessel
45 gilded in bag
ripe ibex
be honest
fathom bramble
where is your delve trinket
ripe ibex
pig guild leader
keen belfry
no one wants outlaw gear
no one wanted sigil
2 leather boots dropped
ofc i get one
ripe ibex
can i join
keen belfry
yeah join
fathom bramble
what delve trinket
ripe ibex
for one week
keen belfry
should i get that
vivid vessel
ah ye
fathom bramble
maybe
fathom bramble
I think it is on the vendor today on NA
vivid vessel
only champ tho
wont be good long
its whatever tho
i will just get it again from map
ripe ibex
there is a delve vendor??
fathom bramble
there is a delve vendor??
it's this guy on the delve reward track
lofty sand
yo zac did u see that the wf +17 was done with a sub?
keen belfry
I think it is on the vendor today on NA
how do i get that again ill go get it after raid
fathom bramble
you get a ton of journey just from doing 11s
frail veldt
it's this guy on the delve reward track
so you just get a vendor at the end of every delve now?
fathom bramble
so you just get a vendor at the end of every delve now?
yes, but his stock rotates on a 5 day cycle
only 2 of the days sell the good trinket for us
frail veldt
yes, but his stock rotates on a 5 day cycle
ah gotcha
I dont even think im close to that on the renown of delves
lofty sand
i see aight
fathom bramble
certified delver
vivid vessel
i see aight
but sub is super op tho
yes yes
we saw it on ptr
thing is
assa is so fucking bonkers
ripe ibex
yeah
frail veldt
it's this guy on the delve reward track
where do I even check this lol
oh nvm im dumb found it
damn I got a lot of delves to do
frail veldt
ye idc
vivid vessel
1 level up is about hm
frail veldt
I cant keep up ever
midnight granite
myth helm is fine thats cata
Yeah but I was hoping for a tier piece i didn't have 🙂
vivid vessel
ok maybe less actually
idk
i filled a vault with 11 and got a full level this week basically
i think
around that
glass mortar
zac
keen belfry
hmm is this worth
glass mortar
this is crazy
keen belfry
should i go get this
glass mortar
first time in my life i remember getting 98-99s on like every boss on normal/herioc
and im in bottom 5 dps
every boss
vivid vessel
:)
glass mortar
everyone else getting 99s also
vivid vessel
well
ok well
you are doing 2nd reclear ye
last week everyone had like
50 less ilvl buddy
so
frail veldt
and im in bottom 5 dps
how
I swear outlaw should be doing well at least on some of the earleir bosses
gaunt phoenix
@tight kernel get fucked noob !
glass mortar
i sim for 4.2m dps rn
keen belfry
no way solo leak
vivid vessel
697 ilvl noob!
gaunt phoenix
i link my char every now and then
gaunt phoenix
wtf
frail veldt
actrually 4.3 is pretty juicy I probably cant lol
I only pug and half my fucking groups dont have a monk somehow
rarest spec in the game I swear
I heard this season is the most keys ever done in the first week
pearl topaz
i just dont get what the drawbacks would be to outlaw being overtuned
its not like people would rush to play the spec, people who try it are not usually "oh wow this is great" lol
fathom bramble
people might feel forced to learn it in raid
vivid vessel
lok
you dont find it funny
how outlaw polayers
play all 3 specs
but sin and sub players
you couldnt ask them to play outlaw if their life was on the line
fathom bramble
I mean if you've been bootcamping in outlaw hell it takes like 20 minutes to learn sin
vivid vessel
even world first players
ripe ibex
na thats actually true tho
fathom bramble
I think it's a pattern that has resulted from outlaw never being the clear cut best spec in raid a single time since it was added to the game
pearl topaz
I usually just stop playing if I get forced, but the times I played sin i did learn it extremely quickly
gaunt phoenix
i did not get r1 heroic
fathom bramble
everytime we are good it's arguable whether it is even the best spec
gaunt phoenix
fuck !
near rock
i did not get r1 heroic
what boss
boreal grove
how much better is trickster than fatebound in m+?
gaunt phoenix
plexus
boreal grove
I cnat find a fatebound m+ build
ripe ibex
its very bad
keen belfry
i did not get r1 heroic
:caught:
gaunt phoenix
100 ilvl that counts...
fathom bramble
everytime we are good it's arguable whether it is even the best spec
this also tends to overlap with a time where all 3 rogue specs are bad
near rock
real talk this is maybe the least fun I've had playing outlaw in years
near rock
shit is ass
near rock
its not even a numbers thing, it just FEELS like ass
fathom bramble
I will simply not play 1fth tbh
ripe ibex
idk i think any time outlaw doesnt have a rtb tier set it feels bad
fathom bramble
2fth ho trickster is surprisingle close in dungeonslice for me right now
and I would much rather just play that
vivid vessel
its not even a numbers thing, it just FEELS like ass
what
like outlaw in general
or just 1 fth
i understand 1fth
is kinda cringe
ripe ibex
2fth ho trickster is surprisingle close in dungeonslice for me right now
link that sim please
covert kestrel
wait are we dropping 1fth yet?!??!?!
vivid vessel
but outlaw in general is just outlaw idk
its as fun as any season to me
well trickster is like
vivid vessel
borderline poop cancer asshole streshed
ah
well
fb does nothing
so
idk
idc about it
you do?
ripe ibex
trickster felt so good last season
near rock
ty
ripe ibex
type how you talk
vivid vessel
np cuh
long barn
!gear
ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
i pretend every extra cps from opp procs is making fatebound feel useful
near rock
idk I can't pin it on exactly one thing but I've played every iteration of outlaw and this is among the worst
personally at least
near rock
nah
vivid vessel
or
fathom bramble
link that sim please
vivid vessel
cause idk the gameplay to me is fine
i like that we got 2 charges of vanish now it feels good
near rock
the lows just feel rly low
vivid vessel
ye
no i agree with that
i have been complaining about that for a bit now
wait till you try 1 fth
fathom bramble
trying to get a stealth window to actually function with 1fth kir is doomed
and I just can't in keys
vivid vessel
thats why i almsot always hold fth for crackshot
something that btw never simmed as a gain really
near rock
like when u roll garbage and sinister strike in slow motion not proccing opp
vivid vessel
but i will keep doing it till the end of times
near rock
for like 10 hits in a row
vivid vessel
idc
near rock
u just wanna jump off a cliff
vivid vessel
ye
pearl topaz
"lets design a spec around sustained damage"
Cool
"lets design raids and dungeons so that sustained damage isn't possible..."
Uhhh...
"lets design other classes so they are bursty and can take advantage of these mechanics better"
fffffffffffffffffff
fathom bramble
apparently improved ambush kir is almost real though
if you would rather do that lol
vivid vessel
uh
i would rather not
but ty for the suggestion bro
also i dont think improved ambush kir presses ambsuh
fathom bramble
I changed the apl to make it cast it
glass mortar
zac
this is
a nightmare season?
every single boss law is ok at in raid
the top parses are all 1 fth
im gunna crash out
WHO WANTS TO PLAY THIS SHIT
glass mortar
yes
vivid vessel
not even real damage
glass mortar
we didnt play trickster s1 cause it was all pad
it was always ahead in aoe
by alot
but no st
how did we get back here
vivid vessel
blizzard is jsut stupid
and fucked up outlaw big time this season imo
having fb be so much ahead in st
just destroys outlaw
to be a real spec
its just nothing now
tired rune
Pad gods
fathom bramble
especially with the tier pulling even more of our damage to sources that have bad cleave interactions
vivid vessel
yes you are very good at killing useless adds with 200% dmaage amp on them
Pc is an abomination of a talent in raid but I think it's legit the only thing that keeps outlaw afloat in keys
Idk
Whatever
vivid vessel
Ye
glass mortar
i wasnt a player on normal farm
everythign was so short
i was competing with our tanks
99 btw
very bottom of the meters
fathom bramble
look I've been playing outlaw for what might be considered a long time
glass mortar
platforms didnt last long enough for one full adr cycle xd
fathom bramble
this looks like the worst one ever
frail veldt
PC is toxic yeah
random obsidian
Other than trickster feeling ass, outlaw feels awesome
random obsidian
I can't help but feel useless tho
random obsidian
Like, I contribute nothing but damage so if damage isnt high its disappointing
frail veldt
But mechanically it feels great both specs imo
vivid vessel
10% bf nerf btw
near rock
look I've been playing outlaw for what might be considered a long time
ye u and me both have been doin this shit for a while
vivid vessel
Not a nerf btw
Guys it's not a nerf haha
Wdym a nerf
10% aura buff
10% bf nerf
It's not a nerf haha
You are so stupid zac
How do you not understand
Haha
near rock
ok look to be fair I'm specifically referring to how the spec feels in raid
fathom bramble
I mean it's not a nerf to be fair
near rock
no clue about m+ stuff
brave lagoon
is this a copium overload
fathom bramble
it's just we got a neutralish change when we probably needed a buff
vivid vessel
It's a nerf
glass mortar
did it need to be squished
were we op last season
the only possible result is u end up in a worse spot
fathom bramble
yeah the top score rogue played outlaw
glass mortar
its not like theres some jank to outlaws aoe scaling
fathom bramble
that means it needs a nerf
glass mortar
it has a direct scaling off its st
vivid vessel
Holy !
vivid vessel
One rogue in the world was outlaw
Everyone else was assa
Holy shomke
Outlaw so op
random obsidian
Can't understand why we're the only spec catching nerfs while getting buffs
vivid vessel
Op
random obsidian
I read from zac thats bc PC op in raid
but I still dont see outlaw played in raid
tight kernel
Soulbreakers Sigil is just superior to warpclaw
vivid vessel
Pc isn't even op in raid cause we can't pick pc without losing 20% st
So
I guess it's a balanced talent
tight kernel
I dont PC anymroe in raid unless hunters
keen belfry
Pc isn't even op in raid cause we can't pick pc without losing 20% st
i accidentally did loothimar with pc talented
🙁
vivid vessel
Gg
fathom bramble
why does KS target critters?
glass mortar
why did it target the cc orbs last week
🙂
do i just delay kspree 3 finishers
for these shitty orbs to spawn
or do i waste half my shots
fathom bramble
why did it target the cc orbs last week
why is blind still bugged on the cc orbs
vapid sundial
why does KS target critters?
bc outlaw is a good spec
fr
You are killing them to make sure they dont social pull
and wipe ur hardcore group
olive marten
Sub doesn't change a single talent
As much as I want to play outlaw sub is just so free rn and it’s depressing 😭
torpid fiber
why does KS target critters?
It's just continuing the tradition of us beating up critters
random obsidian
If you're just farming 10s, being outlaw is awful, half the pugs ignore orbs, you get close to nothing from the haste buff if they're done, and if they aren't done you can barely contribute
vivid vessel
why does KS target critters?
Lore
Devs think
It's cool to fuck up a spec entire damage profile
For idk
Lore
Or whatever the name
Guy like to call it
Uh
What's the word
surreal coral
cbt
torpid fiber
Class fantasy
random obsidian
Flavor
frail veldt
or do i waste half my shots
The shots cleave still
frail veldt
I wouldn't change rotation for orbs
frail veldt
Flavor?
gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
Why
frail veldt
Flava flav
surreal coral
flavor of the month
random obsidian
Ngl I thought the spell was horrible at first, then tried it and thought "not as bad as I thought", and after 2 weeks I kinda want it reworked already
frail veldt
Flavor is just the skin on the abilities
frail veldt
You could take outlaws exact rotation and make it dk flavored if you want
surreal coral
do i break old 4pc and go 2pc/2pc? for keys
frail veldt
do i break old 4pc and go 2pc/2pc? for keys
Not for keys as trickster
surreal coral
i was on fatebound tbh
frail veldt
Then yes
main terrace
reddit says outlaw needs better theming and flavour
how else am i meant to be a hecking wholesome delve pirate
torpid fiber
I think flavour and mechanics are intertwined but also flavour doesn't excuse bad mechanics
fathom bramble
people just say something has no theme or flavor when they don't like the theme or flavor
random obsidian
feels like a lot of people that doesnt play outlaw and never will play outlaw have strong opinions about what outlaw should be
thankfully blizzard doesnt listen to them regarding outlaw
they listen to nobody
fathom bramble
I don't like the theme of shadow priest or elemental shaman in the least
but they clearly have flavor
and a theme
main terrace
it felt like that hahahahaha
scarlet drum
I don't know what I'm doing wrong in the single target damage...
glass mortar
I wouldn't change rotation for orbs
of course u dont u just lose damage
torpid fiber
I think flavour and mechanics are intertwined but also flavour doesn't excuse ba...
Like, the flavour of Fury Warrior is that they're really angry and hit shit a lot, so if that spec was 30apm it'd make no sense.
main terrace
posts like i havent played or seen any outlaw since bfa but this is what they need to change
glass mortar
no choice
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
fathom bramble
60% of the accusations that outlaw has no flavor are probably just rooted in that being the reason for Combat getting reworked in the first place
frail veldt
of course u dont u just lose damage
I mean so does everyone
torpid fiber
I'm like 80% you can make a prism WA from the inbuilt templates in weakauras
frail veldt
It causes all aoe spells to scale down
random obsidian
Like, the flavour of Fury Warrior is that they're really angry and hit shit a lo...
they should give lust to fury ngl
maybe they'll have an use then
frail veldt
Except for funnel specs if they can take advantage of it fast enough
frail veldt
Like, the flavour of Fury Warrior is that they're really angry and hit shit a lo...
Eeeeeeeh
torpid fiber
they should give lust to fury ngl
I've been on team "give warriors lust" for a bit because it makes sense flavourfully and would help them get invites to low pug keys
frail veldt
I don't even think that's true
Fury has been slow in the past
And it was still fury
random obsidian
Feels like dps warriors are down bad as well lately
peak dock
gotcha https://wago.io/pHqi38fb7
crimson thicket
Feels like dps warriors are down bad as well lately
Fury cranks. Its my second toon.
stiff vector
surely theres no way I do heroic pug without monk buff 
lunar elk
Do you guys think the ring from the first boss is bis for us overall ro si just better i make two rings from crests?
random obsidian
Fury cranks. Its my second toon.
wasnt what i meant
i meant
they suck
and are close to useless utility wise
frail veldt
surely theres no way I do heroic pug without monk buff <:clueless:10999225419230...
Me every week
frail veldt
and are close to useless utility wise
Wdym
They have battle shout
They're more useful than us
random obsidian
true but thats setting the bar low
frail veldt
And rallying cry
War is op
You'll never not run one
Rogue on the other hand?
Throw that shit out unless it's S tier
torpid fiber
They could make us good in keys if they started making mobs immune to aoe cc 🙂
frail veldt
Then we're DEF useless
Shroud is barely useful nowadays
You don't bring a rogue for utility
random obsidian
Yeah we're absolute dog useless
frail veldt
You bring it to top meters
random obsidian
Not arguing that
frail veldt
But yeah war is pretty mid in m+
random obsidian
They're slightly less useless
crimson thicket
and are close to useless utility wise
warrior has just as much utility as rogue does in m+ except shroud. blind doesnt even aoe orbs like its supposed to kekw
random obsidian
thats the point
torpid fiber
They could make us good in keys if they started making mobs immune to aoe cc 🙂
Unironically maybe they have to start doing this or some shit
crimson thicket
although our target cap fucking sucks, im doing almost 7mil overall with gear today
stiff vector
Me every week
its ok i Stayed strong and left group for the sin of not bringing me a monk...onto group #2
random obsidian
any somewhat mid spec can currently pull 7mil overall in most dungeons, but they also have utility worlds above ours
crimson thicket
yeah we both suck