outlaw

[undone notch]

Stealth windows feel real bad to me without ambush :/

[fathom bramble]

you can if you want to

but it is worse

looking like taking audacity is even worse

which makes sense since you are just adding even more casts of a substandard generator

[undone notch]

I just really like how you can pump out a lot of Gun finishers during stealth windows even without resets w the better ambush

Broadside + Improved Ambush means you get at least a 5 point after a single ambush, I'm okay with ditching audacity

[safe pasture]

How big a damage jump is our 4 set from 2 tryna get hyped for this vault

[tidal wave]

200k?

[undone notch]

Without ambush, during stealth windows do you just kinda like, pray for resets?

[fathom bramble]

yes

[undone notch]

I feel like I’m usually unbelievably unlucky with SS

[safe pasture]

You also can help yourself out by going into your stealth window with prove + blade flurry

Procs

Lots people mess up by wasting their prices to get combo points then go into crack shot windows

Procs zzz

[undone notch]

I mostly mean single target

[snow heron]

hello, Could someone explain the rotation to me, please?

[torpid fiber]

afaik this is not a proven dps gain

[torpid fiber]

you build and then you spend and then you do it all again

[chilly dagger]

if i crafted a weap this week am i opening as sub tomorrow?

[undone notch]

Blade flurry helps a lot of groups but not having 3 point ambush (or ambush at all) feels bad for single target

[torpid fiber]

you just get used to it

you get less btes as KIR than as HO but that's just kinda how it is

[safe pasture]

Don’t see how it couldn’t be a gain it would maximize your crack shot reset chances

[torpid fiber]

it's just never panned out as a gain in sims for whatever reason

[prime glade]

tbf there isn't really a rotation, theres priority buttons and then you kinda roll with what reality slings at you. Would be best to consult wowhead or the faq for a breakdown of whats important when and why, then when you have more specific questions ask them here. otherwise i'd just be reciting whats already written down in another channel to you

[torpid fiber]

iirc it's basically always net neutral

[safe pasture]

Weird

[torpid fiber]

the risk is that you end up losing combo points because you already have stacks and then sinister strike opp proc to like 4-5 cp

and then you either sinister strike again and risk munching a proc or send ps and overcap

it's definitely something you can do though, also can help a bit with brief downtime windows if you have an opp proc to send for a gcd you've detached

[frail veldt]

#outlaw-faq

has the rotation explained

[snow heron]

mm, okay, so do you know where I can see specifically what I need to do at the beginning?

[frail veldt]

The only predictable buttons on your opener are adr and rtb

after that its all dynamic

[prime glade]

FAQ page - simplified priority list

[snow heron]

oh, nice thaks

[safe pasture]

Bet good to know also for raid specifically single target are we not just running sub? Personally feel like the single target this week been pretty underwhelming but could be me just sucking unsure

[frail veldt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[prime glade]

are u saying in raid we are gonna run subtlety?

because in raid i run outlaw because i play outlaw.

[safe pasture]

I ran outlaw on all my heroic clear but feel like I’m gona swap sub for single target sense it’s been incredibly underwhelming from what I’ve feels

[prime glade]

Yeah i mean.. If you run outlaw to be optimal then you are not being optimal and you shouldn't be running outlaw

[queen ermine]

Hey guys, i'm kinda new to outlaw and I was wondering beside aggro in which case I can Evasion to get value out of it ?

[prime glade]

this spec is not the best at hardly anything and even when its really good on the charts, it requires such tight gameplay that it doesn't practically make sense

[safe pasture]

I mean ima run it for a parse but that’s about it probably for raid I play outlaw cause it’s fun as fuck in m+

[torpid fiber]

various physical attacks
it's honestly pretty inconsistent, generally you can consistently use it on archer shots and stuff but other than that there's always a few random mechs every season you just have to get told it works on or test yourself

[cedar kernel]

i think the most easy way to define whether i could use evasion is like the brown or yellow circle aoe

and u must face to the target to evade

if ur not facing then gg

[snow heron]

It always has to be a dagger and a one hand?

[stiff hawk]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[cedar kernel]

hi tira

just woke?

[fathom bramble]

what if they randomly buff ambush damage by 40% and then ambush kir becomes good 🤔

[snow heron]

ty

[torpid fiber]

what if they randomly buff blade rush damage by 4000% and then it becomes mediocre still

[stiff vector]

[stiff hawk]

Hey bac, nah but still tired

[cedar kernel]

good rest

[prime glade]

Buff and outlaw happen in the same sentence once a year and we already have our once this year

[stiff hawk]

Best we can do is increasing dmg by 100% and hardcap it at 8

[fathom bramble]

I wonder where the BR buff would actually have to be for us to run it

it might be in the 1000% range with what it competes with

[torpid fiber]

the 4000% number is off the top of my head from what i heard someone simmed last season as a meme to answer this question

it's actually unbelievably bad of a button rn

[fathom bramble]

currently a fully channeled 7cp KS has 21 times the base damage of blade rush

1000% might almost make it an okay skill

and then 4000% to compete with ace ?

[stiff vector]

there isnt much room for it and it isnt a finisher so itd need to do a metric shit ton of dmg

not to mention make it worth picking up over another talent

[craggy barn]

zac why is it counting last seasons shit for total run 🙁

[haughty wigeon]

make it a spender

ongod

[stiff hawk]

Not again

[undone notch]

Just make Blade Rush old killing spree lmao

[torpid fiber]

just make new ks uncapped and delete br

the fact that new ks channels for so long means it's effectively energy regen anyways

[fathom bramble]

I kind like the idea of actually being able to cast it more dynamically since it has movement attached to it

give 1 supercharged cp 🤔

[haughty wigeon]

i mean at this point

make it do anything

i miss it.

[dawn talon]

i think br just needs to go

[fathom bramble]

there's nothing really wrong with it in the same way as some things that actually needed or need to be cut though

it's just criminally undertuned and in a weird spot on the tree for the power level it offers

[haughty wigeon]

ya its not like barrage

to be cut

it had a usage until recently

[fathom bramble]

like if it was where TT was and gave a mediocre amount of combo points I think people would be happy ot have it

[dawn talon]

there's nothing wrong with it, but what does it add to the current design of the spec

[fathom bramble]

if it didn't cost a talent point I'm pretty sure you would at least cast it under some circumstances

which is kind of where it was for years until it just got randomly placed competing with several ~7.5%+ talents

but with where it is it definitely adds nothing to the current design of the spec

as you simply cannot pick it in any reasonable build

[torpid fiber]

i almost suspect this isn't true rn

[fathom bramble]

at extreme target counts it still becomes acceptable damage per execute time

[torpid fiber]

huge news for when i'm doing icc clears

[fathom bramble]

or floodgate

like it would by no means be some huge buff to just gain access to it

but it's not hard to imagine the exact spot it could fill in the current design of the spec with a little nudge from tuning and a positional change in the tree

or filling a 1gcd dead spot when you get unlucky on energy

and/or fuck up the rotation and lose ar

[tender wedge]

This is what it was for in SL from memory

[lucid sandal]

I wish we could play with gsw

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel So many keys bro you're missing out hop on

[slate frigate]

Been playing rogue for a couple of years on different variants of wow and only ever did sub/assa on retail, how hard is outlaw compared to those two? It looks giga complicated, never gave it a shot

[cinder relic]

Hardest of the 3

But if you've played specs like fury it's not tha bad

[slate frigate]

Have played some fury, really not enjoyable though ah

[cinder relic]

What didnt you like about fury

[slate frigate]

Felt like it was a lot of button mashing

always leaned a bit more to arms when playing warrior

[lime lake]

[rich bobcat]

is outlaw better then assa or same?

[jolly geyser]

ass better

[shadow hawk]

ass>boobsies

[cinder haven]

outlaw is even more button mashing but you have to hit the right ones too

[lucid sandal]

Yeah lmao

[vapid sundial]

'

then

thats not mashing

smh

[lucid sandal]

When you get 7 crackshot procs in a row it is

[boreal grove]

is using a dagger in my off hand a huge dps loss?

in pve

cus we used to use one in pvp last ssn

[jolly geyser]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[boreal grove]

nice

[smoky whale]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[orchid nymph]

are there any weakauras here

[hot olive]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[ocean imp]

I think I'm getting the hang of outlaw now, but I still got somes issues with the priorities. What's the prio list here :
-2x Vanish
-KS
-BtE during subterfuge
-RtB during subterfuge
-BtE
-Coup de Grace

[inland acorn]

Ks - coup - vanish - rtb during subt - bte in subt

[smoky whale]

Why Rtb in sub?

[ocean imp]

If you're into subterfuge when KS/Coup de grace become available, you still keep BtE'ing though right?

[inland acorn]

Yes

[weary fog]

supercharging the 4x bte is good

[inland acorn]

Supercharger for bte, cdr on rtb

[smoky whale]

uhh understanded

[ocean imp]

So Vanish x2 does not change things?

[weary fog]

dont rtb if u cant fit another gcd in ur sub window tho

[ocean imp]

It still means you fucked up somewhere but that doesn't change the upcoming rotation

[inland acorn]

No, you want KS on cd asap

[ocean imp]

👌

[inland acorn]

I think that has been debunked as just feelcraft

It doesn't move needle in terms of dps

[inland acorn]

It can sometimes happen naturally, but shouldn't be very common

[worldly shale]

Bruh that has to be the best feeling in life

Like fuck love

7 crackshots>

[ocean imp]

Got a 68M crackshot in a subterfuge window yesterday

Felt good

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-fever-fortnite-dance-crackshot-fortnite-fortnite-crackshot-gif-14783290193556266424

[weary fog]

10 crackshots is my record

[vivid vessel]

sorry i will update ..

(update it yourself noob)

[craggy barn]

nou

too lazy to figure out how to reset it if it even is possible

i just assume its bugged

the api itself

[daring oxide]

I did a strat on soulbinder mythic where you skip doing any adds in the 3rd wave and just full ST the boss

We killed the boss a bit before the 3rd forced spawn

Is a nice strat for easy kill

I recommend

[gleaming socket]

Outlaw prefer Trickster in M+ and Fatebound in Raid?

[agile orchid]

fatebound for ST, M+ trickster for everything else

[gleaming socket]

Outlaw talents and rotation change a lot between Hero specs?

[stiff vector]

bruih wtf why do i have 900 world ms all of the sudden

[strong cargo]

A lot no, builders priority change a bit, and if you play 1fth vs 2fth it also changes a bit but general rules are the same

[lucid sandal]

Also have to track Coup and not waste procs

[gleaming socket]

So keep KS on CD - Coup when it proc - Use Vanish - RtB - BtE during Subterfuge. Other than that AR on CD and low Combo points - BtE when buffed . It is right?

[stiff vector]

ofc I finally get eco trinket in the run where i randonmly have 400-900 world ms and the game is unplayable

[lucid sandal]

I always get loot when I play poorly somehow

[stiff vector]

idek how tf I could zone into a new dungeon after just doing one perfectly fine and randomly have 500+ world ms and no1 else does? Like my internet is fine

[grim spear]

.fuu

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vapid sundial]

@proven ocean okay we are onto resurrected

[worldly shale]

skill issue

Alt btw!

[proven ocean]

Whats that

Oh

Dexter?

Bice

N

[vapid sundial]

Ye

[agile quiver]

what's higher prio during subt, BtE or Coup?
(yes, I know ideally you don't get coup during subt at all, but suppose it does)

[quiet root]

bte

you don't coup in subterfuge

[pure folio]

bte

[quasi coral]

Help me pls, cant understand.
Coup de Grace button glows on my bar. Should i use it with ANY number combo points or only with 5+ ?
There is no tooltip on CDG with increase dmg from combo points used.

[spare dome]

if you would build with SS, on any cp

[quasi coral]

it mean if i dont have pistol proc to fast rise my CP and 3-4 SS is only source to rise CP , to i should use CDG on any CP ?

[balmy topaz]

WE GOT IN

[spare dome]

ye

[daring yoke]

just pray an assa didnt apply or u ganna get kicked

[balmy topaz]

Outlaw vs Sub

[daring yoke]

plz win

make us proud

[timid portal]

anyone have the 7 coin macro?

for fb

[ocean imp]

Reading this made me realize I might have been goofing up, I've been sending Coup de Grace as soon as it was ready in all situations

[spare dome]

read the whole faq, it will be on exam tomorrow

[grim spear]

coup is so weird

[ocean imp]

yea

[gaunt rover]

What are people planning to craft week 2

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe ring or belt

Unless you bought boe ring

[grim spear]

I bought two boe rings, then realized I could only wear one

sold the other one

actually made quite a profit

[sterile wharf]

whats the haste break point?

[torpid fiber]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[sterile wharf]

cheers

[fallen knot]

chat

what tank is looking really super strong in m+?

[normal forge]

Vengeance dh

Lots of control

druid is doing a lot of dmg

[fallen knot]

i was leaning towards either warrior or dk

but i know dk is a nono cause it gets oneshot

and warrior i'd need to level it

chat another question

is the campaign skip bugged

[vivid vessel]

War

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[tropic zephyr]

i'm trying to get rid of elvui, what do I use for minimap, chat and bags?

i like the elvui minimap with the square + buttons for friends window or whatever you map onto them

[hasty warren]

minimap u can use sexymap, chat prat and bad I love baganator

[tropic zephyr]

can you map buttons on sexymap?

to open socials or whatever

[hasty warren]

maybe, u can custom many things

better to try ir

[tropic zephyr]

hm ok, i'll try it out tonight

atm i just kept elvui with plates and unitframes turned off

[hasty warren]

there's base config but they are not great

better do urse

maybe on wago u can find something

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i'll look for existing profiles

thx

[fallen knot]

ok but i need to level it

what race

[hasty warren]

@tropic zephyr personaly I use leastix plus for the map to just have a simple square

[tropic zephyr]

[hasty warren]

and minimap button are in a menu I can click to show them all

can't remember addon name

minimap button something

[tropic zephyr]

yeah i have that one, but idc about that

[hasty warren]

it's qol and preference

I just don't like having 20 button on the map

[tropic zephyr]

yeah that's omega bad

[solemn drift]

Hidingbars or something like that

[covert kestrel]

Good morning outlaw I hope all NA vaults are juiced to the tits today

[hasty warren]

can't wait for eu one

need tier piece

[fervent garden]

seriously. last weeks +mastery shite still burns

[cobalt zinc]

Minimapbuttonbutton

[fervent garden]

Trickster still waiting for all four tier pieces before switching correct?

[cinder haven]

not necessarily

you should sim

with a loaded dice talent profile option

you need a fair bit of ilvl difference for it to be worth

[fervent garden]

ok cool thank you

[lament flume]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hasty warren]

y that's it

[granite merlin]

Yall use elusiveness or cheat death

On one hand I could use one but then there is also the other

[spare dome]

raid cheat death

elu in m+

[hasty warren]

elu in raid can be taken too no ?

on heavy damage boss

[urban bramble]

Can take either really, Cheat is just safe in raid and don't have to think about it

[hasty warren]

ye it's game saver sometimes

[cinder haven]

I use cheat in keys too until I can't live without elusiveness

[weary fog]

i use cheat if im doing farm keys while watching a show on my other monitor

brain off is nice

[cinder haven]

can take more risks with cheat available too, can be really nice sometimes

[hasty warren]

i use cheat on key because i'm what I can cloak/évasion

[gaunt phoenix]

today we get 2pc

a great day

[hasty warren]

do you play 2p+2p ?

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid

ya

[hasty warren]

or it's useles ?

[glass mortar]

its useless for trickster

so u can play it where u can play fatebound

[weary fog]

2p in raid feels good but its pretty shit for trickster in keys

[glass mortar]

which could be argued is everywhere but anyone who has played fatebound in keys will tell you it is not in fact, everywhere

[weary fog]

and playing fb in keys feels ass

[cinder haven]

2p+2p isn't that bad if you get a bunch of ilvl also, just remember to sim with loaded dice

[midnight granite]

High roll weapon for sure in vault right

[covert kestrel]

1fth is making me more sad in keys without s2 tier

[glass mortar]

i refuse to play it

just taking the aoe L in keys so far

it feels bad but at least it doesnt "feel" bad

[red zinc]

taking the aoe L and the st L

[glass mortar]

yup

[red zinc]

i do not hate myself that much

[glass mortar]

the everything L

[covert kestrel]

which is the smaller L, pc or gs

[glass mortar]

i drop ghostly because even with it ur st in keys is still dog

[midnight granite]

Losing is would be crazy

Gs

[glass mortar]

i played all of last season without GS so

it is what it is

not like ur gunna be doing good ST regardless

[red zinc]

ok delve

[glass mortar]

[midnight granite]

Nah I top st

[glass mortar]

its the smaller loss overall in key probably

[midnight granite]

Just 6 buff

[red zinc]

even with 6 buff you lose against anyone able to put their hands on the keyboard

[midnight granite]

[red zinc]

ima keep it a buck

[covert kestrel]

zac and ross are famous

[red zinc]

week 1 pusher microcelebrities

[glass mortar]

keys feel super easy tho at least

i pugged my key all the way up to a 12 then dropped it to a 10 and did it twice redropping it

almost got a 4 mythic vault from just that but then a dps dc'd on the last key and we had to 4 man it

[midnight granite]

Anyone pushing w1 needs help

[red zinc]

ill do some keys when i get 4p

[glass mortar]

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found this og banger the other day

[weary fog]

holy, thats a lot of people running floods

[glass mortar]

[weary fog]

everyone just farming pacemakers ig

[covert kestrel]

and mud

and geezlezorp giggle zap dagger

[hasty warren]

half keys in researsh are flood

[covert kestrel]

for dirty assa fotm reroller

[midnight granite]

So good

Just be the only rogue and drop double daggers from king

[hasty warren]

kek

[midnight granite]

Farm flood? Nah

[drowsy jacinth]

I just kept getting floodgate, it's almost every other key

[jolly geyser]

flooded with flood

[balmy spade]

Testing dungeons is a fun thing to do

And you can’t really learn if mechanics do not even scratch you

On a 10

Naturally I also do some higher keys at the start to get a feeling of how the dungeons are gonna feel

[midnight granite]

All the dungeons are repeats lol

[balmy spade]

Yeah that’s the whole loop of the game

We do the same in and out

[midnight granite]

So what are you talking about

[balmy spade]

And the earlier I learn the better I get

No what are you taking about is the question

I don’t see it as an issue to play high keys early on

[rapid grail]

!sim

!simc

how too sim outlaw rogue?

[glass mortar]

u type simc into ur wow client not here

then copy paste the string to raidbots

and sim

[hasty warren]

/simc

[midnight granite]

It's not an issue. People can do what the want. It's just inefficient and with turbo boost garbage mostly a waste of time w1

[balmy spade]

Game is a waste of time anyways id you look at it from that perspective

[spare dome]

if you dont push week 1

[midnight granite]

[spare dome]

and dont have any friends

you are stuck with actual bots

no kidding

[midnight granite]

Fans news

[balmy spade]

I am full bis, raid is done and what else can I do

Rn

[midnight granite]

Go outside

[balmy spade]

I am outside rn

[midnight granite]

[balmy spade]

But it takes like 12 hours and you’re literally full in every slot if you game with friends

Plus raids done I legit have nothing to do on my rogue rn

[fresh frost]

Did someone know what's a "lucky fatebound coin" ?

[slate forge]

It’s the final thing in the hero talent tree the never proc’d before this tier/bug abuse

[gaunt phoenix]

the capstone

[ocean valley]

Am I the only one feeling energy starved since patch? Did something change that I missed?

[gaunt phoenix]

our only changes are killing spree, tier sets, and fatebound coin buffs

[ocean valley]

That’s what I thought. Maybe just bad luck on cp generation then

[gaunt phoenix]

old tier trickster is slightly more annoying with killing spree's increased cooldown but i dont generally feel starved

[spare dome]

no 5 buffs

less chances for broadside

[strong halo]

Guys are we really gna get cooked because we do well on 1 aoe boss

Then new raid data dmg our dmg on bosses is pathetic lmao

[spare dome]

surely they look at the number of parses too not only parse itself

[fervent garden]

yeah but we do awesome in one spot so lets blown the f*cking thing up

[feral glen]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[snow hill]

Nah I felt it too. Fixed it by accident by keeping Haste around 20-21% vs 18-19% when switching out pieces of gear.

[mossy shell]

that infographic hurts my eyes, I would rather not know than read this

[gaunt phoenix]

i kind of doubt that you can suddenly feel 2% haste after the cap

[rapid grail]

i mean dungeon slice and other things xD which should i use?

[glass mortar]

dungeon slice is fine

[mossy shell]

never sim just do vibe-based gearing/build

[midnight granite]

Sims are fake anyway

[jade abyss]

We are still not pressing coup de grace inside subterfuge even with tierset right?

[gaunt phoenix]

that is correct

[snow hill]

Nah, switched it then switched it back a couple of times. It was there. Energy gaps and a slower rotation.

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it's in your head

[strong halo]

The only time I feel energy starved is without AR

But idk if there’s ever a world where you should feel craft and get an item with more haste that would contradict a sim result

[snow hill]

Or, more rationally, we could agree that within the small mismatches of gear atm that 20% haste is just smoother than 18-19%

[normal forge]

mismatch of gear and rotation, even simc rotation can be flawed, and, obvious, rotation during game can be flawed, so some stats can compesate some of that balance

[snow hill]

Hey I never said it messed with my DMG. I'm saying I felt energy starved/Regen gaps

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont disagree, but this is about the impact of 1-2% haste

i dont think you can feel that at all

something something confirmation bias

[prisma vessel]

is it possible to feel a difference by 6% perhaps?

[strong halo]

But sims are an average of many, when would you ever feel craft over what the sim says

[snow hill]

Shrug
I know what I experienced. Something something a lack of evidence does not mean that the evidence itself is absent

[glass mortar]

i ran a full dungeon with 17% haste as kir because i forgot to fix my haste after swapping 3 pieces and only ran out of energy once on a boss

[strong halo]

No one says sins are perfect but why wouldn’t they be the most empirical way to make a gear decision

[glass mortar]

haste isnt even needed tbh

fake news stat

[gaunt phoenix]

i think i you can easily deviate from the sim for rotation stuff but stats are hard to justify

[glass mortar]

(this is why we just trust sims)

[prisma vessel]

when you pop higher than 30% haste and feel the speed!

[strong halo]

Yeah I’m talking purely gear aspect. Do people use sim for rotation?

Seems complicated given all situations are different

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, at least here in ravenholdt, our guides are built upon testing rotation stuff in simc

[prisma vessel]

robot=human

[torpid fiber]

it's a lot easier to have consistent rotations from apls for specs like outlaw as well, where you don't want to hold cds generally

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is very well implemented and has rather simple core rotation logic

[strong halo]

Outlaw is the least consistent rotation tho

[hybrid crown]

I mean if you deviate from the sim chances are it's going to be a loss

[torpid fiber]

Not really

[strong halo]

It’s a core prio / rules

[hybrid crown]

Like, what the apl would do vs just doing whatever

[real yew]

Solo, on a boss pull do you wait till you have a good 3 KiR buffs or w/e and KiR any 3 buffs?

[torpid fiber]

outlaw is very consistent bc blade flurry means the rotation basically doesn't change in aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

The rule is 4 buffs but 3 buffs is not really an expected dps loss

i would kir a good 3 buff with broadside

[torpid fiber]

There's like 10 "no change" things you can do if you want iirc

[strong halo]

I’m not disagreeing I’m just saying you pull the priority from the sims, but at the end of the day you react to procs etc.

[real yew]

I've noticed that sometimes on some pulls that CTO doesn't proc early I sit with KiR up a long time, dnk if i'm losing much dps waiting..

[torpid fiber]

this is hindsight fallacy though

You can't know cto won't proc until it's too late

[normal forge]

sim are avg , but u can also play ur game, as long as it works for you, if you are getting the m+ dones and bossess dead, who really cares?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's interesting yea

if you could know that you wont proc cto then of course 3 buffs is better, but you cant know

[real yew]

I'm using pre-pot too on pull. Do we have a math on this? Like, use KiR with 2 buffs if you're using tempered, etc.?

[gaunt phoenix]

our potion is very minimal so i dont think it influences stuff

[real yew]

K

then I'll wait till I have 3 with broad

thanks!!

[gaunt phoenix]

i would not kir 2 buffs, 3 is the minimum

[real yew]

Got it

[strong halo]

I don’t even feel like lust is that amazing on outlaw vs a mage

[torpid fiber]

It's not

it's really low value

Same with PI

[gaunt phoenix]

Lust is just like an energy rng cushion

[glass mortar]

u react the same way that sims do tho

[prisma vessel]

wish PI was more value 🙁 i just wanna zooooooooooom

[glass mortar]

not really sure what the point being made is tbh

[torpid fiber]

They made it so we have to build haste but haste buffs are still awful on us

[normal forge]

lust makes KS cast shorter, doesnt it?

[glass mortar]

i wish PI had value because that would mean lust has value, not because I want to be PId

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[glass mortar]

me when lust does absolutely nothing for our entire spec always

[normal forge]

why?

[glass mortar]

its not enough being flat damage

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz haste

[glass mortar]

we must go flatter

[gaunt phoenix]

Ks is hasted

[normal forge]

hm

[prisma vessel]

even flatter!

[torpid fiber]

Also presumably makes vial gcd shorter

[glass mortar]

!!

defensive value!!!!

[strong halo]

We were talking about feeling haste and making gear changes based on that. I was saying idk why you wouldn’t always use the sim to decide gear. And I get the guides / APL but I’ve never looked at a sim and thought “I should change my rotation”

[torpid fiber]

Vial gcd being hasted cracks me up every time

Why tf is it like that

[glass mortar]

someone forgot

[torpid fiber]

It's nice but also why the hell

[zinc briar]

mmm is my sim broken?

[glass mortar]

(that this ability exists)

[zinc briar]

PLASTIKS
3,299M DPS

wtf is this low sim

[prisma vessel]

link?

[mossy shell]

is that ST?

[glass mortar]

r u simming aoe build?

[zinc briar]

st y

[mossy shell]

show the sim

[prisma vessel]

HO or KiR?

[zinc briar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3csxQNrbwbLypHTdzwFQaF

[left lily]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[zinc briar]

ah ok

didnt change talents

i was scared

[glass mortar]

ur in aoe talents yea

[prisma vessel]

yea

[zinc briar]

how much is the +% with new set?¿

in st

[junior coral]

I was wonder what the +% with new 4pc for aoe also

Also wondering how far outlaw is behind ass in m+ % wise. 💭

[glass mortar]

they r similar %s to current set

for trickster anyway

[zinc briar]

3,850M DPS with st talents...

outlaw sucks

[prisma vessel]

what was the difference between HO and KiR in terms of DPS for AoE? something around 10% right?

[gaunt phoenix]

what I meant is that there are some rotation situations that are too rare or too minimal to influence the sim average, this is actually kind of common for outlaw

in which case you don't really "know" the answer so you feelcraft it

[hybrid crown]

I was able to hit 4.1 last week with 2 set fatebound

I wonder what I'm at now

[granite merlin]

Ugh my brain in stuck in a bad loop. If I have hekili up I am so used to the rotation I have a feel for what’s next and I know by what dice what I am doing and can anticipate pretty well. Once I turn it off I go like blind stupid.

[prisma vessel]

i hit 4.1 aswell with fatebound. i can't wait for 4pc full!

[strong halo]

Ahhh I see. That makes sense so if you just followed the average you’d do less dps on those occasions. Do you have any specific ones in mind?

[strong halo]

I sim 4.7m ST

[zinc briar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o8rFw6MP2PMYztro519WBr

dafuq is this bro...

im gonna be perma rotated

[glass mortar]

u dont have new set which is pretty big for fatebound

[prisma vessel]

if you had 2pc(old)/2pc(new) it would be better for fatebound

[strong halo]

Yeah im like 699 ilvl but 4 piece

[prisma vessel]

i just hit 693 Dx

[hybrid crown]

The ring and pants are gross eww mastery

[strong halo]

We are crafting wrists this season no? All the drops suck stat wise

[hybrid crown]

And bracers 🤢

[prisma vessel]

i was planning on it but... idk

[granite merlin]

Wait I thought everyone was crafting a ring

And MH

[gaunt phoenix]

i believe one of them is, with new tier, what do you do with RTB after a natural 5 buff KIR. do you roll instantly or do you wait for the buffs to be ~40s remaining?

since a natural 5 buff is so rare it basically does not affect simc average at all

the written rule is to roll instantly, which "by definition" is "fine" as it is not expected to influence the average, though I don't really know if it's right

if you could somehow filter simc to only use iterations that obtained a natural 5 buff then maybe you could get a better answer

[hybrid crown]

I'm either doing ring or bracers. Probably crit vers ring

I got the haste vers and crit vers neck from gambit/priory and the haste vers ring from gambit

[torpid fiber]

I feel like crafting crit vers just makes gearing easier than vers haste crafts

[granite merlin]

So when does 4pc get better with ilvl?

[gaunt phoenix]

Always

[granite merlin]

Than 2+2

What’s everyone talking 2+2 for fatebound

[gaunt phoenix]

cause the dont have new 4pc yet

[granite merlin]

Ohhhh

Gotcha

[gaunt phoenix]

they mean 2/2 vs old 4pc

Fatebound uses 2/2, trickster probably uses old 4

unless ilvl difference is extreme

[granite merlin]

I’m praying for 1 piece of set gear in vault this week :/

[zinc briar]

I see logs in st bosses and outlaw is really far or assa...

[granite merlin]

Sitting on zero feelsbad

[strong halo]

Yeah that’s a good point. It would be hard to feel craft though. I would decide base on what I would find easier in rotation ie insta roll, but that might not be correct as you said.

[hybrid crown]

Assa is doing better than outlaw on st

[zinc briar]

Even the 1st one that is always someone withh full rolls

[strong halo]

Not according to sims 😱

[hybrid crown]

Outlaw is high on the charts you see on wowhead because of cleave bosses. On the boss damage chart it looks like we are middle of the pack

[strong halo]

But our data of dmg to bosses is abysmal

[hybrid crown]

Idk middle of the pack is fine with me

[glass mortar]

middle of the pack... week 1...

[hybrid crown]

We aren't ret paladin 😄

[glass mortar]

those who know

[strong halo]

I thought we were lowest quartile

[gaunt phoenix]

i just instant roll, cause even if your buffs become like 58 58 58 39 39, those 39s buffs will tick down to 0 and then you get to roll again

[prisma vessel]

buffs inc?

[glass mortar]

haha

[prisma vessel]

😄

[hybrid crown]

What like stat dr will catch up to us with ilvl

[civic zephyr]

can you cleave both the adds and dimensius at the same time?

anyone know?

[unique fulcrum]

u cant

oh

yes

u cahn

i thought u said both adds

[glass mortar]

outlaw only ever moves one direction on the charts as the weeks pile on

[civic zephyr]

i did - so like, you hit middle add inbetween far add and will it hit all 3?

[zinc briar]

With btw if u stay in the middle i think

[glass mortar]

for reasons that i wont say because its illegal to (its not actually)

thats all im saying

[strong halo]

I’m ngl I don’t think we’re getting buffed

That 1 dumb raid fight skewed all stats

[torpid fiber]

we're getting buffed in week 10

dw

[glass mortar]

at least we likely wont get nerfed before they realize they need to buff us like s1

me when outlaw does ok week 1 of a season

[civic zephyr]

ok ty, i was wondering cause another rogue was out bladeflurrying me

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm surprised sub is doing so bad at raw st

[zinc briar]

If u are lucky recovering combo points to btw

[strong halo]

Also I hate to me that guy and pretend I have an ego, but I feel like I was doing more on soul hunters heroic than liquid outlaw rogue lmao

[zinc briar]

Y have good log

If not, rip

Welcome to outlaw

[strong halo]

Same

[zinc briar]

Kush was doing shit damage in fract with subt

[civic zephyr]

no didnt down the boss so didnt care too log - it was neena though, she was hidden oppurtunity and i was kir

[keen belfry]

Their rogues don’t play law

[glass mortar]

soul hunters heroic guy was probably killing the boss for the 19th time of splits trying an alt spec to keep from losing their minds

i bet they didnt even roll after kiring

smh

[strong halo]

He was in mythic prog

[torpid fiber]

mythic is a harder fight

[strong halo]

Doing like 5m

[torpid fiber]

With more mechanics

[glass mortar]

mythic is a much harder fight and the uptime on 3 targets seemed lower

uptime for melee in general

[keen belfry]

Yeah daizr is not a current outlaw player

[glass mortar]

was he playing outlaw on mythic? thot they were playing sin anyway

[balmy topaz]

https://wowutils.com/loot/playground/vault

[keen belfry]

They tried law on soul hunters

[balmy topaz]

[strong halo]

He did like 10 pulls outlaw and went back to sin

[torpid fiber]

They played 10 pulls of law

[keen belfry]

Exile doesn’t play law

[glass mortar]

ah yea

its just an alt spec

[keen belfry]

Then they subbed in daizr for like 5 pulls and said naw

[glass mortar]

plus its like fake damage

[strong halo]

And for once in my life I said “I could do that dmg”

[glass mortar]

i mean its not but the damage balance on the bosses is important on that fight

[strong halo]

But prbly did

[glass mortar]

and outlaw cant do the good aoe while also doing good damage focus

[strong halo]

Die

[glass mortar]

and is probably one of the worst specs in on the fight during intermissions

low uptime + single target

[civic zephyr]

forgot to do my delves

[keen belfry]

I don’t know how you’d play law on this saldahaar fight

[strong halo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XrBwNhcz8Gga1DJj?fight=2&type=damage-done

Ez pas

Pad

[vivid vessel]

if it was s2 outlaw

you could

trickster outlaw would do good on it prolly

but rn having to chose between fb ???? trash

[muted tangle]

Hi guys, non native english speaker, i've have some trouble understanding a part of the spec about Killing Spree.

Guide is saying "Do not cast it during Subterfuge or above vanish if Adrenaline Rush is about to fall"
Just to be sure, it means :
-i can cast it if under Adrenaline Rush between 4s-20s even if Vanish is up and
-vanish is to be prioritized if it is up and Adrenaline Rush is around 4-5sec remaining

Thanks 🙂

[vivid vessel]

and trickster ??? - 12% st

idk

[glass mortar]

yea i mean we would be fine on these fights if we had last seasons profile

[keen belfry]

Uptime looks hard

[glass mortar]

its just

[vivid vessel]

im glad they nerfed bf

so even on aoe bosses

you dont play outlaw

and outlaw in m+ just sucks

[balmy topaz]

[vivid vessel]

gg

good tuning

[gaunt phoenix]

it means killing spree is normally the highest priority finisher outside of stealth, but sometimes you must prioritize vanish if adrenaline rush is about to expire. though really in case i would use killing spree but cancel it with vanish just before adrenaline rush expires

[muted tangle]

Thanks !

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel I am losing my mind

[vivid vessel]

what

not getting invites

or what

[balmy topaz]

Ye

Not gained any score today

[vivid vessel]

they called me crazy

when i said outalw sucked on ptr

then it got like 20% aura buff

and it still sucks

oh no

bf nerf not a nerf btw

[balmy topaz]

Idk bro

This shit is cringe

Kicked 3 times today

For not being assa

[vivid vessel]

ye :)

no shit

[balmy topaz]

ALSO I HAVE NO MONEY

[glass mortar]

idk zac i think outlaw is ok or? im still topping my +10 keys i pug with full randoms

i think the last breakdown was like

me at 7.5m, the next at 4m the next at 3.8m, the tank at 2.7m

outlaw must be op

[vivid vessel]

bro

even in 10s

i sometimes not top

i had a guy last time

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

i did a floodgate

[glass mortar]

its so over

[vivid vessel]

a mage/

?

[glass mortar]

if zac ever loses a 10 its just over

[vivid vessel]

he did same damage as me

in a 10

like wtf

[safe pasture]

He built different

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/its-genuinely-over-its-over-its-so-over-seal-sad-seal-gif-27054806

[strong halo]

I’ve gotten beat my mm hunters too many times

Dirty sand baggers

[glass mortar]

mm hunter variance is the top meme this season it seems

"hmm 10% boss damage behind? thats within our MMs variance"

pull AGAIN

[strong halo]

35m opener in gambit I’m not coming back from that one

[glass mortar]

capped spec btw

turbo capped

completely and utterly

[strong halo]

Other discord channels accused ours of being a zac cult btw. I said “absolutely not, I only copy his Ui, diet, haircut and clothing brands”

But it was ironic coming from that other channel

[unkempt cypress]

That's dumb af

[cinder haven]

why does discord sometimes freeze/stop rendering?

[torpid fiber]

I'm not joining the zac cult, he's French

[strong halo]

That’s the best part

🇫🇷

[keen belfry]

im losing to a few random ele shams

[vivid vessel]

:)

[glass mortar]

calling anyone in this discord a cult when 90% of the active typers will get in 10 page arguments with each other over the most minor details of unimportant nonsense and thats about 95% of all the yapping that goes on in here

[vivid vessel]

still cant believe they nerfed bf

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

twice

[tidal wave]

Good luck on everyone's vault

[vivid vessel]

haha

crazy bro

[torpid fiber]

we're all so cooked

[vivid vessel]

this spec is so shit

[strong halo]

Servers up?

Imagine being in EU and waiting for Wednesday reset KEK

[safe pasture]

Is there like a clear best m+ trinket rn or naw

[white marten]

Does Ross have a youtube channel?

[strong halo]

He streams on twitch

[white marten]

For subs only though, i think

[random stirrup]

In whispyrs defence he also said it wasn’t like that anymore

More referring to df

[dim rivet]

just making sure I'm understanding this correctly, with the KiR build, I shouldnt even have ambush on my stealth bar right? just SS?

[strong halo]

I didn’t interpret it that way tbh.

[glass mortar]

u never cast ambush yea

take it off ur bars as kir

[strong halo]

Aren’t all recommended builds KIr now?

kir*

[safe pasture]

If you got 4 set

[glass mortar]

i mean u can still play ho

if ur BAD

[tired rune]

lmao

[glass mortar]

😠

[strong halo]

Delve chose violence

[tired rune]

[glass mortar]

im just playing 2fth kir and accepting im as far behind as HO would be if i played it instead

2 fth for life

[strong halo]

I really do hate how double CDG feels in m+ tho

It’s so clunky compared to what other classes have for tier

[keen belfry]

do i open today for a dagger

i think i do

i crafted swordy

[prisma vessel]

what's the dps diff on sword versus dagger in OH?

[unkempt cypress]

Having myth track dagg for assa/sub is the real benne

[jaunty citrus]

yo wtf

[glass mortar]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[glass mortar]

pvp nerf

[prisma vessel]

link full notes

[civic zephyr]

how important was it to do delves this last week?

[glass mortar]

it can only get u herioc gear

[civic zephyr]

ok ty - so not too important than, i can farm 10s and raid

[jaunty citrus]

oh ty god

[civic zephyr]

friends giving me shit for not unlocking level 2 for the bounty map or something

[keen belfry]

not big, but i may eventually want a myth dagger for couple mythic bosses and maybe some for fun (surely) assa keys

[glass mortar]

bounty maps r a free herioc piece a week and theres some ok trinkets but thats abut it

[civic zephyr]

niceeee

[glass mortar]

u can also get hero track of good rings and necks of course so thats nice

u need track 2 of the seasonal delve track to get the ability to receive the maps for a herioc piece at end tho

[civic zephyr]

leave it the guy with delve in his name to answer the question lmao

[glass mortar]

it took quite a few to get there last week

[craggy quiver]

I hate getting rings and neck early tier

[civic zephyr]

i bought a heroic neck off someone in heroic raid - the bis low haste high vers neck

[craggy quiver]

Feel like have to redo enchants and gems every single time lol

[strong halo]

It’s the only pieces I’m missing

It’s annoying to target tho

Gambit ran 1000 times

[civic zephyr]

gotta do it with the 5 stack

[proven ocean]

where is that

can u link

[vivid vessel]

its pvp changes cuh

dw

like 1 week ago

[civic zephyr]

some rage bait

[proven ocean]

ah

[jaunty citrus]

sorry zeross i was baited too

[late swallow]

just finished 'bating a few hours ago

[tired rune]

we were low enough down the first week chart to escape so far

[craggy quiver]

I didn't think sin would dodge a bat

If that was outlaw we would have been shot dead

[hybrid crown]

it would be nice if WCL had statistics for DPS/healing etc like raid does

for m+

[still matrix]

Assas gonna get hit with them nerfs

[hybrid crown]

I just wonder where outlaw actually is on the charts on average

[cinder haven]

I mean this exists:
https://mythicstats.com/dps

[covert kestrel]

WERE THE GOAT

[cinder haven]

now if everyone can just suck a bit in raid so we get buffed that'd be nice, thanks

[craggy quiver]

It sucks

[vivid vessel]

i mena

[craggy quiver]

It's always the same one tricks play otl

[vivid vessel]

outlaw in raid is litteraly worse than last season

[craggy quiver]

I'm no different lol

Yea

I feel it too

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sandbagger-smurf-alert-alarm-gif-10146193767245578345

[cinder haven]

it's worse, but a bit more enjoyable

[craggy quiver]

I feel like this raid is worst lol

Especially last boss

[cinder haven]

we will fall off on the charts in m+ probably

[craggy quiver]

Definitely

[cinder haven]

we always do

[bright crane]

What are you guys crafting today

[craggy quiver]

Raid too

[cinder haven]

probably ring

[covert kestrel]

vers crit ring

[cinder haven]

vers haste ring surely

so you can use neck from priory

[craggy quiver]

Just buy the boes

[bright crane]

Bet bet

[craggy quiver]

[cinder haven]

just be rich

[covert kestrel]

eh i have the high haste neck and vers crit allows me to potentially play sub if needed

[craggy quiver]

Can you equip two boe rings?

[heady bronze]

What are the trinkets I should try shooting for in m+ for this season? I have read the pinned but I am not sure how to interpret it entirely since it talks about ST a lot. Is it still just pacemaker and something warpclaw?

[cinder haven]

those are decent options yeah

[covert kestrel]

stone idol pretty good, hate the channel tho

[cinder haven]

stone idol is best technically I think out of the options from m+

but idk if I wanna use it

[bright crane]

There’s the trinket from ecodome too

Does pretty solid damage

[stiff vector]

prob gonna use runed enchanted crest from dimensius quest to craft ring

[cinder haven]

can use priory signet too

[cinder haven]

assuming you get something good to use gilded crests on?

[craggy quiver]

I was thinking about bracers today

[stiff vector]

saved up a bunch of my runed and some guilded crests from last week to wait to upgrade shit start of this week as well to min-max crest efficiency so should be able to jump a ton of ilvl this week

[craggy quiver]

Not sure if troll tho

[bright crane]

Same bro been hard capped at 690

Cause of shit drops

[stiff vector]

I mean just to be more efficient with guilded usage and be able to juice vault piece if its good

[craggy quiver]

Is the gilded crest quest thing from completing a delve 11 a one time thing

[covert kestrel]

ye

[vivid vessel]

it goes over the cap btw

the 15 you get from the quest

[craggy quiver]

Ye ye

[cinder haven]

Yeah I’m considering the same idea

[craggy quiver]

Not sure what I want from vault

[cinder haven]

Ilvl isn’t that important on rings

[stiff vector]

im lvl 3 delvers journey already gonna get some juice from delve today in addition to vault

[craggy quiver]

Juiced trinket or tier I'm still 2pc lol

[civic void]

If you completed it after Friday

[cinder haven]

I messed up and did the delve stuff before i stepped foot in m+

[vivid vessel]

wdym

why friday

[cinder haven]

So I got a damn +2 key

[civic void]

they fixed it that day to go over cap

[vivid vessel]

really

[civic void]

I did it before and it counted toward cap

[cinder haven]

Yeah I did it before

[vivid vessel]

well gg

[civic void]

So i'm down 15crests

[craggy quiver]

Etf

[cinder haven]

So I’m also down 15

Fun fun

[stiff vector]

same

[civic void]

New character angle

[unkempt smelt]

It didn't for a lot of people tho

[frail veldt]

Same

[violet ferry]

Where these servers at?

[hybrid crown]

should be up in 30 right

[unkempt smelt]

Basically I think if you were at cap already (90), the 15 from the quest would ignore cap.. but there's a chance people who ignored cap will start at 105/180 this week and just be able to earn 75 instead of 90 so it evens out

[keen belfry]

servers up

time to open

le vault

[covert kestrel]

someone go first im afraid of bugs

[reef forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[keen belfry]

holy ass

[gaunt phoenix]

you didnt do 400 delves?

[royal ermine]

[covert kestrel]

GEEZLE

[jaunty citrus]

H antena or M pacemaker? hmmm

[keen belfry]

next week for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

M pacemaker should be better

[keen belfry]

cant believe the game wanted to give me a mythic sack

[strong halo]

what i do

[keen belfry]

claw

[strong halo]

but gloves?

[gaunt phoenix]

those gloves are "bis"

or if you dont have 4pc you can convert

[strong halo]

i have 4 piece

[rotund zodiac]

L

[gaunt phoenix]

M chest is good

[tired rune]

whats our offset piece pants?

[rotund zodiac]

already have H chest from vault last week , guess I'll take the helm and convert it

[strong halo]

fak is it a gloves angle cuz technically bis or mythic claw

[civic zephyr]

what am i taking

[gaunt phoenix]

claw is whatever there are 9 good trinkets

[covert kestrel]

i girlbossed too close to the sun

[gaunt phoenix]

stone idol !

[violet ferry]

footbomb tho?

[gaunt phoenix]

ring ?

[covert kestrel]

right

ring

footbomb is footass

[civic zephyr]

oh actually?

[strong halo]

i dont raid mythic tho

[gaunt phoenix]

stone idol fucks in keys

[violet ferry]

Have the heroic ring and only 1/4 set

so... shoulder I guess?

[civic zephyr]

ok well then ty!

[stiff vector]

wtf every1 getting mythic claws

[quaint delta]

switch to tier at 2pc or 4pc?

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound 2pc

trickster old 4 most likely

[unkempt smelt]

That sack is nutty

[strong halo]

everyone getting claw lmao

fml

i think its claw angle i have 4 piece but my floating piece is pants

[craggy quiver]

seems ass lol

[violet ferry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

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[near rock]

hmmmm

[vivid vessel]

bad vault

get a new char ?

[near rock]

myth tier pants bro

solid

[gaunt phoenix]

ez neck

[rough oriole]

what the fuck

do i even take here

[strong halo]

stone idol is best m+ trinket apparently

[gaunt phoenix]

convert chest or idol

[tired rune]

idol if you dont need tier

[strong halo]

can i get a vote? claw or gloves....

[rough oriole]

im in awe this is agreat first vault

i figured idol might be good but i wasnt sure if sacbrood was worth it for us to get at mythic

[craggy quiver]

Can I work around this heavy crit haste ring lol

Or neck

[ember goblet]

Myth helm simming over warpclaw for me...

[gaunt phoenix]

ya that sounds normal

[clear tulip]

unforch vault week 1

[ember goblet]

already rocking sigil norm and a idol hero track

[tired rune]

I mean there's better options than claw, won't be replacing myth tier

[ember goblet]

true true thats what i was thinknig

[covert kestrel]

kek

[violet ferry]

I know we don't like mastery, but I didn't mean to go negative

[tribal ember]

Hellooooo, with wow I'm using single button assist to play due to some accessibility issues, has anyone had much success with the feature while playing outlaw?

[cinder relic]

It's very weak for outlaw

[white marten]

Is it weird that max champ tier is only 6 ilvls below hero, Wasn’t the gap bigger last season?

[frail veldt]

if youd like to use it for outlaw you will probably have to add a couple of extra buttons

I think the OBR doesnt press vanish for outlaw iirc

[tribal ember]

How weak we talking? I'm not much for raiding that's all

[frail veldt]

its like 35% loss

[frail veldt]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/estimated-dps-loss-with-highlight-assist-and-one-button-rotation-in-patch-11-2-378081

[tribal ember]

I don't mind using 3 or 4 extra buttons, its just knowing when and understanding the class really

[frail veldt]

But yeah outlaw is one of the weaker OBR specs

because the gcd penalty hurts a LOT for outlaw

wow thats a lot of tier

bruh lolol im so lucky this season holy

[tribal ember]

That's kind of a let down, I love the class fantasy, might consider another class :/

[fervent garden]

2 weeks in a row, no Tier stuff. But got haste vers ring. so its something

[vagrant jacinth]

What do you guys think, 704 ticking sack of terror or 704 weapon

[covert kestrel]

would the weapon be oh?

[vagrant jacinth]

OH most likely, crafting a weapon soon

[covert kestrel]

oh is pretty low prio

[gaunt phoenix]

rough choice. maybe trinket for now and it at least helps you save crests later

[frail veldt]

should I cata a champ track to complete my 4 piec

thoughts?

[vagrant jacinth]

my current trinkets arent great for ST so might be a good option

currently using stone idol and netherprism

[undone notch]

Would hero tier pacemaker or hero legs I can catalyst into my 2nd piece of tier be better?..

[gaunt phoenix]

should probably get tier, or see what you get from raid

[fallen knot]

CHAT

if i use void pactstone as a bdk and istantly die

do i kill everyone else in my party?

[dire kernel]

hey guys, just getting used to outlaw as i can only loot fist weps and haste/vers gear this season. is there a macro that lets me grapple to the target at all?

[vivid vessel]

Bo

[fallen knot]

this trinket

[vivid vessel]

I wish

[gaunt phoenix]

most people use [@cursor] to grapple to the cursor instantly

[covert kestrel]

GIV CUDGL

[vivid vessel]

No

[fallen knot]

do i kill or no zac

[fair charm]

Aww no new pins. I always check here on Tuesdays. 🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm cooking a bit but im slow and dont actually have tier yet