outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Ok and everyone can think like that

And then you end up with every player on your raid

Playing the absolute most pad talents

You aren't special in your raid

[lone spear]

and you probably still kill the boss cause its the second one

[vivid vessel]

It's not just you

Ok

Do whatever you want

[lone spear]

like i get what ur saying, its unoptimal

[surreal coral]

agree wink

[lone spear]

but also shruge its not that deep for most guilds

[vivid vessel]

If you guys enjoy inting progression for fun

Idk

You are already playing outlaw

And then

You also chose

To play pad talents for fun

I do have an issue with that ye

[lone spear]

well thats whats great about WoW

we have different goals

but we can still do that same content, but with people who align with our goals

[vivid vessel]

[surreal coral]

https://tenor.com/view/my-main-goal-is-to-blow-up-and-act-like-i-don't-know-nobody-my-main-goal-is-to-blow-up-hahaha-gif-2863015232596367169

[vivid vessel]

I have no respect for progression padders

[lone spear]

holy shit what a throwback

[vivid vessel]

Never will

[cedar kernel]

TIME TO REST

BABY

[lone spear]

did you run PC on bandit?

[vivid vessel]

No cause I wasn't a padder

And it was objectively worse at the time I did bandy to run pc

Unless you wanted to pad

But I ended up doing the boss as sub anywya

But I did start prog as outlaw

But also bandit is different I could see the argument

You have plenty of stuffs that can justify whatever you do even if it's wrong

[lone spear]

thoughts about PC on forgeweaver?

[vivid vessel]

I'm watching liquid

And it's a pc boss imo

The adds seems to be an issue and need to did fast

It's 3 adds

Pc get insane value

I'm thorned? Whatever the word is, between trickster pc or fb pc I need to sim

Whichever does the most prio damage

[lone spear]

torn, and yea idk its weird

[vivid vessel]

Like fb pc might be ahead in 4 target even idk

[lone spear]

FB is theoretically more ST, but u lose it when adds come out

[vivid vessel]

I need a sim for that

You mean fb but ye

[lone spear]

ye mb

[vivid vessel]

I just need a sim to decide

[fathom bramble]

better on loom than we are on the fake cleave pad boss lol

[vivid vessel]

I blasted loom in hc for some reason

No idea why

Just did st dam

Bim baam

[lone spear]

same i think i was cleaving accidently on the webs when they got close

[vivid vessel]

But also oitllaww should be one of the good melee to swap add on loom

Like you can cleave and shit

It's not bad I think

I'm considering outlaw on all the early bosses

It depends on the weapon

I think I won't have a weapon anyway

Cause I think I'm waiting for third boss kill

Need to discuss with raid lead guy

[fathom bramble]

a simple 701 isn't even that far behind a crafted wep realistically

if outlaw is really better on a fight

[cedar kernel]

WAIT I JUST FOUND

[vivid vessel]

704

But ye

[cedar kernel]

ZAC ITS BEEN 5 AM AND HAVENT REST

THE IDOL

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Idk

I have been watching liquid prog

I took 2 week holidays this tier

And I'm glad

[cedar kernel]

push season

[vivid vessel]

Cause I always enjoyed watching race prog

[cedar kernel]

TOP 1 season fr

[vivid vessel]

But I didn't have the time

Last few tiers

Between work and my own prog

Taking 2 week is bis I can watch prog and do my own prog

And even do keys in between

What a life

[cedar kernel]

is it yearly vacations

[vivid vessel]

24/7 wow content

Imma go to sleep

[cedar kernel]

have a nice sleep brother

[vivid vessel]

And tomorrow I will wake up with a plan

[cedar kernel]

[vivid vessel]

For crafting and spec prog on every boss

Cooking that up in my sleep rn

Kinda crazy

[fathom bramble]

I was dreaming about our taz attempt the night before

training

preparing

[cedar kernel]

i learn some basic apl things but i dont have inspiration to check whether i actually learn it

i need to take a shower and get some lunch break too

tired

[vivid vessel]

Real gamer bro

That's what's up

[keen belfry]

zac

do u htink

streets is a sub key

in ur group

[civic zephyr]

what are peoples thoughts on forgeweener so far?

[lone spear]

cc rotations are cringe

other than that seems fine

its part of the reason no rogues, we offer no aoe cc value in this situation

[cinder relic]

Well the biggest reason is that atrophic doesn't work on the fight

I think rogue is very good on that fight still

[civic zephyr]

im big noob im just here to see peoples opinions :D

[cinder relic]

Just cuz rwf doesnt do something doesn't mean it's necessarily bad, especially when they have a near limitless comp flexibility. Casters are just insanely value on the fight

[civic zephyr]

it looks fun tbf, but yeah atro not working here kinda dumb

[lone spear]

true, but theyre also running 2 WW monks because their CC value is crazy

i think theyre similarly powerful at AoE in this fight as rogue too

[cinder relic]

Ya ww is also very good

[vivid vessel]

Idk what you mean by in my group

Like my group doesn't benefit outlaw more than it benefit assa or sub

So

[keen belfry]

i just mean outlaw vs sub in that dungeon, the 2 dmg amp bosses are so cooked

[frail veldt]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[frail veldt]

if im capped on gilded is tehre any reason to do a delve over 8

[storm hemlock]

vault

[quaint sable]

8 is max vault.

[storm hemlock]

erm

[sudden fulcrum]

more adventurer's journey from 11s if you care about that

which you need to unlock maps

[storm hemlock]

how do I change my tag HO is stinky

[frail veldt]

ah

[fathom bramble]

vendor can also be meaningful

tier 3 on delver's journey for a champ track of the trinket

[weary fog]

Did u already do a tier 11 to get the quest that goes over gilded cap

[fathom bramble]

I did it very early when it was bugged and didn't go over the cap yet

so I'm just perma beehind

[long barn]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[long barn]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[civic zephyr]

@storm hemlock this thing i think

[storm hemlock]

ty

[civic zephyr]

np gamer

[fathom bramble]

Loom down

I'm not sure our boss damage is good compareed to the real classes

or I suck

[stiff vector]

our boss dam just kinda poopy

[white marten]

Fatebound st pretty decent

[quaint mauve]

i need to lwk read what coup does LOL

why does it give a gajillion cdr

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz it is +5 cps

[quaint mauve]

oh i see

[gaunt phoenix]

[quaint mauve]

this is big news

i was just pressing it

now ima be pressing it the same exact way while knowing what it does

[shell geyser]

is outlaw best rogue spec for delves or are they all slow?

[magic shuttle]

Outlaw zooms in delves

[keen belfry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense bridge]

shouldnt matter what spec, you can do lots of skips by stealthing

[old acorn]

/wa

[torpid fiber]

outlaw is nuts in delves, you get tons of free stealth resets and you have a lot of healing from vanish cdr

[dense bridge]

oh yeah

so tricky helps a lot too

no more accidentally resetting mobs

though it does have the odd side affect where brann will sometimes pull mobs by himself

[tight kernel]

who wants to do a quick 11 gambit

[pure jetty]

anyone know which graphic setting can I crank up so I can see visual telegraphs better?

[stiff vector]

like every heroic boss(Been puggin them ) im like right behind awang

[frail veldt]

How do I make streets not suck ass as outlaw

That dungeon is the doti rise of this season

Feels fucking awful

[lime lake]

play sub

[gritty hamlet]

M+ breakdowns are hilarious lol

I have no idea what to think about the chaotic nethergate

it looks good, but it has no agi

[stiff vector]

its just cancer for melee, but ye stupid music boss is so shit

[gritty hamlet]

heh, the nethergate isn't even on the tier list

[frail veldt]

It's all of them

Mail boss

Last boss

Even first blss

If you get imprisoned

I melded one and then the mage fucking invised it back to me

[lime lake]

[stiff vector]

just gotta hold cloak for imprison and hope you dont get another

[glass yew]

football trinket garbage?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it's whatever

[olive marten]

Have you done the hardmode deathless run? first boss is terrible for melee on hardmode lmao

[stiff vector]

ye I can confirm the football trinket is garbo

[gaunt phoenix]

the tooltip was written like it's uncapped damage but it's not

[gritty hamlet]

it seems fine on single target, but it's meh in aoe lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Stone cursed idol is the uncapped one

[gritty hamlet]

nethergate is bait cause of the lack of agi right?

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure the effect makes up for it

[gritty hamlet]

fair indeed, outlaw is so hard for me to tell with stuff.

[cinder relic]

[olive marten]

i saw your tweet, huge W

[willow portal]

does it make sense to go for the healreduce poison in halls? (miniboss before last boss)

[lucid vale]

!FUU

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brisk radish]

is outlaw easier compare to s1?

[torpid fiber]

it's probably harder

[vale python]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[manic quartz]

what spec to open vault if i crafted sword this week?

[celest basalt]

How hard is outlaw lol

I got a Mace, I’m enjoying assa. Just heard outlaw was better on streets and halls ?

[torpid fiber]

ppl in this channel have been perma complaining about streets so idk about that one

[gentle sky]

in Dungon slice Fatebound is wining over kir for me dont understand way

[quaint mauve]

streets….

[celest basalt]

Bro Idfk? I play assa and I’m new to rogue

[willow portal]

assa sounds giga op and the apm is alot lower so idk

[quaint mauve]

that place is hell

[celest basalt]

Assa is hella@fun rn, and slams hard

I was just seeing if outlaw was competing at all idk

[covert heart]

I precloak that mechanic fuck that shit

[cinder haven]

Prekey should be different with new ks imo

Adr, ks, rtb as soon as you enter should be better than what the command says at least

Maybe there’s something even better

[dawn talon]

yea that's what ive been doing

[dawn talon]

pure ST is overvalued in dslice

[balmy topaz]

You 100% ks pre key for UB stacks

[dawn talon]

so fatebound looks stronger than it realistically is

bc of how often you're pulling trash into boss or the boss is spawning adds etc

i don't think there are really any viable fatebound keys this tier

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[balmy topaz]

Yeah you just don’t play fatebound in keys

It’s never worth it

[cinder haven]

You can also do rtb, adr into ks into snd spam but idk what you would gain from that really

[hasty warren]

maybe street no ? I saw someone saying that

[cinder haven]

You can only take two ub stacks with you anyway

[balmy topaz]

Hmm it could

[balmy topaz]

Naa always trickster, if you want more ST dmg being a arcane mage gg

[hasty warren]

How is tazavesh HM difficulty compareed M+ ? Is itl ike a 10 ?

[cinder haven]

Tuned like a 10 but extra mechanics

[balmy topaz]

I haven’t actually tried it yet

I need to try actually

[hasty warren]

better to wait end of week I think

[balmy topaz]

I have raid tn so after raid (monday or Tuesday) I’ll give it a go

[hasty warren]

k thx

[balmy topaz]

Although I did hear

Yodas group tried it

And last boss streets perma casts group wipe ability

And failed

[hasty warren]

what u do for raid ? HM ?

[cinder haven]

There was some exploit too yeah?

[balmy topaz]

What do you mean what do I do for raid sorry?

[balmy topaz]

Was there

[cinder haven]

Seemed like a bannable exploit though so do not recommend

[hasty warren]

what difficulty is your raid

[latent belfry]

wouldnt be the first time outlaws were banned for exploits xd

[hasty warren]

sry I just awake my eng is bad

[cinder haven]

You did a streets m+ and then rezoned or something and then 5 bosses counted as killed

Seems very bannable

[balmy topaz]

We’re on heroic, I went from HoF raiding to just casual 2 day raiding so it’ll be finish HC into try some mythic bosses

[hasty warren]

k gl

[lilac rose]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[balmy topaz]

Tyty

[balmy topaz]

That does…

Hmm

[hasty warren]

4 bontyful now ?

[craggy barn]

is there a simc string for solea's technique trinket

[balmy topaz]

But I don’t think I’ve heard of anyone actually completing hardmode yet

[cinder haven]

RWF raiders supposedly have done it off stream

[fluid meadow]

black screen players didn't complete?

[hasty warren]

howm any sparks we have this week ? 1 ans half or 2 ?

[civic void]

Guy did it actually

[cinder relic]

Yezzir

[worldly shale]

Bruh zac is making us look good

Stawp

[olive marten]

What do logs for keys even use as a metric 😂

[worldly shale]

Think here its just points from a dungeon

Nothing else

[willow portal]

@cinder relic does it make sense to go for the healreduce poison in halls? (miniboss before last boss)

[cinder relic]

Probably yeah

If u have no mortal strike

Wp does about half the damage that ip does

And it's a big ms, especially with the talent

[willow portal]

is that a talent tahts default in the m+ build?

[cinder haven]

Instead of shiv?

Is there nothing to shiv this season?

[willow portal]

dont even have shiv

i have the move speed thing

[cinder haven]

Reduced duration of movement speed debuffs is umm, very situational imo

If it was reduced effect it would be decent

[torpid fiber]

you can shiv the hounds in hoa right? So not a meaningless tradeoff

[lime lake]

yeah but just dont let the cast go off 4head

[cinder haven]

But loyal beasts should never go off

[olive marten]

^

[torpid fiber]

Yeah obvs

[cinder haven]

Idk if there is anything else

[cinder relic]

Force multi in streets

From the overseer mobs

Super siyon on the trash to hook tusk

[cinder haven]

Right those tend to go off eventually

[olive marten]

The super siyon shit owns too lol

Any aoe stops and the swing timers sync up and your tank just falls over 😂

[cinder relic]

These are my default utility talents

U can just drop the movement speed for wound poison effect for that dungeon if u really want

But yeah, it would be worth doing

[hasty warren]

u play with shiv by default ?

[cinder relic]

[cinder haven]

Just take wound poison talent over shiv in hoa specifically i guess

[cinder relic]

Ya

[cinder haven]

I also have shiv by default

Not like there’s a lot of value in anything else

[hasty warren]

why ? we don't have many enrage this tier no ?

[cinder haven]

What do you take instead?

[hasty warren]

slow ressit

xd

[fluid meadow]

those are just filler talents really nvm if u don't need any specific in the dungeon

[cinder haven]

The slow talent does nothing

Read it again

[cinder relic]

Slow talent is insane value in gambit

[hasty warren]

y it's shit

[cinder haven]

Unless there’s some debuff that also does damage

[cinder relic]

Or even the shit in halls that runs Way

[hasty warren]

but it can help sometimes

[cinder relic]

There's some crippling value this szn for sure

Might default to it again tbh

Fuck mn

[cinder haven]

Crippling in gambit murloc area

And hoa start

[cinder relic]

Yep

So good

[hasty warren]

I pref a useless passiv talent that's usefull once a week than a spell i'll press in 2 dj

[cinder relic]

Sure I mean its utility at the end of the day

Pick what u fw

[hasty warren]

it's minimal anyway

[serene cosmos]

You know there's enrage you can dispell?

[cinder haven]

Are they ever gonna fix the leech in stealth talent though

[red zinc]

Are they ever gonna fix leech period

[quaint mauve]

bro im so inconsistent on this spec idk

one day im turbo blasting and my adr uptime is good

[red zinc]

just play more

[quaint mauve]

and then there’s days like today where i can’t even break 90

like

holy man

[latent belfry]

i was going through this same thing with KIR build

it gets better

[torpid fiber]

Sleep gap + vibes rng

[latent belfry]

jus hit a target dummy for like two hours

[torpid fiber]

You will probably play better by spending those two hours sleeping

[alpine bough]

why i feel like a old man playing kir, ho was way faster gameplay, even with 19%haste

[latent belfry]

or this

[torpid fiber]

sleep buff is so unbelievably real it's crazy

[latent belfry]

try not to spam cast SS and trigger yourself

it happens

jus go with the outlaw flow

[weary fog]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[feral glen]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[quaint mauve]

is it really a sleep
gap

i am running off 0

[torpid fiber]

getting sleep is a giga dps gain

once you start getting real sleep, whenever you have bad sleep you'll feel awful lol

[balmy topaz]

I touched grass yday

I played so much better after

[torpid fiber]

Yeah it's just how it is

people think they should play 20 hours a day but past a point ur time is not making you better

[stuck patrol]

Can confirm bc I have done the schooling, sleep is probably the most important thing our body needs with exception of food and water

Studies show how much our reaction time and brain processing speeds jump off a cliff if we don't get adequate sleep

Adults should be getting 7-8 hours of sleep minimum

[stuck patrol]

Like this is actually so correct if you are running low on sleep

If you wanna minmax practice outlaw for 20 mins before going to bed

Then get a full night's sleep

It'll be very likely your brain will hardwire that outlaw juice into your brain when you sleep

Then when you wake up you'll be even better

Sleep bis

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

if even geometry dash players have discovered sleep buff you'd think wow players would have, but nope

[stuck patrol]

WoW is designed to perpetually keep you playing for as long as possible, so it's harder for WoW players to have the self control

[torpid fiber]

On a personal level, I can feel the difference between 7 and 8 hours of sleep in my wrists

And 6 vs 6:30 and 6:30 vs 7

[stuck patrol]

Yup, sleep helps the entire body, not just the brain

I would bet that people would have less carpal tunnel issues if they just slept

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[stuck patrol]

Not the point it would be healed completely, but you'd have less issues/pain overall

[torpid fiber]

I wish I'd done that lololol

yeppp

[stuck patrol]

Also buying a brace to wear while sleeping helps, if you can actually fall asleep with it on

Anyways sorry for yapping, I must spread the gospel of go to fucking bed when I can

[vivid vessel]

Well sub is way better but also that's the case in probably every key so

[rotund zodiac]

I thought this day never come but I’m starting to have wrist pain 🙁

[jolly geyser]

stretch

as a "unc" I know

[radiant vessel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[hasty warren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gs1nXbXYAYnCQpBcCo4vG6

hmm maybe swap gear

[elder phoenix]

hold up

with ghostly strike

do you use it even if you have 7 combo points

Or like what

[hasty warren]

I'd say y

dmaage buff is more important than 2cp

[elder phoenix]

its off the gcd

so can i just macro it with pistol shot

LOl

Or with sin strike

or both

[strong cargo]

Yes on CD, the only reason not to use it is if the mob is about to die or you are about to swap target

[torpid fiber]

also can be worth holding it in awkward low energy situations imo but that's feelycraft

[strong cargo]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[strong cargo]

@elder phoenix ☝️

[elder phoenix]

also sims is telling me the OH trickestg build is doing more dps than the KIR build for dungeon slice

QQ

[strong cargo]

Do you have 18-20% haste as kir ?

[elder phoenix]

sir

I have 29% haste

LOL

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/5Lkwtq0.jpeg

683 ilvl now

i have old tier 4 set though

s2

[dreamy nexus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[lucid sandal]

@cinder relic Have you ran sims for outlaw with the wax?

[oak bloom]

hey guys
can soneone tell me why the neck vers haste of Soulbinder is -1% on sim ? (i already have haste cap)

[cedar kernel]

like u are already reach 25% before equipping the neck? bc the haste more than 25% can do less, and other stat has more value, even the mastery in AOE

when u reach 25% cap, the haste value become very very low

[oak bloom]

oh is not 19% anymore ? on haste

on this case ok i need more haste

[cedar kernel]

yes it is, 19%-20% before subtlety

the 25% i meant is included subtlety

[balmy topaz]

Because you’ll need to make up for the haste loss

For some reason without SS my sim like 21% haste not sure why

[jade abyss]

"If Coup de Grace is ready, and you would otherwise press :ss: Sinister Strike, then send Coup early at low CPs as opposed to pressing SS to build more CPs"

Does that imply with the 20s timer UB ready or even while it's on CD?

let's say UB isn't guaranteed proc (so wa shows it's on cd), and I'm on 3 CP with Coup ready shall I send or build more with SS?

The way I read the FAQ I should never build with SS when coup is ready @gaunt phoenix

[oak bloom]

i got 20% before sublety

[leaden hazel]

Fellow comrades, how do you use coup de grace?

[jade abyss]

let's say UB isn't guaranteed proc (so wa shows it's on cd), and I'm on 3 CP with Coup ready shall I send or build more with SS?

[worldly shale]

click it i think

[cedar kernel]

yea if u got 20% before wearing the neck, thats the reason why i will be -1%

[leaden hazel]

But you don't use it as a booster?

Currently, what it works for me is to send double coup de grace for dmg amp and then either killing spree or vanish into multiple BTE so they omega blast aoe/single target. If i can't do both conditions, i just double coup for cd recovery. This way, it seems to pump a lot tbh. Was wondering if everyone is doing the same or still just using coup spamming it

[oak bloom]

thx for the info and thx ruby

[cedar kernel]

youre welcome brother

[quaint mauve]

ts taking forever

[pale pivot]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[quaint mauve]

what r our best pieces for tier

the stats r kinda sucky

[cedar kernel]

if next week i could get a mythic trinket or a mythic set

brothers which one would u suggest

[strong cargo]

If coup is ready you never press ss yes

[spare dome]

are you sure?

i mean the only UB you would waste is the random one

is it worth playing around it?

[strong cargo]

I'm not doing rules i just follow them 🙂 and people said it was worth yes

[daring yoke]

the feeling when you just got invited to a group, and got insta removed as soon as an assa applied 😭

[strong cargo]

It's not going to be night and day obvisouly but it's a little min max, your call to follow it or not

[spare dome]

im just a guy who presses buttons in order which it says in the gospel

[worldly shale]

bruh when i get a 5 roll before entering the dungeon

i feel so

disappointed

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble im sorry i lied

i forgot sub was doing the same cleave as outlaw anwyay

without losing 10 million st

[cedar kernel]

zac woke

[smoky whale]

Yo @vivid vessel Sryy if I Disturb but have a questión

I saw that u Still using the Nightfall Curseblade, U didn't change the weapon cos don't have any bbtr weapon or bcs still beign good than the rest?

(and why ur using the void claws and not the Tizona )

Thats my questión and thanks for attending

[vivid vessel]

its better in aoe

i have a 678 one

and my weapons are 701

[smoky whale]

understand, I'm doing the raidsbot simulations and said me to change the nightfall for Starforged Seraph's (what I have 701)

I have to listen to the raidbot? Or it doesn't count the nightfall pasive

[vivid vessel]

!cudgel

!nightfall

!curseblade

?

ye bro just

sim slice

kekw

it should be fine

[smoky whale]

sure

[vivid vessel]

thats slice ?

isnt that a st sim

you sim at 3mil in slice or

[leaden hazel]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[smoky whale]

sorry what's a st sim? Im like new in the last ssn

[vivid vessel]

you need to select dungeon slice here

[smoky whale]

ooh, lemme do agains

[trail cove]

Is KIR WAY better than HO rn ? Should I swipe on KIR with 19% haste to get a significant better dps ?

[smoky whale]

Tha't's in quick sim no?

[vivid vessel]

top gear

[smoky whale]

okay saw it

[dreamy nexus]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[smoky whale]

Ookay, now its btr shi

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cb4kUEuFBaoj2eYr8UGs6U

[quaint mauve]

my swap weapon WA doesn’t show up

im confused

[smoky whale]

I'ts says thats btr

[quaint mauve]

i hate cudgel so much

why couldnt we have left it behind

[hidden bay]

what are the op curios this season for delves?

[hushed matrix]

does "two matches" just mean two buffs right?

[cedar kernel]

@vivid vessel zac would u alway send the second coup at full cp for the 150% dmg inc or just send it when theres is no way to get full cp without overcapping the coup

[vivid vessel]

send it at whatever cp if you would have to otherwise build with ss ye

[cedar kernel]

got it ty

i just saw the 150% there but i think its not worthy? form is much more better before getting into Subterfuge

if this one could exist in Aug 28th i will be very satisfied but it cant, so sadge

[torpid fiber]

spent 2 hours RLing an N dimensius pug just to not get loot

[cedar kernel]

[willow portal]

so apparently they dont like that strat

[cedar kernel]

they just dont want it

they want to kill it by full health

[willow portal]

more power to them i guess

[vivid vessel]

you werent assa

[lone spear]

this is a depressing amount of outlaw parses

on heroic demonsussy

[cedar kernel]

thats nuts

[lone spear]

surely we're getting more love next expansion?

[cedar kernel]

maybe more hate

my dream of next season

is to solve 8target issue

is the time

i feel it

we have nothing to change, most of things are good except mastery and 8 target

[lone spear]

i think for us yea, because we're the few playing it

in its current state

[jolly geyser]

I believe

also you arent noob

[cedar kernel]

ram keep it a secret

when other CN brothers take this back to our community, i will out of stealth and caught them

[jolly geyser]

deal

[cedar kernel]

i am totally invisible rn

[jolly geyser]

vanished

[cedar kernel]

i waiting for ADR-RTB-BTE

RN

[warm adder]

can I farm nightfall ever 1 h for the weapon or it's jsut weekly?

[cedar kernel]

weekly

[latent oracle]

Does RTB procs reshii?

[spare dome]

tfw they check and you are not assa

[cedar kernel]

lmao

but actually i didnt experience it

i just got decline or ignored

[latent oracle]

Sometimes, while in stealth mode, something seems to trigger reshii and unintentionally cancels the stealth. Could it be because of RTB?

[vivid vessel]

are you pulling mobs ?

otherwise shaman has a heal rn that cancel stealth

[wintry solar]

which one is it?

[vivid vessel]

uh

some totem proc thing id k

[wintry solar]

my rsham friend came from a hiatus yesterday

good thing to know. ty

[thin fiber]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[grim spear]

lol like 99 outlaw narrowly beats 31 demo

[crude flower]

I forgot when it was, but I remember a dps log where outlaw was literally the lowerst dps and it parsed 100

I think it was pre patch or smth

[balmy topaz]

And the 19 unholy dk

[crimson scarab]

hey guys , i wanted to ask regarding the new tier set, are you running it or the one from s2

[crude flower]

Sim

[crimson scarab]

because for me the one from last season sims 1,1% better and it seems super counter intuitive

[muted iron]

:trickster: Trickster will probably not break the old 4pc unless ilvl difference is extreme. You can ask top gear, and remember to add a talent loadout with Loaded Dice.```

[crimson scarab]

and for the new tier set, the second coup de grace with how many CPs do u use it

[spare dome]

if you would press SS to build

send it instantly

[crude flower]

What

Is this scam

[muted iron]

MOOOOOOOOOOOODS

[dense rampart]

Yo how much worse is HO now? I am not the type of player to try to push as high as possible, just tryina get my bis gear and maybe do the whole mythic raid by the end of the season

[inland acorn]

Like 10%

Behind KiR trickster

[torpid fiber]

isn't it like 6%

it's not unplayable but it's meaningfully worse

[inland acorn]

Faq says up to 10% depending on target count

[strong cargo]

4-10% ye

[muted iron]

Supercharger isn't like ER in the sense that you have to spend on the highlighted CP right? Been a hot minute since I've played rogue as you can tell haha

[glass mortar]

its just ur next finishers yes

doesnt matter what cp they r finished on

itll consume them regardless

[desert tendon]

Weran the cutest

[cedar kernel]

fair

[smoky whale]

I'ts bttr autority Raidant Or Autority of the deepths in this season?

[analog mulch]

For dungeons or ST?

[muted iron]

cool, so you just follow normal spending logic and essentially ignore it, but if its possible to BtE or KS those supercharged CP, prioritise those spenders correct?

[smoky whale]

Dungeons, but I would also like to know for ST

[muted iron]

www.raidbots.com

[analog mulch]

Id say sim it, but i think fir dungeons radiant and st depths

But yes, www.raidbots.com

[smoky whale]

Thx

[pliant magnet]

guys best video for masterizing aoe rotation in m+`?

[glass mortar]

doesnt change ur spender priority at all as trickster

as fatebound it only changes it in being a condition to vanish

there arent really outlaw rogue guide videos we recommend

the last in depth video guide we had was in 10.2 tbh

the written guides r all good tho

[pliant magnet]

oh ye sorry thisi s outlaw lmao ahhahaha i know how to play outlaw xD i mean assassination hahaha sorry mate @glass mortar

[muted iron]

tyty, and yeah fatebound its just a when you have SC up, be a stealthy boi right?

[glass mortar]

whispyr just released a 3.5 hour long sin guide video so

im sure thats good (i havent watched it because i dont play the spec)

having supercharger is a condition to vanish for fatebound yea

[pliant magnet]

ooooh ye im lookingi t atm ty mate

[muted iron]

sorry for all the questions, haven't played OL since I wanna say S1 of Shadowlands but I'm bored of tanking lol

[torpid fiber]

we should release a 3.5h outlaw guide that's an introduction to programming

[crimson scarab]

where can this video be found? on YT?

[muted iron]

Whispyrs Assa guide?

[crimson scarab]

yeah

[muted iron]

https://www.youtube.com/@whispyr5793

🙂

[grim spear]

outlaw guide by zac : I just press buttons

[muted iron]

zac gets a 100% dmg buff by having dope music taste so

[torpid fiber]

This is the Outlaw guide way tbf

[stiff vector]

Put on jpc full focus playlist ez 50% dmg buff

[inner cosmos]

does anyone know the exact ilvl the new tier set beats out the old one?

assuming u have max ilvl old tier

[glass mortar]

not rlly just sim angle

[muted iron]

no idea, sims are friends not food tho

[inner cosmos]

yeah i just wanted to ask before simming

[stiff vector]

I had poverty s2 tier(658, only played last week of season) and I replaced my 4 set even for trickster soon as. I had 2pc and 2 697+ other pieces

[gaunt phoenix]

2/2 trickster feels like shit anyway

[stiff vector]

TFW still only have 2pc and dogass trinkets

[frail veldt]

On CD 🙁

But yeah I try to

[muted iron]

oh that's a point, does your opening sequence change at all in AoE with deft maneuvers? From memory in AoE we're meant to BF before we pull but the CP loss seems a bit yikes

now obviously won't be going naked into a lot of pulls but in those situations where we have no AR ticking to carry BF over, what do?

[inland acorn]

If you're missing cps and dont have AR to open with, u can bf with deft

[unkempt smelt]

s2 set is goated for KiR tho, im gonna miss it

[muted iron]

Yeah that I know, I'm talking about in a situation where you have everything ready, but not rolling already... like would you just ignore the CP loss from DM and just open with AR

[inland acorn]

Yes

It's more important to use AR and start cycling cdr on it

[gaunt phoenix]

Youll have bf back in 3 globals anyway

[inland acorn]

if you don't have bf going into pull, but have everything ready, just bf --> stealth --> ar

[glossy plover]

do these also have a chance to drop the nightfall weap?

[gaunt phoenix]

They do but at explorer track

Which is not worth

[glossy plover]

i thought i heard something about a chest being able to drop it

is that a diff one bro?

[gaunt phoenix]

The main quest The Flame Burns Eternal

[glossy plover]

ahh okay tyvm!!

[sick hull]

Would it be a bad idea to macro ghostly strike onto sinister strike?

[torpid fiber]

!gs

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[torpid fiber]

imo it feels kinda bad if you're at low energy, but it's fineish

[sick hull]

Hmm. Fair points

Ty

[stiff vector]

I mean I wouldn’t macro it, not just because if target swapping reasons but because of how stupid the energy cost is as KIR. There’s times in vanish windows I’ll hold off on pressing it if I’m low energy because you could starve yourself then miss a bte in vanish window.

[torpid fiber]

yeah it just feels shit

[stiff vector]

It’s so dumb how much energy GS costs, and that it’s a capstone

[torpid fiber]

Feelycraft stuff but sometimes you gotta play on vibes

[worthy thunder]

Zac, do you have ww monk Weakauras?

[vivid vessel]

no i dont

i use uh

cooldown manager

on monk

xd

[worthy thunder]

Ah ok no worries

[willow portal]

is 80% ar uptime in streets good?

[covert kestrel]

babylonius has a good pack

[hushed matrix]

hows outlaw's st dmg with the AoE build? i heard someone say its crappy?

[vivid vessel]

terrible

you lose about 20% st going from st raid build to our m+ build

[glass mortar]

zac

is the wfr racist against rogues

its kinda crazy how many bosses they r opting out of them no?

like sin is pretty fuckin good

caster bosses ig

[vivid vessel]

sub is good on the outloaw boss

but ye opther than that

there is just no reason to run rogue

[glass mortar]

thats the secret

even the outlaw bosses rnt outlaw bosses

me when i can just put a damage amp on everythin

[vivid vessel]

even without the damage amp

sub is prolly better

[glass mortar]

the cc rotations they r doing on this boss is kinda absurd

this things gunna be nuked from orbit

also funny that rogues cc is just useless on the cc fight

remember when we were the cc class

[vivid vessel]

its absurd if you never played m+

i think its not htat bad tbh

[jolly geyser]

thats pvp

[cinder relic]

Forge weaver doesn't work with atrophic

[glass mortar]

me when sometimes my raidbuff is fake

w/e not like it really matters

its just funny seeing rogue not even tuned bad

and not even 1 offed

[cinder relic]

Me when most of the time it's just better than dev aura

[vivid vessel]

well its the only boss rogue does something on for now

[cinder relic]

What

[vivid vessel]

forgereaver

is the only rogue fight for now

like its a pretty good sub fight

looking at method and echo

idk why liquid didnt play any rogue

but ye

[jolly geyser]

kush is sub on that

[vivid vessel]

yes

[cinder relic]

Idk why it'd be a sub fight over a sin fight

[vivid vessel]

cause you nuke the adds

1min30 cds line up

assa loses boss damage if it plays fatbeound

cause adds

[hallow spoke]

how tf is this balanced boys

[vivid vessel]

damage amp is also better for sub

[glass mortar]

we do a lil bursting

[vivid vessel]

and the adds arent alive long enough for assa to get funnel

[glass mortar]

fdk looks lit ngl

they got rettified

rotation looks smoothed out and more direct but decently fun and it just slams

good for them

[vivid vessel]

sub does 0 damage during intermission tho

[obtuse tiger]

first craft for keys only character?

[glass mortar]

weapon

[worthy thunder]

Thank you sir

I'll have to edit them and make them like Zacs

[glass mortar]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[jolly geyser]

haste

think ulduar drops a boe ring,bought that. alot cheaper than raid one

[hasty warren]

dimensius in pug 🙃

[formal crest]

Do I remove KS for fatebound raid build if I use HO instead of kir?

[lament flume]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vapid sundial]

zac

[vivid vessel]

hm

[vapid sundial]

when do i make the return

is it next expac

[jolly geyser]

Lastnight

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-baby-speech-bubble-cat-speech-baby-cat-gif-4142671478724681183

[torpid fiber]

why are people just asking zac about everything now

@ zac is this true

[vapid sundial]

no balls

@vivid vessel

[jolly geyser]

@vivid vessel

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitty-hump-fast-gif-26504795

also its bc zac keeps donowallign me

about it

i want my answer

[torpid fiber]

you could ping zeross and then assume zac would say the opposite of whatever he does

[vapid sundial]

@proven ocean is this true

fact check

[stuck timber]

yo guys can I ask a quick question ?

its not about outlaw but you guys are the fastest ones to respond 😛

[jolly geyser]

[keen belfry]

They should ask me

[torpid fiber]

@keen belfry is this true

[keen belfry]

Aye

It is

[jolly geyser]

why should I ask you awank?

[vapid sundial]

Awiener

[keen belfry]

Well if you think about it

Let that sink in

[jolly geyser]

nah my sink is in bathroom

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-sink-door-open-door-meme-gif-11027748423699535107

[keen belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-ai-gif-11024584798595487136

[proven ocean]

assa rogue says hi

tell ur dk friends if they wanna meet me one day

[vague cape]

ngl i yearn to play outlaw

dagger craft killed it though 🙁

why cant they just let outlaw use daggers

[lament flume]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vague cape]

tf is the point

of forcing large weps

[jolly geyser]

better mogs

[vague cape]

mogs aren't wep locked

atleast ive seen dks mog different wep types outright

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel echo prob gonna kill it tonight

[vivid vessel]

ye maybe

or well

its already 6

idk how long they play

NA should start soon

[simple dagger]

Damn wth? Pyrite really that good?

[vivid vessel]

tf is pyrite

[gaunt phoenix]

from ulduar timewalking

im guessing your profile wants the haste on it

[vivid vessel]

well the 15% gain is from changing talents

its at best 1.1% better than your currentyl equipped trinkets rn

which i have no idea what you have equipped

and ye maybe you need the haste

[willow portal]

is Leeching Poison a node that is good?

[simple dagger]

Oh shit duh lol ty

[rotund zodiac]

!gears

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel you streamin today?

Pas de repos meme le dimanche

[quartz magnet]

do i take loaded dice for 2 set fatebound or do i keep sleight?

[rotund zodiac]

LD

[hallow spoke]

Btw that's a question. When are u guys using stone idol, before KS?

[white marten]

Sim it for best answer tbh. See when the bot uses it in the breakdown

[gaunt phoenix]

before ks

[vivid vessel]

ye raid tonight

in like 2 h

we finishing hc last boss splits

then mythic

[jolly geyser]

gl in mythic

[hollow thunder]

as KIR Fatebound in M+, do i also cancel KS at 7 cp?

[white marten]

You think blizz is gonna be like, “Wow nobody played outlaw in RWF, lets buff it” 😏

[gaunt phoenix]

you can, it's about the same as letting it finish

[worthy thunder]

Zac, sorry bro, do you have a WA for your monks Chi and Energy at least or is that also a different tracker?

[vivid vessel]

i do but its wahtever some scuffed thing

just get one from wagio

[strong halo]

You’re supposed to use trickster in m+

[worthy thunder]

Ah alright, I was gonna ask for your export lmao

[ripe ibex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[strong halo]

I thought it was same thing to let ks go through or cancel

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[tight kernel]

FB in keys must be small pulls

I mean honestly it’s w/e if you’re not pulling on to boss and your pack pulls aren’t massive it’s w/e imo

Not like we are good with trickers anyways

[white marten]

Not if using 2+2 tbh

[strong halo]

I mean if you compare us to Assas were not but we’re not that bad

[white marten]

Trickster too much of a ST dps loss to be worth using in any scenario

[strong halo]

I’m a 4 set chad sorry I don’t do 2 piece gaming

[white marten]

Ah you lucky!

[strong halo]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Ellesus

Don’t hate the player hate the game

Haven’t done heroic yet either

[proven ocean]

sub is topping boss dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

2/2 trickster is awkward, would rather old 4pc trickster

[strong halo]

Yeah I thought that was the consensus

You basically stick to old 4 piece

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel liquid getting sub rogue

he just said just getting a sub rogue will overkill the boss by 2% for them

i knew sub is good no cappi

[jaunty moat]

outlaw is miserable on street or is it me ?

[quiet swallow]

It’s kinda cringe that max always waits till the last min to pull a rogue in.

[proven ocean]

max is shitting on echo/method

i wanna see his face after he streams when he loses

balls talk this time

it'll be pure content

[strong halo]

Who is the liquid rogue

[strong halo]

What he say?

[proven ocean]

hes talking about how he's expecting them to just yoink the boss because they have all the strats from us and they're suddenly 3 hours ahead and they copied all the markers except skull they just placed it on the other side

and hes just laughing

liquid losing would be diabolical 💀

[strong halo]

Only liquid thinks having a 24 head start is a disadvantage

[proven ocean]

ye and now hes laughing because echo is ahead and they didnt kill the boss

what the helly

things dont add up

[tight kernel]

I will disagree

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

[rotund zodiac]

this raid's last boss is stupid

you have to waste a vanish to stealth at the start of the fight

[jolly geyser]

cool fight thou

[long barn]

How can Sins dungeon numbers be so low on FUUs sheet. Is the APL just wrong?

[tight kernel]

You really don’t

[gaunt phoenix]

well, one thing is that sudden demise is not modeled in simc at all

[strong halo]

19 pulls less, lmao. I’d rather have 19 more pulls than watch someone do it 19 times

[gaunt phoenix]

but also, the numbers of dslice are not really important

[long barn]

They trying to keep the DPs on the low to avoid the nerf

[strong halo]

That’s crazy didn’t know that

[long barn]

Why are the numbers not important on DSlice

[gaunt phoenix]

it might work in dungeonroute where mobs actually have health bars

because it's a 6 minute scenario of boss+some trash, it's fairly arbitrary

if you were to run the exact events of dslice then perhaps sin would be lower

[sullen wyvern]

I got a question for my fellow outlaws connoseiurs: Considering the following will have more impact on the situation I'm about to present, how should I ideally handle whenever a pack dies and I am sitting at 4 charges of CdG going into stealth and opening with cracshot again, on which if I am unlucky with ace procs and don't have enough FTH procs to spend, meaning that i'll have to use SS during that window.

[long barn]

Is there a better way to sim that more accurately guides you on gear for Dungeons then?

High keys

[sullen wyvern]

This will have more impact once I get 4p I am assuming, so I wanna know how to handle this properly.

[gaunt phoenix]

no, for gear if something wins in dslice then it will likely win in "high keys"

[strong halo]

Sin sims lower in d slice. If you try sin you know it’s doing far more than outlaws

[rotund zodiac]

how? 🙁

[tight kernel]

Just natty opener without stealth

If you’re quick enough you get like 2 secs of subterfuge

[frigid shale]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[tight kernel]

Then slam macro

[frigid shale]

!shroud

[worldly shale]

how tf do i find out which addon/wa is causing lua error

got bug sack

[hidden sky]

Is outlaw pumping in keys

[proven ocean]

not much

needs buffs

it'll fall off later once ppl get their gear too

[dim rivet]

what causes me to be able to spam BtE during vanish cycle sometimes and others it's like it doesnt proc at all? just rng?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea it's just a proc, ace up your sleeve talent

[dense prism]

!rotation

[bronze wadi]

is it worth spending super charger on KS?

[strong halo]

When you get 4 procs omg I feel like a chad

[dim rivet]

yep, I was looking at rotation, just trying to figure out how other logs have way more BtE casts than me. I use on cd but doesnt feel like I get alot of free cp procs out of it

I find it really hard to grab the supercharged cp as well 😐 I use to be good at outlaw now I feel mid lol

[gaunt phoenix]

it's probably not the proc, everyone has the same ace luck

it's hard to say, everything about our rotation influences how often we can vanish/how efficient we are with combo points

[bronze wadi]

i miss old ER i am not a fan of SC

[gaunt phoenix]

which in the end affects how often we bte

[dim rivet]

that's fair

I miss SL greenskin build lol

[gaunt phoenix]

find it really hard to grab the supercharged cp

you don't grab the cps, supercharger just buffs your next finisher

like if you finish at 7cp then it becomes 10cp

[dim rivet]

ohhhhhhhh, reading isn't a strong suit lol ty

[gaunt phoenix]

yea it's fine

[real yew]

Guys, if I don't have Loaded Dice I roll 1/2 buffs, right? I need to wait till I have loaded again.

[gaunt phoenix]

you can technically roll over 1 buffs repeatedly, but 2 buffs wait for ld

[real yew]

thanks as always, Solo.

[balmy spade]

so if i have old 2 and new 2 set, did I go sleigth of hand instead of loaded dice or was it the other way around

@gaunt phoenix you allmighty guy surely have an answer

[gaunt phoenix]

You use loaded dice

and make sure you open with AR RTB instead of rtb first

[balmy spade]

aye, thanks

[main terrace]

lads does anyone have an outlaw POV for manaforge they recommend? I am 100% absolutely munting my own shit and need to see what people with working brains are upto

[bronze wadi]

whats the reason for taking Trickster for soul hunters instead of fatebound

i was looking at normal logs and the top guy looking like hes running the full m+ build for that fight

[gaunt phoenix]

it's like perma 3 target, trickster is just better

[vivid vessel]

is it even better with 4p

i havent simmed yet

but like

fb is 12% ahead

the fight is 2/3 targets

[gaunt phoenix]

last i checked fb is the same at 2 target and 6%? behind at 3t

[bronze wadi]

when i simmed my stuff, trickster was like 100K ahead of the FB cleave build

my stats are also cursed though

[willow portal]

why are you guys slacking

[tropic zephyr]

Kek, how much is that 1 parse tho

[willow portal]

i mean thats me isnt it

[tropic zephyr]

No it's the guy at 100

[willow portal]

surely that doesnt mean "1 other parse"

[tropic zephyr]

I think it does

You should be 100 if you're alone I guess

[willow portal]

[stiff vector]

you dont even wanna see my gear

[willow portal]

i only need gloves and chest

was giga unlucky in my 58 keys

[bronze wadi]

yall are getting drops?

[vivid vessel]

why is your ilvl green

are you a monk

[willow portal]

hm

i guess my elvui shadow and light is just setup like that

[stiff vector]

ye..I was very unlucky, with everything

[bronze wadi]

when we were doing raid last night i had like 4 vanish windows in a row without a single BTE proc i was very closing to just closing the game

the odds of that happening are fucked

[willow portal]

the lows of outlaw are really sad

[jolly geyser]

I got shit

[stiff vector]

thats not eventhat bad

[willow portal]

like i am playing bad and then getting bad rng is just fucked

[stiff vector]

I deadass had a key theo ther night where I thought my character was legit just bugged

I literally did not proc a single BS for legit like 5-6 min+

[tropic zephyr]

Man when I send GS with TB+AR but still loses time on the GCD because energy doesn't come back up

[stiff vector]

and felt like CTO was just rarely proccing for 5 min

[bronze wadi]

Isn't like 50% chance of procing with SC too

[willow portal]

Bistolshot?

[stiff vector]

broadsides

[bronze wadi]

Bussyshot

[willow portal]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-rock-the-rock-gif-6658795805713564985

[tropic zephyr]

[stiff vector]

legitimately just looked at my log over a 10 min span, and there was just like a massive gap of 5+ min where somehow I just didnt natty roll a single BS, or CTO BS

[bronze wadi]

just pick better dice to roll

buy a new set

[stiff vector]

was just sitting there spamming SS for most of the time asking what I did to deserve this

[dawn talon]

no if you're the only one you get 0

[willow portal]

just do a few /roll 1-6 until you get a 1 and then you are gucci

prerolling hidden technic

[rare rapids]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[balmy topaz]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[dusk jasper]

hi , for trickster the talent of deturn 1h is bugged ? i need to refresh all time n my tank in dj

[normal forge]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[stable kindle]

whats best belt effect in raid?

[gaunt phoenix]

charged crystal or critical chain should be basically the same

[stiff vector]

im almost lvl 3 delvers journey

only 1k away

take that lok

[tropic zephyr]

That's kinda dumb

I knew if you were two one gets 0 and the other 100

[bronze wadi]

whats the "oh" mean in sims

[brave lagoon]

offhand?

[gaunt phoenix]

offhand

[honest yarrow]

hey guys, offclassing outlaw rogue casually. definitely stil llearning but confident enough to take it into keys.

i'm feeling extremely hamstrung by my lack of haste, which results in me having very low AR uptime, usually only 70%. I feel like my damage on bosses is really bad for my ilvl (683 equipped). im usually 2-2.25m single target.

my haste is only 6-7%. I used to be geared for sin so i feel like i need a complete overhaul of basically all of my gear. I was lucky enough to get the bis raid mace from my TW chest, but will getting my haste to that 18-20% make the spec feel like it should?

[brave lagoon]

man I feel like I'm trolling group hard when I try keys with 2/2 set

[bronze wadi]

7% haste

you should totally run kir

if youre based

[honest yarrow]

i am running kir lol