outlaw

[vivid vessel]

how do you know

[proven ocean]

maybe its the elusiveness thats affecting it when i press it?

[vivid vessel]

you often stand in it or what

[proven ocean]

because i get 1 shot by it zac

if i dont feint

[vivid vessel]

ye

but elus

[proven ocean]

idk maybe

isnt it an aoe ability tho?

[vague cape]

tbh i dont think divine toll was ever coded to be an aoe ability

its just firing multiple judgements at different targets

[proven ocean]

ye list looks decent

only thing im unsure about is consecration

[desert tendon]

🤔

consecration used to be considered as dot, therefor not feintable. Idk about now and specially not in pve

[vivid vessel]

are these things usually feintable

i dont think os

or

its just a puddle

[near rock]

@fathom bramble finally got it

[vivid vessel]

that ticks bad

[proven ocean]

no idea but i do press feint but its also elusiveness

[vivid vessel]

with a debuff

so

like the debuff does ndamage

[proven ocean]

oh

its a debuff?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

ye sounds like a dot then

[vivid vessel]

but thats like

eveyr puddle in the game

[frail veldt]

puddles are aoe right?

[proven ocean]

maybe it does an initial dmg

or

[frail veldt]

generally

[proven ocean]

like

intiial aoe dmg?

[vivid vessel]

are they mewo

like

[frail veldt]

dont think it does initial zeross

[vivid vessel]

puddles generaly uyou walk in

[frail veldt]

when he finishes cast

it doesnt do damage yet

[vivid vessel]

and you get a debuff

and the debuff damages you

right

im not crazy

thats like

every puddle in the game

works like that

[frail veldt]

yeah I know but I always thought they were aoe still but now I realize I dont have any evidence for it lol

[unborn aspen]

Mates, can you tell me a good guide about outlaw? I played HO the whole raid on my parsing isnt great, maybe there is something i dont do well (like bursting without good buff or spamming to much rtb ibdont know) thanks !

(i mean, a vocal guide, vidéo, not Reading ahah)

[wintry solar]

you have a fan

[keen belfry]

that was me in my first fortnite dub

nbd

[gaunt phoenix]

man if i pretend 1fth doesnt exist

2fth trickster is kinda peak gameplay

[keen belfry]

trickster is so sick solo

i legit think any psf key last season was peak outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

would be nice with a little clean up

[keen belfry]

cuz ks wasnt a death button in that key

[wintry solar]

psf is also just a great dungeon in general

[gaunt phoenix]

remove UB delay, remove fazed requirement on coup, let pistol shot consume ps

[keen belfry]

i still think its impossible to not waste some UB stacks with the delay

yes

[hybrid crown]

Floodgate is sooo much better with new ks

[keen belfry]

100% agree solo

[hybrid crown]

I ran floodgate like 4 times last season because I hated it so much

[keen belfry]

yeah eric floodgate was very hard as ks last season lol

big momma was hardest

[proven ocean]

ye true

now i remember

almost every puddle is like that ye

[quaint mauve]

in paladin packs in priory

what mob do yall hit

the paladin right?

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk healer

[hasty warren]

i do priest

but pal is good too i think

[frail veldt]

UB delay kills me

even without new tier

[willow portal]

this is really discouraging

[frail veldt]

you SS and turns out you had an auto attack resest on UB

but now you vanished

so youre just sitting there in vanish with coup ready like an idiot

the UB delay is just so long man

[vivid vessel]

:)

[willow portal]

i just sit there with coup and ks ready instead

[frail veldt]

whys that

[gaunt phoenix]

:)

[frail veldt]

tbh though I swear you can just "vibes" tell when you have an AA reset most of the time

[willow portal]

thats a "rank 63" but as there is only like 5 outlaws its a 67%

[gaunt phoenix]

it's encouraging you to improve !

[frail veldt]

can feel it in my bones

[worthy thunder]

ST or AoE for Soulbinder tonight? Do adds actually live on HC?

[gaunt phoenix]

they dont live

i just went st

[unborn aspen]

Can you give link ? So i can compare yours with what i did and understand why my parse is so bad T.T

[vivid vessel]

me when the timer is done in 2 s and i have 3 stacks already and im spamming ss and it just never procs :)

[gaunt phoenix]

well st but trickster

[willow portal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RvmNV3JgC7ZkqXbG?fight=last&view=rankings

[worthy thunder]

I thought so

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk maybe fatebound is good

[frail veldt]

you need better spidey senses

[unborn aspen]

Thanks mate

[willow portal]

i am bad tho so not much to learn there

[chrome pollen]

would you recommend switching from Kir to HO build if im in around 670 and having issues with having value in lower keys? or is this a skill issue

[gaunt phoenix]

do you have old tier set?

[keen belfry]

is running back to a pack that you just ran away from to press coup and a fazed target peak gameplay?

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[keen belfry]

ive had to do that a lot this tier

[unborn aspen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kirin-tor/aelna trust me def better than me ahah

[vivid vessel]

yoooooo

awang

my man

[keen belfry]

you know that gameplay?

[vivid vessel]

yep

of course

[keen belfry]

its peak

brb guys gotta go coup this target over here!

wait real talk

[vivid vessel]

me when my target dies

and i just got coup

and it was the only fazed target

and i have no way to get fazed again

[keen belfry]

if you use a coup to snipe a last second vanish in AR, are you guys sending your 2nd coup in your vanish windoiw

[vivid vessel]

welp

[keen belfry]

i am

[vivid vessel]

ye for sure

[keen belfry]

its gg cuh

i think ive sent more 2nd coups in vanishes than i would care to admit this tier

[chrome pollen]

2-2

[keen belfry]

maybe even first coups

just skill gap

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tmCZMeMJZH69xV4RQ51wjj
No way 701 entropy ring is 24% dps inc with losing embell

wild

[pallid arch]

does anybody recommend macroing ghostly strike into SS?

[tight kernel]

someone fact check it

Im not smart enough

[keen belfry]

cuh

its simming fatebound too

[tight kernel]

well ye for st

[keen belfry]

looks to be .8%

[tight kernel]

oh

LOL

HA

[covert kestrel]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[keen belfry]

id say no even more this tier, there may be tech coming about pressing gs as first gcd in vanish

[pallid arch]

mmm gotcha

ty

[keen belfry]

its just a bad idea in my opinion, press gs at end of pack is bad

same with trinkets

[worthy thunder]

I am guessing this is the same as Forgeweaver?

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eD5zrUgsw4vQC5FdqSn58t

okay makes more sense

2.5m for 0.7 increase

[keen belfry]

2.5 is alot

probs not worth

unles u rich

[tight kernel]

I would have to sell my soul and do sales

[gaunt phoenix]

No forgeweaver a little more questionable

There is a lot of aoe but there it also a st burn

[keen belfry]

naw then dont

[gaunt phoenix]

But also there can be adds during the burn

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel my assa is unleashed

no more 0 crit

[vivid vessel]

huuuge

wtf is my guy doing

[buoyant cosmos]

Has anyone tried quad hook + sprint for the 1st boss knockback to skip the running part?

[vivid vessel]

you have to kill adds

in mythic

so you cant just zoom ahead

also there is a wall of death coming at you

in mythic

[buoyant cosmos]

Gotcha, I'm just doing keys n heroic this season afaik

might pug mythic later

[vivid vessel]

i mean

first boss mythic is easier than last 3 hc

last 4 hc

[buoyant cosmos]

That happens a lot

[vivid vessel]

2nd boss same

both were 1 bang

[buoyant cosmos]

No guild, just five of us making pugs and being picky

[vivid vessel]

by litteraly anyone that killed these bosses

[buoyant cosmos]

Sounds great

[random stirrup]

what the helly

[quaint mauve]

are those… daggers

[random stirrup]

kinda mean

[vivid vessel]

Nooo

[quaint mauve]

im disappointed

[buoyant cosmos]

RNJesus punished him with a soleahs from his deathless run, it's okay

[quaint mauve]

you just reminded me

i haven’t done taza hard mode

yet

[buoyant cosmos]

gl

[keen belfry]

youve already dropped the trenchcoat?

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry have u done it

double ol taz hm

[keen belfry]

i have not

i think

i dont want to do hardmode

seems turbo cringe

[quaint mauve]

seems super sweaty

[keen belfry]

ive adopted not doing anything super sweaty

that seems giga sweaty

[buoyant cosmos]

What if you do it casually

and just get it done

[quaint mauve]

and you need to go through streets aswell

yuck

[buoyant cosmos]

Didn't rwf have a streets skip?

[sudden fulcrum]

It’s not that bad. Plus it’s a chance at mythic loot outside of raid. Pretty worth IMO

[keen belfry]

how long does it take

[quaint mauve]

a decent amount of time… atleast like 2 keys worth of time

im assuming

[analog radish]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[old python]

was the recommended haste w/ flask and everything 20 or 25%? cuz i see different stuff on guides

for KIR that is

[craggy quiver]

20ish

[old python]

hm

then i should probably go for vers flask i guess

sitting at 19.47% without flask

[fresh frost]

isn't it safer to play HO due to the fact that with the huge energy generation you can feint often without loosing dps ?

[dawn talon]

how often do you really need feint rolliing that this is a consideration though

35% vers already makes you insanely tanky

[fresh frost]

dunno on some runs like priory sometimes i'll do it on cd

[covert heart]

When I been doing some of these high keys I barely take damage at like all

Hell I even soaked the 2nd boss mechanic since I had so much verse haha

[glossy pewter]

any merit to thining about GS being up before using KS or just rip them both on cd and hope?

[dawn talon]

priory is pretty comfy to live, hold a vanish if purification is in the next few seconds, cloak the hard overlap on first boss, and feint + eva the tolls

[covert kestrel]

no much more important to send ks as soon as possible at all times

[dawn talon]

nothing else is that dangerous

[dapper lynx]

Hi guys. Can anyone clarify this ability for me?

Does this mean I should be rerolling Roll the Bones after ding 2 finishers to have a super charger combo up? Or should i be rerolling before every finisher for supercharged combo point and to maintain the uptime on RtB? Or do I just have to have uptime on RtB and it’ll constantly be supercharging combo points?

It says here it consumes a supercharged combo point.

[covert heart]

I have noticed that I am almost never in danger in any of the keys I have done. They are 14s so not like the 16s they have done but like all I gotta do is press evasion

And cloak a few mechanics and feint every now and then

[dawn talon]

if your healer isnt mentally afk and you arent an idiot its really hard to die on outlaw 90% of the time

the 10% of the time is undispellable dots

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw-faq has information on when you should be rolling, with old tier you would be rerolling quite a bit to try and get a 5 roll and getting lots of supercharged points that way, with new tier its much less but still a decent part of when you decide to roll.

[covert heart]

Yea usually the vial is enough. But I play with a pretty cracked disc priest

[pale pivot]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[covert heart]

So i am never concerned if he says he needs help then I def pop stuff cuz I know damage is getting crazy

[grave carbon]

what do i play on forgeweaver

with 2p2p

[violet ferry]

❤️

[craggy barn]

rip aberage

[violet ferry]

💔

[white marten]

20% more ez he says lmao

So much confidence in his nonsense

[craggy barn]

lol

[unkempt smelt]

guys, do i go FB in raid even tho I'm still with S2 4P ? playing KiR btw

[gaunt phoenix]

for at least the ST bosses yes

[wintry solar]

accidentally ran FB in flood

ngl I like the adr cdr

[hybrid crown]

I managed 7.99 m overall in a priory yesterday

Whatever assa is doing is whatever because that seems plenty on its own. Outlaw is still the best pug key spec

[wintry solar]

I dont have 4pc it was just that good a run ig

3pc is pretty much 4pc. They should just give it to me

[violet ferry]

75% is a passing grade

[wintry solar]

see? Alpha gets it

[violet ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/step-brothers-i-get-it-brennan-gif-24350017

[wintry solar]

I imagine 4pc is possible though yeah?

if your guild loves you enough?

[willow portal]

wtf am i supposed to do on dimensius

i am doing dog damage

[hybrid crown]

You only need 1 tier piece from raid if you got one from vault

[wintry solar]

I got the 1600 in pvp charge, vault, and one from raid

[hybrid crown]

I could get mine but I wanna save my catalyst

[wintry solar]

I shouldve saved mine tbh

[willow portal]

and second catalyst right

[hybrid crown]

I used one charge but IDC the 2 piece was nice to have

In raid

[wintry solar]

is there a second?

[buoyant cosmos]

The one tier list he saw said "assa big" and he'll believe that until nexst patch

[worthy elm]

im sittil on ... some lowish ilvl old 4p... and 2 cata charges..

[willow portal]

well the normal one and the achievement one

• raid + vcault is then 4set

[wintry solar]

oh snap I need a new peice of gear asap

[buoyant cosmos]

2k io = cata charge

[wintry solar]

I didnt know we had one by default

I just went straight to pvp and got the charge

[buoyant cosmos]

1800?

[wintry solar]

1600

[buoyant cosmos]

oh 16

you should get the 1950 enchant

looks sweet

[wintry solar]

its like, 4 shuffle games

I may

[buoyant cosmos]

Most of the recolors of this set look good too

[wintry solar]

im planning on pushing as outlaw so that im the only undead outlaw on murlok

[buoyant cosmos]

I hope you never get CC'd during KS

[wintry solar]

im about 50 games in in total and ive had about 3 go off completely

as much as I love outlaw in pve, in pvp its an absolute nightmare but its my absollute nightmare

know what I mean?

[buoyant cosmos]

The sleep demon you know

[wintry solar]

I just tried sub in pvp and went "no this is just stupid" and swapped back to outlaw

[buoyant cosmos]

I tried it in 2's with a friend and it was abysmal

[wintry solar]

yeah its rough

outlaw only good with coms

[buoyant cosmos]

He was on an undergeared fire mage at the time

Pulling teeth lol

[wintry solar]

that'll do it

its funny though

because if you have your target all by himself and you dont get interrupted, its borderline OP

but the moment a second target gets close, it becomes useless

[buoyant cosmos]

I've been doing IoC to try and finish the meta and it absolutely bangs in a team fight.

[wintry solar]

nobodies healthbar moves

may it continue to do so

im glad youre getting good use out of it. Lord knows im not lol

[civic zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm 1-8 queuing as horde in NA

it's torture, I can't swap to alliance queues with the NPC either

[stuck sparrow]

H R D E

[buoyant cosmos]

"lets go hangar"

"lets team fight on the hill"

Oh they capped

[stuck sparrow]

people play horde in 2025.

only good race is orcs

[wintry solar]

if WoW had a TDM horde would win 100-1. But throw in an objective and everyones IQ drops to 40

[desert tendon]

[white marten]

Horde in 2025 is wild

[stuck sparrow]

You guys can't even build a road out of concrete.

[desert tendon]

back in my days, horde was the best at bg

[wintry solar]

too busy burning down trees

[buoyant cosmos]

Zug Zug made real

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah i mean you have orcs

high elves from temu

night elves from temu

short jersey green boys

reject trolls that got their asses kicked x20

cows

[wintry solar]

the fact people play the same faction that has to hear the opinions of human ret mains BY CHOICE

is crazy

you couldnt pay me

[stuck sparrow]

is that worse than male belf ret mains

i feel its equally offensive

[buoyant cosmos]

much

[wintry solar]

we have the most chill race though

[stuck sparrow]

also somehow has temu night elf

nightborne

[wintry solar]

theyre if nightelves werent hippies

ive never met a a race of players as chill as taurens

[stuck sparrow]

idk male tauren resto druid

is a recipe for int

[wintry solar]

every tauren shammy is my buddy by default

like how every mage is an op

tauren mages are on thin fuckin ice

I havent seen one yet

[waxen scarab]

how do u guys open on last boss?

[gaunt phoenix]

same as normal but u lose 4s of subterfuge

[covert kestrel]

cry in the guild discord about how unfriendly this opener is for us

[tight kernel]

zac playing assa in raid

[buoyant cosmos]

"first and second boss 1 bang" -zac

[worthy thunder]

!log

[tight kernel]

he killed it but as assa. Traitor

[buoyant cosmos]

oh just now?

[tight kernel]

ye

[buoyant cosmos]

gz

no antenna, why live

[strong halo]

Is outlaw really that bad on 2nd boss?

Down time between webs I guess

[fresh frost]

how do you use the p4 honestly ? coup de grace on cd ?

[timid idol]

this will always be funny

all my friends ask me wtf is blade flurry and why does my damage spread look like that

[strong halo]

Dispatch more noob

[timid idol]

i trolled hard this dung

usually its way higher

[covert kestrel]

same way as you used to, but build for the second coup but dont spend any wasteful UB procs (aka either cast PS or BF or AR to generate the CP not SS)

[fresh frost]

y thats what i've been doin but i felt kinda weird ngl

[remote pecan]

wtb a dimensius model changer to remove his hands

[civic zephyr]

should i use a 704 wep or keep the nightfall mace still

[cedar kernel]

gm

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

peep that dagger cuh

[waxen scarab]

and how is normal pull

[cedar kernel]

how do we get a 704 wep?

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound macro > rtb > bte > ..

[wintry solar]

hi Bac!

[quaint mauve]

popo doesn’t say hi to me anymore

he just calls
me shit and a sin player

[keen belfry]

@ripe ibex

[lime lake]

kinda based

[ocean parcel]

I know it can't be, but I wish it was still attributed to the main dmg source

[strong halo]

!sims

[ornate heath]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/just-the-way-god-intended-jaymes-mansfield-rupaul’s-drag-race-all-stars-s8e5-as-god-intended-gif-1831338948948282360

[wintry solar]

you were red and in pvp

[buoyant cosmos]

I can't wait for more of this later in the season

[wintry solar]

how was I suppose to know you werent playing assa?

also I didnt say you were bad

everyone has their weakness

[quaint mauve]

no popo i understand

they typa person you are now

[balmy topaz]

I FUCKIN HATE

THIS SHIT

BRO

SO GLAD

[buoyant cosmos]

When they get nerfed on tuesday we'll be free and clear

[wintry solar]

im not a mean boy :[

[buoyant cosmos]

What key was it?

[wintry solar]

first

[balmy topaz]

o

Floodgate

[buoyant cosmos]

We bang in flood

he's wack

[balmy topaz]

Bro idk

[timid idol]

ye same lol

[balmy topaz]

I just get fed up

But I refuse to play period assa

[white marten]

Tbh bleed build kinda fun

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-gif-9601382266643672112

[buoyant cosmos]

the rot spreads

[quaint mauve]

10 apm

no cap

[willow portal]

do i really need some god rolls to get a high parse?

[buoyant cosmos]

week 1 parsing

[covert kestrel]

a 99-100? maybe? over 90? no just git gud

[haughty galleon]

is playing outlaw without 19% haste a terrible idea? got around 11 currently . another thign i noticed that outside of ar and with no bf getting combo pooints feels arse compared to the previous talent build used

[willow portal]

faq says not below 19

*18

[quaint mauve]

if ur playing KiR 19 is mandatory

[wintry solar]

playing 1fth at 15% like God intended

[frail veldt]

Which build

[wintry solar]

HO without Supercharger is just meh

[haughty galleon]

so can i still use the prev build with the new tier set? or arse?

[midnight widget]

is there a spreadsheet that shows dps gained for new tier sets?

[haughty galleon]

the ho from last season

[frail veldt]

11% is low if youre running gs and non vigor

[hallow spoke]

ayyy

[frail veldt]

youre def losing some dps over running closer to 16/18%

[wintry solar]

ayyy gg

[proven ocean]

cheating..

loomithar easy zac?

or

[quaint mauve]

how get

[glossy pewter]

https://wago.io/gNf0y7O9P is there an easy way to just rip the text from this WA and added it to one of my cluster, I don't need the whole icon and CD tracker but I'd like to track the current charges on my KS icon or my escalating blade aura

[hallow spoke]

hc last boss

[compact narwhal]

@proven ocean the cig while blasting actually goated, need to try it

[heavy shadow]

Is there like a go to gem list to max the benefit of Cumulating Blasphemite?

[wintry solar]

not being able to grapple shit like this is the most rage inducing crap ever

[covert kestrel]

its not really a big deal, usually gems are more important on the secondaties you want / need but you can sim for it

[lament flume]

!FUU

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[heavy shadow]

Sorry if it's a stupid question but how? It doesn't let you select all the gems

[gaunt phoenix]

just run these gems

Every time

[heavy shadow]

Ah okay easy as that then, and I guess just any spare and haste/vers if you need haste, otherwise vers crit?

[vivid vessel]

12 pulls

but we have very low gear

cause we dont craft week 1

[gaunt phoenix]

Well raidbots will decide what should be the spare here

[wintry solar]

is fungal folly bugged? The 3rd pylon to repair isnt spawning.

[cedar kernel]

i need a tset to push

i think i have to buy one in gold if i am unlucky

[wintry solar]

relogged. I got it

[heavy shadow]

Also, is there a best belt titan disc for ST / raid?

[balmy topaz]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

haha

[buoyant cosmos]

monksea knows ball

physcomp meta

[leaden hazel]

quick question: for salhadaar, you go fatebound or trickster (owning 4p) +

[heavy shadow]

Is there some reason why the sim asks me to move gems to other slots, when they are already there? e.g. the culmunating blasp

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1bHCdV8uce6K18b1GMWX7r

[stiff vector]

[gaunt phoenix]

no reason, it just defaults the agility gem to head piece

[heavy shadow]

ah, so ignore then

or you know, spend a few k to satisfy OCD

[red zinc]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[worthy thunder]

Last boss can suck a dick

[vivid vessel]

fr

[worthy thunder]

Id rather shit in my hands and clap than do that again

[wintry solar]

rework outlaw (fix killing spree)

[cedar kernel]

oh no

[strong halo]

For hard mode tav

can i just hook the mail room?

[untold yarrow]

Why is Zac in my guild

[cedar kernel]

i finish normal and LFG 1-3 Boss

but no damn tset

gg

not even dropping

[untold yarrow]

Why is there a guy in my guild called Uglygooner - and why is he timing 15s already

[frail veldt]

same

bac

same

[strong halo]

Hardmode Tav, do can you just use grappling hooks with bombs?

[untold yarrow]

@frail veldt u play warrior?

[strong halo]

or do i need to cloack of shadows

[frail veldt]

only piece of loot ive gotten for normal and heroic so far has been a dagger

[frail veldt]

long time ago but not in a while

[cedar kernel]

mewo i doomed

[untold yarrow]

I thought u were the guy from my guild @frail veldt

[frail veldt]

it is what it is

[cedar kernel]

12+ cant even get into it

[strong halo]

anyone know?

[frail veldt]

nah im a rogue main and sometimes priest player

[cedar kernel]

shadow or dis

[untold yarrow]

fr tho

bleed build is kinda fun

and more fast paced than regular assa

but ST 💀

[craggy barn]

hmmm

warpclaw or netherprism

[vivid vessel]

thats uglybaby

[compact olive]

we get catalyst on reset?

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel did u use hoook in mail room for hard mode?

[vivid vessel]

i played outlaw fb

and just

did as many as i can

with double hook

[candid wasp]

fatebound in m+?

is that the tech

[craggy barn]

not m+

[lime lake]

hard mode

[craggy barn]

this was taz hard\

[lime lake]

so he just swapped before boss

[craggy barn]

mode

[candid wasp]

oh I see

word

[craggy barn]

zac thoughts on warpclaw in m+?

[candid wasp]

outlaw st feels so terrible 😔

[vivid vessel]

ye its good

[craggy barn]

would u use over netherprism?

[vivid vessel]

rn i am

[sullen wyvern]

does outlaw ST get much better with new 4p?

[keen belfry]

i want prism

[bright ferry]

Hey, I played HO for many years but never touched KIR. As a matter of fact, it feels very unnatural for me to not touch ambush. So basically, asides from the dice rules, I'm acting like I don't have Ambush during my subterfuge windows... and press SS..?

[untold yarrow]

who

[vivid vessel]

uglybaby

[inland acorn]

Yes unbind ambush

[vivid vessel]

sorry

@untold yarrow

[bright ferry]

heresyyyy

[vivid vessel]

ITS UGLYBABY

[inland acorn]

Zac

How much fps do you get on dimensius ?

[vivid vessel]

2

[craggy barn]

hmm i guess prism over lily

in keys

zac ur m+ trackre thing isnt up to date gdi

[vivid vessel]

[craggy barn]

[untold yarrow]

the only good thing about outlaw

is this disc

tbh

[vivid vessel]

update it yourself noob

[lime lake]

[wintry solar]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[livid kindle]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent magnet]

Would anyone be willing to look at a single Plexus Sentinel kill log and see what I am doing wrong? Parsed 25 with an 99.73% active.. -_-

[gaunt phoenix]

sure

[potent magnet]

Thanks!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8nR2QNLKXjCPbz6a?fight=21&type=damage-done

[quaint sable]

Aah u played trickster in st

[gaunt phoenix]

your build

you are playing an M+ build

this does terrible in ST

you should be Fatebound

[potent magnet]

Ah actually I think I figured that out, at 2nd boss. 😄

[quaint sable]

U also ambush while playing KiR

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah KIR build does not press ambush at all

[potent magnet]

No ambust. Gotcha.

[ember goblet]

to get nightfall mace thats a weekly right not a daily?

[quaint sable]

And did u KS during ur first subt window? Or did u not start in stealth

[gaunt phoenix]

it was stealth

yeah your opener is all wacked up

[quaint sable]

AR after first subt too wow

[gaunt phoenix]

you should open with adrenaline rush + ghostly strike + roll the bones into Between the eyes

and then do not press killing spree until the first stealth window is over

[fair charm]

do i put SS on my stealth bar in palce of ambush? I realize i should open with GS but that isnt always up... do i just press SS when nothign else is up instead of ambush?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah you SS

[fair charm]

k, new to me, but im gonna try it

[potent magnet]

AR is not on GCD is it? So I can macro the opener?

[gaunt phoenix]

when you need to build combo points

this build chooses between SS and pistol shot procs based on current CPs and buffs

The #outlaw-faq explains it

[fair charm]

oh that makese sense, we are using SS procs instead of ambush procs

[ripe ibex]

do not macro anything on outlaw

[potent magnet]

Omg, I didnt even see that. Thanks Solo and Iker. Imma read it all up.

[fair charm]

toilet reading for later 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean the raid opener and can be macro'd

actually Fatebound wants to use a macro for bug abuse

/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike

[ripe ibex]

okay otherthan that

[cedar kernel]

me using bug in raid

[quaint sable]

can macro gs to ss/ps but its slightly better not to

[gaunt phoenix]

btw on this boss intermission

you can cloak and grapple to the end immediately

[fair charm]

can we macro roll the bones with AR/GS since they both arent on the GCD?

[potent magnet]

Haha nice.

[gaunt phoenix]

Rtb is on the gcd

[quaint sable]

He means since ar and gs arent

for the fatebound opener macro

[gaunt phoenix]

yea you can

[desert tendon]

wtf bug abuser reported D:

[cedar kernel]

💀

[gleaming lagoon]

Very dissapointed in you 🥺

[devout smelt]

What does this do?

[glass yew]

Extra coins

[mossy kelp]

Hi everyone, I've been playing Outlaw since the end of Season 1 and I love this class. But since the start of Season 3, I've been really struggling to get decent single-target DPS. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong... Am I the only one in this situation? (I don't raid, it's just for the M+)

[tight kernel]

Who got the grappling hook WA for ara

[bright crane]

Trickster ST is poopoo

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel dailo died

i never died tho

[vivid vessel]

wtf

from what

[proven ocean]

dragon boss he ate a fire swirly

fuck my asshole

[vivid vessel]

i see

unlucky

[proven ocean]

ye

its omega easy tho ngl

[gaunt phoenix]

i love interrupting ks to kir

[proven ocean]

like

[vivid vessel]

next week we have a new strrat

[proven ocean]

i know i cant die ever

in this

[vivid vessel]

tbf

you should have pressed kir before

sometimes i do that but its skill issue only

[proven ocean]

zac — 2:07 AM
tbf
you should have pressed kir before

[vivid vessel]

so im not that mad

about it

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean

next week

we hacve xhan

go elem

[cosmic viper]

hey guys which disc for m+?

[vivid vessel]

for some bosses

and we just one shot every boss

under 30s

[proven ocean]

which ones

[vivid vessel]

like mailroom, last boss street

dragon i think

ye

these 3 at least

[proven ocean]

last boss no healer?

u sure?

[vivid vessel]

last boss street

[proven ocean]

ah

ye

true

i agree

[vivid vessel]

i think first boss gambit also is doable

[proven ocean]

but dragon no healer is slightly risky

no dispell

[vivid vessel]

eh

i think you legit

nuke it

under 30s

bro

with an additional dps

• the new gear

[proven ocean]

probably

[vivid vessel]

like

no way

like last week

well this week

i was doing like so much damage

[proven ocean]

ye this boss i nuked his ass

the add didnt even cast 2nd or 3rd cast

lol

i just prestacked full cp full supercharger

and sent him home

[vivid vessel]

peep my opeener on last boss

after like 30s

was crazy bro

sub is so funny

[cedar kernel]

isnt 3 melee is too crowdy?

[vivid vessel]

no

[cedar kernel]

i should try to get somekind of group like this next time

i would like 1 hunter there bc i think a little bit crowdy

and monk is very rare

[proven ocean]

it is crowdy if ur new to being a melee player

[cedar kernel]

idk pug people just split everywhere i stand with tank most of the time

yea but this season is good for melee

[desert tendon]

and after 70s how was it looking?

[vivid vessel]

i end the boss like

so much above everyone

its just so op censi

[bright crane]

“I’m an outlaw one trick”

Why’d you lie to us…

[desert tendon]

i really left when rogue was strong and seemed fun, unlucky

i hope it will also be the case last season of midnight if i ever come back

[quaint mauve]

first key of the day dawnbreaker bug

where we couldnt fly

[frail veldt]

rogue was not fun last season

[cedar kernel]

lets see

[desert tendon]

that s why i quitted last season too much bugs, not enough tuning, lot of stuff to complain

[frail veldt]

KS ruined hte spec last season

genuinely

[desert tendon]

last season was the only season ever when not only i didnt mained outlaw after prog, but i didnt spec intro outlaw ONCE

i prefered to watch zac and unfortunate dying to ks in keys

[frail veldt]

it was just so so so so bad

[fresh frost]

the new p4 is so bad to play wttf

[cedar kernel]

i just left

[desert tendon]

what s the new tier set? I dont even know

[frail veldt]

the set bonus?

[cedar kernel]

playing other games then gg

[frail veldt]

double coup

or hella coins

[fresh frost]

double coup

[frail veldt]

theyre both fine

[desert tendon]

oh yea

[fresh frost]

its so lame to play

[desert tendon]

they made a bug into a tier set, i heard that

[frail veldt]

its not great but its not like bad

whats making it feel lame to you?

[feral glen]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[fresh frost]

the fact that you have to press it back to back 80% of time

while not building cp before or after

just double rpess coup

[devout smelt]

I would take old ks back to have s2 tier set back ngl

[frail veldt]

whats making you press it back to back?

[gaunt phoenix]

the rule?

[frail veldt]

bro....

[fresh frost]

the set effect

[frail veldt]

oh yeah cuz wasted UB makes sense

I was hoping it would usually result in building between

[fresh frost]

well apparently its not worth

[frail veldt]

but yeah im not a fan of having MORE stuff to do outside of crackshot that delay getting to vanish

[fresh frost]

so you just press it twice

[frail veldt]

thats my main issue with it that I dont like

I want to be crackshotting

[fresh frost]

and you loose the fact of having all your rtb buff all the times with the last 4p

[cedar kernel]

thats hurt

[quaint sable]

Still crazy they didnt make Escalating stack to 8 or just have unseen not get spent when at 4 escalating]

[frail veldt]

yeah I def prefer old 4pc

but not so much that I would want old KS and old 4pc

hahahaha

[devout smelt]

HO + s2 4p was peak outlaw for me

[haughty wigeon]

Default buff: +15% damage, +10% crit.
New Talent: “Loaded Dice” lets degenerates keep gambling for extra effects.
If community asks, we’ll just say: “We want to preserve the pirate fantasy.”

[frail veldt]

any outlaw build that had old KS is F tier for me

[devout smelt]

Save cloak for ks fuck ups and I never died to it

[frail veldt]

if only KS didnt have a 20s cd

[devout smelt]

Wasn’t fun but I miss the constant 5 buffs

[haughty wigeon]

i mean i liked the old tier

cause i can shut the "rtb has to much rng" people up

with bangers like "press rtb on cd if you dont have 5 buffs"

[frail veldt]

ngl the playstyle right now of the m+ build with old 4pc but new KS is amazing

[desert tendon]

any build that s not ryu is S tier to me

[cedar kernel]

lets have fuck

oh wait

fun*

[devout smelt]

I wish they made a talent with the increased roll chance from s2 tier

[wintry solar]

is there a min CP to spend when pressing KS?

[desert tendon]

wtf.????

[proven ocean]

what the helly

[vivid vessel]

??

[desert tendon]

Bac is losing his mind i think

[wintry solar]

banger quote by Bac

[desert tendon]

yea i m keeping that in my files

i ll use it wisely

[frail veldt]

well thats what sleight is right?

you could run sleight with the new tier

youll just lose dps haha

[devout smelt]

Yeah but I mean the combo

So that it’s not trolling

[worthy thunder]

!log

[worthy thunder]

If anyone could provide some pointers on how to improve after tonight’s raid that would be amazing.

[devout smelt]

But now every so often I have to press SS 4 times in subterfuge and it makes me want to uninstall

[wintry solar]

to me its every other crackshot window

[normal forge]

so, with 2p what is the best cleave aoe? the KIR with fatebound or what?

[flat epoch]

!prepull

[wintry solar]

does anyone know?

[frail veldt]

6?

I think the reasons to send KS at low cps are gone

[devout smelt]

Yeah I think it’s just normal finisher rule

[wintry solar]

oh nice

ty

[hasty warren]

i'd say 5/6

5 migh be troll

[fresh frost]

xd i just sim the new 4p and the old 4p with all my stuff itq the same result

[devout smelt]

Did you change sleight to loaded dice for new 4p sim

[fresh frost]

y

but u remind me to re put it for the ancient one

new

old

kek

[gaunt phoenix]

i think the loaded dice/sleight is backwards

you used sleight with new tier

[fresh frost]

and if i put loaded dice on the old one

litteraly the same dps

[devout smelt]

Well you’re gonna have to swap to new one eventually so might as well do it now and start practicing new playstyle

[gaunt phoenix]

but new tier should use loaded dice and the old tier should not

[fresh frost]

y i know but ddin't know you loose dmg switchin old 4p for the new one (the new one have 10-15+ilvl)

[cedar kernel]

i had a good time

brothers

[stiff vector]

Is running brewmaster+prot warr some new Chinese comp tech? Pretty good dmg for tanks

[cedar kernel]

i have no idea how could this happening bro, like i just saw him doing very cringe dmg but u know since we time it then all g

he did his best

bc at the second pull tank make it very huge, like very very huge and the mobs keep recovering cost a lots of time

[stiff vector]

worth the 5% buff for your own dam

[cedar kernel]

like after that pull i said

u make it too huge

but he just like "u want to make more dmg right so i made it huge" but i said "dude i am just a 8 target spec"

no matter how huge the pull u make for me i just can hit 8 targets

[cedar bone]

hey guys i was gone since S2 DF - we dont run daggers in offhand anymore?

[gaunt phoenix]

you do

but its about the same as a generic weapon

[cedar bone]

solo you still here

still my goat

[vivid vessel]

fuck solo

[cedar bone]

ok thx! so i can take whatever for the start ye?

[desert tendon]

fuck zac

dont talk bad about solo

take it back 😠

[vapid blaze]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[left lily]

!guide

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[cedar kernel]

support

dont hurt solo

[hasty warren]

on streets, who have to do the market ? My last tank said it was to the healer to do it but I was disco, even if they're no real heal needed I'm turbo slow it's horrible

[cedar kernel]

i just found it like if i forgot to switch poison back, i will be very low dmg in ST

[ripe ibex]

hey solo can you coach my simming

[cedar kernel]

i think u can send in #TC-outlaw

[hasty warren]

sim or log ?

[floral compass]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

bro i wanna play nexus king so bad

the boss is so sick

unfortunate outlaw is gonna be bad on it

cause holy shit

[lime lake]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

it would go crazy as outlaw

[hasty warren]

this boss looks so cool

[lime lake]

yeah its sick

[buoyant cosmos]

phys comp has been fun lately

[void monolith]

Hey guys

I have a question about KiR FB Outlaw Rogue. I've been playing since S2 with Trickster KiR (for m+) and never had issue with Energy regen. I tried raid with FB talents and noticed I dont have enough energy regen my haste is at 20%. So I wondered if this is normal or just me playing bad

[west saffron]

should i be using this option with the new set ? (Muropaketti's Roll the Bones WA)

[cedar kernel]

omg thats tough

we fail the key

healer die too often

gg

[hasty warren]

[proper bear]

@gaunt phoenix
Does this:
"Hold :vanish: Vanish if Killing Spree's cooldown is under 20s or so, so you can use KS first to not waste cooldown reduction during stealth.
Also hold :vanish: Vanish until shortly after the double Coup de Grace is used, so you have >10 :trickster_flawlessform: Flawless Form stacks going into stealth."

mean Vanish if KS > 20s KS CD and >10x Flawless form
or mean Vanish if KS > 20 KS CD or >10x Flawless form

[gaunt phoenix]

and

[proper bear]

my hero

[stiff vector]

praise blozar...I can finally acquire 4p

lost the heroic prism tho, so my trinkets are still down bad

[cedar kernel]

if i have new 4p

this cat will be nothing

i could slain him

he gots very good gear but we are balanced

high ilvl player slainer bac

he cheer me up

[stiff vector]

i had no monk buff and no 4p on heroic frac so sad casually missing giga dmg

[cedar kernel]

i am just doing my key and only get phys team rn

i am still using 2+2

god didnt bless me

he might cursed me i think

he died 4 times make us gg

[unkempt smelt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[cedar kernel]

sad

Die-wakeup-Die-Bres-Die

[mint summit]

guys!

In your opinion is better sacbrood ( champ ) or empowerd cristyal ( hero )

i suffer i lot for dps, in m+ but above all in raid

i'm trying a lot of combination, trickster for m+

[cedar kernel]

hmm how does ur haste looking like without sac

[mint summit]

18.60 without sac

[cedar kernel]

bc since they can reach same ilvl at this time

i would recommand sac

it doesnt rly matter bc u will get better trinket in playing and vault

i have crystal but i am just using sac

[mint summit]

and the main fact is that... in raid i do shitty dmg.

and i don't know why

i respect windows dmg

[cedar kernel]

thats rotation more? i guess i cant confirm bc those 2 trinket wont do much

[stiff vector]

ive only got a 678 soulbreakers, have gotten like literally every other trinket champion track from bountifuls but sigil

and have had absolute dogshit luck with raid/m+ trinkets

im 1 bountiful away from lvl 3 delvers journey tho

[cedar kernel]

me and hc have same damn luck

so hmm i would said it might be more rotation issue

than the gear issue

[mint summit]

@cedar kernel

this are my weapons

[cedar kernel]

ur using cudgel in ST?

its not good mate

[mint summit]

in st

i'm using

the s2 681 sword

in offhand

[stiff vector]

I almost beat awangs logs in heroic pugs with no 4p and shit trinkets, must be rotation issue for him

[mint summit]

and still using s2 set, i found it better actually before getting the 4p s3 set

[cedar kernel]

hc is trolling

[stiff vector]

[muted iron]

has anyone been getting micro freezes in the new raid/

idk why that's replied to that

mb

[stiff vector]

Happens at start of every new raid tbh

Servers usually just stressed

[muted iron]

eh never usually been this bad tho, especially not when I've got the 9800x3d

like legit freezes and then textures load back in slowly lol

[stiff vector]

I remember it was really bad start of amirdrasil

I’ve got a 5800x3d haven’t had much issue this tier so far

[torpid fiber]

people always say elvui fucks your fps but I use elvui and I haven't had issues (I don't hit 144fps in raid, but it stays above 60fps and that's basically all that matters imo)

[muted iron]

yeah i mean i've got 190fps in the raid

i just freeze up lol

[torpid fiber]

I always hear about that happening, so I assume you're not alone

[stiff vector]

I stopped using elvui tbh no real need to and not worth any frame drops

Depends on the fight and how many ppl in raid but I usually get at least 100

[torpid fiber]

I just cba to set up my ui again

[stiff vector]

I just use suf now and some other addons or WAs to replace elvui functionality tbh don’t miss it at all

Bunch of new hot fixes just got pushed for retail for tm

Surely fixing some rogue bugs l

[wintry solar]

I just seen what theyre announcing at the midnight reveal tomorrow

its so over

the combat andies won

revealing strike go brrrr

[stiff vector]

Very high degree of veracity if popo says it

[mint summit]

Sorry for bothering, any1 knows if there is a macro viable for swapping weapons from aoe to single target?

[fathom bramble]

revealing strike is secretly already in the game

[stiff vector]

Ghostly?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

although ghostly has changed useage A LOT since legion

it was basically just revealing strike initially

[stiff vector]

Yea

Now ghostly is just a shitty energy hog capstone

[fathom bramble]

Ghostly should cost no energy, generate 3 combo points, and be back on the gcd

[fathom bramble]

and have 2 charges

everything should have 2 charges

[wintry solar]

Is this directed towards me?

[stiff vector]

Based lok as always

[hasty warren]

#outlaw message

[glass mortar]

no, keep it off the gcd

[wintry solar]

Where do you get these videos?

[glass mortar]

keeps the apm and ogcd cp is so fun as law

[fair oak]

Yoink them from other discords and friends

[fathom bramble]

maybe it can stay off gcd, but only if it has 2 charges

[glass mortar]

ye

[fathom bramble]

it's too easy for a spell like this to just be in macro territory when it is 1 charge

[fair oak]

And then I post cats in outlaw chat

So I can forget that fireball in a 15 priory hit me for 13m through feint

🧘‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

i mean

[hasty warren]

[vivid vessel]

if it generate meaningful cp

it cant be macroed

charges on everything tho i agree !

[fair oak]

2 charges of tomelvis

[hasty warren]

2 charge adr

[fair oak]

2 charge ks

[hasty warren]

2 charge kir

[fair oak]

Spend 6 seconds just shooting

2 charge cheat...

[glass mortar]

if we had 2 charges of kspree we could chain them

[fathom bramble]

remember when cheat was a 90 second CD

[glass mortar]

10 seconds of shooting

[fathom bramble]

and you basically couldn't die on rogue in raid

[glass mortar]

[hasty warren]

wtf

[wintry solar]

2 charges of evasion

[torpid fiber]

That's before my time, wtf

They should bring that back

[wintry solar]

It's part of why rogues are so hated today

[hasty warren]

when was this ? combat rogue era ?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

people were using it for solo soaking a ton of stuff

and it got increased to 2 minutes

and then sent straight to 6

[hasty warren]

btw when was outlaw added ? légion ?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[fathom bramble]

yes

[hasty warren]

so mop was still combat

[wintry solar]

If the next CP generating ability isn't mfd I'm rioting

[fathom bramble]

and probably when combat was most played and remembered

since it was actually strong in mop

[torpid fiber]

Sinister Strike 2

[hasty warren]

mfd mu beloved