outlaw

[fair charm]

Good luck. I’ll be there shortly.

[fresh palm]

im gonna blow up

[fair charm]

I’m 1 of 4 atm. But I got a catalyst charge. I just keep getting jewelry drops.

[fair charm]

There be an eclipse…

[fresh palm]

an eclipse indeed

[red zinc]

Wowhead popped off with this one

3 minutes apart

[fresh palm]

LMFAO

[random stirrup]

they also lying about the weekly giving karesh rep

hmm

[inner stump]

my only myth slot came with the worst possible weapon

[covert kestrel]

crafted wep angle

[inner stump]

yep, I'll probably pick the head/leg tier piece and craft wep

seems to make more sense

[covert kestrel]

no cudgel

[frail veldt]

same bro same

@covert kestrel do I cata a champ shoulders to complete my 4pc?

[stiff vector]

guess im taking myth idol, current running 704 pacemaker/701 warpclaw

[gaunt phoenix]

i went and did nightfall and it bugged out for like 19 minutes

[frail veldt]

wtf

like the event wouldnt complete?

[gaunt phoenix]

it was stuck at 97% but then it eventually progressed

[manic quartz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

but there was no discernable objective to do that would further progress it

[gritty hamlet]

booo, breaking 4p for 2p isn't an upgrade

[drowsy jacinth]

don't we also have to prepull AR before bubble with loaded dice again

[gaunt phoenix]

nah rtb buffs are deleted on key start

[drowsy jacinth]

the rtb buffs are, but loaded dice is not

[gaunt phoenix]

errr

you're right

[covert kestrel]

hmmm

are you raiding

i held til heroic but got pretty lucky with catalyst bait + heroic tier from raid

[gaunt phoenix]

for fatebound

new 4pc over 2/2pc is not really that much of an upgrade

imo i would stick it out until you get a hero shoulder

[strong halo]

can u craft 2nd piece this week?

[covert kestrel]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[kind otter]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[violet ferry]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[buoyant cosmos]

got kinda spooned

[tight kernel]

Yall open vault as assa or outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

sin

cuz crafted mh

[tight kernel]

true

[buoyant cosmos]

just get a cudgel( i will never)

🙃

[tight kernel]

myth track chest and legs eh

I feel like its a craft ring or wrist angle.. prob wrist for perma socket spot and embel

[covert kestrel]

ok so claw with leech, dagger with speed, or high haste low vers neck. have heroic of both claw and neck. tempted for dagger so i can fuck around with sub but its the worst stats for sub

[tight kernel]

between trink and wep imo

[buoyant cosmos]

still a good dagger

[tight kernel]

but I'd prob take warpclaw

sim

both max ilvl and see wahts bigget gain

[gritty hamlet]

It feels bad to not want to drop old 4p for new 2p

[covert kestrel]

warpclaw sims higher in aoe and dagger sims higher in st

[tight kernel]

Just get new 4p

Are you progging

or m+

[gritty hamlet]

I'm one piece away on rogue haha

[covert kestrel]

m+

[tight kernel]

get claw

[covert kestrel]

no myth raiding for me

[buoyant cosmos]

I'd see if you get a cudgel

[covert kestrel]

i did not

[tight kernel]

get claw and maybe craft oh

[buoyant cosmos]

F

[tight kernel]

since you wont get myth track oh till vaults

Thats the advice solo gave me last tier. If you arent expecting to get a myth wep anytime soon then craft

[real gulch]

2 pc with normal legs or 2pc with hero gloves, where i have uncatalyzed hero gloves already

my vault is hot garbage

no trinkets or weapons

[hybrid crown]

I got myth pants non tier and tier helmet. I already have hero pants non tier and have yet to loot a hero track helmet

[real gulch]

sounds like u got the same problem as me but 1 tier up

[frail veldt]

warpclaw is kinda pog

[hybrid crown]

I'm gonna spam floodgate until raid hopefully I get one

[frail veldt]

also you cant get a myth warpclaw from any other source right?

so I would take that personally, weapons arent as hard to get as a myth track dungeon trinket

[white marten]

Bro got 4pc in the same vault.

[frail veldt]

wait im confused

why do I only have 1 charge

if I have 2k m+ score

[buoyant cosmos]

I've got a claw as well, w/ myth tier options. Claw is "less" of an upgrade, but could be more in the long run?

[buoyant cosmos]

charges every 2 weeks

[lime lake]

did you use the item it gave you

[wispy dagger]

did you use the item, container goes into bagf

[frail veldt]

but dont I get a charge from 2k m+?

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaaaaah

whats it called

[buoyant cosmos]

Oh, yeah it's a purple crystal

it has a cool animation too

[frail veldt]

found it ty

[covert kestrel]

you guys right, thx @tight kernel @frail veldt

plus leech

[fresh palm]

yeah i simmed every tier item at max item level on hero track and it still doesnt outperform season 2 tier in M+

just absolutely insane

[tight kernel]

if you are not touching myth raiding

I'd send craft on oh

IMO

[fresh palm]

is "extreme item level difference" just max level myth track tier?

[tight kernel]

myth track trinkets are hard like mewo said. Until turbo boost, only source is vault

[glass mortar]

did u remember to swap ur talents

u cant sim both tier sets on one talent set

one uses loaded dice one uses sleight

[fresh palm]

i forgot loaded dice ur right

[glass mortar]

thats pretty big

:p

[fresh palm]

fucking silly me

[tight kernel]

Also gz @covert kestrel on trinket but also hate you because I didnt get it

[covert kestrel]

yea fer shur, plus it can let me fuck around with sub

[tight kernel]

ye 100%

[glass mortar]

it is kinda surprising how big a difference it makes, but iirc tricksters full set bonus is similar value to current seasons

so basically all ur gaining is ilvl at 4set

not massive but not tiny either

[tight kernel]

Okay so, chest token drops from fract and its our bis stats .. meanwhile legs drop from loom which is ez

I think move is grab myth chest from vault and dont need to worry about fract right? I can just upgrade normal tier legs after loom

or am I stupid

[long barn]

Help! What do I pick?!??

Is claw that good???

[fresh palm]

son of a bitch you've cracked the code

[gaunt phoenix]

id go M tier

there are 19 good trinkets

[dreamy vortex]

I checked the pins, is Carved Stone Idol a solid vault choice now? I know its simming well but are people playing with it?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it fucks

its uncapped !

i love it

[covert kestrel]

you need to take a photo of your phone with another phone then send it

[gaunt phoenix]

i think i will use double on use in keys

[fresh palm]

when would u use it in a rotation?

[gaunt phoenix]

after stealth before ks

[dreamy vortex]

Alright!

[covert kestrel]

[gaunt phoenix]

it is a channel so its slightly weird

[gaunt phoenix]

I've been using idol and priory signet

it feels good

like you always have something

They dont have the same cd anyway

[covert kestrel]

yeah im just bad enough to always forget one much less two

[muted iron]

fuck me I forgot how fun OL is when the muscle memory starts coming back

[covert kestrel]

i got so cozy with double passive last season

[long barn]

Cursed and pacemaker feels good too

So much crit

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean my weakaura honks at me if i dont use trinkets

[hybrid crown]

My first 10 of the season first priory run I got signet I've just been using it because it's the only trinket I've looted so far lol

[covert kestrel]

and i legit only used stone idol 4 times in a dungeon last night cause i forgot til before the last boss

[hybrid crown]

It does feel nice tho

[glass mortar]

im using the haste with a mega hit on use trinket

it kinda sucks

[frail veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sA4zwUorG8UCwkeUW4HdD8

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oy3FKEgwjZox69THjZhAAe

[glass mortar]

i mean its fine but its not worth setting a budget around

[covert kestrel]

yeah i need a bigger honkin weakaura, zacs is too subtle off to the side ]

[frail veldt]

new tier is so marginal in m+

kinda crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah the old tier is a better set

eventually just ilvl wins

[frail veldt]

and thats with a 4 ilvl increase

[stiff vector]

nightfall soon btw

[glass mortar]

yea i mean ur basically just improving ilvl

[frail veldt]

im expecting more from ST

[gaunt phoenix]

2pc should be like 9% dps, but going to 4 from 2/2 is minimal

[tight kernel]

@gaunt phoenix you sayin this slams now?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[stiff vector]

i got myth track idol

[tight kernel]

raidbot updated for it?

[stiff vector]

gonna slam guildied into it, saved like 30 guilded from last week

[gaunt phoenix]

should be

but it depends how you pull a bit

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/ObpIM0n.jpeg i dont have 4 set

[frail veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/go6VPW7PmhZUctMJD1RmeJ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/51WXKA7441hES2exmTSAe6

yeah ST is much bigger

[elder phoenix]

but i wil have it by next week

Lol

mythic weapon

[gaunt phoenix]

u need to top gear and not quicky simmy

[elder phoenix]

tho

[frail veldt]

Is there a good way to sim two gearsets if I have to change flask though?

idk how to do that

[gaunt phoenix]

no

[glass mortar]

no

suffer

[gaunt phoenix]

[stiff vector]

704 claw+pacemaker sim better than 707 i dol in ST but idol better in dslice, but once idol is maxed out at 723 its better even in st

[frail veldt]

well then

this is what you get

[glass mortar]

🙂

[frail veldt]

hahahaha

[glass mortar]

the technology simply does not exist (to remove this fucking haste tax)

[frail veldt]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck haaaaaaaaaaaaaaste taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax

[glass mortar]

im back to natty 19k haste

cause of this raid trinket

its the only raid item i have

and its not even one i wanted

[twilit rivet]

Whats haste tax?

[glass mortar]

the haste u are required to stack

its a tax

[stuck magnet]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt phoenix]

kir wants 19% haste, is basically unplayable with low haste, and haste falls to 0 above that

[glass mortar]

ur not stacking it because some function of outlaw scales well with haste, you are stacking it because blizzard took away a baseline function of ar (reducing gcd) and made it so you need haste to get it back

[stiff vector]

nightfall soon (make sure youre loot spec outlaw)

[covert kestrel]

we used to gear for 0% haste and played the exact same essentially, they just gave us it because they hate us

[covert kestrel]

oh shit i forgot to do this

[glass mortar]

so its entirely artificial and gives haste design that is arguably worse then just hating haste period

[covert kestrel]

it was neck only

[twilit rivet]

Gotcha

Yeah f the haste tax

[glass mortar]

because now u need to keep X% haste equipped at all times depending on ur build, but PI and bloodlust and any other temporary haste buffs are still worthless

🫡

peak game design right there

[gaunt phoenix]

i think haste tax should be lower and you just need more haste for energy stuffs

like old HO

then it becomes flexible and fine

[frail veldt]

yeah

that was way better

[dreamy vortex]

KS feels good during Hero just saying

[frail veldt]

sure does

KS needs about a 25% reduction in duration

[glass mortar]

ks with stupid dumb haste feels like it should feel all the time

[frail veldt]

lol

[glass mortar]

cmm

2 gcd kspree would be gr8

a full kspree with like 100% haste during cds and lust does go hard

[twilit rivet]

Old coup de grace

Thats peak design

[unique fulcrum]

Do we use the HC crest from Dimensius kill to craft tomorrow?

[glass mortar]

if u wanna

depends how quickly myth track gear is going to be available to u

[unique fulcrum]

only from weekly vault

[glass mortar]

u can probably craft another myth then if u want

since u will only get 1 myth item a week to even upgrade with gilded

[elder phoenix]

how many catalysts your supposed to havea last week?

[frail veldt]

1

[elder phoenix]

thats wild cuz i have 2 charges now

i mean 2 charges from last week

So how many catalysts charges should you be having rn from last week?

[frail veldt]

you prob got aotc

or 2k in m+

or 1600 in pvp

[elder phoenix]

so over all you can only get 2 charges last week?

[covert kestrel]

yes

[frail veldt]

yeah

but 1 from the cadence

[elder phoenix]

were getting another charge next week right?

[stiff vector]

never lucky got some shit crit haste ring from nightgfall

[delicate seal]

they wanted to make gearing more annoying 🙂

smile

[median shoal]

are u guys getting invited as outlaw this season or nah

[delicate seal]

yes

[median shoal]

might roll my outlaw

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rkeBbRgDKPGdib15Y5fMmP

Robot wants me to take legs but legs drop from loom and chest from fract. Wouldnt it be smarter to grab chest?

[median shoal]

missed first week gg

[short wharf]

We love nightfall

[fresh palm]

its ok i got the belt

[strong halo]

bruh how do people have a 2nd spark

[strong halo]

isnt this trash?

[unkempt smelt]

NA players have access to second spark this week, EU does tomorrow

[gaunt phoenix]

ya that's the point

[strong halo]

im NA and i dont have the 2nd spark

dont make me do delves again

[unkempt smelt]

you gotta do weekly quests for the half spark as usual bruv

only need to do one afaik

[red zinc]

man

people are selling loot they dont need in m+ now?

[tight kernel]

Also been playing Trickers 2FTH on all cleave bosses aside from Hunters. Feels 100% better, better ST as well.

[red zinc]

what the helly is happening to this community

[tight kernel]

Zac was right

[frail veldt]

monsters

[red zinc]

702 ilvl frost dk with 4p vs 684 outluh with old 4p

[light dune]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[covert kestrel]

gotta sell gold to pay for vodka

[red zinc]

think he got his feelings hurt

[mighty pivot]

he meant 100k in rubles so about 200g

[delicate seal]

dwarf racial goes hard

rings are pretty bad except for the 1 good ring

[glass mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871188656357015623/1407414667051143250/image.png?ex=68a6048d&is=68a4b30d&hm=339a8da85dc1f0e4aa5a37ecc02cf2233acd4a0b38c2d8427b46981696f3bd9d&

looks like they didnt adjust this weeks cap around the quest thingy @vivid vessel

so if u did it late last week ur just 15 ahead

[gaunt phoenix]

support will give me 15 crests right

[glass mortar]

yea same speed they fixed subterfuge bug

1-2 expansion delay

dw

[covert kestrel]

so the only people that actually got the 15 extra crests were just those who hit the cap, did the quest, then spent them before the cap increased

[glass mortar]

or did it over the weekend

u didnt even need to be capped

[gaunt phoenix]

no they just fixed it at some point

[glass mortar]

i did it sunday midday then capped after and i still got 15 extra

[craggy barn]

hmm

guess its wait for raid angle

[near rock]

[gaunt phoenix]

that neck is plausible

[craggy barn]

yea i have it hero already

too much haste atm

[gaunt phoenix]

stop !

[craggy barn]

if i looted for sin/sub id prob just take myth trinket

[round garnet]

If i have 671 fist weap and 684 dagger, the dagger should still be in offhand right?

[craggy barn]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[round garnet]

cool

[gaunt phoenix]

cant press dispatch with dagger mh

you can bte tho

guess guns dont need weapons

[frail veldt]

spam snd lol

for your out of stealth finisher

[mighty pivot]

almost combat rogue

[red zinc]

wait

how do i understand this

[glass mortar]

i crafted an item

[red zinc]

i have 105 crests rn am i profiting or nah

[glass mortar]

so i have 45 crests from last week

meaning i had 105

and i am nothing towards this weeks cap

so yes as long as u didnt start at 15/90 this week ur profiting

[red zinc]

but wym by 15 ahead then, doesnt everyone have these same 15 crests that dont count towards cap

[glass mortar]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

no it was bugged

[red zinc]

i was gone half the week maybe i missed somethin

ah

[glass mortar]

the quest counted towards cap if u did it too early in week

[gaunt phoenix]

my crests !

blozzard

[glass mortar]

p e r m a n e n t l y

[red zinc]

rwf decider

doomge

[glass mortar]

behin

[mighty pivot]

you still have time to make a new rogue solo

[gaunt phoenix]

damn

[glass mortar]

he just got turbo nerfed i heard

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-hamster-gif-4508050

[gaunt phoenix]

i hear that

so blizz armory API is broken right now

apparently they have the fix

[stiff vector]

im gettin my spark+using runed from dimensius quest+got bunch of guilded/runed to spend+bunch of bountifuls to run

my power level will rise immensely this week

[gaunt phoenix]

but they are so swamped with the raid and shit that they literally cant devote the time to push it

[glass mortar]

the fix is that why are we fixing this if u use armory sims in 2025 then you need to find god

that websites just been so terrible over the years

[mighty pivot]

because it's not used just for sims

[wintry solar]

That panda named Armory pisses me off

[mighty pivot]

are you announcing the massive rogue changes that you are making as the rogue dev for next expansion tonight?

[wintry solar]

Yall be mean to me

I'm bringing back combat

But yes

[mighty pivot]

reddit will celebrate

[glass mortar]

r u just gunna spam SS and ignore all ur procs and stuff

#combat

[wintry solar]

I'll make them hate it too dw

You get revealing strike and find weakness

Now you are rogue

[mighty pivot]

and make combo points target bound again

[daring cave]

Gamecom starts in 15 minutes. Dont know if WoW reveal is immediate or later in the show.

[livid pewter]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry solar]

I think it's at the end

I'm watching the whole thing though

Gotta make dinner

[mighty pivot]

enjoy your microwave burger

[daring cave]

I made a chipotle sub sandwich. I will enjoy the hell out of it.

[strong halo]

if i want to craft dagger offhand that works for other specs what stats should i put on it?

[torpid heath]

crit vers

[mighty pivot]

crit vers will work for all specs

[wintry solar]

Tacos

[royal ermine]

[wintry solar]

Snap

It's pre-order time?

[mighty pivot]

pre-ordering before knowing whether rogues are being deleted

[royal ermine]

nah just got a key from a friend with streamer privledges

and alpha access

[wintry solar]

Sick

[red zinc]

can you see anything from the redeem thing or nah

[covert kestrel]

"We know rogues are underplayed so we've decided to make a radical change, they are going to be the first One Button Optimized(c) Class! You will only be able to use our one button rotation on any rogue spec moving forward. We think this should bring up their popularity and maintain that epic class fantasy that we know you all love."

[royal ermine]

no

[red zinc]

unfortsh

[royal ermine]

client still shows tww and it didn't give the boost or stuff yet

[copper radish]

So any cool midnight rogue stuff or we still waiting

[wintry solar]

Still waiting

I imagine most of it will be player housing

Though what more could they talk about?

[copper radish]

I’ll be chilling in my player housing it’s called my GARRISON

[covert kestrel]

where are we watching?

[wintry solar]

Regarding housing I mean

[copper radish]

Garrison > house

[royal ermine]

twitch or youtube gamescom channel

[wintry solar]

I'm building a death trap

[covert kestrel]

someone make sure Guy is wearing at least 3 pairs of underwear for any player housing announcements

[royal ermine]

its in like 10m if they're opening with wow

[wintry solar]

Me when I go for a 1 day trip

[copper radish]

“Rogue gets no changes for midnight. Crackshots all xpack” there’s our announcement

[covert kestrel]

every outlaw rogue is now given a one month supply of Blizz-approved crack cocaine as we reduce the GCD from AR to 0.2s

[copper radish]

What if what if we stacked enough haste that ADR reduced the 0.8s global to 0.0s global

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[copper radish]

Imagine pressing 10 BTEs at the same time

Double dispatch

[frail veldt]

id be binding it to scrollwheel

[copper radish]

That would be insane dmg lol

[tawny vessel]

just make the killing spree gun shots all count as full point bte's

[strong halo]

is 720 crafted offhand really not an upgrade in m+ to 678 cudgel? that seems wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

Is it tim

e

for

midnight >

[frail veldt]

depends on the target count

[glass mortar]

!!!

nah

10 more hours it looks like

[gaunt phoenix]

Oh

[glass mortar]

only 2pm rn

[frail veldt]

har har har

[glass mortar]

sorry check bak later

[frail veldt]

so funny

[golden epoch]

what is the 4set dps increase, does anyone know?🙂

[copper radish]

Are they trying to release midnight by the end of the year?

[covert kestrel]

off hand is a pretty low dps upgrade, plus the effect is pretty good

[strong halo]

based on D slice sim going from 678 cudgel to 720 dgger offhand is 0.0% upgrade

[covert kestrel]

early next year if they follow their patch schedule

[gaunt phoenix]

huge

[covert kestrel]

legion remix oct-jan, pre patch feb, midnight march prolly

[gaunt phoenix]

@glass mortar did you see people are getting server diffed by this macro

if AR and GS has even the slightest delay then it doesnt work

[royal cave]

anyone can test warpclaw rn? idk its not showing in details breakdown/if its triggering this reset; i remembered it showing on my details last week

[red zinc]

earlier probably

raid only has 15 renown levels

maybe reading into that too much but

[glass mortar]

[red zinc]

think we might get prepatch early january since theres a housing vendor

[glass mortar]

doesnt surprise me

[red zinc]

in legion remix

i could legit see end of dec/early jan housing prepatch and end of january expansion

[gaunt phoenix]

some people were already saying that last week but i couldnt replicate

are you on dummies?

[royal cave]

both dummy and in a key

[strong halo]

so i either craft a dagger for 6% upgrade when i play assas and 0% upgrade for outlaw or i craft an out law piece and get 1.5% upgrade

[wintry solar]

just started

[covert kestrel]

GEOFF

[wintry solar]

yall get yalls wow pants on

[red zinc]

ok

nephews lock in

[glass mortar]

well comparing secondary crafts to ur mh weapon craft on another spec will always look like that

[red zinc]

predictions?

[glass mortar]

even if it wasnt for cudgel

oh sucks cuh

[wintry solar]

empowered hero talents

[gaunt phoenix]

when is midnight reveal

[covert kestrel]

3rd spec dh

[frail veldt]

yeah sounds about right

cudgel cranks

[red zinc]

anywhere from now to in 2 hours

its somewhere in the presentation

[wintry solar]

OMG RESIDENT EVILfuck wow

[proven ocean]

hiw

how

[gaunt phoenix]

is there a link

[proven ocean]

can we buy already

or?

[strong halo]

thats depressing dont know what to craft then.

[proven ocean]

guys

chat

people

and peoplement

?

[wintry solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74oh7zD_jxI

[proven ocean]

when is the announcement

[frail veldt]

well you weapon swap

so

[glass mortar]

yea ur not already playing midnight ross????

[frail veldt]

offhand is still good

[glass mortar]

sin is lit here cuh

[wintry solar]

no wow yet

I'll let yall know

[proven ocean]

im in titans expansion already

[royal ermine]

streamer friend gave me a key

[proven ocean]

bozo

[glass mortar]

the last titan

who was it ross u gotta spoil us

[wintry solar]

hows northrend?

[glass mortar]

who was the last titan

[proven ocean]

looks fake

what streamer friend

is he like 1k+ viewers

or

[wintry solar]

wow got more hype than cod

[white marten]

Midnight reveal! I hope they announce rogue rework soon’

[royal ermine]

couragejd, known him since mop before he got famous

[proven ocean]

they ban even the best players for them to re buy wow again

and ur telling me

they gave u a midnight key

they are greedier than mr crabs

[white marten]

Mmmmm money money money

[glass mortar]

@gaunt phoenix how long post reveal until someone complains they didnt reveal outlaw rework at the gamescom midnight reveal

[white marten]

Less than 5 secs

[glass mortar]

who are they even advertising to these devs smh

[proven ocean]

oh

[gaunt phoenix]

they will reveal hero tree stuff for druid cuz that is the token example

[proven ocean]

thats cool

no cappi

[white marten]

Im surprised its not ret pally or BM hunter lol

[frail veldt]

it really is

druid always comes first

and then they have ot rework it at the end lol

[glass mortar]

midnights new power system will expand upon the night elf racial system. You will now have different hero talents available based on time of day

[white marten]

Rogue comes last cuz nobody cares

[glass mortar]

any dayraiders in the chat

[frail veldt]

lolol

[wintry solar]

I wish cod was as good as their trailers

[white marten]

Imagine saying “CoD” in 2025

Didnt think anyone still played that

[wintry solar]

somehow a lot of people do

[white marten]

Over roblox and fortnite? 🤔 amazing

[covert kestrel]

i had fun with warzone with my buddies in early pandemic times

[vivid vessel]

guys

can we skip cod

no one cares in 2025 or

[desert tendon]

zaac

do you realise

[glass mortar]

u r playing the game that 90% of people at this con would probably say the same to bozo

CENSI

[desert tendon]

how happy i am

[glass mortar]

BRANN CHECK

[desert tendon]

mgs 3 remake in 7 days

silent hill F in october

AND SILKSONG ANNOUNCED BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR

[wintry solar]

RE9 in Jan

[desert tendon]

oh yea and re9 after

gosh i m so happy i quitted wo

wow

so much time to play good games

[wintry solar]

frrrr

[covert kestrel]

can someone ping me when wow comes on im doing work

[white marten]

Rogue getting a ranged dps spec

[wintry solar]

Im gonna be an 1800 pvp andy this fall and winter for sure

[wintry solar]

I got yall

[tight kernel]

/run GenericTraitUI_LoadUI()GenericTraitFrame:SetSystemID(29)GenericTraitFrame:SetTreeID(1115)ToggleFrame(GenericTraitFrame)

[covert kestrel]

remember were not allowed to be friends until midnight drops

[tight kernel]

This ^^^

is goated

[white marten]

Popo is literally the most reliable guy here

[tight kernel]

dont have to run to africa to level up cloak

[wintry solar]

I know, im just doing good because I like doing good.

I'd do the same for Zac

[vivid vessel]

most reliably cooked ye

[unreal pagoda]

I cant believe gamescom outlaw rework showed that we dont use swords anymore and just use guns and can use killstreaks now

[white marten]

Hes such a good guy, though

[covert kestrel]

only empowered spells like dev

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix bro they are revealing killing spree rework on the gamescon wow pannel rn tune it dude

its crazy

[unreal pagoda]

The sniper rifle was my favorite part

[white marten]

🤣🤣🤣

Ks re-rework

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[mild vigil]

personally I was a big fan of the spartan laser

outlaw finally has burst

[wintry solar]

THEY SHOULD LET THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE TRAILERS MAKE THE COD GAMES

caps

[mild vigil]

bro the guy they brought on stage to talk about it had 0 charisma

[white marten]

Are they actually talking about the KS rework?

[mild vigil]

I was actively getting disinterested every time he opened his mouth

[wintry solar]

I thought the same thing

[round garnet]

Do we swap tiers 2p 2p or 4p for 4p?

[glass mortar]

pins

[unreal pagoda]

yea killing spree now lets you call in a UAV

[violet ferry]

if you get 14 kills with KS, you can call down a tactical nuke

[vivid vessel]

wtf

sjokz

tf she doing here

are they revealing league of legend

[violet ferry]

tentacles

[unreal pagoda]

lords of the fallen 2

[light dune]

question (assuming s3 4 piece), is there any consideration ever at all for FB in keys like DB / streets? or just trickster 1000%

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[vivid vessel]

idk you could maybe make an argument for street??

unsure tbg

not dawn tho

cause dawn packs is a lot of prio damage

[desert tendon]

ok i m hypped by this game also

[vivid vessel]

to do on minibosses

and fb doesnt do that

in street you could make an argument tho

[white marten]

An AC-130?

[light dune]

5 bosses very small packs yeah street sounds plausible

[vivid vessel]

but im not a fb believer

in keys

[white marten]

Streets as Outlaw is almost pain worthy

With pug tanks

[wintry solar]

censi whats this anime

I left to cook tacos

is it good?

[desert tendon]

AC 130

my bro knows

[white marten]

Pastor tacos with cilantro?

[desert tendon]

Sekiro 2

NO SHOT

WAIT WHAT

[wintry solar]

fresh out of cilantro

[white marten]

Censi is having a meltdown

[desert tendon]

I AM

[wide flare]

quick question does Wound Poison work on the last mob in HOA?

[desert tendon]

wait that s not sekiro 2

[unreal pagoda]

its a anime

[wintry solar]

NEW LEGO GAME

[white marten]

Ill pretend you didn’t just type what i think you typed.

WoW lego??!

[desert tendon]

Lego games

😴

isnt that the 12431241th batman lego?

[vivid vessel]

wtf

new expac is in leggos ??? @gaunt phoenix

[glass mortar]

2nd innit

[vivid vessel]

how do you think killing spree with look in leggos dude

[glass mortar]

lego games r sick tho idk

[vivid vessel]

this is crazy

[glass mortar]

i havent played since lego star wars but those games went hard

[wide flare]

@vivid vessel I'm sure you know this, does Wound Poison work on the last mob in HOA?

[vivid vessel]

miniboss

you mean

i think it oes

but like

[wide flare]

yea

[vivid vessel]

i never confirmed it

[desert tendon]

it should with improve wound

[vivid vessel]

i put it on

but idk

haha

[desert tendon]

was the case back in SL

but was ueless since we were anyway bursting souls before first drain

[light dune]

it works on the miniboss

but have to talent improved wound for it to do anything

[desert tendon]

ahah so funny zac

yea like waycrest manor

or SL hoa

improved is necessary

[frail veldt]

is the tooltip bugged for the above 80% hp vers embel? it looks like it doesnt scale with ilvl

[glass mortar]

it doesnt scale with ilvl afaik

i was more surprised that elemental did scale with ilvl tbh

[desert tendon]

dude

[mild vigil]

none of the embellishments scale with ilvl

they're complete ass now

[desert tendon]

imagine they do the famous "and silksong is available NOW"

[glass mortar]

r u sure

[copper radish]

I don’t think it ever scaled with ilvl even last season

[gaunt phoenix]

lens scales with ilvl

[glass mortar]

the tooltip for my 682 rings elemental is 190k

the tooltip for my 720 mh is 320k

i think it might be scalin with ilvl

[copper radish]

Love when blizz puts an embelish in that’s good for one season 🪦

[glass mortar]

but secondaries already scale with ilvl so

idk they are inconsistent with these rules

[frail veldt]

but vers one doesnt?

thats so bizarre lol

[gaunt phoenix]

dont think so

[copper radish]

Pretty sure it’s the same old 750 verse or whatever it gives

[glass mortar]

i mean it kinda makes sense because secondaries already scale with ur ilvl

750 vers is multiplying a higher stat pool

[tight kernel]

What are we craftign week 2

[glass mortar]

but it feels weird yea

[copper radish]

I’m going my first of two crafted gem embellish rings

[frail veldt]

wdym?

youre saying 750 vers is more value

[glass mortar]

if u have 3% vers and 100 agi

[frail veldt]

when youre more geared

[glass mortar]

the vers is 3% more dps

if u have 3% vers and 20000 agi

the 3% vers is still the same value right

it didnt fall off

its multiplying a higher stat pool now

[frail veldt]

yeah I guess thats assuming you arent at diminshing returns on secondaries

[glass mortar]

ye

[frail veldt]

but also lens scales with vers...

so

lens for sure is scaling better here

right?

[glass mortar]

well if u have 100 agi and the lens does 10 damage its doing 10% of ur dps

if u have 20000 agi and it does 10 damage

im vastly oversimplifying things here

but i think u get the idea

i do still think its a bit silly

[copper radish]

2x lens seems the bet for the season

Haste/verse rings for em too depending on other stats

[glass mortar]

lariat would only scale off ur crit and vers with ilvl if it didnt scale directly

the vers embell scales off everything including ur base agi pool increasing

[gaunt phoenix]

dragonhawks

[glass mortar]

lariat....

[lament flume]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

dragoncock ?tf

[gaunt phoenix]

dragoncawks

[brave lagoon]

I have one of those from bad- wait wrong discord

[gaunt phoenix]

[royal ermine]

[glass mortar]

dragons mentioned

bad ones in fact

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965458290358235147/1402954391811526677/LIZARD.gif?width=515&height=254

the worst dragons one might say

[ember goblet]

is the nightfall wep actually worth to farm?

[glass mortar]

well u cant farm it so yes

its like 10 minutes once a week lotto

[vivid vessel]

??

bad dragons ?

[glass mortar]

yea i been checking the logs and i dont infact think they r bad

zac has dev ever had a bad season actually since release

kinda crazy nobody plays this class at all

[vivid vessel]

bro i have seen some videos with bad dragons

you wouldnt know

[glass mortar]

the worst season it had it was bad because it was top 8 specs but aug existed

[gaunt phoenix]

if fatebound gets buffed by aug

isnt there something that doesnt attribute

the fate intertwined

[vivid vessel]

ye

!aug

[ornate heath]

Rogue abilities not being reattributed to Augs in logs:

Fate Intertwined Ethereal Rampage

More generaly:

• shifting sands does not reatribute damage buffed by external auras (think Smolderon orbs)
  More information

[gaunt phoenix]

Ethereal Rampage

Oh

oh that's not us

we are Ethereal Reaping?

oh that's some old tier set shit

[red zinc]

ethereal rampage was s1 tier ye

[glass mortar]

any % damage split that was added in hero talents (TWW) doesnt work

[red zinc]

or uh

not tier

[glass mortar]

or didnt work anyway, they may have been fixing them over the expac

[red zinc]

idk maybe it was

[vivid vessel]

no we are fate intervined

[hybrid crown]

Maybe that was the DF season 2 dmg proc

Idk

[gaunt phoenix]

i was confused by ethereal rampage for a sec

[vivid vessel]

ye it was df s2 tier i think

?

[white marten]

Great attention to detail on that pause. Gotta wait for tank to get aggro

[jade abyss]

Shadowheart talent doesn't work with subterfuge? Why that talent is never taken

[wintry solar]

zombie samurais

[glass mortar]

because its worthless

and yes it doesnt work with subterfuge

u get 2% leech for the 1 attack u make to break stealth

enjoy

[jade abyss]

Ah lol

that's the issue then

[glass mortar]

might add up to 100k healing over a raid boss fight

[jade abyss]

it should work with subterfuge

[glass mortar]

i mean it would be pretty bad even if it worked with subterfuge

40% uptime on 2% leech

my class talents

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

[glass mortar]

its just laughable as is

[vivid vessel]

blizzard legit

[jade abyss]

yeah but I mean so is Rushed setup

[vivid vessel]

didnt care

about rogue talents

[jade abyss]

our utility talent like these are pretty lackluster

[vivid vessel]

they just put random nodes

[jade abyss]

I feel like

[glass mortar]

this thing was 5000% a placeholder talent

that they forgot to fix

[gaunt phoenix]

where is midnight this is dumb

how much did they pay blizz

to do this

[wintry solar]

you get zombie samurais solo

[unreal pagoda]

I cant believe Outlaw go reworked to let us be a samurai from Onimusha

[vivid vessel]

guys

why is there an ayayayaya game

before my wow game

i want wow now ! !!!

[wintry solar]

idk what that means

[glass mortar]

im sorry i cant get over this

[unreal pagoda]

Do you think we are getting a new class or just a new spec?

[gaunt phoenix]

spec

dh

[glass mortar]

im in several wow discords all watching this same stream and people complaining

[covert kestrel]

and new DH races

[unreal pagoda]

I kinda wish the 3rd spec was a dps healer for DH

[glass mortar]

mfw someone asks why we need the 5th lego batman game as we wait for the 19th wow expansion reveal

[unreal pagoda]

but i doubt it is

[wintry solar]

im emjoying it tbh

[vivid vessel]

WERAN

STFU

NO ONE ASKED YOU

[wintry solar]

ORLEANS!

[vivid vessel]

give wow now !!

[wintry solar]

I HATE THAT PLACE :D

[vivid vessel]

fuck orleans fr frrrr

guys

[wintry solar]

One stick of deodorant wipe out half the population of new orleans

[vivid vessel]

waht time is reveal

im not waiting till midngiht

for midnight reveal

[unreal pagoda]

you have to preorder midnight to see the reveal at midnight

[glass mortar]

imagine how based that would be tho

[vivid vessel]

ok

[glass mortar]

they better no release midnight till midnight PST frfr

[vivid vessel]

im preordering

where is it

[wintry solar]

thatd be cool

[frail veldt]

ROFL the game theyre showing right now looks like it was made in early 2000s

[white marten]

Im also preordering ultimate deluxe pack

[unreal pagoda]

the code to preorder was available only at midnight Sunday sorry

[white marten]

Everyone get the highest tier so that they can afford more devs to work on Rogue

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

the stats look scary zac no?

end of week

[wintry solar]

quiet. im complying rn

[vivid vessel]

what does

[proven ocean]

echo ahead

idk

or

[vivid vessel]

ah the %?

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

nah

[proven ocean]

ye

[vivid vessel]

its not

[proven ocean]

they still can kill princess

if they do

its giga loot

[vivid vessel]

nah

both guild hit enrage

[proven ocean]

oh

[wintry solar]

why we getting tv show news

[vivid vessel]

its just that liquid hadnt optimised damage

the % diff is big

[wintry solar]

on gamescom

[vivid vessel]

but they both got to the same fight lenght

doesnt matter

[buoyant cosmos]

pop culture op

[glass mortar]

60% boss hp is within marks hunter variance tbh

they just need a better pull

[unreal pagoda]

damn fallout before wow

[proven ocean]

omg

fallout

[wintry solar]

I HATE IT

[proven ocean]

yesyes

[proven ocean]

ye but

[wintry solar]

Its always FO76 and TV Show news

[proven ocean]

if echo actually kills it

its omega gg

imo

[unreal pagoda]

is WoW really considered a bigger ticket reveal then this stuff

[vivid vessel]

i think echo might have an advantage btw this tier

[proven ocean]

or

[vivid vessel]

if they kill it

[proven ocean]

u saying they cant kill

oh

[vivid vessel]

this reset

[proven ocean]

ye

they will

for sure

[vivid vessel]

i mean idk if they can

[proven ocean]

ik mean

i mean

[vivid vessel]

but if they manage to do

[proven ocean]

they wil lhave the advantage

[vivid vessel]

its insane loot diff

for vault

[proven ocean]

i didnt mean they will kill

yeye

[vivid vessel]

no but i mean ross

that it would be prolly the first time ever

it would have been better to start 2nd

[novel timber]

is this trinket worth using in keys for aoe?

[vivid vessel]

than first

[proven ocean]

they reached princess before them

[vivid vessel]

IF they kill this reset

[proven ocean]

so idk about that

but

i see what u mean

ye

[vivid vessel]

i mean ye but they didnt prog any of the boss first is the thing

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

[vivid vessel]

so its kidna strange you know

[glass mortar]

trinket isnt particularly good in aoe vs st

[proven ocean]

but thats only if they do kill it

[glass mortar]

its a fine filler trinket if ur budget needs the haste

[vivid vessel]

yeye

[proven ocean]

if they dont its a disadvantage imo

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

its not worth budgeting around tho imo

[gaunt phoenix]

its good st if you believe in crit rng

[buoyant cosmos]

They keep hitting enrage rn?

[vivid vessel]

HOLY SHIT

[unreal pagoda]

the preorder stuff leaked

[vivid vessel]

ITS THE BIG EYED GIRL

[proven ocean]

they are sending a long raiding session tho

[glass mortar]

eh its not too crit varried because it happens over like 4 hits or something solo

[proven ocean]

WAIT NO WAY

ITS HERE

[glass mortar]

would be turbo cringe if it was 1 attack

[proven ocean]

HER*

[novel timber]

this is currently what i'm working with so i'm guessing not worth swapping one of those out

[buoyant cosmos]

that was announced like three weeks ago

[proven ocean]

im gonna buy epic edition instantly

once its up

no delay

like

cock buy

not just insta buy

[vivid vessel]

i think its up?

[desert tendon]

they ll tune if needed to have them finishing the raid before this weekend

[vivid vessel]

how do i buy guys

[desert tendon]

zero

[unreal pagoda]

I thought it wasnt confirmed yet

[proven ocean]

guys

no

not yet zac

btw

guys

[unreal pagoda]

not a fan of the transmog set

[proven ocean]

we get to buy it rtoday

i guess

ye?
a

after

reveal

as usual

?

[wintry solar]

yeah

[proven ocean]

OMGOMGOGM

AND

WE GET THE

NEW LOADING SCREEN

I MEAN

[buoyant cosmos]

"pre-order now" as the last slide on the reveal

[proven ocean]

LOGIN SCREEN

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

WOULD BE INSANE

EKOPSFA;JKMRSP'G;KMLTRGBSRTKLOBMT SGKLBS;TM,N

IM HYPED OUT THE WAZOO CUH

SHEEEEEEEESH

NOCA PPI

[unreal pagoda]

did you have a stroke

[glass mortar]

zac do u wanna build ur house next to mine uwu

[gaunt phoenix]

Uwu

[wintry solar]

watch it just be the cinematic and at the end it says "Pre-order now"

[proven ocean]

U NEW HERE OR

CAPS

[glass mortar]

@desert tendon will be our neighbor

[buoyant cosmos]

They'll do the zone flythrough announcing stuff

[unreal pagoda]

I still hope for tinkerer one day

[glass mortar]

best i can do is purple dh

er

[desert tendon]

neighbour to what

[glass mortar]

more purple dh

[desert tendon]

to who

where

[unreal pagoda]

Im curious what purple DH will play like

[buoyant cosmos]

support

[gaunt phoenix]

caster

[vivid vessel]

ye bro

we can

[tight egret]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

WAIT WE CANT

YOU ARE NA

LOSER

[wintry solar]

OMG VICTOR IN FALLOUT

[vivid vessel]

HAHAHAH

[glass mortar]

so thats a no?

🥹

[vivid vessel]

BRO THE NA NEIGHBOURDHOUGHR

SO BAD

[glass mortar]

i mean u already got the guns

seems like ur ready to me

[vivid vessel]

OUR NEIGHTBDHJAOURGH WILL BE SO MUCH BETTER CUH

[covert kestrel]

lol yeah why would you use projector when you have two of the best law trinkets on hero/myth?

[wintry solar]

tHE bOOMERS

caps

[vivid vessel]

caps

[gaunt phoenix]

projector seems good at certain kill timers i guess

[wintry solar]

Boone!

[desert tendon]

fallout such a greazt licence

can easily be in a top 10 goat

[gaunt phoenix]

or amp

[stuck magnet]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry solar]

star studded

[wintry solar]

fr

[unreal pagoda]

yo a deathclaw

[wintry solar]

deathclaw!

[desert tendon]

next to bioshock, would be really good

[wintry solar]

FINE I'll watch the damn show

[unreal pagoda]

a bioshock show would be sick

[desert tendon]

hmmm would it be

[glass mortar]

it was gud

[desert tendon]

probably

[glass mortar]

not like crazy or anything but if u enjoy fallout flavor