absolute fucking chad
#outlaw
bronze wadi
honest yarrow
yes i am currently 2/2pc lol
gaunt phoenix
with 7% haste you are losing infinite gcds
honest yarrow
i am completely at the mercy of ace procs lol
gaunt phoenix
the kir builds needs 19% haste to cap the gcd reduction from adrenaline rush
honest yarrow
if i get liek 1 cp back from BtE i know im not resetting CDs in time
olive marten
def should be playing HO
bronze wadi
friendly to lower haste and easier imo
honest yarrow
the gear situation is pretty out of my control since this isnt my raid toon so ill just chip away at it over time
bronze wadi
i dont even bother trying to offspec after gearing for outlaw that shit feels rough unless I have a ton of extra gear
honest yarrow
my main is warlock so its basically just been wicked cleave and eyeblast to the top of the meters. a very stark contrast
so i hop on my rogue to humble myself
balmy topaz
!fuu
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rapid tiger
is there any tech to stealth before dimensius?
worn ether
So I don’t have any tier, should I just run HO ?
mighty pivot
is there any tech to stealth before dimensius?
you retain stealth only if you are not specced into subterfuge, so not really possible for outlaw
rapid tiger
its so obvious this boss was not on the ptr its crazy
feral glen
!gear
ornate heathBOT
rapid tiger
his hitbox as well not being symetrical with the platform
mighty pivot
they can grief outlaw regardless of bosses being tested or not
late swallow
crazy how @proven ocean and @vivid vessel are almost the same io, but ross just does so much more damage
vivid vessel
shut the fuck up
proven ocean
idiot
vivid vessel
real
late swallow
shut the fuck up
when are you taking the sin pill?
vivid vessel
never bro
balmy topaz
@vivid vessel
vivid vessel
ye
late swallow
zac when 720 weapon?
vivid vessel
when
jagged ivy
where
willow portal
anyone got a healthstone + healthpot macro?
cinder relic
Outlaw boss 
vivid vessel
Outlaw boss
craggy barn
imagine
vivid vessel
wait he is assa
weirdge
ok but if any of these rogues could play outlaw
surely dh boss is an outlaw boss
fr fr
craggy barn
🤔
vivid vessel
no cope this time
civic void
Is outlaw actually op for boe farm
chilly karma
You don’t think eco dome trinket better?
balmy topaz
You don’t think eco dome trinket better?
Ye I just don't have
chilly karma
Ah ok
gaunt phoenix
There's 2 parts
gaunt phoenix
yep
keen belfry
i thought this thing was good
gaunt phoenix
That's what trinkets do
keen belfry
oh it does decent ST
craggy barn
oh shit im rank 7 outlaw on h frac, LFG
getting a random PI 
god damned shadow priest just sending natty PIs and i soak one\
gaunt phoenix
Might have been rank 8 without it
craggy barn
true
full lantern
Btw this trinket from delve seems to be pretty decent in mm+
desert tendon
zac
you already know
even if they could play outlaw
they wont
cuz they crafted and geared for assa / sub
willow portal
Btw this trinket from delve seems to be pretty decent in mm+
did you sim it compared to warpclaw / seaforium?
hallow spoke
Do we play sleight in fb ST? with new 4 set?
gaunt phoenix
new tier is loaded dice
gaunt phoenix
it doesnt
sudden iron
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
full lantern
did you sim it compared to warpclaw / seaforium?
i'm doing more dmg with it than sim so idk
analog mulch
Isnt warpclaw bugged?
I did literally 0 dmg yesterday according to my details
Wasnt even in the list
gaunt phoenix
seemed normal to me
prisma vessel
i thought warpclaw was only good on AoE?
analog mulch
A guildie said there was a reddit post about it being bugged
gaunt phoenix
its decent everywhere
prisma vessel
it does lower dmg than ghostly strike on ST dummies...
cinder relic
How much damage do you guys expect a trinket to do?
prisma vessel
AOE tho it was nice
merry hemlock
!fuu
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gaunt phoenix
that trinket is a bit interesting
no agility on it, 1 instance of damage so you better pray it crits
balmy topaz
@gaunt phoenix What are you suggesting we throw our crests into this week
gaunt phoenix
Idk
it does do lower than ghostly in sims
but that seems to be enough
for mainstat trinkets
white marten
Has outlaw been seen in RWF, yet? 🤣🥲
craggy barn
on trash
jolly geyser
in splits
quaint wharf
on trash 
willow portal
i'm doing more dmg with it than sim so idk
the trinket has no mainstat tho so keep that in mind
vivid vessel
Has outlaw been seen in RWF, yet? 🤣🥲
ye they swap to outlaw for trash
craggy barn
m+ build pepw
desert tendon
ye they swap to outlaw for trash
why not assa tho, it s better for sure for sure
craggy barn
zac do u track nether prism stacks in u gen ui bufs
vivid vessel
ye
craggy barn
lol
vivid vessel
ye bro
craggy barn
vivid vessel
get that trinket
cedar kernel
gm brothers
craggy barn
hey bac
cedar kernel
craggy barn
my gear is ok
vivid vessel
nice mog cuh
craggy barn
thanks cuh
cedar kernel
thats pretty good gear
craggy barn
giga haste neck
vivid vessel
rate mine
craggy barn
bald
vivid vessel
tf
keen belfry
craggy barn
wtf is that top trinket awang
keen belfry
hoa trinket
gaunt phoenix
its uncapped
craggy barn
based
desert tendon
Gud moaning bac 
keen belfry
it does 2ish percent dmg and gives crit and main stat
desert tendon
show us your mog and ilvl
gaunt phoenix
old tier
warm remnant
can you be stealthed while taking tp at the start of dimensius?
gaunt phoenix
it will kick outlaw out of stealth
warm remnant
apparentley the other rogue thats assa can
craggy barn
subterfuge fucks us
warm remnant
nice
gaunt phoenix
bug with subterfuge
stable kindle
fatebound or trickster on 4th boss raid?
gaunt phoenix
which one is that
stable kindle
the one with orb adds
worthy elm
forgemaster
round spindle
Outlaw looks like its actually doing pretty good in raids?
craggy barn
does KS not target fish sticks/??
worldly shale
Outlaw looks like its actually doing pretty good in raids?
padding
unique fulcrum
anyone else getting freezes on Forgemaster?
vivid vessel
no
civic zephyr
ah thank god
thoughts on
using two piece of new tier
and two piece of old?
or should i just keep the old ones
till i get 4 piece
civic zephyr
so like
even tho if i want to still be on trickster
that means i can't use 4 piece ?
gaunt phoenix
im not sure what you mean
gaunt phoenix
yes
civic zephyr
even if i get new ones?
gaunt phoenix
until you get new 4
civic zephyr
got it
hasty warren
dimensius trinket is nuts
unique fulcrum
are the raid boots bis for us? from soul hunters
keen belfry
new high gg
tight egret
New 4pcs sucks anyway. Barely an upgrade after old set until you can buff the I'll.
keen belfry
22mil
fallow fractal
are we gettign smoked by every specc in ST ?
simple gull
Any1 have that spreadsheet with tier piece comparisons?
lime lake
royal ermine
<:xdx:1098666316937826444>
yep it's lots of fun because people can't read and realize it literally says your spec on lfg before you invite somebody
frail veldt
are we gettign smoked by every specc in ST ?
Not in raid
In m+ we lose to a lot of specs though
pure folio
is 2pc2pc better than s2 4pc for M+?
tight kernel
no
frail veldt
Nope
tight kernel
old 4p until new 4
civic zephyr
what's gonna be the best craft option btw
jovial dock
is it better to let KS full channel or finisher as soon as we max cp ?
normal forge
They need to buff our set ... Again
cinder relic
what's gonna be the best craft option btw
Weapon, always
civic zephyr
Weapon, always
preferebly mace or axe?
ornate heathBOT
A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more 
Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, 
Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.
cinder relic
U don't need a dagger, you would prefer one tho
U could wait to see your vault at this point
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble you there cuh
copper radish
well maxed out and used some crests nothing left to upgrade and max on valorstones.... is it tuesday yet? lol
cinder relic
If u get a dungeon vault mythic weapon it's super good
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> you there cuh
Yeah
proven ocean
zac — 1:03 AM
@fathom bramble you there cuh
VanCleef 🏴☠ — 1:03 AM
vivid vessel
Yeah
you did low damage kinda on soulbinder
boss dam
is it missplay or are adds alive
too often
for fb
fathom bramble
I was targeting the important add a lot
Adds are kind of up a lot more than I was expecting
And i lost boss damage on the prio add ofc
proper python
is it better to let KS full channel or finisher as soon as we max cp ?
not sure, i am also curious about this
prime condor
How’s outlaw feel in keys?
stuck patrol
is it better to let KS full channel or finisher as soon as we max cp ?
It's very minimal (.1%) better to let KS full channel, but it "feels" better to cancel is early at full cps. In practice, it might be better to cancel to make AdR uptime a bit easier
vapid kelp
!wa
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Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
vivid vessel
I was targeting the important add a lot
i ended up doing trickster st
cause vibes idk
good boss damage tho
701 main hand
hasty warren
dimensius trinket on 2nd boss, look stupid
proven ocean
hes playing
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
tropic zephyr
Like they don't have some geared up law primed and ready to go on the bench
They made the sin switch
proven ocean
@vivid vessel how do u get this check mark
proven ocean
??
tender wedge
Outlaw on DH lads seems such a no brainer tbh
cedar kernel
fathom bramble
i ended up doing trickster st
Probably the right call
I’m also concerned that the caged guys count for fatebound, but haven’t done any good checking yet
Which would murder fatebound if true
proven ocean
@vivid vessel oh i just applied
i'll get it i guess
easily
i have all the requirements ezz
fathom bramble
Because my st on a full st setup is just terrible for whatever reason
proper veldt
!gear
ornate heathBOT
wintry solar
I'd spend my prime on you
proven ocean
I'd spend my prime on you
cedar kernel
tender wedge
It’s mastery on it though isn’t it
tender wedge
Hmmm decent
worthy elm
i mean cant just look at its damage, also not having agil will lower other damage
tender wedge
Outlaw trinkets is always such a crapshoot, I love it and hate it
tender wedge
Missing over 5% of your total agi seems like it would outweigh the decent extra damage proc
fathom bramble
can be quite good especially if the rest of your gear is bad
tender wedge
I mean yeah for sure
fathom bramble
like before I had 4pc it was massively good
worthy elm
im just rocking sac/seaforium until i get others
tender wedge
Not saying it’s terrible, just seems hard to eyeball the gap between losing the agi (ie more damage on everything else) vs a big proc damage number
woven jetty
Between outlaw and assasination. Which is better for M+ damage wise
worthy elm
Between outlaw and assasination. Which is better for M+ damage wise
the one you perform better on
tender wedge
Assass in general, but outlaw if you’re me
fathom bramble
though I don't know how sims handle the way BF interacts with rppm effects
maybe it models it perfectly idk
copper radish
did back to back keys with trick and fatebound and did a lil more with fatebound overall. feels pretty good to have a choice of what to run for once lol
keen belfry
though I don't know how sims handle the way BF interacts with rppm effects
it just felt pretty fine in a streets i just did
but idk
fathom bramble
well in game almost all procs should go on your main target
I would normally assume simc copies it correctly but I don't know for sure
which actually matters for overall damage in this case since we need 3 triggers on the same enemy to do any damage
wait they also detonate when the stacks expire 🤔
craggy barn
bro this season is so fucking scuffed
tender wedge
That doesn’t splash though right
craggy barn
i completed halls of atonement 10 twice and still no gd portal
craggy barn
just time it
i did twice
worthy elm
to be fair i had the old portal... and it just... vanished
craggy barn
craggy barn
oh fuck
fathom bramble
this is the true test
cedar kernel
I'm still missing my portal
yea the bug they havent fix yet
fathom bramble
does he do mouseovere tech
cedar kernel
💀
cedar kernel
do we only switch cudgel under 5? or only 4-5
sullen wyvern
I know this is not outlaw related but anyone knows what does this effect does ?
Like whats the void dust for
river escarp
I thought that was just a fancy lootarang
craggy barn
zac its happening
vivid vessel
i didnt get a single hc set piece
craggy barn
outlaw!
vivid vessel
and i dont have a weapon yet
ye i got all the trinkets tho
frfr
actually goated
sullen wyvern
at least you got 4pc this week
craggy barn
rwf outlaw
sullen wyvern
I didnt get shit
craggy barn
real
vivid vessel
does he do mousevoer tech
craggy barn
no
vivid vessel
should we tell him
sullen wyvern
The ntherprism does insane damage in dungeons
feral glen
beside AR+GS in opener, with which other spell should we macro GS with?
fathom bramble
the demon tech we need to just do the split cleave that warlocks do for free
opal raven
buff outlaw
near rock
idk if you are joking or not
Nah Man U do not want to see my gear
Also u got heroic boots
vivid vessel
Nah Man U do not want to see my gear
really
i mean
ok i guess i got lucky for the actual good items
i got super unlucky for tier
but tier honestly
doesnt matter
it will fix itself
craggy barn
tier guaranteed
near rock
i got super unlucky for tier
bro I don't even have 4pc
we never saw leather boots on either difficulty, normal or heroic
and no sigils
cinder oxide
we never saw leather boots on either difficulty, normal or heroic
wwe dropped 3 plate boots on normal and heroic
gaunt phoenix
yeah, it's really good st
craggy kelp
does he do mousevoer tech
are you even able to do this reliably with this fight
looks chaotic af
fathom bramble
focus macro is probably better heeere
vivid vessel
bro I don't even have 4pc
oh really
we got 0 zenith hc on my hc split
so we just did 4p with nm + vault + nm curio
vivid vessel
like my 4p is vault nm + nm curio + nm piece + cata hc
eh
outlaw 4p is good
its one of the good tier
lol
but ok
cinder relic
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3VC1FPZFZJzF5anZGSPjNy and I got taz chest mythic saving for next week 
vivid vessel
are you even able to do this reliably with this fight
not really
tahts why i bound fcous
but ye
you can do it
peak holly
Sup guys !! its HO build dead?
vivid vessel
its worth
dense ruin
I got passed over for HC tier this week cause outlaw 4pc ‘bad’ gave to a mw instead
Also why is exile pre ADRing
sullen wyvern
delve vendor op
where this vendor at
surreal flower
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3VC1FPZFZJzF5anZGSPjNy and I got taz ches...
we 1 banged hardmode on ptr, logged on live to do it and boomkin power flickers on first pull, dies to very first swirly that spawned
fathom bramble
he appears at the end of any 9 or higher delve once you are rank 3 on the delver track
surreal flower
near rock
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3VC1FPZFZJzF5anZGSPjNy and I got taz ches...
aint no way bro links his sin sim in here
fathom bramble
his shop rotates through a 5 day rotation so you can get the trinket on NA today and in 2 days
wintry solar
does it sell hero track at 11?
fathom bramble
no
sullen wyvern
where that though
proven ocean
i have lucky shirt
i have it equipped
im usually the luckiest person i know
unironically
cinder relic
aint no way bro links his sin sim in here
wintry solar
this hero track only rule is becoming harder than anticipated
fathom bramble
where that though
he is just standing there at the end of the delve if you have this
sullen wyvern
oh ok
near rock
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
dude I swear I'm the only person here without 4pc or boots
crazy
sullen wyvern
and how many delves do I need for that?
fathom bramble
I'm not sure I just have been doing most of the bountifuls since the start of the week
cinder relic
Also idk abt u guys but u should swap to stat weapon enchants
fathom bramble
if you have a lot of characters you can get it in 1 day
proven ocean
dude I swear I'm the only person here without 4pc or boots
no leather boot drop on both our splis on both hc+normal
ur not the only one'
cinder relic
Depths seems dead for all 3 specs even on st
proven ocean
i did get 4p day 1 tho
torpid fiber
dude I swear I'm the only person here without 4pc or boots
I did 8/8 normal raid and got 0 items of any kind
near rock
i meant among full normal + hc
sullen wyvern
dude I swear I'm the only person here without 4pc or boots
youre not
I got cucked by my guild for heroic boots and any tier piece
near rock
ok guys relax im talking about hof guilds here
sullen wyvern
it is what it is
torpid fiber
i meant among full normal + hc
yeah obvs your luck is way worse
like I'm not actually annoyed about not getting loot bc I'm not real anyways
fathom bramble
Depths seems dead for all 3 specs even on st
is this at your ilvl or the bis profiles?
torpid fiber
I got netherprism from the TW weekly which was nice
vivid vessel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3VC1FPZFZJzF5anZGSPjNy and I got taz ches...
HAHAHASSAHAHAH SIM
OK
torpid fiber
I got netherprism from the TW weekly which was nice
Why are timewalking dungeons so miserable btw? Is it just an outlaw thing that my meters say I do 4x everyone else's damage or
fathom bramble
depths isn't exactly dead for me yet, but the extra cleave from raw stats is probably just better on all these fights
people level alts with timewalking
you are a max level character in raid gear
torpid fiber
yeah! But it's meant to have scaling
cinder relic
is this at your ilvl or the bis profiles?
Like for solo it was equal to or worse but it seems at like 700 it shifts
fathom bramble
the scaling is bad
torpid fiber
Also I'm like 672
gaunt phoenix
you should prob just kill some ulduar bosses rather than suffer through dungeons
torpid fiber
I got it done last night but yeah in retrospect that would have been easier
Idk I just kinda wish I didn't feel like I could solo tw dungeons effortlessly
fathom bramble
the don't rescale them as the expac goes on so they are tuned for like ilvl 590 max level characters
cinder relic
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3F57KKrXqjw7TChcoDHKSD this is st bis profile for example
gaunt phoenix
for the bis profile, depths/radiant/vers/crit is literally identical so yeah would rather go stats or radiant
cinder relic
fathom bramble
which makes seense to some degree sincee if you level via timewalking you don't want to suddenly have players be infiniteely weeak at leevel 80
cinder relic
For sin/sub it's massive now for outlaw it still seems close
torpid fiber
I know I'm not the target audience
cinder relic
But if it's close, why bother with depths yk
At least, keep it in mind when choosing enchants again
gaunt phoenix
technically depths is damage that does not depend on the player being good 
cinder relic
I've defaulted to depths all expac but for sin/sub depths is literal garbage
Seems to "just fall off" at bis but yeah
The fact it has 0 aoe application seems very Sus when it's barely more
Ofc make the value judgement yourself but
Be aware these other enchants exist
I literally never looked at them all expac 
fathom bramble
I kept checking and watching them slowly creep up
I just didn't really expect them to ever catch up on outlaw
cinder relic
The stat ones generally have the "don't use two of the same" stipulation to them
fathom bramble
we do expect secondary stat stuff to eventually pass flat damage/agility stuff in general
undone notch
is there a big difference damage wise between running Hidden Opportunity and Keep it Rolling for M+?
gaunt phoenix
with new tier, hidden opportunity is expected to be a bit worse, like between 5-10% based on pulls
so it's not totally unplayable, but not recommended
undone notch
Dang :(
gaunt phoenix
some people were still using it in push keys, i think you can get away with it
undone notch
I just really like using Audacity, but I know Audacity isn’t super good for KiR
torpid fiber
Audacity is actively a dps downgrade without hidden opportunity iirc
fathom bramble
wouldn't surprise me if audacity kir was above ho
cedar kernel
im usually the luckiest person i know
undone notch
I’ve been playing HO, and then some keys w the 1 point in fan the hammer talent build and they were about even, I just didnt know how much better KiR could be if I practiced it
rare rapids
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
undone notch
I’ll practice with it a bit more, never really messed w KiR so I don’t know when it’s a great time to pop it but I’m excited to learn
cedar kernel
KIR is much more fun
gaunt phoenix
you just hit it at soon as you get 4 buffs
brave plover
is there a weakaura for the coup de grace stuff
gaunt phoenix
the official rule is 4 buffs, some people hit it with like 2 buffs + broadside, that's fine
quick grove
Don't worry, with Bliz dumbing down every spec they touch, KiR and RtB will be passives by the next expac
undone notch
Alr!
cedar kernel
this stink is too fun
hasty warren
Don't worry, with Bliz dumbing down every spec they touch, KiR and RtB will be p...
don't jinx us pls
cedar kernel
swanging when i doing dps
fathom bramble
audacity kir actually is above hidden opp lol
gaunt phoenix
not sure it actually presses ambush unless you edit apl
cinder relic
Outlaw has a lot of room to be dumbed down
fathom bramble
yeah it just cheats and never presses ambush
even though it should be forced to by audacity
gaunt phoenix
maybe we should fix that
tight kernel
15 streets is actually ez wtf
gaunt phoenix
at one point i did see audacity kir is not much of a loss in aoe
tight kernel
So much time now
gaunt phoenix
get back in the chamber solo...
quaint sable
Exile got PI'ed
fathom bramble
I just wish kir got to have a generator in stealth that wasn't unearthly bad
hasty warren
cringe
hasty warren
even top team don't know our outlaw works ?
fathom bramble
what if you can squeeze improved ambush into 1pt fth builds
it's not like op procs are that good at that point
olive marten
even top team don't know our outlaw works ?
Exile knows, they know
hasty warren
i wonder how they look at our resources
They don't
edgy phoenix
how does sims on soleah trinket work
gaunt phoenix
i think it defaults to haste unless you change it
hasty warren
Exile knows, they know
pi + aug buff is an evidence they have no idea
quaint sable
They don't
Ive def seen exile asking fuu questions in the sub channel before.
quaint sable
cedar kernel
olive marten
Yea, theres always a reason for what theyre doing. They wouldnt do it if they didnt have a justification tbh
tight kernel
Warpclaw + sacbrood are goals right?
quaint sable
Honestly might have just been that the spriests target was dead and they just sent it randomly maybe outta habit expecting him to still be sin
gaunt phoenix
i dont love sacbrood tbh it is a bit rng
some pulls you have like 9 stacks at once and you're like welp
burnt dragon
is the tank trinket from soul hunters sim bait or something? it's crazy high on my droptimizer
edgy phoenix
whats going on with cudgel
strong halo
Outlaw being used in the race
gaunt phoenix
im not sure it actually works on non tanks
edgy phoenix
678 simming better thanmyth wepo
strong halo
Just like last season
edgy phoenix
do i just not care about sim
strong halo
No shot your 720 weapon is simming lower
edgy phoenix
actually yea
real yew
"This includes generally using KIR at the last second of 4 buffs just in case you will get another from CTO"
By this rule I should wait till one of them is like 1 second to end to press kir, waiting for a 5 buff?
gaunt phoenix
hmm, i didnt test it with dslice because it has no concept of weapon swapping, but rather certain target patchwerks that included the vanish reset
edgy phoenix
idk it did 3.6% in 12 gambit
gaunt phoenix
"This includes generally using KIR at the last second of 4 buffs just in case yo...
yeah it is one thing that people like doing
using kir at the last second in case you get more cto buffs
real yew
got it. Always fish for one cto buff, even with 3?
gaunt phoenix
its not really an expected dps gain though
real yew
oh
gaunt phoenix
but it's not a loss either
real yew
got it, thanks king.
keen belfry
my bad
hasty warren
for vault, is it better to open it as outlaw or sub/assa for dagger ?
gaunt phoenix
if you have mh might as well go for dagger
hasty warren
I've craft sword and hero dawn mace
edgy phoenix
ye open with assa
fair oak
I played sin for a week and I already miss outlaw
deathstalker's mark has got to be one of the worse things in this video game
strong halo
Sin is so boring
strong halo
“Tank pls give me restealths”
magic shuttle
azure snow
where are macros for outlaw cant find them
hasty warren
what macro u want ?
pliant trench
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
- Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
- Zac's Group Devlin
Utilities: - Combo Point Standalone
- Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
- Unseen Blade tracker
Fun: - Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
- KS Ticking damage taken
proven ocean
@vivid vessel why am i getting declined in +10 keys..
hasty warren
<@352916297262301194> why am i getting declined in +10 keys..
gitgud
proven ocean
what the helly
peak dock
!loot
ornate heathBOT
ornate heathBOT
peak dock
!gear
ornate heathBOT
hasty warren
wdym
gaunt phoenix
!up
ornate heathBOT
peak dock
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/...
This one ty
fallow fractal
Not in raid
ST is single target so raid
idk both assas in my raid have 2 set and do more
covert kestrel
torpid fiber
they get 4000 applicants
hasty warren
I want new set
buoyant cosmos
I’ll never understand why people with 1k io less decline people
Have you tried listing a low key? The amount of people signing up is insane
hasty warren
blizz let me loot
torpid fiber
if you get more than 2 other dps applying you are going to have to decline some
buoyant cosmos
It's still dumb, but it's really spoiled for choice rn
hasty warren
next week we have a cata charge ?
buoyant cosmos
next week we have a cata charge ?
no, every two weeks
hasty warren
no, every two weeks
sad
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> why am i getting declined in +10 keys..
skill issue bro
no cap
hasty warren
anyway i'm off next week
fallow fractal
<:skill_issue:1333854879550148680>
nice
cedar kernel
ring lord
wintry solar
ring lord<:KEKW:1339419983775531028>
Nice bling
fallow fractal
Have you tried pressing buttons better than them?
nice again
buoyant cosmos
ring lord<:KEKW:1339419983775531028>
I keep getting the nerubian signet
hasty warren
ring lord<:KEKW:1339419983775531028>
I have 4 arakara trinket (not the egg)
cedar kernel
💀
hasty warren
want one ?
wintry solar
I wonder if our characters ever see ring loot and go "I don't really like this gem"
cedar kernel
this one i think
buoyant cosmos
I have 4 arakara trinket (not the egg)
Just get the drop
buoyant cosmos
The new hearthstone from him looks awesome
frail veldt
ST is single target so raid
Well there's single target in m+ it's called bosses
frail veldt
Also raid has a lot of non single target bosses
cedar kernel
but not in vault
fallow fractal
Well there's single target in m+ it's called bosses
y but u have aoe talents there
burnt dragon
where does the higher ilvl cudgel come from now? the box from the weekly quest?
fallow fractal
ah ok mhm weird
frail veldt
Previous seasons you didn't lose that much DPS from playing aoe build
This season is a lot worse
cedar kernel
balanced stat
cedar kernel
yea
i am trying to find some way to lower it but nvm rn
lets see what does the vault will provide
i think this week is done
bc my gear is not good
no 4 set
low ilvl
will be the burden of the group
wintry solar
Gotta get the grind on buddy
hasty warren
i think this week is done
what is this addon ?
hasty warren
ty bac
hasty warren
Smooth seas don't make a great sailor
yarrr
wintry solar
Yarrr
fossil pagoda
is a 671 cudgel better than a 684 from last season ?
hybrid crown
fossil pagoda
for m+
cedar kernel
tbh i havent figure out when should i switch to cudgel, so i only switch it when theres only 4-5 targets
under 3 or more than 5 i just use ilvl wep
gaunt phoenix
under 3 or more than 5 i just use ilvl wep
more than 5 you use cudgel
around 4-5 is just the threshold where cudgel starts to be better
cedar kernel
oh ty solo
cedar kernel
yea
wintry solar
Gotta sim cuddles
frail veldt
more than 5 you use cudgel
I've just been using it the whole time cuz it's my highest ilvl haha
fossil pagoda
u cant sim the cudgel
cedar kernel
in dslice its 1.0%
fossil pagoda
i think
frail veldt
It's so nice to not have to swap weapon
gaunt phoenix
well dslice doesnt have a concept of weapon swapping
fossil pagoda
with dslice ?
hasty warren
It's so nice to not have to swap weapon
y it's a prison
frail veldt
Yeah you can't swap weapons but it will sim the combat reset value
gaunt phoenix
but even without that it seems to be doing better in dslice than i thought
frail veldt
Or maybe I'm trippin
gaunt phoenix
it will in dslice but not in patchwerk unless you declare it a dungeonroute
frail veldt
but even without that it seems to be doing better in dslice than i thought
I've noticed the sim thinks you can meld on bosses
hasty warren
we can sim it in expert mod ?
gaunt phoenix
what else would it do
proven ocean
@gaunt phoenix btw the lucky coin opener u have in the pin stating as a bug is probably misleading
frail veldt
On bosses
proven ocean
i dont think its a bug because its a feature for sin too
to avoid shit rng in raid fights
it probably wont be bugged for both specs
would be a wild coincidence i think
gaunt phoenix
hmm no it's a bug, the bug is that double jeopardy is working on both the GS and the AR because they are used at the same time. if they are slightly delayed then it doesnt work
i think sin guarantees 7 coins through some other method that is not related to this bug
strong halo
m+ build on soulbinder?
gaunt phoenix
not with deft
hasty warren
pc
quaint sable
i think sin guarantees 7 coins through some other method that is not related to ...
Dont they do it using CB
hasty warren
I went on soulbinder hm toninigt and pc build is broke on ir
quaint sable
The fact that cb cause the coin to land according to streak
gaunt phoenix
i know literally nothing about sin
lime lake
assa vanishes with kb/cb but no cancelaura stealth shenanigans
quaint sable
The talent node in fatebound where we take the ss strike chance
They take the cb one which makes the evenom after cb match the streak
unborn aspen
(hey sorry to bother but the outlaw faq is up to date for this season or nah?)
gaunt phoenix
it is
unborn aspen
thanks ! 🙂
hasty warren
boosting
plucky sonnet
surely I will highroll get a myth BOE ring with like 10k vers sometime this season and not have to spend my life's savings
cedar kernel
no way to boost
gaunt phoenix
i think the combination of high vers + haste/crit is basically the same
cedar kernel
i am poor no matter real life and in game
desert tendon
baC
cedar kernel
okay lets try to sell some pets
cedar kernel
desert tendon
sheet
cedar kernel
vivid vessel
!def
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <
hasty warren
wait it's up to date ?
hasty warren
I missed it so much
vivid vessel
nah but
does feint work
i need to know
im doing hard mode now
go check please
hasty warren
it's the frontal ?
mighty pivot
does feint work
not the AoE reduction
vivid vessel
ok so
complete the sheet noob
its the most important part of this bos
tf ! ! !
incomplete information !
mighty pivot
reformed btw 
mighty pivot
complete the sheet noob
there is nothing to complete btw, if it's not there none of the 3 work
vivid vessel
really
mighty pivot
yes
vivid vessel
ok but how do you know you didnt just forget
i mean
its m+
things do damage
you dont even know
idk if i dont see something i kinda will think you either forgot about it or didntk now it was a thing
how can i trust !
like in this case
hasty warren
u never forget until u did
mighty pivot
if I forget you ping me and I add something
I should update the question marks now that we should have enough logs
fossil pagoda
is the cudgel WA still working for 11.2 ?=
real yew
This is my dummy Sim, but I can’t figure out how to reach 3.5M. I’m consistently hitting around 3.0–3.1M. The difference in BtE damage is massive.
Looking at the logs, I’m casting about 7 fewer BtEs than the Sim, but the overall damage gap still feels too big for just that.
Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong?
fossil pagoda
should i use netherprism all te time or hold it
vivid vessel
bro he kinda do be doing z damage
im ngl
is this the best rogue has to offer
in term of damage
its so over
buff outalw !
gloomy roost
can they make the meters bigger? i cant see my spec
quaint mauve
This is my dummy Sim, but I can’t figure out how to reach 3.5M. I’m consistently...
im assuming ur not casting as much btes in crackshot? you cant really get any info from just dmg breakdowns
proven ocean
is this the best rogue has to offer
idk
hes finishing 3-4 cp half the time and losing rtb sometimes
no flame or anything
but ye rogue looks rly bad overall
frail veldt
So then why the fuck are they playing outlaw?
random stirrup
I’m not a daizr hater but I don’t think many of the rwf guys have spent enough time on outlaw to play it proficiently
Spec is never good so why practice
strong cargo
Evasion cdr op !
random stirrup
idk could just be that it’s tanky
strong cargo
Nerf outlaw
mighty pivot
This is my dummy Sim, but I can’t figure out how to reach 3.5M. I’m consistently...
the difference for BtE is not as massive as you think (in %). You see that the sim combines the Dispatch from Crackshot with BtE
proven ocean
ngl
liquid rogues are way worse than echo's mages
even tho echo's mages are being omega memed 24/7
grim spear
still echo
frail veldt
But yeah I still don't understand why they have an outlaw lol is being tanky worth doing half damage
stable nest
I thought gingi was good
almost every competent mage i know says gingi isnt great at mage and makes mistakes a WF raider shouldnt make
civic void
For atrophic I imagine
proven ocean
I thought gingi was good
he is good
hes just being memed because he isn't as good as firedup and the other top mages
frail veldt
Well sure
proven ocean
he couldn't spread ignite perfectly on mugzee
stable nest
yeah he's not bad, just not IFU/hopeful calibre
proven ocean
so he stopped doing it on rwf prog
which costed them the race btw
it was the only place where it was a genuine mage diff
buoyant cosmos
yeah he's not bad, just not IFU/hopeful calibre
How much you think they paid hopeful?
stable nest
LOL
proven ocean
looking at liquid rogues is kinda depressing
stable nest
hopeful probably wanted OUT after the echo PI thing
proven ocean
idk why max isn't letting jpc in with way less alts because hes just straight up way better lol
frail veldt
Does jpc even want to
proven ocean
ye he told me he can't do 15 alts
stable nest
i mean, they're great rogues. i doubt they have much xp on outlaw considering its the least? played WF spec in the history of modern RWF. gotta give them some slack
proven ocean
who the fuck is crazy enough to do 15 alts bro
buoyant cosmos
who the fuck is crazy enough to do 15 alts bro
addicts who are getting paid to play
frail veldt
addicts who are getting paid to play
I can't imagine it's that much
buoyant cosmos
Also for the love of the game
proven ocean
i think a class like rogue deserves a special treatment in a top guild
of being a single class player
buoyant cosmos
I can't imagine it's that much
It's probably <5k
pastel sierra
Youd have to pay me a lot more than my current job to do RWF that shit sounds so annoying to manage
buoyant cosmos
unless they use it to start streaming
real yew
the difference for BtE is not as massive as you think (in %). You see that the s...
Yeah, just noticed that. And about Coin? What am I doing wrong?
proven ocean
RLs are arrogant enough to enver understand that people cant play rogue as an alt
pastel sierra
Even though progging is cool af
proven ocean
RLs are arrogant enough to enver understand that people cant play rogue as an al...
echo isnt
torpid fiber
did daizr sub in to play outlaw and immediately get benched
this is great news blizzard might see how bad they were and buff mage again
mighty pivot
5 hours waiting for this 
hasty warren
gg at least
vivid vessel
wdym
torpid fiber
nah bro
building a gearset for when I have a haste target for this and one for when I don't 
dawn talon
liquid rogues are way worse than echo's mages
the thing is that echo's rogues are also not great and imfiredup is the goat
i agree tho the liquid rogues are def worse than the echo mages