yes chicken soup go
#outlaw
cedar kernel
frail veldt
Yeah that's sad
covert heart
timed a 13 halls shit was rough
torpid fiber
we got 10 rwf pulls as outlaw, thats our quote for the next expansion used up
hasty warren
we got 10 rwf pulls as outlaw, thats our quote for the next expansion used up
is it more than furry ?
buoyant cosmos
Yeah that's sad
Probably free pc
Peripherals
Travel if they want
Absolutely tragic
torpid fiber
is it more than furry ?
fury got played on broodtwister for more pulls than we have this expac total afaik
real gulch
dear god t11s take forever
hallow spoke
Is sin rly that much better on 3 target? idk
torpid fiber
Is sin rly that much better on 3 target? idk
likely also just meaningfully easier to play over an extended period tbf
frail veldt
Is sin rly that much better on 3 target? idk
It's better on all target lol
hallow spoke
I thought outlaw was actually simming really well and KIR always under sims. appreciate the execution part
glass mortar
did the elemental embellishment always scale with ilvl
hasty warren
fury got played on broodtwister for more pulls than we have this expac total afa...
nerf furry
torpid fiber
I thought outlaw was actually simming really well and KIR always under sims. app...
KIR "under sims" was mostly a concept where people were saying that dslice for KIR vs HO wasn't accurately capturing their experiences due to dslice not being the same target profile as their keys afaik
frail veldt
I thought outlaw was actually simming really well and KIR always under sims. app...
KiR def doesn't undersim
It sims accurate to the environment it's in
And on st that is 100% uptime
So in general outlaw "over sims" on st compared to results
Also outlaw loses more dps than most specs from doit mechanics/having downtime
So even when outlaw is one of the highest simming specs it isn't dominating logs
vivid vessel
!up
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cedar kernel
!ambush
ornate heathBOT
It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.
thin fiber
!gear
ornate heathBOT
dense ruin
dagger drop from H salad big Ws
undone notch
I still can’t believe the shadow cudgel is this bonkers
white marten
Should i be holding on to KiR if im not getting 4 buffs? Sometimes i feel like my rng is garbo and hold on to it for too long
gaunt phoenix
you can send it at like 3 buffs with a broadside
white marten
Ah okay
hasty warren
br + tb + rp is realy good to kir
light dune
question about netherprism conditionals, we mainly use it with 4+ buffs into vanish?
Is netherprism being active a conditional for vanish on its own? Like the 2nd vanish do you send while the trink buff is active, even if it doesnt align necessarily with hero talent conditionals?
Is there any optimizations from waiting even with 4+ buffs to pair it with hero talent vanish conditionals like RP / Flawless stacks? Or does having 4 buff + netherprism constitute a vanish condition on its own
hasty warren
what i do is : if i have 3 buff and 2 are br/rp/tb I wait for cto proc to kir, and if the 3 buff are not the best I just reroll them asap
idk if it's best way to play but it seems ok for me
quaint mauve
guys
i fixed my uptime issue…
u wouldn’t believe how dumb i am
and why i was so inconsistent
covert kestrel
was it because you changed to red name
quaint mauve
was it because you changed to red name
i wasn’t tracking my ub
and just sending shit
😕
idk if this is placebo effect
but my uptimes good today
hasty warren
isn't it min-max ?
quaint mauve
isn't it min-max ?
was sending bad vanishes bc i wasn’t tracking ub
hasty warren
i mean it's not that terrible no ?
torpid fiber
I don't think ub is a vanish condition is it?
quaint mauve
I don't think ub is a vanish condition is it?
coup
hasty warren
it's like <5% lost if I remember well
torpid fiber
Yeah if you have coup obviously don't vanish
But if you don't have coup you still vanish even with ub stacks
hasty warren
u dont want to waste ub
hasty warren
but I think it's ok most the time
torpid fiber
I'm pretty sure APL vanishes at 3 stacks and a ub ss proc but I'd have to check
Yeah sleep is the diff
Means you'll make less mistakes
torpid fiber
Yeah sleep is broken as fuck
hasty warren
outlaw is sleep dependant
quaint mauve
96% uptime on eco dome
torpid fiber
sleep is unreal dps gain
quaint mauve
yesterday i did 89%
quaint mauve
I might do sht on street
i dont wanna talk abt streets
keep that name away from me
only good boss is last idc
strong halo
Is there any point in rushing tavaresh this week vs waiting next week with better gear
If you’re not racing mythic raid I guess
torpid fiber
you get 1 try per week so would help to learn mechs
torpid fiber
Is it?
let me check
I was under the impression that they're both 1/week restrictions
strong halo
I have no idea
So once a week you can get mythic loot from the challenge that’s crazy
cinder relic
Is there any point in rushing tavaresh this week vs waiting next week with bette...
So if you do it this week you get a mythic piece of gear
and then enxt week u can get another pice of mythic gear
leaden sonnet
One attempt every week
junior coral
!WA
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Utilities:
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Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
fair oak
shoutout ks damage taken weakaura
fair oak
!!!
vivid vessel
ye thats me cuh
gaunt phoenix
Idk if there are adds up during the burn
maybe skip ks if you have good rolls going
vivid vessel
good ability
cant wait for the rework
solo
when i do keys
and we take funnel into boss
and i cancel bf
and then
i have to cast ks
im like
do i even cast ks
cuh
gaunt phoenix
fathom bramble
these funnel pulls are just
vivid vessel
-35% st
fathom bramble
not it
vivid vessel
all is good
fathom bramble
play funnel class or else
vivid vessel
im not even talking about funnel pulls just
cedar kernel
funnel
cedar kernel
remind me of the 9.0 sub
vivid vessel
thats the meta now
in big 2025
you pull on every boss
funnel
free
gg
outlaw cancel bf
tight kernel
and i cancel bf
was gonna ask u, u cancel bf and never recast when pulling funnel for zeros right?
tight kernel
I was playing with assa and I felt gross
vivid vessel
ye
tight kernel
ah kk
vivid vessel
i have a cnacel aura bind
and by now im used to it
bf > cancel aura
insta
not a single tick goes off
master gamer
vivid vessel
or if its a big boss i just position away
like first boss eco
i position oposite way
so i dont kill the little adds we take in for funnel
tight kernel
smart but like streets u cant so cancel bf ye
vivid vessel
this also made me realize how much of an outlaw overall is just pure pad
fathom bramble
you pull on every boss
this is kind of what I meant by funnel pulls
vivid vessel
cause now that im not bfing on these
i just do 0 overall
so ye
outlaw legit needs
10% aura buff + bf nerf reverted + pc position changed + ks fixed
- fatebound nuked into oblivion
thats my take
and by ks fixed
I do mean
rework the fucking ability its trash
waiting for midngiht rework fr fr
fathom bramble
trickster tier needs a huge buff
vivid vessel
eh
fathom bramble
but idk what that can even look like when this tier design is so constrained
vivid vessel
trickster tier is similar value to other sets
its trickster itself that needs a huge buff
tight kernel
cause now that im not bfing on these
play fb
tight kernel
bronze wadi
I like the trickster tier but it will never not feel bad that it's just a nerfed version of a bug they removed
fathom bramble
trickster tier is similar value to other sets
yeah your right, idk why I remembered trickster tier being lower than it is
vivid vessel
ye its not
its like 20%
i think fb tier is barely ahead
isnt it
thing is
trickster just got hammered
with the ks cd nerf
and nothing was done to compensate it
litteraly nothing
chilly atlas
they need to consult zac for outlaw changes
fathom bramble
delivered doom should be upsidedown
fathom bramble
Damage dealt when your fatebound coin flips tails is increased by 6% for each nearby enemy
vivid vessel
fb should be funnel tree + st
and trickster just nromal + aoe
like i wouldnt mind if fb was still focused in st if you didnt lose st in aoe
that would be fine
fathom bramble
Fate intertwined: Dispatch critical strikes duplicate 30% of their damage onto your target. This occurs 1 additional time for each additional nearby enemy(does not flurry)
vivid vessel
i think we got fucked over
cause ds was the funnel hero talent already
and they didnt wanna give 2 to assa
so they just gave us this shit
fathom bramble
sometimes it feels like all 3 hero talents should be available to all 3 specs on some classes
vivid vessel
ye
i mean ds would be crazy on outlaw
but also
fuck do i not wanna play ds as outlaw
the debuff thing is just so horrible
craggy barn
did they kill soul with outlaw
fathom bramble
the debuff thing is just so horrible
true
vivid vessel
did they kill soul with outlaw
no lol
craggy barn
damn
craggy barn
same probably
vivid vessel
ye idk
craggy barn
ur speaking to the rank #7 outlaw on heroic fraccy boi
fathom bramble
yeah
craggy barn
god awful
olive marten
its so cool thematically but wtf
vivid vessel
goofy flying again
strong flume
hitbox on the spider boss is ass too
fathom bramble
I'm fully expecting outlaw to be complete shit on it
fathom bramble
the most important boss in the raid
craggy barn
just plan around it pepw
vivid vessel
the whole fight is bad
fathom bramble
cringe damage amps
vivid vessel
idk these fights are silly to me
fathom bramble
mechanics that force you out of melee range for multiple seconds in a row
fathom bramble
forced long downtime
vivid vessel
on every platform
btw
like
you send on plat 1
plat 2
then imediatelly on p3 start
its crazzy
fathom bramble
sustained damage profile woo
craggy barn
soul hunters is so funny
vivid vessel
to try to justify
vivid vessel
sustained damage
craggy barn
awful boss
vivid vessel
on these type of fights
torpid fiber
Dimensius is so ass for outlaw it's crazy
vivid vessel
(90% of end bosses btw)
fathom bramble
even in his own justification of it he pre-supposes that burst specs are busy doing something more important
and you need someone to fill the gap
vivid vessel
even the outlaw boss isnt an outlaw boss
cause going aoe talents
fucks over outlaw
so bad now
that its basically gg
outlaw loses 25?%
craggy barn
he acknowledged that sustained dps hasnt been a huge important profile in recent tiers
craggy barn
but it has had importance before
cinder relic
That's not exactly true
cinder relic
The sub aoe build goes shit like tornado and tea
fathom bramble
but it _has_ had importance before
I guess that was cut off in the clip I saw
craggy barn
he mentions specifically that theres been very few fights where burst is not wanted
vivid vessel
its litteraly true idk why you are trying to pick a bone 
fathom bramble
but he did say sustained damage would have more often than not helped their progression
which feels not real idk
torpid fiber
I feel like if sustained damage isn't higher dps it's like strictly worse no?
torpid fiber
Like you can just stagger cds if you need multiple things dead
random stirrup
the only benefit sustained damage has is that it doesn't require coordination to stagger cds
or if stagger cds griefs your damage so hard that its int
fathom bramble
that's also only real if there is a fight where you need damage at weird times
like if the damage windows are by design already at 2 min 3 min 4min type timers then it just doesn't matter
and the right guy will do it
vivid vessel
and if its not
why dont i just take my hero talent
that makes me into a 1min30 spec
thoughts?
torpid fiber
Yeah it's legit just blizzard doesn't want to have logs looked fucked up bc 20 weeks into the raid outlaw players get 100% uptime on a boss that's gear checked
cinder relic
I'd say for most of vualt not having Cds was a pretty big boon for Outlaw
We played double outlaw the entire tier and it felt just objectively correct to do other than maybe rasz but Outlaw has use on rasz either way
vivid vessel
vault is funny actually
fathom bramble
idk looking back most of the fights in vault it was basically the same as having burst
since it was a ton of good uptime no burst advantages fights
vague cape
boon?
vivid vessel
i think not
vague cape
wasnt it grieftorch
vivid vessel
ah is vault grief
vague cape
ye
vivid vessel
nvm bro ..
fathom bramble
I mean it was both
vivid vessel
i mean
torpid fiber
boon was also vault
vague cape
lmao
fathom bramble
boon if you did keys or whatever
vivid vessel
i rmemeber boon on plateform
vague cape
the dathea trink?
fathom bramble
torch for raid
vague cape
was it called boon?
vivid vessel
on whatever dathea boss
cinder relic
idk looking back most of the fights in vault it was basically the same as having...
Kurog, and diurina it legit felt like an upside
vague cape
boon of the ascended?
vivid vessel
and 2nd to last boss also
toxic laurel
!fuu
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vivid vessel
Me when there is 3 fights in 10 years where outlaw damage profile feels like an upside
But you aren't even sure
Might have been cause it was tuned very high can't know
But maybe
fathom bramble
I'm not sure I agree on Kurog, but I can see how sustained damage definitely made dealing with adds a little simpler on diurna
vivid vessel
cinder relic
I am extremely confident on the fact it was an upside
cinder relic
Start asking for a cooldown idk
fathom bramble
I don't necessarily want a cooldown, I just want some kind of strength that is realistically available on a common raid encounter style
vivid vessel
Or just blizzard have to understand that being a flat line spec is a disadvantage and we should be tuned higher
fathom bramble
in the current state of things we don't even have good passive cleave anymore
vivid vessel
Look at fractilus
100% uptime boss
Why is outlaw
Not even considered
Why is exile playing assa
Why is it that every tier it's the same
Like at best outlaw will do the same st
Ok gg I guess s
cinder relic
I mean look at the council boss
Realistically thats an outlaw fight
But most of the wf rogues aren't practiced on the spec
vivid vessel
Realistically that's an outlaw fight
Ye right
Also exile told me you just get massively fucked over in third intermission
Cause you are linked to people
quaint mauve
every fight is a ranged fight
vivid vessel
And you can't grapple to boss
So you have to walk
With others
Which
Very good for outlaw
fathom bramble
it looked quite bad on his stream
between soaking fractures and intermissions idk if it can actually be strong
quaint mauve
i can’t play this spec in raid
vivid vessel
quaint mauve
my only good parse is on void hunters
vivid vessel
Realistically it's an outlaw fight lok
fathom bramble
maybe still competitive with sin but idk
vivid vessel
They never play outlaw cause they are too bad at it fr f
fathom bramble
it's definitely not cut and dry simply an outlaw fight
vivid vessel
It's an outlaw fight maybe if you are an ultra outlaw gamer on Adderall and even then it might be hard to justify
I will play it as outlaw
I will probably have to justify myself
Cause turn out
fathom bramble
yeah
vivid vessel
It's not an outlaw fight
fathom bramble
everytime I look forward at future bosses it looks less and less like an outlaw tier
I'm of the opinion that it is shaping up to be our worst tier relative to the typically good specs in a very long timee
for prog*
valid wasp
!up
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torpid fiber
dw wcl will say that outlaw is good so no changes will occur
vivid vessel
Who would have known
vivid vessel
I mean
Even feral
Is seeing more plays
Lately feral became a normal spec
The only last 2 cringe specs are outlaw and surv legit
haughty wigeon
nah just outlaw
cause survival has a healthy population rn
feral lives with boomie is in the shitter
but like again
anymelee that shares a class with range, just dies in popularity
vague cape
cause survival has a healthy population rn
idk about healthy population but its design is certainly less cringe than outlaw
and it has genuine niches
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble imagine if you could use finishers during killing spree
Thoughts
Like press a 10 cp ks and press a finisher halfway
Then another at the end
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> imagine if you could use finishers during killing spree
this is what I thought they were going to let us do the first time I read the new KS tooltip
vivid vessel
Ye
lime lake
that would be sick
fathom bramble
I thought it was instant and damage over up to 5 seconds
glass mortar
make it like SCK is again
quaint mauve
is stone idol or warpclaw better in m+
fathom bramble
and then I looked closer at it being channeled
quaint mauve
or both?
gaunt phoenix
stone idol
glass mortar
set cast time that u can use instant melee abilities during
gaunt phoenix
Is the goat
quaint mauve
im running idol and pacemaker rn
fathom bramble
KS fixed duration 5 seconds, range increased to 20 yards, strikes all nearby(in combat) enemies, you can now cast all melee skills at a range of 20 yards while KS is active.
vivid vessel
I didn't know that
vivid vessel
Hm
glass mortar
as long as the ability u press doesnt have a cast time (like FoF or slicing winds)
it doesnt interupt the cast
vivid vessel
Maybe it's why I do 0 damage on ww
Cause I don't press spells during the channel
Oh well
Idc either way
Not a ww player
Ima just play 3 rogues next tier
Fuck that alt bullshit
So cringe
fathom bramble
true
lime lake
fathom bramble
I'm our only main and only alt rogue
vivid vessel
Like I enjoyed having my second rogue it was cool
For splits
I got to play sub and learn timings
Then on main I did outlaw
quaint mauve
Maybe it's why I do 0 damage on ww
ww has been fun for me :p
vivid vessel
But I missed an assa one
torpid fiber
going actual aoe
don't let ww players hear you say they have actual aoe
torpid fiber
Tbf isn't their aoe super harshly scaled so it's still a big gain but way worse than linear
quaint mauve
i do more aoe than outlaw can’t complain
fathom bramble
they have some skills that are just fucked and claim to be aoe
and then don't scale at all
most of their other stuff is normal softcap 5
except the new build that has actual aoe I don't remember what specific thing it is
random stirrup
Ima just play 3 rogues next tier
no wei this guy called me weird for having rogue alts wtf
vivid vessel
Ye cause you actually play them lol
My alts are splits rats
That's all
I don't play them
random stirrup
the assa guy is coming soon
hes level 40
optimal races with no race change?
save gold op?
sudden fulcrum
cinder relic
Buying the ring on champ track is very good rn
Champ track is super cheap, and you probably aren't going to use gilded on rings for a long period of time anyway
By the time u maybe buy a mythic one they will be significantly cheaper
gaunt phoenix
prolly craft a ring next
fathom bramble
or buy a pvp bring and spend no money at all
fathom bramble
I guess
craggy barn
4200 each
lime lake
so pretty close to 4m
wintry solar
or buy a pvp bring and spend no money at all
Untrue, your sanity is your greatest resource.
Outlaw in pvp is lol
lime lake
imagine actually doing pvp instead of just crate farming
wintry solar
Where else do I get my dopamine?
lime lake
could eat some ice cream
wintry solar
1v1 wpvp is actually Outlaws niche btw
Bought some today actually
Vanilla
It's going to be a base for a recipe I have.
marble meteor
@gaunt phoenix I assume you meant Soulbreaker's Sigil not Soulbinder's Sigil
elder phoenix
why would you buy a ring that you cant upgrade
when you can craft a 720 ring
HUH
cinder relic
because spending that many guilded on a ring is probably not the best
hallow spoke
Ye likely using the free runed to craft 704 ring
worthy elm
not a bad idea, i do need to craft a vers/crit ring so the 704 sounds good for that.. i have way to much haste atm
magic shuttle
Dagger+wrist craft goes very nice this tier
civic zephyr
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/illidan/lostyokey my logs so far raiding - if anyone is willing to help me find out where i can improve the most
hollow portal
For those who have never tried lossless scaling in WoW, I can attest that it works excellently, but incredibly well. I have all the graphics at full speed, absolutely all of them, and it leaves me stuck at 144fps. This is the greatest wonder I've ever encountered. The best 6 dollars I've ever spent, I've never seen the smoothness I have on Raid and M+.
harsh mural
hows outlaw feelin rn in m+
covert heart
@vivid vessel i dont know how you did that 16 priory...we did the 14 and it was rough enough haha
lucid sandal
Outlaw feels great imo
I've been gapping so many other people and I don't have tier or a myth weapon
worn sparrow
glossy pewter
how long on KS cd are you waiting to vanish, like if its up in 15 seconds you should wait and KS but how long til that isn't true?
torpid fiber
how long on KS cd are you waiting to vanish, like if its up in 15 seconds you sh...
iirc the number is 20s
cedar kernel
the dmg is so weird
torpid fiber
Unless adr is about to run out or you'd overcap on vanish charges
cedar kernel
like in ST i even cant make dmg
idk if there any one could help, but idk the dmg in st become very very weird
theres issue there bc most of my rotation is right but the dmg just dont move
echo hill
685 ilvl on a priory 11
sullen wyvern
are there areas in so'leah that I am not gonna be able to use hook
anyone encountering this issue?
frail veldt
iirc the number is 20s
Way higher p sure
It was 20-30 last season
But I think now that KS is longer and does more can it's value is higher so you want to be more sure you don't overcap it
I've been doing 45s
torpid fiber
FAQ says "20s or so"
frail veldt
Oh wild
I don't see why you wouldn't do longer now
I haven't messed with apl to see though
As trickster specifically
torpid fiber
My guess is that it's possible making it too long eats vanish uses at the end of the fight
Which is fixable
frail veldt
Yeah
torpid fiber
I'd have to look at the apl to check if it accounted for that
torpid fiber
not if I'm sufficiently unlucky
frail veldt
Lolol tru
torpid fiber
If you wait too long you might struggle with maintaining adr
torpid fiber
more likely for the apl to hit low adr duration with low ks cd or smth, bc you have less combo point flow
torpid fiber
probably
frail veldt
I'll mess with it tomorrow
dawn talon
I don't see why you wouldn't do longer now
you overcap SO MUCH with 30
25 is about the sweetspot imo
like holding at 30s you just overcap on vanishes forever
torpid fiber
the rule is that if you'd overcap on vanish you just send vanish
even if ks cd is low
frail veldt
you overcap SO MUCH with 30
I def never overcap vanishes
And I do 45 lol
But I still have old tier
So I have less coups
willow portal
@gaunt phoenix btw there is a small error in the faq intro
smoky whale
!wa
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glossy pewter
And I do 45 lol
i was just gonna add a glow to my WA when it hits a number on CD, should I play around with it? I thought you large cranium math people were supposed to commune with clankers and tell me what to do
torpid fiber
the trick is that what goes into theorycrafting is a lot of feelycraft and then the robot tells us if the good vibes are real or not
smoky whale
I have a questión, with Fatebound suppostly u can force the heads or tails with a specific ability (like the assa with the deathmark and kingsbane) there's a mechanic like this in outlaw?
torpid fiber
yes
adrenaline rush does it, ghostly strike does it with 2p
and with 2p there's also the bug at the bottom of the message #outlaw message
chilly dagger
timewalking quest has chance for tier? or na
glossy pewter
the trick is that what goes into theorycrafting is a lot of feelycraft and then ...
Alright I have solved it, 45 is too long, 33 seconds is correct because of the 5 minutes i hit a dummy
smoky whale
and with 2p there's also the bug at the bottom of the message https://discord.co...
okay tysm
glossy pewter
pass my message onto the oracles
digital linden
since your supposed to send finisher at 6cp+ outside subterfuge, is it worth to SS at 5 cp? wont that overcap cp? Also is it a dps gain to try and have full opportunity stacks for vanish?
molten topaz
has anyone got a WA that can make more sound when Killing Spree is channeling? I want some massive cannons blasting when I'm channeling
torpid fiber
since your supposed to send finisher at 6cp+ outside subterfuge, is it worth to ...
it is worth it to SS at 5cp, it is not proven to be a gain to save stacks for vanish afaik
trim hound
For those who have never tried lossless scaling in WoW, I can attest that it wor...
is this real?
sullen wyvern
is it normal that SIngle Target Fatebound requires shit ton of haste?
still usiong old tierset though
molten topaz
yeah, you want like 20% haste
sullen wyvern
im already at 20% haste
This would give me more haste even
I am simming some rings
formal echo
How important is a coup de grace tracker?
formal echo
Beep
sullen wyvern
aswell a weakaura that is tracking your UBs
formal echo
I optimize little by little
So next step will be a coup degrace tracker
Just need some rules for it. Do not use it when the target has 2 buffs of it ?
keen belfry
your whole goal of trickster is to cycle as many coups as possible
which is basically saying dont every waste unseen blade stacks
sullen wyvern
is there a way to see how much haste I am getting on the simm I shared above?
Like the stat weights of that simm
keen belfry
which basically means you dont want to ever sinister strike if you have a coup ready
formal echo
I see, so far my priority has been to have adrenaline as much as possible and vanish during that to be able to use between your eyes
keen belfry
which is a good priority
but to understand this spec more, everything you do better = more adrenaline rush = more vanish during that
more coups = more cdr = more adrenaline rush
etc
there is a bunch you can do to maximize your damage as this spec
formal echo
yeah, i have noticed 🙂
fallow sonnet
if i craft weapons, what is most ideal? is there a big difference between maces swords and axes how they affect ur dps?
fallow fractal
did they remove shadowmeld subterfuge?
torpid fiber
no (re weapon type differences)
torpid fiber
did they remove shadowmeld subterfuge?
it's always been inconsistent and you've always had to go back into stealth iirc, right?
fallow fractal
it's always been inconsistent and you've always had to go back into stealth iirc...
so press SM insta engage again doesnt work and in boss fights it doesnt anyway
torpid fiber
i think you have to have like a meld stealth macro or smth
idk i should know this bc i play nelf but it's never worked for me
always been a bit jank
inland acorn
if i craft weapons, what is most ideal? is there a big difference between maces ...
Not really
daring yoke
whats the recommended 2nd craft? ive crafted a 720 mh. would it be an offhand?
willow portal
if i craft weapons, what is most ideal? is there a big difference between maces ...
if you go for a sword and then have a mace in your offhand then you have to carry both weightstones
:(
fallow sonnet
sword and mace is a cool combo tho
willow portal
whats the recommended 2nd craft? ive crafted a 720 mh. would it be an offhand?
wowhead guide has a crafting list
daring yoke
aite cool thanks
balmy topaz
I personally am going ring
hasty warren
hi pirates
balmy topaz
willow portal
I personally am going ring
with raid hc crest?
hasty warren
if we craft ring we can have an embelish ?
cinder relic
ya just not lining
hasty warren
humm
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weary fog
ye but u still get knocked around a bit
willow portal
i was running about like a noob
wtf is that tho? the heavy debris is the range targeted circle i guess right? but why wont it work on the tank circle
weary fog
its the group damage from the ranged circles yeah
no idea why it doesnt work like that for the tank circle's group dam
willow portal
by group damage you dont mean to stand in the circle and evasion ?
weary fog
oh actually if u look at crumbling slam it has a flag for not being dodgable
which m akes sense i guess since its a tank buster
willow portal
Also, exactly how dead is PI on us ?
torpid fiber
weary fog
by group damage you dont mean to stand in the circle and evasion ?
idk if the circle is safe, ive never tried
just ik the aoe damage is evasionable
torpid fiber
literally worse than multiple tanks
weary fog
u probably dont wanna get hit by the circle even if its evasionable because youll eb standing in the glass puddles after
torpid fiber
and yet somehow still better than sub
jolly geyser
Didnt see the text on the bottom of the defensives site, I was thinking how the hell do I read this?
quaint mauve
make sure you guys don’t click images with the spoiler thing on em on discord
atleast not from anyone you don’t know
lime lake
yeah i hate spoilers too
quaint mauve
yeah i hate spoilers too
new discord scam dropped bra
willow portal
make sure you guys don’t click images with the spoiler thing on em on discord
at...
what are they gonna do tho?
feral glen
Is the macro in pin still needed?
The cancelaurastealth AR GS
novel timber
quick question
are you guys building combo points for the 2nd coup from tier set or sending as a 1p
random stirrup
build unless you need to build with ss
novel timber
so sending an AR between the 2 coups is alright
willow portal
so sending an AR between the 2 coups is alright
or flurry or pistolshot i would say
novel timber
okay cool
ocean imp
Is using Ghostly Strike ASAP worth losing the Combo Point out of it?
hasty warren
Is the macro in pin still needed?
The cancelaurastealth AR GS
y
formal echo
Did you know that you can move while channeling KS
ocean imp
You can grappling hook during KS
strong cargo
You can stay alive during ks
worldly shale
cinder haven
Is using Ghostly Strike ASAP worth losing the Combo Point out of it?
Iirc, kir builds should avoid using gs on max cp. But the impact is not huge obviously
ocean imp
Rotation says to use AR GS BtE as an opener, which is why I'm asking
You do waste Combo Points if you do that
willow portal
has anyone tried this setting in the nothern sky wa?
gaunt phoenix
Is using Ghostly Strike ASAP worth losing the Combo Point out of it?
Yes, especially as fatebound you don't want to lose cdr on it
edgy phoenix
!fuu
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digital linden
Yes, especially as fatebound you don't want to lose cdr on it
is it a dps decrease to hold it for when the cp doesnt go to waste?
vivid vessel
Solo..
There is no ring that has more vers than the huge vers ring from last tier other than the boe ..
What do ..
I want more vers ..
light kernel
theres like 10 haste mastery rings but none with high vers
desert tendon
Buy boe zac
vivid vessel
the price is going down fast censi
proven ocean
the price is going down fast censi
Mythic prices on those will be different
Unlike heroic
vivid vessel
in what way
proven ocean
No one will spend 4-10m on hc items
So it’ll drop omega low
Myth items rings on 1 stat might stay expensive
vivid vessel
yeye maybe
proven ocean
Above 1m for a month atleast i think
proven ocean
Ye 2m sounds good
formal echo
ive struggled to get to 1 mil (soon there) do you guys sell tokens or what
formal echo
Boost what dungeon? normal? hc? myth+0 ?
proven ocean
strong halo
M+ in communities
proven ocean
With that question ur probably not gonna do the boosts anytime soon
proven ocean
M+ in communities
?
No one boosts in communities
What the helly
We boost omega high keys
Privately ofcourse
strong halo
Thats how I did it last season, I got added by a community
proven ocean
Communities all suck and they cant boost our key levels anyway
They try to bring us in but
With their tax bullshit
Everyone says no
Fucking noobs
tough salmon
Advertisers take 60% cuts nowadays or some shit
strong halo
You can sell 10-12s too like the broke boys we are
tough salmon
Its so disgusting
proven ocean
Monksea i added selling 20-21 boosts
I was getting more dm’s than i could manage
Good old days
strong halo
You guys timed 20 keys with a dead weight?
tough salmon
I had to remove my discord from raider.io
Even tho i wasnt advertising for boosting
proven ocean
I had to remove my discord from raider.io
Im getting 5-10 dm’s everyday for assa coaching
tough salmon
My dms was exploding
exotic gale
You guys timed 20 keys with a dead weight?
in DF yeah xD
stuck sparrow
Spammers take the risk of me putting naked gay black men on their screen
in nsfw scenarios
tough salmon
Wait really?
vivid vessel
ye they played it for 3 pulls
i talked with exile a bit tho
issue is that they arent big outlaw gamers
he believes it might be better
but in intermission p3
you know when the boss jumps away
and does frontal
you cant just grapple to boss
you have to waddle your way there
cause you are tethered with allies
proven ocean
ye they played it for 3 pulls
They played it alot more not just exile
vivid vessel
so you can get giga fucked by that
proven ocean
Exile got benched for the other rogue
tough salmon
Wdym waddle you move at supersonic speed as outlaw
vivid vessel
daizr?
proven ocean
Orher eogue played outlaw (worse dps 
)
vivid vessel
Wdym waddle you move at supersonic speed as outlaw
you are linked
like on swampface
so you cant
which is the issue
tough salmon
Oh thats brutal
strong halo
What was your assessment on their rotation tho I feel like even before that yoink they were low
proven ocean
Zac
It scares me to say that echo can actually win this race
Look at the statistics
On their stream
vivid vessel
they didnt know that you can bte/ps the above adds in intermissions also
strong halo
Wym method is winning
grim spear
proven ocean
Idk
vivid vessel
they are a lower count pull guild + they can copy liquid usually when they get late so they catch up
proven ocean
echo does less pulls
Ye i know
proven ocean
Idk
vivid vessel
the race is always close
strong halo
Depends on the raid
strong halo
Sometimes they only get close last 2 bosses
proven ocean
Raids
strong halo
Depends on tuning
proven ocean
I never saw liquid win a hard raid before
strong halo
LOU was hopeless given how easy it was, but they threw on mugzee
strong halo
I never saw liquid win a hard raid before
I mean NP was hard and super close
vivid vessel
UDDE
balmy topaz
UDDE
strong halo
Why you doin delves? And yeah a couple of delves you can’t vanish
vivid vessel
i have never seen that
strong halo
Or I gave up on it and switched specs
feral glen
!fuu
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vivid vessel
Why you doin delves? And yeah a couple of delves you can’t vanish
no clue
im getting lvl 2
for maps
idk
there is a decent ring
bro
idk honestly
@tough salmon login bro
tough salmon
Im working
strong halo
Work remote ez
strong halo
Zac will pay your rent
tough salmon
It scares me to say that echo can actually win this race
Why are we scared of echo winning
Zac has done nothing nice for me
tough salmon
This is an abusive partnership
proven ocean
because they're totally not supposed to win due to liquid's omega strong roster
and echo losing that many players
strong halo
Didn’t echo win the healing trade tho?
proven ocean
Didn’t echo win the healing trade tho?
wdym
strong halo
But definitely weaker than before according to max
proven ocean
they dont have zaelia
proven ocean
But definitely weaker than before according to max
idk
vivid vessel
im not even watching
proven ocean
they definitely have worse healers
proven ocean
losing zaelia was their biggest hit
strong halo
They might leave method
proven ocean
im sure they will ngl
strong halo
With how behind they already are
proven ocean
if they truly want rwf
its impossible to win with method
they're just way worse
max talked about that yesterday
or the day before
strong halo
Doing that many splits for guaranteed 3rd
proven ocean
method has insane players ngl
they just cant control them
@vivid vessel the chinese guild has more ilvl than liquid echo and method 
strong halo
True but are they also better than the echo counterpart?
vivid vessel
ye always
strong halo
Like jimmy is insane, but echo Dh is not bad. Is kush that much better than perfecto?
south spade
Hi guys, is anyone able to help me with a terrible pars I just got as my first time trying outlaw?
proven ocean
he's not good anymore afaik
main vapor
Can someone be so kind to have a quick look at my logs and give me some feedback? Apparently im one of the worst outlaw rogues on warcraftlogs on the first 3 bosses on heroic. Trying to review my timeline but its so confusing.
proven ocean
idk but if u saw him long ago
he was known to be like one of the best players in all of wow
now he's kinda w.e
echo was just full of actual nolife gamers
strong halo
What method played would make the echo roster rn rn
strong halo
Zaelia
proven ocean
like take legion/bfa as an example
idk if u played thosse expansions
but
half of echo was pushing M+ every season
playing 24/7
strong halo
Yeah but the race evolved so much they didn’t do 10000 splits back then
strong halo
And then 10000 farm and sell runs to pay off the debt
So they take the in between as vacay
proven ocean
lots of teams actually pumped wow so hard back then
i dont see any of them rn
its just randoms nowadays
strong halo
That’s pretty true
Hopeful and gingis teams are the only one that pushed this tier
For r1
For like 2 weeks
strong halo
He did for 2 weeks he made it top 20 dps kek